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It is right, I think. Welcome to another day of the Rich Eisen Show. Happy, honored, flattered, moved. It is great to be here in this chair for a Rich who is hopefully, as I mentioned yesterday, holding a fruity drink with an umbrella in it or, or something cold somewhere.
Lovely. He will be back soon. In the interim, you get me, the substitute guy at this desk with an amazing crew here and an amazing list of guests coming up today. If you didn't just see on the TV or here on the radio, we thank you for joining us, whether it is on Roku or whether it is on the Infinity Sports Network or whether it is on the Odyssey app or Sirius XM, however it is you're consuming the show, you're in for a fun one today. Coming up in 20 minutes, a guy that has done what Travis Hunter has done, but at fullback and linebacker, Jason Cabinda, the former Raider and lion and fullback and linebacker, a guy who played both ways and also played linebacker at Penn State.
So it has some insight on Abdul Carter. Jason Cabinda will be here coming up in an hour, noted Canadian and also world series champion at MLB network host, Ryan Dempster will be here. And Ryan, wouldn't it be like interesting if the blue jays won the series this year, just saying Mike Mayock, friend of the program, former GM and, and greatest draft analyst ever walked the face of the earth will join us as well. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And David Lee getting ready for the final four, the Gators in the final four. He's a Gator also like played in the NBA for a decade and a half. David Lee will join us as well, always joining us.
And maybe I should rephrase this always carrying me when I am here. Chris Brockman, Jay, well, you're a tiny man, so you pick up how are all of you doing great doing great. You knew you knew Johnny was hitting a home run last night, right? Like Joe Davis basically called it. It was bubble head night.
Dudes were camped out for five hours before the game to get this thing. It walks it off. It was incredible. Two things. Number one, I turned it off.
Okay. I missed it. I totally missed it.
I look, I had been out of town for a while. It was one of those time to clean out the DVR. So I was watching last week tonight.
I was watching Sunday's John Oliver, the DVR at times at that time. And then I saw on the Twitter or the expert, whatever the heck we call it now that Oh, Tony San had walked it off as for the, you had to line up to get the bobble head people. This was not a first 5,000 in the building at the ravine. Get the bobble head last night was everybody got a bobble head night. You did not have to line up early. Now you probably had to get there early to beat traffic.
Cause we all know, cause we all know, especially with the MLB at the ballpark app, like the part, the parking can be a mess. We all know getting it out of the ravine, but you didn't have to get there early because everybody got the bobble head. And yes, you knew that Shohei Ohtani rises to the occasion and he meets the moment. And he was going to hit one out and he did it barely clear the wall, but guess what? It got out to left center. I felt like Harris was going to rob it for a second.
And to quote the great Jack Buck, we'll see you tomorrow night. Although it wasn't Kirby Puck it off Charlie Lee brand. And it wasn't the world series. It was only the Dodgers getting to an eight and April opening. Now, some of those games were in March. Some of those games were in Tokyo, but they count. Okay. And the Dodgers are eight.
No big deal. Of course the Dodgers right? No, they spend a lot of money. They're the best team in baseball. They won the championship a year ago. The best bang for your buck in sports.
Shohei. Yeah. Like pay a ticket, whatever you pay for your ticket, whatever you pay to watch them on TV, whatever the Dodgers are literally paying him. Is he the best value in sports? So in the sports currently being contested right now, that's a good one.
What is the list? Cause we talked yesterday about NBA players that I don't know that it would show up for. They may, they have nine figure contracts, but no one's ever bought a ticket for them. If this player is coming to town, I am going, we had two of them here last night. We had Shohei who's here all the time. We also had Messi in town last night wearing those awful pink jerseys.
I legitimately was angry. I didn't realize he was in town. That's one of the ones I missed because I would have gone to see Messi.
I've never seen Messi in person. I should have done that last night. I think they're in town for two nights, but I highly doubt.
I think that was it. I think we missed it. Anyway, Messi's on the list. Shohei's on the list. Steph Curry's on the list.
I still think LeBron, even though he's been around for 40 years, I still think LeBron is on the list. Is Ovechkin on the list right now that he's knocking on Gretzky's door? He's going to get it.
He's got to get it. So he has to be on the list because if he comes to town right now, it means he could be making history that night on the ice. But regardless, Ovechkin is, Ovechkin is the one who, unless you're a hockey fan, you don't realize the greatness that...
I don't want to say you're witnessing. You're missing. You're missing the greatness. And that is not a knock on hockey, but he does not, outside of the hockey world, have that superstar marquee value to the average sports fan. Messi does. Patrick Mahomes, obviously. Mahomes on the list, clearly. And to your point, who are those guys that always deliver? That list almost always delivers. And Shohei might be on top of the list. Maybe Mahomes is second.
No, no, no. I would go Shohei Curry Mahomes. I mean, look, this year, this past Super Bowl was the first time Mahomes really never delivered in a big game on a big stage. He also got the snot beaten out of him. And his whole line was a sieve.
Yeah. It's not all his fault. Brady was on the list. Brady always delivered. Always. Seemingly. But he was human. I mean, they lost regular season games.
They lost Super Bowls. It happens. Right. Yeah.
I would have to think that you knew Shohei rather was going to do something special. Because that's what he does. Just what he does. Greatest baseball player I've ever seen.
Period. And I know we talked about Barry Bonds here. Bonds, Griffey. Even Roger Clemens. Okay, go back to Bonds steroid seasons. You could not throw a pitch past him.
It was still incredible to watch. He might take 17 straight pitches waiting for you to throw one. But when you threw one, he would hit at 430 feet of water. Yeah, there's that at bat that's super viral. Him and Eric Gagne. When Gagne was at the peak of his power, it's 26 pitches.
Also on steroids. But it's amazing. It's the best, most dominant closer against the best, most dominant hitter.
And what happened? Bonds takes him deep. It's an incredible two minutes of video. There's some great viral videos going around right now. I think Chipper Jones talking about pitching to Bonds. You remember that one, like Bobby Cox? Have you seen that one?
Man, I spent too much time on social media. When they asked Chipper Jones who was the best player ever and Barry Bonds was the best and he laughed. He was like, yeah. He told a story about how Bobby Cox was furious at his team because they had the the pre-series meeting and he told them, you do not pitch to him in any way, shape or form at any moment at any time. And then in the ninth inning, of course, he hits a walk-off and Bobby Cox lit up the clubhouse afterwards, which would have been great, fantastic, must see TV. And then coming up next on TBS, in the heat of the night, the Brady Bunch.
Always at 05 or 35. When I was a kid, when I was a kid, we were in the dawn of cable television. The cable TV that we were very fortunate enough to have at my home in suburban Washington, D.C. did not get WGN. Oh, we got TBS. So in the south, southeast, east, north, wherever you want to call it, Northern Virginia, technically below the Mason-Dixon line of the Capitol, the Confederacy, but Northern Virginia, much different than Richmond.
But it's, you know, in the south, let's say. So we got TBS. And back in the day, the only games we'd ever get, you would get the Orioles every day because there were no nationals. And then you would get the Braves on TBS.
That's all you saw. You probably got home team sports back then. HTS, home team sports other than the NBC game, say, on the weekend. So I would watch every Braves game. I would time Dale Murphy was the star of the Braves. And I would time, hey, I'm going to go outside and play, but I'm going to come back in when I know Dale Murphy's coming up because he might hit a home run.
But in the south, obviously you would get all those rain delays. And so I saw every single in the heat of the night episode ever made. Andrew. Oh my God. I can't.
I'm sorry, guys. I just, I just freaked out. I was thinking about my, no, I'm not because I was thinking about my grandpa this morning, right?
Getting ready for work. And I swear to you guys, it just, I'm tripped out because I was sitting there getting dressed and I was thinking about my grandpa. I was like, man, I need to watch some heat of the night soon because that's what he and I used to do. So I, when you brought up heat of the night, I'm literally just tripping because out of nowhere this morning, I was thinking about your night. I'm sorry to put that out there, but as you can see, that just freaked me out a little bit. Have you listened to the telepathy tapes yet?
That's just wild to me, bro. I haven't thought about it. Telepathy tapes. Have you listened yet? What's that?
It's a podcast. Go check it out. Just saying.
So sorry to interrupt, but it just blew my mind. Right? I'm glad. Hey, those are good memories. Shohei showed up and Shohei hit the Homer and the Dodgers have the best record for any defending champion ever. They just passed the, wait for it, 33 Yankees, a Ruth and Garrett team before the season began. Like I think the day the Cubs opened in Tokyo was watching ESPN and they had, I think Jeff passing on and they did a, Hey, will the Dodgers break the all time record of 116 victories, a lot of wins and passing laughed. He's like, no, I think it was passing or maybe it was Buster. I don't know. I think it was passing.
Let's go orange. He's like, no, I'm not going to say that. He goes in 2001, the Mariners won 116 games, but other than that, and that was in 162 game season, obviously it was the 1906 Cubs. That last one before those M's 116 games, it's happened twice in 108 years. So no, I am not going to say it's going to happen because it happens once every hundred years, basically. So no, well, there ain't no, and they find a way every night and they're better than you and they spend more money than you.
So I'm telling you there's a chance. That's it. Babe Ruth was 38 in 1933, 38 and led the league in walks. And you know what he did when he got back to the hotel room every night, drank his face off, bathed in a bathtub full of beer and ate a bunch of hot dogs and ate a bunch of hot dogs. And then he went and then he went back out there and did it again. The next night brought me 50. It was like, yeah, it was one of the heaviest bats that you could, you could use back then. And you know what? So hit 301 at age 38.
Coming up next. Can you imagine Babe Ruth with a torpedo bat? Oh, 8,000 home runs. How do you know he didn't use a torpedo bat? What would you rather have a torpedo bat or a bat that's filled with Super Bowls like Albert Bell allegedly did? I mean, you're an Indians fan. You loved Albert Bell, right? He was fun. Gosh.
What theater? Albert Joanne Bell's second round pick out of LSU. Are you kidding me? When he ran over the second baseman? Well, you know, he ran over them because they were, what was that guy's name for the Brewers? Was it Pat Listache? No. That was back then. Was it? Was it? Hold on. Was it a Fernando Vina?
Live Googling. Who did Albert Bell run over? That'll come up. Fernando Vina. Yes, Fernando Vina. I just said that.
Wow. See, I thought it was, hold on. Who did Kenny Lofton lose rookie of the year two? Well, that would have been Pat Listache. It was Pat Listache.
See, I had it in my head that he ran over Pat Listache to get back for Kenny, but that wasn't the case. Yeah. Right. I was at the historic game as we go down another random Cleveland sports rabbit hole here. The, the fantastic game. And by the way, so I kind of lifted the loft into the Clippers game two weeks ago, but the, the famed Indians Red Sox 95 ALDS Bell walk off or Bell game tying home run off Rick Aguilera. I was at that one where Albert went to the top of the dugout and did this right to Kevin Kennedy. And Kevin Kennedy later told me that he, he had been ordered by the Red Sox front office to the first time Bell hits a home run.
You must pull his bat because that was the year that he'd been suspended earlier. Right? You must do this. He's like, I don't want to do it. I'm like, but you did. I don't, I don't want to do it.
You just poke the bear. Yep. You did, buddy. Anyway.
And then Tony Pena walked it off in the rain against Zane Smith on Cole Niedre. Okay. Let's get to the Cowboys because if not for Shohei Ohtani on the 3rd of April, we would be leading with the Cowboys trading for a backup quarterback. I get a lot of fans, including my father who stopped me and say, why are you talking about the Cowboys?
I'll tell you, dad. I'll tell you why. Because this story right here, the Cowboys trading for a backup quarterback moves the needle, this story. And it's a slow news day. If it's, I guarantee it will be the number one click story on NFL.com today. I bet you it's the number one click story on ESPN.com today.
Cowboys trade for backup quarterback with one career start. Yep. No, he didn't start that game. He didn't. Oh, that's right. They played like five snaps came in. Right. Okay.
Yeah. So go back to week 18, the Patriots blew the first overall pick by winning. And a lot of it had to do with a kid named Joe Milton, who can throw the ball out of the stadium.
Not an exaggeration. He can throw the ball out of the stadium cannon for an arm. He can throw it 80 yards. There is video of it.
Look for it. Manning passing Academy. A couple of years ago in Thibodeau, he threw it out. He threw it basically 80 yards into a bucket in the far end zone.
I don't think he actually hit the bucket, but you get my point. The problem at Tennessee was university of Tennessee, where he played quarterback and he backed up Hendon Hooker, then took over when Hooker got drafted Hooker by the lions is he's not accurate. We had him at the senior bowl a year ago. And remember Contra back in the day, when you had the spray gun was really effective in Contra and the old Nintendo NES.
Okay. But it's not effective as a quarterback. That was Joe Milton kinda. And we saw it in Mobile at the senior bowl, Charles Davis, friend of the program, legendary CBS broadcaster and former Tennessee defensive back loves all those Tennessee players and love Joe Milton. But when we're doing six hours a day of our senior ball coverage and you, you, you would look to Charles and here's another throw in Mobile and practice, we were just like, and Charles kept it classy, but there were obvious deficiencies here in Joe Milton's game. So the Patriots took him in the sixth round. That's why he went in the sixth round. And then he got in there wearing birdie Kosar's old number 19. 19 is not a sexy number for quarterbacks. It is not. You do not expect Joe Milton with the cannon arm and the athletic ability to break some tackles and make plays out of structure and out of the pocket and scramble to wear 19.
Matter of fact, it looks awful. Let's be blunt athletic strong arm quarterbacks. Don't wear 19. Can anyone think of one? Thank you, Johnny. You were 19. Okay. Correct. Different era, but yeah, you had to go that far. You had to go back to black and white. That was a person.
One person had to go back to black and white. Birdie Kosar is my hero, but not known for his athleticism. Yeah, that wasn't this thing. Anyway, Joe Milton played great. The Patriots won the game. They blew the number one overall pick and they fell to four. And everyone now said, well, let's go trade for Joe Milton and Patriots fans, Chris Brockman included, got it into their head that they were going to get like a two for Joe Milton. Don't blunt me in with these people, please.
Okay. A three for Joe Milton. I didn't think that, but everyone else seemed to.
A lot of people did. It didn't happen. It's Joe Milton and a seven in exchange for a five. So the Patriots actually get a good return. They take a sixth round pick from one year and they move him for a fifth round pick the next year.
All right. It's not a great return, but you moved up. Albert Breer breaks it down pretty well. Let me read this on the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, the 171st pick, which is what the Patriots got. It's a compensatory five that the Cowboys traded is worth 28 points. The 217th pick is worth 4.2. So the trade value here for new England is 18.8, roughly the equivalent of 181. Milton last year drafted 193. So basically Dallas gets Joe Milton for moving down 46 slots.
It is a good deal for the Cowboys. Cooper Rush moved to Baltimore. The Cowboys needed a backup quarterback. I thought they might be in the Kyle McCord conversation. The Will Howard, the day two to three quarterback conversation. You develop that guy. Now they've got Joe Milton.
They got the guy to develop. And let me say this right now. I'm a massive Dak Prescott fan.
He makes $60 million. Okay. There will be a point this year where the Cowboys hit the inevitable middle of the roadblock, middle of the season roadblock, rather where cowboy fans clamor for Joe Milton. Guaranteed. They never clamored for Trey Lance. They gave up a four for Trey Lance. They gave up a five for Joe Milton. Joe Milton is that tantalizing guy that you saw for five minutes once. And you think he could play. You really think he could play. There will be a time where we hear that.
All right, everybody coming up next. What's it like to play both ways in the NFL? And can Travis Hunter really do it full time?
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Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. When you see the video of you throwing to Tyree, OK, what do you think of when you see that? I just smile. I just I'm just thankful, thankful for David Tyree, man. There's not a better person and a guy who just, you know, who has the worst week of practice in the history of all practices on that Friday and dropped every pass. And, you know, I thought he was going to be the starting receiver.
And then I go, you know, come back and plays that game. And then sure enough, in the game, David Tyree has a touchdown catch and then they beat catch, you know, Rodney Harrison hanging all over them. You know, Bob Poppa give him the call saying, you know, he's got a wide open receiver, you know, and I get up wide open in the NFL. And, you know, David Tyree, just the will, the desire was there and just catching off the helmet.
Just what a what unbelievable story. And, you know, never get tired of watching that play. All right, Chris Brockman, my on air compadre here. What do you tell him? Go ahead. Tell him what you say every time now that he's here. You can say it to his face. Go ahead, Chris.
Well, usually I say it to Sean O'Hara because Sean is here. Right. I mean, there are 14 different holdings on that. What do you say to that when he says holding? Yeah.
How can you get holdings? They didn't block anybody. You know, they let him run in, you know, all four players, you know, they kind of just blocked the ball. I think, you know, holding the guys, holding me, you know, like a defense player holding me, I think you're allowed to do whatever you want to the hash rusher at that point. If I'm in the grass, they can just grab them also and pull them off. It's kind of free range at that moment.
I agree. Chris, you see holding Eli sees grasping. That's what he sees.
I see the greatest play ever. That's right. There's a giant sitting right there. I was there in the building. That's it. And Brockman still bitter, still bitter. I was in the building there as well for that, uh, that David tie replay, but I actually had to get across the street to host a post game show and miss that play.
What had to leave, had to leave early. Yep. In Arizona, back on the rich eyes and show I'm Andrew Siciliano. We are sitting at the rich eyes and show desk. It is furnished by Granger supplies and solutions for every industry.
Granger has the right product for you call or click ranger.com or just stop by. If you watch good morning football, you've seen this guy the last couple of weeks. Absolutely kill it. You also should know that Jason Cabinda has a brand new golf podcast coming up. It's called the fairway huddle dropping now in which Jason's got guys playing golf.
It's chill NFL players. It's life conversations, football conversations, and, and golf conversations. And now let's do a big conversation about everything. What's going on, Jason?
How are we doing Andrew? Appreciate you guys having me on the show. Hey man, before we get into everything else and thank you for being here. I let you know a couple of weeks ago, and I really do mean it. You are killing it on GMFB. Thanks man.
I really appreciate it. I love this show, man. They're so awesome to work with, man. Work with Manti working with Jamie, Cal brand.
I mean, they're rock stars. Hey, and Manti like class it up with the jacket. Was it today or yesterday? I, it kind of threw me off.
I'm like, what are you doing yesterday? Yeah. Come on.
Anyway, I digress. We sit here, Jason, three weeks away from the NFL draft. Let's just play along and assume cam ward goes one to the Titans as a former Penn state linebacker.
Tell me why the Browns should absolutely take Abdul Carter. I mean, this guy is a special, special player. I mean, he has elite traits. I saw him talking to Brian Baldinger at Penn States pro day.
He said he thinks he would have ran a four, three 40 at six, three, 250 pounds. I mean, the guy's a monster. I think his elite trait is his bend. There are defensive ends that can shed blocks, but it's hard for them to flip their hips and accelerate through the quarterback. There's not one defensive end and this entire draft that does it better than Abdul Carter.
He can bend. He can play multiple positions. And mind you, this was his first year playing at defensive end. He's been a standup linebackers whole career first year at defensive end. He's a first team AP, all American 12 and a half sacks, 24 TFLs that led the nation. The guy's an absolute stud. And when I saw Micah Parsons coming out of that draft a few years ago, I would have never thought that I would have a player that I could compare to Micah Parsons. I mean, this guy can come out and be a Micah Parsons 2.0.
And I really truly mean that he is that special. All right. The opposing opinion opinion in Brown's world is this. We need playmakers.
Okay. Like we have Miles Garrett. Jim Schwartz is going to engineer a pass rush one way or the other. Shouldn't Travis Hunter be the pick? Jason, what would Abdul Carter do for Miles Garrett or vice versa? And that's what I think about when I think about the Cleveland Browns trading him. I mean, to have the nightmare of Miles Garrett and Abdul Carter on both sides and having to pay them almost the same amount of attention. Normally you have one guy on one side, you got to worry about to have to worry about both edges, your left tackle and your right tackle, having to play very, very strong games.
It's just very unlikely. I mean, it just creates such an issue for offenses to have to deal with two very bona fide pass rushers. And the great thing about Abdul Carter is this guy is still ascending. Like I said, it was his first year playing defensive end. I just think that him opposite of Miles Garrett is going to open so much up for that team. And they were already a really solid defensive team last year. But to be able to marry the pass rush with the coverage and for those corners to go out there with the confidence of knowing that they only got a cover for about three or four seconds, every single snap. I think that's huge for that defense. And it's, it opens up a whole lot for the defensive coordinator. Talking to Jason Cabinda here now on GMFB has new golf podcast as well.
Get to that in a second. Don't want to just focus too much on the Browns, but if it isn't Abdul Carter, it could be Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter is going somewhere in the top four. We would have to think, Jason, you played both sides of the ball, not necessarily at the same time, but you played fullback and you played linebacker in the NFL. Travis Hunter averaged 111.5 snaps a game at Colorado. Can he legitimately play 111 snaps a game on both sides of the ball in the NFL and survive? Well, what I'll say is number one, Travis Hunter is a very special athlete and it takes an elite level of conditioning to do what he did at the college level. Now, with that being said, the NFL is a whole different monster. Do I think this guy has a talent to play both ways?
Absolutely. I mean, he has shown it time and time again at Colorado to do it at the NFL level. It's not just about what you can physically do, but what you can take from a capacity level mentally. I mean, the playbooks and the NFL both offensively and defensively are a lot more extensive than what he had to learn in college. Does he have the mental capacity to handle all of those plays on a week-to-week basis and being able to make tweaks based on different teams and different looks, different coverages, and all those types of things?
That's to be said, and they'll learn that very quickly. I'm sure he's going to go into rookie minicamp, he's going to go into training camp, and they're going to throw a lot out of him right now. And I'm sure in those first two or three weeks, they're going to learn a whole lot about what he can handle from a mental standpoint. But I think physically, I mean, I know he's on the smaller side, but if you look at his tape at Colorado, this isn't a guy that gets crushed a lot. I mean, he knows how to dance, make people miss. He's very fast. He's really good at manipulating his speed as a receiver, which is a very tough thing to do. So I think that's to be said if he can do it. I think the biggest challenge for him, the biggest hump he'll have to overcome is what he's going to have to do mentally from a playbook standpoint.
Okay, so along those lines, help me out here. I personally would think it makes more sense to play him at corner and then like have a package for him offensively and throw him in. How many ever plays a game you feel comfortable? The opposite would be say he's a full-time wide receiver and then what? I mean, like throw him in when you're in dime.
I mean, does that make sense? I think it makes more sense for him to be a full-time defensive player. And then he has his certain package of plays at wide receiver on offense that the coach knows, hey, I feel very, very comfortable putting Travis in and being able to execute X, Y and Z plays. I think to have an expectation as a rookie to come in and have the entire offensive playbook from a wide receiver standpoint known and memorized, and then also from a defensive standpoint, I just don't think that makes sense to do. And I think that's just a lot, a lot of onus to put on a rookie his first year. Totally with you.
I'm curious as well. Your opinion, having played both fullback and linebacker on the Tush push debate, Jason, my gut after going to the annual meeting a couple of days ago in Florida, my gut is that they're going to be able to get eight more votes. I think we're moving towards seeing it go away.
Yeah. And the counter argument to the Tush push is the fact that defensive players aren't allowed to push their defense alignment forward. So there's really no way to counter this play. Now, I don't necessarily see the Tush push being banned in terms of the play itself, but I do know that at league meetings, it was discussed the rule that was back in 2005 that got amended because it used to be prohibited for players to push or pull in order to advance players forward. I have heard that there are talks that that rule that got amended in 2005 and 2005 may be coming back. And it's possible that the prohibition of both pushing and pulling players in order to advance them forward could be banned. And if that ends up being the case, then that would render the Tush push play and being illegal altogether and not being able to be used at all.
And we'd go back to the traditional quarterback sneak with nobody pushing them at all. But what do you think should be because they're using the safety argument. There haven't been many injuries, honestly. There haven't been any at all.
I literally said zero. Yeah. The injury concern is more. It's not on Jalen Hurts or anyone in that scrum.
It's everywhere else, as you just said, everywhere else on the field. Like if if they're allowed to push Jalen Hurts, why? Why isn't the defense allowed to gang tackle and carry Devante Smith back 15 yards?
I agree. And when you look at the commanders and what they did against the Eagles, guys jumping over the pile, I think the NFL is getting scared that they that may become the norm in order to stop this play. And guys in the air landing on top of guys on the pile, I think that is where the proactiveness comes from in terms of injury concerns and things of that nature. Because that's really the first time we've seen a team truly try to continuously jump over the pile in order to stop this play.
And I know for a fact that is not what the NFL wants to see. But I personally love the Tush push play. I truly feel like it has all the core elements of what football is all about.
Big men pushing up front, guys straining, guys finishing, you know, things of that nature. I think it's will against will. You know, it's a play that doesn't take a whole lot of talent, but it takes all the will. And I think that's what football's all about. So I'm not in favor of this play being banned, but I understand from a standpoint of how this thing can evolve and what defense will start to do to stop it. And I think that's where the injury concerns start to come in.
All right, Jason, I'm going to here's an unpopular opinion here. Go back to the playoff game, the NFC Championship game with Frankie Louvou jumping over the top. And I agree with you. They want to take that away. They want to make sure that was an ugly look.
They want to make sure that doesn't happen again. Shouldn't that be a personal foul when he hit Jalen Hurts? Because let's say he was lined up on edge.
Okay. And let's say he went right around the tackle. They're going to blow the whistle if he's offsides. That's unabated to the quarterback. And if he continued and hit Jalen Hurts, that's 15 yards. So if he's going to go over the top and hit the quarterback, even if it's not bad contact, you are still hitting the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage. When you're going offsides, that should be 15 yards. I hear the argument for it, but what I will say is then what is the difference between a defensive tackle flinching or shooting his hands into the center because he thought the ball was going to be snapped? That's normally just an encroachment penalty. I understand we're really sensitive when the quarterback gets hit and thinking of it as a personal foul, maybe unnecessary. That's why we blow the whistle.
No, no, no, no, no, stop. Don't let him. Don't let him get to the quarterback. Blow the whistle like the referee runs in waving his arms. Don't don't touch him.
Right. Well, Frankie Louvou had a short distance to go. We just went over the top. I'm not saying he's a bad guy or a dirty guy. I see what he was trying to do, but he got to the quarterback. You go back to Troy Polamalu years ago as well.
Oh, it's so cute. He's got long hair. He's jumping over the line. Right. But he hit the quarterback. Shouldn't that be a personal foul?
Yes. And I think that is the wormhole that the NFL doesn't want to open because now everything's going to be open to interpretation. Now things are going to get confusing because it's not something that they're used to ruling. It's not something that they're used to seeing. We see on field goals all the time. It is a penalty for a guy to put their hand on top of the offensive lineman and use them as leverage in order to jump over in order to block the kick. So I think they're going to start looking at that same type of way and say, hey, we don't want guys, we don't want guys jumping over the pile at all. We're going to start to penalize this.
All right. Let's talk about the golf podcast because I've seen some of the clips, man. This is going to be great. It's called, and this is your show, your idea, your thing, building your own business. It is called the fairway huddle. And it's a bunch of really good NFL names. You're talking about life. You're talking about golf.
You're talking about the NFL. It's got a high stakes, $10,000 two man scramble as well at loop 19. This is, this is pretty cool. You got Saquon, you got Pacman, you got golden take at Xavier Restrepo.
You got speaking of Penn state guys that have played two positions, Nick Scott, Courtland Sutton, man. This is pretty cool. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I'm bringing guys in, I'm a member at this private indoor golf club called loop 19 down at Fort Lauderdale. So I bring these guys in, we play a two man scramble over on pebble beach and it's basically a competition series.
At the end of the series, whoever scores the lowest score will win $10,000. As you guys know, back in 2021, I was a Walter paid man of the year nominee. So, you know, charity and giving back is really huge for me.
And I thought that being able to incorporate that into this show would be great. So half of that prize money is going to actually go to that player's charity of choice. The other half goes in the player's pocket because we love competition. And then every player that comes on the show is going to get $2,000 of house betting money to bet against me on any shot, 185 yards and in a must land on the green to count. And then while we're playing, we're obviously having conversations about the locker room, about their careers, about the culture of their teams, the off season because some guys are free agents and really just diving into really deep conversation.
A lot of the things that many fans don't get to hear and getting these guys to open up about their struggles and really the difficulties of the NFL that not everybody gets a chance to talk about. That's good stuff. And again, it's for charity. We could find it on YouTube, right? Where else?
Yes, sir. On YouTube or any of state media's channels, state media, Apple podcasts, it'll be on YouTube. We'll be posting a ton of reels, Instagram, TikTok.
You can follow me at Jason Cabinda on all of those platforms. We'll have a ton of content and even blooper content of some bad shots getting posted up there. When are we going to get, speaking of Penn State, Micah on to talk about his relationship with the owner in Dallas and that contract, which is probably 41 a year? I would absolutely love to get Micah on the show. I'm trying to steer this towards guys who are big golfers. I don't believe Micah is a big golfer. See, but that makes for a great blooper reel.
You want a blooper reel. You need the bad golfers on as well. The thing with Micah is though, Micah wants to win at absolutely everything. I mean, this is one of the most competitive guys that I know.
He thinks he can win at absolutely anything and everything. And I think the fact that he's not great at golf may not entice him to come on the show, but we will see. We're going to start the campaign for Micah Parsons right here and right now.
So we can dive into that relationship with Jerry Jones. Let's do it. That's a whole other show, a bad golf show. Brockman, we should pitch that. A bad golf show.
Let's go. Right here, buddy. Jason Cabinda. The Fairway Huddle is the new golf podcast. Check it out on YouTube.
Check him out as well on GMFB on NFL Network. Jason, great idea, man. Thanks for coming on. Good luck to you, sir.
Hope to see you soon. Thank you so much, Andrew. Appreciate you guys. You got it, man. Jason Cabinda, everybody.
And I mean it. He does a really good job on GMFB. A couple of years ago, Jason was part of the broadcast bootcamp at NFL Network, right? Which is going next week here in Los Angeles. So a long list of both former and current NFL players come in and it's like a three-day seminar, whether it's podcasting or play by or analysis as a play-by-play person or with a play-by-play person, radio and television, network studio stuff.
You bring in network executives and producers from all around, and then you bring in a bunch of broadcasters. I'm going to be part of it again this year as well. It's a really cool experience. And Jason is a great example of a guy that went through that, finished his playing career and is killing it now in the media world. Other guys who have gone through that I've worked with, Jason Kelsey, you do right immediately. Oh, this guy's going to be pretty good, Jason. You might have a future here. Worked with Richard Sherman. Pretty good. Pretty good. You might have a future here, buddy. Jason McCourty, I think you should hire this guy.
Worked out well for all of them. Okay, coming up. I don't know. We'll think of something. No, coming up, we have dates you need to know now about the NFL. News handed down today by the league.
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You know, all the starving Cowboys fans are waiting for the return of the Lombardi. That was a special night. I tell you, it was special hearing the call right there. It's the first time I've ever heard it.
Are you serious? Yeah, no, I've never gone back and watched any of my telecast at games and Dick Enberg is someone who's very dear to my family from the standpoint that my mom grew up an Angels fan and listened to him broadcast those games and then all of a sudden he was broadcasting my games. And so to actually, I've seen the footage, but to actually hear Dick Enberg's call on that, I don't know, it kind of gave me chills there for a minute, but yeah, that, that night was magical for, for a lot of reasons. One of which it was at the Rose bowl where I'd spend my collegiate years at UCLA and practice there at UCLA. And then as a quarterback, especially for a quarterback taken in the first round, the whole reason you're drafted there is to win a championship for your organization. And, and when you do it, it just, everything gets validated.
Your career's validated and all the reasons why the organization picked you are validated. And it was, it was special and a night that will follow me the rest of my life. Now, I don't know if you're aware of this. We had Michael Irvin on, on Tuesday.
That's not what I'm asking if you're aware of. Michael had this to say about what happened at halftime of that game. Go ahead and play it for Troy. Herb, do you remember who was a halftime act 24 years ago?
What? Man, listen, Jimmy Johnson was trying to talk about game plan and everything. We're sitting right here and come on coach. And then, and then half of us sneaking out the back, going to watch Michael Jackson. I was like, you snuck out of a halftime. Did you know that he snuck out? No, I didn't know that he snuck out, but I knew he snuck out of a lot of hotel rooms on Saturday night before games. So that's the least of my worries that he was at the game at least, you know, and he was going to show up in the second half.
Yeah. But he said that a bunch of guys snuck out to go check out. I did not. And I didn't, and I, and I didn't know that, that he did or some other players, but there was a real interest. I mean, Michael Jackson as was the halftime act and, and everyone was excited about that. And our players, we were excited about it. So that does not surprise me at all that Michael went to go check out Michael for half time. That game.
Hey everybody. The golf podcast thing is actually kind of cool that Jason Cabinta is doing. I've seen some of the clips there because you're just sitting there at the simulator.
And I mean, look, any, any show or any idea you've had, I'm sure Brockman, some of your best conversations, you know, probably with a beer or two while walking 18. Same thing at the simulator. You don't have to go anywhere.
I don't like the idea. Also, I have a lot of free time on my hands these days, which is a blessing and a curse. I'm going to take golf lessons. You, you always give me, so 20 years ago, I used to play golf. When I say play golf, meaning I owned clubs, I would show up at these scrambles, right? Media events invited to stuff.
He invited to stuff. You show up. All they have to do is take one of my shots off the tee the entire day. We're back on the show. Yeah.
Hit and giggle, have a beer, whatever. So I'm actually going to take less. Let's go.
Now. Somebody recommended a place. James recommended a place like in Santa Monica. I'm not driving to Santa Monica. So I think I'm just going to go to top golf by me.
Don't they do lessons at top golf? Go somewhere else. Okay.
I just need a, like, get back into it lesson. That's good. Okay. Or two. I still have sticks.
They're 20 years old. Throw them out and go get fitted for new stuff. I know, but I'm not going to get fitted yet until I actually decide.
I'm sure the Browns have a partner that you could get some free stuff with. I hit a shot straight and like, all right, I'm actually going to make an investment. Like what's a new set of clubs cost? It's a lot now. Okay. Yeah.
Pandemic and the popularity has now changed the prices. Okay. So give me, give me a range. I would say anywhere between, you know, 15 and three depends what you, depends what you want, how high end you want to go. If you want to get more kind of like two, three year old stuff, that's probably more better for you since you you're just getting back into it. The, the quality of the club is not going to affect my shot.
It will. I'm bad. The equipment now is really good. Okay.
It's basically like torpedo bats. Really? That's good.
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You can work out and you can do those things. Coming Monday, Ben Johnson meeting player shaking hands in Chicago. Let's go to the phones. Terzo waiting patiently, as always, in Iowa. Good day, sir. Hey, what's up, Andrew?
TJ Brockman and Jay Philman. Terzo, what up, buddy? What up, G? Terzo, we got 90 seconds.
Get to it. Hey, so I heard a funny thing on TikTok the other day, that in the past 13 years, the Niners have actually had a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl in seven of those years, whether it was the botched punt returned by Williams back in 2012 or the tip by Richard Sherman, the overthrow by Garoppolo. It's just crazy to the Niner fan to think that we've had those many opportunities and haven't cashed in once on it. It's kind of heartbreaking to be completely honest with you guys. Do you think they have a shot this year, Terzo, in the final 25 seconds? It depends on the draft, and it depends on if we're able to get Purdy to take a team friendly deal.
If those things don't go right, I could see us being at the bottom of the NFC West, to be completely honest with you. Terzo, I love you. Thank you for holding. Thanks, bud. Appreciate you guys.
Be good, man. They are going to get a Jimmy, not Jimmy, I'm sorry, a Brock Purdy deal done. They are.
For sure. The question is, what's the number? And I don't know that the number greatly affects them this season.
It would affect them moving forward. What kind of deal do they actually do? Coming up in 10 minutes, Ryan Dempster will hit you with a torpedo bat. I'm going to have a top five today later. Oh my God.
First hour? Maybe, but it's fine. It's Joe Milton related, and we're going to get to it at some point today. People like when we rank things. We're a list show now. A list show. Is that what you said?
Yeah. TJ had like the big, big ass grab bag back in the day, and we had to like really convinced Rich to even do power rankings on a weekly basis. And then, and now he loves it. Now he loves doing top fives. You know, people like lists. You just made the list.
It took a long time to get him there. I mean, Brockman was pounding the pound in the power rank, and then he was like, okay, why do you think Casey Kasem? Yeah. Why did you read these in a weekly top 40? Because people love lists, love lists, love lists, and they love to talk about rolling stone. AFI list, list, list, list. The not top 10. So I started, I started doing powerless rankings.
Okay. Meaning who are the bottom teams? Yeah. Like bottom team, bad stuff.
The, you know, things you want to forget. Do you play snap? He's got, we've got the power. It's getting, it's getting kind of, you should, I don't think we get away with that many, many years ago when I first moved to Los Angeles and worked at Fox sports radio in the Valley, as we said, because it wasn't the Valley. Casey Kasem used to do his show from the studio next to ours. So every now and then you'd see him. Oh yeah. We'd go to a commercial and I got a, you know, I got to run out the door and see a man about a horse and you're running. You're like, Hey, I got 90 seconds. I got to get back.
Right. And so you opened the door and you're about to sprint down the hallway and like, Whoa. Cause you almost run down an elderly Casey Kasem in the hallway. One of the few people I imagine you're taller than. Oh, he is not tall.
Was not tall. That's just disrespectful. I said, that's two today. Sorry.
That's two today. I'm like, everything comes in threes though. So this just in I'm not tall. It's okay. I'm comfortable with my height. Listen, I'm a man. I'm 50. If you're making a short joke about me right now, it speaks to you. Not to me. Okay.
Really? I've been bald since 24. I'm fine with my height and I'm sure you're fine with your lack of hair.
I'm good. Don't worry about it. If, if you as an adult criticized someone else's personal appearance, that's a you thing. That's not a me thing.
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