Should Women Be Allowed to Preach?

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Right here it is. Should women be allowed to preach? There's the question we would love for your View on that. We really would. I don't care either side of the equation.

Everybody certainly is a, you know, that's why we have this show for the body of Christ to talk about things. 8663487884866-34874747474747 7884, I think the core question is. should women be allowed to preach in church? And so the Southern Baptist Convention, it is on the floor right this minute as we speak. It's been put out there as an article to Right?

Amend the Constitution. And Doc, you were there yesterday. You're right on top of this situation. What's going on? Yeah, I was there Sunday and yesterday.

Then I got out of town before the real battle started. The Southern Baptist Convention is having its annual meeting 2026. It's in Orlando, Florida. And there are 20,000-plus messengers. Boy, yesterday, the registration line.

I've never seen it so long because all of a sudden, in the past three months or so, Dr. Al Moeller, president of Southern Seminary, one of the flagship seminaries of the Southern Baptist Convention, felt that he should bring a motion, and that's these official terms. And that motion this morning was presented to the floor. It will be debated tomorrow and voted on. But he wants to bring to the a motion That uh would help clarify the Southern Baptist Convention Uh Belief regarding women as far as being ordained.

Pastors preaching pastors, Um And I'll read the language that is before me that he wrote that a Southern Baptist church. does not act to affirm A point Or endorse a woman serving in the office. or function of a pastor Elder Overseer, such as preaching in the assembled congregation. There's the question. There it is.

Eight six six. Three, four, eight. 7884. I know you got a view on this, and you know we know God has a view on it, and we would trying to discern that. And we would love.

Love, love to hear your discernment on it. It's 866, the number to call. 3487884. And there's lots of scripture. Um that that could be discussed.

Yes. And so interestingly, one of those on the side against the Southern Convention that that you brought out just Not too long ago. You know, just to say that it doesn't always, you know, go to the First Timothy, you know, idea that But there's other scripture that could be considered and Go ahead, Doc. through the years and and and I'm gonna Say to our audience that I come into Christianity of serious Christianity in 1982. And I didn't understand all of these issues that were going on in the Southern Baptist Convention, but I'm at a Southern Baptist church.

I now go to a Southern Baptist school. And I'm learning about all these arguments over the Bible. And one of the arguments all the way back, 1982, about women being ordained. And I kept hearing, now, why can't women be ordained? There's no such thing as really men or women because of Galatians 3.28.

There is neither Jew nor Greek. There is neither slave nor free. There is neither male nor female. For you all are one in Jesus Christ.

Well, that's really taking a verse out of major contexts. Because in this verse, we're talking about what it means to be in Christ.

So when it comes to being in Christ, he's not looking at us as a Jew or a Gentile. He's not looking at us as a slave or a free. He's not looking at us as male or female. But that's for being in Christ, for salvation. For all have sinned.

Doesn't matter what nation you're from, what color you are, what gender you are. But when it comes to positions We still have husbands and wives. And we still have roles as a pastor that tells us that the bishop is to be a man.

So, you can kind of guess where the doc stands on this. How about you?

Well, I'm trying to discern what you say. We know, we know, we're trying to discern. I know, we are. But I'm just saying that everybody may not share the same view. Sure.

And we definitely would love to hear your take or, you know, where you stand and how you would, you know, if you were going to stand on the floor of the Southern Convention.

Southern Baptist Convention.

Southern Baptist Convention, not just the Southern Convention. Then, you know, what might you say? 866-348-7884. 866-348-7884. Of course, the one.

that Doc would certainly quote You know, it was. 1 Timothy chapter 2 Timothy chapter 2 verse 12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence. That's verse 12. of 1 Timothy chapter 12.

I mean First Timothy chapter 2, verse 12. Yes. And and and kind of like that verse in Ephesians 5, 22, it seems like most men have two verses they know, 1 Timothy 2, 12 and Ephesians 5, 22 about the wife supposed to submit. And there's a lot more to this. It really is.

And trying to understand discern what the Holy Spirit was saying through Paul When he wrote this to Timothy, And what does it mean to us now here in 2026 and understanding Uh 'cause we've come up with new ways to do ministry. women involved in lots of areas. My wife? She was the co-director of VBS at Thomas Rhode Baptist Church. Was she a pastor at that point?

No. But boy, was she involved. And as I listened to different people debate this. I I thought one guy really nailed it. He said, I want to be so careful.

That I don't Permit. What God is not permitting. But I also don't What to hold back. what God is allowing. And all of a sudden, here's women who feel like, well, I have no place in the church.

Oh, yes, you do. You have massive roles, and there's so many things for you to be doing. And I am so thankful. I mean, I, I.

Some of the b m most biblical teaching I ever got came from uh different ladies in our s at our church who taught Sunday school. Um I'm a better man because of women teachers. But not The Pastor. Not a pastor. What say you?

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3487884 and believe me when I tell you We want to hear really what you think. your thoughts. That's the reason why we have this show live. is to get it out there and for people to have a place to speak their view on it. And clearly, I'm sure there are women pastors who are literally listening to this.

And, you know, we would love to know your take on it, and certainly. You know? I'm going to guess there's some fruit out there as a result of those ministries just saying, Doc. 866-348-7884-866-34 TRUTH. What say you?

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You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to True Talk Live. It is current events, that's for sure. As the Southern Baptist Convention in Orlando is meeting, the question is, should women be ordained as pastors? We would love your view.

866-348-7884. The number to call in and share. Fortunately, during the break, we got three calls.

So excited to hear from all of you. We got, first up, we got Jonathan is in High Point. Jonathan, you're on Truth Talk Live. Hey, can you hear me okay? I'm driving.

I hear you great. Excited to hear what you have to say.

Well, I guess I remember my dad telling me one time, sometimes you got to pick up the gauntlet, so that's what I'm doing. You know, I So much talk about roles and and I do believe that we have to Always accept God's design and He did design hierarchy. He designed it in The community, he designed it in the home, and he designed it between us and him. And I do think that anything anytime we approach these questions, we have to approach them. in humility and ask what is it that he's trying to accomplish in us And um So many times human beings will try to Build something and then compare it and say, well, what am I allowed to do?

And I think instead We need to ask what is he intending to do. And if we're going to be example of price Awesome. to the church in our homes and in our communities. That's where they That's where the discussion needs to begin, and I think that's how it needs to flow.

So when we get into the weeds about whether or not men or women should do particular things or fulfill particular roles, we got to That's what God has given us. as the model and in what capacity he gives us to work through from that model to be led by his spirit and to to do the things he gives us to do each day. Oh, that's well said, Jonathan. Doc is over here shaking his head like crazy. Humility.

Humility, yeah, because I couldn't agree with you more, Jonathan. Um that You know, I love actually what you said, and several points that you made. The idea of his structure, the way that he. um orders things um and the idea of you know trying to discern you know what where he's at in these things and certainly uh our own families are first in in in in the priority of things. I love it, right, Doc?

Yes, sir. Thank you for that. The thing is that he never changed it.

So we do have a dependable reference point. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And I'm so glad you took up the gauntlet. I appreciate it, Jonathan.

God bless. I appreciate your call. All right. We got Linda is in Virginia. Linda, you're on Truth Talk Live.

Hi, hi, hi, hi. Hi. Uh What have you got for us?

Okay. Like I heard someone say, there is no male. All female. And when it comes to God, He's gonna put somebody in the job. If a man is nowhere to be found, who's gonna do it?

A woman has to step up. There are so many single people out there raising women, raising kids. Where are the men? Where are the men? The women has taken the role to be the leader for so many years.

So we can't stop. Just because somebody said we can't do it. 'Cause Jesus can call anybody. He spoke in the darkly. You know, there's so much of what you say, Linda, makes sense to me.

The rocks will cry out. I believe if we don't go forth, the rocks will start crying out. I really believe that. Yeah, you know, it's f it's fascinating mind. If God said go, go.

My my daughter teaches, um at an inner city school. here in Western Salem. And um Sometimes she has trouble with behavior. And she said, she said. You want to solve the problem with behavior in these families?

Tell them you're going to call their mom. And she says, you know, things straighten out. And no doubt that there was Deborah, right? Like, there wasn't a man to step up. Hallelujah.

Hallelujah. And then, praise God, there was Deborah. Oh, and so I think that's, you know, getting back to what Jonathan said as well, it takes such discernment. And some and like you said, the rock's going to cry out, somebody better step up, somebody better speak the truth. What say you, Doc?

Well, I I hear that and Deborah called for Barack Barack to do his job. Right. And and so there is the component and I and and I know single moms And I my bo my blood boils when I think about personally a family who have their The fathers, the husbands have not done their job. They should have done their job and I want to call them to do their job. We appreciate women who have to take on that double role.

Sometimes they take it on because the husband died, as I just dealt with not long ago with a family at a school where I was the head of school. The mom had to be both father and mother to her son, and he just graduated and did a phenomenal, you know, she just did a phenomenal job. We also have those deadbeat husbands and deadbeat fathers who need to step up and do their job. When it comes to this role in the church, yes, there are times when women are going to have to step up. But that can't be that place as I'm understanding scripture.

And that's what the debate is going on with the convention right now. do we move the woman at that point to now becoming the, quote, senior pastor, the ordained pastor? And I see scripture saying you don't violate that. The woman does have a role in soul winning. She does have a role in teaching.

But somewhere along the line, you got to make that decision. When do you decide, okay, this is as far as her title can go? And I think that's what Dr. Moeller's trying to bring out with the convention. But nonetheless, Linda, so do you have a role in the church?

Yes, I am. I am a minister. I am. I haven't spoken a while, but I am a minister. I minister in the neighborhoods.

And I I I'm a witness for Christ, and nothing is going to take that, nothing is going to take that from me. Nothing is going to take that from me because when God calls you, you got to do your work. Because Men, if they have the hand have fallen low. If you look at Look at things, you can see how low men have fallen. God's going to use somebody to do it.

Somebody gonna do it. Are they you look at this? Are they winning so? Have more people came in church since he he died? If things turning over, are things moving forward?

Is the church getting larger? Is people coming to God? Are people getting healed? You got to look at all of that and say, yeah, God is using that woman to be the leader. God is using her to cover poor things.

You gotta you just can't say she's not even choosing she's out of place. You got to see what God is saying about it because God said, know them by the spirit. He said, know them by the flesh, ah, judge, ah, what we think. We have to know them by the spirit. And see what God is doing in their lives and see what God is doing in that community of that.

And believe me, believe me, Linda, we praise God that He's using you. We do. And I love your spirit. You keep up the good work, okay? God bless.

Thank you for calling in. Thank you a lot. All right, we got Chris has been hanging on a long time. We got Dan too in Virginia. Chris, you're on Truth Talk Live.

Yes, hello. Good to talk with you guys. I believe that women. play a mighty role in the body of Christ. As some of the women in my church.

you know, had taught, you know, the word. And minister, you know, and sing and do all kinds of wonderful work in the body of Christ.

However I believe that the body of Christ Is the responsibility of the man to be the pastor of the church. And I also believe and I can further um testify that I believe that the body of Christ falls under the jurisdiction of Paul's gospel. and Paul's doctrine from Romans to Philemon. I believe it is a doctrine today for the body of Christ.

So I believe in following what Paul's doctrine says. to the body of Christ. And I just have to follow what the word says. Thank you, Chris. Thank you.

Well said. I appreciate you calling in very much. Um Or do you want to stay on through the in through the break or do you want to...

Well, we will be back with your calls 866-348-7884-866-34 TRUTH. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. DOOOOOO Welcome back to True Talk Live. Today is Very hot topic and very current event of whether or not women should be pastors, ordained pastors in a church. And it's right now on the floor of the Southern Baptist Convention, but actually it's kind of on the floor of a lot of churches all the time as whether or not this is.

Is something that should be taking place based on the scriptures, based on what's going on in a particular situation. And we got Chris is still with us from Virginia. And Doc, you loved what he said. Yeah, I really appreciated that, Chris. Jesus said, I will build my church.

But he didn't lay out The instructions for it. And Paul comes along and with Timothy and with Titus lays out these offices and lays out the different ways these things are going to be put into action and how elders will be appointed. And so I really appreciated what you said that we're looking to the Pauline teaching. We've got Peter as well, as he spoke to the elders about what their roles were to be as an under-shepherd. and they'll get a reward when they get to heaven from the chief shepherd.

So thank you, Chris, for those words. Oh, you're welcome, brother. God be with you, man. Yeah, we appreciate your call very, very much. You have a great, a great day.

God bless. We got Dan is in Virginia. Dan, you are on Truth Talk Live. We still have Pam, too. We're going to get to her in a minute.

Yes, sir, I'm here. Yeah.

So what what say you, Dan?

Well I say Yeah. During that time when Paul spoke about the w you know, women's Shouldn't preach or teach in a church, they should be quiet and ask their husbands at home. We were we were in a different time it was a different time back then, I believe. And you know, when you think about it, The woman was the first one to carry the word. Which was Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Um And Men, our men A lot of times aren't there like they should be. And I think God'll use anybody, like the young lady said earlier. If he want to get his word crossed, He can use he will use anybody. And I just feel like we're in a different time and that I don't see nothing wrong with a woman preaching or teaching in church.

Well, and that's why I'm glad you called because, Dan, I'm sure there's lots of people that share that sentiment, and certainly there's other things in those letters that describe women wearing head covering, et cetera, that would possibly be considered cultural. And so, you know, that's definitely something to look at and something to discern. Whether or not. You know. This is a cultural issue, whether or not this is a structural issue.

It would be really good. I could agree with the young lady, too, that men, all men, would step up into the roles that God gave them to do. And uh You know, it's a fascinating question, Doc.

Well again, the the issue that we're Battling, again, when I say we, because I've got a connection to the Southern Baptist Convention, I got saved in a Southern Baptist church, went to a Southern Baptist school. Um Trying to figure this out and be as close to what the Bible says because. Uh Does God give the roles for the home? Is that, well, that was back then, that's no longer there. And does he lay out things that he wants us to do for salvation?

Well, that was them, but what about now? We've got all these other religions that come along, so now is it not okay for them to say they get to go to heaven?

So we got to be careful how we Take what was written thousands of years ago and all of a sudden say, today we've got all these different religions.

Well, maybe they also should be included.

Well, okay, we're going to change what God said about what the structure of the church should be. Um but again I'm I will I have through the years, try to be so careful. I don't want any lady to ever feel like God doesn't want her doing ministry. He does. We're all gifted to do ministry.

We're all called to do ministry. And we all have different gifts. Romans 12 has the gift of teaching. It didn't say just for men there. But when it comes to being the pastor of a church where you are the authority, the shepherd, Uh I'm just saying I see that role being reserved just for a man.

That's not saying, again, that any woman can't be being used in a church. And.

So, Dan, again, we are so grateful for your going in and your view. And, you know. This is why the debate is going on. That's why it's going on. God bless you, my friend.

Thank you.

Can I say one more thing? Oh, of course, of course. You know We're in a different time. Yes, we're in a different time. You know In a lot of the teachings in the Bible is biblical.

I mean, it's the Word of God. But we don't do a lot of stuff that the Word of God tells us to do, you know, like. He said, Greet your brother with a hug and a kiss. Who does that? You know what I mean?

Well, Robbie does. I just gotta say, Dan, I just gotta say, if you come over here, I'll be happy to. You know. But you know, we've fallen so far away from the word of God till is is sad in the church, but You know, if a lady can, you know, I listen to a lot of women preachers, and they're like, you know, every morning, you know, I listen to you guys. And I, you know, the joyous, I listened to her.

And she blessed me all the time. She blesses me all the time with the word of God. And, you know, so. But like you say, you don't I don't I want to be careful here too. I don't want to You know Say that shouldn't work.

I just think, you know, if the man ain't there to do it, somebody got to do it. Amen. Thank you again, Dan. God bless you. I appreciate you so much calling today and your concern for it.

God bless. We got Pam is in South Carolina. Pam, I'm so grateful for your call today. By the way, if you want to call in, please do 866-348-7884. Pam, go ahead.

Thank you.

Can you hear me? I hear you great. Okay, um I think God is still the same today, and what He had planned, He knew that was the right order of things. And just because we don't do it anymore doesn't mean that Yeah. And I think that just like in the Bible, I think the Bible talks about how.

You know, if a woman married a man, And then something happened to the man. Then the man's family, like brothers and things, kind of steps in to take care of her. I think. you know, these days if if you know, the husband is no longer there or the father of the children.

Some man should step up and at least be a I don't know if substitute's the right word, but But you know, let's uh uh uh put theirself in the place Of what that child needs as far as a father. It doesn't necessarily mean he might have to marry the mother, just you know, to to give the child uh a father figure. Yes. Well, that is the point, right? I couldn't agree with you more, Pam, that we love one another.

And if you're in a situation, especially where you have a relative. Like that, stepping up is a big part of the deal. And I got to tell you, too, Pam, that. You know, that's really compelling. And I think it's an important thing to say.

Um On a lot of levels, God's word doesn't change. It is the same. It was the same. It says, Thy word was established forever, which means. Before all time and after all time, it's there.

You know, our our role is to try to discern, you know, what what is meant and how to uh Uh follow the Spirit in all that and and I love your heart. Mm-hmm.

So thank you for your call. Thank you.

I appreciate you so much. God bless you. Have a great week. God bless. Thank you.

You too. Thank you.

Bye-bye. All right, 866-348. I know you want in on this, why not? 866-348-7884. Should women be preachers?

We got Laura. is in Utah. All right, we're hearing from out west. Laura, you're on True Talk Live. Oh, thank you very much.

I'm a Southern Baptist woman. And I believe God's word is what God's word is, and He means what He put together for a reason. He gave us a pattern that we don't have the right to change. If we go back to the beginning, God did not create thee first. He created Adam.

All the priests were men. All the prophets were men. When Jesus was on the earth, he didn't he could have made a woman one of his disciples and his apostles, and he didn't. There's a reason God does what He does because He created us and he knows what our skills and how he wants to use us. And the man reflects who God is, God the Father, it's not God the mother.

So I really strongly believe that we have to follow God's pattern and we need to stay in line with what He's already said. It's really hard for a pastor to be the husband of one wife if you're a woman. That's where you begin. Laurie, I got to say that. I I've heard some some compelling things said about it, but y you have Really?

Um. You couldn't be more right. Jesus did not pick any women disciples. Yeah.

Um and you know, th there was a few prophetesses, you know, Miriam being a one, but you know, the but actually the prophets that we have, you know, lined up that have books named after him, those those were certainly all men. And, you know, you have Some beautiful understandings, really, don't you think, Doc? I mean, that was well said. It got used, Esther, big time, no question. Mary of Bethany is one of my favorite biblical characters because she sat at the feet of Jesus and she learned, but she's not considered one of the 12 disciples.

So, Laura, being a Southern Baptist, you're familiar then with Dr. Moeller's amendment. If you were at the convention, and you may be. I'm not. I'm not.

But I would I would support his convictions. You support him. I could have told you that back. I don't agree with that. And I know this has been a fight for a long time.

But again, I think it's because we've allowed culture to define the church instead of the Bible. When you talked about Miriam, you know, Miriam decided, and Aaron, too, remember? They went back and they said, oh, you know what, Moses? We're just as good as you are. We ought to be the leaders.

What happened?

Well, Miriam got leprosy right now. That's right. That's right. You're supposed to remember two women, Miriam and Lot's wife. And God said, No, I meant what I said.

Moses is the man, and he's the one I chose.

So I think we're corrupting what God's plan is when women put themselves in that position. And my late husband was a pastor. And so I've been a Christian most of all, well, most of my life, a long, long time, over 60 years. And Okay. I believe that God means what he says, and I've served God my whole life since I became a Christian.

I don't have any problem with not being in that leadership pastor. We got a break.

So if you can stay over with us, you're love to hear it. Plus, anyone who wants to call, we would love to hear from you: 866-348-7884. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to True Talk Live. Today's topic has been wonderful.

Oh my goodness. And we had some beautiful, amazing calls on should women Be ordained as pastors. That's the question today. Is it The debate on the floor of the Southern Baptist Convention in Norlando right as we speak. But we need your voice.

866-348-7884. And God has blessed us with lots of callers. We got lots more.

So we got Edwin is in North Carolina. Edwin, you're on Truth Talk Live.

Okay. Uh my name is Everett. I'm sorry. Yeah, I hear you great, and I apologize. Did you say Everett?

Yes, sir, I did. Yeah.

I'm 83 years old and I'm semi-retired pastor, but Um I I certainly do not disagree at all with scripture. I when scripture plains it can be that that women are not to be pastors. And I mean, people say, well, culture is different today and Nationalities and things are different. Sure, things are different. It's going to be like that.

It's going to get even worse as the days go on. Um But absolutely. I like what one woman said. Can she be the husband of one wife? Absolutely not.

But my debut now was concerned is that women praying in church. Why is it that I don't get that I've uh my wife is a soul winner. She goes at knocking on doors, I go knocking on doors. Because I believe that's all Christians should be doing, knocking on doors, winning souls. I believe a pastor should be going out and knocking on doors.

And uh but he he tells his congregation to do it and he du he doesn't do it. He thinks he's supposed to stay at home and and uh and study the scriptures and preach, and that's all he's supposed to do. But that's not true. You know, he visited the sick, visit the widows. All this is part of the work of the pastor.

And uh but m but All people, every Christian, is commanded to go out and share the Word of God and compel them to come in.

Now, I don't understand why we don't do that, but now when it comes to prayer, Why did that this people think that only men can pray in a church 'cause I I don't get that. Women, I've heard some of the most beautiful prayers and most powerful prayers I've ever heard. I've heard a couple of women. And my wife is one of them. When she prays, I tell you what, God listens and an ear.

Amen. And um and but we don't ask women to pray in the church. And uh the first time I asked a woman that to pray in the church, she she looked startled. She said, Who, me? And I said, Yes, you, hon.

I want you to pray. I said, Holy Spirit laid you on my heart. And she led us a beautiful prayer. You know, and and why do men women why do do men think that women can't pray in church? I mean I don't There you go.

Well said, Everett. That's really well said. Yes. And then God's word has never changed. He knows every caller that's already called into you.

He knows who's coming in behind me. He knows what's going to be on your program tomorrow. He knows your future, everything. You're right. That's beautiful.

He has not made no mistakes in Scripture. No, but a pastor should be a man. It's sad when a man cannot stand up and and and and be what God calls him to be, but that's the case today. I heard one woman say earlier uh that um That the men, I heard this lady said that the men that today have gone way away from God. That's true, but I I think women have made a greater change than men.

Women have gone the opposite direction more so today than ever. And um but That doesn't negate That we need women and men to pray, and I think the greatest ministry of all, even over pastoring, is prayer. And I think God prayed. God said our house should be a house of prayer. Everett, God bless you.

Thank you for your work for the Lord. And thank you for your wife that's out there leading us. 83 with totally different people.

So, what do we talk about women praying in the church? Can you what do you think about that? I love it. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a pastor myself, and I called on one the other day, so I would keep up the great.

I know, and then why is it when you sometimes you go to a tent meeting and they say, Oh, the men come on outside, we're gonna pray. I've done that, and I walked inside with them, but I look around, there's no women out there at all because they asked for men to come pray. Oh, my goodness. I mean, that's right. Finally, he asked the congregation to pray, get people all involved in prayer.

Amen. Amen. And Everett, thank you so much. God bless you. You're having a great day.

We got Ron is in Ohio. Ron, you're on Truth Talk Live. Hi. Uh I was just curious. Um You said that they were in a meeting right now to debate that or what?

Yes, yes, the Southern Baptist Convention.

So is this the first time, or have they done that before? They have done it before, and matter of fact, there's some people are even questioning the need of Al Moeller's motion. But he believes he needs to bring a clarification to the previous amendment. that prohibit women from being ordained. And so that's what has brought back this debate.

But this morning, and I had to leave and get back to Winston-Salem, but he made the motion on the floor. And then tomorrow there will be a time where they will have a debate on the floor. And then the messengers... They are that have come, they've been sent by their churches, they will vote, and I'm not sure exactly what time that will take place. I'm thinking like about 10 a.m.

tomorrow morning.

Okay, so what happens after they come up with an answer?

Well, then it's expected that the churches that are Southern Baptist, this is only for Southern Baptist. that th whoever those churches are would abide by what the Baptist faith messa message says. And uh that's part of this comm this Constitution that they're not going to ordain any women or have a woman be their lead pastor.

Okay, so what about women who are pastors. who say they have a man pastor already. That's a little confusing. I need a little help on that. You mean churches that that I think what they're what they're saying is if there was a Southern Baptist church that currently had a woman as their lead pastor, they would be disassociated with them.

Is that if that makes sense to you? Yeah.

Well yeah, I was just wondering 'cause Uh what about anybody Mm. Just being uh any woman being named a pastor. Would that have any type of Um spiritual consequences, so to speak, versus a woman pastor herself of the church. Or just a pastor in Just a woman being labeled as a pastor. in the church in in the uh children's ministry or somewhere other like that.

Does any of that count? I tell you what, Ron, you are spot on with the questions that are being asked. And that's going to be asked tomorrow morning, I guarantee you. Because we do, and I've served on large church staffs. I was on the staff at First Baptist Dallas, for instance, okay?

And they had about 10 women. that were part of the staiff. But very interestingly, they never called them pastors. And they never said we're part. Anybody that was under Dr.

Criswell was never considered part of the pastoral staff. They never called them that. They were part of the ministerial staff. They were ministers. And I worked for a lady, interestingly, her name was Frances Lord.

And I always told people I worked for the Lord. She never saw herself as a pastor, but she was a full-fledged. Minister, no question about it, she led children's ministry. But I think it comes down to Ron, again, Are we going to ordain them? And uh and then it the somatics of the Is this lady a shepherd?

Is she a minister? And I've had to work through that in a number of other churches that I've been a part of because they have huge roles. And I am so thankful for the women that just make churches, the body of Christ, work. Amen. Yeah, it's a it's it's It's gonna be an interesting You know, A few hours for the Baptists out there, but it's a question I think every church has to really, you know.

um speak to are we going to follow Um Well, some churches, like Everett said, have gone so far. If a woman prays in church, that's out of line.

Well, I'm not really sure. Everybody prays. Amen. Well, Ron, thank you for your call. We got a few more we're going to try to get to.

God bless you, my friend. Thank you, sir. God bless you. Thank you.

All right, we got Mike. Tri-Talk Mike is in Dayton, Ohio. I heard you had an amazing salvation experience with a 93-year-old man today. That's the highlight of my day, I can tell you.

Well, it was mine too, but uh th that's not the subject today, but Uh my mom my mentor is the pastors Mom. I call her. 'Cause he's always too busy to answer my phone calls.

So I call her, and she is awesome. How do you vote? Dr. Carson, I'm on his side. I really do.

And sorry, Dr. Carson, you were hoping I was against you. I believe that the word should be the word, and the word says the word, and we need to study the word and discern the word and what the word says. That's the word, and that's what we need to stand on. You know what I mean?

And um And but I really think that women are such a huge role And uh my mom's uh Uh in charge of the prayer team in our church. The pastor, the mother is a very involved teaches. uh uh everything uh from small groups To Mother's Day sheet on Mother's Day.

Well, thank you. I'm sorry, Mike, we gotta go, but thank you all so much for wonderful calls today. God bless you. Keep up the great work, everyone. God bless you.

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