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We'll take your phone calls in a moment. We started this program talking about legacy and the Super Bowl and what a win would mean for certain legacies. I chose the quarterback's coach and another player from each team, Mahomes, Reed, and Kelsey for the Chiefs. And Hertz, Sirianni, and Saquon for the Eagles and what a Super Bowl win would mean for their legacies. Obviously, for the Eagles, it would be starting them on a path of being a Super Bowl winner and what comes with that. The trappings, the trimmings, and potentially for players, Hall of Fame consideration later on in their careers. Also, we've been discussing throughout this program everything going on around the NFL. But in terms of legacies, Mahomes was asked this question today.
This is fresh pre-Super Bowl sound from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah, I think you always want to leave a legacy and kind of make your imprint on history. But more than anything, you just want to accomplish a goal that you have with your teammates.
When you started at St. Joe, your goal is to win the Super Bowl. We know it's a hard process. We know it's a hard weekend and week out. But I'm proud of how our guys have kind of went about that process. We know it's not going to be easy. This team we're playing is a really good football team. But we're going to go out there and play our best effort out there and play as a team.
Hopefully, that's enough to get a win. How much have you admired those athletes like Cody and Michael? How much they've influenced you in your career? Yeah, for sure. I think more than anything, you see the competitors that they are. They're going to do whatever it takes to win. That's what you have to be in order to have success in professional sports. As a competitor, someone that's going to put in the work every single week. I'm watching them and listening to the things that they talk about. That's helped shape my career and how I have to work. Obviously, that's a long way still for me to go to be mentioned with those guys.
But I'll try to do whatever I can to be close enough as I can be. In terms of that, again, as I mentioned at the top when talking about his legacy, if he wins a Super Bowl MVP that would give him four, he would join Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, and LeBron James as the only players in any of the North American sports leagues with four more championship MVPs. Again, with a win in Super Bowl 59, how about this one? Mahomes would have 17, he would have 18 career playoff wins.
18. The only one in front of him is Brady. So if he wins Super Bowl 59, Patrick Mahomes would surpass the Bears, Seahawks, and Titans in terms of playoff wins. Those three franchises. Mahomes individually would surpass them. And so, yeah, his legacy would be completely taken up another notch. And as the only human being that has a chance right now on Planet Earth to catch Tom Brady, unless there's somebody, you know, in college right now or high school right now or grade school right now that's going to grow up and become the next Mahomes, that's about it. There is some. You know, that's about it.
So what do you say, gents? It's now time to throw out a name here as the person on either roster or sideline who would have their legacy built in a way that surpasses any other with a win in the Super Bowl. Ooh, I think you got to talk about 95. Chris Jones becomes an automatic first ballot hall of famer. With a win?
Yeah. You don't think he's an automatic first ballot hall of famer without a win? He doesn't have, like, the defensive player of the year or any of that stuff, but, you know, I just think it cements it. I already think he's kind of there, actually. Don't forget about DeAndre Hopkins.
That was another name I thought you might have mentioned. Well, DeHop is one of the first timers. There's a lot of first timers in this league.
I don't know. I think DeAndre Hopkins can make the. Is the hall of fame the legacy, though?
Because, again, we. Having that ring certainly helps. Well, I mean, having the ring to get in. That's one thing, and that's why we talk about Hertz and Saquon and Sirianni, right? Sirianni is not making the Hall of Fame unless he wins two, if not three. Right.
Reads in. Every single person that I've mentioned, Mahomes, Reed and Kelsey, are in the Hall of Fame. The question is, where are you on the pecking order within the Hall of Fame when you're going to be walking around, you know. God willing, deep into your 60s, 70s, 80s, when you return to Canton, Ohio.
How are you viewed within the building? There's just a long list of wide receivers, you know, kind of in front of him and having the ring and especially if he plays well, maybe he gets in the end zone. That's a differentiating, you know, element to your resume.
That's why you have to include. Or, well, you're talking about Hertz. If Jalen Hertz wins this Super Bowl, he is 100% on a different plane than he is than the guy that we're sitting talking about right now.
Oh, in a weird way. He's my answer. He's your answer.
Go for it. He's the new Russell Wilson, if he wins in a weird way. I'm so early in his career.
I mean, that's just it. Like, as a quarterback, we put all the wins and losses on you. Not only did you win the Super Bowl, but you came back after losing the Super Bowl, which, as you said earlier, just to get it back never happened. So him being and remember, he had an argument to be MVP of the last Super Bowl they were in, even though they lost. So him winning with that's next level for him. And I think his legacy, Mahomes has already established. He's good. This will take him up to the top tier of quarterback. The only reason why I keep landing back on Mahomes is because of being mentioned as the all time 100 percent. No questions about it.
Great. Well, that won't happen, though. What if he plays deep into his 40s, just like Brady and wins more? Well, because there's always going to be a Chris Brockman out there that will tell you if he doesn't win more Super Bowls than Brady. And even if he ties them, his argument is when they went head to head, Brady beat him. So he's going to have to clear Brady by at least one Super Bowl. But the fact that we're even in the in the realm for him to be in that realm. To win again this year and get four before he's 30 to tie Montana and Bradshaw before you even turn 30. That's wild. Because and this is what Bill Burr was talking about earlier this week and with a more of a nefarious angle from the NFL's point of view, is that the Brady stuff in the Montana stuff, the Brady stuff was just absurd because we all grew up.
Montana and Bradshaw are impossible to reach. And we're seeing somebody reach it before he's 30. There's got to be something in the ether here. That's a guiding hand because it makes the entertainment product, as he said, more of an interest to others. Now, it's silly what he's doing.
It's insanity. So you add to the silliness and now you're getting to a point where he's setting a standard for anybody before they turn 30 that may never be matched. And it wasn't even touched by Brady. Brady's longevity is what got him to the seven. And the longevity and how terrific he was so deep is something that, again, is what Mahomes is going to have to set his sights on next.
And Brett Veitch, you know, continuing to build the roster, Reid is going to have to stay and whatever. But that's why I'm talking about legacy there that that eclipses. It's really your definition of legacy. Is it, you know, walking into the Hall of Fame and being able to say, I'm if there was a pecking order like Dion says there should be. Right. You know, levels, right? Yeah, there's levels.
I'm I'm I'm on the top floor. You know, good to see you join our ranks, Mr. One Ring. Mr. Two Rings, you know, or Mr. One Ring and Mr. Two Rings is still better than Mr. No Rings. And Jalen Hurts having one ring at this point in time with, by the way, A.J. Brown is not like long in the tooth, neither is Devante Smith. Saquon isn't, which is the other crazy thing. It's not like he was 31, 32, like Derrick Henry's age when the Giants are like, go ahead for no compensation to us.
Right, right, right. Sirianni is the fifth youngest coach to return to the Super Bowl for a second time. He's in his mid 40s. So he's going nowhere unless. You know, there's some.
Philadelphia story of face eating, the leopard face eating that comes from a difficult sports town on occasion. You know, I don't see it. Howie Roseman's not going anywhere. Jeff, Laurie's not going anywhere.
But so you got to start somewhere and to prevent the three peed in the process, you see where I'm going with legacy building, so you choose hurts. Who do you choose, Chris? You can choose Andy Reid, too.
I was going to say spags. Is he the best D.C. ever? Well, he's I think he already has the most rings of any coordinator.
He's already there. Yeah. You know, he's been a big story, though. I mean, waited all all game to dial up the one blitz at the one perfect time against Buffalo. And we've kind of seen that all year.
The defense kind of carried them at the first part of the year before Mahomes kind of got his foot fitting and really had an awesome second half of the season. I don't know. It's a good question.
That's what we're asking. By the way, earlier today, getting a from Mike Mayock, that's a great, great, great. He said great three times in terms of the question I asked him. By the way, the 2007 version of me is like doing jumping jacks that Mike Mayock thought I did a great game.
A great, great, great question. If you want to talk about Andy Reid, he's on on his way to being the best coach ever and kind of, you know, knocking Bill off that off that platform, especially if he's going to coach another. I don't know what he's like, 66, I think. So if he's going to coach into his 70s, you know, keeping Mahomes around, you know, that that's a you know, that's a pretty select group of four times Super Bowl winners.
There's literally only three people right now. Right. I mean, certainly you're seeing a 73 year old just got hired in Vegas. So you say Andy Reid, seven more years. I mean, based on the last seven years, he's made the AFC Championship game every time. And he's made five Super Bowls in the last six.
So he could he could he could absolutely eclipse. I mean, Bill and Tom had a 10 year drought before the second. That's the question is the legacy question. Somebody that's already gotten an insane amount and that you're now compiling to get to the point where others will never touch you. And you're and you're there. You're in the most rarified dynastic air or you're just starting and creating your own legacy.
Which if you lose, you're not going to do. That's the question is, what do you value more, the first or the umpteenth? And I kind of I kind of go like I know you go first, but I go first. I know it's it's got to start somewhere.
I go first. But when you're first going against umpteenth, I know with a triple play at stake here that we've never seen in the NFL. You know, I kind of land on the umpteenth and I land on the quarterback and the quarterback sport where there's only one guy. And Brady's again, if if if Mahomes wins this game, he's got 18 playoff wins. He's officially halfway to Brady.
That's insane. He's more than halfway to Brady in terms of championships, and then he's about to turn 30. So how do you not choose Mahomes? And so that and by the way, kudos to him for when he's asked about his legacy, he's talking about his teammates.
Yeah. And he's also what? He's on the cap for 50 million next year, 10 million less than Dak and Justin Herbert. He signed that massive deal. Everyone was like, well, this is going to end up he's going to age well for the Chiefs. And by the way, if this allows him to have Chris Jones sack the quarterback and allows him to have, you know, the flexibility to go and get the Andre Hopkins in the middle season.
I understand that that's not led to, you know, actual touchdown, but it means a lot if you're able to do all that. What does he care? 50 million is enough and it's still a lot. And as long as he, you know, as long as he's happy with it, what does he care? People like, well, wait a minute. You see, he was making more than you. Oh, yeah. We look, we've seen these guys.
We've seen these guys less than me and every other metric. He's got like nine holes on this. He's got a par three course and he's got a 50 yard football field. He is. I think he's my trophy case. That's all he's got to say.
Life is good for Patrick, which is why I land on him. Biggest legacy is like, OK, now he's with Bradshaw and Montana and he's not even 30. Something Brady didn't wasn't able to say either. So that's legacy. I mean, that's that's that's it. But I mean, if you're basically saying you're already in the Hall of Fame, which is the ultimate legacy piece you can have. He's for sure already in.
Oh, yeah. Like if he just says, you know, he shocks everybody and he retires. What if he went to Super Bowl this year? It was like, look, I've done all I can here. I'm going to go back to my first love, baseball. And Patrick, my home. And then guess what?
Then everyone in the AFC would be like, hey, let's call him and see what he was able to do when that happened in his sport. We're good. Hey, we're going to get these two years real quick. That's right. A lot of people happy in Buffalo.
Everyone would be buying Memphis chicks, jerseys, freeways for everybody. Is that where we're playing? Remember, he's part owner. Yeah, he's part owner of the Royals. So whatever they're whatever they're. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I want to do.
I want to go play triple A for the Royals to enter like the supplemental like now that's a legacy for something. Right. I wonder if he wins a couple by baseball. I don't know. Like so many of these guys do get drafted and we don't know about it.
And Carson Wentz will be like, what? Who said what? OK, very good.
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844-204-RICH is the number to dial here on the program. So, you know, it's just amazing how the talent evaluation. So the Chiefs and the Eagles are sending people down. Check out the senior ball because you've got to be able to walk in and win championships at the same time. Right. That's right. East West Shrine.
And so there's lots going on there. You ever go to a you've never been a senior ball, right? No, I've been to two.
I worked two for NFL Network. Did you really? Yeah. Ten and eleven or maybe eleven and twelve. I remember the one year Russell Wilson was there and I remember standing on the sideline during practice thinking, there's no way this guy's be any good.
He's way too small. Is that right? Yeah. And?
Worked out OK for us. That would have been 2012, I think, right? Yeah.
Yeah. That was the same year as Kirk Cousins. He was Kirk Kirk was also there. Nick Foles, I think, was also there.
I think what is the D.J. say the Ravens were the Eagles were set to get it that they wanted him. Remember that he was in the Eagles draft room and that Doug Peterson, that they wanted him and they couldn't get him. Russ. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
I know what I mean. It's interesting that you made that comparison that hurts would be the Russell Wilson of the new Russell Wilson. To win this early in his career, early in his career, early in his career, and then still kind of have the rest of the go. And oh, now you're on a Hall of Fame trajectory. Can you get the second one?
Get over the top, you know, keep your career going on, you know, on that. I don't have the numbers here. It's not in the Super Bowl packet. But Mahomes has now set the record for winning multiple playoff games in consecutive years, which Russ used to have.
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Call click Grainger dot com or just stop by. Look who's stopping by from the Senior Bowl and joining us from just off of the field at the University of South Alabama, from Hancock Whitney Stadium, everybody from the ringer Todd McShea back on the program. Great to see you, Todd. What's up, Todd? Good to see you, Rich.
I must really like you guys peeling myself away from. Yeah, I mean, you know how important these drills are, the red zone drills for the quarterbacks. It's good to be with you.
How you doing? Hopefully you got somebody to tell you what I miss in the in those drills. So what is standing out to you at this Senior Bowl? Getting ready for the draft, Todd? I think the trenches like the offensive and defensive line have been outstanding. The defensive lineman in particular, Mike Green from Marshall, it's going to be a first round pick. He had an awesome rep.
If you get on social media, you'll see it yesterday. Just getting underneath the pads of Josh Connerly, who's also going to be a first round pick. The Oregon offensive tackle and just plowing through him. But it's been, you know, the first two days of practices for Green, just standing out as an elite edge rusher. Then you've got Walter Nolan, defensive tackle from Ole Miss, who, you know, after first couple days, we have seen a couple of guys decide to leave early, kind of nicked up a little bit. But you still see Walter Nolan from Ole Miss, another first round prospect is here grinding through it today.
Looking good. Shamar Stewart, Texas A&M, he's one of my favorite players in the entire draft. Talk about the physicality, translating to the NFL as a pass rusher.
It's not just about the speed and getting around the edge. It's about working through offensive tackles and the length and the power and then just the commitment to getting home. And he's shown all that this week in addition to the tape that we've seen all year long. So those are a few of the first round guys that really stood out here this week. How are the Eagles and the Chiefs doing what they're doing? And they're back in the Super Bowl against each other for the second time in three years.
How is it influencing the talent evaluation and roster building in your estimation, Todd? Well, I mean, I just I just watched a chicken salad chick. You ever been there down south?
It's an institution for lunch, right? And to the right of me were the whole personnel, not the whole, but a big group, a large contingent of Chiefs, scouts and personnel people. So they're here, man.
I mean, it doesn't stop. You're going to win a Super Bowl doesn't mean you stop the scouting process. So, yeah, they're both organizations are here at a really good opportunity to sit down with Mitchell Serio and talk about how close they are.
The general managers of the Texans and the Bills respectively. And, you know, to be this close in a conference with these quarterbacks and how important this process is as part of the offseason process. It's kind of fascinating stuff, to be honest. We'll be we'll be airing that in the next couple of weeks. But it's amazing the detail that goes into the scouting process and just talking to area scouts.
Richard, you'll you'll appreciate this. These guys are away from their families for like four months on the road from one stop to the next. It used to be you'd roll up to an Ole Miss, right? And you'd have like eight to 10 prospects that you'd have to evaluate. Well, with the COVID here, with the with NIL, with the transfer portal, I talked to a scout today. He said he had 32 players. There were 22 starters, 32 players he had to do backgrounds on, film study on. So the landscape has changed.
But the process has not. So I guess in that regard, before we start drilling down in terms of the specifics of the draft, what advice of just seeing what the Bills what happened on Sunday? And I know Brandon Bean just said, because he's up in in western New York conducting his press conference today to end the season, that you're never just one player away.
But what what do they need? What what might be behind you on this field or in this year's draft that they could go and supplement to try and finally get past the Chiefs if that is what is needed? Todd, if you really go back and study right and every year we want to we want to take a great quarterback and say, well, add another weapon.
Right. And that's the easy thing to do or plug in an offensive lineman, which which has been typically teams continue to grind away at getting the best offensive front there. But I want you to go back, do a little research project at some point when you're getting ready for the combine and for the NFL draft. Look at the Chiefs since Patrick Mahomes draft. Look at the Eagles since they got their guy in jail and hurts. Look at the Ravens historian. Look at all the best teams in the NFL.
Look at the Bills is another example. You get your quarterback and he's going to make up for a lot of the sins on the offensive side. He's going to protect the 10 on that side. But if you get your quarterback, the great teams and the consistently successful teams, they just keep loading up on defense. And specifically defensive front and then maybe a corner here and there. But but that's been the formula for a lot of successful organizations. So while everyone wants to see one more weapon or a flashy player, a lot of times it's just continuing to add pass rushers, defensive tackles, impact players on the defensive side.
So it wouldn't surprise me if we see that trend continue with a lot of these. Organizations, the organizations we look at and say, you know what, they've got a formula and it's successful and it works. Todd McChaver, the ringer here on the Rich Eisen show. All that said, who in your estimation is the best offensive weapon available in this year's draft? Todd?
It's a good question. I think Travis Hunter from Colorado Heisman Trophy winner. Where are we going to play him?
Right. I mean, that's the big question, because I look at him right now based off of tape. And you would think it would be cornerback is his best spot because it's kind of how he was. He's kind of pitched as a cornerback coming out of high school and it was all about his cornerback skills. And he's a he's a dynamic playmaker on that side of the ball. I actually think Richie's he's a better wide receiver right now. But the tricky part, if you're an NFL team, you know, if you're Tennessee sitting at number one, if you're, you know, Cleveland or Giants and you don't go quarterback or if he were to fall to the Patriots at four.
I think you have to play him at the primary position in the corner and then put in packages for him on the offensive side. And that to me, you go back in history, like even Dion, I went back and looked. I think you have like 60 career catches or something like that. Champ Bailey had like two.
Don't quote me on anything. But the point is, all the guys that we think back like, yeah, they did some work on both sides of the ball. It's minuscule in terms of the production on the offensive side. So if Hunter truly is going to be a generational talent, I think it's going to have to be a cornerback and then putting in a set of plays every single week to try to get him the ball, get it in his hands in, you know, maybe it's 10, 12 plays on the offensive side of the ball. But he's the most dynamic playmaker in the entire draft. You get Tetero McMillan, who's a lengthy receiver who can get vertical testing catches coming out of Arizona. I think he's the number one wide receiver. I think Matthew Golden from Texas is the most underrated receiver in the class. And it took until late in the season at Texas for him to emerge.
But I see like a bigger tank Dell in terms of the route running quickness and suddenness and separation skills. So he's the name as we get closer to the draft. I think you're going to start to see, start to hear more and more about wide receiver group that we've been spoiled for the last eight years. We have been absolutely spoiled, you know, with four or five, six receivers in every class and three or four every year. We're like, we know they're going to be a star. You know, you look back on the Jamar Chases and Justin Jeffersons.
You just know that they're going to be exceptional at the next level. And this year don't really truly have that kind of talent at the top. I do think it running back, though, is the best running back class in twenty five years of doing it that I've seen in terms of depth. And it starts with Ashton Ginty from Boise State, who is one of the runner ups for Heisman Trophy. But but but beyond that, Trevion Henderson talking to scouts here who was in a rotation at Ohio State, he for a lot of teams, he's he's RV, too, if you will. And his combination of speed and the thing that caught a lot of scout size to the blocking in the college football playoff, blocking in the run game, blocking and pass protection.
It's going to be intriguing to see, but I think we could see more running backs drafted this year than we've seen in at least a decade. Well, it makes sense that an Ohio State guy could block because, I mean, that's why Zeke was a top five pick, because he could he would stay out there on third down and be just as valuable as his first two downs. And, you know, it's just interesting, though, Todd, I asked you, you know, most explosive offensive weapon and you go Travis Hunter and you mentioned Deon. Deon always told me he was a five down player, three on defense, stay out there on special teams and play first down on offense. And then when I brought up, you know, can Travis Hunter play both sides of the ball and the pros?
He goes, absolutely. And if you don't want to do that, don't draft him. And if you do, he still has a year of eligibility left.
That's what he told me. But in all seriousness, the thing that he said that sticks with me also is that you draft him to play defense and your team struggling on offense and you're a coach and you're looking on the sideline and your best offensive player standing next to you. You know, you're not going to look good as a coach or an organization. Totally agree. So what are the scouting community and those in your your talent evaluation community saying about his possibility of playing 100 snaps as a pro, 110 snaps as a pro?
What are they thinking here, Todd? I think we all I think we all agree he's truly different. Right. And he has a motor that maybe we've never seen before coming out in the NFL draft and the ability to actually handle that. And with the kind of the GPS tracking and all the health monitoring that we have in technology now, it shows that he's capable of it.
Right. But there's also a management, you know, we hear load management a lot right in the in the NBA. How can I make sure this guy's going to play 17 NFL regular season games and be able to play in the playoffs? And I think in the longevity of his career, like it's great to get that out of him as a rookie. But how long is he going to hold up? And he's not going to be 22 years old for very long. You know, and when he gets to 24, 25 to it. So I think everyone's kind of cautiously optimistic is the best way I would put it, that he's going to carry a load in the end as a skilled position player that maybe we've never seen before. OK, that's the jumping off point.
But I think there's going to be a work as you go type of mentality to it. And let's see what he truly is capable of. He's also been nicked up a little bit and you look at his frame and it's it's comparatively slight compared to some of these other bigger receivers or bigger cornerbacks that we're seeing here at the Senior Bowl. And we'll see at the combine and throughout the whole draft process.
And so then you wonder, all right, it's a different deal. Wide receiver. I'm not worried as much. But the cornerback spot, shoulders pick, you know, tackling, going and being the aggressor at times. How can he hold up?
And there's no obviously there's no way to tell. And every player has risk of durability issues at the next level. But you kind of you have to manage that. And I think each team is going to kind of have a different view on it. The coaches are going to be like, yeah, we want on both sides.
Of course, we're going to put them out there. But part of that process is going to be making sure that he can be a valuable asset on both sides of the ball for an entire year and have a long career doing that. Before I send you back into the practice field, Todd, how do you evaluate this year's quarterback class?
Not what it was last year, obviously. You know, I think I think the jumping off point for Cam Ward and Shadore Sanders and Jackson Dart, those to me are the three best quarterbacks in this class. I think the jumping off point, no matter who you have is QB one. A lot of people I talk to in the league, it's Cam Ward, some people, Shadore Sanders. I haven't heard anyone with QB one on Jackson Dart from Ole Miss, but I have heard that the gap between Shadore and Jackson is a lot closer than what maybe the public thinks.
So with that is the backdrop. And you don't just compare it to last year's draft. But if you were the jumping off point where you would even feasibly have a conversation, where would this guy's top quarterback go? Let's call it Cam Ward. It would probably be four, but quite honestly, it might be five. You know, when you get down to what most teams had with Michael Penix, Bo Nix is QB five, QB six in last year's class.
So there's good. There's a few really potential starting quarterbacks in this class. It's not what it was a year ago, but I think Cam Ward specifically, if in the right opportunity, developed by the right coach, he has the best tools. He's more mobile than Shadore. He has a stronger arm than Shadore. But Shadore is more, I want to say, refined and processes quicker at this point and understands the passing concepts better and is a better. He's the best pure passer in this class.
But with Shadore, you've got kind of an average arm, just average mobility. And it's a tendency in the pocket to put himself in a lot of risk. And he's tough and he's been durable, but he takes a lot of sacks. He has a lot of negative plays.
And that's a concern that teams are kind of working through as well. And then with Jackson Dart, it's there's no elite trait where you look at him out here is not their strongest arm, but he's got a strong arm. It's he's not you know, he's certainly not Lamar. He's not Jalen Milro on the practice field moving around, but he's mobile. He's he's absolutely a weapon when you need to run him. So he's he's good in every area. I think the reason why Jackson Dart is going to start to cry is he's been through so many battles in the SEC. He's unbelievably competitive, very calm.
He doesn't get rattled very easily. And you see a guy who went to him in twenty twenty three, a little bit more of a system quarterback, run heavy offense, kind of took his shots to. He was carrying his team this past year and making a lot more NFL throws than I remember sitting from him on the field for a couple of games live and watching his tape in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. So I think as we get closer, Jackson Dart's name is going to start to climb up the ladder and then just, you know, blast one for you here. It's a tough question to ask and put you in a position, but I'm going to do it anyway. I'm making you Dion Sanders.
Congratulations, Todd. And you you would want your door to land where knowing the coach there, we don't know some of the coordinators yet. But, you know, I don't know if Tennessee is going to go in that direction, but there's Brian Callahan, the Cleveland Browns clearly have Deshaun Watson whenever he comes back.
But there's Stefanski sitting there. The Giants have got Malik neighbors and a a coach and general manager that has been told by the owner, you better do it this year. You've got Pete Carroll in Vegas with Tom Brady in the front office. The Jets at seven. Where do you want him winding up if you're Dion? Not not with the Jets at seven.
I would say the two that jump out to me. I think there's more rebuilding in Tennessee. Cleveland has struggled to get it done with the quarterback for a long, long time. I think the Giants with Brian Debel, I think if you go back and look at his history, he he can coach quarterbacks.
He just hasn't had one. And I've known that for a long time with Daniel Jones. And he got the most out of Daniel Jones. You could get the Brian Debel can flat out flat out coach quarterback. So that is one of the spots that I would say I'm coach prime.
The other would be the Raiders because we're all seen. And now Tom Brady is going to be intimately involved. And I want that guy around my son like he was last summer. And I want him involved in the process of developing my son as a quarterback. So those would be the two places right now that I think if I was Dion Sanders, I would say those are the two of the six teams in the top 10 that are looking at quarterback by my estimation.
Those are the two that I would want the most. Todd, you're the man. Thanks for stepping out. Go back to your day job and let's look for more of my calls, brother.
I miss chat. All right. Good to see you. All right.
Catch. Catch the McShea show, man. Spotify, the ringer. Let's go.
The McShea show on Spotify and the ringer. We will do so, sir. And let me know if you ever need me on as a guest or what. I'd love to ever reciprocate.
Always been. You've always been generous to me. Thank you. It's coming up. I'm going to get my payback. You know, it's going to do it.
I'll see you. That's Todd McShea, everybody. Check out the McShea show. I would I would I would term it something other than payback. You know, it sounded that sounded very nefarious.
It was like he was a hostage. Seriously, like you look, I'm happy to do it. My goodness.
I mean, it's the best, man. That was fun. I miss chatting with him.
Oh, we're going to have a we're going to have a fun next couple of months here. Eight four four two or four rich number to dial here on the program. Let's take a break. Sports update right now.
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So Mayock first hour, McShea third hour. We're getting an idea that defensive line is the best group in this year's draft. If you're looking for an edge rusher, looking for a run stuff, or you're looking for a big time player in the middle of your defense, you're in luck. You're looking for a wide receiver. It's every year.
This year, maybe not as great as previous ones, but pretty damn good ones. Running back pretty deep. If you're looking for a running back. Yeah. All right.
You're in good shape. And if you're looking for a quarterback, well, hope they're as good as you think they are. Am I wrong of saying like, that's what we're looking at right now?
That's kind of first reaction to this part of the year. And the, uh, the, I guess mystery is who's going to be in on that sweepstakes and do the giants just sit there at three and get their choice of a quarterback because the Titans are like, we'll take one of these edge rushers. And the Browns are like, well, we're not going to utilize the second overall pick on a quarterback we're not totally sold on. Let's get Travis Hunter, who is as great a player that could be out there. What if this guy can pull off a hundred snaps for a couple seasons, three seasons?
Is that enough? Then, and then you just eventually say choose, choose one. How, cause choose, choose a position.
Because how about McShea? I ask him his, who is the most dynamic offensive player in the draft? And he says Travis Hunter and that you could make a case that he's the best receiver in the draft and, and you make him a receiver and have them out there every now and then on, on defense. So he's like third down defense. He's like a nickel guy. I don't know that you limit his snaps on defense and he's your offensive threat or he's so damn good on defense that he erases half the field and can be more effective there because he's not ball dependent on that side.
And you then have the packages on offense for him because the words that Dion said, Dion saying, Hey, if you draft him and you don't think he can play both ways, then he's still got a year of eligibility left. Sounds like, you know, um, that's more bark than bite, right? That he's not coming back to Colorado. No.
Okay. But the, the, what he said that really resonates more than anything more than I, you know, that I would coach, you know, but only if my son's come on it. The thing that resonates to me, and I'm going to mention this over and over again when the subject matter of Travis Hunter comes up, when I'm, whether I'm in the combine booth or sitting here at this chair is Dion saying, if you don't play him both ways and you think he's just a defender and your offense is struggling and you're a head coach and your best offensive weapon is standing right next to you on the sideline, how's that going to play that resonates with me. He could not be more wrong on that front. I mean, more right.
He could not be more right about that. I'm worried about the idea of having a package and then all of a sudden he trots out on the field and you're like, well, you got to force it to him. Hunter's in the game. Well, he's the number one option.
I mean, that is a tell, like a giveaway or do you play him every defensive snap and you play him on offense till the wheels come off or you play him on first and second down or second and third down. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Not just a package, right? So when he comes out, he's in the rotation. You're not just saying, okay, but, but, but if he does come out there on second and third down and it's just a package for him, doesn't that open things up elsewhere, right? Doesn't that make it you're, you're now hyper aware of when this guy comes on the field, if he's the best offensive weapon in the draft. I didn't, I wasn't, I was expecting Ashton Gente or any of the wide receivers who don't play defense as well.
But for McShea to say that, that was something else, man. So DJ Moore led the wide receivers and snaps this year, 63 a game. How many, how many snaps per game, if you can look it up, did Sertan play? For instance, a guy who may be defensive player of the year at corner.
Uh, stand by. Speaking of defenders in Colorado, how many did he play? He played 61 a game. So you add Sertan with DJ Moore and you get 120 snaps a game, which is, that's a lot. That's a lot of snaps. But if he can get 90 snaps a game, you've got to have with all of these slide rule experts and analytics people come up with the number. What's the number of snaps per game that you think would be effective, successful, that somebody of his prowess can deal?
Dion's on the show next week in New Orleans, Friday. I'm just going to, give me a number. How many snaps do you think the kid can play? What a fascinating figure. This could be like the Otani of the NFL. I'm serious.
And if you think he can play both ways and be as effective as the best receiver on your team and a guy who can erase half the field, how the hell is he not the number one overall draft choice? Right. If you think, if the Tennessee Titans think we're talking to him, we have gone through the sports science of it.
We can, we are medical shows. He's completely clean. And by that, I mean, there's no bumps. There's no bruises. There's no, well, you broke a bone when you were eight.
We could see it on the, on our x-rays. You know, if you think he is ready to go, how the hell is he not the first overall pick when you're taking on the Chiefs? He wipes out their best, their best receiver. And then you take on the rest of the league and he's your best offensive weapon.
How is he not number one overall? You're a legend. Do you know you're a legend? You can't be a legend having this much fun.
