REShow: Bucky Brooks - Hour 3

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It's not my money, it's not his money. Earlier on the show, Baseball Hall of Famer John Smoltz, Eagle Center Jason Kelsey. Coming up, NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Our number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air.

Great chat with Jason Kelsey. Future Hall of Famer talking about his decision to come back. Aaron Rodgers made his decision to come back and play for the Jets.

He says he's been on record since Friday. That's what he wants to do. Continue to play football, play for the Jets, saying that the Packers are digging their heels in on compensation. That's all happening as we are now.

Let me do the math. Two hours from the new league year beginning in the National Football League. Live on the Roku Channel. Sirius XM Odyssey. This Rich Eisen Show terrestrial radio affiliate. We have an in-studio guest here to kick off hour number three. Joining me, sitting here to my right. Thankfully, he accepted this invitation to this show.

Unlike, well, at least it wasn't the NIT where I was invited into. Otherwise, he would not be here. From the North Carolina Tar Heels, if you will. But, of course, my colleague from the NFL Network and the NFL Media Group and the host along with Daniel Jeremiah of the Move the 6 Podcast, the great Bucky Brooks here in studio. Good to see you. How you doing, Rich?

What's going on? You said, is your team in the NIT? And I'm like, yeah, we took that invitation. Oh, okay.

That's cool. It's not below us. It's not beneath us.

It's not. But you can hang that banner. You hang the banner up. That's what we're doing. Like, we're okay with that. Like, so that's the thing, because here's what happens if Carolina goes to the NIT.

Yes. And heaven forbid they don't win the NIT. It's all for not. And then if they win it, it opens you up to even more jokes from all the Dukies and NC State fans. Dukies have nothing to say to you anymore. Oh, my gosh. Like, last year was last year. They're all in the mentions.

They're all in the DMS. They're ready. Last year. They can't even remember what happened last year. Like, sending them home in the Final Four.

That is non-factored. They're back. John Shire has them going. So now, so now the whole thing is like, they cannot win it. Come on. I mean, it's not just sending them home in the Final Four.

It's ruining Coach K's last game at Cameron Indoor when nobody expected it to spark a run to take you to the Final Four to see Coach K again and then end his career. Yeah. I mean, it was great. That's the end of it. But that was last year though. Oh, my gosh. That was last year.

No one cares about that. Like, now it's just all the jokes. Are you saying an NIT banner to Carolina Tar Heel basketball is akin to the AFC South Division Championship banners we see hanging inside Lucas Oil for the combine? You can't put it up, man. You can't put it up. You can't put it up. There's no banner. You can't flag it up. You can't give them rings. You can't put it up. Like Jets fans hanging the banner of, like, we won NFL honors, man. We swept NFL honors night. You can't do it.

That's not the banner you're looking for. We're going to go home. All right. So let's just jump into it. Based on your knowledge of the NFL, your areas of expertise, and the things that you've seen and done and know, when you hear Roger saying digging in on compensation, what does that mean?

Do you think? Oh, the Packers want, I mean, they want big compensation back for a four-time MVP, even though, look, it's a game of chicken. They know he has to go because they're fine with him. You heard Mark Murphy's comments.

You've kind of sensed around the building that, okay, it's done, you know, because all of the other stuff. And when you go to the playoffs, you don't necessarily put it with that kind of behavior. Your tolerance for some of the stuff that he has put them through, they're not willing to go through that again. At some point, you want to reset the clock, play Jordan Love, see what it looks like, and get on with the rebuilding process. But you also don't want to give him away, even though you know you don't want him back. You want the Jets to pony up.

At some point, though, the rubber meets the road, and you have to be like, okay, look, he goes. And it's funny, though, because he is following the path of Brett Favre. That's crazy. I can't believe it. It is the craziest thing that we've ever seen.

Like, as much as we thought that they didn't want to kind of have these parallel lives, they're living these parallel lives. And you're having to live it twice, because now you had Brett Favre come to the Jets. I know that's your squad, and Aaron Rodgers is going to come to the Jets.

I can't believe it. The two things that I can't believe it is, number one, that the Jets, well, the thing that disappoints me for the Jets is that they're still in a position of needing the all-time great Packer to come to them. And that, you know, when the all-time great Packer is in the midst of a divorce, Favre's was far messier than what we're seeing right now. I know a lot of folks are thinking that Rodgers is a diva, and he's just dragging it out and all that. There's nothing compared to what Favre did, like showing up after saying, I'm out, coming back in June to say, I'm back. You know, you've turned the page two months. Guess what? I'm back.

Get out of here with that. So I and, you know, Brockman over there and my other guys were like saying, you know, he's the most relevant player the Jets have had, you know, in your lifetime. And you're going to you're going to sit here and draw the line at two first.

And I'm like, hell yeah, absolutely. Joe Douglas has got to say you have him back then. You put him back in your building and on your cap and in your roster and take him back. Yeah, I mean, because Joe Douglas has that leverage because it's clear that the Packers don't want him back. And so you don't want to give up two first for a guy who may only play one additional year, maybe two years. He really sets you back in the rebuilding process because without those two first round picks, we talk about first round picks being the nucleus, the core of your foundation for your team going forward. And so you give that up for an aging quarterback who, by all accounts, he didn't play great last year.

He was fine, but he wasn't great. The Jets going all in. You want him because he's an upgrade over Zach Wilson and maybe he can be the mentor that Zach Wilson needs. But you don't want to give up all that compensation because now you're all in on Aaron Rodgers.

And it's when, look, it's Super Bowl or bust in my estimation with the Jets. You have to do it. If not, the move is viewed as a failure.

So you have to make sure that you don't give up too much to mess it up. So then to put a button on this, Bucky Brooks, what do you feel would be fair compensation? You know, I would have a hard time giving up a first round pick for him just because he's 39 years of age. How long is he going to play? If he only plays one year, that first round pick, you talk about five years of compensation, draft capital, all that stuff that you're giving away because the first round pick you have control for five years.

That's a lot. Top of the second round, multiple second round picks or whatever, like I'm fine. But I can't give up a first round pick for Aaron Rodgers at this stage, even though I think it's a win-win for the Jets.

It's a win because you get a player who knows how to win. He has a young set of receivers. If he's all in, meaning he shows up at the all season, he's willing to work with Gary Wilson and Eli Moore and all those guys.

It works. The other part, we know that Zach Wilson has always idolized Aaron Rodgers. And we've seen the picture that circulated when they scrimmage last year, how he kind of took him under his wing and talked to him. Maybe just maybe Aaron Rodgers can unlock some of the stuff that Zach Wilson has inside. And so you go from Aaron Rodgers for two years to now a better version of Zach Wilson that maybe we haven't seen. Bucky Brooks here on the Rich Eisen Show in studio, kind enough to join us on a rainy Los Angeles Wednesday.

My NFL Network, NFL Media Group, a colleague here in studio. So the best quarterback on your draft board is? CJ Stroud.

But it's close. And the reason why I say it's close because CJ Stroud and Bryce Young both bring outstanding tools to the table. They both play the game the right way. They both have the ability to emerge as franchise quarterbacks. The reason why I lean towards CJ Stroud is prototypical dimensions. 6'3", 225 or so pounds, natural thrower, maybe the most natural passer in the draft. He has everything that you've always looked for in the position over the last 25 years. And so when you think about how you want to build your team, like that's what it looks like. Bryce Young has all of those attributes, high IQ, great accuracy throws with touch, timing and anticipation.

Terrific performer in the clutch. The size factor, though. 5'10", some change, 185 pounds.

I know he measured in at 205, but he played his final season at 185. And so when you look at the frame, and I think that's the thing because people say, oh, he's built like Calamari. But when you watch them side by side, they're not built the same.

And so you just worry about durability in a very physical game. And I know people have thrown out there, he could be the Steph Curry of that. But remember, Steph Curry dealt with injuries the early part of his career before he became the Steph Curry that everyone adores. And so Bryce Young has that ability. But the draft is part beauty pageant.

If I'm going to take the beauty pageant, I'm going to go with the belle of the ball. And to me, that is CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud.

Do you believe that's who the Panthers traded up to go get? Man, I will say this. It had to be one of the two, and you still can do that. When you go number one, it's all yours. And so even if there was a decision still to be made about Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, you make the move because you have your choice.

You can go to pro days, you can figure it out, you can continue to talk to people. But I will say, when you're in the Carolina Panthers organization and you look at their coaching roster, Frank Reich, big quarterback, played in the league. Josh McCown, big quarterback, played in the league. You think about Jim Caldwell helping out on that offensive staff. Who did he unlock to help the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl?

Joe Flacco, big quarterback that played in the league. And so I just believe that when you're a big quarterback and you've seen the game played a certain way and you played a certain way, you kind of lean towards that. I think CJ Stroud will ultimately be the pick, even though Scott Fitterer was in Seattle when they took Russell Wilson.

And so maybe, just maybe, there's still some of that debate between the two. But I think CJ Stroud ultimately will be the pick. Tell me how Anthony Richardson crashes the party.

I don't know, to be honest. I'm going to be honest. This is a mythical unicorn that has somehow dropped in our lap because he had a dazzling performance at the combine. And I'm saying this as respectfully as I can about Anthony Richardson. Outstanding athlete. You don't see guys 6'4", 244, runner 443, vertical 40 plus inches and all of that.

But at the end of the day, the game is played between the lines. And when people, and I hate this about our part of the business, when we make comparisons, people need to make sure they dig deep when they make those comparisons. So the guy he's most compared to is Cam Newton. And then we've heard some of the Jalen Hurts thing. Well, let's go back to when Cam Newton was in the SEC at Auburn.

Cam Newton rushed for 1,400 plus yards, won a Heisman Trophy, took a team that had one other pro to a national title and won. Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts. I think people kind of forget Jalen Hurts freshman year, his first two years in Alabama, he rushed for over 1,800 yards, had 20 touchdowns.

And if Deshaun Watson doesn't pull off a miraculous comeback, he has the walk-off run to win the game. Jalen Hurts was that good in the SEC. So now we look at Anthony Richardson, who quarterbacked a 6 and 7 team at Florida. He has 650 yards, but he only completed 53% of his passes. When we talk about Cam Newton and Jalen Hurts, both of those guys were mid-60s completion percentage. And so when we make these comparisons like, oh, he's a bigger, faster version of Cam, hold up. Look at how Cam played and look at how Richardson played. We see the flash plays, but I would have a hard time saying that I'm going to take Anthony Richardson in the top five and say he's going to be my franchise quarterback when I've only seen him do it for one season.

And it wasn't impressive when it comes to the production nor the victory. So do you evaluate Will Levis higher? I would say that I would take Anthony Richardson over Will Levis because a more dynamic athlete.

But Will Levis, I think the same questions exist. We've kind of created this thing where, okay, a couple years ago he played well for Kentucky, but last year the tape is not great. And I know everyone is chasing this is what we do in our business, particularly on the football side. When you miss out on somebody, say we missed out on Josh Allen, we spend our time trying to find the next one where we can make it right. And because Josh Allen has popped in the National Football League, everyone is saying, oh, well, this guy has those traits, it's going to work.

But the Buffalo Bills might have called lightning in the bottle. Great combination of hardworking player, great coaching with Brian Deball and Sean McDermott and that staff, and it worked. There's no guarantee that Will Levis or Anthony Richardson are going to work like that because all of those factors have to work together. The only place where I would say Anthony Richardson would be intriguing, the Seattle Seahawks because they have Geno Smith in place. If they were going to drop a top five pick and say, hey, we won't see him until 2024, 2025, okay, we can sign off on it because it's the ultimate gamble. It's more of an NBA basketball pick where you're gambling on production and potential instead of like what you've seen. But man, even then, it's still kind of rich to take a quarterback that you really haven't seen have success in college and say that he's going to have greater success in the league that is much harder with faster, more dynamic athletes.

Bucky Brooks here on the Rich Eisen Show. So now that we've established in your mind that you say Richardson's a risk and that Levis is potentially pushed up because we're all looking for the next Josh Allen and he's somebody that could be reminiscent of it. And that Stroud and Young, we're assuming that's one, two, we just don't know the order yet. So if you're the Colts sitting at fourth overall, why wouldn't you decide to call Lamar Jackson later today and see what's up on that front? Because if you're thinking about maybe Richardson, maybe Levis there, I can't trade up into the top two to get the guy that we would want. If you were thinking about maybe I'm taking an unproven commodity, albeit at the very beginning of their career, the very beginning of their contracts, why wouldn't you just tap the phone digits for Lamar Jackson?

I mean, it would be intriguing and it would have to be something that Shane Steichen would want to do in terms of like that style of quarterback. He has success with Jalen Hurst. You've seen what Jalen Hurst has been able to do. Lamar Jackson is a more dynamic version of that.

The one thing in Jalen Hurst's ultimate leader, people speak highly of Lamar Jackson, his teammates and all those other things. Within the contract, can you put a poison pill contract that prevents the Baltimore Ravens from being able to match? Because no one wants to do the negotiating for the Ravens.

No one wants to do that. I hear that all the time and I understand the idea of Eric DaCosta and Steve Bishotti working on this Rubik's Cube for a year and a half and then handing it off to the smart kid in the corner and saying, you figured out to hand the cube back to me when it's completed. I totally understand that. But you can also just roll with it and see. Oh, for sure.

Because he tweeted out yesterday, Lamar, that he didn't turn down $200 million guaranteed. Maybe you put that on the table and that's the pill that you put in that might be poison for the Ravens to even match. Look, it's a very intriguing thing.

I believe a couple of things. The Baltimore Ravens should have had this done a couple of years ago. You want to do it because now we're going to see these quarterbacks come up.

Herbert, Burrow, Trevor Lawrence. They're going to be after year three, they're going to get paid. Before Watson's contract existed.

Look, it's going to go up. And I understand Lamar Jackson's contention over Deshaun Watson's deal because he looks at his resume compared to Deshaun Watson's resume and say, look, that should be the floor of what I'm getting. But it's a negotiation. So both guys have to kind of go back and forth and figure out what the final number is.

But it has to be big. It certainly doesn't help that Daniel Jones comes in at well over 40 and all that other stuff. But it's interesting because if you're the Colts, do you feel like if I signed the big deal with Lamar Jackson, do we have enough to then win? Because once the quarterback gets paid, it puts more pressure on the front office to fill the team with draft picks. Do you feel good enough about the structure of the program that we can win right now as is and bring young guys? Would you? I mean, I think the hardest piece is the quarterback. And so if you're telling me Lamar Jackson versus what is available in the draft, I'm going to opt towards Lamar Jackson.

Yeah. And even if the Ravens match, you could turn your fan base and said, we tried. I know, I know we're searching for the next luck. We've been spinning our wheels since luck surprised us, surprised you all that we're for the next guy. We tried.

And plus, they also don't have a quarterback to alienate by the attempt. It kind of works on many levels. It does.

It does. It literally, though, is how do you feel about Lamar Jackson without really speaking to him? See, because a lot of this, you do the legwork, you're talking to the agent behind the scene, you're trying to get what would it look like if we tried to put this deal together? Well, now you got to speak directly to Lamar.

And so in having that communication, you're a little late to the party in terms of that. But it still can be done because Lamar is representing himself. He also can say, here's what I'm looking for. Here's what I want.

You start, you're going right to the source. And so now that the league year is about to kick off, we'll get a true opportunity to see what is it that Lamar wants. Because the one thing that we haven't heard, we haven't heard his side get out because normally the agent would do that. He hasn't said that he's put out cryptic tweets and those things. Yes. But we haven't heard how we always were here.

Agencies would make sure that his side would get out to counter whatever the Ravens had put out. We said that if the Colts sign Lamar and they get him, they should send a Mayflower truck to his house in Baltimore in the middle of the night to move him. You guys are the worst. Is it too soon? Are you saying it's still too soon? It's too soon. You guys are the worst.

You're going to have the Mayflower truck like you did. Just in the middle of the night, though. Not in the middle of the day. It's got to be the middle of the night. It's so bad.

Is that wrong? It's still too soon, you're saying? It's been like... It's still too soon. Before I let you go, Bucky Brooks, we couldn't help but notice who you chose in your mock draft for the Chargers. Bijan Robinson in the wake, obviously, of the news that Austin Eckler says, I'd like to seek a trade. And the Chargers actually granted him that. What do you think is happening with the best touchdown scorer we've seen in the league for the last two years in the free agent running back market and whatnot?

Well, I would say that the nerves have went out. We now have no regard for running backs at all that are older. And we've seen, like, just look at what the Philadelphia Eagles did. They signed three running backs, let Miles Sanders go and say, hey, we're okay playing, I would say, like, bargain-basement prices for the running back position. With Austin Eckler, great player, terrific scorer for them, but he's older now.

And so you have an opportunity to reset the thing. You get Bijan Robinson, you get a bigger back, maybe a more physical back to kind of finish it up. In my mind, I believe there's a place for both guys. There's a place for a big running back and Austin Eckler. As great as Austin Eckler is, there's something to be said for having a big back that defenders have to feel when you tackle them. And so when I look at the charges and I look at maybe the next step for them getting over the top, man, it's a physical back that can help them grind it out as they're learning how to win and close out those games in the postseason.

Because that's the next thing for them, is to find a way to close out games. And sometimes having a big physical back that can do some of that four-minute stuff will help them, even though Bijan Robinson is a star. So who would you counsel to flip some draft commodities in Tom Telesco's direction for Eckler and pay him? You know, I don't know, because I feel like the league has changed so much. I don't know if anyone's ponying up significant capital for that, because when you look at this draft class, there are a ton of running backs.

You and DJ Carter, you all saw all those guys blaze the track. You saw them run, you saw them catch, you saw them do all that other stuff. Unless you're Isaiah Pacheco's seventh runner scored in the Super Bowl. And so it makes it harder for the veteran running back on the market to get the money that they want.

And so it's going to be hard. Once you get two contracts as a running back, from there you're on a year-to-year basis in terms of these one-year deals that are maybe slightly above the minimum. It's just very, very difficult to change the perception of running backs. It won't go back to the early 2000s when you saw three running backs taken in the first 10 picks. It's not happening anymore. So it changes how they're viewed.

They're still important, but they're not valued at the same level that they were valued in the past. So that's why I'm saying, if I'm the Bills, I call the Titans and I'm like, are you interested? Is Derek Henry available?

Because to me, that's the guy. You get him right now and you stand him next to Josh Allen on the 50-yard line. But one you can't see. Like now, if I'm the back, I can't see what's going on because I got Josh Allen in the big back. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying you put the pressure on the defense.

Which one would you want to be hit by less coming at you downhill? When you think about that, when you think about the Derek Henry and if he is on the market, the teams that need him are the ones that are that close to getting you over the top. Like the Bills, right? The Buffalo Bills are there because the last thing they need is to take some of the pressure off Josh Allen, have him do the dirty work as the runner. So now you got that physical back and a Derek Henry or another super-sized back to do some of that. And they have to commit to running the ball a little more to take that pressure off.

But yes, they need a marquee back to do some of that stuff to take the pressure off Josh Allen and let him throw it all over the yard to Stephon Diggs and others. All right. The last one for you. And then, of course, I'd love to have you back as we're getting ready for the big draft day. The player you love.

The film jumps off at you, you think. Let's keep it quarterback century. Let's talk about Henan Hooker from Tennessee.

And there's a lot of conversation about Henan Hooker and the age and the six-year player from Tennessee and transfer from Virginia Tech. If he's healthy to me, he's quarterback three. When you look at his tape and you watch how he plays, this guy is a pro. He throws it.

He spins it the way that you want to do it. He has a calmness about him in terms of the leadership ability that I can trust him. And so at a time where teams are looking for that value quarterback in the second round that you can get that maybe can be the Jalen Hurts.

Henan Hooker to me is the one that maybe you cast your lot with him. If the team is good, he's ready to kind of go in there and do some things. I think he is the one that you need to look at, even though the knee is a concern because he he tore his ACL at the end of the year. When he's healthy and ready to go, I think he's going to be a very solid start in the league. And that's why maybe the Colts don't call Lamar today. They can just sit tight, hold tight, hope that... Somebody falls in, but man, that's a lot of hoping and wishing.

I know. At some point you got to have a quarterback. Or you could say, screw it, I'll trade into the end of the first round for him. I get a fifth year control like what they did, the Ravens did for Lamar.

Lamar Jackson, yes. Great stuff, man. Greatly appreciate it. Thanks for coming here, Bucky Brooks. Bucky Brooks right here. Check him out on the move to six pod with the equally great Daniel Jeremiah. This conversation about prospects and the Monster Players of the Week, sponsored by Monster.com. Monster.com can help you tackle the job search and make your next career move.

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On Instagram. Do it. And I like the combine switch. You like that?

Yeah. I thought I'd bring you back. You spent so much time in Indy. I know that's your thing. So I was like, I'm going to bring Rich back. I appreciate that.

And Mike Del Tufo, our audio executive, appreciates it because it's probably free. I love free time. Very good. All right.

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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Why don't you? A lot of folks have been hanging on for a while. We're done with the interviewing. Let's get to the phone lines. 844-204-rich. Number to dial Griffin in Houston, Texas.

Bless you. You've been holding on for two and a half hours. What's up, Griffin?

Nah, when it's this show, it's worth it to hold on for two and a half. We're all doing amazing. And I'm also glad that you're taking your game to new heights, Rich, by going to a new heights podcast next week. So I'm definitely excited. It'll be fun. We recorded at the combine. It's great.

It was a blast. Oh yeah, like Jason Kelsey was already talking about. He said you took over the interview.

Is that true? Well, for what I do for a living, I'm automatically a control freak. I'm used to the Q's, not the A's. And so there were a couple of times where he actually asked me to do it. So I did it. It's fun. It's fun. I worked a little blue. He gave me some free product.

I went on my way, Travis, big time just by hosting SNL and not being there. So it's all good. Well, I'm excited for it. However, my question to you, Rich, is that given the fact that Rodgers has the intention for playing for the Jets, we've seen what Miami has done recently with Jalen Ramsey in giving two of that contract, although dependent on his health, which I wish him the best of luck because he's played awesome this past year when healthy. And then seeing where the bill is at, I'm worried that if Patriots don't continue to succeed this year, that the hot seat for Bill Belichick will get hotter and hotter.

Do you think that could be a possibility? And this is also a question for Patriots legendary fan, Chris Brockman. Chris, you want to handle it? You want to handle it, Christian?

You want to handle it? I think Bill Belichick has been on the hot seat for the last couple of years now. Ah, hot seat.

Hot seat. Oh, man, that's rough. Well, I appreciate y'all answering questions.

Thank you, Griffin. That's what I was worried about, too, is like I've been a fan of his and it's just I think it'd be really difficult for New England to compete in the division this year. Well, certainly Aaron Rodgers shows up in New York.

That'll be, thank you. We're for sure fourth in the division. Well, I mean, if it's a quarterback driven, if it's a quarterback driven league, then Tua being healthy, I think you'd have the fourth best quarterback in the league. But Mack, I don't know how you can evaluate him.

You don't want to give two first round picks for, you know, maybe one of the best players. That's correct. That's correct. You know, maybe maybe I'm in better shape with Mack Jones than you are with Aaron Rodgers.

That's correct. Great, great way to deflect the fact that your team is degrading right before your very eyes. So we improved because we now have actual coaches who can actually coach the position that they're actually coaching. We will see. There's no we will see.

Bill O'Brien is an infinitely better coach than Matt Patricia. No question. No question. No question.

But we will see how it actually plays out. Who's catching it? Who's catching it?

Del Tufo. How are your hands, Mike? They're good.

I mean, I mix with them every day. Well, use those hands to punch up line two. Chris and Athens, Georgia, you're here on the Rich Eisen Show. How are you, Chris? Doing good.

Doing good. Hey, Rich. Hey, guys. What's going on? What's up, bro? What's up, champ? Well, as I get ready for my 47th season watching the spectacle that the Raiders reminded of a line from Raising Arizona, a premonite no return of the salad days.

Ah, good one. I just was wondering, are you guys feeling the salad days or no return of the salad days? I do, man. Well, all I know is that if Rodgers doesn't come to the Jets, the Jets will have a panty on our head, just like using another line from Raising Arizona will be like the unpainted Huffhines of the NFL. How many more Raising Arizona lines can I use?

I'm sure the case will continue to be barren. Yeah. By the way, I think we just had the anniversary of Raising Arizona was just the other day.

Best Coen Brothers movie out there. I know that's a hot take. Right. If Rodgers comes, I feel great about the Jets. If he doesn't, then I mean, what what what? And thanks to the call. And this is why, you know, the game of chicken is Jets saying to Gudekunst, take him back then.

And Gudekunst is like, all right, I'll take him back. What are you going to do? What are the Jets options right now? Because Andy Dalton signed with Carolina to mentor whoever they're choosing first overall. Jameis Winston signed to back up Derek Carr. Baker Mayfield just signed with Tampa.

All right. Who's left? Mike White left to go back up to a. Where's Peterman? Peterman. Yeah, Peterman.

I don't know. Lamar Jackson. It's Ryan Tannehill. Lamar Jackson. If he gets released or work out like a third round pick or something. Lamar Jackson.

The Jets will just. Do you want to give two first rounders for him? You want to hold on to those babies? Of course. Yeah.

But it's a crapshoot. I mean, who is Joe Banner was here. It's 50-50. Whether that player. I'm going to, again, trust the process of Tom Pelissero saying they're not asking for two ones.

And if they are, then that's the end of it. And and I would not blame Joe Douglas. I would I would rather see Zach Wilson back under center week one than give up two ones. No, thank you. No, thank you, John. And Chicago, you're here on the Rich Eisen Show. What's up?

I'm sure we're going to get a very unbiased Rogers opinion from Chicago. What's up, John? Hey, fellas. Thanks for taking my call, Rich. Thank you, Brockman. I got a bone to pick with you. By the way, John. John, we like John.

We like phone calls that start that way. I'll be honest. All right. The bone is that you burned me last year, man, with Kansas City. All right.

With a survivor survivor. Oh, long memories in Chicago. Me, too. I will.

You're not alone, John. Was that was that the Indianapolis? But I'm just going to leave it at that. Three now. It cost us thousands. Yeah. Allegedly. Now, Rich, the the reason for my phone call is that for your sake, I hope I hope if the former QB of the Packers slash owner of the Bears actually want to be the GM of the Jets.

I hope he comes swinging and wins the couple of the first couple of weeks, because if they lose, man, that locker room is going to be like a mind walking field, man, because that guy is going to alienate all the youngsters and start pointing fingers. Why? What not? Why?

Why? Yeah, because because that's always been his thing, man. Whenever one is like the only point fingers at these wide receivers this year, the youngsters, you did it because they want to catch the ball. I mean, honestly, it could have been there in a training to train with them.

Instead, he was just like doing whatever he's doing, golfing or whatever. Dark field. I knew we'd get it.

We finally scratched the surface out of Chicago. There comes the Rogers. Hey, no, no, no, no, no. Look, I keep my kept to him. And there is only one quarterback better than him in my eyes. And I've seen NFL not as long as you.

Only for twenty five years, because that's how long I've been in America. There is only one QB. I'll take over him.

And that guy just recently retired. Yeah. I hear you. That's it. That's it.

All right. No, I when he throws the ball, he is fluent. It's just like like he throws the ball without effort.

He's a beautiful quarterback to watch. And I got it, John. And thanks for the call. Just one question.

Yes. I have a bone with Rogers to pick because about a year or two ago, I think two years ago, he was kicking and screaming and whining. I don't have any playmakers. I don't have nothing. I got nothing. And look at the they just keep picking defense.

Next thing you know, he wants three of the four playmakers that's going to the Jets. Hold on a second, John. Let me let me jump in here now. And I appreciate that.

And by the way, there's a lot of bones in Chicago to pick. Thanks for the call, John. I'm beginning to see more of what Roger said and how he said it on on Pat's show. Obviously, we're on the air at the same time.

Rogers. Is absolutely in the right when he's saying. That he didn't demand players to be acquired by the Jets.

And how it comes off. And now he did seemingly criticize the reporting or the reporters who said it. And I understand his point, though, it's this. He didn't come in and say, I get it. And we took it the same way, saying that, hey, we're going to put you through a test.

You get these guys, you get me. He said on Friday he's coming. And in terms of the players that, as Diana Rossini said, he delivered a list.

I think he said something he didn't put on some ceremonial garb and write it out on parchment. Maybe he's got your quill pen over there. And so I understand his frustration that it comes out with him saying, I'm demanding these players. He was asked, you know, who would you play with? And he kind of digs Lazard. He loves him. Of course he loves Cobb. He mentioned Mercedes Lewis. He's going to love him.

Who wouldn't want Odell Beckham? I think that's what he said. Wasn't that the way that he said it?

Yeah. So I understand his frustration that it comes out. Somebody obviously told Diana Rossini, hey, we have a list of players that he likes. And she wrote, he's given him a list. And it makes it seem like it's been a proclamation. And that's how he gets frustrated and angry. And another reason why I'm concerned about him going to New York, because the New York media does that stuff all the time. And it's in big letters on back pages, multiple. And it's talked about nonstop, turned up 24-7, 365 by longtime listeners, first time callers, smoothing in the middle of the night and, you know, mad dogging during the day.

That's the way it goes. But I'm not going to sit here and say he's alienating the young players. The young players are the ones burning cheese heads in their backyards in YouTube videos wanting him to come.

And Lazard is a pretty damn good player. So this is just the messiness of trying to make a big deal. And I keep saying it over and over again. It just reminds me of buying a house. Anybody who's been fortunate enough to make a real estate transaction or unfortunate enough because it's so frustrating.

Both sides ready to go. You know I want your house. I know you need to sell it. You know I know that. And I know you know that.

And you know I know what you need. But somebody is going to demand that planters stay in the backyard. Otherwise we're going to blow up the deal. You know and you look at your spouse and go should we call their bluff? Like should we flush the dream house down the toilet? Because this person is such a freaking lunatic that they're willing to blow up a deal of a real estate?

That's what this seems like to me. Yesterday, you know, and Rogers, I'm sure you, if he saw it he gets frustrated by it because he didn't make a proclamation. I said Randall Cobb was one of the planters in the backyard. At that point in time he'd already told the Jets I'm coming. And I'm sure the Jets want to rearrange the furniture in the new house to make sure that the guy who is essentially living there.

Because he can build it into a palace with his talents is happy. I get it. And it comes across as like that person's doing this and that person's doing that and it's not actually the way it seems. I understand. But all I know is if the Packers are asking for two firsts to make this happen, the Jets should dig their heels in too and say you take them back. Because those are the planters we're not giving up in the backyard.

The house is not for sale. And run the risk. And then what? And then start Zach Wilson?

Got it. And then the Packers start Aaron Rodgers while Jordan Love sits and everyone's kind of miserable that Aaron's miserable being back there. Or we just get it done. Because we all need it to get done.

Which is why it's going to get done. Everybody just... Aaron says relax. R-E-L-A-X.

R-E-L-A-X. How about it? How about it?

How about you? But it's on you for being stingy. Just give them up. It's not stingy. It's too much.

It's not... It's not too much to get Aaron Rodgers and go to the Super Bowl. Guess what, Rich? When we go to the Super Bowl next year and you see Jets in the end zone, guess what you're not going to be thinking about?

Those two first round picks. You got a point. It's still too much.

I still say no. And I'm sure the Jets are. You're going to fight this to the very end. I am. You're going to fight this to the very end. Whatever is the holdup, Rodgers has placed firmly on the doorstep of the Packers.

He's not sitting there saying to the Jets, why won't you give up the two ones for me? If that's what it is. Again, this could be, again, a whole conversation about not reality.

True. And he's laying it at the doorstep. He said, let me just say this and then we'll take a break and finish up this program. This is what he said when he said, yes, we discussed earlier him saying that he's debatably the best player in the history of the franchise. That was the beginning of a very long soliloquy talking about how they're ready to move on. He's ready to move on. Obviously, he loves the city, loved the fans, loved the region. It's never been about that. He said his life is better because of my time in Green Bay, but we just look at the reality. They want to move on. They don't want me to come back and that's fine. They're ready to move on with Jordan.

That's awesome. And Jordan's going to be a great player. He's an effing great kid. He had a really great year this year and it's getting better. He's got a bright future ahead of him and they've got a good young team. But the fact of the matter is you have an aging face of the franchise for the last 15 years that it's time to do right by.

Now, you could sit there and say they've done right by him by giving him what he wants since drafting Jordan Love. I get it. But now it is time to say goodbye. And for the 15 years, you don't hold it up for that extra thing or for the planter in the backyard. Sell the house.

I must have forgotten all those Super Bowl appearances in the last dozen years. Sell the house. This guy.

I mean, come on. Sell the house. Sell the house comes with two first round draft picks. Sell the house. And keep the planners.

Yeah, I don't know. Let's take a break. We're finishing this show in a moment. All right, Monster.com can help you slam dunk your job hunt and make your next career move in basketball and life. As we know, there's the regular season and then what's coming up, the playoffs. And your playoffs moment is getting your job and winning your job hunt with Monster.com, which has millions of job openings and great coaching and career advice for a strong performance when it counts. Plus, when you upload your resume to Monster.com, you can be recruited by employers before they even post their jobs. Monster.com specializes in the right teams for employers and knows how to match you with those job fits. And when you score the position, Monster.com has a salary calculator that ensures you're paid what you are worth. Get off the bench, go to Monster.com, win the job hunt.

Monster.com. Jets have the sixth best Super Bowl odds. And you don't want to give up two first round picks. What are you insane? Watch. Watch it happen. They'll come to an agreement and it will not be for two first round picks. One. It will not. It won't be for a single first round pick. Rogers has put the pressure on.

It's time to do right by him. This is like you finally get a date with like Margot Robbie and you're like, do you want to split the bill? Yeah, exactly. No, it's not. Terrible analogy. Brutal analogy. A brutal analogy. A brutal analogy.

Do you mind if we go Dutch? So stupid. You're going to pay half, right?

No, it's the real estate analogy I made, not your dumb analogy. You're going to pay half. So stupid. What's this I'm seeing about Scottie Scheffler's Master's Menu, his Champion's Menu is out? The Menu is out for Scottie Scheffler and he won last year's Master's. What do you got? Oh, there it is. Cheeseburger sliders. Appetizers of cheeseburger sliders and firecracker shrimp, tortilla soup, main course Texas ribeye or blackened red fish.

Okay. And then we take it home with the chocolate chip skillet cookie with ice cream. That could be, by the way, without the, hold on a minute, hold it up here. If you take out the word firecracker and put rock tempura in front of shrimp and you take out tortilla and take out the soup and just put tortillas and you take out the fish. Change the whole menu? No, no, no, no, no.

The sliders are fine. The shrimp is fine, but it's rock tempura shrimp. Yeah. And the soup being the tortilla form of soup, just have it like tortillas, like a tortilla bar, take out the fish, just give him steak and then keep the dessert the same. That could be the club dinner menu of my children.

All three of them. Xander, Cooper and Taylor. If they won the Master's, that would be their menu.

It's pretty damn close. That's an amazing menu. Take the sliders, rock shrimp tempura, tortilla bar, steak, you might have to, Taylor might have a problem with the steak, but Cooper and Taylor, Cooper and Xander started eating steak whenever they were around it. The warm chocolate chip skillet cookie. Please, I mean, I can't even, oh my God. Now that's next level.

Well done, Scotty Sheffler. How big is the cookie, we think? I mean, it's probably a personal skillet. No, not personal.

No, you got to get one of those big ones, you slice it up. Oh, you don't want individuals? Yeah, no, not individuals. Here comes a whole bunch. Tiger, you take one, Fuzzy, you take one, you go. Fuzzy still invited? I don't know.

Trying to name other Master's champs. Jack, you want a warm skillet cookie slice? Brockman said he would take- That's like a child's menu, that's incredible. Ben Crenshaw, pass the milk. Brockman says he wouldn't take the cheeseburger sliders because since he's going for the ribeye, he didn't want too much beef.

Right, and I'll eat some shrimp first. Is Bubble Watson a dunker? He dunk it?

Double dunk. Now, my question is this, do the Liv guys have to sit in their own section? That's the pond.

They got the pond. The Liv kitty table? The kitty table. The Liv kitty table. That's a child's menu, fantastic. Well done, the only thing missing are the mozzarella sticks. Perfect. Remember when Tiger won when he was only 21, it was the same deal.

It was like milkshakes, cheeseburgers, french fries. We should make up our own, each one of us. Why not? Let's do it, like right before the Master's. First things first is you gotta do better than double bogey on a whole.

I think if any of us double bogeyed a whole at the Master's, that'd be a huge win. Skillet cookies for everybody. Orange whip. On the house. Orange whips all around.

Thanks to Bucky Brooks, to Jason Kelsey, John Smoltz, and my friend Sam Prince, who's been hanging out all day. And thanks to, in advance, Andrea Siciliano and my wife Susie Schuster. My wife? She does not like that.

I know she doesn't. She'll be here Friday, Siciliano, Thursday. I'm tapping out. My left eye is twitching as I say it. We'll wrap up this show on the Roku channel in a moment. We'll be right back.