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What Was Your Hope In The Mourning?

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April 4, 2025 5:51 pm

What Was Your Hope In The Mourning?

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April 4, 2025 5:51 pm

In the midst of unbelievable tragedies, God shows up and there is hope in the morning, especially when shared. Trisha's powerful story of molestation and forgiveness is a testament to the Lord's ability to redeem and transform even the darkest experiences into testimonies of hope.

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Welcome to Truth Talk Live. All right, let's talk. A daily program powered by the Truth Network. This is kind of a great thing, and I'll tell you why. Where pop culture, current events, and theology all come together.

Speak your mind. And now, here's today's Truth Talk Live host. You may not know this, but I do. That it is actually Hope in the Morning Eve. Which hopefully, isn't it Nick? It is Hope in the Morning Eve because tomorrow morning at 9.30 will be the premiere broadcast of our new radio show that we are so excited about here at the Truth Network. It is Hope in the Morning. And maybe you've heard of Emily before, or you've heard of her book. But the idea of Hope in the Morning is it's not spelled just M-O-U-R-N.

It's M-O-U-R-N. So we couldn't be more excited about that. Welcome, Emily. Thank you.

Thanks for having me. Yeah, this is going to be an exciting show. And of course, it is a live show, so we need you to call in. And here's the thing.

Her show, it's just so many amazing testimonies of people that have been through just brutal, brutal experiences losing family members, horrible diagnoses, and things that are essentially mourning. And we call this Hope. And we think we know where that comes from. And maybe that happened in your life, right? And when you testify to that, as the people do in Emily's book, and as the people do in her new radio show, right? It just kind of broadcasts Hope all over the place. And so this is your chance to call us and share your story. The way to do that is to, you know, if God's prompting you, you dial 866-348-7884-866-348.

And so, Emily, in your own words, what would you tell somebody that's like, well, tell me about this show that's coming on tomorrow morning at 930? Yeah, you know, this is a show, it covers the whole gamut of everything we mourn. Mourning is not just having to do with death.

It could be that you're mourning the health that you once had, as you mentioned before, or it could be a season of depression that you go through. As believers, we're not immune to suffering. In fact, we are promised suffering. And, you know, we go through anxiety and pain.

And depression. And we have stories of chronic illness and stories of people who have gone through cancer. Stories of people who have lost their loved ones.

People who have had tragic accidents and had to go through rehabilitation. So it really does span the whole gamut of our suffering, our human experience as Christians. And how do we take our human suffering and turn it into praise? And that's what you'll hear story after story. It's not only their weaknesses, but about their trials. But time and time again, you'll see this recurrent theme of their hope and their hope that's rooted in Christ alone.

Because this life, although we have suffering, we know that Jesus has conquered this life. That this is not all we have. And that we have a hope and a future that goes far beyond just what we have here. Yeah, it is amazing. I am so thrilled that we get a chance to share this with you guys.

You know, it's our listeners that make the radio station. And so we're honored to share these stories, these testimonies. And it's been such an adventure for you, right, Emily? I mean, it started in such a humble way. But it's just like, God wanted this. And it just has been a bonfire that's caught on fire.

And here we go. So share with listeners a little bit of how that transpired. Yeah, you know, this was not a ministry that I really sought out per se. About seven years ago, I had a good friend from college. And you know, we had kind of lost contact in person, but we had maintained contact via social media.

And her husband was killed just about five and a half weeks into their marriage by a drunk driver. And it was, you know, I didn't know what to do, like, how do you administer to somebody that you've only interacted with on social media for 10 years? Like, how do you just jump in to somebody's grief and make them feel seen and heard and cared for and just sit there with them in that suffering. And out of that was born a gift giving service that I used to do called Gifts of Hope. And it started with giving her a gift that was full of meaningful things that had to do with her husband and represented her husband and their life together. And we gave her a really big Christmas gift like that, that of things that maybe he would have blessed her with. So that's, you know, for those who don't know, Emily, she's extremely creative, extremely creative. And so, you know, it's cool that God gave you that gift.

So here, you know, it's more than tragic. How do you, you know, there's a certain amount of boldness to create those kind of gifts. I'm more than curious, what did you create for her that represented her husband from your perspective?

You know, we did a couple things. We gave her a really nice warm blanket because we knew she was going to be missing the comfort of his arms that Christmas. And we gave her a special locket that was filled with different charms that represented different milestones throughout their relationship and throughout his life. And then I had a bunch of women in our church, people that didn't even know her, which I will caveat for just a moment to say how incredible that she is now a member of our church.

She lived in California and God has brought her to North Carolina. But many of the women in our church, including some people that had been widows themselves, wrote cards to her so that she would have those to read throughout, you know, throughout her journey. Because there are days that that are extremely painful and days that maybe are a little bit less painful. But on those days that are extremely painful, having a letter that you can open of someone just encouraging you and being your strength when you're at your weakest is so, it's like a breath of fresh air, you know, and you need that. And so those were some of the meaningful things that we did to encourage her during that time.

And once again, you know, God steps in and goes, wow, I guess, you know, like Eric Little in Chariots of Fire, you could feel God's pleasure as you were doing this and it was like, what's next, God? Yeah, you know, it's very, very neat the way that God moved everything because I was writing poetry for those gifts because one of the things that I learned is that so many people, they don't know what to say when somebody loses a loved one. And so I thought, you know, if I can write this poetry and be sort of a bridge for them, so that all they have to do is sign their name, and here's something meaningful that they can give that says what they want to say, but perhaps don't know how. I heard a lot of feedback about how much that meant to people, the different poems, and I would hear people's stories come to me time and time again. And as I heard those, a lot of people were sharing with me the painful things that had been said to them, well intentioned things, but many of them said by people within the church. And I just kind of had this aha moment like, oh my goodness, I wish people could hear these testimonies, that they could walk a mile in their shoes and that they could grow in empathy a little bit, and that we as believers especially would know what is helpful and what is hurtful, even as believers, you know?

Right, and oh my goodness, these poems. In some of the episodes coming up that you'll hear at 930 Saturday mornings, you'll get a chance to hear them, and the first time I heard one I was like, oh my goodness, so much good stuff. But part of the good stuff is sitting inside of you waiting to be dialed at 866-348-7884. What was your hope in the morning?

We would love to hear from you, 866-348-7884. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. Today, as I talked about, it is actually Hope in the Morning Eve. I love that terminology anyway, like Christmas Eve, because tomorrow morning at 930 is our initial episode, just exciting as I could be, and believe me, there were a lot of tears shed in the studio on the initial episode of Hope in the Morning. I think that you'll be more than thrilled with how God shows up through morning in so many different ways, and we know that everybody has their stories of something that God taught them through Hope in the Morning, and we would love to hear yours really would, and you can call us.

It would mean so much to us and to everybody that listens, believe me, 866-348-7884, and as Emily and I were talking about at the break, it's actually therapeutic for you. As I tell my stories, it's always like, oh, look how good God was through that. So, Emily, we're talking about the amazing poetry God gave her, the gift of creative gift to be able to write, and so now you guys have a newsletter that goes out, and if you subscribe, you get fresh stuff, and so share a little bit about this poem that you're going to read and how it came to be. So this poem is called For He Is, and it's the featured poem in our newsletter this month for April, because Hope in the Morning is a nonprofit, and so you can sign up to read our newsletter to see what the upcoming episodes are going to be for that month, and along with that, you get an exclusive poem that is not found in the book Hope in the Morning, and I just give a little sentence of why, like what inspired me to write that poem.

So this one is called For He Is, and I was sharing with Robbie at the break that I wrote this. I lost my baby. I was pregnant and lost our little boy and my dad within 18 days of each other this past October. You know, then we went on to lose another baby just a couple months after that, and you know, as I was lying in bed really struggling with giving God glory for these things, because they're hard. You know, when you're in the midst of grief, that's not always our natural reaction as believers. I mean, you see it all throughout the Psalms.

That is not always our natural go-to reaction. We suffer and we struggle with giving praise in those moments, and so the Lord just really put it on my heart that I need to worship Him and glorify Him when I'm glad and when I'm grieving, and so that's where this was born from. So this is called For He Is. I will give Him glory in gladness and glory in grief. I will not allow sorrow to come as a thief, for He is the source of my joy. I will declare His goodness when the day is bright and declare it still more in the darkest night, for He is the light of my soul. I will rest in the calm and be at peace in the storm. I will not fight the hand of the Maker as He molds my heart in new form, for He is good. I will praise Him in harvest and worship through weeping, with hands held wide open, content in His keeping, for He is kind.

I will trust when nothing seems to make sense and always be ready to make a defense for the hope I have in Christ, for He is my salvation. Wow. That's always, wow. I mean, and, you know, the other day we were doing an episode with a man who lost his wife, you know, and it was during that one that you read that poem, and I could just see how it resonated with him. It was a different poem than what you just read, but it's miraculous, you know, like the hymn, It's Well With My Soul, right? A lot of people know the background to that, that that's a poem that was written out of tremendous suffering, but it brings some sense of, like, God is going to be there no matter what in the world, right?

If you could lose, I guess he lost four daughters and a son earlier than that, yeah. Right, all at the same time in the ocean, and then wrote that, but it's the same kind of thing from my standpoint, like, really? You wrote that, and, you know, the prose of it and the rhymes, you know, it just makes it, it's just a sweet thing. And so, you know, as you're listening, what comes to your mind, but also you might be thinking, gee, I need to get on this newsletter, maybe I need to get the book Hope in the Morning, and so you guys have a website, which would probably be good that we give that information, because people need these resources.

Yeah, it's very simple, it's Hopeinthemorning.org, and you can get all kinds of resources, you can listen to the hymns that are in the book. With the book, there's 21 different stories, different testimonies of some sort of tragedy and the hope they found in Christ through that, and then printed afterwards is a hymn and an original poem and a scripture. But at the conclusion of each of their stories, which is so valuable, is they answer five poignant questions, and one of those is, what should you not say to someone in a similar circumstance?

And the thing that is so incredibly powerful about that is it gives us these tools. We are able to walk for a full chapter in their shoes, in places where your friends might not take you in conversation during their grief. You walk into that ultrasound room where there's no heartbeat. You walk into that hospital room where they're saying their final goodbyes.

You walk into that doctor's office where they're being diagnosed with the unimaginable places that we don't normally get invited to. But you are in these stories, and then you hear from their own perspective what was helpful and what was hurtful, along with what scripture did they cling to, what hymns. Yeah, that's one of my favorites, because, you know, anybody that is in the midst of all that is hungry for truth.

Like, what can you hang onto, because there's nothing to hold onto. And the scripture is beautiful, and so with each of these stories and the ongoing stories that you're printing through your newsletter, and now the stories on the radio, scripture is a big, huge part of that. Yeah. And, you know, how precious to know some of the things that might be helpful for that person you know that's going through that.

They just got—their child was diagnosed with cancer. Like, what in the world? You know, what do you say to that? And again, you don't want to make these mistakes like you're talking about things not to say, but, oh, to be able to offer somebody a piece of scripture. Yeah. You know, being a pastor, I can tell you that, you know, I'm often praying, God, give me something. Yeah. And He'll give me a piece of scripture, and I can see the joy that comes from somebody having something to hang onto.

Yeah. Well, and, you know, one of the most painful things is when you don't say anything at all, especially in the loss of a loved one or even in miscarriage. If you say nothing at all, it's like you're minimizing their loss, and so often people don't say anything because they're like, oh, I don't want to say the wrong thing, so they just don't say anything at all. And that's just as painful, if not more so, but this kind of gives you almost a cheat sheet to go through their stories and say, okay, you know, I actually have to tell you something kind of funny. I had a friend who happens to be our first guest on the show tomorrow, and she told me that when I lost my dad and I lost my baby, she's like, I went and I researched your book of how I could minister to you.

And, you know, here it's like just the way that the Lord brings things full circle, you know, and how we do get to have an insight into what is helpful in those moments. So what would you say? Just give them one thing. Don't say this. You don't say it. So one of the biggest things is don't say, let me know if you need anything. It's one of the worst things you can say.

We've all done it, you know, but the thing is, is that it not only puts the burden on the grieving person to figure out what they need, but then they already feel kind of burdensome because a lot of people do step in and help and they feel like, oh, I don't want to ask for something. But when you just step up and you say, hey, I'd like to take your kids to the park. Is Tuesday or Wednesday better? I'd like to bring you a meal. Can I come on Thursday? Would you like me to ring your doorbell or you want me to leave it on the doorstep?

Do you have any allergies? You know, sending them a text message. That was one of the things that meant a lot to my mom when my dad was dying is she had one pastor friend who every day faithfully texted her. And all it said is, I'm praying for you today. That's it.

But it meant so much to her because it was a faithful thing that he did every day. So, yeah, I would say instead of saying, let me know if you need anything, step in and take action. So you get the things not to say, well, we'll go through that list when we come back. For a lot of you, for some of you are going to lose this, you're going to get some other programming. But you can go back and listen to the podcast or you can check it all out on Facebook. It's all recorded and will be there today as well as YouTube and LinkedIn.

I think all those places on my Facebook page. But we'll be back with a whole lot more hope in the morning and hopefully your calls. 866-348-7884. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. As we talked about today is Hope in the Morning Eve. That meaning tomorrow morning is our first inaugural show of radio broadcast of Hope in the Morning.

It's going to be wonderful. And again, it comes on at 930. Again, there's a Hope in the Morning website. It's just HopeintheMorning.org, right?

And, you know, what was your hope in the morning is the question that we posed to kind of get an idea how you walk through those stories. And, you know, we're so blessed. We have Trish from Ohio.

And Trisha, you're on Truth Talk Live. We would love to hear your story. My story actually from start to end just finished. And so when I was a very young girl, I was molested by a relative and just kind of put it away for a long time and went through life very well.

And about five years ago, all of a sudden, I think the research through all of it. Trisha, you're still with us? Yes. Yeah, you faded out for a second. We got your back good.

Okay. So I went through this grief process where I'm just going to be very honest here. My first prayer went, you know, God just let him die and go to hell and burn. And then I went, you know, that prayer went for quite a long time because I was very upset because I knew that this had not stopped for like years and that this had been continuing. So through that year, then I went from God to Jesus. And then I went to Lord. And when I finally got to this point between Jesus, the same Jesus, the Lord, I thank being him for that trial, even though I was, you know, crying through it all. And I was there. I started thanking him.

So to fast forward all of this, last year he passed away, but he passed away. The Lord put it on my heart to forgive him. And so I actually was able to be there on his deathbed and to let him know that I had completely forgiven him.

And it's just completely wiped away. I have no animosity, no hatred, no anger, nothing. The Lord cleaned it all up. But through all of that too, all those years, I did not have any kind of trauma. The Lord covered all of that for me and took that hardship and everything. But then when it was the perfect time, he brought it all up to the surface so that I only had really like one year of really hard grieving, bitterness, hatred. And then he just brought me all the way through it and the complete forgiveness. But the real turning point came in that is when I started to say thank you. Thank you for letting this happen even because now I know how to help people. Thank you for this anger because it's coming out and I'm not keeping it. Everything that was negative, I thanked him for it and turned it positive.

And so now through all of that, it's just gone. But the thank you is what helped. And now I've been able to help other people in the last, it's not even a year that he passed away. And the Lord has opened a door for me through not a lot, it's not like I'm counseling people, but I'm able to say, you're going to get through this.

I don't know when, but you're going to get through it. And the biggest thing is to say, even through tears and bitterness and hatred, to thank the Father. Because if nothing else, you can say, thank you for being here for me.

Thank you for sustaining me. But the thank you is what worked for me. I think that's such a beautiful testimony because it shows, again, it shows the contrast between what the Lord can do in the heart of a believer versus an unbeliever. Because he could work through you to give him glory in all things. And the Lord knows every emotion you're having. And that's one of the things that on Hope in the Morning that we really want to dive into is the fact that just because we are believers doesn't mean we are void of emotion. You know, you're going to have moments of anger and bitterness. How do we deal with those?

It sounds like you dealt with it in such a God honoring way, ultimately, is that you brought it before the Lord and you said, Lord, I don't know what to do with these big emotions. And, you know, the Lord is able to redeem everything. That's what he is. He is the redeemer. And so often you hear people say, well, why do bad things happen to good people? And why, if God was so good, why doesn't he do something about it?

Well, he did. He did that through Jesus on the cross. He sees our suffering and he acknowledges that. And he doesn't desire that anybody should suffer. But he certainly desires that we would do exactly as you did, Tricia, and take all of your emotions to the Lord and say, I can't do this on my own.

I don't know what to do with these big emotions. And, you know, Joni Eareckson Tada says that God allows that which he hates in order to accomplish that which he loves. And I think you're walking testimony about that the Lord allowed that which he hated to accomplish something so rich and godly and beautiful in you so that you would seek out the suffering and meet them where they're at and invite them to lay it down at the feet of Jesus.

Yeah, and to jump in here, Tricia, and I know this may not be the easiest question to answer, but I know probably many of the listeners are thinking the same thing I am. As you were at his deathbed, and obviously he sees God in your eyes as you're able to forgive him, do you feel like he had given his heart to Christ, that he was able to actually be repentant at all? Did you have a sense of that? He couldn't talk. He didn't know I was in the room right away. But then, whenever I spoke, there was a deep groaning that came out. Again, there was another groaning, and it was almost like the Lord was saying to me, this is his apology. This is his apology. And I know that I was working from and saying, make sure that he has done a confession.

And so I jumped through all these hoops through somebody else that had access all the time, and they were. And I said, probably, and I kept checking, did he do this? Did he do it?

And they said, yes, he did. So I think the final closing point was, for me, I didn't know if I was going to say anything. It really showed up just to see how I would react.

And it was kind of a double check on my heart to make sure that my heart was true. And there was nothing left in there. No anger, no bitterness, nothing. And when I went, I had a complete calm and peace.

And everything was completely gone. And then to hear that deep groaning, it was almost like the Lord gave me an audible voice of this apology. And so it's a beautiful story, because from the time I was very little, even the Lord protected and shielded me from having any of those negative connotations that can come along with those things. I was never afraid of men. I was never afraid of dating. I was never afraid of any of that at all. Now, I did have some things that were difficult. You know, like there were certain times I just had to have my beds and door locked, or, you know, make sure the house door is locked.

There's some things that are even still there now. But I'm thinking, it's fine. These are done because of that. It's just a comfort for me. And that means that you're not through it.

And I said, no, that's not true. So it's somewhat good that the Lord has done all these years. You know, it's, gosh, 50 years. Really? 50?

Yeah, 50. I can relate to that comment. Wow. Yeah, so it's, you know, all that. But yeah, it's wonderful how, when you go through these things, that even without being aware of it, even asking for it, that the Lord just stepped in and saw exactly what I was going to need all those years, and protected me, and just at the perfect time resurfaced it, so that all those things that were pent up stuck.

They're somewhere that they would come out within a year. Trisha, I hate we got to go to a break. Would you, for a couple of reasons, I'd really like you to stay on with us. Can you do that? I can. That's not a problem. Good, good. Well, hang on. And in the meantime, if you've got a story and you're thinking you need to call, well, God's put it on your heart for a reason.

866-348-7884. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com.

Welcome. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. And today, as we've talked about, is Hope in the Morning Eve, as tomorrow morning, the inaugural show of Hope in the Morning comes on at 930. And the idea is, oh my goodness, in the midst of unbelievable tragedies, you know, God shows up and there is hope in the morning, especially when you share it. Because, you know, if God of all comfort comforts us, that we could comfort others with the comfort we are comforted with, right? That's 1 Corinthians, I mean, 2 Corinthians chapter 1.

And Trisha, I was thinking that. Your story is so powerful. Have you written it? No, but this is a confirmation that I need to because I've been said that I need to write this story several times and I've gone to the Lord and I don't know how to start.

I don't know what to do because my whole, there is so much that besides this one piece, if I would tell you now, I'd be on the phone for a week. But there's just so many footprints of God over my entire life and this is just one section of it. So it's really an amazing journey that I've been on throughout my whole life. Well Trisha, on HopeintheMorning.org, we actually feature a story per month and I would love to invite you to be one of our featured stories. And you're welcome to reach out to me at my email address is Emily at HopeintheMorning.com. And if you reach out to me, I can help walk you through kind of what that entails of writing out your story. But, you know, time and time again, I hear how not only is writing someone's story very therapeutic and healing for them, but also it's such a powerful tool for other people because in reading your story and your testimony of hope, they can see how the circumstances they find themselves in are not hopeless when they place it in the hands of Christ. So if you're interested in writing your story, I would love to host it on our domain. Oh okay, that would be wonderful because I've been praying about it. I'm like, Father, you have to open the door or something because I just really don't know how to even get started.

And I felt like at one point it was being almost disobedient. But he knows my heart and I said, I just don't even know how to start. Yeah, well we can, you know, in a minute when we let you go, I'll have Nick get your phone number and, you know, we'll have a more direct contact.

We'll make sure that we get with you. You know, the thing that's so important, I think, about your story, Tricia and Emily and I were talking about at the break. Unfortunately, and it's a tragedy, but the longer I'm in ministry and as a pastor and whatever, your story is unbelievably common. That doesn't mean that it's not horrible. It just means that unfortunately there are so many people out there that had this happen. But it's a secret.

You know what I'm saying? They've never gotten it out where they could deal with it. They've never gotten it out and talked about it with God or with anybody else for that matter. And so as you are as courageous as you were today to call and to share this, you see, and why I think it's so critical your story gets out there, it gives a lot of the people that are hiding this, and men as much as women. It's unbelievable how many men have been molested by relatives especially and people in the church.

And then they're hiding it. And unfortunately for a lot of us, we're as sick as our secrets. And as we get that out in the light of Christ, it can be dealt with and those kind of things. And so I would just urge you and pray that – in fact, let's pray. Best thing I can think of. Oh Lord, thank you, Patricia. Wow, what courage she had to call today. And I thank you for the amazing – the way that you walked her through that and you protected her through it. And Lord, essentially all our stories are your story. And so I pray that you would give her the way to start this, the way to follow through with it. I pray that even many listening today that maybe have something along these lines would take the cue from Tricia and have the courage to get it out in the light, at least to talk to you about it, Lord, to be able to get the healing that comes on the other side that they can truly see how good you are. Lord, I thank you again for this chance to be with her today and for everybody listening. In Jesus' name I pray.

Amen. One of the things I wanted to mention too, Robbie, is that in things, especially amongst believers, I think that topics like addiction, depression, abuse, those become sort of taboo topics. And I think that Satan really uses our shame to make us feel – he whispers to our hearts that, oh, no one's going to want to hear this. Just think what they're going to think about you if they hear this. You don't want them to know that part.

You can just keep that private. But what that does is that isolates us, for one thing. And there's so much healing that we get from confessing things to one another. And fellow believers, that's part of the mission even of Hope in the Morning, is how do we carry one another's burdens? And the reality is that we can't carry something we don't know. And that doesn't mean that we share things in a gossipy way. It means that we share things so that the devil doesn't have a foothold in our life, that he can't whisper these lies to our heart. But instead, we go to our fellow brothers and sisters and we say, hey, this happened to me, or this is the valley that I'm in right now, whether, again, anxiety, depression, addiction, so many things that people are afraid to talk about that are realities. They're struggles that we have in our flesh. And sometimes we need one another to come alongside us and say, you know what? I'm here.

I'm going to pray faithfully for you. I can be the person that you can confide in openly. And sometimes we need one another to hold up our weary arms when we are so heavy hearted.

It's like Moses that was Aaron to uphold his heavy arms. And we need that. But we need people like you, Tricia, that are willing to vulnerably share your stories, really for the sanctification of other people as well. It's huge.

It is. So we're going to put you on hold, Tricia, if that's okay. Thank you again. It's been such a blessing to talk with you.

Welcome. And Nick will get your information and we will certainly be in touch. And so for those of you listening, obviously you've got a couple more minutes, you know. And the number to call in is 866-348-7884, 866-348-7884.

And I would also point out that a lot of times the abusers, they need to get it out, right? They're struggling, you know, all that. There's two sides of each one of these equations and Satan is holding everybody captive, right? And you think you're the only one.

You're not. Yeah. And God has got a purpose for everything that's going on and to come clean? Oh, man.

Yeah. I mean, to think that some people think, oh, my sin is so egregious that I could never confess these things. But that's exactly why Christ died, is not for the holy. He didn't die for those that have already attained godliness.

He died for those of us that have fallen short of the glory of God, which is every one of us. And the idea of mourning our own sin, I mean, it's some of the most grievous mourning I can think of. It's the hardest person to forgive is often me, right? And so the whole Christian experience, to some extent, is mourning our own sin.

Absolutely. That's what repentance is, agreeing with Jesus, just how atrocious our sin is, but then welcoming his beautiful gift of salvation. And that's how we do have hope in these seasons of mourning. And again, like we mentioned, mourning can take on so many different faces. And so that is what we want to discuss in very open dialogue, is how is Christ our hope in these seasons of mourning?

And it's through repentance and through confession and through openly talking about our struggles and our sufferings and our trials and openly talking about what emotions we felt honestly before the Lord and before one another and helping give one another an insight and a bag of tools to walk through their seasons of suffering. Right. And that's one of the beautiful things, again, that each of those stories has. The Scripture, they have the hymn, and there's painting too in there as well.

So there's no paintings in this one. We may have that in the next volume that we are in the process of working on. Okay.

Yeah. But yeah, you know, I mean, basically we've turned the book into a broadcast. And so you have all these various testimonies in the book, but the broadcast will be much more broad. And, you know, diving into some topics that we haven't even touched on yet in that book, that we are planning on touching on in the second volume. But you'll just hear a wide gamut of people's testimonies.

And I really truly believe that the Lord will not only use it to encourage the hearts of those that are already believers, but show the hope, the only place we do have hope, and evangelize the lost because we all hurt. We all suffer in this world. And that's something we all have in common. But we all need Christ.

Right. And as people see, watch, you know, somebody like Trish go through what she, you know, then like there's really something different. What is it that gives that person that strength to be able to do that? And your life is a testimony, believe me.

People are watching. They know where you stand. And a lot of times there's no doubt in my mind that we're given things for Satan to become a spectacle of how God's going to deal with them as he tried to take you out. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I mean, that's what this is all about is like, how do we respond differently? And there is a stark difference between how the world responds to grief and suffering and how believers respond. And it's because we know we have that hope. We know we have that future. And, you know, going back to the very beginning of what we said is that this life is not all we have. We have something so far greater than that that we can actually see how the Lord in his beautiful mercy takes our sorrows and transforms them into such a beautiful testimony. And, you know, that's where we got our tagline of transforming tragedies and tears into testimonies of hope. That's exactly what the Lord is doing.

Yeah. And it's really fun. Again, we're honored, honored to have this new show. It comes on 930 this Saturday and will be on every Saturday, 930, right before the Christian car guy, I might add. So I love it. I love that that's happening. And so tune in tomorrow morning, 930, for that show, Hope in the Morning.

Of course, hopeinthemorning.org is all these resources, the books, et cetera, is all there. You need to tell somebody about it. We'll be back next week. Thanks for joining us.

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