Read through the Bible this year and properly understand it. That is the topic we'll discuss today right here on the Christian Real View Radio Program, where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ.
I'm David Wheaton, the host. The Christian Real View is a nonprofit, listener-supported radio ministry. We are able to broadcast on the radio station, website, or app on which you are listening today because of the support of listeners like you. So thank you for your prayer, encouragement, and support. You can connect with us by visiting our website, theChristianrealview.org, calling our toll-free number, 1-888-646-2233, or by writing to Box 401 Excelsior, Minnesota 55331. Right after the Apostle Paul wrote about the armor of God for the believer in Ephesians Chapter 6, he ended that portion by writing this, With all prayer and petition, pray at all times in the Spirit. And with this in view be on the alert, with all perseverance and petition for all the saints. And pray on my behalf that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, for which I am an ambassador in chains, that in proclaiming it, the gospel, I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. For every believer, this needs to be our objective this year. We need to have a clear and bold proclamation of biblical truth and the gospel. And by God's grace, the Christian worldview is going to stand firm. The truth of God's word is the only thing that changes people, and by extent, it changes their family and even society as well. There's no political solution to what is going on in the world.
The only solution is a spiritual one. When unbelievers are saved, when believers are sanctified, set apart for God's use, and God enacts revival in a nation. God did this many times in the nation of Israel when they turned away from Him.
He brought them back, and He's done it other times throughout history, and He can certainly do it again now. So let's pray that God would move His Holy Spirit in the hearts of people and that we would speak the truth and engage our deeds to honor Him. Many Christians begin a new year with the goal of reading through the entire Bible. It is an excellent and attainable endeavor, one that will help the believer better understand God and His purposes. Since all Scripture is inspired by God, according to 2 Timothy 3.16, the one who reads through the Bible is hearing directly from God on a daily basis.
That being said, the Bible is a big book, written by 40 authors on three continents in three languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic, over a span of 1,500 years. Grasping how the history, culture, narratives, poetry, and prophecy of the Old Testament form one cohesive revelation with the Gospels, history, culture, letters, and prophecy of the New Testament, that can be challenging. This is why we have asked Paul Twiss, pastor and instructor of Bible Exposition at the Masters Seminary, to join us on The Christian Worldview. Paul has created a handful of very helpful short videos entitled, Everyday Theologian, to help Christians accurately interpret the various parts of Scripture.
We have those videos linked on thechristianworldview.org. You may recall that we aired today's interview with Paul previously, but we also added some updates as well. Paul, tell us about your background and why you came to saving faith in Jesus Christ. I was interested to read just from your bio that it says, you did not grow up in a Christian home. The Lord saved you through the influence of Christian roommates at university, and then you served seven years with the British Royal Navy, and you began to lead a Bible study during that time after you were saved. So tell us about your background and how and why you came to saving faith in Christ.
It's great to be with you this morning, David. You're right, I did not grow up in a Christian home. I had virtually zero gospel influence in my life until around about the age of 21. I left home to go to university, and it was while I was studying at university that in the Lord's providence, I ended up living in a house with about six other guys, and two of those were believers. And it was really through their sharing of the gospel to me, their faithfulness to do that, that I came to discover for the first time what the claims of Christianity are, and to begin to explore those claims.
And I would say after about a year of searching, of reading the Bible with those two believers, of starting to go to church and learn more, that the Lord put an end to my resistance and saved me. Now, as you said, the next step was me in the Royal Navy. I had already signed up. I was committed. I signed up as an unbeliever, and then the Lord saved me at university, and now I was headed into the military and really no way out, and I just trusted the Lord in that.
I figured he knew this would be the case. So I went into the Navy as a one-year-old Christian. My first year of service was on top of the water on an aircraft carrier, and then they didn't have enough volunteers that year for the submarine service, so I was drafted under the water. And the next six years, I served as an engineer on a submarine, and we would go away for months at a time under the water, and often I was the only believer on board. Something that the Lord was doing in my heart at that time, I led church services on board the submarine, being the only believer. I really didn't know what I was doing, but I was trying to just share the gospel with the other guys on that submarine, and I really enjoyed it. It was something that I felt I could do as a way of honoring the Lord in that dark environment, and so I began to explore the possibility of moving towards vocational ministry. I think by that stage, I knew that I wasn't going to be in the Navy for my whole career that at some point I would leave, and I shared with my pastor back home that I'd been leading these church services and was beginning to think about the possibility of maybe moving towards vocational ministry, and that is kind of the short story of how I got to where I am today. Let me just follow up with a question, because being in the military, whether the British military, and I'm assuming it's probably fairly similar to the American military, it's a pretty rough environment. A lot of ungodliness, a lot of pushback against believers and so forth. You went to Cambridge.
You got a master's degree in mechanical engineering, went into, as a nuclear engineer, in the British submarine service. Even that, just being underwater for, I don't know, four or six months at a time, that's an unusual situation, and being so intimately quartered with others. Like you said, there was not one other believer on board. I think it would be helpful for you to explain, and as a new Christian, by the way, for how you were able to navigate just the cultural pressure, the resistance to your beliefs, I'm sure there was that, because it might be helpful to someone listening today who's maybe in the military, maybe in prison, maybe going off to college, and maybe they grew up in a Christian home, or maybe they truly are a believer, but they're just all alone.
Give some advice for how you navigated that. It's a difficult thing to be a Christian without any fellowship. That was one thing that I learned quite quickly in the submarine service. When I was the only believer on board, it's very hard to be flourishing in your relationship with the Lord when there's no one around you that believes the same things that you do. One thing I always say to folks now in hindsight with experience of looking back on that time, I just encourage people, you've got to be in a local church, and you've got to be fully committed and be present with other believers because that is one of the primary means that the Lord uses to keep us on the straight and narrow is fellowship with the saints. I didn't have that on the submarine, and we would be away for three to four months at a time, so I knew that my Bible reading and prayer was absolutely crucial.
It's always important in the Christian life, but I tried to make it as best I could, a regular practice every day to be in the word and in prayer because I was lacking that fellowship aspect. As it relates to interactions with other people, I would just say it's important to state upfront who you are and what you believe. The advice given to me when I went into the military was, as early as you can, make it known that you're a believer. Don't hold it back.
Don't hide it. That serves really two purposes. One, if you don't tell people early on, I'm a Christian, this is what I believe, and they were to find out months down the road, oh, this guy's a believer, their conclusion is going to be, well, his faith can't be that important to him because we've only found out now. It's a testimony to the power of the gospel and the significance of Christ in your life when you stand up on day one, as it were, and say, I'm a Christian.
Then secondly, it actually holds you accountable. You've made it known that this is who you are, and now I guarantee people are watching you, they're listening to what you say, and there's a level of accountability, as it were, built into that in terms of how you conduct yourself. People know what to expect, to some degree, from a Christian, and it's important to just make it plain. You just say, this is who I am, and this is what I believe. That's just very good advice, and I was just thinking it may lessen some of the peer pressure. They may not think that, oh, Paul's not going to go along with us to do the things we want to do, so it may help in that regard, too.
Thanks for explaining. I think it'll be helpful to people in a similar situation where they feel all alone in a godless environment. Paul twists with us today on the Christian worldview. He is an instructor of Bible exposition at the Masters Seminary, so there was a big transition there in your life, going from military service into seminary and beyond, and then now teaching at a seminary. This is why we wanted you on the program today. You do a lot of preaching as well. You have an eight or nine episode video series on the Grace Media app, and we have this linked at our website, thechristianrealview.org. We just highly recommend listeners go there to watch these. They're just short sessions, about nine to 15 minutes in length, on different aspects of interpreting the Bible, from basic hermeneutics, interpretation, to the storyline of Scripture, starting in the first five books, the Pentateuch, to the history of Israel, the prophets, the New Testament, how to deal with the different genres of Scripture, the narrative of the prophets, epistles, that kind of thing. They're all linked there.
We're not going to be able to cover the whole thing today. But Christians at this time of year, early in the year, are starting to get onto Bible reading plans, and maybe they've committed to read through the Bible an entire year, and we've just been in the middle of a series on the Bible and why it's the foundation for our worldview. We thought it'd be really good to have you on to explain just a few things up front to help Christians as they're starting to read through the Bible this year, so they can understand it, they can come to correct interpretations of it, so they don't go down wrong roads.
I pulled a couple of sound bites from especially one of your early episodes on basic hermeneutics. It's episode two, actually, where you talk about the inspiration of the Bible. It's inspired by God. It's God-breathed.
Therefore it's inerrant. Therefore it's sufficient, and therefore it's authoritative. Those four points.
So let me play this sound bite and then follow up with a question for you. God has given us in this book all that we need to live a life that honors him. That, of course, begins with the gospel.
We find in this book God's message of salvation by which we are redeemed and brought into a right relationship with him, and thereafter we find in this book all that we need to live a life that honors him. The Bible is sufficient. Now some years ago I was thinking with my kids about how to teach them these truths, and we actually came up with a song.
I'm not going to sing it to you now, but I'll tell you the words. We sang together, the Bible is inspired, therefore it is inerrant, therefore it is sufficient, and it is authoritative. The other thing I tried to labor is the connection between each truth, because they're really, really important. The Bible is inspired, therefore it is inerrant, therefore it is sufficient, and it is authoritative.
They all follow on from the previous. I think Paul, most Christians would hear that and would agree, especially conservative Christians would say, yep, we believe in the inspiration of scripture, point one, yes, therefore it's inerrant, without error, God inspired it, therefore it's without error, point two, point three, it's sufficient, and then point four, authoritative. That's where I think we can get a little wobbly. The Bible is sufficient for all matters of life and faith, and it's authoritative over every area of our life.
I think that's where the paths can diverge a little bit. So speak more, Paul, as to reading and interpreting the Bible within the structure of those four points you just made. That chain of doctrines is crucial to hold onto, especially as it gets to the last few. If we really do want to live our lives in submission to the scriptures, it begins with an embracing of the doctrine of inspiration. This is the word of God, it's breathed out by him, and it comes ultimately from a divine author, which means there are no mistakes, it's inerrant, and then we get to the sufficiency and the authority part of it.
It is sufficient to save and to sanctify. The scriptures are sufficient, in fact, they are God's means by which he saves us, the word of God, and thereafter the scriptures are sufficient to keep us going towards Christ-likeness and to ensure that we don't make shipwreck of our faith, that we don't turn our back on God. The scriptures keep us on the straight and narrow, and the scriptures therefore should also be authoritative. If they come from God and they're without error and they're this sufficient guide for both salvation and sanctification, then we need to acknowledge them as authoritative. I think perhaps what you're referring to is what I see today is there are so many voices that find a way into the Christian's life and can oftentimes be on a par with the scriptures, voices that perhaps we don't even recognize we're attributing authority to, and yet they have sway over us, they have influence over us. What the Christian needs to do as a habit, develop as a mindset, is to keep returning back to the fact that this book sits above all other truth claims, all other claims to authority or influence. If the Bible says it, it needs to be my authority and it cannot be on a par with something else. As I say that, I think it's important to acknowledge in Christ we have an awful lot of freedom.
When I teach the book of Proverbs to the students in the seminary, I say Proverbs deals with the gray areas of life, the Torah, the law in the Old Testament dealt with the black and white, this is what you are to do, this is what you are not to do, but that leaves an awful lot of life not touched upon, and that's what Proverbs probes, the gray area. Then I say, and honestly guys, that's where we live probably 90% of our lives. Assuming as a Christian that you are not pursuing in a flagrant, high-handed manner something that you know to be sin, presuming that that's not your way of living, that you're doing your best to honor the Lord and live a Christian life. Most of what you do day-to-day is in that gray area where we have freedom in Christ. Do I take this job or do I take this job?
Do I shop at this store or this store? Neither is necessarily right or wrong, but it becomes a wisdom issue. The authority of the Bible is that which speaks to what is right and wrong, that which is sin and not sin, and then it gives us wisdom for living in that middle ground where we have liberty in Christ. That's well said. Thank you for that. Paul Twist with us today on The Christian Worldview, talking about understanding and interpreting Scripture. He's an instructor of Bible Exposition at the Master's Seminary. We have these videos linked that we're talking about at our website, thechristianworldview.org. Okay, we'll take a brief break, but more with Paul Twist coming up as we discuss reading through the Bible this year and properly interpreting it. You're listening to The Christian Worldview.
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Paul Twist is our guest. He is the pastor at Bethany Bible Church in California. Paul, let's go from those four points you just made, inspiration, inerrancy, sufficiency, and then the authority of Scripture, kind of the facts about it, to getting in where the rubber meets the road. Advice on interpreting it or making wrong conclusions. You talk about in these videos that the proper way to interpret Scripture is a historical grammatical interpretive method or hermeneutic. So you look at the historical context and then you look at the grammatical structure of it. You pay attention to the grammar of the language and that leads to a literal interpretation of the Bible.
So I'm going to play this next soundbite from this episode and then follow up with a question. Now we're very well served. We have good English translations in our hands and they do represent as best we can in the act of translation what was written in the original languages. So you don't have to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic to understand the Bible and you can follow in the English text the grammar of the text. When we say the historical grammatical hermeneutic we're simply saying let the words and the sentences and the phrases mean what they would originally mean, what they do mean in normal use of language.
We don't do funny things with language. Now if we put those two things together historical and grammatical that's a hermeneutic and what that's going to lead us towards more times than not is a literal interpretation of the text. Historical grammatical hermeneutic is a literal reading of the Bible. Maybe you've heard it said a different way a phrase that I sometimes hear that I quite like if the plain sense of the text makes sense seek no other sense. That's a phrase that sums up exactly what the historical grammatical hermeneutic does for you. It leads you to a sound interpretation that is anchored in the historical context and the grammar of the text. What it does is it stops you from spiritualizing the text from making the words mean something they weren't intended to mean.
Okay there was a lot in that little short audio bite there. You talked about the translations we have in English first of all that most of them are good. Be more specific with that though because not all of them are as good as others so maybe you could recommend a few of the English translations that give a more literal sense of what the original language has had and then you talked about the literal trying to come to a literal understanding of the Bible. Some people will say literally you don't take the Bible literally all the time you know Jesus isn't a door you use that example and so forth and then you said the plain sense should make sense but as we all know people have different sensibilities they come to big different conclusions what makes sense to one person doesn't make sense to another so speak to that sound bite more on the hermeneutic or the interpretation of scripture. Yeah so beginning then with the first point you raised about translations we have so many translations in the English language far more than the many other languages have and a lot of them are good and I would with confidence recommend a number of translations out there as an accurate representation of what was recorded in the original language.
The question comes down to how dynamic is the translation how close to the original language is it. I would just say the NASB is a very good translation the ESV is a good translation more recently the legacy standard Bible that was something that I had the privilege of working on and they're going to serve you very well in terms of being translations that you can read and understand and yet are also anchored and tightly knit to what was written in those original languages now assuming you've got a good translation before you perhaps it's an ESV or an NASB or a legacy standard Bible if you have that translation before you now comes the difficulty of you reading the text and interpreting it correctly so translation is the first step you now have to interpret the text as you read it. One of the pieces of advice that I give perhaps more than any other when it comes to Bible reading is to read with someone else. Now let me just qualify that let me explain it I don't mean necessarily that every single time you open the Bible somebody needs to be sat beside you physically though there is much value in studying the Bible with other people certainly. What I mean is you need help from others as you read the Bible. God designed his word to be received by his people corporately think about the Old Testament saints in Israel think about the New Testament Church the epistles were written to churches. God designed his word to be received corporately and I think it's a particular failing of the age in which we live that we're so individualistic in our approach to the text. Don't get me wrong a daily quiet time is a good thing I I commend you to read your Bible each and every day and meet with the Lord but we're very individualistic and that and that bleeds into not only the the manner in which we open the Bible but in our interpretive efforts we start to think as you just mentioned David we start to think along the lines of this is what the Bible means to me. Well that should never be something that we're thinking when we're reading the text it should always be what did God intend by this not what does the Bible mean to me but what did God intend by this and that's where it helps to read with other people. We will have blind spots we will have certain proclivities if you read with others then that can often be a means by which we arrive arrive a sound interpretation and I would include when I say read with others I would include for example sitting down and reading a study Bible when I read my MacArthur study Bible or whatever one it might be and I read the introduction and when I read the footnotes I know those parts aren't inspired but they're really helpful and somebody has labored to to write those notes to guide me in my reading so in that in essence I am reading with somebody else there or maybe I sit down and read and I've got a commentary beside me a good commentary that's been recommended to me by a trusted pastor or elder and they say this book's really going to help you I am reading with somebody else that I'm reading with the author of that country and they're helping me to write a sound interpretation of the text. It's difficult to overstate the importance of this again because we're so prone to go down in our thinking along the lines of but what does this mean for me just a few comments then on that on that last point you mentioned the historical grammatical hermeneutic and and and that phrase that was in the sound bite I like to say that because it kind of encapsulates the historical grammatical hermeneutic if the plain sense makes sense seek no other sense that really is what I mean by the historical grammatical hermeneutic you study the historical context in which the book was written you allow the language to do the things that language normally does and it is going to lead you to a literal interpretation of the text if you read the text and the literal interpretation is bizarre it doesn't make sense then that might be one of the times in scripture where it is a metaphor being employed so when Jesus says I am the door we know intuitively he doesn't mean that it's a huge block of wood he's not making that claim he's employing a metaphor that is self-evident but most of the time for most of scripture what we're reading is the plain sense the sense that was intended by the original author that would have made sense his historical context and in accordance with the language that he's using and that's going to lead us to a proper sound interpretation of the Bible you're listening to Paul twist today on the Christian worldview radio program he's an instructor of Bible exposition at the Masters Seminary in California you can find out more about him and you can also watch how they encourage you to watch these handful of videos that they have done Paul has done hosted called everyday theologian videos on hermeneutics and in other words interpreting the Bible the storyline of the Bible in about eight episodes you can go to our website thechristianworldview.org to get a link to watch those be great thing to do to watch with your family or your Bible your home Bible study group or your church Sunday school class at church very helpful especially as we discuss this at the beginning of the year starting off on the right foot so you're not going down wrong roads want to get to one more soundbite before we change gears here on the program today and this has to do with the the overall storyline of the Bible it's not some disconnected 66 books that are don't really link to each other there's a driving message there's a driving theme the books are where they are on purpose in scripture so let's get that to that soundbite and then follow up with a question where does this book sit in redemptive history where does it sit within God's redemptive plan where is it in the Bible and how does that help us understand it God has a plan from Genesis to Revelation that we can follow and to know where each book sits is helpful as you read that book so let's think together then about the storyline of the Bible from Genesis all the way through to Revelation chapter one of our Bibles in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth that first chapter is not simply there to give us a theology of creation though it does do that it gives us the theology of God that first line is an emphatic declaration of of who God is he's the authority he's all-powerful he doesn't have an equal there is even a subtle polemical nature to what Moses is doing here responding to other creation narratives that would have God on a par with other gods and and the biblical narrative tells us the truth and says there is no equal to God he is the author of life he's the creator and what you see in that first chapter is that the pinnacle of his created order is mankind we sit in a very privileged position he makes all things and then as the pinnacle he makes us and he sets on us his image we are his image bearers okay so there's a lot you said there in that why is the first several chapters or the Genesis let's say as a whole the early part of Scripture so important to understanding the rest of Scripture and then part two of the question is oftentimes when we start our Bible reading plans at the beginning of the year Genesis is exciting it's amazing narratives and history and what who God is and who we are and the fall of man and the introduction of the gospel there but sometimes when we get to Exodus it's really good and then you know the access from from Egypt and so forth but then you get into the more the law the Leviticus numbers you can get bogged down I think for anyone so talk about the early part of Scripture and then avoiding some of the areas that are more difficult to read and maybe even repetitive where you just think can I just kind of skim through this yeah so the the early chapters of Genesis are so so important to shaping our understanding of the rest of Scripture but also the world I mean that they're making worldview claims so if you if you spend time in those first few chapters there are claims being made as I just said in that soundbite as to the nature of God himself creation mankind sin I mean the list goes on and on and on and the claims being made influence just about everything you could thereafter consider so the doctrine of image-bearing that that lays a claim as to who we are and what we're supposed to be doing any question that you might have thereafter about mankind about humanity is informed by a proper understanding of that single doctrine of image-bearing as it's given in Genesis chapter one and we could say that of any of those key doctrines it all begins in the early part of the Bible and as I prepare sermons and I think about application of the text and I try and look around and see what are the what are the prevalent lines of thought in society today week by week I find that the thoughts we see that are prevalent in society today are most often some deviation away from some misappropriation of one of those key doctrines that are found early in the scriptures just about every Sunday you can go back to those first few chapters and say if we had thought about this doctrine correctly it would have led to a better result in this area of society or this area of society you know I don't want to overstate the case but I often think with with our relationships on a societal level so many issues that we see would be correctly addressed if we just understood what it was to be an image-bearer that informs our our understanding of ourselves our understanding of one another our understanding of what it is we're to be about and by missing that by not having a correct understanding of image-bearing at least to a whole host of problems and they just keep playing off one another and and and you know sin breeds more sin and on and on it goes so those first few chapters and indeed the book of Genesis but especially those first few chapters are so important for forming a Christian worldview now when you get beyond those first few chapters and you get into books like Leviticus and Numbers and Deuteronomy I appreciate the question how do you how do you keep going how do you not get deflated grow despondent they can be very very difficult books to read and I would just encourage folks that the more you can locate the the book and the chapter and the passage you're in the more you can locate it within the glory of redemptive history the more it's going to be meaningful and life-giving for you so if you were to read a chapter in Leviticus in complete isolation from anything that's going on around it and you don't think about the book of Leviticus and why it is where it is in the Bible and you don't think about the relationship of Leviticus to Exodus and and you're just not aware of God's redemptive plan from Genesis through to Revelation and how this book fits in if those things are not on your radar then I fully understand why when you read that chapter in your quiet time that morning you're not pumped you're not that excited I get that by contrast if you're able to grasp something of the glory of redemptive history of God's plan of salvation and what he was doing in the book of Leviticus as it relates to the book of Exodus as it relates to the book of Hebrews and and on and on we go when you start to see the bigger picture now this chapter is incredible I just want to dwell on this chapter more because I can see its significance in the bigger picture so it certainly takes some work the the kind of Bible reading that I'm commending certainly takes some work there are great resources out there and and I would just encourage you as best you can to orient yourself to the bigger picture the plan of redemption from beginning to end and when you do that and you keep holding it in view that's when those more tricky portions of scripture start to come to life and have real significance even for the believer today very good advice Paul twists with us today on the Christian worldview radio program instructor of Bible exposition at the Masters Seminary and again we commend these videos to you the everyday theologian videos we have them linked at our website theChristianrealview.org just a handful of videos short videos about how to approach scripture how to interpret it the different parts of genres of scripture and portions and so forth would be very helpful for you and your Bible study group or family to watch these alright much more coming up after this break you are listening to the Christian worldview I'm David Wheaton what is the Christian worldview radio program really about fundamentally it's about impacting people families churches with the life and eternity changing truth of God's Word we know the gospel of Jesus Christ is the only message that saves us from God's wrath by God's grace for God's glory and we know the Bible is the inspired Word of God providing the only way to think and live to the glory of God we are a nonprofit listener supported ministry if you would like to help us impact listeners with the biblical worldview in the gospel consider 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also the the head of the seminary where you teach John MacArthur recently has written a letter to pastors I'm just going to read a couple of paragraphs from that because there's a significant situation that's taking place in Canada right now and he says dear minister of the gospel I write to you this Christmas season to call it your attention to an urgent matter in which the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is under attack in late December I received an email from Pastor James Coates of Grace Life Church of Edmonton in Alberta Canada he says you will remember that he we cover this on a program here too so listeners will remember this he was recently imprisoned for keeping his church open during the COVID-19 lockdowns MacArthur goes on to say James recent email gave me insight into the Canadian government's decision to pass bill c4 it's the name of the bill which quote directly comes against parents and counselors who would seek to offer biblical counsel with respect to sexual immorality and gender unquote pastor James indicates that it could be used to quote criminalize evangelism and then MacArthur goes on to quote from an email from another pastor named Andrew D Bartolo saying bill c4 passed through the House and Senate in Canada without opposition not a single dissenting vote was cast by any member of the Conservative Party in Canada it received royal assent on December 8th which means it will come into law after January 8th 2022 the bill will amend the criminal code in Canada to ban quote conversion therapy it will criminalize among other things quote causing another person to undergo conversion therapy promoting your advertising conversion therapy unquote in the preamble to the bill quote heterosexuality or cisgender gender identity that's the gender you were born with in gender expression that conforms to the sex assigned to a person at birth are to be preferred in other words that's not to be taught that you to prefer that over other sexual orientations gender identities and gender expressions that's a myth according to Canadian laws of January 8th 2022 the belief in God's design for marriage and sexuality will now be seen as a myth so then there's a much more to this and we have this this letter linked at the Christian worldview.org for listeners to read so my question for you Paul is this you don't hear any government at least at this point trying to silence preachers or churches on the issue of adultery extramarital heterosexual immorality or pornography or premarital sex things the Bible clearly forbids why is the issue of homosexuality and transgenderism Paul the linchpin for these reductions or these eliminations of freedom of speech and freedom of religion yeah I think the answer is because our age is one of the sexual revolution a lot of people have written on this when history looks back at the time in which we are now they'll mark this down as the age of the sexual revolution and that's where these issues are being tested so the issue of freedom of speech and freedom of a religion I mean that's going to intersect with just about anything in life but we're finding it to be intersecting with or overlapping with issues of sexuality and I think that's only going to increase the intersection or the the means by which these these freedoms are being tested more and more is going to find its way into the discussion of sexual identity and even what it is to be a person to be a male or a female John MacArthur is is calling for preachers on an upcoming Sunday to preach on biblical sexual morality why is that an important thing to do for for people listening who are pastors who may not know about this or just people who are listening who go to a church why should they urge their pastor to to join in and take this Sunday to preach on biblical sexual morality whether in Canada or in America two reasons one to show our unity with our brothers in Canada they're feeling the heat more than we are at least right now and it's important for us to link arms with them and show that we are with them in this and preaching on that Sundays is one way of doing that and then additionally as much as this is maybe not we're not feeling the heat as much right now in America you can believe that this is an issue in your congregation this is out there it's in society and it is a wise thing to address this issue to your congregation and just to reaffirm the biblical teaching on sexuality and marriage and all of the topics that surround this this issue in Canada so we just mentioned they're cracking down on this idea of preaching against home on homosexuality already in Canada programs like race to you and others aren't allowed to have sermons that have biblical teaching on against homosexuality in that country so that that's going on there we've talked about Canada we hear about things going on in England that street evangelism in many cases they are constrained and sometimes arrested in England for preaching on the on the on the street about government forbidden topics like homosexuality and otherwise we've seen what's taking place in Australia another colony or part of the British Empire in the past the the authoritarianism with regards to COVID you go to quarantine camps and so forth it's just over the top so the question is having grown up in Britain and understanding that culture and so forth why are countries with British ties like Canada the UK Australia and New Zealand they seem more willing to over overrun individual liberties of freedoms of speech and religion even you know that the liberty to put in your body what you want to put in your body or or not I'm not saying this isn't taking place in America because we know there's an element here that is very strongly would agree with Canada do the exact same things as going on in these British these British areas formerly British Empire areas what is the difference in the mindset there if there is one that you would compare it with what's at least still remaining in some sense in America yeah it's a good question and there's so much to say in response and I'm by no means an expert but it has been interesting living as a Brit in America for the last nine and a half years just to see the differences in the in the way people think and I can't speak necessarily for Canadians or Australians but the UK has been a socialist state for a very long time now and one of the implications of that is there are areas of life that come under government control far more than they would here you see it in the American mindset there's this resorting to the founding document of America is one that the champions Liberty the notion of freedom and the American can always go back to that and hold that forth when issues like this come to the come to the surface COVID you know was was an issue that that I think revealed a lot of the problems that have been dormant in honestly both both countries for a long time in different ways the response has been so markedly different in large part because the the American can go back to the founding documents which lay out the case for the individuals freedom whereas the UK doesn't have that and for a long time has been living under a system where in the government just has more control over certain areas of life and so that the natural response over there is when something like a pandemic happens powers is defaulted to the government and the average citizen will follow what's going on there again there's more to say and I'm not you know I'm trying to boil this down into a nutshell and there's so many moving parts to this yes there are and the reaction the response from all of these Western civilization nations has been very interesting to say the least to watch over the last couple years with COVID and what this portends going forward I want to thank you for coming on the program here early in the year to talk about interpreting scripture and helping us to be able to read our Bibles this year so we better understand them and can live them as you mentioned in these videos so we can live lives to the glory of God Paul twist thank you so much for coming on the Christian worldview my pleasure great to be with you David okay one last reminder that you can watch these short videos entitled everyday theologian hosted by Paul twist our guest today here on the program by going to our website the Christian worldview.org and one more update this interview originally aired in early 2022 and now as we get into 2023 there's going to be another biblical sexuality Sunday where pastors are encouraged to preach on that topic it's Sunday January 15th 2023 please encourage your pastor to go to our website the Christian worldview.org to find out more about that but most importantly of all if you have never repented of your sin and put your faith in the person in the work of Jesus Christ I would encourage you to go to the page in our website what must I do to be saved that is the most important question that every person needs to answer during their lifetime go there and read about who God is who you are who Jesus Christ is and what you must do to be saved Jesus said you must be born again thank you for listening to the Christian real view today let's remember that Jesus Christ and his word are the same yesterday and today and forever so until next time think biblically live accordingly and stand firm the mission of the Christian worldview is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ we hope today's broadcast encouraged you toward that end to hear a replay of today's program order a transcript or find out what must I do to be saved go to the Christian real view dot org or call toll free 1 triple 8 6 4 6 22 33 the Christian worldview is a listener supported nonprofit radio ministry furnished by the overcomer foundation to make a donation become a Christian worldview partner order resources subscribe to our free 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