Cam New-Town

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Tune into The Drive weekday afternoons three to seven on Sports Hub Triad. Once the new league year begins next month, I think the Carolina Panthers are gonna trade Cam Newton in order to rebuild and bring in more draft capital. That's what I took away from David Tepper saying to PSL owners yesterday that in order to do the rebuild the right way, he needs to tear things down a little bit. There were cryptic Instagram posts from Cam as well.

It doesn't seem like that relationship is going well right now. Cam, he's made it known publicly he wants to return to the Panthers but the moment Luke Keakley retired and Carolina decided to part ways with Greg Olsen, the writing's on the wall. Carolina's in rebuilding mode. So rather than spend more time talking about the hypothetical of Cam being traded, how about we go the next step and figure out where Cam Newton could be traded to because I think there are three teams that are leaders in the clubhouse right now to bring in Newton.

I think they would make a lot of sense for the former MVP. It's a segment we're gonna call Cam Newtown. It's starting to look like the Carolina Panthers are moving on from Cam Newton. Noted. Moving on. Josh has the most likely places he will go next.

Where should we start? This is Cam Newtown. First team Indianapolis Colts. They are one move away I think from being a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

Very well-run organization. Built the offensive line well. Didn't really have much time to react to the news of their franchise quarterback surprisingly retiring before the start of the year. So now that they've had time to evaluate what's next while seeing the Tennessee Titans in their division go to the AFC championship game, while seeing a poorly run organization with Houston, Gamble trading up and grabbing a quarterback a few years ago into Sean Watson and winning the division as a result, I think they're gonna roll the dice a little bit here. Indianapolis makes so much sense because Cam would be well protected. It seems that foot is recovering. The shoulder, it looked good in training camp.

We just didn't get to see a lot of it in the first two games. Also Indianapolis has two second round picks they potentially could send to the Panthers. Carolina would be down for it because he goes to a different conference. They wouldn't run into him as often and they get draft capital to rebuild. So Indianapolis is the first team for Cam Newtown. Secondly, the Los Angeles Chargers. It's Hollywood baby!

They need somebody to put on a poster. Who would it be right now? Austin Eckler? They still need to figure out what's going on with Melvin Gordon. Antonio Gates recently retiring. Philip Rivers, they just parted ways with him. Who's the star player for this organization?

Is it Greensboro's own Keenan Allen? Cam Newton would be a big enough star don't you think? So if you're trying to create some buzz in the City of Angels, who better to do it than Cam Newton? Maybe Tom Brady?

Well he's not going to Los Angeles. I think he's gonna resign with the Patriots. Once that domino falls, LA is gonna see that Cam, after Brady, is the most polarizing quarterback in the league. He's gonna generate interest on and off the field. Cam probably would be happy with it too, a new lifestyle in the City of Angels. The Chargers make a lot of sense here because they need to make a splash. They need to create some buzz and Cam Newton's one of the few quarterbacks who does that with his personality, with his flair, with his style of play. The Chargers own the number 37 pick. I think that would be good enough to get Cam Newton away from the Panthers. Lastly, this one you might think I'm bunkers on.

You might think I'm crazy. The Miami Dolphins. Cam Newton is Miami. The outfits, the cigars, the flair, yet still pretty laid-back. It fits perfectly into the Miami lifestyle.

That's where he works out, like he did with Antonio Brown during the offseason, like many players. Miami, they're a team that's not as far as you think. Won three of their last five games, got a good coach.

Three of those games were one against playoff teams, a one-point loss, and another one of those five. They have two first-round picks. Now they're not gonna trade the number five pick to the Panthers, but if the draft order follows through the way that Mel Kiper mocked it earlier in the week, Tua Taha Valoa going number three to the Detroit Lions, I don't think the Dolphins are gonna reach at five or Justin Herbert. I think they're gonna draft either that great corner, they're gonna take an offensive lineman, and then maybe they might trade the 26 pick or even their second-round pick to bring in Cam Newton. What quarterback after Tua and Burrow do you think has a higher upside than Cam Newton does? He's only 30 years old right now, people.

He's a former MVP winner. It would get people excited. You got plenty of picks in Miami, so they can roll the dice a little bit. I think the Miami Dolphins would be a fit if they want to pull the trigger there. So those are the three teams I think Cam Newton could be traded to. Your thoughts are welcome on Twitter at sportshubtriad. Where would you expect Cam Newton to be traded to if the Panthers are moving on from him?

336-777-1600 is the phone number. UNC Greensboro is running through the SoCon right now. The only team better in that league is East Tennessee State, the head coach of the Spartans, Wes Miller, former Tar Heel as well, gonna join us in 10 minutes.

There are two teams that many people are rumoring being interested in Cam, being a fit for Cam that I just don't understand. First off, the Chicago Bears. If you're in the coaching profession, if that's the life you've chosen and you've had success in it, so much success that you ended up at the top level of football coaching. You're in the NFL. Odds are you feel like you can fix people.

You can coach people, develop them to be something people say they can't. Everyone's saying Mitchell Trubisky is done. This guy, he's a bust. The Bears should move off of him. I think there would be a lot of self-reflecting having to happen for Chicago to completely give up on Trubisky this quickly. There would have to be an admission that they were wrong, not only drafting him number two, but trading up in order to do so with the 49ers up a spot, giving up draft capital to do so. I don't see that happening, especially if it meant the alternative is somebody who hasn't really played the last two years because of injuries.

The last half of the year he was banged up with the shoulder in 2018-2019 only playing the first two games that he was injured in those two. I don't think they would go for that alternative. It isn't to say they wouldn't move off of Trubisky completely and admit they were wrong. I don't think they would do that if the end result is Cam Newton. The other one's this one.

This was ridiculous to me. Tampa Bay? You honestly believe Cam Newton won an MVP for the Carolina Panthers in 2015, took him to a Super Bowl, one of the more beloved players the Panthers have had, easily one of the most talented. You honestly believe Carolina's gonna trade him to somebody who's gonna be playing the Panthers twice a year? No chance that happens.

No chance. Also, Tampa Bay was the last team Carolina played or Cam Newton played last season. It might have been his last game as a Carolina Panther. Nobody knows Cam as well as Tampa Bay does. It's kind of why Carolina had an advantage of bringing in Gerald McCoy.

They saw how great he was for all those years and they wanted him to be a part of it. I feel like we would have seen something already. Like, you can't inquire about Cam yet publicly because that would be tampering, but I feel like there would be more smoke there, more of an interest. Tampa Bay knowing what Cam is, seeing him more than anybody else or just as much as Atlanta and New Orleans I should say, but they have a needed quarterback. They've seen a lot of Cam and there's not much smoke there right now. I'm not hearing a lot. Tampa Bay connected with Cam and I don't think the Panthers would have much interest in trading Cam in the division.

So there you have it. Cam Newtown, Colts, Chargers, Dolphins. The Bears don't make much sense. Tampa doesn't make much sense to me either. How does UNC Greensboro win against Wofford, really good Wofford team, probably not as good as they've been in past years but still a really good program, and drop two spots in the net?

They go from 58 to 60 as they're still a dream of 2-bid SoCon, alive today. The head coach of the UNCG Spartans, Wes Miller, who was just profiled by Brian Hamilton, national rider for the athletic earlier in the week, they're getting set for VMI tomorrow. Coach Miller's gonna join the show next on The Drive. We've talked about this quite a bit but the Southern Conference has been a lot of fun this year with Furman being very good, East Tennessee State, and of course UNC Greensboro. The Spartans, they're gonna be on the road facing VMI tomorrow. The Keydets going up against the Spartans and the head coach of UNCG Wes Miller's kind enough to join us on the team butts on their way to Virginia. But man, what a great game it was the other night at the Coliseum and went to overtime. The Spartans, they beat Wofford in a very close game.

Furman's gonna be coming to town next Wednesday. And coach, one thing we've learned about you with our visits over the years is that you're never really satisfied, but after an OT win against Wofford the way you wanted the other night, do you allow yourself at least a moment to enjoy the present of coaching a team that right now is 22-6? Yeah, you know, we're in the middle of the grind, as you said, so we're not gonna spend a lot of time celebrating or thinking about what we've done.

That's for after the year, the team banquet and things of that nature. But one thing we always say is we're gonna enjoy every win until midnight, you know, and so that was a big win against Wofford in overtime. We made some plays late to get back in the game and we took some time in the locker room with the team afterwards, told them to enjoy it, but when it hits midnight you're on to the next day and trying to figure how to get better to prepare for the next one. That's just kind of the nature of college basketball coming down the stretch.

How strictly do you enforce that, though, where you're like, if you even start to think about VMI, does your wife or somebody check you and say, nah, let's let's let you, you got to wait till midnight or even the other way around where you're maybe enjoying it 12-0-1? Well, as a coach I think you're kind of always thinking about the next game, right, you know, even in those moments right after the game. But no, I mean, listen, like a lot of people, we work hard and, you know, put a lot of time and effort into it, and I think one thing that we have tried to do is figure out how to at least enjoy some good moments because we work hard to try to have those moments.

So after the game, you know, we want our players to enjoy it for a little bit. We go out as a staff and get a bite to eat and that kind of thing, so we do try to take some time enjoy it a little bit, but always as a coach in the back of your mind at all times it's what's coming next. How long until your coach at career did you stop losing your voice during games? Did I stop losing my voice?

Yeah. Oh man, you know, the first two or three weeks I was a head coach I kept losing my voice every couple days, and then I heard about some kind of ginger root and Werther's and how I was able to fix it. Like ginger root and hot water and Werther's and was able to fix that problem, and usually once a year we start practice I lose it for a couple days and, you know, bring out the old remedy, but it gets better every year.

Coming from a radio guy, hot tea and honey, that usually does the trick as well. Wes Miller, UNCG head basketball coach joining us. I read the story that Brian Hamilton did in the athletic on you earlier this week.

The headline, as he builds UNCG into a contender, Wes Miller wastes no time. Is it true you had to invest in improving the acoustics of a practice gym because you were losing your voice? No, that's not necessarily all true. We did realize in our practice facility it's like a big box, and acoustically that's apparently like the worst type of acoustical setup for sound to carry, right? Everything just bounces off the walls, and so trying to teach was, it wasn't about my voice, it was trying to teach, you know, balls are bouncing and kids are practicing, and you'd be trying to coach them, and unless they were like five feet away from you and directly in front of you they couldn't make out what you were saying or what anybody else was saying, and so it had nothing to do with losing voices. It had all to do with trying to create an environment we could teach and communicate better. One quote did stand out to me in the story, Wes, where you said from your early days at UNCG, quote, I'm sitting there wondering, am I about to lose my job? And a lot of people probably would think that, end quote.

What did that low point look like? Because there are people listening to this right now, seeing how great your team has been the last few years, who can't fathom you being a young coach, there was a point where UNCG might have been thinking otherwise. Yeah, you know, we we were struck, you know, obviously in college athletics there's a bottom line, right? I mean, you know, winning and losing is one of the ways that we're kind of held to a standard of whether we should have our jobs or not have our jobs, and we all know that. We get into this profession, and those first handful of years, I was the head coach at UNCG, you know, we were losing a lot more. We were winning, so we weren't getting the results that we wanted on the floor. I knew people were aware of that, and we were having trouble, you know, keeping, you know, good players in our program, good people in our program. There was so much turnover with transfers and guys going pro early that shouldn't have done that, you know, so it was, there were some really low moments, but like we tell our kids all the time when we're coaching them, you know, sometimes the most adverse situations and the most difficult things you go through, you know, it's what helps create some of the greatest things that happen to you moving forward because of what you learn in those moments, what you find out about yourself and each other, and so I think that's, you know, those moments were really tough at the time, but I think I value those moments now more than any others because it helped us kind of figure out who we are and what we value here and what our identity is, and then years later, we were able to find some relative success because of some of the things that we learned in those tough years, so I value that time a lot looking back at it now. What do you think about the NCAA evaluating the one-time transfer rule?

You know, I'd like to think I can understand both sides of it, right? I mean, obviously gives student athletes, you know, more autonomy to make decisions for what's better for them in their lives. I support that. I mean, I'm all about student-athlete well-being. I was a student-athlete myself. I also think it's a slippery slope.

It's not just that simple. I think if we take away any penalty of transferring, there's going to be so much transferring going on, you could lose some of the things that make college basketball really special, you know, the connection that the fans have with the players over, you know, three and four years, but I don't think you'll have it. It'll stay places for a long time, you know, and also I think one of the great things about growing up, and that's what ultimately student-athletes are in college, you know, they're in those formal years that, you know, you grow up, I grew up a lot in that time in my life, and our kids, I think, in our program are growing up in this time. I think sometimes it's important to deal with things not going your way, you know, not the way that you envision them, and figure out how to in that environment make it work and work through it. I think that's a big part of growing up, and I think when you take away any penalty, you know, you take away some of those things that, you know, you learn from when you go through some tough moments as a college player.

So I think there's two sides of it. I think something's going to be done. I hope the NCAA gets it right, and something that, you know, keeps the fabric of what we try to do in college athletics, but also, you know, gives kids some autonomy and inability to have better well-being in terms of what they're trying to do year to year. It's UNCG head basketball coach Wes Miller with us here on Sports Hub Triad. The Spartans playing VMI tomorrow, their next home game.

It's a huge one. Next Wednesday night against Furman, seven o'clock tip-off there. I was at Duke NC State the other night, and Kevin Keats was talking about one of the frustrations he's had with the new net rankings. This is the second year it's been installed, and he says that it's created an environment where we look at our case and it's made it pretty clear we got to beat either FSU or Duke in order to have a shot here, and the quad one win has kind of cut things off the way the committee evaluates things. It might limit some teams cases year to year. For you guys, you beat Wofford the other night, and your net actually drops from 58 to 60, and Wofford, as we've discussed before, it's a very good program even though they weren't as good this year as they were last year when they were dominant with Mike Young.

Has the net made things more clear for you or more frustrating? You know, probably neither, because we don't spend any time looking at it. I think I understand, you know, Kevin's argument, and I think when you're at NC State, you know, I think you have to be paying attention to stuff like that or somewhere like it. Listen, we're in a league that hasn't had two bids in the modern history of college basketball, so we don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. We think about trying to win the next game and put ourselves in the best position to win the regular season, which puts you in the best position from a seeding standpoint to win the conference tournament, which is the only guarantee we have to get into the NCAA tournament. Now, certainly we hope that at the end of it, whatever the rankings and numbers are, give us the best chance to get in this and at-large if those things don't happen, and last year we looked up and we were the last team out, so maybe we should pay a little more attention, but I just don't think in the non-BCS leagues, thinking about that stuff day to day is as important, and as you said, I mean, we beat a great team at home here a couple nights ago, and I didn't even know that, but we go down, you know, that's why I don't pay any attention to it.

First of all, I have no control, and second of all, if we're thinking about that kind of stuff, we're not thinking about what's most important, and that's getting better today. Before we let you go, what's the latest update you could bring us on the group text? How's morale on the group text with former Tar Heel players? Oh man, listen, I think what's neat about the Carolina family is everybody cares so much and everybody's supportive, and listen, I think everybody knows how difficult the years have been down there in Chapel Hill. All the former guys care, and all of them are really supportive of the current players in the program, so obviously people want to win more, and that's just the nature of it, but everybody's really, really supportive. My brother's on the team, and then obviously I'm really close with the entire coaching staff, so I feel for those guys, but if anything I know about Carolina and Coach Williams is right, they're gonna keep coming every day into the gym with the same type of purpose and the same type of drive to get better, and they're gonna do some things here down the stretch. I got a pretty good feeling about that.

But explain this one to me. What kind of nerves, since it's out of your control, is going through your body when you watch your brother step to the free-throw line in a 91-91 tie on his way to putting North Carolina in the lead against Duke? I almost fell off my couch. He checked in, and I literally almost fell off my couch when he checked in the game, and then he gets fouled going up for the dunk, and it was thrilling. I'm so proud of him. He's worked incredibly hard, not just on his game but on his body, to try to put himself in a position to be able to compete, you know, and just get in the game and help his team, and to see him be able to do that in the biggest moment, you know, against one of the greatest teams and one of the greatest robberies, I was really proud of that. So even though they're having a tough year, I'm really proud of the job he's doing down there.

Well, go get a win tomorrow. Is VMI still running it up and down the court, getting shots up every 10 seconds? They still doing that? No, different coach now.

That guy's actually at the Citadel, Dugar Baucom, who did that at VMI, so we still play against that in our league, but Dan Earle runs a lot of Princeton offense in a match zone, so it's probably the opposite of what it was years ago, but man, they're difficult to play against, and it's a difficult place to play, so that's what our minds are on right now. Well, go get a win tomorrow, and we look forward to what's going to be a big week next week as well. You're the best, Wes. Thanks for doing this.

Hey, thanks for having me. That's Wes Miller, the head coach of UNC Greensboro, spending a little bit of time with us here on a Friday drive. We got ticket to the house to do in 10 minutes, but Wilder Fury is tomorrow. Aaron has been checked out on the show the last 30 minutes. He's been in his laptop.

He's been scribbling on a piece of paper. One of the best things Aaron does on this show, something we don't nearly do enough, he previews and recaps sporting events via slam poetry. It's something we've figured out is a skill of Aaron's, and as an assistant producer on this show, it's something that we feel like gives him a bit of a voice, and Aaron is also a big-time boxing snob.

Like, he's trying to angle every opportunity to get fight game into the show, and it's Wilder Fury tomorrow, one of the bigger fights I can remember in a while. So, Aaron, do you need to turn down the lights in there in order to have artistic integrity? Yeah, you're somebody who, even though it's not good for radio and it does nothing for the audience because they can't see if the lights are on or off, you want to maintain artistic integrity, so Robert just turned down the lights at the control room. Very important to me. Are you ready to do this? I am.

All right. Call this one the age-old fight. Saturday night at the MGM, it's a heavyweight thing as the bronze bomber goes blow for blow with the Gypsy King. Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury both come in with no signs of worry, hoping to play some funky music while cherry. Personal insults being flung around makes me sure somebody is in for a prime time beat down.

This time somebody's oh it's got to go, so lace them up, put on a show. The winner stands alone upon the heavyweight plateau. Dynamite in the bomber's right hand. Fury sure is one hell of a boxing man. The age-old matchup they say styles make fights. It's boxer versus puncher.

It's plain as black and white. Who will stand as the victor, the bomber, or the king as they throw down on Saturday. So who's gonna win the fight? I like Tyson Fury.

I like Tyson Fury by decision. I have a gut feeling it's Wilder. Just a gut feeling even though the idea of Fury getting knocked out it just seems completely unplausible.

He won't. I don't think he gets knocked out. Wait, Fury? Oh well that's what I'm saying the idea that Fury gets knocked out it's just completely implausible. I don't know man. Deontay's got different kind of power. I know but like that guy just he looks like he looks like the Hulk.

Tyson Fury. So there you have it. Here comes the life of the party. The drive. Corrupting the minds and the hearts of our children. With Josh Grab. Program for low expectations.

On Sports Hub Triad. I've always been fascinated with CBA discussion but I found in talking about it on the radio there are a lot of political aspects to it. A lot of minutia that's difficult to explain.

I don't think this is the best format to get into all the little intricacies. Mostly people care about storylines. They care about quarterbacks. They care about trades.

They care about transactions. Yada yada yada. But Jonathan Jones is somebody who's covered this very well and does he's one of the best the NFL has for CBS Sports and he's kind enough to join us here.

He's on Twitter at Jay Jones 9. So JJ let's start with this with the CBA ongoing CBA discussion in this proposal. The owners they want a 17th regular season game and the players it seems has a little bit of leverage if they're gonna give on that issue to maybe get something else that they want. That's how negotiations work in this. What do you think the most important issue to the players is?

Money. The revenue split. I mean you know you I looked at the proposed CBA bullet points that the NFL Players Association put out last night about what this proposed deal is. The one that the owners have voted to ratify and of course the owners are rushing to do this and when one side is very eager to get a deal done you especially decide that has eternal leverage when you're talking about 32 billionaires.

I would always caution against accepting that right away. So when you say what's the number one thing it really is in my opinion revenue split. So for the past several years NFL players if there's a hundred percent of the revenue pie the players have gotten somewhere around 47%. In this proposal they have picked up to 48% and if they allow for a 17th regular season game that will then go to 48.5%. All that stuff sounds fine well and dandy but if you're a player you're like hey I'm the one that's out there you know playing the game and you look at the NBA and that is right at a 49 to 50% revenue split even though the players used to have as much as 57% about a decade plus ago and so I think that that's where the players should really focus in on because a couple of things the owners are not going to give on they're not giving it on the franchise tag they're not giving in on the length of rookie deals and so these players can still and will still enter into the NFL at 22 or so years old and NFL teams can hold their rights for roughly six or so years really in the thick of their prime if they so wish and I think we're seeing that a little bit with the Cowboys and Dak Prescott where Dak Prescott at no point in his career has ever been paid fair market value for his talents and this year probably still will not and so where you understand the owners will not budge there okay where can you get them to budge and as this salary cap as these revenues are going to rise over the years especially after the 2022 season when you have the TV contracts renegotiated we're gonna see a huge spike in that and it'd be great for the players if you add one week of games to get more than a half of a percent on the revenue split why do you believe the owners want this pushed through so quickly well for any number of reasons I think that everyone wants to understand what the deal is before they head to Indianapolis early next week at the NFL scouting combine when basically all of the deals are going to be done or begin being done for the start of the new league year on March 18th of 2020 but not not just that the NFL ratings are really high right now everyone's feeling really good about the NFL you have any number of faces of the NFL you have parity across the league a small market team winning the Super Bowl and the ratings are up after that 2016 dip that we can get into why are those ratings dipped and all that stuff but I can tell you for a fact that the NFL and the owners and the teams all believe that one of the main reasons was it was an election year that was 2016 here we are four years later you've seen all the ads on television it's about to happen again and folks are bracing for those ratings to go down so right now the NFL wants to get this locked in while they have a sterling sparkling product before we get into the season into the thick of the season and people are tuning in to the Monday night presidential debate in September and October rather than NFL football before you became a senior NFL reporter for CBS Sports Jonathan Jones with us by the way you were covering the Carolina Panthers for the Charlotte Observer and you got to know Greg Olsen pretty well Cam Newton as well and you still live in the city of Charlotte when the Panthers parted ways with Greg they seemed to do so amicably if the Panthers decide to trade cam considering how much he says he wants to return to Charlotte do you anticipate cam taking it well or will there be a relationship severed there the relationship if that were to happen I'm not saying that it is or isn't there's a lot of smoke and gray around that entire situation but if it were to happen I do not think it would be happy-go-lucky everyone's pleased and thrilled about it moving forward certainly on campsite and that is not a sour grape thing I just believe that everything that we have heard can say is that he wants to be with the Carolina Panthers can't see himself anywhere else if they do trade him and he's also said and I was standing right there beside him and reported it back in December you they have to trade me or cut me I'm under contract I can't go anywhere and so he's put it all on them as well he should but what wouldn't feel great if your camera if you're anyone who has done as much for the team the franchise the city as he has done is the fact of the matter is this team is not going to get to first round picks for him if they trade him or one first round pick may not even get a second round pick we're talking about a third or a fourth round pick and that probably weighs on someone psyche a little bit like you know they couldn't even get more from me than this like that's what I am worth out there and so there's that there's obviously he believes that he belongs he feels that he is doing what he can't do in order to remain with the team yes injuries do happen they can't be his fault he can't be held accountable etc etc so if that does happen and if I am comparing that hypothetical which is a very real hypothetical to a Greg Olsen parting of ways when you have a mid 30s tight end who let's be honest have office step and the team does not feel that he is worse the number that he would command out on the open market then no I do not find it to I do not believe that it will be as amicable as the Greg Olsen situation what are you hearing cams value is like what type of draft value yeah I mean it'd be a mid round pick I mean again I think I think the ceiling would be a third round pick just because of the uncertainty around him because that you know he's gonna be age 31 in 2020 and so he's had the foot he's had the ankle he's had the ribs he's had the back he's had a couple concussions how's he gonna hold up the shoulder is a huge huge deal that while he says everything's fine you know we haven't seen that shoulder go eight weeks into the season since his last surgery and so all of those things combined I think that it would be very difficult if you're another team hoping to place your hopes and that's what you would do in a franchise quarterback you would be placing the hopes of your entire franchise on Cam Newton it'd be difficult to give up more than that understanding the risks that you would be taking on as well as the money that you would have to pay him because he's only under contract for this season last thing for you JJ Jonathan Jones is on Twitter at Jay Jones 9 read his work watch some of his work CBS Sports he's a senior writer there I think the one area of the NBA has been better than the NFL is the offseason specifically when you have free agency begin you have all these stars moving across the place and even though there are free agent names every year in the NFL that jump teams you never really have the quarterbacks making that much movement you have the Peyton Manning that one offseason but this time you got Tom Brady potentially Cam Newton could be traded Philip Rivers he's out there and many others I know you've spent a lot of time on this has the NFL ever seen a free agency offseason period like the one we're about to see next month not at the quarterback position and so because of that knows that they they certainly have not you mentioned a handful of but we can continue going right I mean there's there's gonna be Marcus Mariota there's gonna be potentially Jamis Winston Andy Dalton is in almost the exact same situation that Cam Newton is in you have struggling quarterbacks out there like a Mitch Trubisky so not that he's going to be dealt or traded or anything like that but who goes to Chicago there are so there are only so many places that a Philip Rivers can really land who wants to give Jamis Winston a long-term contract if it's not the Bucks understand that he'll throw for 5,000 but also throw 30 interceptions extremely interesting Tom Brady especially where okay when is Tom Brady going to make his decision because if you want to rewind the clock to what you just alluded to the Peyton Manning free agency tour of seven or so years ago a lot of teams were waiting on Peyton the Arizona Cardinals were waiting on him they ended up having to extend Kevin Cobb the the New York Jets wanted him had to extend Mark Sanchez like this can change the trajectory not just of a couple of franchises but seven or so teams thought at one point or another they were in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes they sweepstakes excuse me so how many teams are going to think realistically they are in the Tom Brady sweepstakes and how many of them are willing to suspend their their offseason plans to try to land the greatest quarterback of all time that is going to have a domino effect not only on the 2020 season and across the league but also on a number of teams future for the next three four or five years I've got good news I have no North Carolina Tar Heel related questions for you thanks for doing this keep up the great work appreciate it you got it that's Jonathan Jones from CBS Sports senior NFL writer there this offseason is gonna be nuts so if we take Tom Brady off the board obviously when the greatest quarterback potentially ever is on free agency that's gonna be the most interesting domino to fall or Tomino if you will if we take that off the board what is the next most interesting thing you want to learn this offseason like with the player their status is it a quarterback or do you go Derek Henry or where are you headed when you think about the status of a player who you're most interested to learn where they're gonna be playing football I guess as far as dominoes go I would be ominous wait it's not really Tomino's when it's Philip Rivers I'm kind of interested to see where he goes because of everyone else that's listed he is really the only bridge quarterback I think everybody else you would think they had a hope of at least there is a bridge water quarterback all right the top ten lists wordplay stuff that let's save that for Tuesday I mean Wednesday Tuesday or just never maybe I'm interested in seeing where Philip River goes I think that makes the rest of the the quarterback carousel I do think that Philip Rivers is the best alternative to Cam Newton that the Panthers have I do and I know you might push off of that thick oh he throws too many picks all that now while Carolina they're in a rebuild mode and that's when you're rebuilding you want to have it's not necessarily tanking when you just try to be bad that's not what teams do they just try to have shorter term contracts and build on younger players and even though Philip Rivers isn't necessarily young he's 38 he is durable he is a good leader and he's gonna be on a short-term contract one or two years that's what Carolina values I think at the quarterback spot you want someone who's pretty good so we can learn what you have with Matt rule and Joe Brady but you don't want someone too good that he's gonna demand four or five years on a contract players and managers have been firing shots at Rod Manfred all week long the NFL or excuse me the Major League Baseball Commissioner but I really believe he's not the one to blame here I'll tell you who is when we begin sharing with Darren next it's the drive with Josh Graham take it from me you're driving everyone crazy mission accomplished on sports hub triad this is a segment as we're sharing with Darren bot we just like the call having fun on a Friday we like movies we play the Rotten Tomatoes movie game once a week and then we'll return back to regularly scheduled programming in 15 minutes we'll get to Cam Newton and maybe they soon to becoming divorce between the organization and Cam Newton next hour West Miller will be joining us UNC Greensboro head basketball coach before we start playing the game I think we need to address something as Aaron comes into the studio for the movie game once a week joining me and Darren in here he has sanitation wipes that he is wiping on the microphone you can hear it a little bit probably not if you're in your car like Robert this isn't even registering on the board I bet what Aaron is doing so it's not really an effective practice at all but he feels like there's a chance he could get sick by me because my voice is tired I am struggling with a case of the feel fine don't sound fine that's what I'm struggling with there okay take those chances Josh career it must be a tough life the feel fine don't sound fine so Aaron the reason he has to come into the studio to do this is because I don't trust him I don't trust him not the cheat he has to have his sheet of paper out and write his answers before I do same thing for Darren who has his sheet of paper right out in front of him what have I done for you to feel like I might cheat what have I done you've accused me of cheating I think the overall point is is Josh is not respecting your care and attention of your immune system here you know I got a one-year-old at home like I don't need to call it out I get it it's ridiculous I have to put up with this look we should unionize honestly let's play the movie game I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story it's time for some kind of movie game all right all right all right with Josh Graham and Darren bought show me too much awesome hey we're back for another week guys how you feeling fantastical I just told you I I feel good and sound good yeah that's great I feel fine I don't sound fun all right run rotten tomatoes movie game game based off movie scores off of that popular website we're going off of the audience scores and today's theme is snow day or snow whatever you want to look at it there's a little snow or a lot of snow and all of these movies you guys are aware of the rules golden movie will be hit the audience might not be aware that's why I'm explaining it I hate hate hate hate playing this game with Josh I'm getting there I'm getting there in the fact that after these movies all the players are within 10 points we will go to a final golden movie before that there are three movies with my so chosen theme which is snow and you guys all have your pencils and paper you're all ready to go yes all right we're gonna go in Josh Darren Aaron as regular order and to start off I got a fun little movie for us with some snow you might have seen a parody of this during the Super Bowl commercials all right if you don't know what that movie is then I'm gonna take a break and you guys can all go watch it and we'll come back here and watch it it is The Shining a lot of snow in that movie I thought for sure when you reference Super Bowl commercial we were going groundhog that yeah same but that's what I expected well you guys must not know me that well so write your answers down I'm assuming you all have seen this movie yeah have you are do any of you have any interest in the second part of this movie that's coming out it might already be out I'm not sure and it's all based on like the cult of what shining actually is what is it it's doctor something yeah doctor sleep or doctor yeah who is the there's one one like big name that's in the center of this right actor wise I don't know who it is maybe Benedict Cumberbatch or is he doctor hey sounds like it should be who's the lady that played olive oil in the first shining with Jeff Mickelson Oh whoever it was probably not the greatest fit yeah Ewan McGregor Ewan McGregor Ewan no clue that is why that is a pretty big guy did you say Ewan Ewan I was really that was really strange when it comes to the critic score is a critic score audience score audience score okay is that something that evolves over time or is that something that's initially what it's reviewed I mean that's the people who review it and it can change over time it depends yeah right I think I think there's ongoing review like yeah it's not it's it's very could you or I you or I could go to Rotten Tomatoes and submit a review I think you have to be an approved like you have to have some kind of backup to this like to be a critic or something you can still submit reviews for movies but it won't go into the audience score all right I've got my score do you guys have everything written down yeah all right I know at first this movie wasn't critically received well and there's some pushback by Stephen King and others but now it seemed to be a classic I think the audience score is gonna be really high I have it at 97 Darren what you got yeah similar logic I have it at 86 86 Aaron's not as high as you guys I'm going 84 the shining comes in at 85 Oh both of you guys one away man that's tough so close you two I'm not yeah I was one away I was 12 what you second oh no we straddled it Aaron that's okay I see what you mean now I was confused by your each one away yeah you're both very close but a lot of game a lot of game no big deal here is our second movie some people say you know them can believe Jamaica we have a bobsled team the fastest of the fastest of Jamaican sprinters go to Olympics fight for Jamaica I wish we could watch that movie right now so Aaron is obviously a fan of this cool runnings yeah I know it I've never seen it really never seen right this was a classic at North Davidson High School if you had a substitute teacher you were either gonna watch cool runnings or you were gonna watch radio Joshua Josh is cool rough cool runnings Wow I'm not proud no I'm not I'm not like trying to shame you that's just that's just genuinely shocked me I I haven't seen cool runnings I think everybody has the movies that might surprise them yeah for sure other people want me to get it started here yeah if you guys are already far away just wait for Aaron to write something down yeah 78% 78% Darren how you feeling I see pride I see power I see 79 79 Aaron I got 80% written down I want to change it but I got 80 wow Aaron you're a stud dude cool runnings comes in at 81 oh my god you guys are all very close Aaron ha but I'm still more than ten off Aaron has two on his score I'm serious I have three in in first place currently you've got Aaron with two Darren with three and Josh you're not terribly far behind you could still initiate a golden movie with 15 yeah it's one of those things where Aaron's had the lead the last few weeks and he's never been able to sustain it he's like the San Francisco 49ers in the final 10 minutes of the Super Bowl Kyle Shanahan let's see if he can keep this lead did you hear he blew a 28 to 3 lead in the Super Bowl daddy I must have missed that what's the final movie the final movie not a big fan of this I did watch it a lot as a kid you guys be the judge you probably haven't seen it it's Cuba gooding jr. in snow dogs Jack I leave my outhouse and all its contents gratefully gratefully not Cuba's best was isn't it dare I thought you were gonna say the movie was Cuba gooding jr. like what I only keep saying it like that wasn't it Darren that gets perturbed when people call him Cuba what's your favorite Cuba getting junior performance I'm probably gonna go back to my North Davidson days and say radio I usually go rod Tidwell Jerry Maguire yeah Wow that's yeah oh man he had won when he was on a vacation on a cruise ship with a bunch of European models I don't remember what the movie's called my mom had it I wasn't allowed to watch it I watched it when she left because there was nudity I was a fan it's not Pearl Harbor it's not OJ Simpson is everybody ready yes fire away this movie is awful 37% this movie was bad my computer didn't like that what'd you say 31 for 37 37 percent Darren what you got yeah similarly this this one a great third movie choice on your part though just because it's a little bit more unpredictable I put 48 48 Aaron I have never seen snow dogs Wow no idea what happened in it Aaron went high no I didn't go high just because snow dogs doesn't sounds like awful movie it is and then Cuba gooden jr. what you got rid down 27% he does have that right now okay he went way low Wow Wow guys there are there will be no golden movie Aaron he did it Aaron you did it man Aaron is your champion for the movie game coming in third place Josh Graham with 27 one in front of him Darren with 26 Aaron you have achieved an all-time low score of four enjoy your what was it or the movie score the movie was 25 oh my god everyone enjoy your moment Josh Graham is sick he doesn't want to admit it he's sick he looks sickly I like that anytime somebody wants to use their minute of Zen to to trash Josh I'm all about it ill-prepared for the moment though I've been there but he's like a Hollywood actress who says she's unprepared when she goes to the microphone not expecting to win can I say yeah you never know always like I mean you gotta prepare a speech for that sort of thing I think my mom the best actor nominees did not other than Joaquin Phoenix I think we knew what was about to happen there Darren good to have you in here as always bro have a good call tonight I just called you bro I'm sorry about that yeah have a good call on NC State gymnastics tonight thanks and high point basketball tomorrow and NC State baseball on Sunday and Tuesday and on Tuesday quite a week for you up next evidence of an ugly departure soon to happen between Cam Newton and the Carolina Panthers keep it here on the drive