REShow: Ben Affleck - Hour 3 (4-4-2023)

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Every dog has his day and this day belongs to the Huskies. Earlier on the show, ESPN college basketball analyst Jay Villas, ESPN senior NBA writer Brian Wintorse. Coming up, two-time Academy Award winner Ben Affleck. And now it's Rich Eisen. We should have had her announce herself as a guest on the program.

That was the voice of the Rich Eisen Show Aaron Sheehan. She just hung up from being on this show because we had to have her on as a guest because she nailed the final four and the final game and the final result but didn't have her pool and something where it could be worth money. That is painful man. The final four ever. She nailed all four of them and the results. You know, she had San Diego State obviously beating Florida Atlantic. That almost didn't happen as we know they needed a buzzer beater to make that happen. And anyone thinking what we saw wasn't real, we got a shot at her Sweet 16 and all those teams were like this isn't something that's made up. This was real.

She really picked these teams. Number one, we had Jay Villas fresh off of the national championship game talking about the national championship game from a golf course. We even heard him hit a shot at the end of our interview. That's the Rich Eisen Show first. He's like listen to me hit this shot.

And he said it was magnificent is the word he used. Our number two, Brian Winhorse. What a great conversation about what might be wrong with the Mavs and what is wrong with the Mavs and Luca and Kyrie and the Lakers prospects. A great soup to nuts preview of the last week of the NBA season leading to the play-in tournament in the playoffs.

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It's a video on demand service. 844204 Rich is the number to dial. We will take your phone calls before the end of the show. Ben Affleck is going to be joining us, the director of the movie Air coming up in about 18 minutes time. Susie Schuster is in Chris Brockman's spot for the final hour of the show. She's been with us all day today as Chris is with family. And it's now time for a news update.

I believe we have a drop for that. Right, Mike? Hit it. And now with a report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment.

Susie Schuster. All right. What do you got over there, Sus?

What do you got? Can we get Dr. Spiceman back on? Can we just please get Chris Parnell back on to do more stuff? I would love to. Anytime. All right.

First, first up is what else? Tiger Woods about to play in his 25th Masters and he was asked a question this morning that the whole world is wondering. When you're playing this course, does it ever cross your mind this could be the last time?

Yes, it has. I didn't know, I mean, last year was kind of, I didn't know if I was going to play again at that time. For some reason, everything kind of came together. I kind of pushed a little bit. I was able to make the cut, which was nice. And yeah, I don't know how many more I have in me.

So just to be able to appreciate the time that I have here and cherish the memories. Wow. 25 Masters.

I cannot believe that Tiger Woods is playing in his 25th Masters. Right. Do you remember where you were when you saw him the first time?

I don't. 25 years ago would be what? I was probably on the set.

I was probably on, you know, in Bristol meeting you in the newsroom. And he was just one of the biggest superstars prior to being professional that you could think of. He was up there with LeBron and anybody else who you were seeing coming up.

Wow. And of course he's sitting there thinking of his own mortality. No question about it. I would love for him to make the cut again. I know Brockman is sitting there thinking he's going to actually be in contention on Sunday wearing red.

That would be something obviously everybody would love to see. Yeah. Man, that just made me feel old. Tiger thinking of his own Masters mortality. Playing in his 25th Masters. He was a baby when he first started. And I'm sure you know that car wreck had a lot to do with that too. That brought the mortality to the fucking head. I'm just thankful that our kids know who he is and have seen him win.

The Masters. We're lucky. We're lucky. What else you got over there, Suze? A lot of talk about Dr. Jill Biden inviting Iowa and LSU to the White House this week in the aftermath of the championship game, which I thought was amazing. I'm all for female trash talk, but that's really no shocker. So a couple of bites and a couple of Twitter tweets. Let's face it, you know me and Twitter.

We have a love-hate relationship as in I love to hate reading your Twitter feed. So anyway, let's show a couple of bites, a couple of tweets out there. Jill Biden, obviously a lot of pushback, but Angel Reese saying this is a joke.

This is a joke because as you pointed out, the winners go to the White House. And I'm wondering, Rich, how you feel about that? Well, I mean, you know, the first lady said that, you know, she was at the game and she was particularly appreciative of the competition and how Iowa played and mentioned how she's going to mention to the president that he should invite Iowa as well. And she looked forward to seeing LSU at the White House. And clearly, you know, Angel Reese heard that and took it the way a lot of people took it. The way I took it is that she wanted both to come together at the same time. And, you know, I heard that and I thought that was absurd, quite frankly.

And I thought that that is something that should not happen. I have no problem if Iowa did go to the White House. I have no problem that Dr. Biden wants to celebrate their season.

I also thought for a split moment, because I'm a little bit jaded in the world sometimes, Iowa is a very important part of the primaries when one is running for president. That it wouldn't be bad to get in with the good old Hawkeye nation, to welcome them to the White House and honor them in advance of, you know, something in 2024 that might not be a playing season. But her, if I'm not mistaken, her spokesperson clarified matters today, saying the first lady loved watching the championship game alongside student athletes and admires how far women have advanced in sports since the passing of Title Nine.

Her comments in Colorado, where she made them, were intended to applaud the historic game in all women athletes. And she looks forward to celebrating the LSU Tigers on their championship win at the White House. So they'll just let this die down. LSU hopefully will go to the White House. And then Iowa should show up later if that is something they want to do. I was going to ask you, so how would you feel then if Iowa went at a later date? Because that hasn't happened in men's sports. Is this a double standard?

It hasn't happened in any sport. So, would you have an issue if Iowa then went at a later date? I guess there's nothing more American than saying what I'm about to say. The losers shouldn't go to the White House. I'm sorry. Does that sound terrible?

Does it sound bad? I mean, like the winners of a championship go to the White House. That is where they're invited to go. And it's up to them if they wish to attend. And I would hope that they would. But that was, again, the fact that LSU beats Iowa and the idea was put forth. And for a split moment, I truly thought she did mean they should all be together. And I thought to myself, that is absurd.

For the lack of a better phrase, that is not what this is not what we do. Is it like the equivalent of trophies for everybody? Is that what you're... It'd be like the participation trophy, which everyone hates. So, you know... My children aren't disappointed. They like a little trophy.

Most people are always like participation trophies. TJ, TJ, his children like trophies. Our children, as you know, Susie. Did you know that, TJ? They're his children. Oh my God.

He did a lot of the work. Let's be honest. Isn't it so crazy?

It's like Handmaid's Tale over here. If Iowa shows up separately, then congratulations to them. If she wants to honor them, it would be weird. Not gonna lie. But if it's something that would show off sportsmanship or whatever, I have no problem with it. You want to spend a day doing that? I'm sure Iowa would love to show up there.

And I'm sure they'd love to show up in Iowa and say, see, Hawkeyes? We are for you in the Biden family. I took Rich as a plus one one time with the Angels on the World Series. We heard that a few weeks ago that he was a professional plus one with you. You took him everywhere.

I did. You opened every door. Without you, there is no Rich Eisen show.

We wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation while he's listening to us. It was amazing for you. Susie, you were covering the Angels after they won it. Yeah, the Angels invited me to come. W had everyone to the White House and you went into the Oval Office and I got in there, too. Yeah. I got in there.

And we have a great picture of us with Bush Jr. Hold on a minute. Did Bush 43? You got in there. Not gonna leave me in personally. He did.

Thank you. It was big time. I rode his coattails over there. Because I was on SportsCenter and he recognized me. No, he thought you were Susie's security. Let's be honest.

He thought you were Susie's security. And here we are. We're about to take this great picture with the President.

He couldn't have been warmer. And then Rich's former agent's wife sneaks into the middle of the picture. So we have this great picture of the two of us with Jr. and his former agent. You can Photoshop that out. Maybe we can. We could actually.

There's technology. W and Laura Bush could not have been warmer. Here's a question now. But they didn't have the Giants to the White House. Nope.

San Diego State, do they get to go if that's the case? Oh my gosh. You know, it's just that women are more welcoming. Let's just be honest.

I do not believe this was her intention. And they are trying to put the fire out here. And what I would probably think is we're gonna move on. And then at some point LSU hopefully will be at the White House. It will be great.

And Joe did put out a tweet shortly afterwards. Okay. Saying I'm looking forward to welcoming LSU to the White House. Terrific. What else you got over there?

We'll see what their coach wears to the White House. Yes. Something special.

Yeah. What else is on your list? Your hit list there?

Jill and Carter. A lot of talk. Drew Rosenhaus telling all the prospective teams, if you're not in the top 10, don't bother knocking on our door. How about that? How do you feel about that? Well, he told Adam Schefter they're only taking in-person visits with top 10 teams.

Taking the Dion route with that, right? It's very Zava. Very, very Zava.

Well. We got Zava. Kind of like what Dion said though, Rich, if you wanted him to come in? This was back in the day when there were interviews at the Combine and they weren't scheduled. It would be a free-for-all where coaches and scouts would pull a prospect into their meeting room and you didn't know who was pulling you in until they said, hey, we're with the Giants. And so Dion would walk in, he'd be pulled into a room and say, do you all have a top five pick? And they would say no. And he goes, I'm out of here.

You're not getting me. And when I heard this, because, you know, Jalen Carter, as we all know, at the Combine, had to leave the Combine to face charges in Georgia and then return to the Combine and told everyone that he's going to be working this thing out and he's innocent. We've seen that before. And we've also heard how he's been removed off of draft boards after his pro date, which was patently disappointing. For you to have a poor pro day where people are talking about whether you're in shape or not or whether you're committed or not, that's really tough because your pro day is set up for you to succeed.

You're on your home campus. You got your coaches. It's all scripted for you to not look good and leave people walking away going, what's up with that is rare.

The only other one that I recall was Teddy Bridgewater had a poor pro day. So Drew Rosenhaus doing Drew Rosenhaus things, which is getting out there, getting a word out there, fighting a PR battle, knowing that teams read stuff, hear stuff. Everyone talks, everyone talks, everyone says things. And then all of a sudden your player falls down draft boards. And he's now saying, hey, we're not visiting teams outside of the top 10. So if you think we're falling out of the top 10, you're out of your mind because the way we're thinking about it is if you're falling, you've fallen out of Jalen Carter. If you're not in the top 10, you're saying we're falling out of the top 10.

Well guess what? If you're not in the top 10, you fall out of Jalen Carter's market and you could say that's all well and good. But this is also a guy when Willis McGehee had a knee injury was sitting next to him on the couch on draft night, knowing the cameras were on him, he popped on the phone, making it look like he's making deals for Willis McGehee to be drafted in the first round. And he wasn't talking to anybody. Oh really? He did that on purpose.

Make it look like stuff's happening, which is what an agent is supposed to do. And the reason, when I saw this today, I'm like, let's talk about it because this is exactly what Lamar Jackson is missing. I should be hearing, you know who's interested in Lamar?

This, that, the other thing. You know what Lamar's doing right now? He's taking this visit. He's going to this spot. Do you know where Lamar is right now? He's in Vegas and he's not there to go see a show. You know what he's doing? He's in New England and he's not going there to visit Cheers. That's the sort of stuff. But put Lamar Jackson front row at a Celtics game.

Next to Meek Mill. This is what you need to do. Why not?

Yeah. Why not? Why not put him front row whenever the Celtics and the Sixers play each other?

They play each other over the next week in the final week of the season? Give me a favor. Look that up.

Look that up. He needs like crisis management. He needs to be put out there. He needs like one of those, you know, who's the, like the Washington member, Kerry Washington played some kind of like fixer type person and scandal or whatever. He needs like one of those type people to come in there and, Olivia Pope. That's what it was.

Didn't watch the show. But anyway, he needs that to come in. Well, that's what I'm saying is that Jalen Carter, the word on the street is he's falling each team's taken off the draft board and he's fallen out of the top 10 and an agent Drew Rosenhaus tells Adam Schefter, well guess what?

You're falling out of Jalen Carter if you're not in the top 10 and suddenly you're talking and it changes a narrative and that does matter. It really does. Sixers, Celtics tonight. I thought so. I just wanted to confirm that. It needs to be done. Meek Mill. Where is it? It's in Boston. Meek Mill should be buying a ticket on the floor tonight, watching his Sixers and his guest should be Lamar Jackson.

Let's go. Rich, meet Meek Mill. Hey, we meet Meek Mill at like camera one. Tell him. Meek. Seat geek. Whatever.

You know? Hi, this is Meek for Seat Geek. Honestly, just go right now. Get two tickets.

I think you know how to do it. You don't have to go on a secondary ticket market, but go. Get two seats right court side. There's Lamar. Hey, Patriot fans watching your Sixers and watching the Celtics.

Loose to the Sixers. Hey, you just heard that Mac Jones might be on the market. Here I am in Boston. Boy, do I love this place. Shouldn't you love me?

Get out there. All right, let's take a break. Good news update.

Thank you, Suze. Let's take a break. Ben Affleck speaking of Boston. This movie air is so good and he's the director of it and he plays Phil Knight in it. That's next.

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Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. We have got a great conversation to get to, but our phone lines are lit and understand. Sit back and enjoy this chat that I had just recently with the director of AIR, Ben Affleck. And joining me here now on the Rich Eisen Show is the Oscar winning director of AIR exclusively in theaters globally on this coming Wednesday, April 5th, the man who also plays Phil Knight in this terrific film, Ben Affleck. How you doing, Ben? Good. Nice to see you. Always a pleasure.

Good to see you too. What attracted you to this film, the project? I mean, you know, it was kind of a lot of things at once. I mean, first of all, obviously I thought, you know, the story of what Michael Jordan kind of became and how he changed the sports world and the marketing world is one that I vividly remember and I think is now is very interesting because it was usually the beginning of a total transition from people into sort of brands and the different identity marketing and all this stuff that we kind of take for granted now. And I thought it was really interesting that at the time I wasn't quite aware that it wasn't taken for granted that Mike would be a great big star in the NBA or not to mention become, you know, the greatest of all professional basketball players. And that Nike was like kind of, you know, in third place. They were in the outhouse there. They were like pulling up the caboose in the basketball market.

They were kind of a Portland, you know, marathoning sort of slightly hippie alternative jogging company, but they weren't at all cool in the basketball world and they certainly weren't what they later became. And I like the underdog aspect of it and ultimately I really liked the kind of the that it could maybe serve me a kind of a fable like you don't have to look basketball like you if you like us when like sports, you should love it and also it should feel universal and it was a good opportunity for me to look selfishly the kinds of movies I really like to make and I hope keep getting made or movies that are like about the characters and the writing and the acting and where people's, you know, move you or funny or interesting or surprise you and that's, you know, that's that's in short supply now the kind of conventional wisdom is that that can't be out in theaters. So I was trying to trying to make a movie that crowds were like my friends were like my kids were like my mom would like but that didn't feel compromising.

Well you stuck the landing on this one man. I loved it and it and I was, you know, saying it earlier and I'll say it again now that I'm with you. It felt like five minutes long. It just breathed by and then the best films where you already know the result but still keep you on the edge of your seat.

Like I like spoiler alert. I knew Nike was going to sign Jordan by the end. You did know that the year Jordan ended up being a thing that was around you know what I kind of knew that going in but you knew it panned out for him as a basketball player.

It's amazing how it all happened. But and interestingly enough, you know, we were talking right now just a mere hours after let me do the math in my head the 41st anniversary of him making the shot to beat Georgetown and you know stand in Patrick Ewing's way for the first of about a dozen times in his career in their careers. I remember Patrick Ewing we put a little sort of Easter egg in it went to my high school that I went to the man I went to would not I wasn't old enough to be in high school, but everybody, you know, they're you know knew hey Pat you he lived down the street from he actually lived on that Street which we kind of go to a little bit obviously great lengths at the end to sort of talk about unnecessarily, but it was I remember that game because it was such a heartbreak because he you know, the guy got tightened through the ball to the player on the other team. Yes, and it was a big deal college game even when we were young kids then yeah, the sleepy Floyd ending and but but the fact that you know that play kind of put Jordan in the national consciousness and that is so important for your film as well. And now here we are, you know at Final Four time it is it is a pretty neat sort of confluence of everything together and the footage seeing it in the film is is amazing, but that does bring me to my next question here is you made clearly a conscious choice to not cast Michael Jordan as a character and why is why did you do that we hard we never see his face. Well for one it's I don't have the rights to make the Michael Jordan story and the Michael Jordan if you're going to convince somebody if it's possible that you're going to be able to convince an audience that a different person then the Michael Jordan that everybody knows incredibly well because he's a kind of walking God on Earth and the massive icon you're going to have to get an actor like you know of the caliber of like when there are very few but Denzel and Malcolm X when that movie ended and they showed Malcolm X I was like oh that's right Malcolm X didn't look like you know like I thought Denzel was Malcolm X you need a whole movie you need a lot of work and you need like you know a career performance from a genius and this also you need the rights to Michael's story part of what this is about part of what this company Matt and I are doing is about is you know the people that and what Nike recognize in that deal if you're going to create that kind of value you should be compensated appropriately you know it's the sheer shift from a kind of license fee to some ownership share and that's why I thought like a no one's going to believe me that some actor shows up in the middle of the movie and I go hey there's Michael Jordan it destroys the whole movie because all of a sudden everything else is bogus too obviously you know it all just these illusions like making a movie most of the work is sustaining the basic illusion that what you're watching is actually real and happening so that you invest yourself in it that's the hardest part of it to stop people from going oh I knew this would happen or this is where this part you know where they disengage but to actually connect them with people and trying to sell anybody who's not Michael Jordan the only person who could play it the you know 23 year old Michael Jordan turned 60 yesterday and I can't afford it and but you did need said Michael's blessing correct you you had to I don't think the lawyers or anybody thought that like because he's not in it and because I think you know as I can tell you like when you're a public figure and I am not of the not approaching close to the Jordan public figure status nonetheless there are like your people are allowed to write things and say things and tell stories about you because you're considered to be kind of in the public sphere the public domain or that you know whatever the law is regarding that it gives people some latitude to you know fair use and talk about your story the truth of it was I wasn't going to make the movie without knowing and first of all saying hey Michael if you don't want this movie made period no matter what like I'm just done forget it I don't need to do it I don't don't for out of respect for you and who you are and what you mean and out of the simple basic instinct of self-preservation like the stupidest thing in the world would be to go out and and make a movie which you know then Michael later discovers is being made and says like this is an outrage to get rid of this thing well you know that's just suicide and so I just but I also was mindful that like we weren't paying this wasn't Michael Jordan story and so I didn't want to ask of him anything in terms of hey you know give me a work with me give me research blah blah blah you know wrote the movie like I you know I said listen to me I have to you know all I want you to know is if you tell me to not to just walk away drop and I will and because I have to and I was lucky to get him to sit down for an hour frankly and he and I said look if you I need to compress this I need to change details when you tell a true story a story inspired by true events it's in less than two hours you know part of the function of telling that story is maintaining the essence of the truth but it's not the literal truth and everyone didn't say exactly those things etc you take liberties but Michael I won't you know I want to know what things are fundamentally important to you where if they're truths that are violated it's it just doesn't work for you and it was a very I think tellingly his only concerns were about others inclusion in the story it was like Howard White should not be left out it's extremely important figure in this deal an ongoing relationship lifelong relationship but like Howard of course is still there Jordan Brand vice president George Ravelin deal wouldn't happen without George Ravelin that was good for me to know because this was after the Olympics that this story takes place George Ravelin was assistant coach Bobby Knight on the Olympic team and for those of you who want to see on YouTube there's a really great Bobby Knight talking about saying it then before he went to the pros this is the best basketball player ever that he's ever seen and I've seen that where he says in terms of being a competitor athletic he called it before you really called it and by the way like actually later on after the movie what I found out I saw an article in Forbes magazine in 1984 that said if you you need look no further for evidence that Nike has completely lost its way than the fact that they paid $250,000 to an untested Michael Jordan who's never played a day of professional basketball exists 250 grand that's a cold take that's a cold take didn't last didn't age well orbs was wrong anyway and Michael also talked about you know his few like saying things were also he talked about his parent as I was you know obviously if you don't want your parents to appear in it I could you know out of respect I knew his father passed away you know and I want to respect for his family and I said is there anything that you'd like to include you wouldn't like to be like just I just I'm not gonna put this at all in any way other than the way that's respectful right and he you know he was had a lovely obvious affection for his for his dad he said he had the best personality of anyone you ever knew and they talked quite reverentially about his mother and and and her role uh which I hadn't known about entirely and instantly when he told me that I thought like okay that this changes the whole movie I'm gonna reconstruct this whole story to reflect the fact that at like you know 59 years old this is what Michael remembers about this incident the person that he wants to you know pay homage to and uh and then he told me I had to get Viola Davis so it was quite clear that I was like yep that's like saying you can start a basketball team if you get Michael Jordan but uh it meant that I had to you know come up with something that was worthy of Viola Davis and so and it was kind of in a way probably typical Michael Jordan like well we'll just get the very best you know what I mean the absolute greatest ever terrific no problem that's right so where where did that take place did you uh I mean you didn't I you know I told him I would like maintain the confidence I went and met him at a at a uh like uh you know sunny like a place we met and went to him so where he's you didn't just you didn't just show up at his house like sunny but I didn't call him I know I said where would you like me to come and I will come there anywhere in the world right this is where I am and meet me down the road and I said okay great and and I was really like grateful and and really just grateful and happy that he was like willing to take the time and sit down with me and have a conversation because he didn't have to at all and I know he's famously a guy who guards his his private time and his private life well and Ben Affleck here on the Rich Eisen Show and you know obviously you've been there done that you've been around uh this city and obviously you've been around sports and you've combined them both before and other films um you know you're you're friendly with Brady I mean we're what was it like meeting with him just to linger on Jordan I mean what was that I had met Michael a few other times okay uh you know sort of at events and uh you know uh around so I I knew him a little bit not like you know we're like you know he's my buddy you know I totally like idolize the guy and hero worship him and you know would meet him and try to act cool and then be like you know and this was very much like that he's a extraordinary incredible presence and an incredible I mean you got a very deep you know powerful voice speaking voice yeah uh which is interesting because I watched a Letterman interview uh from his second year in the NBA I think it was and where they talk about some of the events in the movie in particular about the NBA's approach to the shoe and he doesn't he it's really fascinating how much he seemed to kind of grow into that icon status thing you know because now to meet him is to is to really experience in a way and I've met a lot of famous people and you know whatever and I would say he's the most personally impressive person I've ever met you know he just kind of exudes a a power and a strength and a kind of uh force and a determination and a confidence that are self-evident and and you know you do you meet the guy you think this is a person to be respected and taken very seriously and that was that was my approach and I was thrilled he was kind he was nice he was friendly and I you know um I was flattered now I'm glad he said yes um so in the few minutes I have left with you what how did you prepare as if you didn't have enough to bite off directing this and and meeting with Jordan and helping make it happen how did you prepare for Phil Knight playing another icon well interestingly the Jordan meeting although brief you know actually was the catalyst for what ended up being a very you know laborious reconstruction of of the movie in many ways the Phil Phil there was and no one was playing Mike which I as I said I think would be impossible uh with Phil it was kind of like you know I didn't want to try to SNL you know where I get the exact you know mimic the look and the you know and and try to I wanted to sort of capture the spirit but Jason Bateman doesn't look a lot like Rob Strasser and Chris Messina doesn't look like David Falk and you know but I knew that Phil is famous and well known and his hair actually was a little more blonde than I did the but I wanted it to sort of not be like I had a blonde wig and the last stool and that was the only thing that anybody seemed to talk about so it's like maybe I won't do that this time maybe I was a less distracting move and I really was interested and drawn to the fact that like Phil's a very complex guy he's he built this huge company he's massive titan of industry he real like revolutionary and sort of pirate and then he became like a steward of the ship and that's an interesting thing and also just being like a Buddhist and a massive capitalist are odd things that are in contrast with one another and I thought and the truth is you have to have somebody in the store like the true story of this deal I'm sure is much more nuanced than probably a little more boring and a lot of conference rooms and discussions about it but you have to have somebody who has some resistance to the protagonists you know movement forward and also the truth is like people have to make fun of the boss you know like in my experience you know that's just how we are and I thought this is a guy who would both get a lot of respect for what he'd done but also you could see people working with him going like this guy's gonna preach to me about Buddhism now and lecture me about you know and give that that kind of energy and tenor and spirit to what I thought it felt like Nike might have been at that time which is a sort of scrappy place with a bunch of people trying to sort of change the rules and you know they had a philosophy companies didn't have philosophies companies their philosophy is like you know punch the clock and make a profit it wasn't like you went down to the tire factory and was like but what's your mission statement you know and now this is the era of the modern corporation is like whether they do or don't have you know philosophies they all have consultants who say here's what we think works as a mission statement you know and and Phil kind of was an early pioneer in that and so I tried to play him in a kind of funny appealing and tip the hat to the significance of the decision he made and also a guy who could like I hoped you know take a joke which it turned out he could it's amazing last two for you here Ben Affleck it's great also to see you and and Matt on the screen together doing your thing so it begs the question have you ever had the opportunity to do a sequel to Good Will Hunting have you ever had the offer to do that it's it it's been explored people have inquired I don't have an idea that I think is good enough to I don't know what that would be it just seems like that movie is sort of what it is and if it would feel like a kind of you know cash grab trivialization of a movie that is like of the few that are are important to me I really love I like both of the things I wanted my kids to see you know it's there are things about it that now feel a little bit like yeah that was the 90s you know but I still love the movie you know was it in that movie is a spirit of me and Matt as kids and trying to grow up become young men and figure the world out and it's it's like a lovely thing nostalgic thing for me now so it's not like I'm gonna you know I want to have Will now like you know you know he works at NASA and he's you know breaking hacking into the Chinese database and or whatever you know so he would be like born you'd turn him actually actually kind of is Jason Bourne now that I think about it he just grew up in South Boston yeah and mixed it all together and then last one for you you know you you mentioned earlier you know spoiler alert you're in the public eye and to just you know mix it all together with your film about a star athlete having his mother acting as an advocate for him Lamar Jackson is currently out there right now looking maybe for another team his mother is apparently his agent and then in the meantime he's been you know hearing all sorts of things about him that's not true on social media did you see that he used you as a meme on his Twitter account he said it's like he was talking about how you need mental health awareness and then he put you in his jersey caught smoking outside of a outside you know this famous photograph of you looking lovely and I wish it weren't smoking because I don't really want to promote awful however I do my daughter told me who's now 17 years old yes she said dad you know I think your real lasting cultural contribution will be as representative of the beleaguered man I don't think the beleaguered man needs a representative but now they have one I think like well it's interesting because it's like yes I have kind of like I don't even remember what that was just like a bomb it's kind of like but it becomes like a and by the way I'm sure that the point he's trying to make yes my guess is like life is hard for all of us yes it is a difficult thing to navigate and we all can feel I don't even know the details of what's going on don't try to defend or advocate but my guess my hope is that it's saying like life's not easy and it's not a and this it can be hard no matter who you are and you know sort of like be a little more compassionate and if that is in fact his message then I wholeheartedly concur and they're a host of other beleaguered man he's welcome to use you look good in a raven's uniform though I don't know if you ever thought you'd look good in a ravers uniform but I well having met ray lewis I'll tell you what I actually if I was standing next to another raven I think I would not look quite so good it's like this those some of those you see guys in the NFL who are built in a way that is just you know it's a whole other level oh yeah absolutely hey congrats on air ben it really is a fantastic movie I could not speaking of advocating I couldn't advocate uh for more people to see it it's really awesome and I'm going to show it to my kids as you pointed out you want to show your kids uh my my kids only know of Jordan is the shoe guy that's the way it is in this world man you know the same way did John Madden is the video game guy for a whole generation yeah Madden is like they think he wrote the code he's the algorithm guy you know but uh it tells a full and complete story and it's awesome it's fun you're fun in it and it's great and I thank you for taking the time here to uh come always a pleasure to talk to my man I appreciate you right back at you Ben Affleck thanks again all right thank you that's Ben Affleck right here on the Rich Eisen show fun stuff the beleaguered man that's funny you're Ben Affleck Smith Sonny Vaccaro is on tomorrow's show in studio that's on Wednesday though we'll wrap up this Tuesday show with your phone calls 844-204-rich in a 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I'm doing well Rich good show today man I've really enjoyed listening hey Rich I do know kind of the thin competitiveness that you got going on with Susie my mom was the exact same way oh yeah she she and my she and my grandma would definitely while I learned how to play cards they would take my chip and they'd take my chair and I'd have to go go soak in the corner until I learned how to come back and beat them and I'll tell you this my competitive edge wouldn't be what it is without those ladies and so that's something I have a ton of respect for okay did did so did you ever wave your hand in front of your face in front of your grandmother say you can't see me did you ever do that well the bad part is once you got glaucoma it wasn't funny oh boy oh my god I'll be honest I would run my grandma my mom over with with the train to win a board game a monopoly I'm not joking we it was always competitive what's going on with you what else is happening what's on your mind Terzo what's up well I just you know I really loved what we had with the NCAA with the men you know just being completely out of the blue with who we had in the final four um shout out to Seton's wife for picking those four that's unbelievable unreal and then the great competitiveness of the women's I thought those games were so much fun you know we left uh the D&D movie Friday night just a rush to go watch the women's game and that's one of the coolest things that I got to experience that's why I'm just a little disappointed with how people reacted to what went on at the end of that game I hear you quit taking away from the great narrative that these women built up they did a great job it built the game bigger than it's been and don't take away from that thanks for the call thanks for the call Terzo appreciate you hanging on as long as possible and uh one of our favorites Terzo you know sometimes you ask somebody like how you doing if somebody asks you that and you actually well listen I do that all time the doctor said Jimmy in San Antonio how you doing Jimmy Jimmy buenos dias amigos se señora oh let's go let's go Señora is you Susie Susie first give give my best to Amy trash por favor Jimmy I'm having her back she's coming back in to be on the show the 25th okay the 26th you're you're on 26 yes yeah six Jimmy so I hope you'll be happy calendar great that's awesome Susie okay y'all can answer yes or no at the same time oh I like these wow this is like the new I want to go first well he said at the same time that's how this works news see what happens when HR is boozing it up in the fairway that's right HR is not here today okay okay is rich jealous of Brady the dog no okay does rich wish he was named Namath huh instead of Brady I thought your name oh the dog no because we know because we share a mutual love of Tom Brady Tom Brady's a goat man this one just happens to be the goat of Great Pyrenees that's okay you can't hit you can't hit a thousand it's okay Jimmy no do you got any more on the drive to work was it separate on purpose via mr. and mrs. 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