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Yeah, Dad. Who stop me and say, why are you talking about the Cowboys? I'll tell you why. From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Because this story right here, the Cowboys trading for a backup quarterback, moves the needle. Earlier on the show, NFL Network insider, Tom Pelissero. College football reporter for the athletic, Scott Doctorman.
Still to come. Kansas Center, Hunter Dickinson. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Andrew Siciliano. Final hour of the week if you're keeping track.
And if you are, get out. It's a beautiful spring day. We thank you for being here on another day of the Rich Eisen Show.
As mentioned, my name is Andrew, here for one more day. And then you get a weekend. You get a final four weekend. The women are going tonight. The men begin on Saturday. The women are in Tampa.
The men are in San Antonio. The women tonight, Texas and South Carolina. Couple of one seeds.
You caught a two seed. UCLA, a one seed there in Tampa. With the final coming up on Sunday. And then the men, obviously Florida, Auburn, Houston, and Duke coming up Saturday. Ahead of the championship game at the Alamo Dome on Monday. Not at the arena, whatever it's named, where the Spurs play, but at the Alamo Dome. Fun fact, here, let's, let's poll the audience here. The audience being the three you, Chris Brockman, Jay, TJ. When was the last final four?
Anybody can guess. The last final four that was played in a traditional arena and not a football or domed stadium. Was it Bird and Magic? 79? No. More recent than that. Do we have any trivia music? Do we? Anything like that? There you go.
Actually, Jay, you're not, you're not far off. All right. Well, 92, Duke won, but they beat Vegas that year. Where was that at? I don't remember. Can you give us hints? Andrew, you're a terrible host.
Give us hints. You said I wasn't far off. Okay. I'm a terrible host. Thank you.
I love you too. I need a terrible game show host. I need that rich skinny microphone here that he always loves to wield on NFL network. Well, 93 was UNC Michigan. That was in the Superdome. It was, I'll tell you who played. 94 was Duke Arkansas. Our alma mater played in the game. So 96, 96, and then what was called Brendan burn arena.
The metal lands in Jersey. Really? It was Syracuse by Jim Bay Haim, starring John Wallace, JB, reef, Snyder, Otis, hill, Mario. You know, Jason Seppola fun team losing to Kentucky and Rick Pitino, a team that had Walker, Ron Mercer, Antoine Walker, Walter McCarty, Tony Delk, Anthony apps, Jeff Shepherd. There were many Nazi Mohammed. There were many basketball players on that team.
S you had John Wallace would go like 20th to the next or something. That was the last one in a real arena. The next year they moved to football stadiums said, let's get as many people in here. Let's get 50,000 people in here.
They can watch on the big TV hanging over the court. We don't care. Yeah.
97. That was fun. That was the Arizona team with Mike Bibby. And by the way, John Wallace, I'm not telling you guys anything you don't know was so amazing.
I mean, holy, you couldn't have told me that he wasn't going to be a star game winner against Georgia. It was absolutely. I was there for that at Nick Nichols arena. The longer that game Denver, I called that game.
W a E R student radio in Syracuse. Speaking of Colorado, do you have a tape of that somewhere? I do.
It's it's a cassette. Can you post that? Nope. Come on. It was probably amazing.
You're probably going nuts. I wasn't on the call for the, for, so the way we do it, my buddy Todd Jamison and I called that game and we flipped a coin. So that's what we did. Every, for every game, you flip a coin who gets the first half, who gets the second half. I got the first game.
And the person who got the second half, the rule would be, you get the overtime too, because keep the momentum going. So he had both buzzer beers, the Wallace and the supposed time to game a Wallace credit. But we had a blast. We were kids, we were 21 and then we flew home on the team plane. And then y'all like went to New York the next weekend. It was the time of my life. Like it was, it was amazing at Nick Nichols arena in Denver. I promise we're going to get to Colorado pro day. Dion just spoke, we'll play it for you.
Stay there. You asked me, do I have that? And will I play it? I do have it and I won't play it.
But what I did find recently that I am going to play and I'm trying to figure out how to do it. You need the biggest bang for your viral buck here. Sure. I have finally after 24 years, three years, 23 years, found a copy of my NBC appearance on the weakest link. Wow. Okay.
After 23 years. Wow. I have. And it took me getting on to a re a subreddit on old game shows and like putting out a call and somebody found it for me. Like they had it and they sent me a Dropbox link.
I now have it. I got knocked out in the first round. It's not my fault. These two women, three people. No, I got all my ones. Right.
I got one wrong. These three people conspired to kick me off the show. Like they admitted it later. They wanted the loud, obnoxious, seemingly good at trivia guy out of the show. Makes sense in the first round survivor. You were too strong, too early.
Exactly. They kicked me out. I found the tape. I have an Robinson grilling Shannon, the biology teacher about why Andrew had to get kicked out, even though she gave the dumbest answer ever given on a game show.
Not that he's been holding onto this for 20 years. And she says, why? No, no. What did Andrew do? Shannon worse than suggesting that Al Gore fought at the battle of the Alamo. That was her answer. That was her answer.
And you got, well, that's where he invented internet. I mean, come on people. I did the exit interview.
Right. And I'm like spitting angry. And they said, I don't know. And I said, I'm going to figure out who conspired to get me off this show. I don't know what I did wrong, but I know I didn't do this. I know.
I know that Al Gore may have invented the internet, but I know he didn't fight at the battle of the Alamo. Yeah, I did. I did. Ah, I did.
That's tremendous. So I finally found the tape. I don't think it actually aired on NBC. So long story short, we taped it right around nine 11.
Okay. And then after obviously news coverage, knocked out a whole bunch of shows with good reason. Then when they brought the shows back, it was a different time in television. They started running all the celeb shows.
I was just on from random dude who lives in LA. Right. And it eventually aired on like game show network or packs or something like that a little bit early, like in the, in the spring of 2002. Okay. So, but it aired and I finally got the tape. I never saw it until somebody just sent me the tape. It's I've never been on a game show.
Seems like you do that when you first moved to LA. Oh boy. All right. We're worried.
Colorado is exactly what I did. Yeah. I actually did a couple of other game show pilots after that, because all the game show producers know each other and they'd like, Hey, I would get a call. Hey, we're shooting a pilot. You want to come do this? Like, yeah, for 500 bucks. Sure. I'll show up. Yeah, you do it.
Anyway, I digress. Colorado pro day right now, as we speak, it's Chador is not yet throwing, but Travis Hunter. Here's the headline. Neither will run, but Travis Hunter is going to go out there and catch passes from Chador Sanders. Many people were saying that wasn't going to happen. It is going to happen.
It'll be live on the two 12, as I call it, my old job coming up shortly. That said Dion Sanders is there. He's obviously the coach. He's the center of attention other than the players working out. Dion met on the field there with Browns owner, Jimmy Haslam, his son-in-law J.W. Johnson, who is basically like the team president with Kevin Safansky and Andrew Berry.
Everybody is there. The Browns took both Chador and Travis Hunter out to dinner last night. Jimmy Haslam said on Monday, and I was there for that when he made his comments and said what he said about everything in the building, Deshaun Watson included at the annual meeting.
He said he had never met. Dion was looking forward to meeting Dion. So that meeting has happened.
And moments ago, Dion Sanders on the podium said this. It was charming. It was engaging. And it was cool.
It was all right. He's a good guy. And I like it.
I like it. Coach, I think one of those guys is going to beat him. He's talking about Jimmy Haslam. He's a good guy. And I can back that up. Jimmy Haslam, get to know him, ask very direct questions, right?
No nonsense guy. You could see Dion smiling. Yeah, I kind of like that. That's that's the appropriate reaction.
Definitely. And then he said, I think one of those guys is going to be there. One of those guys meeting Chador Sanders or Travis Hunter. Everybody thinks the Browns are there to talk to Chador Sanders.
They are. Absolutely. Want to see him throw. Want to see that arm strength in person. Any quarterback coach, head coach, O.C., any quarterback evaluator will tell you, hey, I could turn on the tape, but it's another thing entirely to see the guy throw in person, to see it, to hear it, to feel it. Right. To see that release, to see the feet, to hear how that ball sounds and also to see how you interact with your teammates. That is key. Yeah, it is so key. Do they show up to your birthday party?
Yes. But it's also important to remember that the Browns are there to see Travis Hunter as well. As Dion said, I think one of those guys is going to be there. Now, was he saying, I think one of those guys is going to be available there or I think one of those guys is going to be there meeting in Cleveland?
We're interpreting it as the latter, not the former. Talk about pro days in general. I think pro days are overrated.
I truly do. I think pro days serve the day two and day three picks the best. You get the coaches, the GMs, everybody in the building to see, say, Chidor throw or Cam Ward throw or see the big names workout. But it's the teammates, the other guys that often get the bump from a pro day, which is good. It helps everybody.
That is a good thing. I think private workouts are worth so much more. And there is this whole sports talk radio business here of criticizing teams and coaches and front offices for not going to a certain pro day. Guys, the private workout with the quarterback is worth so much more. Would you rather go to a college job fair to interview your prospective employee or would you rather go to a one on one interview for the guy you want to hire?
College job fair where 31 other employers are there looking at your resume or one on one interview where the guy you might hire gets to interview with everybody in your building. Come on. It's so silly. All these people are at the pro day. Who cares? Now, it does mean something that the Browns, the Giants, the Titans have big contingents there. They should. They're picking in the top three. But generally speaking, the private workout is worth so much more. And you know, it is pre draft, we're trying to fill time season when your local sports talk radio is criticizing coaching and management for not going to a pro day.
Talk about the lowest of low hanging fruit. But Andrew, let me ask you this, because there was reports the dabled wasn't going to go to this Colorado pro day, and then it turned out that he was going. Doesn't it make sense if you're the coach and maybe your future quarterback is right there? Wouldn't you want to get as much info on this player as you go? If he's thrown in someone's backyard, I want to go watch him because you're going to be so tied to this kid for the next couple of years.
Your entire future kind of depends on this pick. So I probably want to see everything this person is doing. You're totally right, TJ. He should be there.
Yeah. If you're thinking of taking that quarterback, yes, absolutely. But I do think it is more important for Brian Dabol to work the quarterback out in private.
I'll give you an example. So Cam Ward, we saw the Cam Ward Miami pro day a couple of weeks ago. Cam Ward, when he is up under center and a lot of quarterbacks do this. Heck, Bernie Kosar did a different athlete, has one foot in the bucket, right?
So his left foot is slightly offset and open when he is under center to take a snap. If I'm working him out privately, I can say, hey, have your feet even. I want to see what your drop looks like there. I can say, hey, you gave me a five. You gave me a seven. Give me a nine step. I know that's ridiculous, but I can ask you to do certain things. I could say, give me a roll to the left and I want you to throw from that far hash and out cut to the field. I can ask you to do things that I want to see you do next year in my offense, right? It's a private workout.
It's private coaching. You get to see how I am face to face. If I'm the coach with this quarterback, how he takes coaching, what is our interaction and what is our chemistry?
Do I like the guy, right? I mean, these are all important things. Now there are pro days and I heard from Daniel Jeremiah that Jackson Darts pro day for Ole Miss and Oxford and Kevin Stefanski was there for that, was one of those where Dart and his people were like, poll the audience, all the coaches.
Hey, what else do you need to see me do? And people were throwing out suggestions. And so he would go do that. Like there's that scenario as well. And those do happen and tip of the cap to Jackson Dart and his people for doing it that way.
Not to say the others don't, but you know, generally they're very scripted. Hey, we're going to go 65 plays. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. We're going to do this. And when we're hosting these pro days on NFL Network, and I've done a dozen of them at least, we get the script. We know what they're going to do.
All right. Hey, he's at throw 55. There's going to be some fun stuff here.
He's going to roll out, flip the hips and throw it 70 yards into the end zone. Like we know generally what's going to happen. They're scripted. They're tightly controlled. They're practiced. You go walk through the day before. So the private workouts, you get so much more because you can get hands on. But yes, TJ, you are right to your point.
You want as much data as possible. So the pro day and the private workout are both important. Valid. Now people say, well, on the 30 visit, you can work them out. No, you can't. When they're in your building, NFL rules prohibit you from working a player out in your building.
You can do a medical, but you can't work out in the building. So when you hear Jackson Dart is visiting the Steelers today, that's to do the carwash. Like a meet and greet. It's a meet and greet.
You go from the owner to the coach to the OC. You might get on the board. You're going to go to dinner. You're going to meet the social team.
I'm sure they're there, of course, to take photos. Maybe you meet with community relations. You meet everyone.
You go up and down the hallways and people are coming out to greet you. That's what that is. But you can't work out.
You cannot do that. And then each team has what they have. They're called local visits. And so you're allowed unlimited local visits. And so, for example, the Rams and the Chargers, for that matter, have rights to like players at SE and UCLA. So if they want to bring in Carson Schwesinger, for example, the UCLA linebacker, they can do that and not call it one of our official top 30 visits that we have to register with the league. The Browns can do it for like Ohio State and Bowling Green. You know, Buckeyes, that's a big one. So that's how it works.
Anyway, Chidor Sanders about to throw, but he chooses not to run. I just want this over. Can we all agree?
Can we all agree? Which part do you want over? Like the mock draft season and all the lead up? Yes. You just want all of it over? I want to know. You want the draft to go down on Monday? Don't you?
I don't know. I still like all this. I still like it. For the content machine, you can drag it out as long as you want.
I like to also get it over with and go on vacation. Well, it also feels like the teams probably could have drafted two weeks ago. Nobody's minds are getting changed right here between now and the draft. Oh, I disagree. I disagree.
I think the hay is almost in the barn, but you're still gathering data. I mean, you could take somebody to dinner and go like, holy, I don't like this guy. That does happen.
I was talking to a coach a couple of weeks ago, told me a story about a dinner, you know, and it's not, this guy was not going to be a first round pick or something, but you went to a dinner with somebody like, Oof. Okay. That happens. You know, remember these are HR decisions as well. They're football decisions, but you still have to ask, Hey, like, do we want this person in our building? Yeah.
You gotta be around them and play well with others. Do we like them to get along? Right. That's all this factors as well. Anyway. Makes sense. Yeah, buddy. Okay, here we go. Coming up. Here we go. Here we go. Hunter Dickinson opening day at Fenway in like two minutes. It's also opening day at Wrigley coming up as well.
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These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or condition. I also love the story that you've told, and if you wouldn't mind telling the audience here as well, at the combine when you would be pulled into rooms. And you didn't know which room you were being pulled into by which room.
Yeah, yeah, I was, you know, back in that day everybody was reaching for it. Agents was in the hotel, everybody was everybody. Now it's all scheduled. It was scheduled, structured, you can't be in a hotel, you can't be on a premises. And then it was everything was wild.
So I'm backing away from crowds and people trying to grab me. And I backed into this room and the Giants was there. And it was the Giants room and they had people sitting down taking these tests. What do they call these things? Oh yeah, like the psychology test, right?
Yeah, I mean the thing was that thick, man. And then I sat down and they gave me this thing. And what is this?
They say it's this test, you know, we need you to take it. I said, oh, what picker do you have? This is like the 10th. I said, I'd be going for it then.
And then let's just get into it here. I mean, Belichick said he watched you run the 40th. And that you ran it and then ran into the tunnel. And is it true? That's not true. OK. You did not run into a waiting car and being taken.
No, because I had more interviews and all of that. No, that story just grows and grows. It is. It is.
That's not true. I did everything. I did everything.
I did everything that I was asked to do. Now, I didn't lift. I didn't do none of that because Jerry Rice to this day had laid across my arms and had me bench pressing. You know, I don't know where that comes from. I love that you say that when you're watching the defensive backs. I hate that. The waiting reps of 225. Why? Who cares? When have you ever said, man, well, if that guy would have got one more rep, he would have been there on that play. Never. Or the three cone drill. Like, no, this has nothing to do with nothing.
So I didn't do any of this stuff right here on all worked out. And that guy went on to become a head coach of Colorado and a pretty good one at that. Yep. We are back on the rich eyes and show Andrew Siciliano sitting in for rich. Or am I you'll see coming up shortly. I'm at Rich's desk. Or which is furnished by Granger, the rich eyes and show desk with supplies and solutions for every industry.
Granger has the right product for you call or click granger.com or just stop by this guy didn't make it to the final four. However, he's had quite a college basketball career. This is from a few days ago. This is from our vacationing host, rich with the big man and he is big, quite tall from Northern Virginia. Like me. This is rich with Kansas center, Hunter Dickinson. Joining us now, courtesy of turbo tax is the Kansas Jay Hawk himself. He is Hunter Dickinson. Good to see you, Hunter. How are you, sir? Good.
How are you rich? I'm doing well. I'm assuming based on everything going on in your life, what's behind your right shoulder is not being used very much Hunter in the corner. No, that's for in a month or so. Okay.
That's your plan? What is it? What does your golf game look like? Hunter?
What does it look like? It's definitely really rusty right now. I haven't been out there in a while, but this summer probably I spent the most time in my life playing. I moved to apartment on a golf course, so I had a lot of access this summer and so I was able to get out there a lot. Okay. I imagine coach self would say, keep it in the corner is what you're saying right now. Yeah.
He's also an avid golfer too, so I don't think he can say that. Fantastic. Very good. I appreciate hearing all of that. How are you a different player now than when you first started, obviously way back in the day at Michigan before you transferred to Kansas, Hunter? I think playing for coach self, obviously he's a hall of fame head coach and he's really just put me in different situations. I think every coach has their own philosophy and system and stuff like that and he's done a really good job of moving around the floor. That was something that he really preached when he was recruiting me was having that freedom to move around and not be a point forward, but being able to help initiate the offense and get us in the stuff. I think he's really moved me around and expanded my game in that area, being able to take different shots just because I'm in different situations than I would have been. And then just in terms of moving around, obviously you moved from one school to another and the concept of that is still, for so many people, disturbing is what people would say, is that the freedom of movement of players to go and that the portal in NIL, which is part of the reason why you're here right now with Turbo Tax, courtesy of Turbo Tax, Hunter, is changing the sport and not for the better.
How do you respond to something like that? I think with everything, Rich, things have pros and cons. I tend to agree. I don't think guys should be able to transfer to four different schools in four years.
I think that's definitely hurting the game and I think it's hurting the players. But when you're an 18, 17-year-old kid in high school and you're trying to make a decision for the rest of your life, it tends to not be 100% accurate every time or 100% correct. And I think because it is like setting these kids up for the rest of their life wherever they go to school. And some kids, they don't make the right decision. A lot of parents haven't been in this situation before. Fortunately for me, my parents already had two older brothers which were able to go through college and go through that recruiting experience before I went to school.
And so they kind of had a little bit of expertise or a little bit of experience before I got there. But it can be super tough and when you don't make the right decision, it can be super stressful and just super unfun for the kid. And so I think it's great that everybody gets one free transfer. But I think when you're transferring three or four times, I think that's when it gets tough because then you're kind of just not showing any accountability and stuff like that. So I think transferring once is fine because like I said earlier, it's a decision that sets you up for the rest of your life.
But three or four times I think is a little excessive. When you said it's not great for the player, I'd love for you to expound on that a little bit if you don't mind. When you said in terms of transferring multiple times that you said it's not great for the game but you said also for the player, how is it not great for the player, Hunter? Because you see a lot of these cases where guys are able to kind of really grow under a coach. In the transfer portal you see a lot now where coaches are getting frustrated with players because they're transferring multiple times and I think a lot of that's due to coaches like their system and like how things are run a certain way. And when you're able to play under a coach for multiple years, you really get to see what they like and what they don't like whether it's coach self, he doesn't like shots if the ball has only been on one side of the floor. He really likes if you can get it from one side to another back to the same side and then take a shot.
He really likes that. You can get a lot of play in time if you're able to do that. And so that's just one example of where it's like a guy coming in, he doesn't know that. And if he's always shooting it on the first side, I mean coach is going to get really frustrated and he's going to play less than a guy who's been there for three or four years and he's able to really understand that that's the way that he wants to play. And if you're transferring every year you don't get to learn those things. But also just accountability like at some point you're not going to love, I feel like 90% of people don't love their job but they find a way to get through it and they're able to grind it out every day because they have to provide for their families and stuff like that.
So I think showing that accountability and that will to push through things I think could be a great stepping stone for people and great life experience. All right, listen, I'm as you know a Michigan guy, just throwing it out there. What did you learn from your time at Michigan? He recruited me but going into my senior years when he took the Cleveland job, it was a funny story because I was actually going to go to campus a couple of weeks before he took the job and so I was expecting to get offered by him.
Huh. Yeah, so I was more under Juwan and Juwan was a great coach for me. He was probably considered a player's coach because he gave his guys a lot of freedom. He kind of treated us like NBA players because that's a lot of what he known because he had been in the NBA for over 20 years as a player and a coach. And he taught me so much, he was kind of like a father figure to me honestly.
I think he was probably the closest thing to that. I still am in communication with him to this day because he meant so much to me but all the workouts we did, he was not many coaches in college basketball are willing to meet you at any time, anywhere, any place to do a one-on-one workout with you and so I truly feel blessed to be able to play for him. I love him and I still talk to him to this day, he's a great person. You still talk to Juwan, huh? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
All right, let's get to the meat and potatoes, Hunter. What are you doing with Turbo Tax? The reason why I partnered with Turbo Tax was just because how easy they make things. Being an NIL athlete, it can be super tough at times. You've got basketball and also academics and just your life in general but also now that you're an NIL athlete and you're self-employed, you kind of have to file your taxes a little bit differently than most people. And so Turbo Tax has, it's called Done For You which you can either decide to do it for yourself and they kind of guide you and do a step-by-step approach for you to be able to do it or they can have a tax expert essentially do it all for you and you don't really have to lift a finger at all. I think having that easy accessibility is super great for student athletes but also just people in general.
People are busy. I'm sure you're very busy rooting on the Wolverines and doing stuff like that. I think having that sense of not having to worry about your taxes is super relieving for me and I'm just hoping that other NIL athletes but also just people in general take advantage of that Done For You by Turbo Tax. Excellent. Now that right there was a pro answer, Hunter. Yes sir. Absolutely. Well done. You referred to your own personal life.
You weaved it into the Turbo Tax mantra. That was well done, Hunter. I got to tell you. Thank you. I appreciate that. You bet.
That was like making the extra pass. You know what I mean right there? Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely. You know what I mean? You set me up though. You made the first one.
You know what? I allied. You upped it.
I don't know if that's the way we can actually put it. And then your pro aspirations. What do you have for me there when you turn the page here, Hunter?
Yeah. I'll probably end up in LA working out for collection. So probably just, you know, I don't know when I'll start. After the season I'll talk with that and see kind of what comes with that. But just really keep my head down, try to grind as much as I can, try to get better. I think really improving as a three-point shooter, I kind of had a down year this year. And so that's something that I'll definitely work on is to be able to show teams that I can definitely stretch the floor at an NBA level.
And I think that's something that I feel separates me and my skill level. And so just see what happens, take it from there, take it one day at a time. Hunter, thanks for the time. Greatly appreciate it.
Good luck to you in the future. When you're out here in LA, let us know and I'll have you in here. Meet you in person. Shake your hand and we'll have some more of a chat.
Absolutely, Rich. Go blue. You got it. Hey, fantastic.
Right back at you. Rock Chalk. Do I say Rock Chalk Jayhawk? Do I say Rock Chalk to you? You can just say Rock Chalk, I mean, you know, some people say the whole thing.
I just say, if somebody says Rock Chalk, it's easy to say Rock Chalk back. Oh, okay. Got it.
See, I'm unfamiliar with that. You're coaching me up on that front. I appreciate it. It's hard in the NIO because I did graduate from Michigan last year. So I have that alumni status, but then I'm going to graduate from Kansas at the end of this year, like in the summer of this year. So I'll have both, you know, sayings to go with.
I appreciate it. What are your degrees in? For Michigan, because I transferred, I had to like send credits back. So I was doing communications, but the only way for me to graduate was just to get a general studies degree. So it's not the most fancy degree in the world, but I was like, I put in so much time at Michigan and did all those classes. I went to Ross for a couple of classes and stuff like that. So I was like, I need to get a degree any way I can. So I got a general studies and then I'm doing sport management for Kansas because it was like a 32, 34 credit program.
So I was able to kind of do it in a year and a half, which I was like after this, I'm done. Well you keep pooping it up, man. I appreciate it. Hunter. Thanks for the time. No problem, Rich.
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You enjoy the tournament. Now this is taxes. And Rich has got some pipes there at the end when he reads that like much respect. I'm surprised though. He didn't ask Hunter Dickinson, which degree does he value more like, come on, you value the Michigan degree more. That's what Michigan people would tell you. The look of frustration on your face. I wasn't trying to walk you into that.
I was just, I know anyway, I digress. Where was I back to Colorado pro day? We told you Deion Sanders spoke earlier of meeting bronze owner, Jimmy Haslam, who is there. Deion also said this. I think we have the most qualified guys in the draft.
They're not a risk. Like Chidor has been doing it year after year after year after year. Chidor has been playing college football and this, this, this, this, Travis ain't nobody like Travis. So the surest bets in this draft, I'm not a betting man, I'm a golly man, but the surest bets in this draft are those two young men. And I didn't start a little stabbing when I said that, did I? All right. Back draw.
Let's go. Deion's great. Also every coach says that at his team's pro day. Yes, of course. That is, that is simply what you do. You're there to promote your program because a, you love the kids and, and, and B, Hey, the higher they get drafted, the better it is for your program, the better it is for everybody.
You're recruiting the entire building. It is a good thing to have your guys drafted and drafted high. Travis Hunter is catching passes from Chidor Sanders as we speak, looking at some of the video posted online, man, that guy's got, that guy's got feet. Just picturing him in the red, white and blue and the Pat helmet, all the red throwbacks TJ with Hunter on the back. Oh, those are going to be so great. I can't wait, but he's not going to wear 12.
So excited. He'll probably wear two, unless he gets permission, we'll just drop the one. Has there been a Patriot that's worn 12?
I mean, no, that's worn two on the roster right now. It doesn't matter. We'll just matter if Travis Hunter gets drafted, he can have to Trevor story just hit a home run for anything.
Red Sox. Okay. Travis Hunter can have it. It's his. He's going to look, he's going to look so good to be so happy. I don't think you're going to be happy. I think it might be a Brown, man, I think it might be a Brown where Josh Gordon's old number 12, Cole McCoys on a Josh court were a couple of numbers also your mouth.
Yeah. And you, why wouldn't you just drive draft back out of happy Valley? You could grab number 11 from happy that you got to stop Burrow Lamar and Mason Rudolph for the next 10 years, bro.
That's not an easy and easy thing to do. You know what I'm saying? Brockman and Carter could wear Ken Dorsey's old number 11, it's right there. Antonio Calloway, Travis Benjamin, all about it. Mohammed Massaquoi prior, Mark Rippon, Jordan, Leslie, a war 11, Ty Detmer, by the way, war 11. Speaking of this, I've had this website, you can find out who wore. What number for any team ever pro football reference does it as well.
That's what I'm on right now. That's what you're, which is amazing. I found this like a month ago and I've not shut this window on my laptop Brown's Brown's before number 12, like Travis Hunter, Rodney McLeod, who just retired war 12 last year, switched to 12 or 26, the year before Vinny test of word of Verde war 12, Don Cockroft, the great punter. Don Cockroft, I have like 50 Don Cockroft, I have like 50 Don Cockroft football cards when I was a kid, Jeff Driscoll, Josh Gordon, what are you a child, ready for it, McCown Colt McCoy catches you by surprise.
You're just not ready for it. Kendrick step toe. Remember him toe war number 12, Don Strach. Didn't he start a playoff game? Don Strach. Look, the Red Sox get back to back home runs guys, right? I'm not, I'm not, but didn't he, didn't he win something for the dolphins?
He was a former dolphin and I want to say the year that like Bernie and Mike Pagel and everyone got hurt. I think Don Strach, you want to laugh at that one too? No, I was just, again, like I said, I wasn't prepared for the guy that you said, I'm not going to repeat. Don Cockroft.
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He goes, you want to go say hey to Lynn Swan? And I was like, I'm okay. I so badly wanted to do it, but I was so nervous that I just couldn't bring myself to doing it. And uh, and then most of my life, even as an adult, I was like, why didn't I say hi to Lynn Swan?
I would have really, that would have been really, really cool. I used to, before I moved to Kansas city when I was a kid, I, I, uh, we had a football pencil machined at our school and I used to give the Steeler pencils to this guy that worked with my dad that was from Pittsburgh. And so the Steelers were playing, I was living in California, they were playing the LA Rams and he took me. I was in first grade and that changed my life. I was a, such a Steelers fanatic as a kid.
To this day, if I need to remember a number and a phone number and address or something, I'll associate it with a player from like the seventies, late seventies Steelers. If you name a number, I'll see if I, I mean, I don't even know. Go for it, Chris. This is all, we haven't planned, we haven't planned this out. Okay.
This is, this is all jogged. Go through the, uh, go to the pro football reference and, um, and we'll, we'll, we'll put together a phone number for Paul Rudd area code first. We'll figure it out for his Steelers. Okay. Uh, what year in particular? I don't know. May it go like a 79, 1979 Steelers call them up. I don't know.
This is fantastic. I have no idea. 78, 79. What, you know, I don't know. We'll see. Do you got it over there, Chris? Yep. Okay. For Paul Rudd.
Uh, let's, let's do a Rocky Blyer. He's 20. 20. Correct.
Mm hmm. Win Swan. 88. Benny Cunningham. 89. 79. Nailing it.
Or, or do this. Theo Bell. T Bell. 83. 83. If you want.
Come on. Say a number and I'll see if I can get that player. Nice. 63.
63. Was that Ernie Holmes? Tom. Oh no. Oh wait.
Tom Dornbrook. Yeah. Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
Ernie Holmes was, he was before 79. Okay. 59.
Correct. 59. 59 was Jack Ham. 52. 52, Mike Webster.
They're all correct. Fantastic. Pretty impressive. Paul Rudd, everybody. Paul. 58 for the win.
58 for the win would be Jack Lambert from Kent State University. Guys. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd. The great Paul Rudd.
The great Ant-Man among other things. A friend of the program. Clearly friend of the red zone as well. Love the guy.
Just Tom Brockman. I ran into him late in the night after the Super Bowl in New Orleans. I was heading to the airport United had a two am flight back to La and he was heading back to the hotel and he was sad. Chiefs fan sad, was hungry, you know, was a human, was a fan. That's the way it goes. Sometimes just needed something to eat after a long night of the stadium, which your team get your teeth kicked in, but hey, survive at advance.
Leave a week later. He was at SNL 50 doing amazing. He got over it, but you never really get over it. Do you? I don't know. Definitely not. Speaking as a football fan here, Hi, it's Andrew in for Rich Eisen. You never get over those big losses. You just don't.
You just don't. Okay. As we wrap up the week here, let's go back to the tush push. I know low hanging fruit, but Jason Kelsey has taken to the Twitters to respond to an article that it was written about the league meeting.
I honestly, and this is bad form by me. Don't know where that article came from on the left of your screen, but it was a look into the conversation in the room as they debated the tush push and allegedly Bill's owner Terry Pegula stood up to support the proposal, meaning support the ban and responded to Jeffrey Lurie's points. The Eagles owner with a line that some in the room interpreted as a joke that Lurie's future hall of Famer, Jason Kelsey, the center retired because of wear and tear from the tush push. I believe Pegula reportedly said, Jason Kelsey has made public comments about he's glad he's not involved in the play anymore because he felt it was pretty dangerous. We told reporters after the voting session, that's Mark Murphy, Packers team president, apparently referencing an interview on the steam room podcast in which Kelsey said the play quote sucks for a center and is quote grueling.
Jason Kelsey responds on the Twitter right of the screen for the TV audience. I think the good gentleman from Buffalo appears to have misunderstood my meeting of the word grueling. I have never called the play dangerous if the NFL wishes to summon me for legitimate thoughts on the tush push under oath.
I am glad to give my testimony. That's not how it works. You generally do not have to debate potential rule changes at league meetings under oath, but that would make it more fun.
Sure would. Yes. He was going to wear a suit and like, what does he put his hand on TJ?
The script or the playbook? What is it? What is he? What does he pledge to? They're testifying. Jalen Hurts puts his hand on Jason Kelsey's tush and raises his right hand. I don't know how that would work, but you do not have to be sworn in to NFL league meetings.
You might be read in, but not sworn in if you're going to provide testimony. Jason Kelsey's awesome by the way, a broadcast bootcamp. Did we talk about this broadcast bootcamp coming up next week while the former players come in and I'm going to be part of that back at NFL network. See if my, my key card still works. Here's a hint. I don't think it does. I can probably, I'll get the guest badge and I'm happy to do it. You have to get signed in. Someone's got to come to lobby and let you in, man, sorry to be back to old joking aside. It's been a year. Oof.
Where's the year gone? Wow. Anyway, I did Jason Kelsey's broadcast bootcamp, a TV play by play. I was the play by play.
He was the color rep a couple of years ago. We did the, remember when the Vikings had that big, what, like four touchdown rally to beat the Colts on that Saturday, Kirk cousins, yeah, that was the game we did that fourth quarter. Basically that was the tape we did. And he was awesome. Like amazing. Like within about four seconds, you're like, all right, he's got it. We're good.
You guys need, you guys need me to finish the game, the quarter here. Like he's fine. He's good. He's got this, you know, a couple of guys like that, Richard Sherman as well, like you're like, nah, he's got it. We're good.
We're totally good. The craziest of them. I think I've told the story before and it didn't hit me until literally they start rolling the tape. Rodney McLeod. We did a tape together. Brown safety, Superbowl winner, pride of DeMatha high school, outside DC. Also awesome for being great to my 10 year old nephew, Henry, when the Browns were there to play the commanders last year. And so we start the tape and about three seconds in, I realized, oh boy, Rodney was playing for the Colts on this tape. Like he's in the secondary, things are falling apart. He played a cool, totally the professional as he is also great on the field and he's already got a good media career going. I'm like, oh no, Rodney, what happened there?
I'm like, oh boy. Not that it was his fault, but he's got to describe there like the first play off. What did your teammates do rolling there? But he was a good sport about it, but that was one of those moments. He was just like, ah, who is guarding Jefferson on that play?
What went wrong? How did nobody see this coming? I'm on the other side of the field, I can't be everywhere. Just melt down.
Come on Kirk Cousins isn't mobile. He telegraphs everything. That would have been really funny.
If I ever write a movie about this business, that has to be it. Rodney played a cool, like, it wasn't that funny of the moment. We had a laugh about it afterwards, like, oh, all right. In all seriousness, thank you to everybody, your three specifically here, Chris and Jay and TJ, everyone behind the scenes, Michael Hoskins, Don Bowie, Liz, Erica, who else? What are the names? RJ, Monica, Adam, Adam in the back, Sarah, keep throwing out names, everybody. My name is Andrew. It's always fun to be here filling in. Thank you as well.
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