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Bill O’Brien: Have To Embrace The Change Of College Football

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October 3, 2024 3:15 pm

10/3/24 - Hour 2

Guest host Tom Pelissero breaks down the latest on the Davante Adams trade front and reveals that rejoining Aaron Rodgers on the New York Jets is his #1 choice with Derek Carr and the New Orleans Saints as his second choice and lays out the logistics of a possible deal and how much control Adams has over where he lands.

Boston College Head Football Coach Bill O’Brien and Tom discuss the return to success of the BC program, if his former Alabama QB Bryce Young can bounce back from his Carolina Panthers benching, Bill Belichick and Nick Saban’s transition from coaching to media, and his sometimes cantankerous sideline interactions with Tom Brady during their New England Patriots days.

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Earlier on the show. Pro football hall of famer, Terrell Davis. Coming up, Boston College head coach, Bill O'Brien.

Kings forward, DeMonte Sabonis. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Tom Pellicero. Welcome back to a Rich Eisen-less edition of the Rich Eisen Show.

I am Tom Pellicero. Breaking news you just heard from Rich. He is in fact in London, going to be calling the Vikings-Jets game. He's going to zoom in about an hour from now. And I assume react to what Sam Darnold had to say about his time with the Jets.

As he gets set as an MVP candidate to face his old team on national TV Sunday morning on NFL network. A lot of storylines throughout the NFL here in week five. We'll get through all of it here throughout the course of this show.

But I want to get to one that was always going to happen. And it's just happening sooner than everybody expected. Which is the current situation surrounding DeMonte Adams. And I know that there are salacious and weird parts of this.

None bigger than the accidental Instagram liking of a post that kind of thrust this entire thing into public view. The reality is going back to Aaron Rodgers, talking about it publicly and privately through the off season, communicating with DeMonte Adams. He's been in full recruitment mode throughout. And frankly, if last season goes differently, if Aaron Rodgers is still available, maybe this happens in 2023. And DeMonte Adams already is a member of the New York Jets. As it stands now, DeMonte Adams, we know that he approached the team on Monday, said that he prefers to be traded. The Raiders have been talking to several other teams about a potential trade. Here's what I can tell you, based on my understanding, and not based on, again, reading a lot of different tweets. I saw there was an AI-generated photo of a fake reporter that made the rounds and had thousands of likes on the platform formerly known as Twitter yesterday saying that the trade has already agreed to.

Everybody gets sent various things. You've got the, you have the real reporters. Then you've got the fake reporters who are sort of real in that they're real people who just kind of exaggerate and make stuff up. Then you have the fully fake ones, where it's somebody who creates an account and just says, hey, Raiders insider. And it's a photo of a guy, and this is real, a photo of a guy holding a microphone with nothing on the flag. And I can't tell if it's AI or just a stock image.

I think it's AI, but he's just saying, and it's worded perfectly. I have a great appreciation. I know I've mentioned this before, for the good fakes. I don't mind when there's a fake Tom Pelissero who puts something out. Like if you put the work into it to make people believe it, tip of the cap to you. I'm never gonna sit here and go like, how can you dare impersonate me? If people are dumb enough to fall for it, great, you got them, that's good. The ones that are lazy and they're like the capitalization and the punctuation, the syntax is totally not like anything I would write.

I would never do this. Do better, do better. Do better.

But this one was a pretty decent one, unless you clicked the photo and saw the guy with the blank mic flag. So here's what's actually known at this time, based on all the conversations I've had over the past couple of days. Devante Adams' top choice is the Jets. He would like to, if he's traded, go and play with Aaron Rodgers again. Which is interesting because if you kinda unpack the way that everything played out in Green Bay, remember it got to a point in 2022 where the Packers had had contract talks with Devante Adams.

They didn't get something done in camp. So that then put him in a situation where he was gonna be a free agent into the off season, or they'd have to franchise tag him. And by the time they got around to doing the Aaron Rodgers deal, they didn't have the cap space even if they wanted to tag him. There were on and off talks with the Raiders and he had decided he wanted to go to Las Vegas. He wanted to reunite with another one of his quarterbacks in Derek Carr out there. And so they end up, excuse me, that was the 2021 camp going into 2022. He ends up getting traded to the Raiders for a first and second round pick. He wants at this point, if he's traded, he wants to go and be with Aaron, which shouldn't surprise anybody because it's not just Aaron Rodgers, it's Nathaniel Hackett, it's Allen Lazard.

There's a lot of familiarity there. It's a team with a lot of expectations. It's a place where he would be taxed and lose probably millions of dollars potentially compared to a no state income tax state in Nevada. But that's a trade off that apparently he's willing to make. He'd like to be there. Second choice would be the Saints.

Another reunion with Derek Carr. On a Saints team that I don't think that you look at and say they've got an overt need for another wide receiver, but certainly when you're talking about a future hall of fame type guy in Devante Adams, you're willing to consider it, especially when he's got the established rapport with the quarterback, played in a similar system, combined him with Rashid Shaheed and Alvin Kamara and Chris Olave, the other weapons that they have. You can see where that would make sense, but there's also a cap issue that exists with the Saints that makes this more complicated.

More on that in a second. You have other teams like the Bills. That would make sense. We're just talking pure fits.

What would make sense? We mentioned it earlier, they move forward without a Stefan Diggs type of guy. In Buffalo, you've got Khalil Shakir.

You got Dalton Kincaid. Those are really the top two options in the passing game. Obviously James Cook has emerged as a threat for him. But in New York, their most talented player, their best player probably on offense is Garrett Wilson, who already, by the way, is not overly pleased with his target share because Allen Lazard, who knows Aaron really well from their days in Green Bay, has been getting more targets. So adding Devante Adams to that mix would create a certain situation there that they would have to manage. But again, the Jets are the top choice for Devante Adams. The Bills don't have, no offense to Khalil Shakir, they don't have a Garrett Wilson there. He could go play with one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL in Josh Allen on a team that needs him, on a team that's built to win absolutely right now.

I don't know though that Devante Adams wants to go someplace that he doesn't know anybody. Same goes for Pittsburgh. Steelers have been in on every receiver who's come available. They obviously, it's well-documented, they were trying to trade for Brandon Iuke. In the end, Iuke decided he wanted to stay and take the deal with the 49ers. The Steelers have been open looking at other trade opportunities.

There hasn't been one yet. If Devante Adams wanted to go to Pittsburgh, it would make a lot of sense. Pair him with George Pickens. Van Jefferson can play a little bit different role, but at this point, again, there's not a lot of familiarity there for Devante Adams. There's other teams, including the teams that, you know, throughout the course, the offseason has been attached to other receivers. What about the 49ers?

Brandon Iuke got a lot of money, hasn't produced at a super high level. We know the Deebo can play a lot of different roles and we don't know when, or perhaps even if, it sounds like it's still a when, but the 49ers ultimately don't know when Christian McCaffrey is going to get back on the field. So to the extent that the 49ers, when they were still going through with Iuke, were calling around on these receivers, maybe that would make some sense. There are no strangers to making a high level acquisition in the trade market during the season. They did it with McCaffrey a couple of years ago.

I could see that potentially working, but again, similar system, not familiar people. So now let's get into the logistics of the Devante Adams situation. Any team acquiring, in order to execute a trade in the NFL, you have to have the salary cap space at the time of the trade. In other words, whatever reworking needs to happen to get a player under the cap, it has to occur in advance, which means the player, even if it's not one team eating money, which I don't get the sense the Raiders really want to do right now with one of the best players on their team, even if it's not eating money, the Raiders would have to restructure a deal. They'd have to find a way to adjust the contract in advance if a team does not have sufficient cap space. So that then, teams could also, they could restructure other contracts, but you'd have to create the cap space at the time.

You'd also have to have the cash because the guy's making a million dollars a week. Oh, by the way, right now he has a legit hamstring injury. This is not Jalen Ramsey. This is not Ayuk with his neck and his back during the course of training camp. And no, TJ, don't fill in the rest of that lyric. This is an actual injury. He's out for a week or two.

And so all of these things, all these different complications exist. When you have the need, quite possibly to restructure your contract to facilitate a trade, that effectively gives a player veto power. Beyond the fact that Devante Adams, if they execute a trade someplace he didn't want to go, you just go, I'm not going. I'm not going to show up.

I'm not going to report. This is going to get reversed. You can't trade me. And then there's various things that can happen in that scenario, but he could stop it, but he really can stop it by simply saying, I'm not signing an adjusted deal with any other team. He hasn't said this yet, to my understanding, but if he ever did say, I only want to go to the Jets, he can scuttle any other deal.

If you want evidence of that, look no further than Ayuk. Hey, I'll go to one of these teams. All right, we got a deal in place with the Patriots, best offer, best money. Ah, I think I want to go to Cleveland. Okay, well, we're going down the road with Cleveland. We can actually get, you know, we can get a Mari Cooper in that deal. Ah, I only want to go to Pittsburgh.

At some point, you narrow it down. That made it harder for the 49ers to get the compensation they wanted, which in turn slowed things down, which all led to Ayuk ending up back in San Francisco. Devante Adams could follow the same path. He's not following it yet, but that's another factor to consider in all of this. And then you've got the reality that, like Devante Adams, I don't know super well, but I've talked to him enough times through the years. I know enough people that know him. He's a very smart, intellectual guy who understands the business. He suffers no BS. He wants to be very straight ahead, which you can imagine when people are sending him, hey, why is your head coach liking to tweet about, or an Instagram post about you playing your last game with the Raiders? That might not sit particularly well.

And it's something that you've got to kind of tamp down and be able to work forward here. But he's still showing up for rehab in the building. If they don't work out a trade, again, I don't view this as a, he's gonna say, oh, my hamstring hurts until you trade me, which we've still got a month and two days to the trade deadline. It's November 5th.

The only two things that are happening November 5th in the NFL and the world. So you've still got time, but I don't anticipate there's a situation where if he doesn't get traded, he's just never gonna play again. He cares too much about legacy. He cares too much about the game. He likes the fact that every year, regardless of who the quarterback is, regardless of where he's playing, he gets his hundred catches in a thousand yards. I think ultimately, if Devante Adams is not traded, he does play for the Raiders and goes back there.

There's different levers that can be pulled. Those levers have not been pulled yet, other than telling the team, hey, I prefer, not demanding, I prefer to be someplace else. And the team knowing that ultimately they were probably gonna get to this spot. You know, if the Raiders were six and two at the trade deadline, maybe you're not trading them. Maybe you're going, you know what?

We got a chance to do something special. And maybe Devante, depending on how things are going, maybe he doesn't want to be traded at that point. But right now there are two and two team that's been up and down to say the least. You beat the Ravens in Baltimore in week two. You come back and you get blasted by Andy Dalton and the Panthers at home in the home opener in week three. Then week four, you got no Devante. He's on the sideline, he's wearing Raiders gear.

This is not you showing up wearing non-logoed clothing. And you just kind of play this ugly game and you find a way to get a win, they could turn it around. And maybe that drives some of, you know, the way they're looking at this. The Raiders right now though have no reason, A, to give away the player for, you know, some late round draft, but there's just no reason to do it.

And B, they don't have necessarily a urge to simply say, okay, we're gonna trade you wherever you want to go, regardless of the compensation. So as much as everybody wants resolution, as much as this is the lead story on every sports talk show across the country right now, you may be waiting into early next week. Now, I would also say if this phone rings, it's one of several names, I may have to take it and you guys may have to carry the show for a few minutes.

I'm here till Tuesday. So we may have that moment that comes, but this is a much more, it's a much more complicated situation than simply saying, Devante Adams wants to go to the Jets. He's gonna be traded to the Jets by next week. Could happen. In fact, I'm not big on prognosticating.

My job is just to tell you the information. I would say if I had to guess, like an educated guess how this ends, I'd say Devante Adams sometime in the next 33 days ends up with the Jets, but I don't know that. It's not a done deal.

It's not advanced that much. There's connected parts here too, in terms of there's some teams who, listen, if you pay down the salary, we'll give you a lot more. Broncos traded Von Miller in a contract here to the Rams and got, I want to say a second and a third for a later career Von Miller.

Why? They basically paid his whole salary and Von went out and played really well with the Rams, won a Super Bowl and then ends up in Buffalo on one more monster contract, which to this point, based upon injury, the fallout of injury, now a four game suspension, has not really worked out for Buffalo, but it is possible to get more. The Raiders though, knowing how cash conscious the organization is, what they traded for Devante a couple of years ago, the idea that they're going to go, well, we'll pay the whole salary just to get a second round pick, it's probably an oversimplification too. Listen, Tom, all this sounds great and all, but let's talk about the one thing that matters to me. Tell me whether the Cowboys are going to make the call or should I just start getting upset now? Rich always gets mad because I don't get upset about stuff because what can I do? But this is kind of upsetting. If they are not at least making due diligence and looking into it.

There is less pie. If this were, let's say eight years ago, I 100% would say, Jerry's going to make this happen. Got his former coach there.

It's a big name type of a player. We'll give a, yeah, we'll give a second round pick and we're going to make it happen. You know, they traded- 24 million under the cap, Tom. They paid a million, they paid a first round pick to get a Mari Cooper years ago. Like this would be the old Dallas Cowboys. The Mike McCarthy Dallas Cowboys have been draft and develop. It's not been, now they've made trades. They traded for Brandon Cooks and Stephon Gilmore a couple of years ago.

But it's not the foundation. I know Brandon Cooks is dealing with an infection in his knee and Stephon Gilmore has been on Tennessee or something? I don't even know. He's in Minnesota.

He's playing really well for Brian Flores in that defense that we will see taking on the Jets this weekend. But this program is not a quick fix type of a scenario. I'm not saying this can't happen. Tom, Tom, I don't mean to interrupt.

Quick fix. It's been since 1995, bro. I'm aware. But this would be the Jerry, the Jerry instinct here might be go and do it. Pay whatever. But trading a second round pick, or even a third round pick for a 33 year old receiver and slapping them in here.

I'm not saying it can't happen. Are we in win now mode? Yes. Did you just pay your quarterback an absorbent amount of money? Yes. Did you just break off the wide receiver? Yes. Is your defense now debilitated and depleted?

Yes. Does that sound like a team that should be giving up a high piece of draft capital in the future for an aging receiver who also, the last part I didn't even mention on this, his cap, his salary balloons to 36 million plus in 2025 and 2026. So whoever's trading for him, you either got to redo the deal for future years, or this is a like 10, 11 game rental. Look, Tom, I'm a fanatic. I'm not an insider like you. I'm a voice of the fan. And we don't take stuff like that.

Consideration, we're just obsessed and we're crazy. We don't know exactly what's going to happen. Okay. Chico, we were set, sadly, is going to go down sometime in the game on Sunday. Drake Mays, Drake Mays is going to get out there and show everyone why he's the number third pick in the practice and how awesome he's going to play.

Right. And then all of a sudden Devontae Adams is going to go, oh, I'm going to go there and be the number one. Devontae ultimately, sorry, who is going to do that? Who? Daraque Maia.

Thank you. Daraque Maia. Eventually Devontae, if he's got the opportunity, he's going to have a decision to make on what he ultimately wants to do here.

Again, I think the most likely outcome of all this is Devontae ends up a jet or not there just yet. And guess what? I'm here for three more shows. So next Tuesday, we have a lot more time to come. Let's take a break.

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Okay. Why are kickers, okay, who have, they don't have football skills. They're not football players.

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Okay. You know, when they used to actually run and kick a ball through a goalpost, but they don't do that in the NFL. There's no need for goalposts. Wouldn't the game be better without them?

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It makes no sense whatsoever. Welcome back to the Rich Eisen Show Radio Network. I'm Tom Pelissero, in for Rich, who's gonna join us at the top of the next hour from London, getting set for Vikings Jets. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you.

Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. I am very excited about our next guest and not just because he's the head football coach at not only the best university in Boston, but also one of the most pleasant surprises in the NFL, but I'm an esteemed graduate of Boston College. So it is with my great pleasure that I bring in right now, guy I knew a little bit when he was in his NFL days, Bill O'Brien is on the show. Bill, how we doing in Chestnut Hill right now, man? I'm doing well, Tom.

How you doing? It's good to see you. It's been a while and I'm sitting here at your alma mater and things are going okay.

So it's good to see you, Tom. Your wife was also a BC graduate and I'm curious. So when you first take the job, and I'm sure you had been back at various points here, but did she give you like the tour? I know like Mary Ann's is long gone and whatnot, but she'd give you the tour of like, here's where the hangouts were back in the day.

Here's where I occasionally went to the library and that stuff. She did. She did and it's a funny story. I was on the phone with a recruit right when I got the job and I was trying to tell them some information about BC and when I got off the phone call, she's like, all of that was wrong. You need a better lesson in BC. So she gave me a quick lesson in some of the majors and the campus setup and all that.

And yeah, she's my harshest critic, no doubt about it. Well, it's been impressive to watch, man, because I know, I mean, there's a lot of dynamics in college football. We can get to that too, that maybe didn't even exist back when you were at Penn State, but the way that you've had that team play in with kind of an NFL style approach so far, what has been your focus in terms of getting this program off and running at a time that it's really difficult, I think, to kind of get things quickly ahead of that direction? I think the first thing we did when we got here, Tom, was we tried to, right away, hire a good staff, including a really good strength staff that knew how to train these guys. So we were able to hire guys like Craig Fitzgerald as a strength coach, Tim Lewis, defensive coordinator, Will Lawing, offensive coordinator. And those guys, with the experience that they have, they were able to hit the ground running. I also met with each guy on the team immediately, the first two weeks that I had the job.

And that helped, so I could explain to my philosophy, I could listen to them about their background, where they came from, why they chose BC, things like that. So I think we got off to a good start, and we work. These guys, we work at it. We're not out on the practice field forever, but we work when we're out there, and we try to make it as quality time as possible relative to practice.

Very efficient practices is what we try to do every single day, and I think these guys have bought into it. Last week, you were playing with a guy making his first college start, first BC start, which is always a little bit of a battle here. Are we going to see Thomas Castellanos back against Virginia? And also, are we going to see that guy in the NFL eventually? Because I've heard broadcasters refer to him as Kyler Murray, light. He's kind of got that look to him. He's wearing the same number. Does he have a pro future?

He definitely does. Look, he'll be back against Virginia, you know, first real quick on Grayson. You know, I give Grayson a lot of credit. You know, he came back from injury himself about three weeks ago. He had a shoulder issue, and he came back, and he practiced well, and then he got the start when Tommy was out, and, you know, he threw an interception in the first half, but he came back and played really well. Tommy is back healthy.

He's been cleared to play. Had a really good week of practice, and Tommy definitely has a future. Tommy has improved a great deal as a passer. He's really improved his footwork, his knowledge of our offense and his knowledge of defense.

He's a great guy to coach, and I don't think there's any doubt that, you know, he's got a future in the National Football League. So, but right now, we're just focused on Virginia, and, you know, I think, like I said, I think he's had a really good week, so I'm really excited for him to go out and play well on Saturday. There's also a couple of guys on your defense, and I don't even, you know, I've been watching every game here, but all I know is it's number five and number six. I don't even know the names on the top of my head.

I just always know five and six are there. What type of an impact do those guys make on that defense? Yeah, number six, Donovan Esaraku is another guy that will definitely play on Sundays. He is a defensive end, outside linebacker, excellent athlete, very, very smart, very explosive. He had 14 tackles last week. He had three sacks, a strip sack. Yeah, he single-handedly took the game over in the fourth quarter and did a great job. And then Cam Arnold is number five.

He's an inside linebacker, definitely has a great future. Both those guys are captains, by the way. Tommy Castellanos is a captain. They do excellent jobs as leaders, and Cam had a huge interception last week that helped us turn that into a touchdown and win the game. So, Cam Arnold's had a really good year, very steady guy, same guy every day, and fun guy to coach. BC coach Bill O'Brien is our guest. So, there's a lot of coaches, including your predecessor at BC, who in recent years, it's, hey, college football is tough lifestyle-wise and everything else, who have gone to the NFL. You went the other way, and again, I know that you grew up in the college game. You coached at Penn State before, but what do you think about the way that this has changed over the last decade here, and is there any part of the NFL that you miss right now? You know, I think the big thing about college football is to embrace the change.

You know, look, name, image, and likeness is a part of it. I experienced it firsthand at Alabama when I had Bryce Young, you know, and he handled it very, very well, and I think it's even grown since then. And so, Boston College will be a part of that, but that's not what we're all about, though. You know, we're about our school, our academics.

You know that better than anybody, what it can do for your life. It's a life-changing place. The transfer portal, you know, look, we have transfers on the team. They're great guys. They're some of our better players, but moving forward, I think we have to build this program through recruiting, high school recruiting, and I believe that we can do that. And I think, as a head coach, you know, you just have to do a great job of budgeting your time so that you can coach.

You know, I actually coach the team every day, and then, you know, I recruit, and I deal with NIL, and you just have to have great people around you that help you budget your time, and that's what we try to do. Relative to the NFL time, you know, you and I spent some time together when I was in Houston, and I love the NFL. I have a lot of respect for the National Football League and the strategy and the players and the coaches that are in that league. It's the highest level of football.

I wouldn't say there's anything I miss about it, but I've just been fortunate because I have experience at both levels, and I think that's a pretty cool thing. You mentioned Bryce Young in there. You saw that guy playing as well as anybody in the country. Right now, he's backing up Andy Dalton in Carolina.

He's been through three different, essentially, offenses in less than two NFL seasons. Knowing him the way that you do, knowing how, I mean, intellectual he is about the game, do you still believe we can get to that Bryce Young in the NFL, and how do you do it? There's no doubt.

There's no doubt. I have a lot of very, very strong belief in Bryce Young. He's a really, really smart guy. He's got a great demeanor.

He's an awesome teammate, a very hard-working guy. You know, look, at the end of the day, you know, it's not just about the quarterback. You know, the quarterback has to be surrounded by all different type of support system, whether it's the teammates, the players, you know, the people in the front office, the coaching staff, whatever it is. You know, Bryce will learn from it.

I'm sure he'll be the first to tell you that he probably wishes he had a few plays back from his time so far. But, you know, at the end of the day, everybody that's been successful as a quarterback in that league, really everybody, if you think about it, has gone through some type of adversity. Everybody from Peyton Manning to Tom Brady to Drew Brees to you can name it. All the best have gone through adversity, and I think that Bryce will be back. And I will never bet against Bryce Young.

He's a hell of a player and an even better person. You obviously coached under Nick Saban at Alabama. I'm curious about this, because three very important people in your football life are all now in the media. It's Saban, it's Phil Belichick, and it's Tom Brady. I'm not going to ask you to break down, you know, their verbal pace or their color and analysis.

What I'm curious about is this. If you can rank them three to one, three lowest, one at the top, of your surprise level that they work in the media at all, how would you stack up those three guys? Man, I don't know. That's hard to say.

You know, it's hard to say. I think I would probably put Bill at the top. You know, not necessarily surprised, but just, you know, you know, didn't know that he would actually do that, but he's doing it very, very well. That's the thing that's cool to watch is, you know, watching Bill Belichick, watching Nick Saban.

I haven't heard too many of Tom's games, but I've heard they've been really cool and good, and none of that surprises me. These guys are very, very bright guys. The thing that's cool about it, Tom, is I think the fans can really get a really good insight into football because of what these guys are doing. These are the greatest to ever do it, the greatest quarterback to ever play, the greatest college coach of all time, and the greatest NFL coach of all time.

And in my estimation, they're giving back to the game, so they're helping the fans really understand the game at another level, and I think that's what's very cool about it. But I'd probably put Bill at number one relative to my surprise of him being in the media. With Tom, and obviously, you know, you wear your emotions on your sleeve. We've all seen, you know, you guys had a very open relationship on the sideline.

Let's put it that way in terms of the back and forth. At times, I'm listening to Tom and I'm like, I know this is way worse than he's willing to verbalize right now, like, what he's watching on the field. Like, in your mind, like, what is he really wanting to say about a lot of the things that he sees on Sundays? You know, like I said, I haven't heard a whole lot, but I did hear, like, for instance, you know, how he addressed Baker Mayfield's comments. And, you know, Baker's a great player, and I have a lot of respect for Baker, you know, but some of the comments he made, you know, relative to the locker room and stuff. You know, Tom's a very honest guy. You know, Tom's gonna, there's not gonna be many times where Tom holds back, but I do think in order to do the job that he's doing now, he's gotta have a good relationship with the players and the coaches that he's covering.

So, you know, you can't go over the edge. I'm sure there's times where he probably wants to say, this is the worst beepity-beep I've ever seen. But, you know, he doesn't do that, and I think that's, you know, a credit to him. He tries to, again, he tries to, what's always impressive to me about those guys, like Troy Aikman, I think is awesome at that, and Tony Romo, those guys are really good at it. Tom's just starting out.

They explain the game to the fans as the fans are watching the game. I think that's a really cool thing, and it's not easy to do, and I think, you know, Tom's doing a great job. Again, we all saw, you know, occasionally, there were some back and forth of the two of you guys on the sidelines. Is there one that jumps out in your mind, a story of whether whatever you were talking about got fixed or not? Is there one back and forth of Tom on the sideline that stands out in your mind?

It was more from practice, Tom, like there were things that happened in practice. You know, I told a story one time where, you know, where we would use our headset, our coach-to-quarterback communication all the time in New England in practice to help us prepare for the game, and so, you know, the whole thing, you had to press the button, the beep would go, and, you know, there were times where it didn't work, right? There was something wrong with it or whether, and I can remember one time where he just kept saying to me, he was like, you got to wait for the beep. You got to wait for the beep. I'm like, it's not beeping. It's not beeping, Tom. Do you understand that? He's like, and he kept saying he got away.

Finally, I just took the whole thing off. I said, you do it, and I threw it at him, and I don't think Belichick even batted an eye. He just said, this is usual for these two. I think the thing about, you know, the NFL is you're around these guys so much. It's like a brotherhood, and brothers fight sometimes, and then quickly it's over, you know what I mean, and it's a short memory, and I think that it was so competitive at the Patriots that sometimes, you know, the temperature would rise a little bit, but it would go down very quickly. There's also something to this where, you know, you're going back and dealing with 18-, 19-, 20-year-old kids.

Now, I mean, with the transfer portal, some of the guys on your team were probably 24, but you got some younger types of guys. You know, you think about how Bill established his programs and how direct and, I don't want to say negative, but certainly there was negative feedback that was part of fixing things, right? Through the course of time, can you coach that way? Are there enough Tom Brady's, I mean, he's very unique, but are there enough guys who are responding to that that you see in the younger generation now that you're back in college football?

I believe there are. I think at the end of the day, regardless of NIL, Bortol, all of it, I really have a strong belief that guys want to be led, they want to be coached by the coach. And so I think as long as you teach them, you know, what you're looking for, this is the vision, this is how the play should work, this is how this drill should work, this is, you know, complimentary football, here's what it all looks like.

Then when it's not executed properly, you can get on them because you've taught them that and you've seen them do it the right way. And so I think that you definitely can, and I think guys really want to be coached, I think they appreciate good coaching, and, you know, we have a really good staff here that has, you know, a strong relationship with the players here. We're early on, we're four and one, we've got seven games to go, we've got a very tough game at Virginia on Saturday, but, you know, so far we're off to a pretty good start. With the expanded playoff, I mean, I know we're a long ways out, I'm not trying to put pressure on you, I'm not trying to get you here, but, I mean, is it in the back of your head, even when you're playing a team like you did last week and you find a way to win with a young quarterback, like, that keeps you alive here for, you know, some type of an end goal here beyond just, you know, the standard bowl game? I think there's two things that we think about.

I think it's a great question. I think that we talk a lot about, you know, one play at a time, you know, understanding how important this Tuesday practices, this Wednesday practices, you know, we practiced this morning, Thursday, you know. I think we talk about that a lot, but we also know that there are things, if we can continue to, you know, adhere to that, you know, one play at a time motto and we can win, then, yeah, there's things out there for us. I think that's what's cool about college football now that they expanded that playoff.

You know, there's things out there, but, again, we've got to focus on the task at hand, which is Virginia, and it's going to be a very tough game down there. One more quick thing, and we really appreciate your time here, Bill. If there's one thing you could do for me, can you disambiguate the logos at BC? Because we've got one logo on the screen right now. You've got a different one on your hat. The one at midfield is different. I've seen the meeting rooms. There's one on the chairs versus one on the walls. Can we get? Yes, exactly.

There's that one, which is the old-school, that's the Doug Flutie era, 80s and 90s BC. Can we just get one logo across everything, please? I agree, Tom. Now, downstairs in our locker room, we have the logo that you have on your screen right here for, you know, underneath my name. That's the best logo, really is. You know, I agree with you.

I'm being serious. I love the colors, the maroon, the gold. Love it. But I think at the end of the day, that old-school logo, the old-school uniforms, I've got a picture of Doug over my shoulder here, and the old-school uniforms are awesome. So, you know, I think we're working hard to get back to that. I was able to get Doug on, the insiders here recently, because there was a story that I've told many times, including about a month or so ago in Good Morning Football, where he elbowed me in a pickup game at the old RecPlex on campus, which has since been demolished.

There's a new one in there. He said he didn't remember specifically, but the story sounded authentic. So he's still, I'm sure, if you walk down there right now, he's probably still throwing elbows down there at some of the college kids. I mean, I remember stories about him at the Patriots. During OTAs, he'd practice in the morning, and then he'd be in his baseball uniform going to play, you know, baseball in the inner-city league here in Boston and play for the native team. You know, then he'd come in and say, I was three-for-four, turn two double plays. You know, the guy's an amazing guy.

Never ages, never ages. Bill, thanks a lot for being here, man. And if you also can work on getting the shrine built to me, I want it outside Mod 7B, right in the tailgate area there.

That would be fantastic. Appreciate it, man. Good luck. Thank you.

Appreciate it. That is Bill O'Brien, head football coach at Boston College. They're still not ranked. They're like, I think, 29th or so in the AP voting, but they took Missouri to the wire. They had Eli Drinkwitz on last time I was here. They actually played that during the pregame choice, so sent you guys a screenshot of that. He was mad because they lost to BC a few years ago. That was a good game. It was close. BC knocked off Florida State.

They held on last week against, I couldn't remember who they played last week. It was like Weber State or something, but they played him in the back of quarterback, found a way, got that thing out, and now Thomas Castellanos. A little bit of news right there. He's going to be back.

Nice. He's a fun little- Look at you. I don't know if you guys have seen him, but like he's, he looks like, have you told me that's Kyler Murray? Not based on play, but if you just looked at him, you're like, absolutely.

He's got more tattoos than Kyler, but it looks just like him, the play style. He's this little water bug type guy who just kind of bounces around, and he has improved as a passer. It'll be an interesting evaluation. It really need quarterback class. Like you brought up earlier, TJ, somebody talking about, you know, should the Cowboys tank this year, which of course they already re-signed Dak, so it wouldn't be for a quarterback, even if they did that, which they are plainly not.

Yeah, that was a headline from one of the other shows. But this quarterback class is, there's not a lot of clarity right now. Like if you went back to, like what I understood the grades to be by some of the scouting services that do them in the off season here, and you have guys like Riley Leonard as one of the top prospects who, you know, at this point, I don't, I mean, we'll see how it all plays out, but it's hard to imagine Riley Leonard's taken in the first two days of the draft based on how things have gone at Notre Dame. You know, Carson Beck's gonna be a really interesting evaluation for people.

Same thing with Jackson Dart. You know, Quinn Ewers has played well. He's hurt. He has been, you know, banged up at various points, but he's not on the field. There's not that clear, this is the number one pick in next year's draft.

And then as you start to get further down the road, you know, you get into, and again, I don't know if Thomas Castellanos ultimately ends up being an undrafted type of guy with his size. You would say that historically. Five, 10. Five, 10. He's five, 10.

200 pounds, maybe. Yeah, he's, I mean, but again, that's basically exactly Kyler Murray. They look physically the same. They wear the same number, same play style. One of the cool things that Bill's doing though is, I mean, they're running like NFL offense. Like you will see them play jumbo formations and like shift all the extra offensive linemen before a snap. Defensively, they're running NFL type schemes, which if you're building a mid-level, and I don't want to be offensive to Bill or my alma mater here, but you know, listen, it's not Florida State. It's not Alabama. It doesn't have that.

It has history, but it's not a program that has the resources. They have high academic standards, all those things. One of the ways that you maybe can get ahead is you run an NFL program and it's not spread offense and we're going to do things the way that college football is.

It's, hey, let's, we're in the Northeast. We recruit offensive linemen up here. We can recruit pro-style quarterbacks. And Consolanos is beyond a pro-style quarterback.

And obviously he played in Florida earlier on in his college career, but that might be the answer of how you kind of stay in that mix. And I like that Bill didn't entirely shoot down the playoff question. You know, it was, yeah, we're one play at a time, but it's a good thing for college football. There are so many more programs right now that have a legitimate shot to be playing for something meaningful as we get into January. I think that's one of the fun things right now in all of college football. Of course, you want a lot of games in the NFL as well. Let's get back to the week five slate in the NFL on the other side of this bricks. We've got some really good match-ups.

We also, that includes Sunday morning, bright and early, Jets Vikings from London. Rich Eisen's going to be calling that game. He's going to be joining us at the top of the next hour right here on the Rich Eisen Show.

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Yes sir, that's amazing. Have you ever woken up in the middle of the night and you've had it in your arms and you've been spooning with it, my Heisman? No, no, there's no spooning. There's no Heisman spooning? By the way, I would absolutely spoon with a Heisman if I won the Heisman. Now taking part in the Rich Eisen Show Throw Challenge, Kyler Murray, is this the first NFL Duke ball that you've thrown? That's an NFL, oh my God, you won't even answer that.

Wow, go for it Kyler, go for it. That's one. That's one, here we go. That's two, Kyler Murray, that's three. By the way, that's four. Those are all Duke NFL footballs, just wanted everyone to know that. First overall pick.

First overall pick. That's four. That's five, these are the footballs Kurt Warner complained about. That's six.

That's seven. That's, oh my goodness, let's get some, here we go. Keep going.

I'm off. You got one more? Hold on, this is getting bad.

Here we go, no, it's getting bad. You got seven for first seven. Good enough, seven out of 10. Kyler Murray, good to see you man, congratulations. You won the Heisman and it seems the Rich Eisen throwing contest in the same year.

That's a first, no one could ever take that away from you. Sneaky good game on the week five NFL slate, or at least let's say sneaky intriguing game. All right, what do you got? Is Browns at commanders. The commanders right now, one of the, I think have the player who right now, if you had to vote for rookie of the year, it would be 50 to zero, right? I don't think anybody else is getting votes over Jayden Daniels at this stage. Jayden Daniels is getting MVP votes right now. Let's not get crazy.

Why not? He's doing things that have not been done. When you see stats like he has the highest completion percentage in four games in NFL history, not by a rookie, not the first four games, just the highest four game completion percentage in NFL history, just above Peyton Manning. And there's a bunch of other, it's like Breese, Brady and all that.

I mean, you see it. And absolutely it's so unique because that would qualify as one of the biggest surprises to me in the NFL right now, which is not that he's playing well, because there were enough people who through the pre-draft process said like, this guy's maybe the best pocket passer on all these top quarterbacks in this draft. I had one, I went back and read the quote in the story that I do every year. And actually I'll pull it up here where- Oh, one of the best stories of the year.

Yeah, I love that. Yeah, 10,000 words on all the quarterbacks in the draft. I talked to NFL coaches and scouts about them. And Caleb Williams was consensus the number one pick. And we are still early. There's plenty of time for Caleb to catch up.

Then there's circumstances, we're four games in. But here was a quote, the lead quote in the Jayden Daniels section of that story. If I was picking, I would pick Jayden Daniels, number one. Better athlete.

I think he loves football more. I believe that he's just a better bleeping player. And I think he's on the rise and Caleb's kind of going lateral. That was the case for Jayden Daniels. Again, Caleb was the consensus number one guy. But Jayden, there was certainly a case you could make that this is the guy you should be drafting.

All things equal. For the Bears to do what they would have had to go against every convention, what everybody thought that they should do. And Caleb's a really dynamic player. And again, he wasn't as polished in college. Nobody should expect that in the first four games, all of a sudden he's going to become an elite pocket passer. Jayden was already there and he was getting better and better through his course for his college career. And then he got a Browns team that was in the playoffs last year.

And right now it's just so bumpy for them with everything. I know that a lot of it focuses on Deshaun Watson, but Deshaun Watson isn't the one dropping the passes. Deshaun Watson's not, he is the one playing behind an offensive line that's literally the second group.

He didn't have either of his starting tackles. He's got another one on IR. I mean, everybody's hurt in front of him, but you watch and you're like, you just want them to be a little bit better than they are. And Kevin Stefanski is a two-time NFL coach of the year for a reason. He knows how to solve these issues.

And so you have history to make you believe they're going to figure this out. But it's challenging right now. And this is a pretty big game for them to go on the road and try to get a win. The best news in Browns country, it's not going to impact this game, but Nick Chubb back on the field. He suffered one of the most gruesome injuries we've seen in recent NFL history when his left knee gets blown out the back by Mika Fitzpatrick in that game week two of last season. Back on the field, he's not going to play this week, but he's getting closer.

Here's what Nick Chubb had to say about being back on the field. Yeah, it means a lot. I love it here in Cleveland.

I feel the love, the support from everyone, everywhere I go, anytime I'm out or anything, I love it here. And it's definitely motivation for me to get back out there for all the fans. Once you get out there and you're running around, it's like you're eight years old again.

It's like riding a bike. And that's not something that's in my head. I mean, you can't control that, so you don't go out there and play fast. So it still remains to be seen what version of Nick Chubb we get when he comes back onto the field. They adjusted his contract. The more he plays, the better he plays, the more money he's going to make.

But we'll see. It's still an unknown, but the fact they're opening the window now at least suggests sometime in the next three weeks, they think he's got a shot to be back onto the field. Amare Cooper, who's also had himself an interesting few months through the Brandon Aiyuk trade rumblings to an uneven start for that offense to see. Here's what he had to say about Chubb. Chubb is the type of running back that could turn a crack into a hole, truthfully.

And so it'll be a huge addition to have him back. Send out the bad signal for him, man. I guess you could say that I'm not a huge fan of it. I don't think I've ever watched the movie, but yeah, I guess. So Amare Cooper, the real headline there, Chubb's nickname is Batman. Mark Cooper has never seen a Batman movie. That's craziness. He's 30, how is that acceptable? We all went through this with my lack of history.

We did this recently here. I had never seen any of the 80s Batman movies. I watched all four. They have not aged well. Any of the movies, they're pretty rough. Even before you start getting to Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chris O'Donnell and some of the weird things that happen in the later versions of the movies. But how do you not see the Christopher Nolan, Christian Bale Batmans?

Like that is a, as an NFL player, I understand you spend a lot of time taking care of your body Amare is very focused on that, focused on his craft. But like that movie runs constantly on cable TV, if you're watching that. It's on every plane. You still can watch the Dark Knight, which by the way, watching that on the tiny screen where everything's dark and very quiet, not the best viewing experience. But I've seen those movies.

Those are the best superhero movies ever made. Just the first scene of Dark Knight, where they break out of the bank. It's amazing. That is, yes. And yeah, no spoilers, but you know, the Joker's first emergence in that scene. Oh, incredible. It's the whole movie.

That is my favorite superhero movie of all time. But I love Amare Cooper's, his initial reaction is, did you put the bat signal? He's like, yeah, I mean, I guess. He's just like looking around.

Look at what the bat signal is. Like even if, like all the movies that I haven't seen. And listen, we're still working through that list that you guys gave me before. Tom had a long list.

Tom had a huge list of movies. And I'm still, I'm about halfway through Beetlejuice. I failed in my promise to you that I would finish that movie before coming here. I'll flip it on maybe halftime of the game tonight. We were here like a month ago.

I'll pop over and I'll watch it. I may have only threw up, but like at least I know the memes. I know the GIFs.

I know the general context of this stuff for what I need to use it. The bat signal is so far beyond like, bat signal, bat phone, bat mobile, bat man. If you've been on earth for 30 years, you should at least know what those things are. Just the blankness behind his eyes that he put up the bat signal. That's blank man, Tom. That's a different character. But also, I did see blank man in the theater.

No, you did not. So of all the things I never saw, Damon Williams in Black, yes, in that movie. Black man in blank man. Not black man.

What's the name of the movie? Blank man. Blank man. He's a black man in blank man. He's a black man and he's blank. All right. Oh my God. All right, I'm putting up a poll on Twitter. Blank man. What was it?

Question mark on his chest? Hey Jake, we need you to cut that guy. I'm putting up a poll on Twitter. Now meeting canceled for being the only white person who saw that movie in the theater in like 1995 would be quite the twist.

I absolutely saw it in the theater. If someone doesn't know what the bat signal is, should you de-friend them? Yes, I would say yes or no. I mean, again, I am not the person to speak on that because there are so many holes. Yeah, Tom really can't say that.

In my general knowledge here. But you're getting better. But these are like the things, like again, I still haven't finished Titanic. That's another one that I got an hour in.

And then my free trial on whatever I was watching it on expired and it wanted me to start over from the beginning. I'm like, I'm good. Nah, you were two and a half hours in, bro. You don't need to go back. That movie's also on every plane. Still, you can watch Titanic on every plane, which is such a bold move by the airlines to go.

Well, you're not on a ship. But you have to be traveling at least three and a half hours because remember, it's not gonna work at the start of the flight. You're gonna get the flight, attend an announcement. That's gonna take it down. And then you gotta watch the five minute video of people blowing in the inflatables.

And then you're gonna lose the last 20 minutes because you don't know, is it gonna continue to work? There's gonna be more announcements. So it's gotta be a minimum three and a half hour flight to be able to watch Titanic. Anyway, Rich is gonna join us here shortly.

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