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Prices vary based on how you buy. This is the Rich Eisen Show. With the first pick, the Tennessee Titans. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. We knew that they were going to take Cam Ward if they were at number one.

To me, that signal when they respectfully canceled the private work out with Chidor that we're not even open for business with the number one pick to trade out of. Earlier on the show, former NFL General Manager Mike Mayock, Michigan running back Donovan Edwards. Coming up, actor Titus Welliver.

Plus your phone calls, latest news and more. And now it's Rich Eisen. That's right.

I can confirm that by me being right here. The Rich Eisen Show is on the air for our number 3844204rich number to dial. Mike Mayock has now given us 20 picks of a mock. He just, you know, he's just going to mock it out like a hurricane, except hurricanes don't usually last three weeks.

Thankfully, it's just three different three different appearances. He'll finish it next week. He has gone through his first 20 picks and Chidor Sanders has not been selected yet. I don't know what's up, with Chidor, other than the fact that he's going to have a private workout for the Giants one last time, one more time before the Giants choose third overall. And that'll be a big moment, certainly if it goes chalk to start, which the chalk is Cam Ward to the Titans and Travis Hunter to the Browns, leaving the Giants for the choice. Do we take another pass rusher to add to Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeau and the rest of that front seven?

You know, features one of the best defensive tackles in the game, right? Dexter Jackson sit right there up front. Or do they take the kid out of Colorado and say, let's go play quarterback? It seems like that would be the smart move if I'm a general manager. And say leaving Abdul Carter for the Patriots. Hey, if that's who happens to fall to four, then you know, so be it.

I think they'd be very happy to have a player of Abdul's quality. Chris, that just might be God's plan. You know what I mean? I don't want to get in the way of God's plan, but. Oh my God. It happens to fall to four.

You know what I mean? God's plan. It's tax day. We've been asking people to maybe chime in about what taxes them in the sports world.

We gave ours 844204 riches, the number to dial. Before we get to a new NFL draft update, Derek in Missouri wants to chime in, one of our longtime followers of this program. What's up, Derek?

Hey, Rick, how are you, sir? Really quickly before I get to my what's more likely, I want to ask since you're covering your 22nd NFL draft for NFL network, what moment stands out to you as a favorite that you were most honored and pleased to be a part of? Of the NFL draft that I've been covering? Man, there were a lot of moments, I would say. I mean, it was one of the biggest moments in our draft coverage going wow factor, I guess. I mean, Baker Mayfield going number one was a pretty big wow factor because nobody really knew it until it happened. Right. Well, how about your first one? I mean, it was the year when Eli was not wanting to go to San Diego and a trade happened between the Giants and the Chargers.

So, yeah, I know. I just I was in the studio for that one. The first one we ever covered in person was the 06 draft. We were in L.A., so it's a tough one. But, yeah, I mean, sitting there watching Rogers drop to twenty four. It was a big moment for us, too, and NFL Network. And thanks to the call, Derek. Oh, unless you got hold on. Give us your what's more likely there.

What do you got? So what's more likely, Rich, that Sidor Sanders drops outside of the top 10 or you have a team out on the outside looking in, move into the top 10 and a trade with another team in the top 10? Thanks for the call, Derek. I appreciate that. And that kind of leads to the first item of our of our news update. And let's hit it on that front.

Go ahead. And now with a report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment, someone who is not a journalist or newsman by any definition of the word whatsoever. It's Chris Brockman. Now, Don Brokaw's not used to being interrupted right off the top of his his news update. So my apologies to you, Chris Brockman, as the journalist.

Thank you. But we just had a call. Derek from Missouri with a what's more likely will Sidor Sanders drop out of the top 10 or somebody trade into the top 10? Because we haven't seen any trades yet.

Zero point zero nine days before the draft. We haven't seen a single trade involving a first round selection. Nobody's traded up. Nobody's traded down. Nobody's traded in. Nobody's traded out.

None of it. And and that is, I believe, your first item up for bids on the NFL Draft news update. Yeah.

Pick off hour three. That leads to Titus Welliver showing up. This team has the eighth overall pick. And in a couple of years ago, they did make a huge splash trading up to number one from nine. Yeah.

From nine. The Carolina Panthers and their general manager, Dan Morgan, talked about talked about being open for business. You know, I always look at it like you. It only takes one team to fall in love with the player. You know, so, you know, a team could fall in love with a player and decide they want to trade up with us and go get their guy. So, you know, I really don't look at it like that. I just look at it as, you know, a team just may really love a guy.

So we'll just we'll be waiting if somebody wants to come up. OK, Mike, Mike, what are they really thinking? Well, I mean, in terms of what were they really thinking?

There's also kind of what were they really saying? Listen, everybody, Derek Carr might be out for the season. And we know this because we see the reports. We also are in the same division as the Saints.

So we clearly are focused in on the business of some of our rivals and division. And Derek Carr may be out for the season, the Saints draft ninth. And look at the draft order.

Wow. If you think the Saints might be quarterback needy or quarterback drafty, quarterback twitchy and Chidor Sanders is on the board at nine. Well, guess where he'll be on the board? He'll be on the board at eight. And if you love Chidor Sanders that much, guess what?

He might be a New Orleans saint if we don't make a deal. So, hey, Ricky, don't lose my number. You don't want to call nobody else. You don't want to call nobody else.

Send it off in the letter. I just don't know if Dan Morgan is going to do the Steely Dan reference. You pick it up what I'm putting down.

We really have years after that one. Yeah, buddy, you understand what I'm saying? I think that's what Dan Morgan is saying.

If you think the Saints are going to take your guy, there's only one guy to call. Pig? Hey, Saul. I'm the Saul of this thing.

Good job, TJ. I'm off the Steely Dan thing. Oh, I see.

So I just make it to Kid Charlemagne. Susie despises Steely Dan. Why? Whoa. I mean, next time she's sitting in this chair, please ask her.

You just don't understand the logic. I always make notes. You know, when Susie shot out the serious, they have switched Channel 15 is now Yacht Rock Radio.

We are set for the summer. Yacht Rock Radio is outstanding. It's an incredible invention. I would program Yacht Rock Radio is given the choice. No, no, no. I would. I would. You would sit there. I would spin. I would spin records. You could sing it.

I could program it. Excuse me. I'm the only DJ.

He's got a point. No, I'm the only DJ that doesn't play music. I'm sorry, Mike. The only seven hour Friday night music show. This just didn't. Yacht Rock Radio has already reached out to me to do it.

The only time I can do it is during a Chicago White Sox FS nine game that you're going to have to work the faders on. It's respectful and big Fox. Big Fox. Rich Friday night. They call that the way we call this Haiti, but we like the Nuevo. They're still paying off.

It's the FS, the Nuevo. I just I still understand why Susie hates stealing. I will not speak for her.

I just know firsthand. Her extreme dislike. Well, next time she'll be here tomorrow, so I'm gonna play Babylon sisters when she walks in. Well, no, don't do it. That'll put her in a mood, man. Wow.

She's never mad at me. Our analysis of general manager of the Panthers saying he's open for business. That's basically it there in the spot. If the door drops and you're you want him and you don't want the Saints to get him, there's one guy to call. That's the way I took that sound. So what else you got over there?

Onward. Rich every year. One of the cool parts about being at the NFL Draft is the list of prospects who are there. The guys who are there who are gonna be on the stage. The NFL has released the names.

I believe there's 17 of them. Most famously, Travis Hunter will be there. Deon Sanders had previously told us that him and should or we're not gonna be there, but Travis Hunter is.

I think she door is going to be at the crib, as they say. Tyler Jahaad Campbell Will Campbell, Abdul Carter, Jackson Dart, Matthew Golden, Mason Graham, Travis Hunter, Ashton, Gente's on tomorrow show. Will Johnson, Ted McMillan, Jalen, Mill Road, Josh Simmons, Malachi Starks on yesterday. Yesterday, Shamar Stewart, Cam Ward, the projected number one overall going. He's going Cameron Cameron, but he's going to Cameron.

Yeah, I mean, just like you give your government name when it comes in my Cal Williams. Okay, you got this like Newton. Cameron Newton.

Awesome. 17 players once wrecked a fancy cars. He did. You weren't here last week when on his day off, Tom Pellicero couldn't give us gambling advice and we never would ask. I wouldn't ask for it, but I said to him, could he give us like an over under on the amount of times when Goodell gets hugged that he's lifted off the ground now that we know who's going to be there?

You have any insight on one, by the way, that is a bald face lie. What you just said, what, which part you would absolutely ask him for gambling advice. No, he, cause he won't give it to me. So you won't ask it like just blink twice.

Look at me blink twice. We would never ask Tom for the, why would you ask me since I'm the original, I'm the OG NFL networker. I'm not technically asking you for gambling advice. I was in the first, I was in the first meeting where NFL security sent somebody to NFL network. And I believe Del Tufa was basically said your gambling days are officially over everybody. I even said out loud, does that mean betting the Knicks and the over or over to which point the man who currently runs CW sports, Jason Wormser said that was wrong to do in the first place. That was an exchange in the NFL network. Don't gamble meeting from the NFL with like FBI agents, former FBI agent came and told us it's over curtains down. So what you're saying like four, but is this really something that people can wager on is how many times the commissioner gets lifted?

This is just a random question. By the way, you know, he's got like lower back issues. Oh, no hugs this year. No years ago. He was, they were told specifically don't do it. And then the first lineman that came out scooped him up. Yeah.

And then I think he needed traction. So you're saying four. Okay, cool. How many linemen are there and be there? I mentioned Mark Stewart, Abdul Carter.

They might do it as well. Mason Graham. You don't want that. You do not want any piece of, well, here's the thing is that you do the last thing you want to keep doing. And Roger Goodell would know this because I would tell him, uh, you just don't want to keep running into Mason Graham because that's the way you lose a fourth straight time in the Ohio state, Michigan.

It always comes back. This is branding. There's a brand. This man, this man is a wordsmith.

This is the brand. Wow. What else? Uh, Hey, we just sit and wait.

This guy who wastes time saying how is everybody? You're good. You're good.

Everybody's good. The one guy standing in the three foot square radius area behind rich to appear on the screen. If he's good, we read the quotes from, uh, the greatest, the greatest coach in Patriots history, Mike Vable. Uh, let's hear them on a, what sense he has in the top three in the draft. You know, we, we probably know as much as everybody else and what gets reported.

I mean, uh, Tennessee's not calling or Cleveland's not calling. Even though I was a consultant there last year, I haven't heard their, their plans on who they want to pick. So, um, you know, we'll, we'll see as we get closer.

If any of that information is available, uh, we would love to have it. What are we thinking? Like three, four super bowls for variable when it's all said and done. You know what would be a good, good way to avoid the doubt. You don't be the good way to avoid the doubt in the draft. Don't lose a week 18 don't win. We don't win a week 18. Yeah. I'll win. That was the old coach.

He's not there anymore because he won a week. It'll be no doubt. Well, you would be Travis Hunter. Let's just, let me wave the law. Let me wave the wand here and finally get to the brass of the tax. Okay.

And it's T A C K S on tax day, brass tax day. Now, Christopher, you are owning the first overall pick in the draft. And you know, right now, hold on a second. You know, nobody's really interested in, um, trading around right now. Do you think maybe they would be knowing you have no desire to take cam ward? Is the other order somebody would have popped up and said, I'm willing to give, I think the giants would have you think I'm willing to give draft capital. The giants wanted to trade last year to move up and take his camera is camp. Pardon me, Cameron ward. Is he Drake May? I don't think so.

I don't think so, but I think the giants are really stuck at quarterback. So you think that there would have been a trade. We swap, we swap one and three. You're now three.

And now we get either Hunter Abdul and it's all it's good in the world, man. You should have lost week 18. I was saying that if I was the coach, we would have lost. Here's the deal. And I will never get over this. If, if, if the plan was to fire Mayo the whole time, right?

Yeah. Why didn't they fire him on Saturday? They did wait. Hey, uh, you're not going to coach tomorrow. The third string, we don't want to win. Put the third string quarterback and what else are you supposed to do on the bills? Put all the FedEx and UPS guys did not Hoskins.

Can you, can you chime in here just in my ear? I know I'm asking somebody who, people who are listening and viewing the show, which is the only two things you can do right now. Everyone on the bills, trying to lose all the fans.

So they were trying to lose Hoskins. How many bills? They were not FedEx drivers and whatever, right? Mike?

No, he just said no UPS. What does he know? Everything about the Buffalo bills.

The man lives it and breathes it. He's eating wings back there. We're trying to lose. Unless you flat out forfeited the game. There was no way.

They should have done that too. Uh, everyone's got the flu. We can't play tonight. Oh, my mom. We can go home.

The game is canceled due to the flu. Excellent analysis. She's what else? Uh, lastly, uh, Jalen Ramsey and the dolphins have agreed to explore some trade options for the former sewer. What's going on, man? What is going on? He's happy.

Nobody's happy. So somebody's going to pick him up and pay him $25 million. I don't think so. He's pretty good. They're going to have to release him.

Is he still good? Yeah. Nobody's paying $25 million. I don't think so either. I don't think so either.

Give up draft capital before the draft to pay a 31 year old, 25 million bucks. That's a tall order. Maybe somebody will. I don't know. That's what they're like. Probably saying, go look for a trade.

That seems unlike, you know, and go find a spot where you're going to pay state income taxes. I'm sure that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to put them in that position, but they're, they say they're ready to move forward.

I mean, I think I'd agree with you, TJ guy can still play. Absolutely. Yeah.

I don't know if anybody's going to be willing to do that. That is correct. Seems like a lot, by the way, I'm sitting at the rich eyes and show desk here on the rich eyes and show radio network. The desk is furnished by Granger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Granger has the right product for you.

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You saw a clip of Bosch Legacy, the final episodes of the third and final season of this iteration of Bosch on Prime Video and you can watch that obviously right here on Roku when it hits. So 10 years, man. That is unbelievable. If I told you that at the very beginning, you'd have told me what? 10 years. I think we, Connolly asked me on the first day of shooting the pilot, how long do you see yourself playing this character? And I said, I'll play him as long as they'll have me. But I think we always sort of thought the sweet spot or the hopeful spot would be maybe three, possibly four seasons would be great.

So to run for, for 10 seasons has been a gift. Why did you say that at the very beginning? You just knew at the time I'll play you play this as long as they'll have me.

I mean, why would you say that? Yeah, I connected with the character from the moment that I finished reading the pilot script. There was, and I'd only read one of the novels and it had been many, many years before. So it wasn't like I had a depth of knowledge, but it came off, you know, Michael Connolly and Eric Overmyer had written the pilot script together and it was one of those scripts where I read it and I went off, you know, I desperately want to play this, but I've been kicking around long enough to know that, you know, it's probably going to, they're going to ask every star name to come to the table. And I thought I had a very, very small chance of getting that role. So when I, when I got it, I was overjoyed to say the least, but there's just something about a character like that who's kind of, you know, world weary and has so much internalized trauma and he's not an emotionally demonstrative guy.

That's just really, really tasty stuff to play as an actor. And then when this started though, I mean, I think people don't take the, I mean, don't, they don't put two and two together here. I mean, Amazon wasn't really doing television at all. Like you were the first now, now, by the way, now they got Thursday Night Football Games and Bezos is launching his, you know, fiance into space. You know what I mean? Like, so do you have, that's my long winded way of saying, do you at least have Prime now? Do you get this stuff for free?

Well, I'm looking still to go to space, so I guess that's what, you know, I would be, I would propose to Jeff just to get a ride on that. But no, we started, we were kind of, you know, one of the tent pole shows and it was, it was unknown territory. And people are like, why, why is Amazon doing television? I mean, when this first started, I'm not mistaken.

No, you're not mistaken at all. And then they, they went on and started to make films and, and you know, and it just exploded from there. And you know, you have so many great show, you've got, you know, Jack Ryan, you've got Reacher.

I mean, just to name a few. There's been so many shows now that have exploded from it. So it's, it was, it was a great place to be on the ground floor. And part of that was that unlike a lot of the network experiences, and this is not to can, can them, but there was a kind of trust that, that they handed off to us as creative people. They went, you know what you're doing. And so we're going to let you do your thing. And you know, when you've got Michael Connelly and Eric Overmyer and Henrik Bastian and Peter Jan Bruegge, you know, writing and producing a show, smart choice, you know, there's, it wasn't broke and there was no need to fix it.

And so they kind of really allowed us to tell this story and tell it in a time and fashion that normally would not be allowed, right? Too slow for, for network TV. You know, you got to get everything done before the commercial break. What was it like on the final day? Your final shot? You shot out. What was that?

You mean for, for, for this? The last, what were you, yeah, when you were done with it, when you were done with this? That was rough.

That was rough. I mean, I think people sort of held it together, but it was, it felt like it was also just another day. And we kind of went, well, that's a wrap on that season. And, and everyone, you know, thought, well, I'll see you at the wrap party.

And, and because there was no, you know, at that point we didn't, we didn't realize that we weren't going to continue. And we, we introduced the character Renee Ballard, you know, masterfully played by Maggie Q, which they will, will spin off, spin off. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Okay. This is awesome, man. Titus Welliver here on the Rich Eisen show.

One last mention here at the moment, a third and final season of Bosch Legacy airing Thursday this week on, on Prime Video. So many different things I want to ask you about. I mean, I, you were here three years ago, but did you have to read the scripts of Lost over and over again to understand? You know what I did? I made a conscious choice because of the whole NDA and the secrecy surrounding that because so many people, that was kind of the beginning of the spoiler world.

Damn straight. And so I felt like because there was so much responsibility that I didn't want that. So what I would do is I'd say, don't send me the scripts. Everything was, well, it was watermarked with your name. So I would have, what do you mean? What are you talking about? Every single page said Titus Welliver on the script, right? And it came in a packet like they were, like it had fentanyl or something.

And, and so allegedly I didn't, yes, I didn't want that responsibility. So I would have them send one of the production assistants over to my hotel, bring me the packet, which had a Mylar seal and this and that. And, and, you know, like one of those wax stamps from the Marquis de Sade on it. And I would break it open.

I'd say to the guy, you know, have a Coke in the lobby or something, give me 45 minutes. And I would learn the lines and then hand it back because I was terrified. I mean, all it took was, and because the show was so popular, everyone in Oahu and every hotel, they knew where we were staying and everything. I thought, I don't want to get caught up in that. So I just won't do it. So I sort of didn't fly by the seat of my pants. I knew what was going on, but I just didn't want to have the physical possession of that script. And I was telling someone recently because it's come back on, on Netflix and has now had this sort of, you know, revisitation and finding a whole new fan base.

Yes. That when Mark Pellegrino and I who were, we were already friends, if we were in a restaurant together or walking down the street, it was like being in the Beatles for five minutes. We would literally, people would come running up to us on the street and neither one of us were accustomed to that at all. So thank God for P.F. Chang's and their happy hour, right?

We just sort of sequester ourselves. But it was a bit of a mind blower. I mean, it was one of the, the first season of Lost was one of the greatest episodes, seasons of any television show I have ever seen.

It was perfect, letter perfect. And just how the flash forwards and flashbacks and trying to just, the breadcrumbs that would be left and everything was as must see television as I can recall. Yeah. So I totally believe that people are just, you know, coming up to you and saying what they're saying. And, but it was just so difficult to follow.

I'm just wondering what it's like to actually have acted in it, which is why I led with that question. Well, I mean, when I got the call from Elizabeth Sarnoff, who I had done two other shows with her and David Milch, one was Big Apple and she worked also on Deadwood. And she called me up and said, look, I've got, um, you know, do you know the show Lost?

And I went, no, I live under a rock. I said, yes, I love the show. I'm a huge fan of the show. And she said, well, I'm one of the EPs and writers on the show and I've got something for you on the show, but I can't really tell you what it is.

And because I loved her and trusted her, I said, say no more when and where. And then that kind of unfolded. But even in that first scene that I did where the man in black shows up on the beach with Jacob, I didn't know what the hell was going on. I really didn't have any sense of who my character was, where he came from.

And it wasn't revealed until the season after that. And I remember being in the jungle with Nestor Carbonell and he had this line where he says something like, the black smoke took my wife. And my character said, no. And he said, how do you know this? And I said, I am the black smoke. And there was this hush throughout the entire crew. And Nestor looked at me and I kind of thought, what's everybody reacting? So he said, dude, do you realize what you just said?

That's like saying no Luke, I am your father. And I went, oh wow. And then it all connected.

I'm the smoke monster. I've been this computer generated effect that's manifested over all these other seasons. And now here I am and Locke and I are connected. And that's when it really, really hit me. And I'm very, very proud and so privileged to have participated in that show because it was so smart and a great group of people. I mean, Allison Janney played my mom.

I mean, not a bad group, although I never got to, aside from Nestor, I never got to interact with the other characters who were the series regulars. Yeah, man. And you know, you had me at Hello at Deadwood. I mean, you've been on before, you know, and I had you, I have the hat. We have this hat here. We can't zoom in on it because it's every single, you could see the scribbles on it, but we've had every single person who's ever appeared on Deadwood sign this hat when they come into the studio with their favorite curse word. Oh, and we all know what that is. I know.

And we can't show you the top. The last one who was signed, it was Jared McCraney who was here and he signed the very top of the hat and with the worst of the worst possible polysyllabic curse that could be. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's. But you spent as much, how much, you spent tons of time with him, obviously.

Yeah. Well, our characters, because I worked for Swearengen and he was trying to kind of undermine Swearengen and was trying to sort of pull me into the fold and, and Gerald, you know, and I had, I had loved his work over the years. And so, and he's a really interesting guy and he was a lot of fun to work with. And for a guy who's really affable and sweet, I mean, he was really formidable and, and deeply dark on that show. Oh my God, played George Hurst. And then obviously in McShane was no, no ray of sunshine himself.

No, no, no. But that was working with McShane was a masterclass, right? I felt like I was at the RSC or at Juilliard, you know, every single day, just getting to sit in a room with him and not sometimes not even speaking, but just to, to watch him do his thing was an incredible gift. We had Timothy Oliphant on and he told a story about how David Milch, you know, and obviously the scripts were gospel with him, that they changed, they changed that one day because one, a child actor was, the agent was pulling a power play. And, and, and he just knocked on his, he knocked on his, Milch knocked on his, on his door of his trailer and goes, well, here we, he goes, we're going to kill the kid.

Because they, the agent was pulling a power play for the kid and that's how an entire season's worth of plot lines flipped on its head. You were there that day, I imagine. Oh yeah.

I'll tell you an interesting story apropos of that. Years ago I was doing a series, Steven Botchko, David Milch series, Brooklyn South. And it was an ensemble show, but they were two actors. Great show by the way, great show.

I won't reveal their names, but they felt like they were kind of the standouts of, of this ensemble show. And there was a lot of kind of bad talking that was going on and it got back to Milch and Botchko. So one day we're in between setups and the, the cast were all sitting together and this is back when everybody smoked. So we're sitting outside, we're all having cigarettes and Botchko and Milch come out.

Hi, how's everybody doing? Great, great, great. And Milch apropos of nothing says, and this is how David Milch speaks. He says, uh, you know, the thing about a copper show is you got some type disgruntled character within your cast. And you know, the next episode, they're the first cop through the door and they forgot their vest in the trunk of a patrol car. And, and he says, well, everybody have a great day. And he walks away. And so we all knew who the culprits were, but they both turned crimson and got up out of their chairs and went to their trailers. So that's, that's, that's how you, you operate in the world of David Milch, you know, and it's not like he's being punitive, but that's not the kind of game that you play with a guy like David.

Oh really? So now you're saying that you want your, you know, this character to be paid, you know, it's favored nations. Basically everybody's getting a peanut butter sandwich and $10, but you want X. So that kid just ran into the thoroughfare and there was a stampede of, of bowls running down the center of Deadwood. This is the, these are the people who, all of a sudden bowls are right down the thoroughfare man. Oh my God. You got to dive into the gem saloon, you know, but these are the guys who once upon a time told David Caruso on NYPD blue, you know, go to CSI Miami if you want pretty much or wind up there, you know, you get put into jail, right? You can't, you know, Botchko and Milch are, look, they are responsible for my career in television. 100%. I was playing a lot of the same kind of roles and it was until I did NYPD blue in which I played a trauma surgeon in the ER of which I thought when my manager called me, I said, they're never going to cast me in that as that role.

It's not going to happen because of the other work that I do. And I went in and I read for Mark Tinker and David Milch and Botchko and they, and I think I combed my hair and wore a button down shirt and wore my reading glasses because I thought, well, this will take away from, you know, cause I thought I was going to read for a cop initially. Do the reading. It went well. And they all said, great, great, great. And David Milch on the spot said, would you like to play this character? And I said, yes, very much. And he said, well, the part is yours. And I said, really? And he said, why would I say that less?

It wasn't true. I went, okay, so we'll see on set. And just as I was leaving, I had my hand on the door knob.

David shouted out, don't forget to call your mom and dad. So that speaks to the fabric of his character. I then went on, you know, once you got into the Botchko Milch mafia, that was it. And it was a, and it was a family.

And you know, I can't think of anyone. And it wasn't until I ended up, you know, in the land of Bosch working with Eric Overmyer, who had also been a writer on Hill Street Blues and had great crazy Milch stories. Everybody does.

But yeah, very much so. I owe my career into it because then it turned the tide. Suddenly I wasn't relegated to just playing tough guy characters all the time.

I got to be dads and lawyers and, and you know, polysyllabic characters, not, not just guys who talk like, you know, Han Solo. Did you get a good story from the town? Anything from that, that, that, that movie, anything from your time on that movie? That whole experience was, was great.

First of all, you know, it was a remarkable cast that they'd put together. And it was my second film with Ben, cause I had done Gone Baby Gone. And then you had Argo after that too. And then Argo and then did a little thing and lived by night, but I was shooting Bosch.

So my availability was very limited. So I went in and that, that character kind of ended up in a montage sequence, but Ben pound for pound is probably, you know, one of the great directors of all time. I mean, if, if, when I saw the first cut of Gone Baby Gone, um, I was astounded by what I saw. I knew he was, he was a gifted writer and a director when I was doing the film.

And John Toll was a cinematographer and of course that cast, right? And you've got Morgan Freeman and Ed Harris and Amy Madigan and Michelle Monahan, Casey Affleck, John Ashton, if I'm missing anybody, but, um, the, the, the wildest thing was the big shootout at, at, at Fenway and, and being a Sox fan, um, and getting access because they had, they had not done well that year. And so the season was over, but to be able to go through Fenway into places where people, you know, the public are not, I went through the whole, the whole back. I, I went everywhere in there and, and got to go out and, and put my hand on the field. It, it was, it was an incredible experience. Um, and that was, that sequence took about a week to shoot and we shot so many rounds that they were, they ran out of ammunition. It was like doing a Michael Bay movie, right?

You know, we're out of ammunition. Well, like, I don't care where you get it, but I want it now, you know, and all of a sudden, you know, they were like air dropping crates of, uh, you know, blanks into Fenway park. So you're, you're in between, you know, scenes, you're shooting, shooting scenes and you're behind the monster.

Is that what you're saying? Like you're going behind the green monster, you're going inside your, did you see, well, it was one of those kind of slightly guided tours. It wasn't like they just opened the doors and said, here's the keys. Um, and we actually did our first, we did the first table read once the cast was assembled, was in one of the, I believe it was the, the CEOs or, or, or owner's box.

We did the first table read in the box at Fenway park, which was really cool of the film. Yeah. The whole cast is together. Ham's there. You were there. Everybody's there. Blake lively.

Um, Rebecca hall. Um, you know, Ben Renner, the whole, the whole gang, Pete possibly and the fields behind you, like the fields behind us. Whoa. And even at that point they were aware that we were shooting it. So they already had to set up barricades to block off, to keep the paparazzi back. And they were, and they were shaking. They followed us around TMZ. I mean, you know, um, they were everywhere. Tom cruise was shooting a thing with, um, like, uh, Cameron Diaz at the same time, but they would just follow us around.

I'd be walking down Newberry street to go to the comic book store with my kids. And, and, and these guys would jump out with the cameras and started asking me questions. And you know, for me, I don't care, but when I'm with my kids, you know, I never, I never pulled a Sean Penn. Nobody got hurt, but there were a couple of moments where, and my kids who were, you know, they were little, so they thought it was kind of cool. Like, Oh, we're on TV.

And I went, yeah, but you don't want to talk to these guys. Um, but that was a, that was a lot of fun to shoot that film at Fenway park. You're a Red Sox fan. I'm wondering if, you know, Affleck wrote the movie just specifically to get Fenway park in there. Probably flex and you go, you know, you go anywhere. Cause I had done gone baby gone and that film and come out and I looked very different and it was a completely different dialect. Yeah.

But it's just like when you shoot something in New York, you know, they're, they're, they're proprietary, you know, I mean, and I'd have guys shouting at me, you know, from, from cars like Lionel, what are you doing? Doing a whole different movie, but you know, Oh man, I could go on and on. Um, come back anytime, brother, uh, Bosch's legacy, the final episodes of the third and final season airing Thursday this week on prime video, which of course means you could see it right here on the Roku portal. Um, love having you. Thanks for having me, man. It's always a pleasure. Thank you. Right back at you at Titus Welliver official on Instagram as well.

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Our members are the mission insured by NCUA. Where is Don Draper right now? Do you think? Uh, six feet under. Do you think so easily?

Come on. He'd be in his eighties and there ain't no way that guy's getting to his eighties without a massive lifestyle shift, uh, which maybe he did at the end, at the end of the show. But I don't think that stuck. I don't think that Zen moment of understanding of anything really stuck. It's uh, that, that leopard is not changing his spots.

Yeah. Cause that gave you the impression that maybe he was about to maybe ashram at the very end there. He was more about, he just had a really good idea for a commercial. And so you, that he did come up with one of the, I thought that was a neat ending that I did too. I thought it was very poetic and a very nice way to end the show and also very cryptic, which, which also sort of serves, uh, you know, sticks, sticks in the realm of the show's vocabulary anyway. So it was very cool.

I liked it and I love being that guy for as long as I got to do it. Right. I mean, cause it was born out of the Sopranos era.

Yes. And it was a very Sopranos in a way type and type hero in a situation. And also, yeah, very kind of what's the, what does it all mean? Kind of situation. And that's great.

It's nice to be able to talk about a, uh, a show that you like and not have it sort of be spoonfed to you. Well, I would just, I'm sad to hear that you don't think Don Draper could have somehow had some sort of an epiphany gotten his act together, gotten off the sauce. I don't know. Lived into his eighties. I don't know. I hope so. And look, I, again, I root for the best in everyone, but I, I don't know about this guy. He was pretty damaged.

Right. And when you shot the town, uh, in that film, uh, Fenway pack being part of the, the denouement of that film. The great thing about shooting in Boston and playing a cop is that they, they were, they all hated me, not because I wasn't from Boston, but because I played a cop and Ben was the robber. So they were mad because I was anti Ben law enforcement. They're like, yeah, we don't like you anyway.

Ben's our guy. And then that was the cross you had to bear when you're shooting that. But w were you, were you around Fenway park for that? Red Sox had like a 15 day road trip. So we had to get all of our shooting done in those two weeks and we hoped it didn't rain or, you know, whatever.

It was the Northeast in the fall. Anything could have happened. Right. Uh, but we had pretty much full access to Fenway park, which was awesome. We also got to shoot like 250,000 rounds of fake ammunition, not one phone call from any locals worried by the way, that's probably fine.

Like really? Cause I'm pretty sure that's a, that's an awful lot of ordinance going on. Wasn't there like a YouTube video of people just strolling around Boylston street while you're shooting that thing and it was just, and no one's batting an eyelash. It was crazy. And now we heard that they ran out of ammunition. That's amazing. I mean that, that does make sense when you think about it.

He just basically was saying a quarter of a million rounds of ordinance was going off because it was a wild scene. Yeah, for sure. I'm gonna have to go and watch it. Now. We just found out the first table read was in, was in, I guess, John Henry or, or Tom Werner's box. So that would have been, that movie came out in 2010. So that would have been, when were they were filming that? Oh, eight Oh nine, right after one of your Renaissance championships. So seven was a title Oh eight lost in the ALCS to the race. Titus just said it was a, as a down season, maybe it was Oh nine. They were, she was Oh nine.

They were a second place lost in the division round. So maybe that was a year. What a story back on the rich eyes and show everybody fun stuff right there. Love it.

So cool. So it looks like Tyron Smith is retiring. You see that he's going to retire as a cowboy. Well, I mean, that makes sense. I'm just glad he, he decided to sign with the jets for one year.

Yeah. He tried to bring some glory to you guys. Couldn't even do it. I mean, I got to reach out to some NFL historian, which franchise has the most hall of fame players finish out their careers with them after leaving the team that they had a hall of fame career with it. Did it, did the jets lead that department?

You got off the top of your dough. Farve Rogers, but they didn't finish with the jet. Well, okay. Or, or spent time with the jets.

Yeah. At the end, at the end of their, towards the end of the career. And Tyron Smith isn't finishing with the jets. He's signing a day with the Cowboys.

He can retire with the Cowboys. Yeah, but I still see what you're saying. Yeah. So, but I'm glad the jets at least took a run at him.

Maybe the Cowboys, remember the Cowboys got grief for letting him go. That's true. So I guess let's be fair about it.

Right. Let's be fair about it. He's going to the hall of fame.

It's great. Him and Zach Martin, hopefully going in in the same class. That's going to be amazing. And had Travis Frederick not, you know, had that fortunate disease. I feel like he would be joining them.

He had a great line for all of us. That's why the Cowboys just like, you know, stay stick and pick. I just think this time around, you got to take their choices and send them to Cleveland, give them the Godfather offer.

Eight time pro bowler, Tyron Smith, first team out, twice. By the way, there's, there's the, the, the, uh, the AI, Jerry, Jerry sitting on his pile of money without waiting to pay. There you go.

That's the AI Jerry right there. But seriously, I mean, what if you're Cleveland, you take all that draft capital from Dallas, you move down to 12 and you get your door anyway. I don't think there's no way. There's no way.

Why is there no way? Because you get all that draft capital. You just don't get Travis on. You let it, you let him go to Dallas. He's going before you got draft capital on next year's draft to get your quarterback.

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