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Grant Hill: You Have To Pick And Choose Your Spots

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Grant Hill: You Have To Pick And Choose Your Spots

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June 14, 2024 3:45 pm

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Basketball Hall of Famer Grant Hill tells guest host Jim Jackson what Luka Doncic must do physically and mentally to become an NBA champion, why this year’s Boston Celtics are underrated in some ways, if he was surprised UConn’s Dan Hurley turned down the Los Angeles Lakers head coaching job, and reveals why he wishes there was “load management” during his playing days.

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Get the duck boats ready. The Boston Celtics. They are the best team in the NBA.

I've been telling you since October, best team in the NBA. Earlier on the show, ESPN Senior NBA Writer Mark Spears. Coming up, Basketball Hall of Famer Grant Hill. Contributing writer for The Atlantic, Jamel Hill.

And now, sitting in for Rich, Jim Jackson. Welcome, welcome back. This is the next segment here is really special to me, because this is, I can say young man because I'm old, even though I got him by a few years. We go back to high school, playing in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, basketball tournament. Didn't get a chance to play against him in college, but played with him on our Pan Am team in 1991. That went down to Cuba, won a bronze and then been able to follow his career throughout the NBA and his post career on TV with of course Turner and CBS.

So I gotta welcome in the Hall of Famer College and NBA. My guy, Mr. Grant Hill. How you doing Grant? I'm good, man. You conjured up some great memories of watching you at McCumber Whitney High School down in Myrtle Beach, where you absolutely dominated everybody in your way. No, man.

That was some good. Just think about this, where we've been, that was 88-89, bro. I mean, at that time, that was before AAU was like really big, but playing in those holiday tournaments and Kenny Anderson, number one player in the country at that time, and our senior class was there. Is there something when you look back at that time in high school, when you were, because you were a sophomore at the time, coming through that you could imagine all that you have gone through to get to this point in your life?

Yeah, that's a great question, Jim. And I think for both of us, I mean, we both go back to Myrtle Beach, holiday of 88. And I don't know if I could have dreamed big enough in terms of what I wanted out of basketball versus what I was able to do and what you're able to do. I mean, it's been 35 years plus, and we've done some incredible things. And we're still doing it. We're still working in media. We're still around the game.

I don't think I ever thought that big. I just think at that time it was, I loved the game. I wanted to beat you guys, which didn't happen, but wanted to see if I could go play in college and see if I could test myself against some of these great programs in college at that time. And I have far exceeded my expectations if I go back to 1988. I think we both have far exceeded our expectations.

And how lucky are we that we were able to play for a long time? We're able to be around the game. We get to cover college basketball.

We get to cover the NBA. I mean, you're doing the Rich Eisen show. You're doing something that's pretty spectacular as well. So it's just, to me, I'm just grateful. And I never imagined that this would happen. And I'm grateful that we're still able to be around the game in various ways. Well, Graham, what does this say about the patience part? Because back then it was a process you kind of had to go through in order to reach the ultimate goal if you were blessed to get there.

It was your high school, pick your college, your two, three, four years in college. And then if that works out, patient enough to get through, then play in the NBA, whereas in today's world, it's like, I want it right now. And you kind of lose a little bit of that.

I don't know what the word I'm trying to explain is, but you lose something in there because you're trying to rush the process. But it says a lot about back then what we had to wait for and work for and how to get to it. And once we got it, did we appreciate it a lot more? I think we did.

I really do. And I think because of that, because of, you know, the AAU culture was a little bit different. You know, even the person of influence when we were in high school was our high school coach. And oftentimes an high school coach is an educator. They've gone to college.

So they care about the development of young people. As we went into college, I think you were in school for two years, three years, three years. I was there four years.

I think when we came into the NBA, you had a greater foundation. You had the experience of being coached hard. You were a great player. I knew about Jim Jackson before. I knew Jim Jackson.

I read about you. You and Kenny Anderson were the cream of the crop in your class. But, you know, it was a different time. You know, you kind of had to grind. You know, you weren't given anything.

You weren't coddled. You had people still challenging you, coaching you, holding you accountable, pushing you to be the very best. And I don't know if young players today get that. I don't know if they're getting that even in the high school level. The money is so extreme, the potential windfall of success. So people now are looked at as a meal ticket.

And I don't think that was necessarily the case as much back in the day. And so, look, the talent is great. The skill set for a lot of these players is great as well. But those hard moments, those tough times, those moments where you're pushed, those are the things now when I look back, I'm appreciative of and I value. And those are the moments of growth and opportunity.

And so I think we're missing out on some of those steps. The talent's great, but that I don't know what that is either. I don't know what word to use to describe it, but I don't see that these kids today are getting that from their experience prior to making the NBA. Well, Grant, you're down in Dallas covering the NBA finals with NBA TV and we're talking about level of maturity. And that brings up the point about Luca. And Luca spoke about this in his press conference, only 25 years old. And we gave Luca a lot of credit for being a lot more mature, entering into the NBA at a young age. But there's still growth to be made in particular, his body language, his demeanor, how he handles officials. For you being on the ground and following Luca, what's the next level of maturity for him as it relates to not only his game, but how he approaches officials, defensively gets better and continues to grow as a player?

Yeah, that's a great question, Jim. And you know, I mean, you know, you've called games in Dallas, so you're very aware and seeing things up close in person there courtside. The talent of Luca Doncic is off the charts and how he plays, how he thinks the game, how he plays at a certain pace, his scoring, his path, like all of that, his instincts are absolutely incredible.

I think two things. I think, one, the maturity and the gamesmanship that goes into interacting with officials, you know, you have to pick and choose your spots. If you're constantly getting on them and getting distracted and getting caught up in that game within the game, then you become a problem. And we've seen that for him in the regular season, but we've also seen it throughout the playoffs and even in this series. So I think if he can grow up from that standpoint, from a leader standpoint, not being caught up or consumed in that and just playing the game, I think that would help him and it help his teammates. And I think he's got to get in better shape.

You know, I really do. I don't think he's committed and devoted himself to being in tip-top shape to where he can have the responsibility of the ball in his hands every possession, but then also be the target defensively. Teams are going to go at him.

They should go at him. He's not the strongest player on the defensive end. And to have the endurance to handle the responsibility on defense and on offense, that's not there right now. Boston is exposing that.

They're taking advantage of that. But if Luka can get in better shape, really commit to being conditioned and the best version of himself and not be caught up with the officiating, I think there's another level that he can get to. And that next level can help, you know, help Dallas win a championship.

I really do believe that. Are we not giving maybe the Celtics the credit they deserve defensively? I mean, Minnesota was the best defensive team on paper. They had a rim protected. This Boston team is built around defensive versatility.

How much of that is a factor? Because each series, each opponent is different and they're causing different issues, not just for Luka, but for Kyrie. Well, you know, games and series are all about matchups. And yes, Minnesota was an elite defensive team, but a better matchup for Dallas, obviously. I think the defensive versatility that you alluded to, where you have multiple guys who can guard multiple positions, you know, Drew Holliday is not your traditional point guard on the defensive end. You can put them on anybody and he's going to fight.

He's going to make life difficult for you. Derek White, you know, Jalen Brown, Tatum, they're capable. They have length and size and they've learned how to become good defensive players.

Obviously, poor Zingas, he's been hurt the last few games. But Al Horford, even at his advanced age, he switched out on Luka and switched out on Kyrie Irving and has held his own and made those guys work for tough shots. So the defensive versatility and the defensive intelligence of this Boston team, I think hasn't been truly appreciated or respected. And quite honestly, I think this team really has been underrated. I mean, they've been number one all season, head and shoulders above everyone else.

They've taken care of business the whole way. They've dominated this postseason. Like really, I can't think of any other team on a championship run that has dominated like this Celtics team. And now they're on the verge of sweeping this Mavericks team.

And it's like, wow, like, how did that happen? No, this team is pretty incredible. And I don't think it's the credit or appreciation overall for what they've done. And let me tell you, Jim, if they can win tonight or win this series with the age of this roster, they have a lot of runway in front of them to really potentially put together multiple championships here in Boston with this group. Well, I tell you, we always talk about youth and Jalen Brown and, you know, Jason Tatum and being able to have that. Brazilians are still relatively young with regards to where he's at. But how about who's heading this thing up with Joe Missoula?

Last year, it was, is it too much? Is he over his head? He doesn't have the experience, but he got thrown in a situation that's tough for even an experienced coach to be able to handle it. But then the narrative is, well, you have all this talent, so you should win.

But it takes a little bit more game planning wise, the attention to detail. And, you know, Grant is just as difficult to coach talent as it is when you don't have talent. So the job that Joe Missoula has done this year is also, if I'm correct, been kind of underrated. Oh, no question.

No question. And you said it best last year. I think he was transitioned into the head coaching role like right before the start of the season.

And so didn't really have the time to prepare for what that is and the responsibility that goes into that. But and maybe last year was was was criticized and did some things and was sort of learning the position on the fly. But I do think last season prepared him and he is, you know, really just from day one has this group prepared. He's created a great culture.

There's no issues, no problems. They play together. They play the right way. I think he's he has found that right balance between empowering guys, but then also holding them accountable, which is not always easy to do in today's game with today's generation. And he's made a lot of the right moves. And you're right, it's hard to coach talent. There's expectations in Boston. When he inherited this team, they just had come off their first finals visit as as a core group.

They had been to the Eastern Conference finals a number of time was not an easy opportunity, if you will, for a first time coach. But he has improved. He's settled in.

I think he's now very, very comfortable. And once again, I think underappreciated undervalued for the job that he's done with this group. They face some adversity. They've gone through some stuff this year, obviously, with the Porzingis situation. And these guys were ready. These guys were prepared and these guys came out and took care of business there in game three.

Good stuff. And I want to transition just a little bit since I'm in L.A., the Lakers situation and a family that you're very familiar with, which is the Hurley family. Dan Hurley got offered and got brought into L.A. to be offered to be in a position to take over as a head coach.

How much do you stay in touch with the family? You know, there's more than anything better than anybody because of the relationship with the family. Were you surprised that Dan didn't take the job and went back to UConn or is this something you thought might may happen?

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. First of all, the family, the Hurley family, just it's incredible that legacy from their father, Bob Hurley Sr., iconic high school coach, maybe one of the greatest, if not the greatest high school coach of all time. Obviously, Bobby, what he did as a player in college and now coaching. But Dan, I mean, you know, Dan's probably the one guy that I don't know the best. I know Bobby. I know Mr. and Mrs. Hurley. I even know Bobby's sister, Melissa, because she was always around.

She was little when we were having our run back in the early 90s. But I didn't know Danny that well. I've gotten to know him a little bit, you know, obviously during the last couple of years during their tournament run. I was actually surprised that he was offered the job and just because it felt like it came out of nowhere. Like, you didn't hear about it.

It was kind of under the radar. And, you know, they made an offer. There was a flirtation.

There was certainly some interest. But I'm actually glad he stayed in college. I think Dan Hurley would have had to change his approach, his demeanor, his style, if he was going to go into the NBA and have success. Watching him with his team, watching him coach, watching him in practice at the Final Four, it's comedy in some ways. But he's also, like, just very tough on his guys in a loving and an endearing way. Like, he cares for his guys.

He pushes them. He holds them to a standard that and he does it in a way that really works in college. You know, Jim, as well as anyone, the college game is much different than the NBA game.

82 games. You're dealing with big personalities, guys making hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a give and a take, you know, and I don't know if he would have been able to be who he is in the NBA game.

He would have had to adjust. And quite frankly, look, I like what he's doing at UConn. I like what he's building.

I think he has a chance to have even more success. He's built a culture, a championship culture. But look, when the Lakers come calling and you have a chance at an iconic franchise to coach a LeBron James, you have to entertain that. Years ago, Coach K went through that. The Lakers came calling. They offered him a big contract. He had a chance to coach a younger Kobe Bryant then. And I think he flirted with it, but ultimately realized that Duke was right for him.

And Dan has done the same thing, realizing UConn is the right place for him as well. And I'd be remiss, too, if I didn't talk to you a little bit about Kaitlyn Clark, what's going on since you're the managing director of USA Men's Basketball. But mine is more so kind of the process in which it works, because it's almost like people say, well, you just throw on the team and she'll be fine and you need the marketing and you need this. But the women who have participated, whether that's the World Games or the previous Olympics, have gone through the process of making the team of continuity and just wanted to kind of get your take on it a little bit since you're involved with the men's side of USA Basketball.

Yeah, no, very fair question. And, you know, the men's team is different than the women's team. And the process of picking the Olympic roster is very, very different. Prior to 2006, when my predecessor, Jerry Colangelo, took over as the men's national team managing director, the team was selected by a committee. And that changed and Jerry became the authority, the final say on picking and selecting the team. Now I've assumed that role and our current roster I chose, obviously solicited input from others, but I was the one that had the final say on that.

The women's process is much like it was pre-2006 for the men. There's a committee and they've been given sort of, you know, what they're looking for in terms of players, the purview, if you will, what their responsibility is as a team. And so I know there was a lot of pressure. I know, obviously, Kaitlyn Clark, what she has done for the game, the college game, now the WNBA game, and I think women's basketball and men's basketball. I think she has the ability to, you know, be a part of the process or protocol, if you will.

And so I know there was a lot of pressure. I know, obviously, Kaitlyn Clark, the WNBA game, and I think women's basketball and men's basketball. I think she has the ability to inspire not just young girls, but young boys as well. She's that dominant, that talented, and has that kind of game that resonates. Controversial indeed, I understand, and people have opinions, but I think, you know, I think the women who are on that committee are women who have given to the game, continue to give to the game, have been great ambassadors, have been in the WNBA.

And I think, you know, I think understand the value and the impact that Kaitlyn Clark can and will have for women's basketball. But ultimately, their process was their process. And, you know, maybe as a result of this, they'll take a look at their process.

Who knows what happens. But, you know, I do feel that people are passionate either way about the ultimate decision. And I think that's good. I think passion is good. People care one way or the other.

And I think that passion is what sells and that's what's marketable. So, you know, that's what I know. I'm not as well versed on the process. You might know the process better than I do, but we have to respect it. And processes can change.

They can be tweaked. And maybe they'll take a hard look at their process moving forward. Good stuff, Grant. And before I let you go, listen, for the younger generation that don't understand how great you were, co-work of the year with a former teammate of mine in 95, which was Jason Kidd, pre-injuries.

And I understand that, you know, as well as anybody. And I always ask this too, where we talk about the athletes, the players, what could have been? And you always say, well, we don't regret. We don't look back at it with something didn't happen, but it did. But is there, from a career perspective, before I let you go, if you could go back and change time? And I'm not going to say a regret.

If you could change something career-wise for you, what would it be? It's a great question. And I appreciate, you know, first of all, the compliment, the kind words. You know, we played in a different era. And, you know, there's a distinction between being hurt and being injured when we played.

Regardless, you were expected to play whether you were hurt or injured. That has changed now. Now we protect our investment. We, you know, workload and rest, you know, rest manager. What's the term? Rest... Load management.

Load management is a term that was non-existent back in the 90s. And I don't mind that. Like, I don't mind that at all. I'm one of the old guys that doesn't mind that because I would have benefited if I had a team, an organization looking out for my best interests long term. So to answer your question, I think the one thing was I would have listened to my body.

And, you know, Otis Thorpe, who I was a veteran when I played in Detroit, won a championship with the Houston Rockets, a great teammate, a great leader. You know, he used to tell me when I was young, your body talks to you. You just have to learn how to listen to it. And I didn't listen. I didn't trust my instincts. I didn't trust what my body was telling me.

I was listening to the so-called experts. And it really derailed what had a chance to be a real special career and a real special trajectory from my first six years in the NBA. And so I don't have regret. I mean, I appreciate the struggle as difficult as it was. I also appreciate coming back from the struggle and being able to play at the end of my career a shell of myself, but still being able to play and appreciate the privilege to play.

But if I could go back, yes, I would listen to my body, trust my instincts, trust what my body is telling me. And maybe, you know, maybe the injuries and all of that might have been much, much different if I had done so. Jimmy, I'm glad you brought up how great Grant Hill was because, you know, we're at a time now where kids nowadays, they're trying to erase Michael Jordan out of the record books saying he wasn't the greatest of all time. And so when you have someone, and Grant, what's up?

How you doing, man? Someone like you, I grew up in that era of you and Jimmy. And to me, you're one of my greatest what ifs.

If the ankle had not gotten hurt, we'd be looking at Grant Hill as one of the absolute greatest players of all time. So I'm glad you brought that up, Jimmy. Oh, wait, I'm not letting you off the hook like that, TJ. OK, you know, Grant got something for you. TJ said your greatest accomplishment ever in life was? Well, I mean, you won national championships and you were a great basketball player in the NBA and, you know, everything you've done post basketball. But Grant, let's be honest, the greatest accomplishment was you pull a misdemeanor at a certain age. We knew and we went that that that Grant Hill's the man right there.

So respect, respect. I appreciate that. And let's just say I was an overachiever.

I overachieved with Tamia for sure. Can you sing? Can you sing, Grant?

You try sometimes. See you posting stuff and you dancing. Are you a shower singer or do you sing in the studio with her sometimes? Or she say, Grant, get out of my face.

Yeah, yeah. To me, it says that I can't even sing in the shower. Sometimes when I try to sing, she's like, are you trying to be off key?

Like you have to you have to work to be off key. And and I'm like, no, but I can do it with ease. But now with her singing, you really don't even want to say, you know, it's like it's like, why should I even try to sing when, you know, she has a voice like that? She just you only want to do karaoke with her. Does it get old? Are you like, man, I don't feel like hearing that today, but that's just to me and that's, you know, does it? Yeah, you know, it's funny.

Be careful with this. She's obviously has a great voice. And like like anyone, she's, you know, here's a song.

She's always singing it, humming it. We could be in the kitchen. We could be in the car. You know, we could be just, you know, she could be in her closet and she's singing and she's always singing. And sometimes you're like, hey, can you can you can I just think for a sec? Like, but but the most important thing, like, man, like she can like I'm like, wow, like she's singing this song on the radio and she sounds better than the actual singer. And so sometimes I do most of the time I do like, wow, like she's got an incredible voice. And how lucky is she that she was given that voice like that voice is an instrument and she's protected it and she can still get out there and blow. And but yeah, I don't like doing karaoke with her.

I don't like singing in her presence at all. No, man. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Enjoy your time down there in Dallas. Hopefully we can get another game because as basketball enthusiasts, we want to see more basketball, not less. And hopefully the Mavs can put something together.

It's going to be a tough one to overcome the South Boston team. But enjoy it. Look forward to more coverage. Randy, thank you for coming on. I appreciate having me, guys. Thanks so much. Thank you, Grant.

Oh, man, that was great. I mean, just a lot of wealth of knowledge there. Yeah. With regards to, you know, Lucas situation and to your point, T.J., with Grant Hill, it was at a point in his rookie year, second year in Detroit where he was next up.

It was Grant Hill. Is he the next Jordan Michael Jordan? Is he the next dominant player?

And he was just scratching the surface of how good because he was that point forward. Yeah. Triple doubles. Six eight.

Six eight can handle. He was beginning to get his shot extended because he had that little pull up crossover at the free throw line. Explosive. Explosive off the dribble. They would put Grant on the left hand side of the court, let him go to work with that crossover, isolate him. But then it was this, the knowledge of the game and the injuries, i.e.

a Penny Hardaway, cut that short of Brandon Roy, of how, what his greatness. But he did say this, and I think this is the adversity that he had to go through. The learning aspect to continue to play and then the appreciation later in his career when he was a shell of himself, but he was still able to contribute. He appreciated that a lot more. I'm sure. And we don't have regrets, but we do go back and say, oh, it's the what if.

Like, what if I didn't get hurt here or I could have took care of myself a little bit more where I could have been? We'll never know, but he was, Grant Hill was the man, so. Did you grow up? I mean, I grew up, but I know you, I know you, Duke, you didn't care.

You East Coast guy. Yeah, I like Duke as a kid. They had a player from Alaska where I was from, Trajan Langdon and then later Carlos Boozer. And so, you know, I followed Duke. I really enjoyed Grant Hill. And unlike you guys, I thought he was going to be top 10 all time when it was all said and done.

You just look what he did in college. And it's just, you know, it's part of life, part of the sporting life that we live, that injuries take their toll and and kind of derail certain careers. And you're forever robust as fans. Yeah.

And you're forever left playing the what if game. Yeah. And it's too bad that's with Grant. But yeah, that was great with him.

No, he's awesome, man. And we appreciate him coming on and stay with us. We got to take a quick break, but come on back on the other side. Got a little bit more to talk about.

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Just go to linkedin.com slash direct and get started. I do believe it was the first time that we met. I'm going to bring this up. It was in the city of Houston. It was the first ever Super Bowl the NFL network had ever covered. But you and the entire Manning family strolled into the Gatorade suite and who did you hear singing karaoke in the Gatorade suite that night? It was a beautiful voice. Would you say like in terms of like an angel bringing us in and there we walk in and we see see Rich Eisen karaoke dominating. To basically by the way nobody else in the room right? Just solo.

You get a little practice. There was my me and my buddy. There was nobody else. What song Eli? That's a good question. Sinatra. Sinatra. I forget which one it was. Okay. Well I mean did you have to ask?

Yeah. Seriously it was me and my buddy. I remember we walked in and yeah we joined but we joined right in. You did sing right? You guys all did get on the mic. I think we got up there you know.

We can't turn that down. No I know and it was honestly me. I was obviously like pre-cell phone. I mean you had cell phone but pre like you know I had a camera. You didn't worry about anybody filming.

There's no video. You saw karaoke you sang. You don't think twice. It was just the moment.

Yeah that's it. You didn't have to memorialize it. It was me my buddy Doug and then it was I think your entire family. Yeah probably the whole crew yeah. Your mom and your dad. You and you and Peyton and Copper.

And Copper. Yeah exactly and what do you have a go-to karaoke song Eli at all? It's changed over the years obviously.

Yeah you kind of go with the times. You know Footloose has always been one you know just because you can kind of dance with it but now you know it's it's tough. It's tough to do karaoke now. You're just kind of worried you know people are filming all the time. Then they judge and you know I get judged enough.

I don't need to be judged on my singing ability. That's you know that's that's fun. Yeah everybody's made it too serious. Welcome back to the Rich Eisen Show Radio Network. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show Desk furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you.

Call, click, grainger.com or just stop by. How about this? Talk a little football right now. Let's do it. And a little cha-ching. Former number one pick Trevor Lawrence.

Yes sir. Five-year extension 275 right on par with what Joe Burrow signed on 275. Thoughts? 200 million by the way guaranteed. 200 million guaranteed. Straight cash.

Straight cash homie. You know and it's one of those things too people say well the numbers they're not winning. Your value is what your franchise is willing to pay you.

What the market is okay. So whether you think it's worth it or not Jacksonville felt they he's worth it. And they worth it meaning 200 million is guaranteed. It's crazy. It's crazy. Anybody see this coming? I mean it was obvious that they were going to extend the deal. I think it was I think unfortunately we probably all saw this coming.

Just based on the signings. Why unfortunately though dog? Yeah yeah come on. What what has what what has he done to earn this? What is he what has he done? I must have forgot when Jacksonville made the Super Bowl the last couple years. Joe Burrow's been to the Super Bowl. Joe Burrow almost won the Super Bowl. Well what about Justin Herbert?

Again I I don't I don't think I'm just I don't think Herbert's worth that much. Well Mark Jackson has two MVPs. Jaywin Hertz been to the Super Bowl. Almost won it.

Probably probably should have won it if not for a bad call. Uh yeah yeah the best player in the league in the last decade is even on the list. Yeah I just I I I think if you you look at these guys. Who are you taking first in a draft out of these six guys?

Oh I'm stuck between Lamar and Joe. Yeah Burrow. Me. Yep.

Those I mean. And that's two MVPs and a Super Bowl appearance. Yeah. I mean I like Justin Herbert but I mean the guy's got a 500 career record right? I mean Chris's thing Joe Lawrence has the same stats as Gardner Minshew.

And they kind of ran garden garden out of there too. What are we doing? Chris's thing Jimmy is like he he hates the way and I get what he's saying like the way these numbers are situated for these quarterbacks and resigned to the fact that like all right well it's your turn so you have to get this amount no matter what you've accomplished. So Chris's biggest problem is with that like like he just said what has this guy done to deserve this amount of money.

Today I just had kind of just a different thought in mind. It's in two years it's going to look like a great deal when quarterbacks are getting you know 65 million dollar contracts. We talked before Chris about who's going to reach the 70 million dollar number for so I guess the way to look at it is you know this contract it'll seem worthwhile in a few years when everyone else is just you know Brock Purdy is going to get 90 million dollars a year at this rate and he's and he's better than how many of the guys in that list.

But did you take Brock Purdy over over Trevor Lawrence? No here's the key word deserve. That's the key word because whether you deserve something or not we've seen a lot of times if somebody we felt didn't deserve or should deserve more and it hasn't happened. So if the franchise is willing to put their eggs in one basket based on the market based on what they currently have and say this is our guy for the next five years that's their valuation system. Exactly I'm not hating on the players get all the money you can obviously. Of course. But teams don't have to do this you don't have to build your roster this way I'm more looking at it from the team standpoint. Okay if you don't accept okay you're the team Trevor Lawrence's agent okay you don't sign the extension not guaranteed to have them what do you do what's your quarterback what's your quarterback of the future you're getting back in the draft you getting back in the draft you go to take I mean he's only played three years so you could technically still have him for another three years you can make him make him play he's under contract for a fourth year right make him play out his fifth year then you can franchise him tag you can franchise tag him the 30th you still have three more years to make him quote unquote prove it and yes look it's kind of the Jerry Jones way of doing business yeah the price does go up but if he's not winning games or maybe he gets unfortunately injured again you could move on and go find someone else in the draft or sign someone in free agency you end up saving yourself money whereas you give him it all now you're stuck you're locked in he's your guy for five years now but but tj's point this deal may seem like a bargain two years from now let's say you don't sign him you don't extend it and he improves so much and that number now now it's all congruent and all the the salary cap would be a lot different two years from now yeah it's seemingly going up every year certainly going up but that money that he's going to command is also going up so the question is do you lock him in now right at this number right knowing knowing yesterday's pricing yesterday's pricing is going to be different and you're and you're hoping that he is on a trajectory where he's improving the next few years he has not maxed out as a player he's not capped out his talent his skills his ability you know that's why I mentioned Jerry Jones he's backed himself into a corner with Dak Prescott Dak should walk into Jerry's office and be like look 65 70 million that is our the start of this conversation big time the geniuses in all of this are the Kansas City Chiefs yeah they somehow convinced Patrick Mahomes to sign this 10-year 450 million dollar deal that now looks like I mean that's like pocket change now that's five bucks compared to all these guys would they have all that jewelry if he hadn't because that money they saved allowed them to obviously re-sign and pay other players so now you look at if he would have been greedy and went for that big bag does that change no it was the big bag back then three years ago yeah but we were still kind of I think at that point we're like yeah let's see when he signed it it was like it was like it was a but he was number one he's now gone from one to ten yeah uh-huh but if you're from a leverage perspective just think about it this as a young player and this happens in basketball they say well why do you leave college after one year when maybe you may not be an NBA prospect or because you want to get to that second contract right you want to get through the three-year period of your rookie deal yeah when the team has an option you want to get to that next contract so when you're in your 20s you can have two contracts big time and it's the same thing here with trevor you sign this early a five-year extension on the back end of what he's in now he's still relatively young for that next deal if he's on the trajectory that we're projecting where we think he's going to be the team is you get another big contract so it's strategic on both i so i understand both sides of the from the franchise perspective of trying to lock in and get him at today but from a player an agent perspective you want to have as many contracts as you can while he's in his growth period and before he reaches his maturation point where he can't get it and that's that's the tug of war and in today's world with the way tv money works back in the day you know early in my career the tv money wasn't there so you base a lot of the salary cap around ticket sales merchandise parking uh suite sales those things really influenced what the market was what you could pay players with the salary cap once tv came into it nationally and internationally internationally hey sometimes you'll see stadiums that aren't sold out but owners are still making money oh yeah so the tv money influenced so much more and it's continuing to grow look at what the you know the nba has done with their 7 billion dollar tv going from 2.7 to 7 billion i think it is crazy you know 11 year deal coming up but that's where and you gotta understand like in basketball you say well how does this player get paid this money why did he get paid it seemed like he's overpaying well it's a penalty when you don't pay 90 of the salary cap somebody has to get the money yeah so who you choose to give it to depending on who's free agent at that time or who you can get in to come in or who you're retaining as a free agent and signing is very important joe johnson i remember he signed a big deal in atlanta i was like why would you pay him that much because he's a star you're not going to get another player like that so the timing was perfect for joe not that he didn't deserve it but they had to pay no reggie jackson i think got a big deal in detroit they what why'd you pay what he had to pay and football is the same kind of thing in regards to the salary cap and locking in the big time quarterback for the future also quarterback it's not like you can just go plug another guy in the quarterback it's the toughest position out there so you get a guy you almost have to run with him unless he's just awful because it's tough to play this position so you've got to lock your guy up and you got to stick with him unfortunately for for better or for worse i shouldn't say unfortunately but for better or for worse you got to stick with him well great great conversation we'll take a short break here hey i'm ryan reynolds recently i asked mint mobile's legal team if big wireless companies are allowed to raise prices due to inflation they said yes and then 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troy hawkins that is a name i have not heard in a while yeah yeah okay patrick um look i appreciate you calling in here greatly and i appreciate the text exchange that i had with you the other day where you were gentle in rejecting my suggestion to give you a new nickname of the patril i really appreciate that pat it was it was a good idea i mean i just kind of was playing down the nicknames as much as possible as i uh at that point so it's okay great so you're saying you're saying it works for you no no no a second you you're saying that it's not a judgment on the actual creativity of the nickname it's just you attempting to be humble tamping down any of the accolades right now because you're focused on winning is that what you're saying well yeah i mean just for me in general i mean it's it's all about the football it's all about the team and so i know that the nicknames are cool things to do with the social media and everything that's around right now but uh for me it's all about 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you want to sit on the celtics bench i know that right huh if i could if you could get a flight and i could get you to sit on the bench how tempted would you be do i do i get to cheer of course you said it's going to be probably more a lot more boston fans i gotta say mark spear said expect a lot of green tonight in the house oh bro sorry 440 don't get into 949 no but what you can do i'll be there for the celebration since your big time jump on that pj bro oh i mean it's big baller i gotta think about it we got peeps though right that can get you on the right of course you got friends that got no doubt the best thing about having a yacht friends and a plane is friends who have friends who have them i don't want them nope hey speaking speaking of the rings the celtics are about to win tonight did you see kansas city the chiefs got theirs last night the third ring for patrick wow company look at this got the game-winning play from overtime on the inside this is a new thing right yeah who started this where they were they the top screws off and there's stuff on the inside right i first team it was at the rams i don't know i want to see jason eric jason eric sheeb and jason's of beverly hills i think was the first person who you know made the ring so you could take them off and make madonna out of them if you need oh yeah so you can wear like the top right here and the ring the rest of it i want to say he was the first person to do these cheese rings i was watching some of the videos last night they are filthy they're so nice you know they said there was an error in the ring though they have the they have yeah all the teams that they played and they have this is so minor it's like miami as miami is the seventh seed and they weren't it's miami was the sixth seed pittsburgh was the seventh guess what who cares you know i guess that's it you don't but you you spend that kind of money you spend that kind of money yeah but it's sitting inside of the ring it's not on the outside i'm not tripping i'm not tripping attention attention to detail everything matters especially when you're paying for it i do love that the game-winning play from overtime is on the inside yeah that these rings are dope awesome all right somebody beat them next year steelers baby here we come next year jim since you're here in the next hour we're not going to do it now we got to play win-loss stealers jim right yes i'm pumped right now quarterback situation so you're you're happy you're you're into it you're into russ because we don't have he doesn't have to be great he has to be good okay black and gold here we go go baby that was my point is he still good i think he's still i think he's still okay okay good you got pick and steal back there right yeah you know but i just and jay i mean they don't need him you don't even need him to go for wasn't great fire move he managed he managed the game and he didn't put the defense in situations where they were giving up um the field a lot because of turnovers yeah so and he's when you do that and you're able to manage that i think russell was at a point of his career where he understands that and come on mike tomlin does this sign him to an extension i know come on come on it's it's it's setting up for us this year us us it's setting up for us this year to make some noise kansas city i love you you held it down while we were growing but now we're back we're you're back baby back yeah french i love when we use we we we everybody is we celtics the celtics don't pay me i say we every time call the children have them fly you down they really should so you can get there put me next to portnoy courtside come on the best you see dave portnoy tweeted at cuban i did what he said he asked for the best place to party analysis tonight tomorrow hill coming up coming up my girl every story eventually comes to an end this june here the final episode of season two of the hit podcast series in the red clay durham in the red clay 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