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Jemele Hill: Narratives And Stories Matter

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June 14, 2024 3:46 pm

6/14/24 - Hour 3

The Atlantic’s Jemele Hill and guest host Jim Jackson discuss the role of Caitlin Clark in the growth of popularity of the WNBA and more.

Jim and the guys discuss what USC phenom Juju Watkins can accomplish in college basketball that Caitlin Clark couldn’t at Iowa, and Steelers fan Jim plays the ‘Win/Loss Game’ to predict Pittsburgh’s 2024 record with Russell Wilson as their starting quarterback.

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Get the duck boats ready. The Boston Celtics. They are the best team in the NBA.

I've been telling you since October, best team in the NBA. Earlier on the show, ESPN senior NBA writer Mark Spears. Basketball hall of famer, Grant Hill. Coming up, contributing writer for the Atlantic, Jamel Hill. And now sitting in for Rich, Jim Jackson. Welcome back, welcome back. Rich Eisen Show, Jim Jackson here filling in in honor to be back. Talked a little bit of football, NFL, my Steelers, my Steelers.

This is the year that we make some noise. NBA Finals, Friday. Celtics have an opportunity to wrap it up. Always tough in it. Always tough in a closeout game. The question always goes back to can you match the intensity that the Mavs and the crowd are going to bring at the beginning of the game?

And I thought Mark Spears said something very interesting. We'll be able to tell the first five minutes at the body language of the Mavericks if they've packed it up and regulated themselves that it's over or they're fighting. I tend to think that from a competitive perspective of who they have on their team that they're going to fight and claw.

I think they'll fight but it is really interesting. If say Boston is up 10 at the six minute mark, what's going to happen there? Does it go to 20?

Does it go to 25 or do they get back in it and tie it up? They showed a lot of heart in the fourth quarter of game three. They could have easily packed that in when it got to 21 at the 10 minute mark and crowd was out of it. Crowd was totally toast out of it over. They hit a couple of shots, crept back in, it got to one and they really could have won that game on Wednesday.

So I think Mark nailed it. We'll see pretty early on what type of team Dallas is going to throw out there tonight. It's all in the conversation that Jason Kidd and coaching Saffert are having or had with this team is like it's one game so we got to take one game at a time. Win one, put ourselves in the position that we go back to Boston and then we approach that game. And the key for Boston too is we saw with Prozingis, injuries, you want to get this thing over with.

You don't know what could happen with regards to something down the line. We don't want to but it is something that could go on an injury that prevents you, that extends this series a lot longer than it probably in your mind needs to be. So it's very important from you know the perspective of the Celtics and Joe Mazzola talked about just doing the little things, continuing to do the little things well that have allowed us to be in this position not only as overall number one team but also up 3-0 against the Mavericks. Chris, you know I was asking you guys this this morning out of Brown, Tatum and Mazzola who who do you think is the benefits the most?

Let's just say you do win this championship whether it's today or two days from now or wherever. Whose story gets the biggest I guess boost by becoming an NBA champion would you say? I mean it's all three but if you just want to talk players it's Tatum and Brown. They are one unit.

They are together. We've been talking about them since they became teammates in the 17-18 season and they've been on this ride. I mean I've watched every single game these guys have ever played.

That's a lot of games. And the media, certain factions of it, have been trying to break these guys up and pit them against each other for a long time. Should one of them get traded, should one go? Yeah and it's always been Jalen. Jalen's always been the one in trade talks.

Whether it was for Kevin Durant or anyone else. And they're trying to split these guys and you can't. You can't break up brothers and these guys have a real brotherhood and a real friendship and a real love for each other that is only going to be taken to the next level when they finish the job. Whether it's tonight or Monday or you know heaven forbid a game six. I hope I'll lose my mind. Thank god I have no hair. They win it.

Where does this duo rank all time with the celtics leverage? Wow. I mean hold that thought. Okay. Keep it because Jamel Hill just logged on. So that gave you some time to think about it.

Because that is such a deep question. It is because that's that's one that's going to come up. 17 titles to choose from duos. But right now look a really good friend of mine. A big 10 alumni.

Sparty dog in the house. Jamel Hill is able to join us. Thank you for taking the time to come on board and join us. I know you got a busy schedule. You big time. You traveling the world. You're doing all this stuff. But first of all I talked to you in a minute. How you been? What's going on?

I've been well and I hope you're not going to ask me that same question about the celtics. Because I was like I also need time to think about this. I'm going to put you on the spot on now because you've been around it too long.

So you're quick on your feet. I know you can give me something. But just real quick before we get anything else just give us a little background. What's going on with you? What you're doing? What you're working on? Well I'm working on a lot. You know I'm executive producing Kylie Kaepernick's documentary which is directed by Spike Lee. Which you know where we made really good progress with that.

And hopefully you all will see it somewhat soon. I also will be launching a new podcast in the fall. And so and I'm working on a children's book that's coming out next year. So I got some things that definitely will be keeping me busy.

And plotting a tv return. But I gotta keep that little hush hush. I gotta keep that little hush hush for now. Just throwing out the little nuggets of.

She tried to bury the leaders. Yeah right. We want to not talk about it. But listen thanks for coming on. And of course this is a big reason why I wanted to get you on. Just from your journalistic background and perspective there's been a lot of talk and chatter as you know. And you've been all over the circus talking about the WNBA, Kaitlyn Clark.

Whether she should be on the Olympic team. I just wanted to dig into from your perspective because you're one of the ones that have covered and followed the sport for quite some time. So you have a better understanding of the growth.

Some of the pains. But also some of the I think the gains that have happened over the last five to six years. Where are we at in terms with the WNBA and its growth?

And kind of walk us through kind of when you saw the change of it start to elevate. Yeah so just to give everybody some background. So the WNBA was actually the first professional team that I covered. My first job out of college I was a reporter at the News and Observer in Raleigh, North Carolina. And Charlotte had a WNBA team. They were one of the cities originally awarded with one.

They were called the Charlotte Sting. And I was covering a lot of women's basketball at that time in general because you had three very good college teams in Duke, North Carolina and North Carolina State. They were all like top 10 teams at the time that I was working in North Carolina. So I did a lot of things in women's basketball very early in my career. And obviously as I covered more men's sports, me covering it, I didn't do it as regularly but always watched, always paid attention, always kept my contacts and resources in the league and in women's college basketball.

So I bring that as institutional knowledge to this discussion. And so what I would say is that people have to remember when the WNBA first started it was like a huge marketing push. It was I mean you look back at some of what the games were drawing because they were on NBC.

Like they were drawing like a million, million and a half people watching the games. So it actually started in a really good place. And obviously I think there's been some ups and downs since then but one of the more inflection points that doesn't get talked about a lot was COVID because that's when you saw a lot of WNBA games and their ratings again took a leap.

They had gone down, they took another leap and there were definitely stops and starts at various points. And so sort of since then it has been like a steady uptick. Now obviously once you bring Kaitlyn Clark to the league things take off on a totally new unprecedented level than what we've ever seen. I mean I think it's fairly fair to say like she's the most impactful women's basketball player that we've seen in maybe generations. Just with her ability to draw an audience, her playing style which is totally part of the modern day playing style with the logo threes, something obviously that people see in the men's game all the time. We know how infatuated people are with the three pointer given the fact that I think now we're at a point where people would kind of rather see the three-point contest than probably see the dunk contest at NBA All-Star Weekend. So she's bringing all of these very new elements you know to the game and the WNBA is generating a lot of media attention that it didn't before. It always deserved to have this media attention when you look at the skill set, the icons that have come through the game. But sometimes the media needs to be drug into covering something by a personality, by a rivalry, by whatever. The same way the NBA took off with Magic and Bird.

I mean it's very similar with her and Angel Reese. And so we're at a really good healthy point in terms of attention and eyes that are on the league. The unhealthiest parts of this are the debates and the conversation. Conversations that I think we're accustomed to seeing to some degree in in men's sports but they're now making their way in women's sports. But the difference is in some cases the people that are now talking about the WNBA haven't been there, don't have the institutional knowledge the same way they automatically have with men. And one thing that you see that is very much the difference is that like there are literally commentators who sort of brag about the fact that they haven't been watching and brag about the fact they don't know anything about the league and that's considered completely acceptable. I can't get on anybody's airwaves and talk about how much I don't know about the NFL or the NBA.

It doesn't work that way for me. But men are able to do that and so some of these narratives and conversations are being shaped by people who again don't have the same institutional knowledge. Like you don't have to know everything that ever happened in WNBA history but you do need to know some key things that happen the same way I need to know certain key things that happen when I'm talking about the NFL or the NBA. Jamil, is it fair to say, and you talked about this, the excitement in which Kaitlyn brings to the table, the timing of it, the three point shooting kind of like when Steph got in the league it was guys that were more athletic that did more things that were dunking the basketball but because he brought something a little bit different that's what the media tended to focus on. That was the excitement.

Kids got into that. Is that more so the case with Kaitlyn because what she was able to do in college by shooting from the logo it was a lot different than posting up inside or hitting a layup. Is that the part that a lot of people are missing from a marketing perspective of why she's kind of looked upon a little bit differently because she's viewed differently of how she played the game and what she brought to the table?

Narratives and stories matter and I do think she has that same every woman quality that Steph does. Most people wake up knowing they will never be LeBron James. You're not going to be 6'8 and you're not going to be 260 pounds and be able to hit the ball like a guard and have the passing ability of magic while also being extremely athletic.

That is called hitting the genetic lottery. Steph is an everyman. He's 6'2. He worked really hard. He wasn't highly recruited.

He went to Davidson. This is all part of his underdog narrative and why a lot of people love watching him play because they can imagine themselves working hard enough in their backyard using their hoop shooting threes from the street and beyond. They can imagine themselves actually developing that skill. They can see it and it's the same thing with Kaitlyn Clark is that yes, you may never be able to have the footwork of Asia Wilson, the athleticism, but maybe you can be able to shoot from the logo like Kaitlyn Clark. That's a very big part of the appeal.

When we're talking about marketability, there are certain boxes that you need to check. One, she's good. Two, she broke records. She's a generational talent. She plays a modern style that hasn't been necessarily highlighted in the women's game because the women's game has very much been, it's actually been kind of a dominant big woman's game. You look at Candace Parker and Asia Wilson and the names and Lisa Leslie, these are the names that have dominated. Of course you have Brianna Stewart and Diana Rossi and others and certainly guards have too, but a lot of what goes on in the women's game happens in the paint. That's where a lot of the dominant players have been.

There is something to be said for that, but it's also narratives. She's from Iowa. This is a place that while they certainly have a basketball tradition, they're not used to being on the national basketball map the way that she brought them onto the map.

That in itself gives it an underdog quality. She's from the Midwest and a part that's not always talked about as being sexy and cool. When you have somebody like, I think it was Travis Scott that showed up to her game in Iowa, that's a huge sort of cultural marker for this entire phenomenon. Then you add, as I said, and I know a lot of people thought it was controversial, but I don't think it's controversial at all, is that yes, you check all those boxes and she's straight and she's white.

Yes, this all makes up for what is considered to be a marking phenomenon for a lot of people. Now, maybe the more interesting question to ask, and one of my former colleagues said this, Beomani Jones, who's a good friend of mine, is that maybe the question to ask is like, why did it take a Kaitlyn Clark for all of this to pop off in terms of the conversation, the interest level in the WNBA? And that's a whole other discussion onto itself. But like, yeah, it's very easy to see why she has become the story in basketball America right now. I think also too, and you talk about this, is that the narrative that inside the WNBA, the players, the coaches, people who've been involved really try to get across too, is that yes, we value what Kaitlyn is bringing to the table, but we've been here.

We've been kind of surviving, but also thriving. Look at the numbers based on last year, the attendance, you know, was up 16%. The TV ratings were up 21%.

They were able to get charter flights last year. That was a part of it. So yes, it was building up.

Could it be said that, and you talked about the timing of Kaitlyn or someone like Kaitlyn, that it was the timing that led to all of this conversation and she was the right conduit to kind of bring a lot of this together? Yeah, I think that's fair to say is that like, you know, it was sort of like, if you want to look at it like a football field, the ball had been advancing. They had been getting first down.

Now they got somebody who can, you know, throw the long bomb to Randy Moss, you know what I'm saying? Like cutting half the field, right? Just take it a little further, but it is important to acknowledge, I think, as part of the conversations, the contributions of the people that were able to get the WNBA to this point. You know, if Dawn Staley, Cheryl Swoopes, and all those women who were on the 96 Olympic dream team, if they're not riding buses and sharing hotel rooms as they try to create what has become arguably the most dominant American Olympic sport or American Olympic team that we have, you know, having won seven straight gold medals. If they don't ride the bus and share hotel rooms and get paid nothing, then the WNBA doesn't happen.

And so you sort of have to be able to have the nuance to be able to tell two stories at once. And one of the things that I love about the arrival and the presence of Kaitlyn Clark is that she's allowing us to go back in history, highlight those moments that led to this moment, and explain it all. And she's also, frankly, forcing a level of accountability in the WNBA, as was the case also in women's basketball, forcing a level of accountability and intentionality that wasn't always there. So it wasn't that the talent wasn't there, wasn't that the personalities weren't there, is that they needed a bit of a flash fire to be able to make all of this and everything about the league illuminate. You know, like I remind people with these ratings that you saw at the women's college basketball level, keep in mind that when Cheryl Miller, when she made her national television debut in the mid-80s, 12 million people watched Cheryl Miller play, all right? All it took is for more investment and all those things to happen over the course of the year to take advantage of somebody like Cheryl Miller, and that didn't happen.

So there have been points where you have these supernovas that happen where there wasn't the investment in the intentionality, and now there is, and she's forcing them to do that. Because realize when the championship game, the women's championship game in college basketball was on ABC, that was the first time in decades it had been on network TV. As people forget, it used to be on CBS, then ESPN took it over, and the game got moved to ESPN, the women's national championship game in much of the tournament. And while you've got more games, it's like part of the reason why the ratings never even had a shot at being close to what the men's were is because it wasn't on network television. When you're on CBS versus ESPN, it makes a difference.

And now they've done that, and so now we'll see what will happen as a result. So it's like when you get these opportunities, you have to have people in the decision-making capacity who have the decision-making power to make sure that these things are taken advantage of, and that is what allows the sport itself to grow. You know, Jermaine, I think what's being lost in the conversation too is something that goes back to college basketball, women's college basketball, and it used to happen in the men's game, is that you were able to follow and grow with a player over three to four years. And then you developed a sense of knowledge, of knowing, of watching this player grow, and we see it in the women's game.

South Carolina, for instance, and UConn, being able to follow those great teams, Tennessee, Candace Parker back in the day, and you were able to develop somewhat of a relationship with those players because you watched them grow. And that's the same case with an Angel Reese and a Kaitlyn Clark. We solved the battles, and now they brought that interest into the pro game. Unlike the men's game, we don't have that anymore.

It's one and done, and you don't develop that. That passion now has spilled over a little bit. And I think a lot of the talk has been the fans of Kaitlyn Clark or the bashing unnecessarily of an Angel Reese because of what happened in college. And that's taken on a life all in itself, even though we're talking about the WNBA, some can be negative, some can be positive, but a lot of that spurs from being able to develop some kind of relationship with them in college.

Yeah. I think you bring up a great point there because in a weird way, the exploitation is going to work for the women. And by that, the women have to stay in college. And men, we know it's a different rule. You can be literally, as you said, one and done.

So with the men's game, it's a combination of one and done, and then you have in wide open transfer rules. So every year you don't know who's where or what's happening, and you're only following them for a short period of time. With the women, you get an opportunity to follow a complete story. And that's why when people were wondering whether or not Kaitlyn Clark's success in college, as in the rating success that she generated, whether or not that would translate to the WNBA, I had no doubt that it would because in America, we do like to follow stories. People want to see how this story plays out.

When Magic and Berg, the NBA scene, Magic won the championship, but people wanted to see how is this rivalry going to play out, particularly now that we know they can play one another for championships. And it's the same with both Angel Reese and her and this entire rookie class is that people want to see how this story turns out because they have been able to become emotionally invested over the course of time. I mean, we're out here in LA, Jimmy, so you know, we know about Juju Watkins.

Now Juju Watkins is coming to the Big Ten. And I have a feeling that her star, as big as it is now, is only going to get even bigger than it already was because now another half of the country is going to see her play. And she's got, I mean, her game reminds me so much of Carmelo. I mean, she has amazing game. She's got a great nickname.

Like she's got all the tools. And she smashed Kaitlyn Clark's freshman scoring record by almost 200 points. She's a scorer, a dynamic elite scorer.

And so we're going to see people be able to follow that same storyline. People have been following Paige Becker's for years, and she's projected to be the number one pick next year. So like those things and elements are why I think the popularity for both women's college basketball and what we're seeing at the pro level are completely sustainable. On top of adding to the fact we're about to get another, we're sending another dominant Olympic team to Paris. Well, I think also too, with the new TV deal that the NBA has negotiated for, the WNBA that infuses more cash into the league, you know, it's all about losing money.

They're turning the page. And I want to touch on this real quick too, in regards to, with regards to the players of the WNBA. A lot of talk has been the jealousy part of the current veteran.

There's always a sense of protection. We've had it. I had to go through it, you know, as a rookie. We see that in football, baseball, basketball, whatever it is, the young player that comes in, young players that come in, because Candace Parker had to deal with it too, her rookie year. That conversation in itself, and you've been around it. How much does that play into it? And I don't like to use the word jealousy, but it is part of the narrative with regards to Kaitlyn and also Angel Reese and the rookies that come in, play into maybe some of the negative conversation with the WNBA.

So my issue again is the double standard, right? As you just mentioned, as a player, Jimmy, you had to go through it. You probably had to go through it when you first got to Ohio State. You have to go through it again when you got in the NBA, right?

It's part of the rite of passage. Whenever there is somebody new on the block, and especially if they're coming with a lot of accolades, a lot of hype, people want to know, is it real or is it Memorex? Are you what they say you are in every level of sport that happens?

And it was just kind of irritating for me to see that narrative be twisted into all y'all women, because it's easy to attach those two tropes to women, readiness and jealousy. And so it's just like, oh, that's funny, because I went back and looked at what LeBron James' Cleveland teammates were saying about him when the media was drafted, right? You've seen this clip, right? Yes, Carlos Boozer. Carlos Boozer or Darius Miles. You had Darius Miles saying, I don't see any high school player being able to take us to another level.

This is paraphrasing. And his exact words were, I hope he could get on our bandwagon. He said that about LeBron James. Did anybody call Darius Miles petty or jealous? Nope.

Nope. Well, they might have, but not to this extent. Yeah, but not to this extent. It didn't overtake the narrative, right? It didn't become the storyline or whatever. It was plenty of players that thought that the dude was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at 16. They were, when he got to the league, people want to know, yo, is he really the generational talent that people say that he is? And obviously that proved that he exceeded expectations, to be honest.

But that's the same scope. But like, I want, because I've said to a few people privately, I just want some of the men to talk about the WNBA and what's happening there. The same way y'all talk about, about the guy like, right?

Like you don't, you don't resort Anthony Edwards when they asked him if Jamal Murray was his role model. And he said, quote, hell no. Y'all don't call that petty or jealous. Right? That's what he said. What that man said.

Okay. Y'all don't call that petty. Y'all don't call that jealous, but some, but when you see vets in the league saying like, she going to have to earn it.

Um, yes, this is, this is what happens. And listen, I know people will highlight the very obvious cheap shot from, from, from Kennedy Carter. Like nobody was saying that that was right or that that was a basketball play. It clearly wasn't. However, if you watched the whole game, which I did, those two talking trash up and down the court, they join, they get physical with one another. And again, that wasn't the way she should have handled that.

But if you saw the context of the game, you're kind of not surprised that that happened, especially with that player in particular, who is known to have a short tube. Right. And so, but they brought none of that context to the discussion. Everything was, Oh, this just proves they jealous. Nah, it just proves that she was battling with somebody who's a fierce competitor who took things too far.

And this was the result. It happens a thousand times in the NBA every damn year. And we don't have this entire broad based discussion about people picking on a player.

And so I just, I just need the commentary around the WNBA and what we're seeing to just grow up a little bit. Cause ain't no Reese almost got her head taken off by the Thomas and I ain't seen nobody talking about twice. And you know why Alyssa Thomas, everybody knows like she finished, I believe second in MVP vote last year. She a real one. It's a reason why she's on this Olympic team. Okay.

She bought that life. And it's funny because the constant complaint you hear from NBA fans all the time is it's too soft. The player's too friendly, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And what do you know? You have some of this things y'all said, y'all missed happening at the NBA. And now look where we are. It's true. Sports are better when people hate each other.

There's real rivalries. This is what we need. We do.

Right. But what I love about it, and I really appreciate you coming on and talking and providing the insight is that we're really jumping into and having these serious conversation about the WNBA. And it's more voices like yours and other women who have played the game, who have covered the game that provide a better insight into why things have played out the way they have and probably more so than not male, the future where the future of the league is trending to because of the influx of outstanding young, talented women and also the forebearers who set the standard before and you keep them involved. So the WNBA is progressing.

I love to see it. And matter of fact, when my son was younger, growing up, I said, you need to watch women play, watch them play, and you'll learn the fundamentals of the game a lot more because they're not dependent upon, even though young women are more athletic now, that wasn't the premise behind it. It was learning how to play the game. So it's in a great place. You're in a great place.

When you get that TV thing going, since you already dropped the dime on it, get that TV thing, holler at your boy, you know, the big 10 in the street, Toledo, right down the street, up 75. I love to be on it. But congrats on everything. Thanks for coming on and blessing us. And I really appreciate it. And as I always tell you, JV, it's like, you know, among the many reasons we can buy is that we both hate Michigan.

We are one accord. There we go. Rich ain't here. You already know. Enjoy the game at night, too.

That's my party dog right there. But great insight. We can touch more on that. We got a little break coming up. She said something real quick that I really agree with. I said this to Chris the other day. I feel like Caitlyn and Angel might be Magic and Bird and Juju could be Mike coming into this league.

All right. We're going to break. That's a great tease to talk about kind of the other side of this.

Where do we go with that dynamic of Caitlyn and Angel, but also the young talent coming in, especially here at USC with Juju. easier and could help you save to customers who save by switching their home and car insurance to progressive save over $775 on average. That's a whole lot of savings and protection for your favorite podcast, listening activities like going on a road trip, cooking dinner, and even hitting the home gym. Yep.

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I listened to it. That's an $84 basket. Come on, TJ. He only has one key. Oh my gosh.

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He's turning the key. Oh, I can honestly say, so we just watched the clip of TJ and prices, right? Uh, you know, in our Roku only segment, that was the most disappointed I'd been since Aaron Boone hit a home run on two Lakefield 2003 game seven, ALCS. One of the worst days ever until I saw TJ perform on prices.

Right. I wanted you to win so bad, bro. I did win.

No, you didn't give me credit for Jimmy. The fact that like, I was one of the last people to get up there before the show ended. The fact that I won the very first game I went up to, and I won it. The fact that I had to spend the will first and then had to survive other two women just to make it like, I feel like I won. I just didn't. Nobody gets credit for making the NBA finals.

You got to win. When you get credit, you may not be well received like you got there. Everyone makes fun of Charles Barkley forever. Even to his face.

He should have punched that guy the other day, right? Phoenix fans give him credit for getting there. I want to, I want to remind you that when I give you the list of teams that have longer Super Bowl droughts than the Cowboys and someone's going to go, well, they got there. Well, they didn't win. And that's the bottom line.

Exactly. Didn't win. So I want to hear that the Niners have been there three times. They still have a longer Super Bowl drought than the Cowboys do. So nobody cares that you came in second, right, Jim? It's like who won the Super Bowl?

Who won the NBA finals? That's true. That's true.

But I know what they care about. Welcome back here to the Rich Eisen Show radio network. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk furnished by Grainger. With supplies and solutions for every industry, Grainger has the right product for you.

Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. Listen, Jamil, when she was on, she dropped a couple of gems that she was working on the podcast. She was working on the show. Well, I'm a drop a little drop a little something, something because I know the world needs more of Jim Jackson. So what we're working on here with the Rich Eisen Productions is a podcast starting in September one to week. We're kind of working out a little bit of the logistics, but, you know, I'm looking forward to it.

All things sports life. She just dropped the Woj bomb right now. Just a little bit. This is something to look forward to.

This is Sprinkle It In for next season. I'm gonna need you to say that with your chest a little bit. No, no, the chest is sticking out. It's gonna be there. Cigar talk. Oh, oh yeah. Travel, leisure, of course, sports, my Steelers. Maybe I'll have a logo with my Steelers. How about that?

A lot of clipper talk. Do you need a co-host to help move things along? Because, you know, I might be free.

You might be free. Can you can you fit me in your busy schedule? You know, I'm only small time. I mean, you know, you're busy. Not that busy.

Not not too busy for Jimmy Jackson. There we go. See, that's the kind of that's what I'm looking at. But listen, congrats, man. That'll be great. I'm looking forward to it.

And I appreciate all the support, too. But I want to go back a little bit, kind of cap off what we were talking about the WNBA, because I think it's very important in today's world on where we're at on the perception on and the Juju Watkins. I think conversation is going to be going to become very relevant. Yep.

Because she's in a position right now where she could, if everything goes right, can eclipse maybe what Caitlin did, if if it goes according to what she showed her freshman year. And when Jamel said is really important, USC is now in the Big Ten. Big Ten. So eyes are going to be eyes everywhere, everywhere.

And a lot of it, too, is because and that's that's a dynamic, Chris. That's great, because I was Big Ten. Now USC is Big Ten.

A lot of those records are going to be attributed to Big Ten. OK, will she? And let's just say it happened. But will she do it?

What is that coverage going to look like? And our prefaces by saying that. A lot of times when the person that does it first, they tend to get more of the coverage because they've done it's like with Michael, as great as Kobe was, we've seen Michael as great as Damian Lillard is, we've seen Isaiah. You know, Steph came along, it was different. He was different guys to shoot all of this, Trae Young, but it was Steph before. So despite the numbers that he puts up, it was Steph already did it. Is that something that from a Caitlin Clark perspective to a Juju when again, I'm just projecting, I don't know, I'm just asking, will we be able to see the same kind of coverage over that when she starts to get close to getting those records? Will the aura still be there since we've already seen it?

Juju may do it a little bit different, but it's something I've always thought about. It's really interesting what Juju can do that Caitlin couldn't win an Addie. If she's somehow able to take USC to the Final Four and win the national championship, that was the one thing on Caitlin Clark's resume that the big glaring hole wasn't able to win the championship at Iowa.

But to who? Because it hasn't held her back in regards to marketing and endorsements and fanfare. I think when you're talking about, I think when you're talking about all-time great, you're talking about Mount Rushmore, women's college players, you can't put her on. People were trying to, and I said on the show, well, if we're not taking championships in the consideration for these GOAT titles, mythical, then Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback of all time. He doesn't get mentioned because he's number one.

If you take everything that made a great quarterback, Dan Marino was the man, but unfortunately he didn't win a championship so he doesn't get named. But you know what, even if Caitlin, let's say Caitlin got one, you look at the women's game, what Cheryl Miller was able to accomplish, what Breanna Stewart. Let me tell you something, her four years at UConn, even if Caitlin got one title, how can you put her ahead of Stewart? I mean, as much as we live in the moment, but Maya Moore. People don't understand, Maya Moore was her. And it's because we're caught up in the moment a lot of times, you kind of, and I don't want to use the word disrespect, but you don't take into consideration what these women did before in college and the accomplishments that they, Candace Parker at Tennessee.

But don't you, I, in a way, you mentioned four players, all-time greats, two colleges. I give Caitlin Clark so much credit for not going to UConn, not going to Tennessee, not going to these traditional. If she was recruited by UConn at the time, you don't think she would have went? I think she could easily, after her sophomore year when she was kind of put herself on the map, could have went, I'm going to go somewhere else. How many females you know transfer into UConn that are not recruited there?

Have you heard of that with Geno? I'm pretty sure Geno would have took Caitlin Clark, right? Well, a lot of people don't realize Caitlin committed to Notre Dame first.

Yeah. She went, she committed to Notre Dame. Then for whatever reason, she just didn't feel right. So she... Maybe she wouldn't have worked out at a huge powerhouse school like that. And she probably needed that first year or two to kind of establish, because it worked out perfectly.

Her changing her mind. Again, we're all talking about what could and the result, which is great for, but from, you think about the women that are able to play now, but Juju is the one up next and what she's going to be able to do with USC. And there's a great point by you and you TJ and Chris, that we rushed to say she's one of the greatest on Mount Rushmore, but you forget about those who came before and what they actually did accomplish, you know, by winning multiple championships, player of the years, you know, records. How do you supplant that by just a scoring record? And that's not to diminish what she accomplished.

Definitely not. It's, you know, one of those things that, but it makes great conversation. And we're talking about this too.

The beauty with Jamil, the beauty about the women's game is that you're able to follow these young women and grow and grow with them. You know, when I was coming out of school, you could look into the parade, all Americans and, you know, wooden awards and you could kind of chart who would be next year's parade, parade, all Americans, or, you know, for first team, all Americans, second team, all American in college, you can kind of chart that based on the previous year. And you knew that. So when they came into the league, you, it's like you were coming in with them as a fan.

Oh yeah. Oh, I know Ohio State has XYZ coming back. Syracuse has all these guys coming back. Georgetown, Duke, all these guys are coming back.

Oh, I can't wait to watch next year. That's what the women's game has. The men's game. That's my biggest disconnect from the college game, from the men's side right now. And you've been saying this for years. Years. And I'm a diehard Syracuse guy. It's hard to keep up with the players. I don't know who these guys are. Transfer portal.

Now it's free agency. It's really tough. It's really tough. And that's, that's my biggest disconnect with on, on the men's side. Whereas the women's side, it's easy to track them. It's now kind of like how the men's game was in the eighties and nineties.

And that's why you've seen such a skyrocket in their popularity. All right. Well, we'll take a quick break, but on the back end of this, we'll talk a little bit of my guys are getting the Steelers. We got to get back. We got to finish off.

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Shopify.com slash Westwood One. What was going through your head when David Baker appeared all of a sudden, Bill? You know, I had absolutely no idea. And the ironic part of it was that I sat down that morning with my wife, Veronica, you know, and I talked about it. I said, I don't think I'm going to get in and I'm okay with it. I almost put some closure on it. And that was okay. You know, when I came in, no one really said anything, weren't discussing it. I thought, well, that's been pretty professional.

I appreciated them kind of like giving me my space from it all. And I was getting ready to do an iVision with, with Phil Stens and talking about Lamar Jackson. And then next thing I turn around and I see David Baker, we all know what he stands for. And, and it just was a lot of things to try to process at the time. It's kind of why I thought this isn't, this is the way I, I thought this was going to be. I thought I was going to get a call and say, Hey, you know, you were close, but you didn't get in.

And we'd all find out on Tuesday night or something because it's going to air on Wednesday. And yeah, it was almost surreal. And it's so funny. I sat back and watched Jimmy Johnson.

Same thing happened to him on the halftime of the second game on Sunday after he got home. And I know exactly what he was feeling. As a matter of fact, I had to put out a tweet and the first thing I thought about is, you know, did Adam Stanley really know that he had two future hall of fans players watching Bobby Buscea and the water. And Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson and I were down there and I remember Jimmy and I, this is like 1997, 98, whatever it was. And, and Adam, actually, I think it's since then retweeted.

And I said, but we're talking about Boogie. Who's Bobby Buscea. And he sat, he sang like Zach Taylor. I go, no, he's like Greg Lloyd.

He goes, whatever. And so it's going to be really, really kind of fun to kind of get reunited with Jimmy over that little one. That's fantastic, Bill. I mean, that is just great.

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People call in. We play the win loss game. TJ's done it with the Cowboys. I've yet to do with the Patriots, but there's not going to be a lot of wins. Alright, so let's do it. Let's throw up the schedule, Mike. Let's go. Let's get it up there. Steelers schedule. Okay, Jim, I'm going to write this down. Ready?

You ready? Week one at Falcons. W. Week two at Denver. W. 2-0. 2-0 on the road. 2-0. Open up 2-0. Wow. Home opener.

See, now think about it. Yeah, Russ going back to Denver, man. Russ going back to Denver.

He has a chip on his shoulder. Personal. Come on. Okay. Week three, home opener, Chargers, Harbaugh.

Coming. Come on, give me. Give me. We owe Harbaugh anyway.

3-0. He left Michigan before I got a chance to get him. Okay. Week four at Indy. That's gonna be a tough one. Tough one?

That's gonna be a tough one. Just at Indy. I just think it's gonna be, I think after those first three right there because we're gonna be 3-0. And we might be looking ahead to Dallas. All right, so you're gonna, trap game? Yeah, trap game. Trap game. All right, week five.

Week five, Dallas. No, tread lightly now. Come on, baby.

Tread lightly now, baby. What do you mean? Home for, sorry, home for Dallas. Home for Dallas. Huh? No, we're home.

Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, you're home. You're home for Dallas. Come on.

Come on. Is that Sunday night? That's Sunday night.

That's right, baby. October 6th, month of the Libra, which is me. I can't get mad at him because I picked the Cowboys to lose that game too. That's our 10th year anniversary that day. All right, week six at Vegas.

Day before my birthday. Obviously, you're gonna be there. No, actually I'm gonna be on the beach somewhere right before the basketball season starts.

Why don't we, why don't we in the club? And I can watch it on the beach. Right near the beach. Right near to watch it at Vegas.

That would be a great game to go to. So really, and I think we should. You're stalling, Jimmy. You're stalling. You're stalling.

You're four and one right now. I don't like that game. I don't like the loss.

I don't like that game. Home for the Jets. Is that Sunday night too?

Yeah, Sunday night. Home for the Jets. We're good on Sunday nights at home.

All right. Home for the Giants. Five and two. That a Monday night? That's a Monday night. Monday night Giants.

Wow. Back-to-back primetime games against New York. Oh, you got to win that. You got to win that. We got bi-week.

All right, six and two into the bio, baby. Could you imagine? Trap game. Trap game Washington. At Washington. Trap game. What? Yeah, trap game.

All right, now. Coming off the bi-week. You've yet to play a division game. Now here it comes. Week 11, your first division game.

Home for the Ravens. You know it. That's a loss.

Yeah. All right, that's two losses in a row out of the bi-week. Cleveland. At Cleveland. Week 12.

Back-to-back losses Pittsburgh. That's Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving night at Cleveland. Not Thanksgiving.

The week before Thanksgiving. We're gonna give, we're gonna send some turkeys to Cleveland that time to the Browns and I'm from Ohio, but I'm taking that one. I don't think we can get the Cincy one. I think we can get the Cleveland one. At Cincinnati off the mini-bi.

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think, I don't like that game. Three of the four losses. Here we go. Cleveland. Week 14.

Home. We got that. At Philly, no. At Philly, no. At Baltimore. This is the last four games are brutal. Oh, brutal, bro.

Okay, let's switch that. I think we can get the Philly one. I think the At Baltimore one is going to be the one. You getting swept by the Ravens?

Yeah, I think that's tough, bro. Win Philly. Lose at Ravens. Chiefs, you're nine and six. Finish strong. Tomlin has secured a winning season, so.

Yeah, Casey. Win or loss? No, loss.

And we take Cincy. So we end up 10 and seven. 10 and seven. 10 and seven. 10 and seven.

I can, I can deal with that. Same as last year. Same as last year.

Anything above that. But I can see some of those games in between there. Like Commander's game I talked about off of that bi-week. Yep. You flip that.

All right, so now you're 11 and six. I see you getting swept by the Ravens. You know how those, you know how those, swept by the Ravens. I don't know, man. But here's the thing, it's when you play them. That's the thing.

Within the schedule, it's like when you play it. The only question that matters, Jim, does Russell Wilson start all 17 games? No.

Black and gold. Here we go. I think something's going to happen. He may miss one where he doesn't start. But he does not get benched. It's injury.

No, I think it might be injury. Okay. Steelers. It's been great. Hey guys, welcome to the candy Valentino show. I'm candy Valentino. I was a founder before I could legally order a drink. And for more than two and a half decades, I've built scaled, acquired and exited multiple businesses in diverse industries. Now my goal is to help you by sharing the knowledge that I've learned, the mistakes that I've made in the wisdom that I've developed over my journey. Biweekly episodes every Monday and Thursday, the candy Valentino show wherever you listen.
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