REShow: Joe Haden - Hour 1

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I think everybody can be a lot better, myself included, and we'll just have to look at that. Today's guests, three-time Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Hayden, Cowboys quarterback Cooper Rush, Giants quarterback Daniel Jones, plus Eagles cornerback Darius Slay. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

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We got four guests today, right in the middle of hour number two. We've got the quarterbacks of the way that week number three will wrap up. We've got both Cooper Rush and Daniel Jones back to back.

That's how we roll. That's what happens when you consume a program that's hosted by the pregame and halftime host of Monday Night Football on Westwood One. Cooper Rush, Daniel Jones. That's going to be a huge one to wrap up week number three. Darrius Slay helped wrap up week number two with one of the best games a corner has put on film in quite some time. Big Plate Slay will join us in hour number three from the 2-0 Philadelphia Eagles who took care of business against the Minnesota Vikings to wrap up week number two. And next up for them is they're at the Washington commanders, a little Carson Wentz hosting his former team. And we have lots to talk about with Darrius Slay there.

And then look who's joining us in about 17 minutes time. He's here in the flesh in person, the guy who is retired from the NFL. His announcement came out this week on the old Twitter machine. Joe Hayden, a three time Pro Bowl cornerback, met him when he was just a pup coming out of the Florida Gators and being drafted by the Cleveland Browns. And then he spent some time, as we all know, at the Pittsburgh Steelers. So who better to talk about last night's Steelers-Browns game than Joe Hayden.

He'll be joining us shortly. Later on in this hour, we're collecting all of our thoughts and much information as we can get, with the Celtics not giving out very much details, very many details on why their coach, the Eastern champion coach from last year's NBA season, Emi Yudoka, has been suspended for the entire year. And all the way through to June 30th. So it'll be through the draft.

It's just like, I mean, if you go the whole route, it's the entire season from now until the draft. And they didn't give many, many, many details as to why. But we'll talk about that later on in this hour. Chris Brockman, good to see you over there. You've got some what's more likely, as always, on a Friday.

What's more likely? Sneaky good games. Let's do this. You will give some advice to those looking to make harder American dollars based off of football games this weekend. As long as there's no crazy lateral fumble touchdowns with no time left. And so you'll also have some what's more likely scenarios for me to chew on as to what will potentially happen this weekend or not.

Absolutely. That's what we always do on a Friday. Good to see you. D.J.

Mikey D. is in DsNuts here on a Friday. A full five-day residency here on the Rich Eisen Show. Fantastic.

Put your best Roco foot forward. Well done. Very pleased about that. T.J. Jefferson lighting the candle on a show in which he will give fantasy advice hopefully better than last week's.

Good to see you over there. Well, really, I told you not to play Tom Brady and that worked out pretty well. That's true. That was pretty smart. That's true.

Look for the negative, Rich. That's the way to start the show off. We'll just place the Rashad Bateman stuff aside. It's OK. But I love you, T.J. Jefferson. OK, so we're going to ninpicks. Nothing but love for you.

No, it's all good. Later on, your fantasy advice for everybody who takes in this program. Is that it? There you go. Cooper Rush will again be on this program. I chatted with him yesterday. Wait till you hear what he has to say. Is it two varsity quarterbacks on Monday?

Let's go. Look at that. He just called Daniel Jones a varsity quarterback.

Non-perfect. OK, so we've got a kickoff game from last night to talk about on Amazon Prime. The Browns and the Steelers. And how about these Cleveland Browns, everybody? We knew they would play at least 11 games without Deshaun Watson.

We'll see if Deshaun Watson returns on time based on whatever evaluation is occurring with him. But of those 11 games, what do we say? Just win five and you're in good shape? Win six? Well, it's five, you're in decent shape. Six, you're in good shape.

Seven, you're just, you know, you're just sitting pretty, correct? And through the first three, they've got two. And if it were not for the New York Jets, stick-to-itiveness. If it were not for the New York Jets, Joe Flacco. And a bounce of the ball on an onside kick and a defense that just went to sleep after Nick Chubb scored his third touchdown of the game. Browns would be 3-0.

And if it were not for a missed extra point with no time left, and in a missed field goal in overtime by a kicker who has such ice in his veins, that if there was a pull in the middle of the two uprights of a field goal upright in the NFL, that kid McPherson would hit it almost every single time. And because there was an injury to the Bengals' long snapper in week number one, and the team that gave up five turnovers to the Steelers, the Bengals could not get that extra point. If not for that, the Steelers would be 0-3. But you've got a 2-1 Browns team and now a 1-2 Steelers team. And the reason why the Browns are 2-1 and the reason why the Pittsburgh Steelers fell to 1-2 last night is because Nick Chubb may just be the best running back in the National Football League.

Certainly one that you're not talking about. He's the best you're not talking about enough. 113 yards on the ground for the Georgia Bulldog. Nick Chubb, 23 rushes and a score. And he now leads the league, obviously he's the first one along with the Steelers' Najee Harris to be a regular running back, to start and run him back to play the third game. But he now leads the league in rushing with 341 rushing yards through three weeks. He is the first Cleveland Brown running back with over 330 rushing yards in the first three games of a Cleveland Brown. Season since, yes sir, Jim Brown in 1963.

Heard of him. That is how he is running the football. Since he was drafted into the league out of Georgia between the hedges in 2018.

When many of us were talking about Sony Michel instead, let's not forget. Yep. He has now 24 100-yard rushing games. That is the most in the NFL. One more then, yes.

Derek Henry, the diminisher. That's it. And then the fact that Jacoby Brissett is playing mostly mistake-free football, completing almost two-thirds of his passes, 61-92, 596 yards, four touchdowns and an interception.

That's what you need. Don't turn it over. Let Chubb do the work. When Chubb's not doing the work, let Kareem Hunt do the work.

Play defense. Don't let Corey Davis run at 66 yards into the end zone with everyone jogging after him. Don't let Garrett Wilson down the field like Joe Flacco knifed through hot butter Joe Flacco. You're going to win football games in Cleveland without Deshaun Watson. And then when Watson returns, well, I would proffer everybody to say look out. This division could be the Browns' division to win now. Obviously we're marathoning.

We're not sprinting. But they have won two of their first three without Deshaun Watson. And if they did not go nappy nap time against the Jets with 90 seconds to go, they'd be perfect.

Next up for them is a visit to Atlanta after the mini-buy. Before they send Miles Garrett towards the rib cartilage of the Chargers. Terrific quarterback.

Yep, New England. That'll be a fun one for Brissett. At Baltimore, home for Cincinnati, then a buy. And then right around the corner you've got Watson coming back.

So that's the way things are going for the Cleveland Browns right now. Amari Cooper. He looks good. I know where he would look better. Back-to-back 100-yard receiving game since weeks five through six in 2016. He's working. Really glad that his former employees decided that he, employers I'm sorry, decided that he wasn't really worth paying. That's the one I said where he would look better right now.

Well I figured, so I just wanted to give you what you, yeah. What I was looking for. Double game rich, I was just like, oh boy. And that performance last night by the Browns, and certainly that rushing attack. The Pittsburgh Steelers fan base, if they have to choose one thing that they hate the most, right? It would be losing to the Browns. Oh yeah. Okay?

Absolutely. And then being run through by the Browns. That's the one. Run over by them. I can't imagine what Steelers Twitter was last night.

That's the one. Run over and run through by them. And certainly in a game that they led at halftime, 14-13, because for the first time in, what about nine quarters you would say? They started to try and let's see if George Pickens can make a play. And the catch that Pickens made was Odell Beckham like, and you could see that on Twitter. Oh my God, it was like Odell again. And then you take a look at it and like, uh-huh, yeah. It might have been better.

That's a conversation piece, which you never thought you'd have to say. But what a grab. Look at that. The 36 yarder was more yards than he had in his first two games combined. And, you know, that's the point here is like, can we throw it deep?

Can we throw it down the field? And Trubisky did throw a lot outside the numbers last night. It was just the efficiency problem that you have when you're Pittsburgh on offense and you go one for nine on third downs. That's the one.

Oh my gosh. And then you keep putting your defense without T.J. Watt right back on the field. One for nine on third. You just, you know, if you just get 33 percent of them, just get me two more first downs on third down. Maybe you don't put Chubb back on the field and he doesn't run over your guys. But that was the issue last night. That was the issue was when they needed to find that one more first down and keep from getting off the field.

Just couldn't do it. Trubisky couldn't get it done. And so this is what happens when you're one and two and folks look around and say, OK, we're 0-6 now all time without T.J. Watt and he's going to be gone for a while. And all right, had we not gotten that break in week one by having the Bengals kicking game, completely thrown off by a long snapper injury, we'd be 0-3.

And when you are looking for a spark. In the NFL and you're a team that just drafted a rookie quarterback whose fan base is quite familiar with, because he played his college ball right on the doorstep, right in the same building. As the Steelers, you know where it's going to go. Mike Tomlin, this isn't his first rodeo, so he knew the question would come after the game. Certainly it's a short week game, meaning they now have a little extra time on the back end to get, say, their rookie quarterback. Can he pick it up to speed in time for their week four home date at Acresher against the Jets? Well, here is what Mike Tomlin had to say on that subject last night. Mike, heading into the mini-buy that you guys have, do you consider making any changes whether quarterbacks play politics or not? I'm not in that mindset. I'm interested in reviewing this tape and looking at the totality of it and figuring out how we collectively get better.

So, to answer that question, definitively no. Shutting it down. Deontay Johnson had one go through his hands, didn't he, last night? I mean, it was a nicely thrown ball by Trubisky and, like I said, just give me a couple more first downs on third down and you might win last night's game, you know? You might not throw your defense back out there in the third quarter and watch a six minute long drive. That just resulted in a field goal, by the way.

16-14, that's a winnable football game last night. And so, I'm not surprised Tomlin is going to stick to his guns because, guess what? This isn't like a last coach to get got in the NFL because the rookie quarterback they just drafted wasn't believed in by the coach in a way and he got got.

His name is Anthony Lynn here in Los Angeles, remember that? When Justin Herbert came in and won a football game and all of a sudden it's still Terod Taylor's job and he was just trying to be, you know, I guess, old school coach saying you don't lose your job around here due to a wayward doctor's needle, right? But Tomlin's not going to get got, period, end of story. He knows his team better than most, you got to believe in him and trust him, but the Steelers fans are going to start howling and I don't know if he cares. Problem for them is their offense doesn't look very efficient, certainly not on third down.

Najee Harris hasn't gone off yet, I don't know if he's 100% himself and T.J. Watt, without whom the Steelers have yet to win a game since he's been drafted out of Wisconsin, he's not walking through that door for quite some time. So, Tomlin is going to stick with Trubisky and tamp it all down, he's not going to go for this whole picket stuff and then you look at the Steelers schedule down the road, there's a bye week right there at week nine. I think he wants to go through with Trubisky right up to that and give him eight games. Give him eight games, three's not enough.

We're marathoning, we're not sprinting. His job's not in any danger, Tomlin, he doesn't care, he just thinks he knows best and I don't blame him. Guy's got a proven track record and I know that's potentially dismaying to some Steeler fans who still don't understand why they don't like their coach. But that's where I think, that's my interpretation of his, you know, emphatically no thoughts right now. Rich Najee did have a great touchdown run yesterday with the stiff arm and then just kind of blasting his way.

Right, when I've said that he hasn't had one of those games like Chubb one, where he goes for three digits and he's going to just grind you down. We haven't seen that yet. And then, you know, hey, maybe we start flipping it up to George Pickens a little bit more and see what happens. I think so.

Good things. Dude can make plays, man. Because guess what, that wasn't a 50-50 ball, that was like a 99-1 ball. Yeah, no one was catching that.

Or I should say one 99 ball. And he made it look like 50-50, so maybe that's what we do. But he also, you know, jumped offsides on the onside kick, rookie stuff. And again, we're not there in practice, we're not there in the locker room.

Like you said, Rich, give him games. If by game eight he's still jumping offsides doing stuff, that's one thing. But he's rookie, he's still learning. It takes time. Well, it's the same thing with Trubisky as well.

That's what my interpretation is. But maybe Joe Hayden has a better understanding of it because he's played for the man and he played for both teams. The retired Joe Hayden, when we come back right here in studio, in person on the Rich Eisen Show, one of the most delightful individuals the NFL has seen in quite some time.

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Have you not found it yet? The Jets were drafted at the bottom. They took Kai Wilson.

I knew it was a corner. They weren't coming to get you. They were 29th that year. They had no shot at you.

They weren't coming. Who was the 10th pick? 10th pick was, let's see, Tyson Nalalu went to Jacksonville.

Oh, boy. He plays with the Steelers right now. Let's see, who else? Earl Thomas went 14th that year.

That was a surprise. That was Pete Carroll's first draft. Remember that? And everybody thought that they would go with, what was the name of the safety out of? Taylor Mays? They thought they were going to go, yeah, because, of course, Pete would go with the Trojan.

Yes. And instead, no, he went with Earl Thomas, you know, a Texas Longhorn. Everybody's like, OK, Pete's going to, Pete's, this is the way he's going to do it in the NFL.

This was the year, actually, I think the Commish Bro Hug started. Trent Williams went fourth overall. OK, very good. Yeah.

OK. And Barry, number one. So why did you decide to retire, Joe? Man, I didn't plan on it, honestly. I was training. I was working out this whole offseason, like ready to sign, wanted to sign with a contender.

I wanted to either play in L.A. because I live in Encino, you know, or go to Buffalo because I really feel like they have a really, really solid chance to win. So the longer I was working out, I was here. My son just started kindergarten and I was working out and I would go golfing. I was hanging out with my family and I was kind of just like kind of got comfortable. You know, I'm saying like it was it was a I wanted to play, you know, but at the same time they were kind of like offering me league minimum deals in like I was like, do I really want to move up, move my family when at the end of the day I had a great career and I kind of got that.

I was I was at peace with it. You know what I'm saying? Like it's been real. Do I really want to leave when I got going on right now? And the more and more I thought about it, the more and more I was like, it's been it's been a it's been a great run. You know what I'm saying?

Just happy being home, like just love being a dad, spending time with my kids that I wasn't able to like really do, taking them to school every day. Like it was just it was kind of just like, what am I really doing it for? You know what I'm saying? Of course. So you're trading in the huddle for circle time?

Is that what you're doing right now? Huddle for circle time, man. I wanted literally I saw that best dad ever. I need that. I need that. I need that.

You best not miss is all I'm saying. You're coming at this. It's five dollars at home goods, Joe.

I'll get one. Joe Hayden, circle time. I love it. OK. Because again, it's just what I mean, I think folks don't understand what it takes to get ready. And then once you make a mental choice to say that's it, how difficult it is to just ramp it back up. Right. A full blown like I've been doing this. I played the league for 12 years. I've been did my college thing for three.

Right. And having that schedule of being like look every day, like in the back of my mind, I'm thinking about football. I'm worried about like training. I'm thinking about what I'm eating. You know, I'm saying like it's it's a it's a grind.

It's a real grind to be a professional and be at the top of your game at all times. So when I was like, finally, I was relaxing and I was with my wife and I would just wake up and we'd be like, oh, what do you what are you about to do? Like, we go get lunch, go get brunch, just go hang out. And it was like, man, like this, this is kind of smooth.

I have 24 hours. I can do kind of what I want to do. And I've never really felt that freedom. You have off season, but at the same time training every day, still working out, making sure, you know, I'm saying things are getting done to be at the highest level, but.

Feels kind of good to be able to kind of like, you know, saying like, chill, like, what did I really work this hard for? You know, I'm saying, of course, no, I totally understand that. And then so I mean, I guess not to just keep pushing, but I'll ask, you know, Eric Weddle was just sitting around. Yeah.

And the Rams called him up and he knew the system and they're like, you know, you got four to six in. I mean, would you be up for something like that? I mean, I think I'm kind of cheating the game a little bit now for me, the way I work every day, just focused and dialed in. I think it's more of a like, I don't want to put out a bad. I don't want to go out there and not be Joe Hayden.

I'm saying I want to put my best foot forward every time I play because I don't want to cheat the game. I feel like now I'm kind of more to just like a Zen, like I watch the games like I watched the game yesterday. And I was like this.

I don't think I want to be out there. You watch the Thursday night game between two teams that you played for a rivalry that, you know, from both ends of the equation. And you were watching it last night and you're like, where were you watching it? I was watching. I was at Davenport in Encino at a little steakhouse. That's a nice spot.

Nice, nice spot. A little date night watching the game. Date night watching the game. Literally couple cocktails. It was crazy. I think Joe and I just became best friends.

Couple cocktails after a couple. You're like, you know, that elf's not too bad. Looks nice on the 50.

It doesn't look too big. But so and you weren't missing it. You don't have like, man, I want I would say week one. The first week I kind of was like I was in a weird place when I was watching the Steelers play the Bengals. And then after that, I think that that one was kind of like the first one really hit me. Like, you're really a fan watching the games.

But yesterday it was I was all in. I was good to go. You know, like I kind of I'm when I say I'm at peace, like I really feel feel good. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's next? So what is next? What is next? I'm trying to do a little little little commentating, a little paparazzi, a little paparazzi, a little hanging out with you. OK.

Trying to figure it out. You know, I think I'll be your I'll watch you just show me the ropes. OK. You know, I think you've got the chops for a joke.

Big time. Thank you. OK. So we could talk a little bit about that.

We could offline that if you'd like. And so also, you know, you have a one day contract in your back pocket. One day contract in my back pocket.

What's that? We'll be out in Cleveland, hopefully around like they play Monday night, the Halloween game. So I should be signing with the Browns for a day, retiring a brown coming up at the end of October.

All right. So the Halloween game and get this right here. Yes, please. Pull up.

So I got the Cleveland Brown. You want to pop that pop the schedule up there, Mr. Hoskins. So there it is. Bangles. Oh, bangles. Oh, OK. OK. OK. A little Monday nighter against the bangles. Yeah, it should be sweet.

OK. On top of the elf and everything right there against the bangles. That'll be a big one. OK. Oh, so you're going to go for Halloween. You're going to go as a civilian. I'm going to go.

You're going to go with the civilian clothes. That's going to be fantastic. We'll be a good, good weekend out in Cleveland. And then before that, though, you're going back to Gainesville to Gainesville. Get into the Gator Hall of Fame September. I mean, October 8th, October 8th. I think it's their homecoming game against Missouri. OK, well, homecoming. You're not going there to get beat.

No, we're going there to whoops. Who is on your team on that BCS national team? It was Tim Tebow. It was Percy Harman. It was Cam Newton. It was both the Powski twins.

Brandon Spikes, Janoris Jenkins, Riley Cooper, Lewis Murphy. When's the 30 for 30 on that team? Oh, it's coming out. Is it coming out? Yeah.

They've been working on it this all this summer. So I think the urban urban is the current Meyer. And we had Coach Coach Mullen was our offensive coordinator and Coach Charlie Strong was our defense coordinator. And Aaron Hernandez was on the team. Oh, my goodness. We had a squad. You did. We had a wild team.

What was it? What was it like being around Tebow time? Well, I like Terry Tebow. He he literally we have he would have people cry when they would see him on campus. It was it was it was something I promise you I would not make it up if it didn't happen. Like I saw it with my own eyes.

I'm like, oh, this is crazy. You know, and like the thing about Tebow was he did not drink. He did not smoke. He did not curse everything that he practiced, what he preached. So I've always been a big, big Tim Tebow fan because I'm like, I would have lost my mind in Florida, having like the way people would come and just cry. I'm like, what is going on here, Tebow? And me and Cooper Cooper was his roommate and I would hang out with Riley all the time. So we'll go over there, hang out and like Tebow was just. Unbelievable.

The way you had so much. So you're walking on campus in Gainesville. And Tim Tebow's there.

You're there. And somebody sees him and starts crying, starts crying. Literally a nice looking lady.

Nice looking lady. And he hands her a tissue and walks on. He's like give a little hug and then steps off. He was like all four Beatles wrapped into one. I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen anything like it in the pros to Joe Hayden.

I've never I was a third. I was at a Thursday night game in Denver. It was Jets versus the Broncos and the Jets were losing and they were still losing, even though Tebow for three quarters was throwing it like and this is with the ultimate of respect.

And I know this sounds very disrespectful. It looked like he was throwing it with his feet. I'm serious. Joe, I'm telling you, it was he was just missing receivers. It was not. It was just it was not. It was just him sometimes not having the right mechanics, the right.

The typical stuff. That's why he didn't get on the field so much in the pros is his practice. The balls were hitting the ground in your world. Coaches are like that in practice. If you don't practice well, you're not playing until it came to the point where they, you know, John Fox had to put him out there.

Right. So he did. And as we all know, Tebow time would hit and the fourth quarter hit. He was a different quarterback. The balls were now suddenly perfect spirals hitting somebody right in stride. And then when the throws weren't there, he was smart enough to pull it down and make the play.

I looked around at Marshall Falk and Mooch and the rest of us for Thursday Night Football. I'm like, this is real. Tebow time is real. It's a real thing.

I've never seen anything like that in my entire life. The dude puts the work in. He puts the work in.

Sure. Yeah, he does. He does. But now he does it for TV, too. Joe Hayden here on the Rich Eyes. All right.

Let me put you in the role of paparazzi then, shall we? Mike Tomlin has. He says, did you hear his sound bite where he says he has emphatically not going to think about switching quarterbacks. What did you see when you were, you know, on your date night watching TV last night? The first half, he looked really good.

I mean, he looked nice. I would say like the same thing with Coach T. We just need to convert on more of those on those third downs like going one for nine is you're not going to win football games doing that. So I think at the end of the day, just more more shorter third downs, completing those and just being able to make drives last a little longer. We can't keep going three and out.

One on first down. I don't think that he was doing too bad. I think Coach T is going to do a great job of studying the tape, showing that it's a couple little things. You know, I'm saying that will make that we could easily still could easily win that game yesterday. But I think that just like you said, he's not a quick reactor. He's going to go watch the tape.

Go figure out what's going on. He's going to coach some dudes up crazy. So I believe in Coach T. I think that he's got a process. And I think that, like I said, if they just win third down a little bit more and stop Nick Chubb from running the ball crazy like that. I think it would be a different game. OK.

I mean, and I'm I just don't know how pick it doesn't wind up in there at some point in time. That's just the way the NFL works. But he's just a different tolerance, just runs a different shop.

Yes. The Steelers organization is a different organization where they don't the pressures to the pressures from outside in there. They don't feel that. What's he like with the outside pressures and keeping them out? He showed Coach Tomlin is very he's very self-aware. And I think he's knows the heartbeat of the team.

He's able to talk to us and very transparent, very transparent of like when you didn't perform. So he'll go in there and he'll be on Trubisky. He'll be on the line.

He'll be on everybody. So you know where you stand and you know that you need to get your stuff going. So I think that Coach T is able to just really communicate to all of the players in a way that you hear exactly what he's saying. And, you know, if you're not performing, he's going to be able to switch it up. Do you have a safe for work version of a story where he did that to you, Joe? Did he ever call you out or they call me out a couple of times? I think just when with us is little people hitting. If you're a cornerback and you're not filling up the gaps, crack replacing.

So I think a couple of times I might have I might have missed a tackle when it was on me. It's like, Joe, like this is you literally just put it on the screen. And the thing is, because he died and it's got a lot. So I know when I messed up. He knows when I messed up. So he'll be able to tell you in front of your peers.

So he's not calling you out, but he's kind of like showing you where like this is where you need to. So you, Joe Hayden, you're you're in like probably what? Like you're nine. You're 10. You're 10.

OK, you're you're 10. Yeah, you've been you're got Pro Bowls in your on your resume. And he's showing your tape of you missing a tackle in front of the whole team. Yes. And I'm taking it just because, like, you have to, you know, like he's not I didn't make the tackle.

I missed it. So you got to be able to literally you sit down like this. I know that for sure. That's that's on me. You got to take it on the chest and make sure, you know, because she's watching.

So do your job and then you'll be fine. If you don't, he'll he'll he'll call you out. So that's the accountability that you hear. Yes.

Yes. So that's why when he said when he says things like that, he's going to go in there and you're going to have meetings, he's going to talk to Trubisky like literally in front of the entire team. He's going to talk to any offensive lineman, any defensive lineman that's not in their gap. So it's like each person, he's going to be able to, like, talk to you as a man because he's not lying to you. He's telling you what he wants and what needs to be done.

And you know what you need to do. And what happens if a player doesn't particularly take that coaching very well, Joe? Coach T doesn't make threats. He just makes moves.

You might not be on the team. But seriously, he gets it done. But that's that's the that's the that's what you want. That's when he says that we don't we don't like we like volunteers, not hostages. That's what he means.

Remember he said that about Melvin Ingram? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then Coach T will tell you, too, if you mess up too many times like this, if you don't fix that, we're going shopping. That's what he said. We're going shopping.

That's what he said. Yes, we're going shopping. I'm like, OK, that means you're not going to be here. Your seat will be replaced by someone else.

We're going shopping. And Nick Chubb is no Joe. That's it, right?

I mean, he's he's he's a man. OK. What do you see when you look at the Browns right now, when you watch the way that they've played, Joe? Because they had a they had a team only meeting on defense earlier this week after what the Jets did to them. Yeah.

At the end of the game just four or five days ago. And it looked like there was a challenge that was thrown down that they they kind of met last night. When you think I think they're they have a they have a very, very solid team all around. And the offensive line is amazing. The defensive line is amazing. And I think in the league, if you have pass rush and you can control the ball running, like that's that's more than half the battle. So I think the Browns are really good from offensive line perspective, defensive line perspective, and then they have a great running back. So you can control the clock. You can control most of the game.

Joe Hayden here on the Rich Eisen Show. And you're a smart man, sir. So when you said earlier that there were only a handful of teams that you were considering to try and maybe give it one more shot for you. You mentioned the two L.A. teams. And obviously that's geographically sound for you and your family.

But a highly geographically unsound spot from Los Angeles would be western New York. And you're like you were going to consider the bills. I mean, it's they pass the eye test to say the least. Why? I will just give you the floor and why you were thought, OK, the bills, I want to be part of that.

I want to be part of that. I think because mainly last year, I think they could be Kansas City. I think I thought they wouldn't win the Super Bowl last season. And then just with the chip on their shoulder, Josh Allen is a man. Stefan Diggs, he's from Maryland. He's one of my really good friends. I was hanging out with Vaughn the whole off season. He was recruiting me to Buffalo big time. He was.

Oh, yeah. He was literally I think he might have gave me a couple of dollars from his. He's literally one of my best friends. He golfed all the time. So I just that part and then just for Davis White, there's so much talent. I play with Poirier.

Micah High is one of my really, really good friends. It was just great team. And I just really think that they have a really good shot. I mean, you take a look at them and what they're doing, as I was saying earlier this week, and I know I'm going to be a broken record until they don't do it. They're soul snatchers. They're not just coming to beat you. And now twice they've left their opponents wondering what's up, what happened. And can we match that if we have to play?

Yeah, no, for sure. You know, I think they have so much firepower and I think them losing last year makes them even more, even more hungry. What do you think of those dolphins before I let you go? And that offense and what we saw and we're seeing.

What do you think of that, Joe? Explosive. There's so much speed over there and you can't teach speed. So that's going to be tough for tougher any any defense. What defense do you think out there could be? I mean, Buffalo, Buffalo was going in a little banged up as well. I believe is we're currently talking. Hyde is going to has been ruled out of that game for Sunday.

What do you think? I mean, I think there's who can who can? It's going to be it's going to I think they might they're going to score some points for sure, I think. And now with Tredavious White, he's still not out there. And that was a baller. So I think when the bills get all the way healthy, the defense is going to be crazier.

But I think right now they just got they got to stand up somehow. OK, so keep them in front of two high safety. All right.

Two last ones for you here. The receiver that gave you the most sleepless nights, if you will. Antonio Brown.

You didn't stutter. Antonio Brown. It was because I played him and A.J. Green back in when I first got to Cleveland because I was following the best receiver. And we played him twice a year, every year. And Big Ben was diamond in it. And it was just I was worried about Ben and AB.

So it was kind of like a two headed monster. Yeah, you didn't stutter. You just said it right. Oh, yeah. Because it's honest.

It's honest. Right. And then the quarterback, who is the one that you knew you needed to get your rest for? I know you just mentioned died by Ben. It was Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

Yes. You got any good going against Brady stories? Oh, I got a great pick against Brady. Oh, you know, I think it was like three years ago when the Steelers, they came to Pittsburgh. We won the game.

I think that might be one of my favorite picks in my career. Yes. Close it out.

The Patriots were beating the Steelers all the time. And I shut that down. You didn't go full Lattimore on him, did you?

No, no, no, no. Respectful. Respectfully picked them. After the game, do you ask Tom to sign the ball? Is that something? So much disrespect. Never, never, never, never. It's Joe Hayden, man. Come on, man.

Joe, anytime you want, you want to get, you know, paparazzi time reps right here. We're golfing. We're going to golf. Oh, by the way.

Oh, yeah. This is fun. Fun golfing with you. Great.

I'm not going to I'm not going to I'm not going to lie. The one time that I golf with Joe, you know, Hole 10 was a little bit fuzzy after the front nine. We're throwing it back a little bit. Oh, we indulged on the front. It was a day. It was a Saturday.

Kids, both our kids were handled. We were good. Please invite me next time. Oh, yeah.

Oh, absolutely. Joe Hayden, you're the best. Congratulations. Let's let's stay in touch. Anytime you want to come here. This floor is yours.

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One of my favorites. I don't know what's going on with the Celtics and Imeo Doka. I mean, this is wild, wild, shocking, confusing. All at once, it started, as we all know, with a wodge bomb with a couple of nights ago, saying that the Celtics could potentially fire, if not suspend. A huge suspension being faced by Doka for violating organizational policies is just so vague, so strange, so weird and so, you know, irresponsible of the Celtics to let that out there. Unless the Celtics didn't want it out there. And today, when the owner of the Celtics, Wick Groesbeck, spoke today along with Brad Stevens, it sure looked like they were pretty pissed that it got out there.

Now you could sit there. They're acting like that. Yeah, Brad looked pretty pissed. But you know, because they, you know, a lot of many of their female employees, because the word is, again, is that you Doka had a an extramarital affair consensually with a member of the Celtics organization. And it's like, OK, if it's consensual, like, what harm is it? Well, he's also the head coach. Well, there's also human resources policies that maybe he didn't follow. Well, we just don't know. And we're just filling it up.

We just don't know. And the Celtics didn't tell us a damn thing more today other than the fact that something happened that they've been investigating since the summer. And the investigation came back with multiple violations that caused the Celtics to make this maneuver. And the coach himself put out a statement last night apologizing. To players, fans and the entire Celtics organization, my family for letting them down, I'm sorry for putting the team in this difficult situation. And I accept the team's decision out of respect for everyone involved. There will have no further comment. And the team hardly commented again today.

So we just got it like, just trust us. He did something terribly wrong. He's now suspended. He was the owner of the Celtics.

Again, Wicke Grousbeck today. We have reflected as a group and with outside advisors and a diverse group, in fact, of people deciding really what to do, which I take ultimate responsibility for at the Celtics. Everything that is decided. But I personally feel that this is well warranted and appropriate. Backed by substantial research and evidence and facts. And so I'm standing by the decision and Emay has accepted it and has expressed, in fact, appreciation. I don't want to belabor that, but he's been accepting of it and he's planning to move forward on this basis.

So we are over here. We are suspending him for the year and it's in place and we're moving forward. And the question is, what are the details? Well, we can't tell you. Well, what are the ideas about your coach coming back? What criteria does he need to meet to fulfill the last year of his contract and be a lame duck coach?

We haven't thought about that yet. I mean, that's the frustrating thing. And then you watch members of the NBA media as well and you could see that they know what the details are, but they're not telling or they can't say because it's really, really sensitive. The subject is sensitive and those in the know know and they're not saying whether it's the Celtics or the coach or anything else.

So what am I supposed to do here? Sitting here trying to give you my thoughts other than the fact that it is outrageous. And just to front load again, what's being said is that, you know, we're talking more about this coach than Brett Favre's situation.

And I'll just say it one more time. Brett Favre appears to have done something awful. And it looks like he stole money from those who need it. He says he didn't do it. The text and everything else that have come out makes it seem like he damn knew what the hell he was doing.

And it's awful. And if he is criminally charged, I will be the first one talking about him walking to the courthouse. But he's also 12 years removed from the NFL. This is the head coach of the Boston Celtics, who's just been sat by their organization for a year. And they're not saying why. And they're saying, trust us, there's a particular reason why.

And the coach is accepting of it. I don't know what else to say. Other than the fact it's sad and I feel for the families involved and the people involved. And the speculation surrounding it that can't be substantiated or put to bed because nobody's talking. There's been a lot of trust us.

Hour two coming up. I don't know what to make of it. Yeah, it didn't seem like what went on today with Brad and Wick really shed any real light. The kind of thing that hit me was that it was in the Celtic statement last night. It was violations. It wasn't one. It wasn't singular. It was plural. So you can only lead to believe that this went on often or they told him not to. And he just did it anyway.

Or he didn't disclose. It's just really frustrating as a fan because you're so excited for how last year ended and you're getting ready for this year. We're weeks away from training camp.

And now this bomb gets blown up and kind of dissolves your team. Just the way that it was presented to the rest of the world over the last 24 hours. Yeah, it hasn't been great either. It made it seem like the Celtics just found out about it two days ago and then somebody leaked it to WOJ and the Celtics took way too long to make their decision because Twitter was trying to fill the void. And that's the way, honestly, it looked over the last 24, 48 hours. And instead, the Celtics are like, we learned about it in the summer. We've been investigating it. There's multiple teams that have been looking at it and it got leaked out and Stevens called it B.S. and actually said that word on on live television.

And I say you feel you feel for all the female employees of the Celtics who are having their photos thrown up on social media because everyone's just speculating. Yeah, that's the one. That's the one.

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