Will the Real Republicans Please Stand Up?

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And it's been a while since we've had the chance to have this conversation, and a lot of things happened. While you were focused on the blessings of Christmas while you were focused on some really brutal weather, while you were focused on other aspects of your life. For one The federal government released The monthly report On migrant encounters. And to show you how eager the Biden administration was for this information to get out into the world, they released it. After five o'clock, France Friday.

Meaning If you were working a full day the day before Christmas Eve, as some of us were. It still came out after your work day. I can't imagine that they were trying to hide the data in the report by burying it at the same time as this hideous omnibus bill was passed or as people were traveling and thinking about Christmas. No, certainly this administration wouldn't try to hide bad news.

Well, we know why they dumped it when they did, and we'll talk about how bad that immigration. Report was during our time together today, but I want to start by speaking about this $1.7 trillion spending bill. It averted A government shutdown. And there's never really a government shutdown, but let's just play along for a moment. It averted a government shutdown.

It averted the proverbial lump of coal in government workers' stockings, you know, all of the hoopla that you hear. 4,000 pages And I like to put it into context. You all know what a ream of paper looks like that you put in a copy machine.

Now multiply that ream of paper by eight. That's how many pages. was in this bill. The vote was two hundred twenty five to two oh one. All of the Democrats but two voted in favor.

Representative Ocasio-Cortez of New York voted against it because apparently it wasn't liberal enough. and Representative Talib voted present By proxy. Let's just think about how ridiculous that is. She voted present by proxy. Thanks for making the tough choice and showing up for work on top of it.

Well, in any case, Democrats lost two. still had enough to pass. And yet nine Republican members of the US House In the last act of the session voted in favor.

Now here's the interesting thing about that. Seven of the nine Republicans who voted for the omnibus spending bill. are out the door. It was the last vote they would take as a member of Congress. And so they showed their true colors.

By voting for this bloated spending bill, there were only two representatives. Representative Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania and Representative Womack of Arkansas. They're the only two to vote for this bill. and still have to face the voters. You know, when you look at who signs pieces of legislation, it's the Speaker of the House and the President pro tem of the Senate.

So it's Nancy Pelosi. in the House, and Senator Leahy, Patrick Leahy, in the Senate. The last bill they will sign in their official capacities. Typifies everything that is wrong with Congress and with. Our political system to day.

They're proud to put their names on it. And that is what's wrong. With our system.

So, seven of the nine Republicans who voted for this bill. never in the House, never have to face voters again. Why did they vote in favor of it? Is it, as some have suggested, their true colours coming out? Because what do they care?

They don't have to be accountable. Are they trying to line up their next gig, whether it's on television or as a consultant or a lobbyist? trying to kowtow to the other side. Here's a tip to those who have the label Republican by their name. It's just a free tip for me to use.

From me to you. You use it if you like. You're never going To win their love The Republicans who abandon their principles So that they get invited to the right party, so that the formerly mainstream media, the now overtly liberal media, so that those folks think that they're wonderful individuals. You're never going to win their love. They're using you for the moment, and and you'll be discarded because of their disdain for you.

on a regular basis.

So that's fine. Go ahead and vote for the bill if you truly believe in it. But if that's the case. Where you been? your entire congressional career.

If this bill was such a good idea, Where were you all along? In other words, why did you vote differently now when you're on your way out the door? Same thing in the Senate. Eighteen Republicans. joined every Democrat.

No Republican needed to vote for this bill for it to pass, in either the House or the Senate. Senator Blunt of Missouri, Senator Portman of Ohio, Senator Shelby of Alabama, they threw in for it. What do they care? They're on their way out the door. Never having to be accountable.

to voters. Who were on the ballot? Just last month. Senator Young of Indiana was re-elected. He got 58.6% of the vote.

Senator Moran of Kansas was re-elected. He got 60%. Senator Bozeman of Arkansas re-elected with 65.8%.

Well, hey, just got re-elected, can do what I want. Lisa Murkowski, of course, voted for it. with her whopping fifty three point seven percent in reelection.

So, by the time you start looking at the number of individuals who were retiring in the U.S. Senate and figured, I'll vote for it because I'm setting up my next Gig. Three were re-elected. What do they care? Nobody'll remember in six years.

That's what they're counting on. Actually, four re-elected. Alaska. Please, this voting system. Do better.

Do better for society. But in any event, There's seven of the eighteen who either will never see a voter again or just got reelected.

Some of them were were a surprise, frankly. I mean, I I don't know why Senator Cotton voted for it. I'm not sure why Senator Graham voted for it. I imagine they would say it's because we needed to fund the military.

Well, we do. But maybe there are better ways to go about this. Maybe we should have followed regular order. I'll talk about that after the break in a moment, what that means. Why throw in?

On such a bloated bill Not even all the US Senators who voted to let it come to the floor. voted in favor of the bill.

So I have to ask these eighteen Republican senators and nine representatives. What were you doing? You're not a real Republican if you're voting for spending like this, I don't think. Where are the real Republicans? Will they show up with the new Congress?

Good luck 844-747-8868. I'll talk a little more about why. Even if you love the American military as you should, they should not have voted for this bill. I'll talk about that when we come back after this break. Good to be with you, folks.

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Well done. Welcome back, Todd Starn's program on a Tuesday. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd this week from the Liberty University studio. 844-747-8868 is how you can join this conversation. Craig Shirley, Reagan biographer, noted author.

And he's called for Mitch McConnell to leave the Republican Party. We'll find out why in less than ten minutes when he joins us on the Patriot Mobile newsmaker line. But let's pick up where we left off on this discussion of the federal budget. The federal governments Annual year, the fiscal year, begins October 1st. The theory is.

The budget is in place. before the start of the fiscal year.

Now, I don't care if it's Republicans or Democrats who are in charge in Congress. They have missed that for the last several years. Inexcusable Well, they pass a continuing resolution for a limited period of time, and what the quote CR does is simply continue funding at the current level. It just kicks the can down the road. And then they finally perhaps can pass an omnibus spending bill.

This is in no way the normal procedure, and it is in no way what is known as regular order. Regular order says you have your hearings, you come up with your ideas, the budget is passed before the start of the fiscal year. And one of the things that's interesting about people who are on their way out the door is that all of a sudden they start telling the truth. Or they start acting in accordance with their beliefs. That's why these people who voted for the bill.

and never have to be accountable to voters, it makes you wonder. Who they really have been all of this time. There will be changes in the House leadership on the Democrat side, and I really love this. Stenny Hoyer, longtime Faithful Democrat, House Majority Leader from Maryland. carrying a lot of water for Nancy Pelosi and the party.

He was quoted as saying, admitting that this process is unacceptable, and he blamed Senate Democrats for not doing their work on time. Little split there between the House and Senate. Apparently, not only Republicans who, when they have both chambers, have a problem with that. Hoyer said The bill should have been passed no later than September.

Well, of course. Does your business? Delay its budget until it feels like it? Course not. Did you get a sixteen and a half percent increase?

In your budget? or perhaps in your pay? No, you did not. But Congress voted the legislative branch a sixteen and a half percent funding. Boost.

16.5%. $6.9 billion with a B dollars for the next fiscal year. Up nearly a billion dollars from the year before. And the bulk of the increase is going towards safety and security.

Now I have absolutely no problem. with protecting our elected officials. Whether they're in the Capitol building, they're in their offices, they're in their homes. Elected officials should be safe.

so should judges and justices. These same people, however. Who would love to limit your right to protect yourself and your family? have absolutely no problem hiring their own security people, do they? They have absolutely no problem.

They don't even blush at giving themselves, their own departments, their own agency, their own branch of government, a sixteen point five percent increase in funding. Because, well, they need to have this additional protection. It's a scary world out there. Yes, those of us who live in the real world are aware of this. We're aware of high crime.

We're aware that it appears that the justice system looks favorably upon one type of crime. and not another, and the only distinction is political orientation.

So I'm fine with protecting these people. If you're going to be a public servant, you should not be threatened. You should not be at risk for yourself or your family. But don't take away our ability to care for our families. It should be consistent.

Wait, government consistent? Yes, I know. It's a radical concept, but we'll talk more about it when we come back. Jeff Stein in for Todd. Thanks for being along in the Todd Starn Show.

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It's 844-747-8868. That's 844-747-8868. I was going to call this omnibus spending bill the lump of coal that we all got, but I mean, it's a truckload of coal. And a truckload of pork, by the way, as well. And we're just hearing more and more examples.

Because folks have actually read the bill, and it's a failure of leadership on all sides.

Someone who knows an awful lot about leadership and conservative political thinking is Craig Shirley, the well-known New York Times best-selling author. A quartet of books on Ronald Reagan, to his credit. He has also written wonderful books about the World War II experience, the most recent, which we talked about on this program with him called April 1945. Craig Shirley joins us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. Thanks for taking the time to join the Tom Starn show.

Jeff Stein here, how are you? Yeah, good. How are you? Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. And the same to you, sir.

I always pay close attention when you offer a comment, but this one really struck me. And it was your tweet from the 21st. And I'm just going to read it to the audience as follows: The time is now for Mitch McConnell to leave the Republican Party. He is unconservative, unethical, and unprincipled. He is nothing more than an insider and a hack.

Go, Mitch, now. Close quote. What brought you, mister Shirley, to that view?

Well, I think I came to I came to that conclusion along with a lot of other conservatives after he participated in the in the passage And eighteen other Republican senators did too, by the way. of the passage of this uh one point seven billion dollar uh omnibus bill which k Yeah. And Yeah. Said the Republican Party's number one goal was aiding Ukraine. Really?

That's the news. To me, news to a lot of Republicans, I know. I thought the number one goal was to help the American people. people. We've got runaway inflation.

We've got high gas prices, high grocery prices. Yeah. And they're worried more about Ukraine, especially in this.

So he's completely out of touch. And quite honestly, he confuses people because He is arguing for Spending lots of money. When I thought conservatives were about fiscal Yeah. For those who do not know the history as well as you do, mister Shirley, has Senator McConnell lost his way or has he always been softer than you and others might like on some of these key issues? I think it's a combination, quite honestly, is that years ago.

He was never you know, I know in nineteen seventy six He was supporting Gerald Ford over Ronald Reagan. Um And and later worked in uh in in in various uh administrations Um in Washington.

So he's he's always been an insider. He's always been He's never been a movement conservative. Uh he's never really I mean He does some good things. Don't get me wrong. Uh you know, stopping uh Judicial nominations and aiding judicial nominations.

So he's done. Bad. But you know what? Supposed to. He's supposed to.

He's a Republican. Supposed to do those things. You know, it's like saying. I should get a medal for not robbing a bank. No, you you're supposed to not rob.

Thanks. You get a metal For stopping other people from robbing the banks.

So if he behaved like a Republican, th then all you know we're good. But if he behaves like a Democrat, Like on this uh like on this uh spending package, then he needs He needs to go. He needs to go. confusing people about what the Republican Party really stands for. Craig Shirley is our guest on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein Filling In.

So as you look to this next Congress then, You've got Mitch McConnell hurrying to cut a deal with Democrats before members of his own party get the control in the House chamber. That seemed to me to be a thumb in the eye, or just a cheap shot to show McCarthy and whoever is the speaker, who's boss. Yeah, no, exactly right, Jeff. It was hurried under the cover of darkness. Before the new Congress could come in and take control.

And now they're going to try to ram it down our throats with the House vote. Uh it is that so it is it it's just it and you know, the contents Yeah. Money for the United Nations, money for abortion clinics. Money for this, you know, the Michelle Day Michelle Obama Trail in Georgia. It's just Waste fraud.

abuse. is is completely out of control. And much of the Republican Party. Um you know, I think I think I Yeah. For myself, Jeff, but I think a lot of People around the country are just disgusted.

with the Republican Party as well as the Democratic Party. Both of them part of the same corruption.

Well, it's a uniparty approach where their number one goal is to get themselves re-elected and to send pork back home, right? Yes, exactly. Yeah. Good point. You just raised because I you know, I worked on the Hill many, many years ago.

And we were about legislation. I remember one guy I was interning for a senator from New York. many years ago for Jacob Javits and the chief of staff told me one time, he says, Well, you know, he stopped. I was throwing away a pen, I think, or something like that. I was throwing away a pad of paper for some.

He said, one billion dollar Congress. We don't you know, we wanna you know pur uh engage in fiscal responsibility.

Now Congress, of course, spends billions of dollars And Their officers are Yeah. Fundraising and communications. It's all they're geared toward, not really. Except for legislation. to send pork home.

But not about white papers, not about ideology, not about thinking about things. The Republican Party has just become. Just as corrupt. Craig Shirley joining us on the Todd Starn show.

Well, as they always said, watch the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves. My grandfather used to say that. All right, so I recall Back when the Republicans had the majority in the House and the Senate during the start of the Trump administration, and Paul Ryan was the Speaker. I think he had already announced he was not running for reelection. And I was at an event in Iowa where he came to speak on behalf of Republicans, and he complained mightily about the hundreds, literally hundreds of bills that his House had passed.

That Senator McConnell did not take up in the Senate and he feared backlash.

Well, guess what? They lost the chamber. Are we going to have problems, big splits? And I understand that the Democrats will have the majority in the Senate, but will there be Division of policy. Your question is yes.

But it's happened many times with the Republican Party, Jeff, and I think we're going to witness it again: is that there's one side. Conservatives, fiscal responsibility. And then the other side of it, the insiders Profligate spending, you know, rules don't affect me. I'm just here to get re-elected, and I'm just here to send. send money to and we're spending, what, six hundred billion dollars More to Ukraine.

Come on. You know, it's it's what what is G England doing? What is France Yeah. What is Spain doing? It's a European problem.

Not, you know. I believe what Reagan believed, which is to project American power to protect American interests. We have no interest in Ukraine. We have no interest whatsoever. And we we risk uh making this a wider war and possibly uh you know uh a nuclear war at that.

I think we are tread very, very carefully. Yeah. another European war. Have we not spent as a country more to help Ukraine than the entire Russian military budget for a year? Did I read that right now?

I think you're right. I think you're right, Jeff, is that the enormous amounts of money Enormous amounts. of dollars have flooded into uh Ukraine. And and and uh Zelensky's wife is jetting off to Paris on a shopping spree. And you know, posing for pictures by uh Celebrity for photographers and things like that.

I don't you know. Uh I I do I they're not taking it seriously. I don't think we should either. Craig Shirley is joining us, New York Times best-selling author, joining us on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein filling in. They always say you can't beat somebody with nobody.

Is there anyone within the 49? Member GOP caucus who could get 25 votes so that Mitch McConnell is edged to the side? I don't know. You know, y I w I I you know, I don't have a c I broke my crystal ball, so I can't. Yes, in the future.

But you raised an interesting point with your last question, which is that about a division in the Republican Party. This has happened. Yeah. Party, the Democratic Party since 1932 and Franklin Roosevelt and the New Deal. has generally been the party of government and in fact big government.

And they've been that way for the last seventy, eighty, ninety years. Whereas the Republican Party has gone for Yeah. Me too. Under like Eisenhower. To a revolutionary uh Conservative Party anti-government party under Reagan.

So the the Republican Party has had many Fights and many fish. over the You know Eisenhower versus Taft. Nixon versus Robert. And Goldwater versus Rockefeller. And uh Than Reagan versus Ford, and again.

Yeah. with the bushes or who m moved the party back toward a big government party. Is that these fights have gone along in the Republican Party, and I think we're going to see it again. The party is going to subdivide itself. Yeah.

And you're going to see more. House members. emerge as conservative leaders. fighting for a conservative to Biden and big governmentism and all the wasteful spending.

Well, that leads me to this exit question for Craig Shirley. All right. Do the young members, the up-and-comers, those who will be taking the oath in a week, the future, if you will, do they understand what Reagan conservatism really means? And if not, how do you get that education out to these people? Such a good question.

You and I understand it. Uh 'cause we lived it. And I've written about it and you've articulated it. And I guess the thing that do is simply communication, is that like you said before, you can't be something with nothing. But we have an answer of something.

And we need to articulate it as as Forcefully as possible. Possible through talk radio, through talk television, news max. through newspapers, the Washington Times, Washington Examiner, And Yes. our solutions To the problem.

So we've got a great opening. Opening right here politically. by saying Joe Biden cares more about Ukraine than he cares about the American people. Yeah. More on Ukraine than helping them build walls.

Building walls, and we're Building walls in the Middle East. We're not building a wall for it. For our own border, you know, we're not doing anything to secure. our own border. No money in that package.

Yeah. is secure. Yeah. You know, by the million, you know, what, 250,000 came over just in one month. Mm.

Yeah. It's getting worse. It's getting worse. So Yeah, that we have That can Yeah. It's just that we need to have the courage to articulate it.

and stand by it. stand up to Uh what is it what McConnell or Yeah. liberal Republicans are doing. I always learn so much when we have the privilege of having you on my various radio programs. Mr.

Shirley, thank you so much for sharing this insight. Have a very happy New Year, sir. You too, Jeff. Thank you so much. Craig Shirley, he is the author of four books on Ronald Reagan and his most recent effort.

April 1945, The Hinge of History, just riveting stuff that he writes. And so he knows the movement. He lived it, he has written about it. And he is calling for Mitch McConnell to leave the Republican Party. Love to get your thoughts on this.

Charles, hold on the line. I need to take a break. I don't want to cut you short. We'll give you plenty of time on the other side. It's 844-747-8868.

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Listen at DeborahHealthReport.com. Welcome back to the Todd Starn Show. Jeff Stein filling in. I've got four minutes left in this hour and two callers. You see how the math's going to work on this?

Charles, you're listening to WSIC in North Carolina. You go first. How are you, sir? Hey, Jeff, good afternoon and thanks for taking my call. Sure.

Jeff, I agree. Mitch McConnell needs to resign from the Republican Party, as in my opinion, a lot of others do. And As a lifelong Republican, and I've been one for forty two years, I just can't tell you the level of disappointment I feel and the betrayal, I feel, by the just things that the Republicans have voted for the last year. But Jeff, regarding this one point seven trillion dollar omnibus bill that includes eight hundred forty five billion for defense, Yes. 100% of that is all borrowed money.

It's going to be printed. The interest payments on that money are going to approach eight hundred billion. A year. because of uh rising interest rates. And for people and especially Republicans that supported this because of the defense budget, I just want everybody to know that not one dime of that $845 billion.

Is going to protect America from an actual invasion that's occurring right now. When you've got ten to twenty thousand people a day coming across our southern border, And You know, none of them are Russian, they're not Chinese, they're not Europeans. But there are people that are coming here to remake the United States, and it's being done intentionally. And it's just a Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff and I I don't know. I mean, to me, it's treasonous what the Republicans and Democrats have allowed to happen. Charles, you're absolutely right, and thank you for the call. I'll make the point even stronger that as this administration is pushing for higher interest rates through the Fed, what do you think that's going to do to the interest on our debt? Every time the Fed cranks up the interest rates, That is only multiplying the amount of money we're going to have to pay back.

Carlotta, you're calling in from Rhode Island. Thanks for calling the Todd Starn Show. What's on your mind today? What's on my mind? Is that I've been so frustrated.

What can the average American do? What can we do to? to counteract the nonsense that's going on. And I came up with something. Please.

I am going to call as many radio hosts as I can, and I hope everyone who hears this does the same. And just tell the government, we are not going to be gaslighted. We are going to vote for President Trump, whether we love him or hate him, because he's a man who loves his country, and you're trying to destroy him. And that is why we are voting for him. We will not be gaslighted.

We don't believe a word you say. We don't believe in the FBI anymore. We don't believe in the Justice Department anymore. And we are the new resistance, but this time, the resistance is against everything, every word that is coming out of the government and the main media's mouth. You're absolutely right.

And could I suggest that you expand that to members of the House and Senate calling their offices as well to get the message across? Yes. But uh if I wanted to go out on the air. way. Eventually, People who hear it will do the same.

Oh, you're absolutely right. Carlotta, thank you for calling the Todd Starn Show from Rhode Island. A couple of very smart callers. Because we have smart listeners to this program. We know this, right?

But this is the key. And I don't know if you had these conversations around the Christmas tree or getting together with friends and family, but there is this sense of Frustration, yes. but also a sense of we have to do something. And this is the key. If you don't like what's going on, you have to do something.

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That's 844-747-8868 coming up at the bottom of the hour. We'll speak with Montana Congressman Matt Rosendale. We'll ask about this omnibus spending bill. He voted against it. Thank you very much.

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You did some research and came up with some lawsuits that are actually pending in court. And as a lawyer myself, and you the same way, you don't just file frivolous lawsuits. They can come after a lawyer ethically for it. But these are lawsuits that I guess had enough to get inside the courthouse door, but not much more. And since it's sort of the noon hour, as people are listening to this lunchtime, let's talk about food.

And I have one of these in my desk, one of a different brand, but it's the microwavable mac and cheese. It's probably not very good for you, but it's good on the run when you're doing radio programs over the noon hour. Talk about why somebody sued the Kraft Heinz Company, other than the fact that they have money. Yeah, no, it's interesting. We call this episode Food Court, which I think is telling because if it's over the noon hour for you, but you know, people there's an awful lot of lawsuits about food products.

You know, you think you're getting one thing, you get another. The Mac and Cheese story is interesting, Jeff. I'm willing to bet. Not only does it taste good, it's comfort food, we all like it, but one of the reasons you probably have it is the same reason this plaintiff had it, because it's fast. It's not something that takes you forever to make.

There's not a lot of steps involved. It's that pesky 3.5 minute estimate that formed the basis of this lawsuit. I mean, we get it. Time is money. Everybody understands that.

But she's basically claiming, the woman that filed this suit, that that three and a half minutes didn't take into account everything that got everything involved. I mean, you have to open a package, you have to read the instructions. Maybe if you're like me, you know, you've got to find the right pair of glasses depending on the size of the font. But it didn't take 3.5 minutes, and that was time consuming.

So you see that that's just one genre of some of these lawsuits that you see filed, is they are nowhere near as simple as the package would have you believe. But as I recall, and I'm right with you on finding the right pair of glasses, hate to admit it, but It points out that different microwaves cook at different levels. It points out that you have to stir it and let it sit, and all of these things. I'm just trying to imagine somebody coming into my law office and saying, this took four minutes, not three and a half. I want to sue.

I mean, am am I off base by thinking that's just uh a little little too intense on the uh plaintiff's part?

Well, you're not alone in that sentiment. Remember that famous scene in my cousin Vinny where they're talking to the jury about how to cook grits? And how self-respecting people don't cook grits quickly, they slow cook grits. Who's to say that different microwave levels don't produce a different level of creaminess, shall we say? I mean, we like our mac and cheese something like a runnier.

They mix things into it, they mix in melted cheese, some like it plumper. There's so many variety of ways to make it. And I'll quote the Kraft Heist Foods Company's description of the lawsuit as, quote, frivolous, which many people might agree on. But Jeff, on the other hand, you point out that lawyers aren't allowed to bring meritless claims.

So there has to be at least enough to get past that ethical bar. But how much more?

Sometimes judges knock these suits out of court. or rather than later. And again, when you were talking about truth in advertising, truth in labeling. And so if it says ready in three and a half minutes, well, somebody you just know is going to be looking at their watch. Similarly, if you're selling a product called strawberry pop-tarts, just off the top of my head, I'm assuming they've got strawberries in them.

But apparently, I need to read more closely.

Well, first of all, Jeff, if you're reaching for a box of Pop-Tarts, you probably aren't banking on a lot of nutritional value to begin with. And therein lies the rub. You know, we lawyers like Latin. I'll give you a phrase, caveat em door, buyer beware. You know, you've got to make sure you read the product.

If you're reaching for a ding-dong and it's a strawberry ding-dong, don't even expect that there's going to be real strawberry puree in the middle of it, certainly not for 99 cents. But this is the type of lawsuit that begs the question again is, are you getting what you're paying for? I mean, think about it, the strawberry Pop-Tarts, what do they say on their labeling? They basically say it's a mixture. It's not just strawberries.

There's usually pears, apples, other things in there. But many of these products say naturally and artificially flavored. And if that's true, and if you buy it knowing that, or even if you buy it and don't read it, you can't just assume because there's a picture of a strawberry, it's not advertising the flavor. That's one of the reasons people buy these things.

Now, I think you should have a this particular lawsuit would probably have done a lot better if it was, you know, you're buying strawberry puree or frozen strawberries or even those strawberry roll-ups that our parents used to put in our lunch box. Remember those? They claim to have like a lot of nutritional value.

Well, those might be m you'd have a better argument. that you'd be safe to assume the actual fruit. enough of it is going to be in those products. I don't think that claim stands up as well in Pop Darts. I didn't know they had strawberry ding-dong, so I'm learning a lot today.

But one thing I did notice, because as you can tell, just don't open my desk drawer to see the kind of stuff I have in there to get through. But one of the things I've noticed is when you go down the aisle at the grocery store and you say you want to get a bottle of grape juice, and it says grape juice on the front. But if you look on the ingredients label, you'll see they've mixed all other manner of juice. But you also find sometimes that it says contains 28% juice.

Well, if I see grape juice, I'm looking for the one that says 100%, and that's why that's so prominently focused on the label, because of the fact that just saying grape juice doesn't mean it's going to be solely grape juice or even a majority of grape juice. Yeah, you know, labels matter, and we're learning that more as a society with every passing year. We're more nutritionally savvy, we look for expiration dates, and you know, I mean, that's always been true to an extent. But when it comes to truth in advertising, there has to be a little bit of slack. There's no way anybody could put a, you know, load up a package with so many disclaimers, there's no room for anything else.

And that would almost have to be the standard if you're going to make sure you satisfy everyone.

So there's a little bit of slack given companies. What we really look at as consumers and as truth in advertising advocates, as we all are, are products that are intentionally misleading, which intentionally purports to be one thing and are another. The gray area is the areas you and I are discussing.

Well, how many times, you know, how many minutes does it take to be quote unquote ready if it's mac and cheese? How many, you know, what's the percentage of strawberries needed to be a strawberry prop tart? And, you know, with grape juice, I mean, I think that's a great example because, you know, even from the time that I was relieved. Little grown up, you know, shopping with my mom, we would look at labels to see what was 100%.

So, even back then, I won't say how long ago that was, but you're my contemporary, so surely you remember this. Even back then, there was a concern that parents had as we're not just going to buy grape juice and it turns out to be Kool-Aid, zero nutritional value. All that VHT and BHA, red color three, remember that, all those things that back in the day were flagged as being potentially cancer causing. That's not true anymore today. People have to understand that they are also to kind of read a little bit of the label before just jumping to conclusions that they're going to get exactly what the package says.

Well, go ahead and mention how many years because it's longer for me. I got you beat on that one. Dr. Wendy Patrick, attorney, news analyst on the Twitter Machine at Wendy Patrick, PhD. She joins us on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein filling in.

A lot of times the packages, though, are created by people in a marketing division, and so they find a nice-looking picture, but that might not totally tell the story of the product. And that has to do with a honey mustard product that someone filed a lawsuit on, not just a lawsuit. Big old class action lawsuit. Yeah, so great value of honey mustard at Walmart apparently is sweetened with more sugar than honey. And the problem here is that the label apparently has pictures of dripping honey.

It says made with real honey. But we go back to the same analysis. You don't ever want a product that's going to falsely lead somebody to believe they're getting something other than what they're really getting.

So when you look at the way these words are phrased, okay, made with real honey, okay, that's true, there's honey in it. Doesn't say there's more honey than sugar. And that kind of claim, I mean, that kind of sweeps in the grape juice thing, that kind of claim has been around for years that it's not necessarily misleading. But I do have to say, I find the pendulum swinging. In some of these with some of these products.

And I don't know whether it has something to do with coming out of the pandemic and the supply chain shortages, but people more than ever don't have the discretionary spending that they enjoyed in years past to simply buy something, get it home, and realize it's not what you wanted. And sometimes already have opened it and not be able to take it back.

So I have my eye on these lawsuits wondering whether or not courts are going to really take these into consideration and saying, you know, we're not going to put it all on the consumer. We're also, especially in times when we're trying to make that dollar last a little bit longer, we want to make sure people get the nutrition they need. There's always a public value in nutrition. And we want to make sure that they're going to be able to recognize it when they see it and not be lured by false claims that a product is what it isn't. And in a case like this, if you buy something that says sweetened with honey, you probably wouldn't expect there to be more sugar than honey once you look at the ingredients.

And in our remaining minute or minute and a half with Dr. Wendy Patrick, I don't know that you've ever gone to a restaurant where the pictures in the menu resemble what they wind up serving you. I don't think I have, but that led to another lawsuit against a hamburger chain. You know, we see these hamburger lawsuits pop up now and then because part of the way in which some of these burgers are photographed is before they're cooked, because of course cooking shrinks the meat. And that's true today at Wendy's.

It's been true in the past at other fast food chains that you and I discussed on the air. But it's also that question of expectations. And because we only have a minute, I'll just say. Do you really, when you look at that menu, expect to get a product that looks exactly like the picture?

Sometimes you do, most of the time you don't, but you wonder whether or not that's actually something worthy of a claim of false advertising. Because remember, you don't know who's working at the particular chain in question and how well they're attempting to replicate. Those wonderful visuals that you look at before you buy, or whether they're just meant to whet your appetite, as we know they do. Her most recent book is called Red Flags: How to Spot Frenemies, Underminers, and Toxic People in Your Life. You can learn more at her website, WendyPatrickphd.com.

Dr. Patrick, thank you so much for taking the time. This was a fun conversation as opposed to some of the really depressing stuff. Have a very good start to 2023, and we'll talk again soon.

Sounds like a plan. Thank you, Jeff. Dr. Wendy Patrick, kind enough to join us on the Todd Starnes program. 844-747-8868 is how you can connect with us.

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Thanks for being here on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Todd Starn Show. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd this week. From the Liberty University studio, as always, 844-747-8868 is how you can join the conversation. If you're on the line right now, hold on, we will get to you shortly.

But first, let's go to the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line. Return guest to the program, the congressman from the great state of Montana, Matt Rosendale. Congressman Jeff Stein filling in for Todd. How are you, sir? Outstanding.

How are you doing today, Jeff? I am doing well myself. I would have done better if more people had voted like you on this spending bill. You called it shameful. Tell me why you voted against it and why that rather strong word describes your view.

Scottie, Dave, the reasons are too numerous to list them all, Jeff, but I will tell you, it's the process and it's the product.

So all the way around, this is just a disaster for our nation. You've got a one point seven trillion dollar piece of legislation that is riddled with, I think, somewhere over seven thousand earmarks. Earmarks are nothing more than Specific. Spending provisions that different members were allowed to get inserted into the legislation basically to buy their vote.

So you have a single title, which is supposed to be the fund government, and yet they have broadened that term after fund government to mean many, many, many different things depending upon who you're talking to so that they can spend money in their specific districts. And then as we go through the process, Where the Republicans are going to take control over the House of Representatives on january the third, when we get sworn in with the majority. Uh This this bill, this speech Spending is going to tie our hands from really being able to impose any. Reform to government over the next 10 months because the spending is all locked in at a time when we could have used that to negotiate. more security for our own southern border, so that we could have used it to negotiate for increased production of our domestic energy so the energy costs aren't up so high, so that we could have used it as a negotiating tool to get all of this woke agenda out of our military.

But then, even beyond giving away, and McConnell did, and quite frankly, leadership in the House up until it started looking. convenient to oppose this. Then they came out and started There were two hundred and nineteen members of Congress. on Friday that did not even vote on the on the legislation. They were not there And so the way that they were able to cast their ballot was through what's called a proxy.

So they had another member of Congress stand up and say, John Doe from whatever state cast their vote yay on on this provision. And in order to accomplish that, Jeff, They had to sign a a statement that says I'm only doing this because of the COVID situation. This was implemented under the Pelosi administration to allow her her caucus, the Democrats, to begin voting Utilizing proxies that they didn't have to be there because they were all horrified of COVID. And so they left this in place. Two hundred and nineteen.

Of the 435 members of Congress, we're not even there to vote on this particular thing.

So again, it's the process, it's the product. It's damaging to our country. It's damaging to the institution, and we have got to turn these types of things around. Congressman Matt Rosendale of Montana joining us on the Todd Star and Show, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd this week. I had not seen reported anywhere until I saw it in your news release on your website that a majority of members of Congress We're not even there.

And this proxy thing has been abused for so long. I know there was a representative Democrat from my state. Got voted out in November, thanks in part to the fact that she turned in a proxy due to COVID and went with her family on a vacation to Europe. And I think there's probably plenty of COVID there.

So I don't understand. how it is that the Republicans and maybe it's a Senate issue, but you've allowed that maybe it was there was plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats had their chance to do this on time. Why in the world reward them before Nancy Pelosi hits the bricks. Because their members like Senator Shelby, who are heading out the door, that were able to put $650 million of spending for their state, for their state.

Statues for their legacy, for their little museums to be placed around the country that is more important than making sure that our grandchildren, we're well beyond grandchildren any longer. We were looking at $31 trillion of national debt, that our great-grandchildren and beyond are going to be saddled with this expense so they can spread their name around their respective states. just because they happen to serve in Congress. I think there were nine Republicans in the House who voted for the bill, seven of whom never have to face the voters again because they were on their way out the door and in the Senate. what, eighteen voted in favor, three on their way out the door, and another four had just gotten reelected.

So to heck with the voters. What do you hear as you've talked to Montanans about what's going on in Washington? They're disgusted. And here's a conversation that we've been having for quite some time, Jeff. Everybody talks about Congress is broken, that they have the most dismal ratings of anything outside of the cable guy who gives you an eight hour window that he wants to show up on to get his work done.

So with all of these dismal ratings and the dysfunction that takes place, We started having serious conversations months ago about About how to change that. Everyone that I have spoken to or listened to campaigns on fixing Congress. Congress is broke. Congress says, boom, we have to fix it.

Well, guess what? If you don't take out the wrenches and start changing some things, you just leave everything in place as it is with the same people running the show. You're going to hope that you get change? That sounds like an Obama slogan, right? Hoping change.

They're hoping for change.

Well, I wasn't sent up here to hope for change. I was sent to Washington to cause change. And so myself and a bunch of us sat down and said, what do we need to do To restore regular order so that Congress functions again the way that the founders had intended and the way that the founders used to have it functioning. And so there's some very simple provisions that we proposed in writing to at that time minority leader Kevin McCarthy. Single subject legislation.

amendments on the floor, open rule process to allow amendments to be proposed on the floor as long as they were germane, okay, to the actual legislation that we were talking about. A prohibition On earmarks, which is nothing more than the ability to buy votes. It's the currency of corruption. a prohibition on passing bills by what they call unanimous consent, which basically they do with two people on the floor and everyone else is gone. We're not even in Washington.

And they make a motion to Um to uh adjourn the rules to uh to adjourn to suspend the rules.

So that none of the rules are in place and then they and no one is there to object, and then they'll pass legislation, fifteen, twenty pieces of legislation without anyone being there. And then finally, A provision that was in place for two hundred years. It's called the motion to vacate the chair. And what it is, is the ability to keep check on the speaker so that the speaker doesn't go rogue. It was in place for two hundred years.

Nancy Pelosi did away with it. And so we proposed all of these things in writing to the at the time minority leader, Kevin McCarthy. And he chose not to have a discussion with us. Wouldn't even have a discussion with us. And the reason he wouldn't because he thought he was going to have two hundred fifty to two hundred sixty Republicans in the Republican Conference this session and that the group of us were going to be irrelevant.

And so we continued to try and initiate these conversations up until lo and behold. The election took place. and we only have two hundred eighteen that night. It turns out, two hundred twenty two Republicans, and he's become much more willing to have conversations, but not willing to take the substantive steps that are necessary in order to put these things in place so that we can not radically change Congress, but to reform Congress so that we can restore our constitutional republic.

Now, you might have heard me snicker as you were talking, because I knew how the story was going to end. He didn't think he needed you. He was going to be able to have this huge majority, and so therefore your concerns were not valid. And uh obviously he can only lose four. Members on any issue, including the vote for Speaker, and you know this better than I do, but that's the first vote the new Congress takes, is it not?

It is on January the 3rd, we will go in. There has been a contested speakers' race before. It has not been for quite some time, but in 1923 they had one. We've got well over, we've had 13 people come out publicly. Everybody talks about the five, you know, the fabulous five.

We came out and very publicly and very early said we're just we're not going to support Kevin. But there has been many, many other individuals that have come out since. There were 36 members that voted against him in the conference, and we had a debate about earmarks. That's one of the provisions that we need to make sure that we maintain the prohibition on. They put a prohibition, Republicans did, just by roll, not by law, back in, I think it was either 2006, 2008.

And so they stopped using this swampy technique to get money into legislation that basically votes from these members. And oh, guess who has control over that money? where it goes to and who gets to spend it. The speaker. Yes.

Yeah. We had fifty two. Fifty two members stood up and voted against earmarks that day. Hmm. Nothing is swampier than the stuff that you're describing.

And I have never met Representative McCarthy, but I did talk with someone whose judgment I trust here in the state of Iowa. Representative McCarthy was campaigning for a Republican, and the person I talked to said it appeared that Mr. McCarthy basically was out for himself. and that was the impression he was giving to people. And I will not ask you to weigh in on that, but I will ask as a final couple of questions here.

Are you voting for Kevin McCarthy on January 3rd, and who will be the next Speaker of the House? Two-part question, sir.

Okay, so the first part will make it real easy. No, I am not. I cannot. In good faith, do that. Tend McCarthy doesn't believe in anything.

Except the next wrong on the ladder, Jeff, for himself. And he makes whatever deal is necessary to climb up. Using other people's money. Contributors, lobbyists, and/or taxpayers' dollars to the legislation that he allows to go forward. And That is why he is horrified of the motion to vacate the chair Because It's the only tool that we have to keep them in check.

And he will promise you something today that may be negotiated away tomorrow. to someone else. For something else.

So i i i what's it the old saying? You've got to believe in something or you fall for anything. And the people believing this, who is going to be the next speaker, there's a lot of discussions taking place right now with people that are members of Congress The conversations about someone from outside of Congress have finally pretty much been put to rest. But there are members within Congress, now that they recognize that Kevin is not going to have the votes, they are willing to put their hand up quietly that they see that the crown has been toppled. But they still haven't come out real aggressively yet because.

He still has the ability to impose his retribution upon everyone. Why is it, I've got a question for you. Why is it that we have not designated Every single person for every committee, populated our committees with the chairs. No reason. We know who's going to be serving in Congress.

We know who everybody is. The steering committee, which actually meets and has these conversations, has done their work. Why haven't they been seated? because that is yet another That is another provision that can be held against someone to call it what you want. There's a lot of fancy terms for it, but leverage, negotiations, but it's blackmail.

If you don't vote the right way, you're not going to get your seat. And that's all it boils down to. I was thinking of the word blackmail as you spoke it, Congressman, and there's no better way to phrase it. I thank you so much for your candor and for your passion, and we look forward to seeing how this turns out. Happy New Year to you and yours, and good luck on this effort when it comes time to vote.

Hey, thanks to you and thanks to all your listeners because you're the folks that are that are holding government accountable. Congressman Matt Rosendale of the state of Montana joining us on the Todd Starn show, making it very clear he will not be voting for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker when they convene on January 3rd. When we come back, I'm going to answer a question that a caller had who had to leave, but stay tuned. I'll tell you the answer to the caller's question. When we come back, 844-747-8868, join the conversation from the Liberty University Studio yourself.

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So we'll have Carrie Lake and Frank Pavone both in our next hour, and hopefully you as well, as we're here in the Liberty University studio. Jim called in from North Carolina at 844-747-8868 and had to drop off because he has a life and can't just sit on the phone waiting for a talk show host to take the call. But he had a question, and I want to answer it in our remaining moments. His question was, What's the process for the Senate to get rid of Mitch McConnell?

Well that Has to do with the Republican caucus. McConnell is the Senate minority leader, minority party being the Republicans. There are 49 Republicans who will be serving in the new Congress. Twenty five have to select someone else. That's it.

It's as simple as that. The caucus meets and decides who will be the leader. And so far, no one has been able to get 25 votes, the majority. That's why after the election McConnell couldn't wait to hold the vote. Didn't even want to wait to see if Herschel Walker would have won in Georgia.

Didn't want momentum to gather behind Rick Scott or someone else, arguably.

So, because it's a secret ballot behind closed doors. And I understand that process and respect it. But there were 49 people voting. and at least twenty five voted for Mitch McConnell. And until that changes?

There will be no change.

So, as we mentioned in the previous hour, you can't replace somebody with nobody.

So who is it going to be out of the remaining forty eight? Yeah, forty nine Republican senators. You take McConnell off that list, now you're at forty eight. Who among the men and women in that forty eight Can get 25 votes to become the new leader of Republicans in the U.S. Senate.

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And we'll have time for calls in the last half hour of the program today. There is a sense, and I don't think it's just with the people calling, I think it is pretty rampant around this country. there is a sense of frustration. There is a sense of how do we get better. Because we deserve better.

We had a caller in the last half hour say, All right, you've made the case against Mitch McConnell. How do you get rid of him?

Well, it's got to come from within that group of Republicans. Same thing when we're talking about the U.S. House and the Speaker issue. We'll talk about those in the next half hour. Joining us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line is the Republican candidate for Governor of Arizona, Carrie Lake.

Ms. Lake Jeff Stein calling in from Iowa, filling in for Todd today. How are you? I'm doing great, Jeff. I'm doing great.

Good to hear. Good to be on today. Good to talk with another Iowan. And I promise not to talk about our time at the University of Iowa. I was there a bit ahead of you, but you have had, well, this is a lump of coal, a Christmas Eve court ruling.

For those who might have been paying attention to family, what happened over the weekend with this court ruling, please?

Well, unfortunately, the judge ruled against us. And that is unfortunate. We have a very strong case. I think this is the strongest election case the country has ever seen. We were able to argue two counts out of nearly ten.

The judge allowed for that. And we presented more than one thousand pages of evidence sworn declarations of people who worked at MICPEC, which is where they count the votes, were at the ballot printing facility. Talking about a zero chain of custody involving hundreds of thousands of ballots. Not to mention the fact on election day in Maricopa County, where the majority of the population for Arizona resides. On election day, when the Republicans and our supporters showed up to vote, they decided to switch things up with their ballot printers and print a nineteen inch image on a twenty inch ballot paper.

And that caused the tabulators to jam. It caused lines of three to four to five hours. It disenfranchised. hundreds of thousands of people. Who were out to vote, and many people just walked away because they couldn't wait in line any longer.

And we presented that in court with an excellent case. If any of your listeners watched it, they know that it was an incredible case. And unfortunately, the judge ruled against us. And now I opponent, the defendant is trying to lodge sanctions against me and our attorneys. And we just filed a rebuttal to that yesterday.

And we're hoping that the judge rules for us in that. But we're going to appeal this. As a matter of fact, we are already working on. filing a notice of appeal that will be presented to the court today. and we're asking for it to be expedited And we're not going to stop because our elections are rigged here in Arizona and probably other places around the country.

And if we don't have free and fair and honest elections, then we've lost our country. And I'm looking at what's happening around this country and We have lost control of our government. We're watching the FBI control our all of the social media and censor us when it comes to free speech. And it's frightening where this country is going. And so I'm standing up right now and fighting to take it back by taking back our freedom and our.

our elections so that we the people decide. who represents us. CarrieLake.com is the website. There's a donate button in the upper right-hand corner if you're so inclined. Ms.

Lake joins us on the Todd Starn show, Jeff Stein filling in for Todd today. As a lawyer, I know you can file motions for sanctions, try to get the other side to pay, et cetera, but this seemed to be an attempt to bully. you and your supporters they didn't need to file it immediately like this. This just seems to be another act of intimidation to try to stifle the will of the people and transparency.

Well, I mean, it's obvious that my opponent, Katie Hobbs, has no respect for the rule of law. and she's out there trying to inflict, I guess, pain on me, but I'm not afraid of them. What I am afraid of is an America where we don't have honest elections, and that's what we're looking at right now here in Maricopa County. The people who ran our elections in Maricopa County, the two men who ran them, started up a pack a super PAC to raise money to defeat me while I was on the ballot. Katie Hobbs, my opponent, actually was in charge of the state's elections while she was on the ballot.

They've lobbied against election integrity. They've worked to censor any discussion of our elections, Not to mention the machines didn't work on election day, not to mention that hundreds of thousands of ballots had zero chain of custody. It is outrageous. And if we don't stand up right now, if we the people don't stand up and fight for honest elections. Then I really do fear where our country goes.

And this is we're seeing the results of what happened in 2020. With Joe Biden in office, we're on the verge of a war. We have an economy that is in complete failure. We have a wide open border. And we have crime that's spiking, a drug crisis across the country.

And that's because our elections are a mess, and we're not actually in charge of picking who is representing us, and that's why this is the issue of the day, in my opinion. Remind people how many vote. difference was there. And my point in asking is, it could be that a very small issue could have an absolute turnaround in the outcome, correct?

Well, this wasn't a small issue. Remember that our voters were showing up on Election Day. They don't trust the system. They don't trust elections. And so they showed up and three to one were voting for me on Election Day.

That's the fact. Seventy five percent of the people who showed up on Election Day were voting for me. And the only way to stop our movement was for them to sabotage Election Day operations, which is exactly what they did. They've sabotaged election day operations. The minute polls open, The tabulator started jamming in 60% of the voting locations.

The tabulators were jamming. The ballot printers were printing out the wrong image ballot, which caused the tabulators to jam. That immediately sparked massive lines that, as I said, went on for blocks and lasted for hours. People could not vote. They were walking away.

And we had evidence to prove that. We had expert testimony to prove that. And the only way our our testimony from our experts our experts said the only way for that to have happened was an intentional act. It was not accidental.

Somebody didn't just bump into the ballot printers. and cause them to print the wrong image. on the paper. This was intentional. And we are going to continue to appeal this case.

Anybody who watched it knows what happened. They saw people perjure themselves. on the stand And we're just not going to stop. And say, well, you know, the judicial branch ruled against us. We will push this up to the Supreme Court.

It did affect our elections. There's a 17,000 difference in vote. But when you see that our people were showing up on Election Day and they sabotaged Election Day, you really see the problem. And we have we have a foreign declaration saying that 300,000, roughly 298,000 ballots had zero chain of custody. We don't even know where they came from.

It's their legal ballot. But we do know one thing. If there's no chain of custody, they are invalid ballots and they shouldn't be counted.

So our elections are run terribly. They don't care that people are disenfranchised. And if what happened in Maricopa County would have happened in any Democrat-run city, in any urban center of any Democrat run state or city. The left would be up in arms and they would redo the entire election. But because it happened to Republican voters, they don't care.

This is definitely the front line. And the protection of the election is key to our future. Kerry Lake, good luck with the appeal on this, and we look forward to seeing you be properly sworn in as governor of Arizona sooner than later. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Carrie Lake, she is the Republican candidate for governor of Arizona. They are appealing the adverse ruling handed down over the weekend. When we come back, Father Prank Pavone joins us on the Todd Starnes program. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd. 8447-47-8868 on the Todd Starnes Show.

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We have covered a lot of territory today. Call in now, get in the queue, and we'll take your calls after the bottom of the hour. Joining us now on the Patriot Mobile Newsmaker line is the National Director of Priests for Life, strong pro-life leader. You've heard him mentioned on this program before. Frank Pavone, Father Pavone, thanks so much for taking time to join the Starnes program.

This is Jeff Stein. How are you today, sir? I'm good. It's a pleasure, Jeff. Good to be with you in our audience.

So Catch people up. I know it's a topic that this audience has followed, but catch people up about what. Has happened to you over the past couple of weeks, and where do you go from here, please? Yes. Well, you know, I lead what could be described as a reform movement within the Catholic Church on the matter of abortion.

The teaching is clear enough, and everybody knows that the Catholic community has always been clear anti abortion. But it's a question of giving it more emphasis, giving it more priority, especially now with the reversal of Roe. And so we've been a thorn in the side of those who are, you know, they want to be politically correct. They don't want to put too much emphasis on this. They think I'm being too, you know, putting too much focus on abortion.

And so over many years, some in the church have opposed my work, which, as you said, is called Priests Rely, but it's not just for priests. And most recently, they've actually, from the Vatican, imposed a punishment on me, saying I can't be a priest anymore. And it's not for any crime or anything that I've committed. It's again for these disagreements about my work.

So we are actually, Jeff, getting a tremendous outpouring of support from what right clear across the body of Christ, because our work is interdenominational. We're just trying to save babies' lives and heal the wounds of abortion. And so the latest developments are that, you know, I think this is blowing up in the faces. Of those who are trying to cancel me and cancel our pro-life work because the support has been so.

So incredibly strong. I don't pretend to know all the tenets of your faith, but it seems to me that those who seek Power, influence, et cetera, within the church are willing to look the other way if it gets them the political endorsement or adulation they seek. Am I missing something? Oh, Jeff, you hit the nail on the head. You know, everybody knows, you know, no matter what their religious background, the problems that, you know, Joe Biden has caused in this regard, and Nancy Pelosi for many, many years.

You know, they're trying to make themselves out to be practicing Catholics. And meanwhile, they don't know the difference between helping people and killing babies. I mean, it's just so outrageous. It's outrageous enough that they take those positions, okay? But what's even more outrageous is that the religious leaders of the very denomination that they claim to belong to are afraid to call them out on it for the most part.

Some do call them out. I call them out too. And that's one of the things that some of the bishops have said they don't like. They don't like my support of President Trump. And I said, well, look, I'm not making that President Trump into a saint.

I'm not making support for him into a dogma. I'm just saying pragmatically at the moment, you know, and when this was back when we had the first campaign and the second campaign, I said, if we want to accomplish our mission of not only ending Abortion, but securing the freedom of the church. This is the best way forward. I'm going to put the Democrats in there, for goodness sake.

So this has been, Jeff, very much the explanation. They've got their Democrat friends in high places and they don't want to offend them. And then someone like me comes along, but they build up this gigantic ministry that does offend them. And they're and they're in a in a pickle because the bishops say, Oh, we can't control this guy, we can't control this ministry, we can't control this message, he's going to CPAC meetings, he's going to conservative gatherings, we don't want the Catholic Church represented there, that's what some of these bishops are saying. And so they've tried Jeff for twenty-one years to silence me, to slow me down, to give me a different assignment.

It hasn't worked, and so now they figure, okay, the only thing we have left to do is to kick him out of the priesthood. And lo and behold, I'm still talking. Frank Pavone joining us on the Todd Starns program. Jeff Stein filling in for Todd Today. Father Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life.

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So, with regard to the movement that you have been spearheading, where does this go from here? in terms of activities, actions, etcetera. Jeff, it goes full speed ahead. We've got a team. We employ about 50 people.

So we've got a nice big team. We have thousands and thousands of clergy that associate themselves with us around the country. And we have many branches of the ministry that most of the work does not even require priestly functions, if you will. We broadcast, we educate, we do seminars, we bring pro-life leaders together. We'll be bringing them together for a national summit meeting here at our headquarters in February.

We'll lead the national prayer service on the day of the March for Life. In fact, if any of our listeners are going to the March for Life, join us. It's an interdenominational service that morning, january twentieth. And I lead that service, and that'll be that's at nationalprayerservice.com.

So all these activities, the healing after abortion, it all continues full speed ahead. Were you surprised at the move that was taken? Or is this sort of a what took you so long? Because this, as you say, has been a two decade-long Issue, shall we say? It was it was uh what took this so long.

As a matter of fact, I'll tell you exactly what I was doing when I heard about it. I was in our in our T V studio taping uh some short pro-life uh uh radio and T V spots.

So a staff member called me out of the studio, told me the news. I said, okay, thank you very much. I turned right around, I went back in the studio, and I taped for another hour.

So it's like, you know, they have been, you know, if this had been a fair process or if they had some, you know, legitimate gripes about me for doing something wrong, listen, we're all sinners. You know, I'm humble enough to know that. You know, we all learn from each other. We all learn from our mistakes. Very often, we are our own worst enemies.

And when something bad happens to us, the first question should be, okay, where am I at fault here? But having taken all those steps, we also have to realize that, hey, you know what? When you're mistreated, you gotta fight back. You know, President Trump has taught us that. And all of us who defend life and marriage and family and America and freedom, we have to know how to fight back and fight back hard when what people are doing to us just amounts to abuse, cancel culture.

And just like we see, Jeff, final thought on this, just like we see in the government now the weaponization of certain procedures and institutions against one's political enemies. I'd like our listeners to understand, this is what's happening now in the Catholic Church. It's a weaponization. Of otherwise legitimate procedures against people whose views, oh, they just happen to be a little bit too conservative. Father Frank Bavone, thank you for the time.

Priestforlife.org is the website.

Thank you, Father Pavone. Break now, back on the other side. Jeff in for Todd on the Todd Starn Show. Welcome back to the Todd Starn Show. Final half hour for this Tuesday.

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But I want to go now to The line and hear from Betty in North Carolina. She's listening on WHKP. Betty, thank you so much for calling the Todd Starn Show. What is on your mind today? What's on my mind is why bitey?

Why no one has investigated why there is this money being poured into the into group. Ukraine. And I believe it's because of what President Biden's son was getting at us.

So for um What is it? Burnishna. Yeah. He was getting eighty three a week.

So I think that has something to do why we have to keep dumping money into Ukraine, I mean, we're over one billion dollars. And why isn't anybody I'm sorry, Betty, for jumping in on you. I just want to ask, do you think that we will have more accountability, more investigations, connecting of the dots when the Republicans get control of the House in a week?

Well, I hope they'll go after Biden on this Barisma thing. Because I think that's why we're paying so much back to Ukraine. because of of Leiden's sons. Because I'm Hunter. what he was making with burisma.

And I think, you know, uh 'cause The They are not the most reputable people, the Ukrainians. They haven't got a reputation for being so honest and and above board. And I think he's just holding Biden Austin. The key say, you pay, you pay back every cent. that we that Barispa gave your son.

And because don't you remember the situation where He told he told our Ukraine Unless you get rid of this. whoever it was. Uh you won't get the million dollars that we were going to give you. Right. And uh he left.

He uh he left that guy he got rid of that guy. And then Hunter started getting eighty three what is it, eighty three billion, I don't know, eighty three million. Anyway, I think that has something to do with why we're paying Up to you know, what? For uh Ukraine. Over a million dollars?

I mean And I think that should be investigated. Betty, thank you for the call and the excellent insight. And I completely agree. There are dots that need to be connected. You've got this PREFERENTIAL TREATMEN GIVEN TO UKRAINE.

Now, It is true that Russian aggression needs to be stopped. But why is Ukraine the spot for us to dump so much money? We're dumping more money into Ukraine. We, the United States, you, the taxpayer, we're giving more money and aid to Ukraine than the Russian military budget for an entire year for everything.

So, why are we doing that?

Well, is this the last line of defense for democracy? That's what some would have you believe. but I don't know how you can ignore. The ties between the Biden crime family and Ukraine. I don't know where it leads because, as Betty points out quite accurately, why are we not hearing about it?

Well, the Democrats aren't going to go down that road. The formerly mainstream media. Isn't going to go down that road. The only hope is for Republicans to do their due diligence and investigate when. The House has majority control in Republican hands.

The problem with it is you've already heard this administration and others on the left dismiss it. Oh, laptop, that's old news.

Well, it's only old news because you people suppressed it aggressively. From the Justice Department to social media, you are all in it together.

So don't tell us it's old news when you are the ones keeping it from being news to begin with. eight four four seven four seven eighty eight sixty eight. Join the conversation.

So, whenever an administrative agency, government agency, et cetera, wants to hide something, hide bad news. They release it. late on a Friday. When they figure people won't be paying attention.

Now, in a 24-hour News cycle in an era when we have social media sites like Truth, Social, Gitter, etc., so you can get good information like ToddStarns.com. with the email alerts that I just got another one. I mean, talk about keeping up to date. There are sources. That are not shy to bring this out.

And lo and behold, After business hours last Friday, the day before Christmas Eve, Going into the holiday week, and finally, finally, finally, the Biden administration released data concerning. Encounters at the border.

So here's the background. They have a monthly report. Here's the data. This comes from the federal government.

Well, some were noticing that, hey, it got to be December 10th. Where's the November numbers? It's December 15th. Where's the November numbers? December twentieth.

Where's the November numbers? Now we know why.

Now we know why they did not release it until after business hours on Friday, december twenty third. Because it was another example of the dangerous failures of this administration. You all were focused on Perhaps a winter storm. Or perhaps you were focused on The Blessings of Christmas with your family. Or That obnoxious bloated omnibus bill being railroaded through Congress.

This didn't rise to the level of High enough on your radar, let's say, that some of you may have seen.

Well, The Todd Starn show was not sleeping on this. And the report shows another record number of encounters. Get this. Two hundred and thirty three thousand seven hundred forty. I'll say that again.

Two hundred thirty three thousand seven hundred forty encounters along our southwest border Last month alone. And that's an increase of 1% from the month before. Further, sixteen percent of those? Had at least one prior encounter in the past year, meaning they get encountered at the border, they get turned back. and they're not deterred in any way.

In addition to what I just told you, 234,000, let's round up a little. In addition. The government This is the government estimating 73,000 more were not apprehended. They just got away with crossing the border illegally. Put it into context and think about where you live.

Think about a town of seventy three thousand people. That's got some size for most of you, I trust. What if you just took a whole new city with that many people and plunked it in the middle of your state? That would make a big impact, wouldn't it? You bet it does.

Of the two hundred and thirty-four thousand encountered, 67,000.

So let's just say. A quarter of them. They were processed for expulsion under Title Forty two. The very policy this administration is fighting to eliminate.

So, what does that mean, friends? It means the official policy of this administration. is to ignore our immigration laws yet again. Ignore the security of our citizens yet again, and ignore health and safety. Not only of Americans, But of those coming here illegally, as well.

Yet again.

Now I was uh doing some show prep yesterday. And I was going back and forth on the T V. Newsmax, Real America's Voice, Fox News, and they were all on commercial, so I went over to CNN. I figured somebody should watch CNN these days.

So I went over to CNN. And they were doing a story on the southwest border. And they had what in TV is called a lower third graphic. You see the little CNN logo, and then it has a little headline or description. about the story.

And when we come back for our final segment, I'll tell you what that headline said and why it is exactly the explanation for what's wrong with all of this. Still time for you to call in eight four four seven four seven eighty eight sixty eight. I'll finish this when we come back from the Liberty University studio. I'm Jeff Stein, filling in for Todd. So grateful that you're along on this edition of the Todd Starne Show.

Most of the time. The dance is fine, I'm not sure the dance is. Welcome back to the Liberty University studio and the final segment of the Todd Starn Show for today, Tuesday. I'm Jeff Stein filling in for Todd this week. 844-747-8868 is how you can join your friends from around the country and join this coast-to-coast conversation.

Before the break, I was talking about the monthly report. on migrants. coming to this country encounters at the border and again it's it's another record. 234,000.

So, yesterday, CNN was doing a report on this, and they ran one of those lower third graphics. that said, this is a direct quote. DHS warns migrants of Title Forty two enforcement. Low temperatures at border. The HS warns migrants of Title 42 enforcement, low temperatures at border.

Mm-hmm. This is what's wrong with the whole thing. In this case, the ironically named Department of Homeland Security, that's DHS, they're issuing public statements. saying to possible illegal immigrants To invaders into our nation. They're saying, hey, That Title 42 thing that kept 67,000 of you out this month alone, that Title 42 thing, it's still gonna be put in place.

So be careful. Oh, and it's really cold this time of year. We're having a big cold snap everywhere, and so you know, be careful. may not have enough American Red Cross blankets to go around, That, friends, is what's wrong with this whole picture. The government says publicly to these would be illegals, Title Forty two might stay in effect.

Better be careful. Oh, might be cold. Instead, CNN should have to accurately report on the administration and have the stripe at the bottom of the screen read: DHS proclaims zero tolerance policy and resumes building a border wall. Because that's what should be happening. Zero tolerance.

Resume building the wall. And I'm old enough to remember when we used to have something close to that. During the Presidency of Donald J. Trump, Yeah. We obviously now don't.

And when a sovereign state takes it upon itself to try to protect its citizens. Spending its own money. Like Texas building parts of a wall, Arizona with shipping containers, something. to try to stop the invasion This administration not only does not support following the laws of this nation. They in fact take those governors and those states to court to block.

this kind of activity.

So we used to have Immigration laws being followed at the border.

Now we don't. and look at the result that we have. It is not too strong a word to call this an invasion. Because if you're in one of those states on the front line. How is your way of life being adversely affected?

Each and every day.

Some of these folks who came into the country illegally. We're bussed to the Vice President's official residence just in time for Christmas Eve. And the fine folks on the left said This is just a stunt.

Well, it got your attention, didn't it? You want these people in this country? Let's see how it is when they show up at your back door. This administration is making every area of this country a border state. I live in the free state of Iowa.

We have a huge immigration issue. Every one of us lives in a border state. And we need to take action. And that used to be something real Republicans did. Let's see what this U.S.

House can do. when it comes time for them to take over. in just uh about ten days. A week, I guess. By the way, if you go to ToddStarnes.com, you should, and you should sign up for the email alerts.

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This could not be better in any way. Wonderful stuff. Wonderful stuff all day today. The last three hours. Great calls.

Thank you all so much for calling in and participating. If you missed any of the conversations with these great guests, well, go to ToddStarnes.com and listen to the Toddcast podcast. And until we gather again 21 hours from now, I'm Jeff Stein, filling in this week for Todd. Bless you. Thank you for being here.

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