Trust In God's Sovereignty

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I hope you're doing well. 866-34-TRUTH, 866-348-7884. If you want to be on the program, I am still in Aurora, Colorado, which we are often on the news here. I turn it on every day and I see all kinds of exciting things happening in Aurora with ice. I think they've got a lot of snow in Colorado, so why not have ice?

No, that's what they're saying. So it's a little bit disconcerting to see on the news where I am staying, but I've been here for two months now with my wife, who is dealing with quite a few health issues. Since last we talked, she's actually had two additional operations. We're just having a difficult time getting this healing, and I wanted to share something with you just to start off.

Thank you for indulging me on this, but it's ever-present in my mind because this is what I'm living with her right now. And for those of you who've never been on this program before, my wife had a car wreck back in 1983, and it's been a difficult journey for her. In fact, I was talking to a surgeon last night who had to come up and MacGyver something for her. Something wasn't working on a vacuum pump for a wound that needed to heal, and he said, you know, I'm not understanding why this is happening with her.

This is a new one for us. And I told him, I said, the first time I heard that from a surgeon was in the Reagan administration, so that's how long we've been doing this. So she's going to be okay. It's a real booger to get these things to heal on her, and last Thursday she went in for her 91st operation. Now, she had her 92nd on Monday unexpectedly, but we had to get it.

I was in pre-op, and this is what I wanted to share with you. I was in pre-op with her, and I was praying with her, and I just kind of got a bit reflective on this, and I was praying. I said, Lord, 91 is too much.

It's too much. And I struggled through my prayer and finished my prayer, and she looked up at me from her bed just before going into surgery. Again, her 91st surgery in her lifetime. And she said, it's not too much. This is what He says is necessary. And by He, she's not referring to her surgeon. She's referring to her Savior.

And it takes what it takes. And we either trust Him or we don't. We either believe what we say we do or we don't, that He's sovereign in this.

If He's Lord at all, then He's Lord of all. It's pretty stunning to hear someone say that in the context of what she's saying. And so I ask you, I say, what are your thoughts on that? Is that something that you've wrestled with? You know, Lord, it's too much. It's not fair. I don't like this.

And then to hear that kind of response from this extraordinary person to say to me, and Gracie truly is the most extraordinary human being I've ever known. And she said, no, we either believe this or we don't. We either believe we belong to Him and not a hair falls from our head that He is not aware of. Or we don't.

And if we do, then what would that look like? So I ask you, is that question, do you believe this? And if so, does that reflect in all that you do and say? And I'm not here to castigate you if you don't.

I mean, I'm not here to castigate you if you struggle in that area, because I struggled with that. But I think that is the goal that Scripture lays out for us, that we would trust Him. And there are a lot of uncertainties in this world. I mean, in fact, remember during COVID when, excuse me, everybody would say during these uncertain times, when have they ever been certain?

I mean, you know, let's just be blunt about it. When have times ever been certain? And in fact, the only time that that is reflected in Scripture where somebody kind of feels like everything is good and certain is when Jesus refers to that guy that said, you know, life is good. Eat, drink, and be married. You know, my barns are filled.

It's all good during these certain times. And that night said, your soul is required. You know, and so as Christians, we have the map laid out for us of how we are to respond to these things, which is to trust in the Lord with all our own understanding.

But in all our ways, acknowledge Him and He will direct our paths. And I saw that modeled for me by my wife going in for her 91st operation. And I was really floored. And I took her rebuke well. And I chewed on that the whole time she was in surgery when she came out. The first thing I said to her when she came out of surgery, I went back to the recovery room to talk with her, and I said, you know, I really blew it. You were absolutely right to call me on that.

And I had to eat my words a bit. And she's not there slapping me around about it because I think that's the human condition. That's what we all deal with. And by the way, just on a separate note, well, a related note actually, when they took her into surgery, they had, you know, we think of surgery as this, if we're not in the medical world, we think of this as the darkest. And like we see sometimes on television, but, you know, to these surgeons and all these techs, this is their job. They do this all the time. They're not all that worked up about it like we are.

It's not their first time. And so I, and she went in there and they play music, you know, and they said, is there anything you want to be listening to as we get ready for this? And she said, well, put on my music. They said, what do you mean? She said, well, I have songs out there.

You see me? She said, and they said, you know, her sister's like on Pandora and Spotify and so forth. She said, yeah, got a channel out there. Go out there and listen to it. And so they were streaming while she was having surgery in the OR, all the nurses and the surgeon over listening to her music. And I thought that was really quite kind of quite cool because I know her music and I know what her music states.

She's got a new song that's just cover of Kirk Franklin's tune. My life is in your hands. You don't have to worry and don't you be afraid. Joy comes in the morning. Troubles.

They don't last always. There's a friend named Jesus. And you know, I know that I can make it. I know that I can stand. And that's something for a woman who has two prosthetic legs.

Ninety one's not too many. It's just what he feels like is necessary is what she told me. And she believes it and she lives it. And that is Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberg.

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And to follow back up what we were talking about on the last block and then I heard John MacArthur during the break talk about rejoice that you found worthy to suffer for him. I'm a big subscriber to the prosperity gospel. Just not the prosperity gospel that you're hearing on a lot of Christian TV and in some of our pulpits across the country. The prosperity is that we have already gotten everything we need in Christ.

Everything. And so therefore, when we grab a hold of that, that's what allows a statement like for my wife when she says before her 91st surgery, no, it's what he thinks is necessary. And I trust him.

It's okay. And there's a Joni Eareckson Tada made in her book When God Weeps. By the way, it's a very good book and I would recommend reading it. And she said in there, Steve Estes, and she wrote that together, I think, and there's a statement she says in there that God allows what he hates to achieve what he loves. One theologian said he uses sin sinlessly.

And he allows what he hates to achieve what he loves. And so, on Monday, when Gracie came back from her 92nd surgery, young CNA, she was in another part of the floor, but she was finishing work and she came by to see Gracie. She just wanted to talk to her.

And get the picture here. Gracie just got back up to the room. She just had surgery. And this young lady was in there just being with her.

How are you doing? And she said, well, she's got some family problems at home and some serious problems. And Gracie took her hand and she looked up at her and she said, you know, I just came back from my 92nd surgery.

And the same Lord that sustains me will sustain you. And then she added this. And I took a picture of her together. Gracie took her hand from her hospital bed.

After her 92nd surgery, I want you to get this picture. And Gracie said, to achieve what he loves. And I texted that to Johnny with the picture.

And Johnny was just floored. She's been checking on Gracie every day and she's been so sweet to do that. And, you know, Johnny and Gracie have a unique wall that the two of them can understand more than most can. Between the two of them, they've got now over 100 years of disability. And they have been through such difficult things together.

Separately and together. They've done a couple of duets together that are worthy of hearing. I mentioned Gracie's music on her channel.

So I don't know what all was playing on the rotation in surgery. But I'm hoping that one of them was the duet she and Johnny did of Through It All. Which you can go out and listen to. It's all on her website, PeterRosenberger.com.

Under the resources section at the top, click down the music and you can just see it. But she and Johnny did a duet of Through It All. Andrae Crouch's Through It All that you've got to hear. I mean, you've just got to hear this.

And understand who's singing this. These two women. One of them who's been a quadriplegic since 1967.

Linda Johnson was president. And she's gone through several rounds of breast cancer. And lives with all kinds of things. And then the other one who's been hurt since 1983.

Has had 92 surgeries, both of her legs amputated. And they're singing Through It All. I've learned to trust in Jesus. Because they understand the true prosperity gospel.

Not this name and claim it, blab it and grab it stuff you hear all over the place. I'm talking about the stuff where you lay a hold of Christ. And you understand the riches that are in Christ.

That belong to us now. As believers. Because He says we are His.

And I love that and I thought, and it really challenged me. Because again, Christian, what do you believe? Do we really believe this or not? Or are we just virtue signaling to people? Are we just cosplaying this?

Or do we understand does this lay a hold of us? Paul and Silas in prison. In prison. After being beaten.

Around midnight. Gracie wasn't singing hymns in surgery. Because she was under anesthesia. But she was singing to herself in surgery.

Because they were listening to her music while they operated on her. I think that's extraordinary. And what a testimony. What a witness. And then here she comes in and she's ministering from a sickbed.

To a woman who, Gracie's just trying to recover from surgery. And I think the lesson learned, and I've had many experiences like that here since I've been here. Going over to the hospital back and forth. I just stay across the street in an extended care hotel.

And I go back and forth across the street. How many people who are going through very difficult things. And I realize that we are not off duty from ministering.

You're tracking with me? When do we get the clock out from sharing the gospel? When do we get on vacation from reflecting Christ to people who are suffering? When do you get to have a sick day from sharing the gospel?

We don't, do we? And I saw that with Gracie. From her hospital bed.

After her surgery. And she is passing on things that she learned from her dear friend Johnny. God allows what He hates to achieve what He loves. And we don't have to look any further than the cross to see that. And I thought, this is the crux of our faith. To have substance. To have reality piercing through all of this pretend stuff that we have. That somehow, you know, we're just going to be happy, happy, happy all the time, time, time. Because Jesus, Jesus, Jesus did this, this, this. Do you ever get tired of hearing that kind of stuff? I do.

I want to hear something even greater. That's why I love that hymn, Beneath the Cross of Jesus. There's a great line in there. I don't know if you know that hymn or not. It's a great hymn.

I don't have the caregiver keyboard here with me, otherwise I'd play it for you. But the author says, And from my smitten heart with tears, Two wonders, I confess, the wonders of redeeming love and my unworthiness. Are we in wonder about what God has done? Fanny Crosby said, Oh, give him the glory, great things he has done.

Are we still just making sure God is at our beck and call to make us happy? I watched a woman challenge me to say, no, that's not how to pray, Peter. He knows it's okay. Ninety-one is not too many.

Ninety-two is not too many. And I watched her caring for a woman who's going through a rough time from her hospital bed. And I thought, that's the prosperity gospel. It's reality of understanding that the riches of Christ all belong to us. That is Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger. PeterRosenberger.com. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is Peter Rosenberger. Very glad to be with you right now if you want to be a part of the program. 866-348-7884. We're going to get to the phone lines here in just a moment. Go out to the website, PeterRosenberger.com. You can hear all that music that I've been telling you about.

It's under the resources section. Look around and then check out what we're doing at Standing with Hope. It was 20 years ago this week when we put the first prosthetic limb on a patient over in West Africa. We've been doing this now for 20 years. And it was such an exceptional, extraordinary time.

This was Gracie's vision after giving up her legs. And we have two program outreaches at Standing with Hope. One is for the prosthetic limb outreach and the other is for the family caregiver, which is on this network every week. I think it comes on every Saturday afternoon here on this network.

You can check on the truthnetwork.com. And it's for the wounded and those who care for them. And we'd love your help. If you like what you hear, if you like what you see, would you help us do more? We've got a campaign this year, 25 and 25. If you want to be a part of this every month, we would welcome the help.

We're just a mom and pop, mostly pop right now. Mom is doing her thing. And she is doing what she was built to do, which is to minister to people and tell them about Jesus, even from her sickness. Paul said, you know, I will boast all the more gladly my weakness so that Christ's power may rest upon me. And she lives that every single day. I watched her take that woman's hand. It was exceptional when she told that woman about Jesus from her hospital bed after her 90-second surgery.

So it's committed for the wounded and those who care for them. And so we would welcome your help. You can see all of that at my website, PeterRosenberger.com. Sign up for our e-letter because we've got a brand-new song of hers that's going to be released this – well, we do one every month. We feature a song every month, and you'll know about it. We don't send out a ton of emails. We really don't.

Again, mom and pop. But we do have a blog post of hers, a blog post of mine, a patient of the month. By the way, the patient of the month is named Baba, and you'll love seeing his picture.

Gracie has a blog post she's been doing on pain, on dealing with it, and I think you'll find it incredibly meaningful to see all of that at my website. So please take advantage of it. Let's go to Lewis in Spartanburg, South Carolina. I am from the upstate of South Carolina. So, Lewis, it's a pleasure to talk to a fellow Carolinian. How are you doing? Hey, how's it going, Peter? Thanks for having me. Well, listen, it's going.

Glad to have you here, and how are things? Have you got a lot of pollen on the ground yet in Spartanburg? Yeah, lots of pollen, a few wildfires to the north of here going on, too. I saw that.

I remember the folks up there from all the downed trees. Yeah, a little bit of a situation up there, but, you know, God's in control of that, too. He is, and if he's Lord at all, he's Lord of all, and I hate these things. I hate seeing these things.

I don't like going through these things. Gracie certainly doesn't with what she goes through, but we have learned over the years. Again, Christian, what do you believe? But tell me what is on your mind today, Lewis. Well, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you so much for sharing your wife's just powerful testimony there. As a young Christian, or I like to think of myself as young, you know, late 20s, but, you know.

Hey, that's young, Lewis. But I just, it's very, it's very inspiring, it's very encouraging to hear, you know, especially Christians, you know, later on in life who are still clinging to Jesus and just the wonderful work that he does. But it's really got me to thinking, and, you know, so much of the most defining moments of life that, you know, that people share are usually just the bitter times, the tough times. And it seems like for almost every example, you talk about, you know, Paul in prison, and you talk about, you know, the examples you gave today, as well as, you know, what your wife and her friend have gone through so much. Is it, does it seem, do you think that that is the entire purpose of struggles in life?

Like, are those struggles and, you know, that sort of suffering, like, is that the only way that a person can really get to a point to, you know, cling to Christ? Does it make sense what I'm asking, like? It does.

It does. To answer you with something somebody told me, it's hard to cry out to a savior that you don't think you need. I'm going to let that hang out for a moment. It's hard to cry out to a savior you don't think you need. And if you don't think you need a savior, why in the world are you going to call out to him? And oftentimes God will use the very difficult things of this world to penetrate into us and say, to expose how much we need. And also to show our sin. And I see this over and over.

C.S. Lewis says that suffering is God's megaphone. And we are told, Jesus told us this, in this world you're going to have trials. You're going to have very difficult times. That's the implication.

He says it right there. So what do we do about it? Do we try to live our life on this earth to insulate ourselves from the harshness of life? Well, you don't have to go out looking for trouble. But you're going to have it. You're going to have problems in your body. You're going to have problems at your work. You're going to have problems with people. Wherever two or three are gathered, there will be problems. You know?

I mean, that's just the way it is. What do we do with those problems? This world is not heaven on earth. And we're not called to make heaven on earth.

That's God's job. Thy kingdom come. Not my kingdom come.

Thy kingdom come. And so as we face these things, I see so many, particularly in our culture, we're trying to make ourselves feel better. We want to be happy.

We want to feel good. And God is interested in us being better. And He will allow things in our lives that are very painful.

I live with somebody like that. For both of us, it's painful. But He's interested in sanctification.

That's the core word here. We are justified by Christ and what He did at the cross. It was accomplished at the cross. It's applied through the work of the Holy Spirit. The sanctification, lifelong process of recognizing the things in us that have to be burned out. Jesus said, take up your cross.

Well, how many of, I mean, who's preaching that? We don't want to hear about that. We want to hear, we're going to get our breakthrough. We're going to have a blessing.

We're going to get a new job. And you're going to get this. And you're going to get that.

You're going to get this. Cross. See, we shun crucifixion. We all want resurrection, but we shun crucifixion. And that sin in us, that sin nature that we're still at war, although we're saved, that sin nature is at war. And we realize how much that is when we go through these difficult times because then we start crying out for relief.

And we'll look to all kinds of things for relief. And if you'll notice, the world wants what God offers, but they don't really want God, do they? They want the peace, but they don't want Jesus. And Jesus seeks after God.

No one. That's what Scripture says. We're not naturally going to do this. And God knows this. And so I look, I don't know how it all works with Him. I've offered my consulting services to the Almighty Lewis on many occasions. You know, He hasn't taken me up on it one time. He asked me my opinion. And I thought I had some pretty good opinions.

But He uses these things. And I'm not suggesting that we go out there and just flog ourselves and try to make ourselves look suffering and go down in the mouth about it. It is what it is. Life is life. You are not going to live this life without some type of injury, emotional, physical, anything. You're not going to get through this life unscathed. The question is, what do we do when we are scathed, when we are wounded?

It sounds like indeed, in Jesus' promise there, that the suffering itself is also just part of the promise. But man, praise be to God for that second part, you know, that He helps us to carry it, that His yoke is easy and His burden is light, man. Well, think about the Holy Spirit. What do we call the Holy Spirit? What is … The comforter. In this language.

All right. Now, we think of that as a comforter, like, oh, it's just going to put a warm blanket around us, we're going to feel better, the consoler, all that. And there's a part of that where Jesus comforts us. But comfort, the original word for that, comforte, with strength. That's what it means, comforte, with strength.

Hmm. And Jesus is, and He said, I'm going to send you another helper. I'm going to go to the Father and your joy is going to be magnified because I'm sending you another helper that's going to strengthen you when you deal with these things.

And so I look at Gracie, for example, and I find that, that she's able to look at me from her hospital bed and say, no, no, not even one is not too many, He knows what He's doing, and I trust Him. That only comes from that peace that passes all understanding. Peace not as the world gives. The world does not give the kind of peace that Gracie exhibited the other day.

It doesn't. That's right. Only, only Christ. And so He uses these things to illuminate in our lives.

He uses these things to drive us to the cross because that's the only place where we're going to find Him. That's my thoughts on it. I hope that answers your question, Lewis. And I do appreciate you. Thank you so much.

Yeah, buddy. Thank you for calling. This is Peter Rosenberg. This is Truth Talk Live.

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We've got our Substack post. So many things that we're offering, particularly if you're a family caregiver. If you're dealing with very hard things. You know, we've been doing this for four decades. And we learned a few things.

All of it the hard way, of course. But, you know, you still learn it. I've never learned anything the easy way. But we'd love to share that with you. We're not going to inundate you with stuff.

There's a caregiver 911. If you're really struggling right now, I can help with some things. Again, I've been doing this for a very long time and I've learned a few things. And I have a stewardship responsibility to pass on what I've learned. Paul said to comfort one another with the same comfort you yourself have received from the God of all comfort.

That's the comfort I've received. And that's what this program we're talking about today. It's all the things that we're talking about on this. Because it's about understanding the gospel in more profound ways. I understand it more than I did yesterday, but not as much as I'm going to tomorrow. Because every day I'm seeing new mercies every morning.

New understanding. Every single day. But that's not going to happen if we just check Jesus out of the library when we need something for that day.

And then we put it back on a shelf until the next crisis happens. There's an old hit every hour. I put that on my CD, Songs for the Caregiver.

I played that. And the only reason I put that on there is because nobody's written I need the every minute yet. And I will do that. Let's go to the phones. Mike in Dayton, Ohio. Mike, it's good to talk to you again. How are you doing? I'm doing good, sir. Well, I'm doing I'm sorry I said that. But I've been pondering what you said.

All right. Now, Mike, you came right out of you came right out of the gate and stumbled right out. You're doing good. No, I'm sorry I said that. Now, what does that mean, Mike? Are you good or not? Because you like that.

Well, it doesn't mean anything. It's just, you know, it's just what people say, you know. Yeah. You're not you're not doing good, are you, Mike? Well, I'm doing great. I really am.

Oh, Mike, we've just graduated from good to great. There you go. I know.

All right, buddy. Exactly. Do I hear a fantastic?

Why not? Fantastic. You know what I mean?

I am doing fantastic. You know why? Jesus died for me at the cross. And I know where I'm going to go when I die. You know, I know that.

And by the way, finish the part of it. He not only died for you at the cross, he was risen for you. Romans 1.

And he ascended to the Father where he intercedes every single day. Yeah. Amen. He's interceded.

All right. Well, what's on your mind today? Well, I've been pondering about what you said, how to pray for you. You said, strength for today and hope for tomorrow. You know, that's really good advice to pray for someone. And I really think that that's what I pray for myself for. God, give me strength for today and hope for tomorrow. Bright hope for tomorrow. You know where that's from?

Where's that from, sir? Great is thy faithfulness. Strength for today and bright hope. Blessings all mine with 10,000 beside. Great is thy faithfulness, Lord unto me. And that is such a great statement.

Thomas Chisholm wrote that. Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow. And that is why we can go into, or that's why Gracie can go into her 91st surgery, knowing that she has strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow, regardless of what happens with her broken body in this world. So, yeah.

Right. And then what I was pondering about is that's how we should live our lives. We worry about today. And then just, dear Lord, help me to get by for tomorrow.

You know, I thank you for today and praise you for tomorrow, Lord. You know, it's not easy to do that, you know, because things come around you everywhere you go, everything you do. The last caller was talking about, you know, do we have to go through struggles? Yeah.

Why not? Yeah. You know, we do. If it was easy, we wouldn't need a Savior, would we? Amen. And, you know, it's just, you know, that's the way Christians need to live their lives. And then we can say it as well with your soul. I love that song.

I wish you had your keyboard. You know, it is well. You know, my dad loved that song a lot. It feels, you know, it's like your spirit is saying, thank you, God, for what you've done for me and I'm hoping for tomorrow, you know. Well, and I think the hope, the word hope, let's go back to like we did with comfort, the word hope in our society has been downgraded to wishful thinking. I hope I get a good parking space. I hope it doesn't rain today.

I hope I won't have to call the manager from behind the glass here at the grocery store in Aurora, Colorado. That's what hope has become in our culture. Biblical hope is conviction, bankable conviction that this is our hope.

Christ in us, the hope of glory. This is not something we're wishful thinking about. Well, I hope it works out.

No, no, no, no. This is our hope. This is where we stand.

This is where we plant our flag. And that is the difference. And that's the type of thing that sustains you when you are going through these things. Not this, well, I hope Jesus will help me get through it.

Come on, we're better than that. If he's Lord at all, he's Lord of all. Do we believe this? Christian, what do you believe? And I say that over and over. So, that's my thoughts on it, Mike.

Yeah, I have one more. You know, for God to love the world, he gave his only begotten Son who believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. That's our great hope that we have everlasting life with Christ and making him our king and worship him forever and ever and ever. And then our loved ones, we can be with them and cherish them, you know.

So, we can have life abundantly with him in heaven. You know, that's the most important thing. Our life is like a vapor here on earth and we need to, you know, make sure that people understand that there's an everlasting life and that's with Christ. We don't often see, have those conversations with people unless they're in some type of crisis.

Right. And that's, go back to the caller we had in the last block with Lewis, and in those crisis moments, that's when people are willing to have a conversation about it. As long as the bank account's full and everybody's healthy and everybody's got what they want and they feel good, they're not going to cry out to a savior. But it's in those moments, you know, and I look here in the hospital situation where I am right now and I see it all around me, all around me of people who are in crisis.

And the question is, you know, am I going to reflect that? And again, I go back, when do we get to clock out from sharing our faith? When do I get to take a sick day?

When does Gracie get to take a sick day from sharing the gospel? Well, I mean, I was at Meyers the other day and there was this old man, he walked in front of, there was a long line and I'm getting my food and the guy just walked right past the line and got in the line. And the cashier said, sir, you have to get in the back of the line. Well, I was next in line, I said, sir, you can stand in my line, I'll get in the back of the line. And I let him have my spot and I went to the back of the line. In the back of the line, the lady goes, my gosh, why are you like this?

There's not that many people like you. And I says, because, you know, and then I was able to talk to her about God, you know. And it was a long line, so I had a long conversation with her, which was interesting that my spirit, the grace that I had for that older gentleman, you know, he wasn't paying attention about the line, but I let him have my space in line, you know. And that's what, we don't miss up the opportunities, stuff like that, to be able to be a witness for that, you know.

And then that's reading the Word, that's praying, that's what's in your heart. I mean, that doesn't just come natural. You have to give up the old natural, man.

No. Believe me. Serving the Lord does not come natural.

I think we can land on that one today. Serving the Lord does not come natural. It comes supernatural. No, it does come supernatural. And it's not easy.

You need to refill your spirit with God's Word and God's love, and that way you're refined. Does that make sense, you know? It does. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, listen, Mike, I appreciate very much the call. We're about out of time here. We've got to go, so thank you so much for the call. And go look for other people to let cut in front of you in line, because you never know whether there's an opportunity to speak to someone.

You're going to have to go out and look for stuff. God's going to bring it to your path. You just go about your business, do your job, and watch what God does. I have seen this over and over and over. So thanks so much for the call there, Mike. We have a conversation today. We've had a good time. I always do on this program.

And I appreciate you guys letting me spend a Wednesday afternoon with you. I'm going to leave this microphone now and go back to do some acute caregiving. But it's all good. It's painful. It's tough. It's challenging. All of the above.

Everything you can think about. But it's in those places where we see His hand of mercy. We hear His voice and cheer. And just the time He's always near. He lives. He lives. Isn't that a great hymn? I miss the caregiver keyboard. I've got to get it back. Hopefully it won't be too much longer. This is Peter Rosenberger. PeterRosenberger.com. Go out and check it out. We'll see you next time.