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I get to be back. I haven't done this for a little while, but I am back today and it is Missions Monday. And you may know Missions Monday.

We could be traveling to Sydney, Australia, or we could be going into China, or we could just be going to Mocksville, North Carolina. There you go. As was the case at Carolina Bible Camp over the weekend.

Dangerous Heart Ministries hosted what they call a boot camp. And I was honored to be part of that team. I've got a couple of the other gentlemen with me here today. But before we do that, again, this is, you know, from my standpoint, this is your show. You're listening and I want to hear from you, right? It's your calls always make my day. And so 866-348-7884. You may have a dad joke.

You're thinking, I haven't heard Robbie on there for a week or so and then got to tell him my joke. I want to hear it. You know, I do. 866. And I've got some for you today to be ready. 866-348-7884.

86634. But here's a question I really want you to ponder. And when I first say it, it may be a little bit confusing to you.

So I'll try to clarify it as best as I can. But have you ever taken part in someone hearing from God for the first time? In other words, when we do these boot camps, we've done them for years with Mask on Journey.

We've done them even more years with Dangerous Heart. And part of it is what we call a covenant of silence, where we send guys out on a mission to hear from God. And again, Robbie speaking can have whatever effect, probably little. Of course, if Jesus is speaking through me, then we've accomplished something. But oh my goodness, when somebody hears something that clearly is in line with the Bible, clearly in line with what they're out there talking to him about, and then all of a sudden, whether it leaps off the page from Scripture or it leaps right into their mind from their past, it is mind-blowing the fruit of that. And we've got some stories along those lines, but most of all, I want to hear your story. You've got one, 866, maybe you heard from God, that would be cool too. Or maybe you were there when somebody heard from God the first time, and they're like, Robbie, was that really God?

866-348-7884. My old friend Darren Kuhn with me, and my new friend Jesse Robinson. And you guys go to the same church, right? We do.

Yep, we do. Jesse just showed up one day, and we let him hang around. And now he's kind of helping lead our men's ministry, and he just finished his first boot camp.

So he's a rookie. New end of this. They won't let me leave the church now.

They've got me wrapped up in there. So this is a wonderful opportunity, because I have not talked to Jesse about this personally, so I'm excited to hear it. So we do something even more radical than a covenant of silence, in my opinion. It's almost always like stepping off on the leap of faith that you may have seen in that Indiana Jones movie, right? Where he had the bridge of faith, where he had to step off, where he couldn't see anything. It looked like he was going to go down in the cavern.

Well, we do something called listening prayer, where we're in a group of guys, and we ask God. And so you got to do that. Had you ever done that before, Jesse?

I have never done that before. And did that feel a little awkward? It was very awkward.

I love it. Yeah, it was very awkward. You know, I don't know that it ever gets totally comfortable, and I would venture to say that if it did, you might be doing something wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's like, God, I need to come through here. Like, man, if you're facilitating it, you're like, man. Plus, you're trying to hear from God, and you got all that. So we did it different than I've ever seen it done this time.

Darren challenged us. So we have an amazing talk that literally has had a huge impact on my life called the New Name Talk, where we ask guys to go out and hear, or ask God, you know, God, what do you call me, right? And as a result, you know, I could tell you a story after a story of a guy's life that was totally impacted by hearing from God on that particular issue.

Well, this time we did that with listening prayer, and we got in these groups, right? And so you were in one of those groups, right, Jesse? And can you kind of give us your story of what that felt like in the middle of all that? Yeah, I can go ahead and give my story on that. Actually, that was really difficult for me for a lot of reasons. I actually started with your speech.

You gave your presentation right before we went into those listening groups. And it really hit home with me when we started talking about what he calls you, and how you said the domino effect in your life when God gave you your name, Faithful. And you said, well, what kind of name is that?

I feel like an old dog. But I kind of had the same thing happen for me when I did hear God in that moment give me my name. And it was difficult for me because it's not something I'm comfortable with. The only thing that kept coming to mind was leader, and that's what kept coming into my mind. And, you know, throughout my life, I've been put in positions where I was being asked to lead, and I just a lot of times refused to do it.

I didn't want to do it. I've had teachers through my growing that have called me and told me that I was going to be a leader throughout my history in the military. I was often called to lead in the military and do things throughout that. And even coming back to faith, because I actually left faith when I was in the military for a lot of issues that I had, just going through the military and my experience there, and then being re-baptized into Christianity. And then a month later being asked to lead men's Bible study.

And I'm just getting back into it, and I don't feel prepared to lead men's Bible study at all. And so it just there's a domino effect that just connects everything of why I was being asked. But even when we were going through, I was for that, I mean, 30 minutes of the listening prayer, I was really struggling with that name. And I really didn't say a whole lot because I was just wrestling with that thought in my mind, just talking to God during that experience. And then Darren comes up and he starts talking. He's like, he really pointed out that I had a misunderstanding of the idea of meek.

And that's what the word came to his mind of what God gave him, my name should be. And then we had... Wow, that means there's a break, you get a chance to think. But you listening, you get a chance to think, what's your story?

Like when did you, and usually he catches you by surprise, and wow, I never would have thought of that. 866-348-7884, 86634-TRUTH. And again, if you got a dad joke for me, you know, I'm always open. 86634-TRUTH, we'll be right back. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live, and how fun today we're talking about. Have you ever been taking part in someone hearing from God for the first time?

You got to see the light in their eyes and like, oh man, that's so exciting. And we're here with Dangerous Heart Ministries, Darren Kuhn and Jesse Robinson. But more, you know, I just, I love it when people call in. So we got Jonathan is in Columbus, Ohio.

I'm guessing that's Ohio. Jonathan, you're on Truth Talk Live. Good evening.

Good evening, man, I appreciate this, I appreciate the luxury, it's awesome. Thanks for having me. Oh yeah. Here's the thing that, I have a relative, and I think he got caught up in some sort of doctrine or something that's kind of scary. And the thing is, he really does not accept anything that has the name of Jesus, but he accepts everything that has the name of Yeshua.

It has to be Yeshua. I really don't know how to address it. I mean, I really appreciate his conviction.

I think that's awesome that he is for, you know, Jesus Christ wanting to die for our sins. But how would you address that? Is there scripture? Is there anything?

How would you correct that? Number one, I love your heart, Jonathan, that you're, you know, you clearly love well, and you're treating his heart right. And, you know, the whole thing with language is, and again, people that know me well know that I love Hebrew, and undoubtedly when I hear Yeshua, you know, it lights up some bells for me personally.

Oh, me too. However, you know, clearly what comes to my mind, although, you know, this is a great opportunity for a lot of prayer right on its own, but what immediately comes to mind is Jesus himself did not just speak one language. And obviously, in the book of Acts, when Peter addressed the crowd, he addressed everybody in a language that they could understand.

Now, how all that worked, you know, that's something for all our imaginations to work on. But undoubtedly, in order to share something that people relate to in English, you know, as much as I want to speak Hebrew to them, you know, it just doesn't work, because they can't, you know, the idea is not just what I feel. The idea is what everybody is feeling that's around me.

And so I want to be able to speak in a tongue that the person that's listening can understand me. And here's another example, Jonathan, as I think about it, that for years, I mean, literally years, maybe 22, I taught the special needs ministry at Calvary Baptist, and a lot of those folks were nonverbal. So for me to stand there and say anything in a verbal language was meaningless, but maybe you know the sign for Jesus.

Most people do. You just take your finger and put it in the palm of your hand, right? And you put it in the palm of the other hand. And I had the phenomenal honor one time, Jonathan, of leading a nonverbal autistic gentleman that you had to see him prior to coming to Christ and after coming to Christ to see the effect that Jesus had on his life when he received him. But had I not been able to speak it to him in his language, he would still be without that relationship with Christ that he had, because I never saw, the man's name was Marius, and his hands were always over his face because he was ashamed. And he would never even look at you, better yet, shake your hand. But after he came to Christ, his hands were down always.

He came in with his hand out trying to shake my hand, and it wouldn't be unusual at all that he would just hug me and about kill me because he was strong. But the idea was he became a brother in Christ because, you know, we got to speak to people in a language that they understand. Does that help at all? Yeah, that is something. It gives me lots to think about. I appreciate that.

Thank you. Oh, Jonathan, I'm honored that you would come with me. What's his name so we can pray for him? Yeah, his name is Eugene, and he has a heart after God, but it's like everybody that says the name of Jesus, they're wrong.

It's like you don't really have the name above all names. It's Yeshua, you know. And then Yeshua, like you said, that lights me up, too. And I told him, I love that. I love Yeshua, but I believe he's the same guy.

He's the same. Oh, wow. All right, so it's Vee-gene. Eugene. Eugene. Let's pray right now. So, Lord, thank you for Eugene, and I thank you for his love for your name, your beautiful name.

And I just pray that you would open his heart to some new ideas and help him to see, not only is it cool to worship Jesus in our heart, but that other people might have that opportunity, were he able to communicate that. And however that works, Lord, we leave it to you, and I thank you for a chance to pray for Eugene this morning. In Jesus' name and Yeshua, I pray. Amen. Amen. Amen.

Amen. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, Jonathan. God bless. Wow. What an amazing, amazing story. And so we have my old friend Busman.

Here's another. Good morning. Or I always say morning because I do too many morning shows, Busman. I'm sorry. I was going to say, where are you, Robbie?

Because it's out in Ohio, brother. It's 4.25 p.m. Wake up, Robbie. Time to go to work. Always good talking to you, brother.

Same here. I've got a dad joke. Are you ready? I am.

I am so ready. You have no idea. I've got a dad joke.

OK, here we go, Truth Talk Live. How do you make dad's stew turn into gold? How do you make dad's stew? Oh, Stew would love this joke. I hope he's listening.

He's on his way back from Greenville right now. How do you make dad's stew turn into gold, Busman? You've stumped the panel. OK, so now just to clarify, stew meaning that real good soup. You know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm I'm I'm not going to assume anything.

I know exactly what you're talking about. I want a good stew anyway. So are you ready, Truth Talk Live? We are ready. You add ten carrots. Oh, ten of them. There you go. There you go.

Pure gold. Not 14 carrots. It's a K, Rafi. It's a K on carrots. That's the dad joke.

Zinger. Yeah. Yeah.

And you know, the thing about carrots is, you know, when snowmen go to, you know, pick their nose. It's it's one of those things. But anyway, did you have a comment on the topic? I did.

You know, it's funny. I was I was the person, Robbie. I was the person when my when my first born, when we were blessed with our firstborn. My wife and I were at the ultrasound at the 20 week ultrasound, which means we could find out what gender we were having.

Oh, yeah. And we found out that we were having a little boy and I was ecstatic, you know, for being a dad. My firstborn was going to be was going to be a son. So up to that point, we had talked family names, family names from her side, family names from my side. And we thought, we'll just keep it family. Well, we weren't sure yet. And we were praying about it. Well, when we got home, guys, from the ultrasound.

A dear sister in Christ, who is my wife's best friend, called my wife and said, my eight year old just came up and said, I know what to name. Oh, hang on. Hang on, Busman. We've got to go to a break. And you have us all sitting on the edge of our seats. Nobody going to Wal-Mart because we're coming back with this end of Busman story. I'm excited to hear your son's name when we come back. But what's your story? We would love to hear it.

Eight six six three four eight seven eight eight four. True talk live today. It's missions Monday and we're fresh off the dangerous heart boot camp with the question, have you ever taken part in someone hearing from God for the first time?

Or maybe you heard from God for the first time. We got Darren Coon and Jesse Robinson here with us. But we also have with us Busman. And when we left our hero, he was getting a call from an eight year old about the name of his son. Here's the wild thing, guys, is our dear friend, the mom of the eight year old didn't know what we were having. They just knew that we were going to the ultrasound. So I got to clarify that for all the listeners.

Right. So when when my when my wife got off the phone, she had this just this dazed look on her face like, I can't believe this. And I said, well, well, what what was said, honey? And she said, Susan's boy son, Christopher, just come to her. So Susan called me and said, Christopher said, I know what to name their child, their boy, their boy. And it just caught us.

What? You knew we was having a boy, Christopher? Evidently so. And out of the mouth of babes, out of the mouth of babes, God speaks, says the Psalm in Psalm eight.

So we are standing on needles. We were like, well, Susan, what what did he say? He said, Luke and Drew.

Wow. There are there are no Luke Andrews in either of our lineages, Robbie. So we were like, this is an act of God. My 17 year old son is named Luke Andrew. What an amazing.

That is so cool. I mean, and, you know, I have not not a similar story, really, but just a miraculous story about my youngest daughter's name. And so the name can't hardly come out of my mouth that I don't taste that.

Right. I'm sure you feel that when Luke Andrew comes out of your mouth, you taste how God came through in that moment for you guys. I'll never, ever forget that, Robbie.

I'll never. I remember exactly where we were. I remember my wife's face, the look of it when she got off the phone and we were just fresh out of the OBGYN office. And it was just it was just miraculous. Well, as always, my friend, you're a blessing. And since I've got you on the phone and I have a few of what I know you love, we're going to test your dad joke ability since you tested the truth talk live ability. Are you with me, Busman? So, Robbie, I'm ready. Grayson, if you got my music for me, Grayson, Grayson. All right. We got to get we got to get our joke music going, Busman, because I just don't roll without my music.

You know, there it is. All right. So why do we say amen at the end of a prayer and not a women?

Jesse, you got any idea? What do you think, Busman? Why do we say amen? Amen. Amen. Instead of a women at the end of our prayers.

I hate to say this and I thought I was a contender. I do not know. Oh, it's because we sing hymns, not hers. Oh, yes, we are. And a matinee on Sunday at the church.

So anyway, where's more where that came from? And I bet you know this one, Darren, I'm guessing you do. How does a pirate start his prayers? Our father, our father. Yeah, you're going to say it just right, Darren.

You got to put our father. Yeah, there you go. All right. How about this one, Busman?

I have high hopes for you here. Where do Russian Muslims go to pray? You know what, Jesse, you got that look like you might know. It's got something to do. It would have to have something to do with mosque guys. So what's Russian in mosque? Am I close, Darren? You're close. It's mosque-ow. Mosque-ow.

He's such a dad. Yes. And to round up my whole complete thing for today. When you hear ramen, it's not just noodles. OK, what else might that be? Ramen. It's not just noodles. What else could that be, Jesse? No idea, still. I bet Grayson.

Grayson, you got this one? Not just noodles. No, it's not just noodles. What else might that be? It could be the... And I'm using all of my dadness here on this. I'm using all of my dad's superpowers and I'm coming up with nothing.

Well, if you're not of the right generation, you might know this, but for those of us who lived in the 70s and 80s, it's a little easier because it's actually Scooby Doo finishing a prayer. Ramen. Ramen, Raggy.

OK. Ramen, Raggy. I do have a dad joke for you. Oh, wait a minute. Jesse's got one. All right, all right.

And you are a dad, so it's official. Have you heard about the restaurant on the moon? I heard about it, but I'm going to let you. I hear it's got great food, but no atmosphere. That's true. Great food, but no atmosphere. Whatsoever. Yep. Well, I've eaten in many of those moon restaurants.

I ate one in Ashboro just the other day. Anyway, but thank you. It's always such a joy to have you on. God bless. You have a great day. Great week. And the rest of your morning. Absolutely, guys. Time to get off the good work. Hey, God bless True Trust Live.

We love you here in Ohio. Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you.

All right. So when we were finishing up our conversation, oh, by the way, you might have a dad joke. You might have something you want to talk to me about, and I would love for you to call. And you're thinking, Robbie, can you say that number again? Well, here you go.

866-348-7884. Again, when we were talking earlier with Jesse, you were finishing up your listening prayer story. Yes. So as soon as Darren finished talking to me and said that the name that he heard from God was Meek, Steve actually jumped in and said he was going to talk to me after the prayer group about it. Steve has been my mentor for a few months now, and he's been really helping me get everything together and helping me with the men's Bible study and getting together.

And he does talk a lot about how well I'm doing with the group and how he sees a natural born leader. And then we had a few other guys in there. Chris and Thomas were in there as well.

And these two guys, I do not know. I've never met them before this prayer group. And Thomas jumped in and said the word that he heard was warrior in the sense that I was ready for a fight if it were to come. Hearing the word leader from God in my heart during that before even sharing it with these guys and having them all three affirm the same thing I was hearing really made it so I feel like I have to embrace what he's calling me to now. It's something that I've really been struggling with and kind of fighting back off just because I feel inadequate to do the job and to lead, especially again with the men's Bible study.

I've only been back in the faith for about three months now. So it was it was it was a really big, big deal to hear from God in that sense and just affirm all of that. You've heard the term strike when the iron's hot.

Steve has never allowed an iron to get cold. And so he jumped all over Jesse. And that is such a cool thing. And one of our one of my responses to Jesse saying that because he kind of shared that with us that night. And I said, Jesse, that's exactly why you are a leader, because you are humble enough to submit to a mentor.

You're humble enough to say, I don't know the answer to this, but I'm going to go digging and find out. And that and he has I mean, I've known him for a few months now. You know, also, I think it would be helpful for the audience because everybody's got a little different take on meekness. But I know your take on meekness and I know the audience would love to hear your take on meekness because it's it's extremely important to the picture. Right.

Well, it is. I mean, Jesse had just kind of given us a short description that he kind of sort of went to church a little bit when he was younger. But his church focused more on the meek side of Jesus than, you know, anything else.

And then he went to war, was in the military and saw things that, you know, don't fit that. And so I immediately said, I just heard him say that. And I didn't say anything for a few minutes. And I was praying and praying and praying. And I heard God say meek.

And I said, Jesse's going to love this. And I thought, you know, I mean, I hesitated a little bit, but but the reason was, is because I was hoping that other guys would come in with something that would affirm that. And I, I just questioned him and I said, what does meekness mean to you?

And I said, you know, it's kind of a dirty word, isn't it? And something along that line. And he, you know, affirmed that. But basically, I, I explained that meekness is calm strength, that it is a guy holding up, buttressing others, and that that guy's really a leader because he's pushing others up.

Right, right, right. Strength under control. Something along those lines.

How about control? What is your story? We would love to hear it. Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. We just got one segment left and I need to hear it.

Eight, six, six, three, four. Truth. Give us a call. Welcome back to Truth Talk Live.

Today is Mission Monday and how fun. Oh man, I've had so much fun here with my friend Darren Kuhn, Jesse Robinson, of course, Bussman and Jonathan. Jonathan's call. I'll be thinking about that one for days.

I mean, it's just awesome stuff that we always get from our listeners. So I'm glad you're calling. We got Gerald is calling, but I want to remind you that the number for you to call him because the show just isn't the same without you.

Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four. Gerald is in Durham, North Carolina. Gerald, you're on Truth Talk Live. Good evening. How are you doing? I'm doing great, man.

How are you? The first person I would have led to the Lord was out of spite. Really? I worked for a partnership and one of the partner's sons had just got out of college. They gave him a hamburger stand or movie rental store.

They gave him a convenience store. And one day he appears to go on my route. I had a video game route. So I'm playing. Local Christian station. And he says, look, I'm tired of this music.

Can you put on something else? So instead of putting that on, I put on Michael W. Smith and some contemporary music tapes. And he didn't realize it, but he was getting fed. And between his sister and I, we led him to the Lord.

Wow. And he's one of my best friends now. And they didn't take my route. They just wanted to know where all the machines were.

You're like, man, this is this is a huge threat that's in the in the truck with me. And so it turned out that way. And so how many years ago was that, Gerald? This was back in the 80s. Now, I was saved in nineteen eighty three and eighty five. I did. I started the van bus ministry. Eighty seven. I started Royal Rangers, the boys ministry.

Continue that up until the virus came in. Still doing the bus ministry. When in the mid 90s, I was a missionary to Belize for three years. Oh, my goodness.

And twenty twenty hours in New Orleans during Mardi Gras on the corner of San Ann and Bourbon Street. And God used me in such a way that on the way back, God said, did you enjoy me using you? And I was saying, God, that's what I've been praying for all this time. He said, give yourself to me. And I had held back my singleness because I didn't trust God to provide the right woman. So holding back 10 percent, that singleness, God still used me. But now I'm on fire for God. I'm 72 years old and just open for whatever God has for me next. That is so awesome, Gerald.

Yes. I'm so glad you called. What a what a great story. And you keep up the great work out there, my friend. OK. Well, you know, you provide a lot of shows on truth radio that I listen to all of them. Oh, thank you, Gerald. I really appreciate that.

I do, because it is really the audience that makes makes Truth Network work. So I get a lot of good stories from your programs. Yeah. Yeah.

People call in. It's amazing. It's amazing. And so thank you. God bless you.

Have a great week, my friend. So we need your story still. Eight, six, six. You know, you want to call. Come on. You just don't know how many people may be blessed to that might that God might touch them with your story. So don't hold back. Eight, six, six, three, four, eight, seven, eight, eight, four, eight, six, six, three, four.

True. So I got my story. I've been holding back. So I got to tell you at this camp, we do these listening prayers. And so you sit down there as a facilitator and you say, OK, guys, we're going to sit here for 30 minutes or an hour.

This was supposed to be. And see if we can hear something. If you can't hear your your new name from God yourself, ask for it for the guy across from you.

You know, we said Darren's. It purposely made the group so nobody knew anybody in the group. So there was all these people I'd never know really much talked to in my life and had met Charles, who was to the right of me. So as we sit down and this was actually an older group, I guess they did this because I'm a geezer. Well, yeah, I mean, you were the second oldest there, I think so. Anyway, as I'm sitting down, you know, with my fellow geezers, the gentleman to the right of me. And that says, you know, you know, I've I've hardly ever heard from God, not sure I ever did.

So this might take a while. And I said, OK. And then the guy right on the other side of me says, yeah, I don't you know, this isn't you know, they're explaining their awkwardness because it just wasn't something I said, it's OK, we're going to pray. If you hear something good, if you don't hear something, you know, don't pose. Just just go with it when you got something, you use it. So, man, we hadn't sat there two minutes.

Right. We had not, you know, and all of a sudden, Charles just immediately says, I don't know how it happened. But all of a sudden, God has just taken me back to when I was eight years old. I haven't thought of this story in years and years and years and years, because I think Charles was actually older than me.

I think he's 80. And so you could see that he's literally crying with this story when he was eight years old. And this was the story that what he heard was that he was not very already grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, although he did not know that. And so he'd come into, you know, whatever, second grade, late. And they had cloakrooms back then. I had one.

I know exactly. And so he was the last person out of the cloakroom. And after he sat down, that little girl somewhere in the class yells out, somebody has stolen my candy bar. I guess she goes back to the cloakroom and somebody's stolen her candy bar. And some little rich kid, the way that Charles put it, was sitting in the back, says, oh, it must be Charles. He was the last one out of the cloakroom and he's poor. As the first time Charles ever knew that.

Yeah. You know, what a little, you know, thing to hear. You know, obviously, you know, our battles against, you know, spiritual forces that hurt, you know, that obviously got this little guy's attention. But then, of course, the teacher takes him out in the hall and just, you know, starts, you know, confronting him like crazy. Open your pockets, pour him out. I know you've got that candy bar confusing him, going crazy on poor Charles.

And you just, you know, you can imagine he must have wanted to just die as he's been falsely accused. And then they go back in the classroom. She humiliates him some more.

He looks through the trash can to see if he threw it in there on the way out and just all this stuff. Right. And so when they go out to the to the. So the accusation was Charles is a thief.

Right. So when they go out to the playground, not one, not two, but three of his friends come up in individual different. Conversations and says, I know, say they say to Charles, I know you didn't take the candy bar, Charles, because you are trustworthy. And so we heard trustworthy, trustworthy that night. His dad takes him aside and says, Charles, I know you didn't take the candy bar because you're trustworthy.

And I said, Charles, do you think your name could be trustworthy by this time? You know, the guy is just and he's going on and on like I have not thought of that story, you know. And the whole camp for so many reasons and those those who are familiar with our camps know that we've been talking about that.

You've got wounds in your childhood that set up things that are taking a piece of your heart into your adult life that you don't even know are there. But Jesus wants to get those things and he wants to clear the temple. I mean, he literally knows that, you know, the temple is your heart. Right. And you've got to get that stuff out there and talk about it in order for it to work. That being said, a lot of guys tend to think that all we focus on is the wounds.

Right. The brokenness. And you have to you have to start there because if you don't have a clue about your own brokenness, then you're not going to feel the need for healing and you're you're not going to take that to Jesus.

And so we spend, you know, a little bit of time going through that. And, you know, we often get the question or the accusation, you know, that this is all about woundedness and brokenness. It's not about healing. But that talk right before that session was the first part of, OK, here comes the healing. This is how God often heals people is by going straight at their identity and affirming. No, I know I made you trustworthy, Charles. And when I send angels to help you, I say, hey, go help trustworthy over there.

He he doesn't use your mama's name usually. Right. And the other point that, you know, is the one hundred nineteen Psalm King David said, I'm made wise by my enemies. And it's often the case that that the attacks come straight at a guy's glory. Right. So how would you attract how would you attack trustworthy? You'd call him a thief and you get somebody accuse him of this, that and the other.

So, you know, he starts to lose his own identity. It was obvious. Yeah. For those of us sitting. Right.

But if you're the guy that you're trustworthy, worthiness has been attacked your whole life. You can't hear it. Right. And so it's just beautiful to me and not just for me, obviously.

Right. But everybody sitting in that circle and then, you know, guy after guy after guy. And there were tears literally from I think everybody sitting in the circle as God just came after. And I think you had that, too, in your circle. I did.

Yeah, I don't I don't think any one of us other than maybe me. And it's just because I was all cried out already. But God came. Do I need to call the way God came for me in a huge way during this boot camp.

And I'm excited about unpacking that over the next few weeks. But but yeah, I mean, it was it was a moving time for everyone there from the young to the old. And I I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that guys were affirmed in what their real identity is. And once you've heard God say that to you, other people can say all kinds of things about you or what you are. And now you have ammunition to fight off that lie. Right.

Because when you hear from God and you know, it's from him and it's been affirmed like it was for you, Jesse, you know, it makes makes all the difference. Man, so much fun to be on with you guys. Thank you so much. And thank you for all my callers today. And and guess what? I think we've got Nikita coming back tomorrow. This is the Truth Network.