REShow: Tyler Dunne/Rex Hoggard - Hour 3

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I'm gonna have to fight T.O. in the parking lot of the Del Mar Country Club. Earlier on the show Baylor head coach Dave Aranda. Browns beat writer for the Cleveland Plain dealer Mary Kay Cabot. Coming up Go Long founder Tyler Dunn. Plus senior writer for GolfChannel.com Rex Hogger. And now sitting in for Rich it's Ryan Leaf. Welcome back everybody to the Rich Eisen Show. Ryan Leaf here filling in for Rich alongside T.J. Jefferson, Michael Del Tufo on the ones and twos and Mr. Chris Brockman.

Hey Ryan. Father of Cage Brockman. Correct. Yes.

Yes. Father's Galore. Another monster. We talk about the monster that is MacGyver Leaf. You know we also have another monster in Cage Brockman.

I can tell I can't tell you I mean the names Cage and MacGyver. I mean you just know they're gonna run the world. They're gonna get in some crap. Yeah. Bruises, biting people. I love it. All right.

Speaking of biting people I think a lot of people who were Bills fans last year watched how the last 13 seconds of that game went would like to bite somebody. Next here on the line a good friend of mine Go Long founder and golongtd.com. Check it out Mr. Tyler Dunn. How we doing Ty? How's how things going? Ryan what's up man?

Great to hear your voice. How have you been? I'm good. I'm good. We're having a good time here.

I get to get to sit in this chair for a few days and especially during a time when football is on the run here on the rise. One of the bigger questions I had about this Buffalo Bills team and I know you cover all of the NFL but in particular with the Bills. How it was addressed a year ago right? I mean I think people hem and hawed around the decision making by the coaching staff and it really showed the pressure and stress they were under in that moment and some of the decision making that went into it to lose that game to how they were going to address it. How have they addressed it inside that locker room because they really haven't talked about it publicly but it had to be addressed at some point otherwise they were going to be in just this limbo heading into this next season.

You just nailed it. It remains to be seen how they respond to it and I think you know there's three ways to look at it. Number one I think that the fans the hard-working you know people here of western New York deserved some type of explanation for one of the biggest meltdowns in sports history and then you know us in the media we're always trying to know what in the heck went down but that third group that the players themselves the coaches themselves the employees of the Buffalo Bills internally the 48 hours after that game and talking to players and coaches and people in and around the team they didn't really know either they were stunned we're talking starters backups coaches it surprised them that the season ended so abruptly and look part of it is the way an NFL season ends you're not going to all reconvene in the film room the next day and break down you know what went right what went wrong you clean up your locker and you're out of there but it still was really strange I mean that's kind of the word they just kept coming up it was weird it was strange it was odd that it just kind of ended and people just kind of went about their merry way and yeah you know Sean McDermott he stuck to his line I mean he stuck to execution in his press conference after the game he stuck to execution at his final press conference and just kind of chose to not really get into any detail that's kind of par for the course for him as the head coach so that's his prerogative I mean you mean you played in the NFL Ryan and now you cover the league and cover the game you hear that word usually it means player error it's it's the coaches putting it on the players that hey they weren't able to execute but I guess it's broad enough that you can kind of just skate by and not really explain what happened yeah it's it's been interesting and I've been really interested to see how they respond and handle it Shirley Camp looks like it's going full full go Josh Allen everybody everybody seems healthy and energized they are I think the reigning favorite in Las Vegas to win the Super Bowl this year they are one of my favorites one of the bigger questions what does this team look like post Brian Dable right he moves on to the New York Jets the best thing I think that I thought they did is they stayed in house right they Ken Dorsey gets elevated to offensive coordinator he's been Josh Allen's quarterback coach for the last few years he is going to make the offense his own but I think that's probably a really good sign for Bills fans out there that we're going to see a lot of the same exciting offense with the Bills with Ken Dorsey at the helm yeah that's what they're hoping that it's just seamless and that they're going to keep a lot of this basically all the same terminology and the same plan of attack moving to Ken Dorsey and it's it's a fun offense I mean you've got an MVP front runner and Josh Allen and I think that's part of the frustration right how that last season ended you had a quarterback who was just feeling it I mean I don't really know what team what defense what scheme would have stopped Josh Allen last season the way he was playing so you know you hope he picks up where he left off and I think that Isaiah McKenzie and the slot is going to be play a huge role he's always kind of been there they just haven't really used them so he steps into that role that Cole Beasley is playing before I think Gabe Davis is a rising star that they could become a full-fledged star very very soon and Devon Diggs is always going to demand attention so I think where it's interesting though you know there was some friction between McDermott and Dave Ball toward the end of last season on how much to run the ball kind of like you know that balance between run and pass and what happens this year you know with Ken Dorsey does he kind of give in to wanting to run the ball more and have a little bit more balance or what I think you should do when you have Josh Allen you keep your foot just slammed against that gas pedal and you just let him do his thing running the ball throwing the ball and and then just go that route so nothing really matters right now for the Bills in August nothing matters in September October November I mean this is a team that is in major Super Bowl or bust mode and I mean it in all the best reasons when's the last time a Bills team was in Super Bowl or bust mode I mean it was uh I don't me and my friends were probably two three years old at the time yeah it was Jim Kelly's run and it was Thurman Thomas's run when they were going to four consecutive Super Bowls really right I mean that was that was the place uh what do you think do you think that inside that facility they like they like because of how people are perceiving them to be this year they like that or is this something uh that this team having that moniker on them as Super Bowl or bust uh you know may not be able to handle the pressure you know it's that that's where the psychology of the team gets so interesting because I think they got to this point by really leaning into that underdog role I mean you're talking 17 years without this team even making the playoffs the four Super Bowl losses before that you know you sprinkle in a little music city miracle you sprinkle in a little Rob Johnson Doug Flutie quarterback controversy it's it's been you know taking dark turd after dark turn and so Sean McDermott comes in and they fumigate the building they they put in you know their culture their way of doing things everything is so detail oriented where it's down to a tee if it's May 17th let alone October or November so I all that stuff is good but you're not the underdog anymore I mean you're the favorite yeah you've got the target on your back you've got the MVP favorite you have all these weapons you signed Von Miller it is you know I didn't get anything less than the Super Bowl probably is a disappointment in a loaded AFC I think they'll handle it well you know even though last season added so abruptly and the head coach really didn't take accountability in the moment privately or publicly I think that every year genuinely is a new year they lost some players they added some players and it this does seem like keen in a really good headspace overall and and you can be in a really good headspace when you have the quarterback you do I mean he can make a lot of problems disappear as long as Josh Allen is out there they they fit with the Super Bowl favorite absolutely moving around the NFL a little bit right the Cincinnati we were just talking about the AFC North and and how interesting it is especially with the Deshaun Watson news that's going to come down in a few days in Cleveland but you know Cincinnati for for an offseason where they played in the Super Bowl and were really a couple plays away from possibly being champions there really hasn't been much talked about this Bengals team and I and I and I feel like that's a good thing when when it's kind of quiet and guys are just going about their business when big splashes are made I think people may be trying too hard what what's been your takeaway from this Bengals team and what the offensive offseason has presented for them heading into year three under Joe Burrow I totally agree with you it stuns me that we're not talking about this team in this quarterback quarterback more I mean probably a lot of it is the fact that Joe Burrow just had the epidectomy and part of it is history the last three decades I believe or close to three decades only one Super Bowl loser was able to get back to the game the next year and that was the Patriots with Tom Brady so you just don't see it I mean the Super Bowl hangover is a very very real thing but I think it's different here because this is a team that didn't expect anything last year I mean they didn't they weren't they weren't thinking playoffs they're not thinking Super Bowl they're just hoping to be relevant and they're they're kind of signing cast-off players right like like Mike Hilton and uh Eli Apple and they're just hoping for the best and as it turns out Joe Burrow is a star um every young quarterback seems to be skittish and unsure of themselves and afraid of getting hit and not really sure how they're processing defenses with Joe Burrow from day one he's processing like he's been in the league for a decade so you have that you have the report with Jamar Chase I mean they're making plays out there like they're a couple of veterans uh got that 49ers play right where Jamar Chase is running running one direction in the end zone back line and Burrow throws it the other direction and just they both know he's got to get to that pile on that kind of stuff is rare I think that this is a team that can get back to the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl because they've they've got all the ingredients um they're flying under the radar and that's a gnarly secondary man I spent some time with those DPs last week and Cincinnati and out of any defense in the AFC I think that group is is most equipped to uh you know have a punter's chance in these shootouts the news uh around Makai Becton a couple days ago um I think is has been more devastating than I than I think I would have assumed they they thought that he was going to be a big part of that anchored offensive line for Zach Wilson in year two how do you think they uh address that issue uh and move forward the season that's a huge blow I mean what what an off season for Becton to go from being out of shape and and and boy he caught a lot of flack a lot of criticism a lot of it justified and seemed to get himself to a really good spot for training camp and was really busting but I mean this is the kind of player that I think Robert Salo like that that's exactly what he's looking for right to turn that franchise around is you know here's a guy with a ton of talent uh a big lineman that you want to run behind that you want to protect your quarterback and he turns it around he buys into what you're building and then this happens like it's heartbreaking for him and it's a huge blow to the team and I I think big picture though I think the Jets are heading in the right direction like I don't think this is a team that's they're going to be making the playoffs or competing for Super Bowls anytime soon but you just hear Robert Salo talk at the press conference that he had out of that injury and you can see why guys want to play for him it's real it's authentic it's it's passionate it's not fake you know he's not standing there and just reading out the teleprompter like so many head coaches do I mean they're so robotic in that setting I mean you could just see the passion out of this guy and and that stuff matters I mean football isn't played on a spreadsheet it's an emotional game and and you gotta somehow squeeze every ounce of potential and maximize the potential out of your guys I think that Robert Salo did it in San Francisco the defense coordinator and he's going to do it there with the Jets because Joe Douglas also had himself uh one hell of a draft he did it they might have found four starters in this past draft the Jets are going the right direction all right so Tyler Dunn uh go long founder you can catch him at golongtd.com joining us now NFL writer um all right so we all know who the probable favorites are what people are thinking and stuff like that is there a team a la the Cincinnati Bengals who don't make the playoffs don't even close to the year before is there a team out there this year that you've watched and seen the improvement with um get to a place where they could surprise and be a playoff contender uh come playoff time right we we shouldn't take this hook line and sinker because we've we've done it before I know it the Miami Dolphins they go out and they pay a Mike Wallace they pay in a Domic and Sue they uh but go back to Dante Culpepper I mean since Dan Reno retired basically in 99 I think they made the playoffs next year but they've won a playoff game since then it's it's been it's been a long long time and um you know hey the no state income tax the weather the the opportunities down there it attracts a lot of free agents I mean a lot of really good players have gone there and it just hasn't worked out I think it's okay to take the bait this off season I really do I think that there is a uh a formula there for the Dolphins between a coach a play caller and Mike McDaniel who is brilliant I mean he's going to scheme up all of this talent all of this speed in ways that we can't even imagine I mean you had the two fastest players in the NFL Tyree kill Raheem Oster like literally the fastest next-gen stats and Chase Edmonds who was unbelievably dynamic with Arizona last year before his ankle injury and Jalen Waddell who all he did was go for a hundred and a thousand yards as a rookie uh and an improved offensive line I know Taron Armstead's been hurt but if he's out there he's maybe the best tackle in the game Connor Williams helps and we're getting to the quarterback I get it there's questions about Tua Tonga Biola rightfully so but he was in basically the worst possible situation before he's in basically the best possible situation now I think that Miami absolutely could surprise a lot of people this season and get into the playoffs maybe even win some games wow wow excited to see excited to see how this all plays out if you're a Dolphins fan you got to love hearing what Tyler Dunn has to say Tyler hey thanks for taking the time today it's always good to talk to you can't wait to do it again appreciate your time any day any time any time Ryan but thanks so much and love checking out on the show all right Tyler Dunn everybody golongtd.com check out what he has to say I can't wait to dive into that a little bit later guys Miami Dolphins right that's the team in the AFC East against your uh Patriots are they the team that's gonna leapfrog them this year or um or all three teams gonna be by for a that's gonna the AFC is brutal the four teams in the west the four teams in the north the three teams in the east if people are talking about it I mean there's there's just not enough that's 11 teams for seven spots right and then also the the AFC South has to send a division winner right so really there's there's not much AFC South had the one seed last year I know and they're not even we're not even talking about the time about them we're like all the Colts are gonna win the division because they have Matt Ryan and Shaq Leonard's awesome and Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman and the everyone loves Frank Reich I'm not even talking about the Titans Derek Henry is back people I think the thing we're not talking about most is the player maybe in the center fell who's made the greatest just turn around especially in far as far as how he's publicly perceived and that's Zach Wilson I mean like yeah I think he might have reached the point where he's ready to leave the Jets to you know some great things Ryan that's all I'm saying well Jets fans certainly hope that the guy who sits in this chair normally really hopes that right all right when we come back we're going to dive into the PGA Tour and the live tours ongoing feud I have a few interesting comments about that with Rex Hoggard from GolfChannel.com he joins us next here on the Rich Eisen Show we'll be right back welcome back everybody to the Rich Eisen Show Ryan Leaf here filling in for Rich our next guest is a writer for GolfChannel.com we're speaking about the PGA Tour the FedEx Cup playoffs it's taken the PGA Tour's very best just to get to this point now it'll take more everything they've got to win the ultimate prize the FedEx Cup playoffs begins with the FedEx St. Jude Championships Saturday 3 p.m eastern on NBC and Peacock like I said our next guest writes for GolfChannel.com and is here to talk about all things FedEx playoffs as well as the live tour and the ongoing beef now with the PGA Tour let's welcome to the show Mr. Rex Hoggard from GolfChannel.com welcome to the show Rex how you doing I'm good thank you so much for having me on you bet all right so of course the big news surrounding the live tour was the was the injunction that three players were looking for so they could play in this year's FedEx Club FedEx playoffs yesterday the ruling came down that said no go can you fill us in a little bit more on that info and why you think the judge ruled in the way the judge ruled I've covered a lot of these cases especially covering the PGA Tour and most of these hearings are so boring and dry just filled with legal ease where you just kind of get lost in the minutia and the weeds it this was a two-hour hearing yesterday and I was in the courthouse in San Jose and I was riveted I mean I'm a bit of a nerd I will own that but it was really fascinating conversation because it essentially had taken everything that we had read and all the filings and the lawsuits and the counter suits and everything and put it on a stage so to speak it put a motion behind these words and I thought that the judge did a very good job of taking a complicated issue and keeping it as simple as possible and whether or not if you agree with the ruling or not I think what you looked at in this particular case is and then this is always going to be the standard when you're trying to get a temporary restraining order is harm can you prove that there was harm if these players weren't allowed to play in this event and based on the contract which they were allowed to see the public wasn't but the judge and the lawyers were that these players signs would lift off they weren't able to prove harm yeah I mean that was the biggest takeaway that I got to was that the amount of money that that was being paid uh showcased that them missing these tournaments was not going to affect them negatively um this is really interesting now I understand fully uh the backing of how this started of course you know the it's backed by Saudi money and that's the understanding and a lot of ways people look at it now if you choose to look at it that way I'm all for it but I I I've had a tough time rationalizing why the PGA Tour has become so resentful of it right I mean I know they feel like they're being uh having some of their best players plucked away because of things like that but it's it's I haven't quite understood why the PGA Tour has gotten their their feathers ruffled so much around another competing um golf tour right something that just uh it has never existed outside of the PGA Tour and for a different option where guys have a chance to make more money why has it been so controversial has it been because of who's backed it in terms of that or has it simply been because some players uh weren't willing to do it or and have been open and honest about how they feel about it I think it has some to do with who's behind the money behind it the tour has tried to make this a moral conversation a moral argument and that's worked in some circles and it hasn't worked in others and you know I leave it kind of up to the individual we all know Saudi Arabia and you can make your own choices about what blood money is or sports washing or anything else that goes into this I think the real emotions come from the idea that it's such an irrational threat commissioner Jay Monahan talked about this just a few weeks ago and he said point blank and very bluntly that if this is a battle that's only being fought with dollar bills the tour cannot compete which is astonishing to me because the tour just signed very very lucrative new TV deals with all of its partners and for him to sit there and say that we're flush and yet that's not even enough money to compete I think that's where the emotion comes from when you realize that you're up against an opponent who can do things that you cannot if this turns into a bidding war and you know it's a bidding war it's a war the tour is going to lose now I'll also say on the flip side that by and large that the players in this whole saga have been pretty understanding that when Dustin Johnson decided to leave and he announced I think most players said you know we're going to miss him we wish he wouldn't do it but but he can make his own choices it became very very personal last week when this lawsuit was filed and I think you saw a lot of players who are remaining loyal to the NBA tour suddenly pushed back because suddenly it wasn't sort of this abstract threat they weren't suing the tour they were suing all of the members and and that really that laned it hard yeah I can understand that one of the things I had trouble with specifically some of the people who spoke out and because they're such huge names they got a lot of news you right you hear Rory McIlroy a ton and we hear Tiger Woods talk about they can't understand why someone would leave a tour that gave them everything to go somewhere else I don't know if those two are the best to make the argument simply because both of those individuals have the generational wealth that is being presented to the likes of Dustin Johnson and Pat Perez and others that um that that they're stepping towards I don't know if those guys were the right voices even though people have wanted to hear from them because of that aspect of things there's an element to that where absolutely I mean we've heard sort of the obscene report that Tiger Woods was offered I don't know half a billion dollars or 700 million dollars or whatever number you choose to believe which is an astronomical figure however we're talking about Tiger Woods to your point the general generational wealth is there still there you can say the same thing for Rory and JT and Jordan Speake to a certain example and the flip side of that that I have argued is I actually did an interview with a player named Richard Bland he's an Englishman he's 49 years old and it was earlier this year in Texas and I asked him why he already announced that he's point live and he explained very well that he's 49 years old and in his corner he had made 2.5 million dollars and he asked me to do the math like I had I've been playing for 25 years so you do the math on what I've made over the course of my career of course I'm going to take this opportunity that's why I said when this was an abstract threat for the players I think by and large most of them understood this is about money and this was about whatever individual challenges you have you have to take care of your family you have to pay the mortgage whatever the case may be it really didn't become personal until last week because in this this phrase has gotten weaponized and I'm not even quite sure what it means but it's have your cake you need it too yeah they don't the players suddenly have a hard time with that one you're not going to be able to play both of them I think is why this sort of degenerated to where we're at right now. Joining us here on the Mercedes-Benz Vans phone line Rex Hoggard from GolfChannel.com senior writer yesterday there were some rumors and some talk and it has been going on for a little while around Cam Smith right the British Open champion and the possibility of him moving on to the tour as well after the PGA FedEx playoffs what are you hearing about that and is there is there if there's smoke is there fire type of scenario with this? I mean I think the rumors have been pretty rampant and what live golf has done and they've been pretty successful in this is just sort of letting these players bleed out one by one by one and it's just paper cuts I mean they just continue to take shots at the tour week in and week out even in the middle of the playoffs in this particular case Cameron Smith has been rumored to be going to live golf even before he won the open championship so I don't think there's any surprise there I guess the only thing that I can say escalated sort of yesterday and probably a little bit at St Andrews after he won is instead of doing the things that the other players did which they didn't admit they were going to live golf but they said all the keywords right like they had the talking points down I want to compete against the best players in the world and I have to do what's best for my family that was all code for yes I'm going to live golf instead Cam Smith has decided to sort of draw a much harder line and I don't understand it I understand that you want to play the playoffs and you want to win the playoffs and I don't think anybody's got a problem with that but I think you need to be a little bit more forthright in a lot of people's minds. Yeah you know transparency is is a fickle thing within individuals who are making a decision that seems very controversial in the eyes of a lot of people all right well let's get into the real deal then the FedEx playoff start this week you know it's been an intriguing PGA Tour season you know we head to the final three where where are we at right now Scotty Scheffler still at the top of the list where where where are we looking as we come down the stretch Tony Finau after a couple back to back with a back-to-back win a few weeks ago where are we at now with the with the playoffs ramping up? I took the red eye from San Jose where the court hearing was yesterday to Memphis and I kind of started to try to get back into golf mode because this has been you know lived off had been consuming you and all the things you just pointed out sort of struck me on the plane last night that it's been a really cool season where Scotty Scheffler has had a career year Cameron Smith has certainly had a career year the one that really stands out to me and and I wish I could have gotten here on time for it uh press conference was Rory if he's coming off what had to be a heartbreaking finish at the open championship although I don't know how he really went away from that because I saw a stat a few weeks ago that said in the I think it's six players that made the cut in all four major championships this year Rory was at the top of the heap at a total of 29 under par the next closest was Cam Smith at 21 under par by any definition Rory has had an unbelievable successful season and yet I think still in his heart of hearts he's thinking he still has something to prove and he's won a FedEx cup he knows how to do this so I would keep my eye on him and certainly Cam Smith seems motivated for a lot of different reasons yeah I'm looking forward to it exciting times um the um the switch and change in the order of the majors right moving the PGA championship up it ends the the season of golf um in terms of majors earlier than than than what we're used to and I know this has happened over the last few years but um is is the FedEx cup trying to become that that that major that that that ultimately gets people excited and back at it later in the year since they've made those types of moves I think so sure I think when the PGA championship moved earlier in the season and I mean this was done for a lot of different reasons primarily to try to get out of the shadow that football throws over every sport so there's no reason for golf to try to compete with football because you're not going to win that battle but in this particular case I don't know that they're ever going to be considered majors although I would make the argument that a FedEx cup championship to beyond the money I mean the winner gets 18 million dollars beyond the money has has started to reach a level of prestige that's not major like but it's the next level down and I would also argue that if you look at how the playoffs have sort of evolved over the years it used to be four events and the points were different the way they did the tour championship was different and I still don't know if they have the formula right like I'm not smart enough to figure out the map on that but I would argue that it gets people to pay attention to golf our best players are playing during a time of year when they traditionally have not been playing and they're playing for a significant prize I think that's a win for the tour. Rex Hoggard everybody GolfChannel.com senior writer joining us thanks for taking the time Rex really appreciate the info. Thanks for having me on. You bet. Rex Hoggard everybody GolfChannel.com senior writer all right so you know Chris Brockman you're a golfer i'm tj you've become a golfer apparently right um golf now tj golf ryan he played a par three was a par three course two weeks ago oh it's not me mike's on uh played got busy put in work all right you know so hearing this from rex around I mean what has been your guys's thought process around the live tour right I don't I understand it sucks right you think the live tour sucks yeah because of why everything that we've talked about it's just the sport washing of a terrible country and a terrible regime who's just trying to be like throw money at the problem and use the reputations of all these golfers soccer players the formula one teams to make everyone forget about the terrible things that they've done uh it's it's it's terrible it's too bad but if I was in one of these young kids shoes and somebody offered me a ton of money to go do something it would be really hard to say no though at the same token because where else are you going to make that kind of life-changing money there's an integrity concept to it right yep what are you willing to do um but the problem is if we look at anything you can kind of point your finger you can find back channels to anything yeah look at the pga tour and all their sponsors where it starts and things like that there's if you did a deep dive into something you're going to find things that aren't necessarily kosher in all of this so yeah but you're doing deep deep dives right you don't have to deep dive there's no deep dive that has to be done this is flat out and phil mickelson said the the quiet thing out loud right that got reported and what sent him on a spiral and and where he's at right now right those are the things the atrocities civil rights violations the murder all of those things that play into it and then you have greg norman at the helm of it and i don't know if there's a bigger narcissist than greg norman and all this like he really really believes that he is wronged in every aspect of everything and this is his way of of of you know lifting the game of golf up i mean there's a self-importance to it that makes this an even bigger issue too um i don't if the if the pga tour were more i think they may be afraid to go after them in terms of the the hierarchy or the take the high road uh about what the live tour is because maybe they have some some things in their closet they don't want a deeper look at i don't know but the way they've gone about it it seemed very petulant like a child in in their resentment because to rex's point and i hadn't heard this yet is that there's a real fear right they for the amount of money that exists around pga tour golf pga tour golf for him to make that statement like we cannot compete with uh a group that just prints their own money and throws it around uh like this and that's astonishing um i have not consumed the live tour yet has any of you consumed it it's very been very difficult right a little bit of the first event just because i was curious i had to do a search to find it i ended up going to their youtube page it wasn't a lot of people watching maybe 60 70 000 people but uh you know it's clunky the team concept the logos it's weird the the shotgun starred and all this stuff it's just kind of you know it's kind of amateur hour it is and it will be interesting to see how it carries on if they're able just to you know buy their way out of all this we'll see uh the pga tour is on alert but this weekend uh it's going to be the focal point again the pga tour this weekend the fedex playoffs yeah let's go it's taken the pga tour's very best just to get to this point now it'll take more everything you've got to win the ultimate prize the fedex cup playoffs begins with the fedex saint jude championship saturday three eastern on nbc and peacock all right when we come back we'll put a bow on this show talk a little more football on our way out you're listening to the rich eisen show i'm ryan leaf filling in for rich we'll be right back all right everybody welcome back to the rich eisen show ryan leaf here filling in for rich eisen alongside tj jefferson michael del tufo chris brockman um big show we had a big show dave aranda joined us talked baylor football mary k cabot from the cleveland plane dealer also talking about all things cleveland um tyler dunn from the go long podcast and go long td.com joined us to talk all things nfl um and then just we just got off the phone with rex hogard who is the golf channel.com writer about the live tour and everything that went into this week's decision um what was your biggest takeaway from the show today guys uh mine was mine was hearing some of the stuff from ty uh especially around the miami dolphins right i think that this is a big question we asked andrew brant yesterday around the bags of cash that these wide receivers are getting and the allocation of salary cap percentage to them there hasn't been a definitive um super bowl champion to have a wide receiver number one take up so much cap this would be a first at least since 2014 i believe is when the data shows um is what tyreek hill got is what miami did to further their team to improve their team going to be the answer uh in the afcs this year or they just they're simply playing second fiddle to buffalo and then fighting with new england on whether or not they're going to be a wildcard team at the end man i don't know okay so i'm looking at the this boat track right now for wide receivers right average per year how many of these teams that have these receivers have a chance to win the super bowl or you would put them as favorites right tyreek hill is number one at 30 million dollars per year dolphins super bowl contender yay or nay nay oakland raiders devante adams is second 28 million per year raiders yay or nay i think they have a shot this year arizona cardinals d'andrea hopkins is at 27.25 million per year well if you look at what the first half of the season looked like last year where they were the last undefeated team right he's suspended for the first six games of this season no they're not a super bowl contender all right cooper cup is next at 26 are we taking the consideration that the super bowl is in arizona last two years i'm big on this right yeah but they need to get they need a quarterback to come in i love it too that's that's part of the equation it's just not that they need a quarterback to come in okay good point we didn't we never took that in the consideration right that's a variable in this algorithm i told you we're not good at math around here yeah uh fourth up is cooper cup 26.7 i think we all think the rams are super bowl contenders definitely uh fifth is aj brown 25 million even per year how about the eagles super bowl contenders no not not after what i swear not after i could see them get back to the playoffs but i mean they they were just outclassed and outplayed in that playoff game against tampa now did they learn something did jaylen hurts take something from that i don't want to just throw them out and say they're not a contender i think pretty much any team that made the playoffs a year ago they really improved their team should be considered a playoff contender right so uh or a super bowl contender and if you think that the cincinnati bangles who no one even thought of yeah yeah philly i'm gonna i'm gonna say yeah i'm gonna say philly has a has a shot um they have the pedigree they've won a championship before um you know we'll see but i just don't know if allocating this much money to a wide receiver number one now where does debo samuel now fit in where we're gonna get to him so stephon digs is next to 24 million obviously we love the bills around here yep dk mechaf his new deal is next to 24 million i i don't think any of us think seattle is gonna gonna be there this year and then debo samuel at 23.85 million do you think the 49ers are super bowl contenders well i think you know when we went through our little exercise yesterday around would your team be better off right now with jimmy garoppolo playing quarterback it wasn't we were not taking into consideration whether or not i'm like in san francisco i think right now i think it's i think jimmy garoppolo gives you a better chance but people were up in arms about well you got to let the kid play so we can see i said well that's not that wasn't part of the the experiment the experiment was uh without anything salary cap without trying to get kids experience to get better like trevor lawrence and jackson but like if you could swap jimmy garoppolo into his position right now anywhere else for this season this season alone uh not not negating the further progress of some player and things like that you know jimmy garoppolo is a good fit in those places i i don't know what san francisco is going to look like with trey lance i want to believe that the decision they made to go move up so far to three draft him sit him last year with all the things that that that were said about doing that i would like to think that they are going to be a better team offensively uh and be my be more diverse which they were pretty diverse a year ago with what they did with debo and the different things they did in the running game that that i would think they would be a better team but we just don't know that right we don't we don't know they knew that out of all the receivers that were paid this off season i would argue debo samuel was the most understanding of that being done because of what he offers the san francisco 49ers and what he showcased last year i mean going off what aj brown did a year ago to grab that kind of bag wow well done we know what tyreek hill can do clearly we've watched it play out in real time you go and pay the guy 30 million dollars a year you better that dude better ball out like i mean he may walk back to the locker room afterwards like i got that bag you know i'm doing what i what i can do you know i don't know if it's you know i don't have the same quarterback that i had in in in kansas city and that's a choice i made that was a sacrifice i made to get the money that i needed to get right we'll see we'll see if that's the case i think this is going to be an incredible incredible season for us to decipher whether or not the likes of the green bay packers the likes of the kansas city chiefs who said we and the tennessee titans we are not going to die on this hill we're going to let the wide receiver position go and supplant it with the draft sky more in kansas city trailing burks in tennessee and christian watson and now we're seeing romeo dubbs uh or um um be the guys that are going to have to make a difference so i mean we're going to learn a lot this year in terms of where it goes with the salary cap allocation because i haven't seen it pay off in a super bowl super bowl champion super bowl champion maybe it does this year maybe that will be the new way the new marketplace for this progressing game in the nfl where they throw the ball and throw the ball and throw the ball little news out of tampa bay as we saw russell gauge right um came up blame um and uh we'll find out more about that but also another setback on the offensive line right in front of tom brady another center robert hansley um our hanesley goes down right second year player who recently replaced center ryan jensen was cut off the field todd bowl said he doesn't have an update yeah so i do have i do have an all right that's why we got you around here that was early this morning uh a little bit more recently uh just it was a bad cramp situation not a leg injury so dealing with the heat down in south florida uh robert hansley just dealing with cramps thankfully thankfully everybody's got to be so thankful for that right because where do they where do they go if they're they're backups out yeah that would have been really bad news uh for tom brady and company tom brady does an exceptional job of getting the ball out uh he he figured that out along the way and understands him and we were talking about it yesterday watching the uh the tuck rule uh the snow game whatever you want to call it on on espn plus the other day i um to hear tom brady talk about how i just held onto the ball too long i mean just i mean just you know you can't do that you can't put your offensive line in that position you got to get rid of the football and he does a really good job of that so if there's anybody that can mask a depletion in offensive line it's it's tom brady because he just knows where the ball is going to go payton manning was just as good as that too i mean the guy knew where to get rid of the ball if there was any sort of pressure or anything that will make it better for him to get the ball out of his hand the faster he got it out the better he was uh for the team later down the line so those were a couple injuries that we heard about um the lamar jackson conversation will keep on going right where does he land in terms of a contract he can't honestly uh play on this year's contract maybe he can right 20 plus million dollars much more than he's made up to this point in his career as a quarterback and maybe he bets on himself that he goes out and plays plays great and sets himself up for a huge extension or puts him in a position for the ravens over the next two years to to to have him in the in the way that he plays for two years in a franchise tag right now don't get me wrong the franchise tag is going to be extensive right what's what's the average next year of the the top five nfl quarterbacks it's going to probably be near the mid 40s low 40s maybe uh yeah i would say high 30s most likely all right all right so two seasons and maybe 38 and 39 million dollars if you were to to i mean if you're the ravens and you're looking at a cap issue right paying him 20 plus some this year then maybe two years of franchise tagging 38 39 uh and you say you you say you could have lamar jackson former mvp three years out on a on an average of around you know 30 million dollars that that may you know 32 million dollars that maybe look like a win for them in their books right i wouldn't do that if i was lamar well i don't think i don't know if he has a choice in the matter right maybe the offer because it hasn't gone out isn't what lamar wants and he's willing to go play through this process i i i'm with you like curt cousin style just just we've seen that cruscott do it we saw russell wilson do it once we've seen curse cousin do it and it's all worked out for those guys definitely worked out for cousins so you know we'll see we'll see but tomorrow uh when we get back we'll have a great show once again for you um we'll dive more into the nfl um and another division uh it's been a great being with you today uh everybody out there on the radio and westwood one uh we'll see you tomorrow here 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