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Cardinals defensive end Kaleis Campbell, the ringer, NFL draft analyst Todd McShea, former NFL general manager Mike Mayock, and now it's a rich eyes. That's right. Can confirm it. And here I am. Hey, I love doing that. I don't know. It's so dumb to start it.

I mean, certainly on the radio, people are like, what are you talking about? I can't see it. So got the Roku channel.

We laugh every time because you don't see it coming at any rate. I'm here. You're there. Todd McShea of the Ringer is joining us.

John Beck is just leaving the studio. Mike Mayock in our number three. This guy is one of my favorite human beings. I'm so psyched to chat with him because he's entering year 95 in the National Football League. I think I've gotten that right.

Is that right? Will it be Kaleis Campbell here of the Arizona Cardinals once again? Good to see you, Kaleis.

How are you? Oh, man. I'm blessed. How many favor man living the dream. Come on.

Look at us again. Come on. Who says you can't go home again?

Kaleis, who says that? Right. Yeah, I don't know the wrong. You could definitely always come home.

Home is where the fun is. So is this year 18? Did I get that right? Is this going to be year 18 for you in the NFL? Wow. Yeah, you're 18. Wow.

What about I don't know. I just keep wanting to play football and keep letting me. So one day I got to go home.

But right now I'm enjoying it as much as I can. And so it was the 2008 draft, fiftieth overall selection, and the Arizona Cardinals took you out of the U. Walk me through your memories of that draft.

Here we are in draft week, Kaleis. What do you got for me there? I had a really bad combine. You know, I should have trained with you for the run. Yes, I've been a little better.

Nice. But I had good training and stuff. I just kind of like, you know, mentally, whatever.

I need to be humble and it happened. But then leading up to actual draft week, I wasn't sure if I was still going to be like a first round pick, like I was projected or if I was going to fall. So people thought I might fall out of the draft completely. So it was a whole lot of uncertainty.

And I was like, whatever it is, what it is, like, we just got to ride with it and make the best of it. And back then they had first and second day, the first and second round on day one and everything else was day two. And so I couldn't imagine having to sit through now because I fell out of the first round and going second round and having that whole day go by probably would have sucked a little more. But for us, you know, when I got drafted, it was still just a couple of hours later after the first round. And, you know, once that caught them in, like everything else went out the window. Like it didn't matter anymore about where you got drafted. It was like, OK, my dreams here, you know, my dreams are coming true.

Got on the phone, you know, with all the, you know, with Ron Grace, the GM for the for the Cardinals at the time, Kim was, you know, got a phone, Michael Benwell. And it was just like, you know, like just the ultimate feeling surreal. You couldn't even like even right now at this moment, I still get chills thinking about it because you work so hard for something and then your dream comes true. And, you know, you realize that's what the work, that's what the work really gets started, which at that point really didn't matter no more. That's when the work really starts. Right. And then now 18 seasons later, you're back with them. I mean, you're are you just blown away sometimes walking around the town, the city, the facility, just seeing the Cardinals logo behind you, that this is happening for you, Koleas? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, it's always a possibility, right? You know, that's why you never burn any bridges. That's not my personality anyway.

But a lot of guys burn bridges or have, you know, you could you don't want to do that because it's always impossible you can come back. And so I know that the city has just been like on fire since the announcement came out. I trained here already. So when I'm in town, you know, guys always like, hey, we miss you guys. You know, we miss you. We want you back.

You know, so now that I'm back, a lot of guys are like, I mean, literally everywhere I go, welcome back, man. I'm so happy to have you, you know, hope this will be a big year. And I'm like, you know, I think we got a shot. We got a chance. So but it is surreal.

It's incredible. I mean, this, you know, this organization is one that gave me my start. First believed in me, had nine incredible years, but the two championship games when most people think we had a chance, you know, I was in the Super Bowl my rookie year, so my whole career started off with a bang. And I've been chasing that feeling again.

And who knew? I mean, I didn't even think I'd be playing 18 years. You know, I thought I'd be done by now. So I'm surprising myself, too. But at the end of the day, I love this game so much.

I love it with all my heart. And as long as they allow me to play, you know, I'm still good at it. You know, why not? Right. I mean, and you've done everything in your career playing, as you said, in championship games. And, you know, the Super Bowl and, you know, in your first go round with Arizona and my buddy Kurt Warner. And now here you are trying to get back to the Super Bowl and win it.

And Walter Payton, man of the year, is also in your trophy case for the lack of a better phrase, because it's more than just the trophy. Clearly, why do you keep doing it? Why do you want to keep doing it?

You know. I think about that all the time, because, like, you know, I got kids who require a lot of time. And so, like, you know, like, what's the point of going through the sacrifices, you know, losing time with them to really be good at this game that, you know, like, I mean, I've done enough where I could walk away and feel really good about my career. But when I think about it, it really comes down to, you know, the love of the game.

Right. Like, I love this game with all my heart. I started playing at six years old because, you know, I found out I could start playing.

I asked my dad to sign me up, you know, and I literally begged him, you know. And so I've always been in love with this football game. And, you know, eventually I do got to go home, but, you know, the reason why I keep going now is I feel like I got more to offer. You know, I got more to offer the game. You know, I can still be an impact player. I can still impact the locker room and helping these younger, talented young men develop and grow their game. And, you know, I take pride in that, you know, just trying to give more to the game, make the game better than when it was handed to me when I was a young bucket 18 years ago. So, you know, it's part of it.

It's a lot of other reasons, but that's the gist of it. You know, I just love it so much and I want to make the game better. So I feel like I still have a lot to offer it.

And a lot of that is being a leader and helping the young guys develop. But even on the field, I feel like I can still, you know, shoot those gaps and make those TFLs and get sacks and banner balls and game-chasing plays. So, you know, one day, you know, when I'm 20 years, 30 years down the road, and I'm looking back on my career, you know, I don't want to be like, I should have retired a year earlier because, you know, I just look at this tape, it's terrible. And so I definitely don't want to suck at the game. But right now I feel like I still ball. Sir, you do not. I can confirm that you do not suck at the game. You're the exact opposite of sucking at the game. And and I can say things like this.

You don't have to even react to it. But years from now, we can look back and maybe talk about a jacket and a bust and things like that in a certain state in the Midwest of the United States of America. It is the truth. What you have been able to do and in your career, Kaleis Campbell.

And you are truly one of my favorites. And before I get to, you know, your current situation and maybe talk a little bit of the use, since Miami, maybe the first institution of higher learning, has a name called on Thursday night. I do want to ask you about Miami last year, Kaleis, and what happened prior to the home opener last year? Is that is that something that lingered with the team that that you just couldn't that that it just it hung over the team for for weeks or months, or that's not fair to say? I don't think that's fair to say. It definitely had a lingering feeling for a few weeks.

But I don't think it was like, you know, enough of an impact to kind of justify like why we didn't play as good as we want to play early in the season. But, you know, that is a surreal feeling, right? You know, I mean, just on your way to work, you've done it so many times before and you're pretty much at work, you know, and, you know, I'm driving in. You know, and I see, you know, like there's a little bit of like, you know, just the roads blocked off and trying to figure out why, because it's never blocked off and then you pull up and I see, you know, Tyreek in handcuffs or, you know, get ready to put in the handcuffs. And so I pull over like, oh, wow, this is a big deal. You know, and then obviously trying to, you know, help the best way I can, you know, let me be in the handcuffs, which is even more surreal. But, you know, when you go to like that moment, you know, and like all the stuff that happened afterwards, because it's not just the moment, right?

It's all the, you know, the media, the family, you know, everybody reaching out, talking about it, you know, you know, I mean, in the locker room, all the players, I don't know what happened. You know, it definitely lingered way more than it should. But, you know, we did the best we could to kind of, you know, keep it at bay and keep the main thing, the main thing. You know, but that was a very surreal thing.

I mean, I've been playing this game a long time and driving to the stadium a long time, and that's definitely not something I ever thought could happen when you don't really break any rules, you know, but that's just the world we live in. But the beautiful thing is, is that, you know, you know, we're able to get through it and still, you know, even though we started the year off kind of slow, I mean, we were two and six at the train day line. You know, we made the last game matter. And, you know, I feel like that was, it was definitely an opportunity to try to, for me to try to be the best leader I can be and try to keep everybody together. And, you know, I think we did a decent job. I mean, you know, wish we had met the playoffs and made a run. But, you know, finishing the year off strong was definitely something I could hang my hat on. Yeah, you definitely won six of the last nine.

But the two and six is what led me to ask that question to see if it was lingering or any sort of sense on that. Now you're in Arizona. I got to, you know, spend some time with Jonathan Gannon before a game against the Rams at the end of the season. He's contagious, man, in a good way. You know what I mean? Like, there's an energy about him that I think it's clear there's been a lot of buying of what he's been selling there in Arizona. I wonder what your two cents are on that as you're joining this organization with Kyler and a team that does appear to be on the upswing here.

Koleas. Yeah, you know, before I ever met him, I've heard nothing but good things, right? You know, I try to keep a good pulse on the league. And I'm always talking to guys about how they feel about coordinators and sometimes even the line coaches and just different people that, you know, potentially grow in the league.

It's not like I'm doing that to try to have information for when I'm a free agent or something. It just kind of happened that way. But, you know, I definitely heard so many good things about Coach Gannon when he was in Philly and then getting the head coaching job and guys that play for him here. They all loved him. And so when the opportunity came and we got on the phone together, like I had a chance to see for myself and he was very impressive, you know, just, you know, I mean, blew me out the water. You know, we're just like the way you can tell he loves the game, his energy, his knowledge for how to, you know, get advantages in the game, especially on defense, defense line, you know. So, you know, he said a lot of things I like to hear, which led to obviously me being here now. And I think together, you know, I mean, my goal is just to help him as best I can put my hand in the pile and really just kind of help the maturity of the defensive side of the ball.

Just young guys, a lot of talent everywhere. And I know that from my experience and just my knowledge of the game, hopefully I can make a big impact here. Before I send you on with the rest of your Monday, Kaleis, not to turn you into my draft expert, but I'm about to. I imagine you watched a lot of Cam Ward football when you had a chance, right? Playing and playing in Miami, being a hurricane yourself, a lot of questions about whether he is worthy of the first overall pick, Kaleis.

And I'm wondering what your two cents are on that subject matter, Kaleis. There's no question, you know, he's a he's legit, you know, I mean, every young player, you know, has growth, you know, he's going to get a lot better the more he plays football and some of his knocks, you know, some of the things that, you know, you don't like about his game. He also does things that's like, well, I mean, if you make plays like that, then hold the ball as long as you want to, you know, right, right. He's incredibly talented, very smart, you know, hard working. You know, I mean, everything I hear about the guy, you know, has been, you know, incredible things before he got to Miami when, you know, when he was trying to decide where he wanted to go. You know, I definitely keep my I'm really connected with the Miami staff and they were telling me about him. And I was just like, wow, this guy sounds impressive.

And then to see what he did, you know, the season, it made sense with all the stuff I was hearing. So I say, though, talent wise, he can make every throw. You know, he knows where to go with the ball. He can throw a rhythm. He's a great creator. I mean, he's the ideal first round pick, you know, first round ball pick. He's the kind of guy that you could build a franchise around.

And, you know, he's got to teach them, you know, help them grow. But I mean, yeah, like this football, everybody gets better. There's very few people to come in day one and are like, you know, the most polished players, you know, I don't care. Even Michael Parsons or even, you know, Tyron Matthew, the guys who I witnessed just come in right away and were super dominant, they still got better the more they play. But I'm sure again, you were watching as an alum.

I don't know how many games you were able to make because clearly, you know, you had a Sunday job. But you were watching him last year thinking this is this is a professional quarterback with a monster ceiling. You were thinking that as a as a veteran of the game, as well as clearly an excited alum, Koleas. Yeah, you know, I like to think of myself as like a diehard football fan that's lucky enough to play it. But just watching him and playing, you know, the GM role that a lot of us fans do, you know, he's definitely a guy.

I would build my team around, you know, because if I had the first pick in the draft this year, I'm drafting him. OK, Koleas, you be well, sir. Good to see you.

Best to your fam. I'm just psyched to see you back. You know, look at that smile on your face. You're 18. That is a massive accomplishment. Massive 18 years in the national football league and then be able to sort of bookend it. That's rare.

I can't really recall somebody with an opportunity to do something like that. So I send my congrats to you on that front alone. I appreciate that means a lot. Always a pleasure to talk to you. You know how I feel about you. So take care of yourself. Let's let's connect soon. You be well.

That's the great Koleas Campbell right here on the Rich Eisen show from Arizona. You're 18. To be able to go back to where you once belonged.

Super cool at this level as well. I have it here. Let me see. Let me get this right. That's one hundred ten and a half sacks.

That's that's the magic number. It's a lot regular season. Regular season and you know, this is a guy who is rookie here. He goes to the Super Bowl.

Got to get him back. With Kurt, welcome to the pros. Let's go to the Super Bowl. That was a magical team.

Oh, my gosh. And he was part of the Saxonville Jaguars that almost went to the Super Bowl. And a couple of years with the Ravens. Cup of coffee with Atlanta, then last year with Miami. 844-204 Rich, number to dial when we come back.

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Visit Chevy.com to learn more. So I played 11 years. You did? They've been to the Super Bowl nine times. And I didn't get their warrants.

Think about that. And I was one pick away from being drafted by the Patriots. What happened? The Chargers drafted me. I know that's what happened.

They didn't come up and come get you. So I went on a visit to the Patriots. And that's when Charlie Weiss was office coordinator. And I go to Boston and I really like to visit. I like Charlie.

I love Charlie Weiss. You meet with Bill? I did meet with Bill. We sat in his office right above the stadium right there.

Where you're looking out at the stadium. We really just sat there. We really didn't talk about much. We just looked at each other.

What do you mean? You just looked at each other. Like Bill was just staring at each other's eyes.

So you're saying it was awkward? I mean, I just, you know, you know how Bill is. He just there's only a few things he probably wants to know about you. And I guess he was trying to get a sense of, you know, was I passionate about football? As most coaches do, you don't invest a first round pick on a guy.

You want to make sure they're passionate. Do you think they would have chosen you if you were available? Well, they said they were going to choose me. Charlie Weiss promised me if I was there at sticks because they needed to run it back. They needed to run it back bad that year. And so, yeah, when the Chargers drafted me, I think they took Richard Seymour.

Richard Seymour. Yep. But they did work down there.

They worked down there. Have you ever brought up to Brady when you've seen him? No, never brought it up. You could have been Robin, his Batman. I always, always thought about, you know, what would that be like? With all due respect to Antoine Smith, all due respect to Antoine Smith.

I know it would have been a little different. No way. Yeah.

I'm kind of getting freaked out. I love looking you in the face when he was telling that story in Atlanta at that Super Bowl years ago, stunned, right? Stunned. But hey, I mean, it worked out.

You know, it's a great consolation prize. Richard Seymour. Yeah. Hall of Famer. Yeah. Either way, you're getting Hall of Famer.

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Call clickrainger.com or just stop by. Christian in Toronto, Canada, wants to chime in here. What's up, Christian?

Out of my wife. How's it going? How's it going? How's everyone doing? Good? We're doing. We're doing very well.

How are you? NFL draft week. I'm fired up. Can confirm. Can confirm what's on your mind.

So as a as a lifelong and rare Canadian commanders fan, I had the privilege of watching the Bears game, the Hail Mary. OK, and watching Caleb Williams and seeing the off season that they've had, if they get Gente. Is that a problem for the NFC?

I think it's a problem for wherever Gente goes for the rest of everyone else. I mean, I think he is I don't think I'm telling any tales out of school. I think he's going to be like the other running backs that have been drafted top 10. I don't think that's got a he's got bus written on him. I think he's got somebody who could be as significant as Bijan or who knows, obviously, Saquon's in that mix. He's the pinnacle of that. But if he goes to the Bears, that would mean the Bears, I'm imagining sticking and picking, which means the Raiders would take somebody else, which means maybe the Patriots take somebody else.

And that would be somewhat surprising. Thanks for the call, Christian. Charming in from Toronto, chiming in right now from the ringer, our friend is back here.

Ladies and gentlemen, Todd McShea is back here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's go. I guess. Is that the are you a Game of Thrones? What the hell is that behind you? Is that the Iron Throne behind you? Todd, what are you what are you sitting? And where is this right now?

This is this is this is war this week, Rich. I'm in a hotel room. We got we got to L.A. last night here all week doing our shows in the ringer studio. So I'm in a hotel room now. You're going to jump in the car, drive an hour and a half for probably 20 miles to get to the studio. Very good.

We'll be good to go. I had no idea. Chris, where is the King's Landing Hotel here in Los Angeles? I have no idea. Great question. Oh, my God.

OK, looking into it. OK, do me a favor. Not to geotag Todd McShea.

OK, let's just jump into it. And what do you think is going to be the first surprise of this NFL draft, Todd McShea? How about pick five? I mean, everyone has said Mason Graham for the longest time, and now I'm starting to hear we brought in Liam Cohen. We've got Trevor Lawrence. We're we're trying to basically Cohen was brought in to fix Trevor Lawrence, if you will. Ashton Gente is a possibility there.

The name I'm now hearing is Tech McMillan, the wide receiver from Arizona. And so I'll be honest, I have concerns with him. He's not my number one wide receiver. I've actually got a second round grade on him because of all the all the the factors and concerns I have.

But you always try to put yourself inside the brains of decision makers. And James Gladstone, his first draft. And for a while, we were all like, well, he drafted two shorter arm defensive tackles and it worked out. Braden Fisk, 32 inches and Kobe Turner, 31 inches. And they've been great in that Rams defensive line was part of that group with less need. But yeah, they drafted that was like second, third round.

I think you look back at the history of Trevor. His best years were twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen at Clemson. He threw four to six foot, four wide receivers.

Right. And he against Justin Ross. Those two guys in those two years combined had four thousand receiving yards and forty two touchdown catches. OK, and now you think about it in Jacksonville. It's had a lot of smaller receivers, right?

Not big catch radius. You know, you think about Christian Kirk, Calvin Ridley. So let's get him guys that he was most comfortable with. He's not been the most pinpoint accurate quarterback. And so maybe Ted McMillan makes sense, even though I wouldn't take him there, you always try to figure out the why.

I think that would be the why. If Ted McMillan surprises me and I think surprised a lot of people to go that high in this year's draft. And I can tell you that this the Jets, the Raiders, all the teams that are looking for defensive linemen behind them, and there's a lot of them between picks like seven, six and seventeen, they'd be thrilled with that. So I was just to ask you, ask you if that if that stone does get thrown into the draft pond by the Jaguars, what the ripple effect would be.

And if it's what if what do you think? What if what if Ashton Gente then doesn't go to the Raiders like everyone's mock? I had an interesting conversation with the GM the other day and he's like, stop being so narrow minded with your thinking like everybody else seems to be right now, they think think about it kind of outside the box.

And I think he very specifically was kind of talking about that range of the draft. And also, you know, we're plugging the same names in with the same teams. It's always been Graham five to Jacksonville. It's always been Gente six to the Raiders, right?

What if it's not how does this thing look? Start to think like that. And then I got more information.

I'm sorry to kind of piece it all together. Gente doesn't go there because here's the deal. The offensive tackles aren't great, but teams are in such desperate need that they're going to wind up going that high edge rushers to me and all the conversations I had in the last 72 hours. Rich, these edge rushers are going a lot higher than you think.

And I think it could start with with number number six with the Raiders. I think edge and offensive tackle are in play there at seven with the Jets. Everyone's been talking about Tyler Warren, he's in play. But if the right edge rushers there, I've heard Jada Baron as a possibility.

This is an Aaron Glenn team. But then after that, I think it's going to be a real run on these edge guys. I think Mikel Williams is going a lot higher than people think.

I think you start to get to that eight, nine range and there's a real possibility there. I think James Pierce could go as high as 15. The Tennessee edge rusher, there's some red flags with him. I think Atlanta could take him at 15. I think in between Shamar Stewart, a lot of teams don't like them, don't like the agent, don't like the lack of production. But there's some teams that are bullish on Shamar Stewart. So these edge rushers are going to come off the board quickly. And if and all of a sudden, if we see a Tet McMillan in the mix, that bumps that could bump down defensive lineman, where does Mason Graham wind up going? And then the team that could benefit from all of this, if it winds up playing out that Jinty doesn't go six, Tet McMillan goes five, five. How about the Bears sitting at ten, Rich? I mean, could they even 72 hours ago, I don't think anyone in that office would have thought we could be looking at a scenario where we've got Tyler Warren and Ashton Jinty that we have to choose from at number ten, right?

This is going to be fun, man. No way. That's no doubt. Todd McShea here on the Rich Eisen show, also zooming in from Bill Simmons as King of the North Lodge here in Los Angeles, California. So where do you got Chidor landing three days before the draft? Where do you got him landing?

That's it. That's it's been a lot of fun having those conversations because nobody seems to specifically know that what I've been told is there's a little bit more love in the Giants building on the personnel side, the scouting department, the coaching staff, not so much. What I understand is this this last push, like, how about them jumping and grabbing that private plane, the Mera family private plane, and it's a Boulder on Thursday, Tuscaloosa on Friday, then over to Louisville on Saturday. And everyone was like, wait, they're going to work out Chidor. I think what got lost in all the messaging and the news is, well, they also worked out Milro and they worked out Shuck. This was about the second wave of quarterbacks, is my feeling. Now, again, there are still some people in that building that are, from what I'm hearing, kind of pushing for or at least being like, we need to consider Chidor three.

I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's going to be Abdul Carter at three. So now it's fascinating because the most recent information I'm getting, Mike Tomlin does like Chidor Sanders. I think that they. I thought that it was like that's the floor. I think it's a softer floor than people might think, though, in Pittsburgh. I've been told it might not even be 50 percent chance that they take him at 21.

And I've also been told, hey, this is an organization. They don't have a second round pick because the D.K. Metcalf trade. Maybe they're a team that would want to kind of dangle it and trade back. But who's going to trade up? I don't my my information is I don't think Cleveland's going to trade back up for for Chidor. I don't know the Cleveland's even going to trade back into the first round.

I think all these teams are looking at it saying, are all these guys going to fall? Is Jackson Dart going to be available at thirty three, thirty four? Is Chidor going to be available at thirty three, thirty four? So it's going to be a fascinating night. There's going to be a lot of speculation and rumors, I'm sure in the next 72 hours.

But as of right now, I can't say firmly that this is there's a floor. The closest thing we have is still Pittsburgh. But that's not a lock, according to what people are saying. And and honestly, the conversations I'm having, there's more talk about where do we have to go up in the 20s to get Jackson Dart? Then there is about there's there's one or two teams that are buying. I think New Orleans more interested in Dart. I think maybe the coaching staff for the Giants could be more interested in in Dart. And so if that's the case, it may be more of a sweepstakes to get in that 20s range. Maybe Minnesota only the fewest picks of any team in the NFL this year for picks.

Maybe Minnesota is a team that could trade back out in the middle of the 20s for a team looking to move up to go get Dart, like New Orleans or the Giants. So it's going to be a lot of fun. I got you on that desk. The door is still sitting at home or wherever he's going to be. Jackson Dart accepted his invitation.

Now he's he's rescinded it. He's not going to be there in Green Bay. So it's going to be a lot of fun trying to figure out where these quarterbacks go, as always is the case. But this year is going to be kind of wild. The team that is not quarterback needy that will take a quarterback in this year's draft is Todd McShea.

Which one? I can see Miami at some point. I think the Jets are in the market, but I think more third, fourth round. OK, I think the Rams at the right quarterback at the right spot, day two, maybe early day three.

I think we're going to see obviously Ward go one. Then I think somewhere in the mid 20s, we'll see that second quarterback come off the board. I bet the under on two and a half and nine quarterbacks at this moment in the first round. Then I think we've got thirty thirty three, Cleveland, thirty four giants, forty New Orleans, whichever those teams doesn't trade up, I think you could see a couple of quarterbacks go in that range. Then I think we're going to go a while on Friday night, you know, but pick forty one towards the very end. Maybe a team takes a one of those third tier quarterbacks. And I don't know Rose, obviously the wildcard. He's going to go on day two, according to everyone I talked to. I don't know where that landing spot is.

But then I think you get into that. Will Howard, Riley Leonard, McCord from Syracuse, I think those guys will be probably Saturday guys. But I think one of them maybe could sneak into that that late third round range. Maybe it's Chip Kelly with the Raiders late on late on day two.

For Howard, because he had a front row seat for Howard. Sorry. Yes, OK. Todd McShea knows the language, has trust in him, all those things. Todd McShea of the Ringer, the McShea show right here on the Rich Eisen show. OK, so many different ways to go here.

So so let me go with you on on this front. The Tennessee Titans, let's just say wave a wand and say there is still a discussion in that building about the first overall pick. Somebody calls you up, Todd McShea and says, listen, we we studied the crap out of Cam Ward.

You know, we we like everything about him, including the way he plays Twitch and on Twitch, you know, plays Fortnite. OK, and they've they've studied it all. But there's somebody in the room there pounding the table for Travis Hunter. And they ask you, Todd McShea, advice. What should we do with the number one overall pick? Your answer would be what?

What should we do? I think I think you take a more you have an opportunity. I think the traits are there. You've got to you have a head coach in Callahan who's been around. I mean, he's been around Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford, Joe Burrow, like he he's been around guys and knows how to develop them. And now you've got this this this clay, if you will, the quarterback who's got great instincts in the pocket, even though he's relaxed.

And he's kind of just hanging out there sometimes. If you can channel his instincts, channel his ability, if you just go and look at the clip reel of him when he's on time in rhythm, receiver making his breaks, back foot drop. He's an absolute assassin in the pocket in those moments. But they're kind of you know, it's mixed in with a lot of the hanging around in the pocket, waiting for Russia to come last second, you know, making a move, extending plays arm angles.

All those things are great and you can't suppress them. But you need to channel all the things he does, you know, in the confines of the constructs of the offense. So I would take him more to one at this point. I truly would. You've got to have the quarterback or else what? It's like nothing else matters.

And so this would be my swing at it. And I think Cam Ward has the right tools and you have a coach that can help develop them. But Travis Hunter is number one on your draft board, is he not? Yes, but he's not a quarterback.

Yet you're always trying to stir things up. Yes, I mean, here we are, 72. We there's only one certainty in this entire draft and that's Cam Ward going. What we're going to we're going to sit there and chip away at this or the number one certainty in this draft is Travis Hunter. He's certain, don't you think?

I mean, tell me what's uncertain about him, what that he's going to try to bite off too much and and and thus he's he's good at none because he's trying to be great at two. Really? I don't know about that one, man. I love him. I love I feel like you're trying to wedge me in a corner that I don't love Trev. I'm not wedging you anything. I'm talking about the way I feel.

That's that's that's a YP, not an MP, Todd. What would I do? I would I don't know. Listen, because I'm not a tape head, OK? I'm not an all 22. I I'm not grinding tape. I'm just not.

So the problem with Travis, here's the problem. I can't love him any more than I do. I mean, he's absolutely special. I think the thing that goes kind of overlooked because he's so great with the ball in his hands and the athleticism, the quickness and and what he can do on both sides. He might have the best ball skills in the last decade of wide receivers coming up. Let's keep everything in his in his zip code.

He's he's catching. So I love everything about it. But but let me ask you this question. Sure. Who's getting him the football? No, I, I, I totally understand that. I get it. So who's getting him the football?

I don't know. I mean, Cousins is sitting out there. You could flip you could flip draft capital for him. I understand he's late in his career, but, you know, there's there's that option. I guess they're done with Will Levis. You know what I mean?

Like I'm plus you can team him up with a luxurious need when he's not teamed up with Calvin Ridley. You know what I mean? Like, what are we thinking? To me, it's I'm more fascinated.

But you're telling me you're telling me if Gente goes 10 now, Tyler Warren and Loveland could still be on the board. Sure. You know, I mean, like these these things are out there. But I'm just talking about the Tennessee Titans. You want to be relevant. You want to win when obviously wins before relevance. I understand that.

I don't know, man. I mean, I'm I'm I'm glued to Tennessee Titans games either way. But I'm just wondering if the casual fan is just curious to see what Travis Hunter looks like and what is a two way player in the 21st century look like and how is that going to be? And, you know, you want to shut down Nico Collins and outscore CJ Stroud. That's one way to do it.

I understand who's getting in the football. That could be that could be a question for another day. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate for another day.

Yeah, yeah. Another day. That could be a question for another day. It could be a question for Friday, could be a question for Saturday. It could be a question for 2026. If you believe in the coaching staff and you want to build, it could be a question for later in the summer of Kirk Cousins is like screaming, get me out of here. You know, I don't know.

I'm just I'm throwing that in all directions. Todd, you know, he's trying to make that first pick fascinating. You have 10 minutes on the clock.

I don't know. But last one for you, Todd, the player that if you're a GM says, I've got to emerge from the draft with this guy, who's that player for you? A GM is like, give me a name of a guy that I need to come out of this draft with, regardless of need. Who's that player for you, Todd McShea?

I'm absolutely in love with Jadet Barron. I think he's one of those guys that make the 10 other make the 10 other defensive players do their job and let him go get the football, let him disrupt, let him make plays in the run in the past game, line him up and a gap is off the ball linebacker. Line him up at nickel, line him up out wide.

I just. I'm hearing now, like I said, he could be in play at seven for the New York Jets, but then after that, it's like, where is he going to fall to the 20s? I just think he ran a good 40. He's got shorter arms.

He doesn't fit the prototype. We've been saying this about Brian Branch and Petri and Sanders, San Restreo. I just these guys are difference makers. And if everyone else is doing their job, they make huge impact plays. And I think Jadet Barron is going to be a guy that comes in the NFL wherever he's drafted and he's going to be an impact player. And if he doesn't go in that top 10, people are going to say, just like they've said with branch, just like they've said with all these other guys. And they should have gotten earlier.

I think Barron's one of those guys. OK, what are you doing this week for people to follow you during this draft week for the ringer? Hit me with live show. We're competing with you live show. We can have NFL Network on one of the big screens and the McShea show right next to it.

We're doing a live show coming on an hour before the draft will be on the whole first night. The whole second round review show after and then Saturday, we're actually invading Rossello's house here in Manhattan Beach. I'm eating his food. I'm drinking his drink. Yeah, we're taking over. He's got this big man cave down here.

Yeah. So I called him. I texted him. I gave him the town line. I said, we're going to you know, we're going to go do something.

You can never talk about it. You might have to hurt somebody. All I need all I need you to do is say whose car we can take him. And he was all for it. So we're taking over his place Saturday. We're going to do a two hour live show during the third day. That's awesome. And everybody check that out on the ringer and the McShea show podcast.

Todd, you're you're awesome, man. Thanks for the time. Thanks for the two cents. And look for my call next week.

Let's let's chop it up once we know what what actually happens. I love that. All right.

Talk to you soon. That's Todd McShea of the ringer. Check him out right there. He knows that I come out of the smoke on Thursday night. I mean, if we're really going to that was a very Game of Thrones type way to end. I was going to say Radisson by Blair Witch.

Is that chaos is a ladder. Very good. We talked about it on the overreaction Monday pod as well. That's what I'm pounding the table for Travis Hunter as much as I can. It you're doing it and you're like, why not go with him and Kirk Cousins, pair them together. Aaron Rodgers hasn't signed anywhere, right? I don't know if he's going to.

Doesn't he live in Nashville? So I understand that. But that's I mean. What's the difference between Tennessee and Pittsburgh, really about the ability to win a championship before you you you really hang out on the beach? Easier division? Come on, AFC South.

Oh, is it really? Then the NFC then the AFC North? Excuse me, I understand the AFC North is tough, right? The Texans can put it on people, pal. You saw it. Let us ask our neighbors across the way how they enjoyed a taste of the Texans and the wildcard route, I mean, was Herbert wasn't going great for most of last year.

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He will need to abandon the drop kick at the next level. I don't see him being the primary signal caller or communicator, but his plans, things are exceptional. Overall, Boucher plays a lot bigger than his size, should be an immediate impact player on day one.

Wow. Moving on to Johnny Utah, quarterback of the Ohio State University. Utah's a wildcard in this draft, doesn't have a lot of film as average athleticism and an awkward three quarter left handed delivery. His best traits are his toughness and competitiveness.

Yeah. Never gives up on a play. He'll fight for every yard as a runner. He's a little too high on the board for me right now. OK, he's got to go down.

It's got to be that way. I would consider hiring after his playing days are over. You can have a long career associated with the game, either an outstanding coach, a prominent scout or a special agent. OK, next up, Willie Beeman, quarterback, University of Houston, Beeman, a little bit of a late bloomer.

He's originally a seventh round pick bounced around to four different teams. He's settled in and emerged as a dangerous playmaker as both the passer and a runner. He's at his best when the play breaks down, using that athleticism to extend plays while keeping his eyes downfield. His immaturity is an issue, and I believe there is something to the rumors about his poor relationship with his star running back. I think it's important for his coaches to understand how to best use his skill set.

The lack of RPO is a major mistake. He'll excel in the right system and should emerge as the best player in the league. He's my number one player. Wow. Last one.

I'll be honest with you, I'm partial. One of the greatest kick returners I've ever seen from Alabama, Forrest Gump. Gump is a dynamic kick returner for the Crimson Tide. He's made an impact in plays in every game that I've studied. He's the definition of straight line fast, lacks elusiveness and make miss ability, but it doesn't seem to matter.

He gets up to top speed immediately and destroys pursuit angles. I'd like to see him involved in the offense because I believe his speed would play well on jet sweeps, reverses and vertical takeoff routes. The trainers told me that he's had some durability issues as a young kid, but they haven't had any issues at Alabama. The head coach worries about his ability to learn and grasp concepts and even actually referred to him as a stupid SOB when he was talking to me. I wouldn't be ping ponging him back and forth in positions.

He'll be a good soldier, providing his surround him with a good lieutenant and I'd be shot in the butt to draft it again. Wow, Jeremiah, well done. It's why we called you, TJ.

God, I love that man. That's four and a half years old. Is it?

Yeah. November twenty twenty. It stands up, man. The test of time. Perfect button shot in the butt.

The draft, he's ping ponging back and forth, back and forth. Showed that movie to Zan the other day. Forrest Gump. And to a 16 year old, he loved it. There were tons of references that just he didn't get. Yeah, it's a long one to a long movie to keep his attention. It did.

It did. You know, obviously it's it's still an incredible movie. But, you know, he doesn't know the LBJ stuff. Richie Dixie didn't know any of those guys. I mean, he kind of knows about the politics of the Vietnam War.

OK, Watergate. The soundtrack kind of went over his head. Soundtracks may be the best part. I know that for us.

For us. I remember getting the Forrest Gump soundtrack. It was a double CD. Oh, yeah, bro. Big purchase. Oh, yeah.

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All right. I saw something at a baseball game I've never seen before in my entire life. Now, we have seen no hitters broken up in the eighth inning before. We have seen no hitters stand the test of near base hits. And spectacular web gems on defense keep a no hitter alive. We've seen no hitters not completed because pitch count gets too high. Certainly when pitch count gets too high in April. So, hey, manager decides we're going to play the long game here. Wasn't it Clayton Kershaw a couple of years ago?

Perfect game. Last year, Max Freed had a no hitter against the Mets in April, and his pitch count got high and Brian Snitker took him out. And the closer, I think Iglesias gave up the no hitter, the combined no hitter, which you think is not really a no hitter. You know, right.

So we've seen all of it. And Max Freed was on the mound with a high pitch count in the eighth inning yesterday. And he lost the no hitter before he threw a pitch in the eighth inning.

And you're saying, what the hell is that? Because the official score in Steinbrenner Field in Tampa, Florida, decided an error as he ruled it in the sixth inning was really a hit. And came, but we come back from the commercial break, I'm staying tuned to see, are the Yankees going to let him pitch? And Freed's on the mound and Michael Kay is flabbergasted because the official score, who knew by ruling a Paul Goldschmidt error in the sixth inning, had his finger on that chess piece the entire time throughout the entire seventh inning and removed it in the middle of the eighth. And oh, we come back from break and the no hitter is broken up by the official score.

I've never seen anything like that in my entire life. It's like, hey, bro, if it was an error in the sixth, how is it a hit in the eighth when there's a no hitter? Now, the Goldschmidt boot was against this kid, Chandler Simpson, that had come up for for the Rays over the weekend.

He's really speedy. Had he gloved it, it would have been a tough play, probably a hit. But you ruled it an error. And we go through the entire seventh thinking there's a no hit bid.

And now there isn't because you decided against it? OK, on second thought, no, no hitter. Unconscionable. So here's my fix, because I always give you a fix.

It is a pretty big boot. I mean, it should have been a routine play. No, no, this kid Simpson is is lightning fast. I don't think Fried would have gotten over to first. But who knows?

It does not look like Fried would make it. So you could have ruled it a hit at the time. Right. But maybe it's because I'm not ruling that the first hit of the game until an inning and a half later? Is the official score allowed to look at film or anything?

What the hell happened? The Yankee broadcast didn't offer any type of like they've never seen anything like it. Yeah. And K's been to more baseball games than I have. Right.

Here's the fix. Major League Baseball needs to centralize official scoring. You remember the NFL used to have a replay official in each stadium for each team.

It used to be local folks making a decision of national and potentially international importance on a replay. Oh, we go under the hood and the ref would speak to some person upstairs who ordinarily was a peer. I know of a good friend of mine and I'll call him that. I've known him for a long time. He's a good dude. He's a PR man during the week. And then the replay official for the Chargers on the game day.

So it was all different. And the NFL is like, we're going to localize this thing. I mean, I mean, we're going to centralize this thing. And so now all of the replays come out of New York, just like it does in Major League Baseball. So why don't we have whoever is reviewing games whenever there's a buzz or a moment where we're going to not keep the game going.

We're going to review. How about that person is an official score, too. And the official score the game from Major League Baseball. And it's antiquated to just have some local person call official score the game. Because, you know, you know, if that was a Ray throwing a no hitter, they wouldn't have changed that to a hit in the eighth inning.

They would have kept it in error. You know it. We all know it. The same thing would happen in Yankee Stadium, too. Or Fenway Park or Dodger Stadium.

There's always a home field official score thumb on the scale. Enough of that. That was absurd. I've never seen anything like that. Oh, and replay is not perfect either, because Aaron Judge hit a home run and they called that foul with the naked eye. And I will show you in this commercial. I've seen it. I don't know how you rule that foul. Oh, good Lord.

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