REShow: Martin Jarmond - Hour 1

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He's going to join us in about 18 minutes time. UCLA with a big win at the Rose Bowl over Utah last week. Utah taking a USC taking on the other new Big Ten team from Southern California later on this weekend. And a huge college football weekend with Alabama visiting Tennessee three versus six. Penn State visiting my alma mater Michigan for five versus ten.

Michigan versus Penn State. Joel Klatt who's calling that game on Fox Sports is going to join us in hour number three. And then I got a text the other day in the midst of the whole to do over the roughing the passer penalties that have been called absurdly by two officials over the weekend. Got somebody who wants to chime in on the subject matter got a text from one Warren sack saying he wants in. Okay. He wants in on the conversation.

Oh. And so much so he is coming up for air from his Hawaiian vacation to chime in on the subject matter. He's in Hawaii right now? Indeed he is.

Three hours behind us in Big Ten country. I was just going to say is he going to be awake for this? Yes because he says that he's kept his watch on Eastern Standard Time on his wrist. Okay. And I asked him is everything okay if you want to really do it and he wrote hashtag scuba sap coming up. That's the hashtag he used. Wow. In a text he's hashtagging his own scuba sap coming up for air. Okay.

Because he wants in on this subject matter. That's awesome. Oh yes and when we set it all up instead of saying Roger that he said Brady that. Brady that. And I'm like what do you mean ever since they won the Super Bowl in Tampa with Brady it's now no longer Roger that it's Brady that.

I'm like okay. So Sap is bringing his A game. That is awesome. And he's ready for us. That'll be in the middle of hour number two. And we'll also have a fun October tradition here on the Rich Eisen Show for those who are new to us maybe because you're watching us on the Roku channel.

Channel 210 for the first time. Every year right around this time. Usually we do it after four games but since they expanded to a 17 game regular season schedule kind of threw us off a little bit. But now that we've got five games in Chris Brockman is going to give me the names of what six NFL teams? We're going six. We're going three in each conference. Okay and we are going you're going to ask me their chances of making the postseason.

Yes. And we call the we call the segment we talk in playoffs or what based on a caller we got from Long Island years ago. In the depths of the Pat Shermer mediocrity and that might actually even be upgrading what the Giants really were going into the season when they had no shot. They had no shot. In the league in which in the league in which we love it so much is because everybody's got a shot. We knew the Giants had no shot.

Zero. This guy from Long Island called in and asked this question. We talk in playoffs or what? And then never called again. We don't remember his name. He's our white whale. I just want to hear from him again.

He is the personification of the optimistic New York fan that has no business being optimistic. So later on we're gonna we're gonna play another rousing annual tradition edition of we talk in playoffs or what. Where are you bro?

I don't know where he is. But we're all here as I mentioned in Big Ten country and you know I kind of mentioned this touched upon it just a couple of minutes ago and we might as well hit it again here. We talk every now and then in the non-playing seasons in the depths of trying to fill some time on a three-hour sports talk show.

Many people do this. It's not just us. Just talk about what's the best time of the year. What's the best month on the sports calendar? And some people mentioned January because it's the college football national championship and it's the NFL playoffs. And many people mention April, right? April's a good one.

April's a real good one. Because that's when NBA and NHL playoffs begin. That is when the Masters occur. That is when the Final Four occurs.

That is when baseball throws its first pitch. It's a really good month. April's really strong.

You hear that? Then you hear September is one because football's back, right? You get the pennant races and things of that nature. October gets mentioned a lot too. And the reasons are sometimes not obvious when you're talking about April and things of that nature. But this weekend is exactly why October is mentioned on the sports calendar. Because look at the football docket this weekend.

We are so blessed. And I know I'm saying this on the day that week six of the NFL kicks off with the Washington commanders at the Chicago Bears. I understand that.

I get it. Even that game with Carson Wentz and the Washington commanders having started this season at an unacceptable 1-4. Not acceptable. When you've got playmakers on offense and you've got a defense that's waiting to get Chase Young back.

But it's not acceptable. And the coach Ron Rivera when asked why are you 1-4 and the rest of the division is either 4-1 or 5-0 and he basically stares right at the reporter, doesn't blink, doesn't stutter and says quarterback. And then we learn today about what's going on potentially with the Washington commanders and Dan Snyder and in the midst of that mind boggling, mind numbing, mind blowing reports about Dan Snyder and what he might be up to to try and save himself from being tossed out of the league by 24 of his colleagues in membership.

Is that he's the one who apparently pushed for the once deal in Washington. So you got that on top of everything tonight when he goes into Chicago. Where the Bears and Eberflus have a chance to get to 500 by the way.

You always are what you are in the NFL. So even a game where people like carping on an NFL matchup that is less than. Huge. Every game's huge. And this weekend you've got Eagles, Cowboys. 5-0 versus 4-1. Sunday night? Sunday night in front of the whole country. Varsity.

Let's go. And then prior to that, it's entirely possible that the kickoff of Sunday night football comes right on the heels of the end of Bills and Chiefs late window on CBS. You got that on top of it. Okay, that might be the varsity game. And the Cardinals and the Seahawks, by the way, that game might end right as Sunday night football starts because if there's a game for right in the playoff series between the Mariners and the Astros. The first pitch of that game is slated for the exact time when the Seahawks would kick off against the Cardinals and they play right next door to each other in Seattle. That start time would get moved an hour and a half to accommodate the traffic. Yeah, 2.30 local in Seattle.

Wow. And that's a huge game too. And Tom Brady visits Pittsburgh. That's not going to be a close game. You say that all you want. You said that also with all due respect about the Monday night game between the Raiders and Chiefs and look what happened there.

I mean, you didn't say that. The Jets are in Green Bay. Laugh all you want about the gangrene versus Green Bay.

That's pretty damn big. And every single game you see on the docket. They're all kind of sneaky.

All of them. You're 2 and 3. Rich, we're not laughing at the Jets right now. The Patriots and Browns. Belichick back where he once belonged and they're 2 and 3 because this is the time of year you got the Ravens and the Giants, right?

The G-men at home trying to bounce the Ravens after they just beat the Bengals who put Joe Burrow back in the Superdome this weekend. I mean, all of these games, we've now gotten enough football action for the stakes to be raised to a significant point in week 6 where you better start winning. Because if you don't win now, then everything after that is must win.

Or you want to keep on keeping on with your great start. The stakes just get this much more intense right now and the same thing goes with college football. Tennessee.

Who the hell thought? We were talking about last week's game. Texas A&M and Alabama. We circled that one in the summer because of what went on between Jimbo Fisher and obviously Nick Saban.

And now Nick's showing up after that one into Tennessee where Rocky Top thinks they're about to take out Nick. Michigan and Penn State, 5 versus 10. Again, we've got the AD of UCLA coming out here shortly. UCLA and Chip Kelly, top 20.

Here we go. USC versus Utah. This is where things begin to get really intense. And then, oh yeah, I just mentioned playoff baseball. Padres just drew blood on the Dodgers last night. Braves got even after having the Phillies draw blood on them. Looks like Yankees and Guardians get rained out tonight. But Houston, how will Seattle respond to getting gutted? Baseball playoffs, we're down to the final eight.

That's in full swing. The NBA tips off next week. We're all talking about what the hell's going on with the defending world champs.

Because sucker punches get thrown in practice and how they're going to be able to put that back together. We just had Jeannie Buss here. The Lakers are about to tip off against those Warriors. Zion tweaked his ankle last night.

And I'm beginning to talk myself into some lofty goals about your Clippers. Same thing yesterday. Tranquilo.

Tranquilo. You know, the Nets put it all back together. The drama. Celtics have drama.

Everything we just saw through the summer. They're about to tip off. The NHL just dropped Puck. The Avalanche know how to celebrate, huh? Connor McDavid showing that he can put the biscuit in the basket.

Hat trick. I'm going to the Kings game tonight, Jay. See, you're going to a Kings game.

Look at you guys. Oh, you guys going together? Look at you guys dropping Pucks together. We should carpool.

They're best friends. Keep it secret. As they say in hockey, let's do that hockey. This is why October. This is why I always put my marker on October.

This is this this weekend. I love it. You do.

I love it. Until Michigan starts playing football in a game that matters, and then I get really nervous. That is also true. But that's what it's all about. Stakes get raised and football just enough for these stuff, for this stuff. We know what people already are, right?

Or what can be or what holes they need to dig out of. This is this is it. This weekend. I love it.

What say you? 844-204 Rich being the number to dial. Joel Klatt of Fox Sports, who is going to Ann Arbor today to call Saturday's big noon on Fox. Fourth straight week, he's calling a Michigan football game big noon on Fox. Third time, he's going to the big second time.

Pardon me. He's going to the big house. He called Maryland at Michigan and then he called Iowa, Michigan and Iowa, Michigan and Indiana. And he's calling Penn State at Michigan this weekend.

Huge game. I'll ask him about both of the college football contests I just mentioned. Lawrence Sat wants in on the roughing the passer conversation. So when ninety nine says I want in, you open the door gingerly as he's coming up for air from his scuba vacationing in Hawaii. Yes. Yes.

Scuba snap coming up. Hashtag when we come back, let's talk let's talk some Big Ten football with a UCLA athletic director. Oh yeah. He's on the Rich Eisen Show. Martin Jarman.

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And again, introducing our in-studio guests, the athletic director of UCLA Athletics, Martin Jarman here on the Rich Eisen Show. And so let's just jump into it, man. I am. I'm a Michigan guy, which again. So a couple of years ago in the Final Four, it was very disappointing for me while your elation led to my deflation.

It's OK, but it's just testing. My shot almost went in. It almost went in. I was scared. I was scared.

Key word is almost for you, no doubt about it. And so a Big Ten country. Yeah. Now, when you took the gig in in 2020, was there any inkling in your mind that you might be taking over a Big Ten program? No, no, you can't imagine that.

You know, not at all. I just knew what UCLA was and what it represented. But college athletics was changing so much. That's what I did know.

And that was in the heart of the pandemic. It had just started right when I took the job. So I had enough things that were that were on the plate right off the bat that I wasn't even thinking about conference realignment. And so, you know, and you obviously have your roots in in the Big Ten, in college athletics, in the athletic department.

And again, just pointing out, Chris and everyone else testing my professionalism for having Martin here. Michigan State associate athletic director. And then, of course, he had some time with OSU.

I'm sorry, the Ohio State University. So, you know, the conference. Yeah. I spent 15 years in a conference. Yes.

Yeah. Spent 15 years in a conference. Know the conference very well. Very competitive, high level academic athletics. I'm very familiar with it.

So it was it was something that I was familiar with. So when when did you first catch wind that this is a possibility, Martin, that you go to the Big Ten? Well, you know, the thing that you start with, you always want to position your student athletes for success. And I look at UCLA and our student athletes and what's going to give us the best opportunity to win big and compete big at the highest level. That's what our students deserve. That's what they come to UCLA for. Yes.

They want that platform. And so looking at college athletics, it's very chaotic. You've got name, image and likeness. You had the transfer portal starting. You had conference realignment, I believe, in July of twenty one with with Oklahoma and Texas. And so everything was shifting. And you kind of look at, OK, what's going to position us for whatever college athletics is looking like and where it's going. And that was to me, that was the Big Ten. You know, there were too many positives about competing that one from an exposure standpoint is significant. And that's for our student athletes. And now you're entering a name, image and likeness era where brand and exposure and and being able to showcase your skills and talents is big. And, you know, being on the West Coast, you know, this like East Coast, you don't always see games. If it's a late game, East Coast is not watching. And so now you're in an environment where you want to showcase your student athletes and their skills.

And what is that platform that's going to be available to them to show that? So those kind of things just got got us thinking like, you know what, we need to really look at this thing. And and that was the time to do it. And so was it around the summer? Is that when it was or, you know, you're always looking at it.

You started probably in the fall of twenty one just thinking about things. But, you know, things moved quickly later. But it was it was something that was always like in the back of your mind, like, man, that that makes a lot of sense for different reasons.

It was a fit academically and athletically in some of the institutions. So to me, it made sense. But it was a matter of I don't know if it can happen or not. And it was just a long process.

Of course. But it did come together really fast. So my question for you, if you're willing to share, was USC a partner in this? Like, were you did it was your participation in the Big Ten tied to USC's and they to yours in any way? They had their separate path. We both had separate paths.

We were always thinking about UCLA. You know, from from my standpoint, what makes sense for us? And as I learned more and we started learning more and gathering information, it just made sense for us. So that was that was never I was not in communication with them or we weren't.

Because when you do something like this, you're very focused. It's only a small amount of people at all that are that are involved in something like this decision. So, you know, our chancellor was great and administration and we just kind of moved forward and it worked out. They took the vote and it was unanimous. Right. And then it just happened to be like you just, oh, USC's coming to I mean, was that how it was? I mean, it was towards the end. Yes. You got an idea. But it wasn't like something that was together the whole time. I mean, it came together really fast at the end. And that's what obviously you were aware that they were applying for membership. Yes. And we were at the same time.

But but it was something at the end. How concerned are you that your games at the Rose Bowl, by the way, which I covered games the Rose Bowl for Michigan. I love this facility.

I want this facility. I'm upset, to be very honest, that they're we're going to see the national championship game in Los Angeles, in Southern California. And it's not at the Rose Bowl. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, and I understand how beautiful so far is and I love the people at so far. But, you know, I mean, the Rose Bowl in the sand is like it is like it is. But how concerned are you that it's going to be a road game for you in the first couple of years, maybe in the Big Ten? As far as the stadium? Yes. No, just in terms of the fans.

Oh, that's that's what I'm saying. You know, our fans have been great. You know, there are a lot of things early on in the season that you got to come back when you're when you're in the valley in Pasadena. You know, the heat was really hard.

Yes. And but we had some fans there and I appreciate those fans being there. You know, we don't start we're on a quarter system, not a semester. So our students don't come into the third or fourth game at school. So there are a lot of things that go into that. But the reality is once you you win and you have good experience, fans come.

And that's what they did the last game, the last two games. So I'm excited about about the fans and just where we're going and what we're doing. Well, obviously, what's going on right now is fantastic. Oh, it's awesome.

It's awesome. And then, you know, your next game, if I'm not mistaken, it's a homecoming for Chip, right? Going up to Oregon and but but bringing a team that's right on the cusp of top 10 has got to be. It's going to be a great game.

Oregon is really talented. And I think Chip would tell you, you know, it's not about him. It's about our guys and their guys. And, you know, you're going to go for 60 minutes and whoever best is going to win. But it's going to be electric. I've never been there with fans because two years ago we played there and I was the only one.

Yeah, it wasn't any fan. So I've heard it is like one of the best kind of atmospheres in the Pac-12. So we'll we're excited about it. How much blowback are you getting about your decision going about your business in the Pac-12 this year? Oh, you know, I don't worry about that. When it's something like this, you do what's in the best interest of your students.

You know, in my heart of hearts, I know it's the right decision for us. A lot of UCLA people are excited. By and large, a majority of our student athletes are excited. I've talked to over 200 student athletes. They're geeked about this.

They're pumped about it. And that's why I serve. So that's that's who I concern myself with. And so, you know, the outside noise you can you can get caught up in that. But when you know you're doing the right thing, you sleep well.

And I do. And it's just about focusing now on preparation, getting ready. That's two years from now. So what do we need to do to make sure that when we get to the Big Ten, we're ready to compete at the highest level off the rip? When are you going to have? Are you already in conversations about which division you're in? What's going on with this in football? Yeah, no, we haven't had those conversations yet. We're doing internal work right now. We're looking at the Big Ten teams internally. We're having committees with student athletes on it with coaches. Assessing where we stack up.

There's different resources wise. So we'll do that. And then next year we'll start to look at really, OK, what does it look like in all of our sports as far as competition in the Big Ten? And what do we need to where we can go from day one and be successful and compete at the highest level?

Sure. So we haven't had those conversations with the Big Ten yet. We're really just kind of focused on our own work and then looking and assessing what the competition is.

How do you put a schedule together? Right. I mean, what's what are the challenges there? Well, you've got to have those decisions sooner than later. Obviously, like football especially. But even basketball, you know, signing day for football is, I think, December 23rd. And for the Olympic sports is November 9th. So you've got to start to at some point in the next two months here.

You've got to have some clarity, hopefully on scheduling and different parameters so that we can kind of put that stuff together. What about travel? What about your and not because we're obviously I've spent the first 10 minutes in this conversation with you, football centric. You've barely touched upon basketball. And, you know, UCLA has a history in that. The, I guess, the rest of your athletic department and travel budget for, I guess, for the lack of a better phrase, non-revenue sports or revenue, the lesser revenue sports.

I'm trying to come up with the proper words where I don't put my foot in my mouth. But what are the challenges for that for a team based out here in Southern California when everyone else is mostly on the Eastern time zone? Yeah, you know, it will be a little more travel, but there's some mitigation things that we're doing. We're working with the Big Ten. There are going to be some scheduling things that they're going to help us with. Obviously, having Southern Cal go in as well.

We're going to share resources, looking at charters and different things. So it's not going to be probably what you hear as far as significantly more than we do right now. You know, it's going to be close to the same number of trips, if not for some of our sports less. And actually 11, I believe, of our sports aren't going to be impacted from moving to the Big Ten. Certain sports, golf, you have 16 teams at a neutral site.

You know, it's not a traditional travel on the road, play two games, come back. So it's not going to even be all of our sports that are significantly impacted. The ones that do, there are going to be some mitigation things that we're able to do, whether it's charter, whether it's academic support, some different things. So it's not going to be significant.

It's going to be a little more, but it's not going to be probably what some of the stuff that is said out there. Does UCLA have cold weather gear? Does it exist? We don't right now, but we've got time. We've got two more years. I know you've got time. You've got connections.

Nike and Jordan Brand have been great. You know, I'm sure that we can ramp up if we need to. Like winter, like UCLA winter caps. You know, but you know, a lot of teams are going to like coming out to Southern California. You know, it goes both ways now. Oh, I know that.

I know that. That's going to be good. Can I give you an idea?

Yes. I love ideas. People give me a lot of ideas. We call it R.E.S.

Consulting, Rich Eyes and Show Consulting. Okay, put it in there. When you come up with the winter cap, maybe with the ball on top, what do we call those? The Tuke, the Toboggan, the Scully. You call it a beanie or whatever it might be. Okay, you call it an eight cap. Eight cap. That is good. That is good. What do we call it? An eight cap at UCLA.

An eight cap. I'm going to get on the phone after this. I like that. That's a good idea.

Thank you. Do you want any royalty? I mean, it's got to be clean.

Can we get that for free? This one's on the house. We can talk about future relationships for R.E.S. Consulting.

First one's on the house. We need to work on the business plan. See, I'm talking to a business guy.

I need a business plan. Yeah, I know. But the first one's on there. By the way, you've got to come to Pauley. You've got to get to a basketball game, too. Oh, I would love that. We're serving beer and wine.

We just announced it yesterday. Why don't you point that out to me? You look like the kind of guy that enjoys a nice glass of wine while you watch sports. By the way, did you notice Martin Jarman just went higher register on me about our idea? By the way, the higher register on the Rich Eisen Show is you say something you don't believe in the higher register, or you're surprised, like, hey, that's not a bad idea. Like you were surprised. That's not a bad idea. That was a good idea. Like you were surprised that my idea was actually functional. I was surprised at the quality of the suggestion.

I was. It was really good. I was surprised at the quality. Thank you. That was impressive. That was impressive, Martin.

Thank you. You heard the surprise in my voice. Well, just again, we'll call it a nice welcome to the Big Ten freebie. An eight cap.

An eight cap. And then we'll send you one. We'll send everybody. We'll send you guys. Hold on a second. We're a team.

We're a team. Would you mind taking a suggestion from a fan as well? Yeah.

Okay. Sean Mitchell of the Rich Eisen Show staff, our digital coordinating producer of our digital program. Diehard UCLA. Diehard UCLA fan. Request for Jarman. Tell him UCLA fans want the return of the Navy blue script on the helmet.

The Navy blue script on the helmet. Yeah. There you go. Take that.

Oh, you don't like that as much as the eight cap. No, I'm thinking. No, I'm thinking. They want the return of the Navy blue script on your zip up right here.

Right. That's what he wants on the helmet, I think. My first thought was, what would Chip think about that? That's what I was going through my head like. I wonder what Chip would think about that. That's the athletic director in you. Yes.

That's the first thought was like, you know, I don't I don't know if Chip wants to change something that's been for a while. But hey, we always take suggestions. OK. Run that up the flagpole.

Run it up the flagpole. And so. OK.

So if we see if we see the script UCLA on the helmet, we'll know, you know, that we definitely have to have a Rich Eisen show consulting relationship with the athletic department. We'd have to go into business then. We would have to.

We would have to. I understand that. Very good. I understand.

Before I before I let you go, let's talk a little bit about the future with you, if you if you don't mind. The athletic director of UCLA, Martin Jarman here on the Rich Eisen show. So when when UCLA and USC joined the Big Ten, my first thought was this is this is the beginning of the end of the way that college athletics has been arranged.

That's simple. You now have a conference where Rutgers is right near the Jersey Shore and UCLA and USC is right near, you know, the Pacific Ocean. Like we've never seen anything like this before and that it's only going to stand to reason another conference might try that. Do you think we're heading towards just a power five world and everyone else has just got to maybe play in relegation and things of that nature? Are we looking at a sort of professionalizing of the way that college athletics is put together, certainly on the football front?

What do you think? I don't think that I think we're under extreme change right now in college athletics. I think everything is chaotic. And so when there's chaos, it's almost like the markets right now.

You feel like anything can happen or the worst can happen. So I think if we take a breath, I really do think things are going to calm now in college athletics. But I do think the rate of change is not going to. And so right now with NIL, for example, you talk about is there congressional help to try to normalize some of the rules to try to make it consistent? I don't know if that's going to happen. I don't I would say don't bet on that is what I would say. That's the NCAA phrase.

Don't bet on the NFL phrase, too. But the reason why I'm saying that that this is the way that college athletics is heading towards being arranged is. If you're waiting for Congress to step in, we might get old and gray. So this way you you can create your own much smaller world where you, your program and other like minded programs with similar goals and similar revenues and similar budgets can all get together and figure out NIL on your own. That's what I'm saying. It's easier to do that with a smaller subset.

You're not going to solve your problems waiting for someone else to solve them. Or having 300 schools say, I want this, I want that. Right. I do think you're going to see some change where some autonomy will come in to some of the autonomous five conferences. I think as we consolidate a little more, the the the power and the rules and everything governing, it needs to equate for the differences in schools. You know, we're different. We look different than you know, I don't want to pick on a school. But there's some reality from Southern California that's in a conference currently like the Pac-12.

There's some realities that are different among the schools. And that has to be addressed. And my hope is that we as a as an NCAA, as as institutional leadership, we figure it out.

We can't worry about others to try to figure out our own challenges. So that said, yes, it's going to change. But I don't think it's going to be like this. You're going to like Premier League or something. I don't think that's going to happen. OK. Like I just think it's going to change differently.

We don't know what it is. But but I hope that the leadership in college athletics right now can take more of a step forward and say, hey, this is what makes our game and makes the student athletes best. And we try to do it that way.

Hey, look, I know you've got enough on your plate. It's a lot of trying to assimilate into a new or trans transition from your current world to the next one. But where is this autonomous, you know, power going to come from if it's not the NCAA? Is it the college football playoff system, which is separate from the NCAA? I think that's going to be part of it. But also we have a transformation committee that's doing work right now that's going to recommend changes.

You know, I think it's going to be Transformation Committee, CFP. Those things are changing. And then I don't know. You know, the reality is you just got to position your program for what's best. And that's what we're trying to do at UCLA. That's why we're doing what we're doing.

And it's going to be an interesting ride. But the basketball world doesn't get touched, right? I mean, because you get the tournament is as good as it's ever been. I don't see why we would. You know, I love the tournament. I think there's a lot of excitement, though, about the tournament. I don't I don't I don't hear a lot of those external pressures as far as that needs to change.

Yes. You know, so I don't see that changing. That's just my opinion.

I'm one guy. But NCAA tournament basketball is one of the best things. I mean, I played in it. I know what that experience is for student athletes. It's remarkable. And so I hope that that doesn't change.

That's my hope. What was what was UNC Wilmington where you're 12 seed, 15, C, 15, C, C count to see that. Who would you take on to see to see that Cincinnati that you and Martin broke his leg. Oh, man.

And if I'm not mistaken, they might have had an assistant coach named Mick Cronin on the staff. Yeah. Come on. This is the smallest of worlds. Yeah. Yeah. Small. So you are playing how many minutes?

Seven, eight. You brought the energy. You brought the energy off the bench. OK, so you're coming off the bench or you're playing in for for 15 seeded UNC Wilmington.

Yeah. In an NCAA tournament game against the second seeded Cincinnati Bearcats assistant coach is now the head coach of UCLA. You're the athletic director. I mean, you can't make it up this up.

And will you tell me one thing for me, please talk about not succumbing to outside pressures. I love the fact that he suits and boots, man. I love he's clean.

He's clean. I just love it. Everybody else dresses like they're going to the gym. You know, they they they you know, I understand what the pandemic was doing and everybody just like comes back into dressing down.

But, you know, we're I think the the the ability to suit and boots still exists. He's one of the few doing it and I love it. Yeah. He looks great in it, too.

It's like every every couple of games he wears a suit. I'm like, man, that's what's really nice. Like, really? Yes.

Nobody does it anymore. I mean, now, Jay Wright, even even before he retired, he he he gave up on it. Yeah. He used to dress like Johnny Dangerously. And now he dressed, you know, and then started dressing like he's going to the gym.

All right. There it is. Look, come on. That's a basketball coach right there. I love it.

I love, you know, bouncing from the. Tell him that, please. Thanks for coming in. Hopefully, you know, whenever your schedule allows, just come down the four. Yeah. Thanks for having me. You know, I mean, it was this easy to get here, man.

I might have to be here a little more. Now, you know, that's the thing. You're from you're from North Carolina. You spent a lot of time in the Midwest. Just took you two years for wondering, like the four or five is too much. It's just I understand. That's the L.A. thing. You're already you're already you're already here in L.A.

I get it for two years. It's Big Ten country, don't you know? Martin Jarman, thanks for coming in here. You got it. That's the athletic director of UCLA Athletics right here on the Rich Eisen Show.

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Yeah, that was great. He says there. Well, I don't know, man.

I'm just thinking one day. Look at me saying I don't I don't know. The athletic director who is involved in the big 10 transition in the middle of everything with the 11th ranked football team in the country and UCLA basketball in his back pocket and everything else. But doesn't know.

I don't know. But don't you think this is heading towards 64, 70, 80, whatever member schools and we'll figure out who's in, who's not. Some some some most are in. Then there's going to be another league where you can be relegated into and elevated to. He says it doesn't think it'll be Premier League. I just I don't know why that wouldn't be the perfect setup for college football.

Premier League in college football. Absolutely. Absolutely. Is the way to go.

Is the way to go. Because it's not just the revenue aspect of it and it's not just the scheduling aspect of it. The NIL world. That's all you hear from folks who are that we interview athletic directors, coaches, commissioners. Right. They're all like wanting some uniformity, some uniformity.

And if they're waiting for college football to do it themselves from the NCAA home office or Congress to do it. Never going to old and gray. You'll go old and gray before that happens. Well, we'll we'll dye our hair and getting together, getting together and creating a small subset.

Where you can then. Say we're all like minded, like revenue universities, we all have similar goals. We're all very similar in our DNA from the conferences we used to be part of.

Let's create our own NIL rules in here and everyone else can do whatever they want to do. That's it. I can't I the question is, is what is the impetus to make it happen? You mentioned a transitionary committee. I mean, what is the impetus to make it happen? To sit down and say, finally, we're going to figure this thing out. As opposed to piecemealing it together and doing a 14 playoff, and now I guess they'll expand to a 12 team system that's coming. That might be part of the impetus after going through that process and seeing that the sky hasn't fallen, the world hasn't crumbled, and you can then figure out the next step as to who's involved in those 12 team playoff system world. And I really feel that the domino that would tumble to make this thing happen is Notre Dame deciding or Clemson being free of whatever ACC contract holds that conference together still in the ever changing world.

That might be what changes it. Joel Klatt's going to join us to talk about the college football weekend to come with Alabama visiting Tennessee and Penn State visiting Michigan. That's he's an hour number three.

Warren Sapp's going to join us shortly. He wants in on the roughing the passer world that we live in right now. We all know Grady Jarrett's sack of Brady wasn't rough in the passer. And we all know that Chris Jones's sack ripped fumble and fumble recovery, one of the most athletic moves I've seen from a 300 some odd pound man. That wasn't roughing. He wasn't roughing Derek Carr. He was sacking him to the ground, made an incredible play, and actually used the offhand, his non ball carrying hand, which you never say about somebody who's in the process of sacking a quarterback ever. He actually used that hand to make sure he didn't put his full body weight on.

That wasn't roughing either. I think we have an idea which way Sapp's going to lean in this. You know, I think Sapp's Sapp's going to want this damn thing reviewed.

And I think he wants he's he's with me as well. These should be reviewed. And just to bring everyone up to speed, I don't mean that a coach gets to throw a challenge flag on it. I'm saying that the NFL already has an eye in the sky from the headquarters of the NFL, where people are looking at games and helping officials spot footballs and save coaches challenges by reversing immediately called fumbles or reversing immediately called incomplete passes to the other thing and spotting footballs.

And we should fold roughing the passer into that. And I'm just genuinely concerned that the folks who make these decisions in the competition committee and the operations office and then maybe ownership, it doesn't doesn't understand the enormity of this. And what causes me to feel that lately is just knowing that nothing's going to get changed in the middle of the season in terms of reviewing that. And I understand that that's precedence. They don't want to have a season where five five weeks was reviewed a certain way and the rest isn't is now reviewed a different way. I get that. But the the the issue of just not understanding the enormity of it comes from a tweet like Adam Schefter's from today.

Put it up on the screen. Adam, our buddy Shefty, tweeting out a league source, said today, quote, there is no backing down on enforcing rules that are in place to protect the health and safety of players, including quarterbacks who by rule are considered defensive players when they are in a passing posture, end quote. And I read this and I'm like, hey, I don't know who this person is. I might be very friendly with them. And if I am, I sincerely say with all due respect in advance, we're not talking about that. We're not talking about we want less roughing the passer penalties called. We're talking about we want less roughing the passer penalties that aren't roughing the passer called.

That's what we're looking for. OK, good point. This is what we're asking about, not saying, oh, you're protecting the quarterback too much.

No, no, no. And we all understand Jerome Boger and Carl Sheffers, the referees involved are well intentioned and are sent onto the field as the first line of protection, is the thin blue line to make sure quarterbacks are not roughed. That's understood. We want to help them not blow the call in front of the whole country, leading us to talk about Carl Sheffers is mind bogglingly unintelligible responses to why he called it roughing the passer instead of the actual remarkable athletic play of a remarkably talented player like Chris Jones. That's all we're asking about. We're not asking for you to call fewer roughing the passer calls. We're asking you to call fewer stupid roughing the passer calls. That's it. And that just gives me concern like you don't get it, you don't get what we're saying and what damage is being called amongst, caused amongst the fan base who loves this sport and wants it better officiated.

That's it. That's what we're asking for. No one's saying call fewer. Fewer have actually been called this year. We just want fewer stupid of them. Call.

Hour two coming up. I should come up with a better word than stupid, I guess. Well, I mean, it is absurd. Nonsensical, ridiculous. Game-altering, maddening, infuriating, but we want fewer of those.

Yeah, I mean all of the above. So when I hear it, it's just like, I don't think anybody's calling out the NFL's lack of desire to protect quarterbacks. That might be a response to the whole Toa situation. No one wants to go back to the 80s when jacked up and, you know, just like flying through the air, concussion city. Our eyes aren't letting us down. We see the play. We know that's not roughing.

Why is it? Right, because the officials thought it was roughing in real time and are attuned to protect the quarterbacks and err on that side of the equation rather than the getting it right side of the equation. And they think in the real time they are getting it right to the point where they look at a pool reporter and look at them and say, yes, I'm the only person in America right now who feels this way.

And they can't believe everyone disagreed with that. What do you mean I got it wrong? Are you serious? Yeah, we're serious.

You blew it. And it's infuriating. And it causes fans to think you're on a take even. I mean, that's another aspect of this to try and make sure we get this right. And the way I'm saying is it's refs helping refs.

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