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What If You Refuse the COVID-19 “Vaccine”?

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May 7, 2021 8:00 pm

What If You Refuse the COVID-19 “Vaccine”?

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It seems that the biggest names want in when it comes to the issue of global health and COVID-19. Bill Gates walked away from Microsoft, the company that made him one of the richest people in the world, to start a foundation focused in large part on global health. He wants every person to get the COVID-19 “vaccine” (in quotes because it’s not a vaccine).

Now Pope Francis is hosting a conference on global health this weekend. The invite list is interesting to say the least: Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton, the CEOs of pharmaceutical giants Moderna and Pfizer, Dr. Francis Collins, head of the National Institute of Health, and spiritualist Deepak Chopra.

Mike Gendron, director and evangelist of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry, joins us to discuss what the Pope and his Jesuit worldview is up to.

We will also speak with Twila Brase, founder/president of Citizen’s Council for Health Freedom about several issues related to the COVID-19 “vaccine”: can you lose your job if you refuse to take the injection and what you need to know about it if you are considering getting it.

There is a lot to discuss this weekend on The Christian Worldview and we hope you can join us!

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So what if you refuse the COVID-19 so-called vaccine? That is a topic we'll discuss today right here on the Christian Real View Radio program where the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news of Jesus Christ. I'm David Wheaton, the host, and our website is It seems that the biggest names want in when it comes to the issue of global health and COVID-19. Bill Gates walked away from Microsoft, the company that made him one of the richest people in the world, to start a foundation focused in large part on global health. He wants every person in the world to get the COVID-19 vaccine. Now, Pope Francis is hosting a conference on global health this weekend.

The invite list is interesting to say the least. Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chelsea Clinton, the CEOs of pharmaceutical giants Moderna and Pfizer, Dr. Francis Collins, head of the National Institute of Health, and spiritualist Deepak Chopra. Mike Gendron, director and evangelist of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry, joins us to discuss what the pope and his Jesuit worldview is up to. But before we get to Mike Gendron, Twyla Brace is going to join us. She's the founder and president of Citizens Council for Health Freedom to discuss several issues related to the COVID-19 so-called vaccine.

Can you lose your job if you refuse to take the injection? And what you need to know about this vaccine if you are considering getting it? We didn't quite get to this last week, so let's start off today with the interview with Twyla Brace.

Twyla, it's good to have you back. I know you've been on the program frequently this year, but everything going on with COVID is revolving around what you do with Citizens Council for Health Freedom. The lockdowns, the mandates, the vaccines, privacy, all of these are issues that have just been brought to the forefront as a result of the coronavirus. I want to start out by reading a press release from the Health Care Civil Rights Task Force. One of the questions we have been receiving and one of the things being discussed in the news is that the vaccine is going to be mandated if you're an employee or if you want to do air travel, vaccine passports. Let me just read the first paragraph of this Health Care Civil Rights Task Force.

This was written in early March, by the way. Current COVID-19 vaccines are experimental medical products. It is important to note that no vaccine has received FDA approval for COVID-19. But to date, three vaccines have received FDA authorization for emergency use.

Being approved under an emergency use authorization, otherwise known as an EUA, means the products are investigational and experimental only. Their investigational studies have not been completed and the vaccine would not otherwise have been approved at their stage of testing. Next sentence, federal law prohibits mandates for the current COVID-19 vaccines. Federal law regulates experimental medical products that have only been authorized for emergency use and explicitly states that individuals have the right to, quote, refuse administration of the product, unquote.

Last short paragraph here. Employers who try to mandate COVID-19 for employees may be liable for damages. Employers are not shielded from liability like pharmaceutical companies when it comes to vaccines. Although pharmaceutical companies are not liable unless there is willful misconduct, the law does not shield employers or businesses. And should they attempt to mandate vaccines, they may be liable for any resulting harm. That's from the Health Care Civil Rights Task Force press release on March 8th, 2021. So Twyla, can one lose their job, their ability to travel, to have air travel or to visit a store, to basically buy or sell if one refuses to take the COVID-19 vaccine?

And if they are mandated, what is someone's recourse? Regarding a job, there are definitely employers who are contemplating or requiring employees to have this so-called vaccine. And there are also employees who have already sued their employers because of loss of employment, because the employee has refused to take this injection. And so, yes, I think there are definitely going to be more employees that will lose their jobs.

But I do think it's going to be litigation alley. I just think there's a lot of people, this has touched on an issue that there are ever more growing numbers of people who are refusing to take the vaccines, all sorts of vaccines, just because the government says so and because what they're looking at is their life. They're looking at this as perhaps being a danger to their life or to their child's life.

And they're not convinced. And this is this is so much different than, you know, some other kind of mandate. It's even more different than being a requirement to be tested because a requirement to be tested, yes, it takes a little bit of either blood or sputum from you.

Right. But it does not inject anything into you. It may have you getting quarantined for 14 days because of what the PCR test says, whether it's a false positive or a real positive.

You might be quarantined, but it's not like it's an actual foreign substance being injected into you. And so more people are going to refuse. That 40 percent of the military have refused and the Biden administration is considering forcing them to. Up to 50 percent of some health care workers in different institutions have refused.

And so there's a there's a large contingency of people who have refused. And if the employers are mandated or if stores are mandated, there'll be all sorts of people who won't go to those stores and there will be people who will lose their jobs. Regarding the airlines, there is certainly the sense of the airlines wanting to force you into being vaccinated because then they can get back to business. They can have all their seats filled.

They cannot worry about anything. But of course, all of this requires the vaccine passports, which are objectionable on many levels to all sorts of people. I think we're yet to see whether the airlines will try to force people to be vaccinated in order to fly.

Registered nurse and founder and president of Citizens Council for Health Freedom, Twyla Brace, joins us today on the Christian worldview. We talked about this last time you were on, but where is the issue of the vaccine passport now? I think Europe is considering that for Americans or anyone traveling over there. I know it's being considered here in America as well to go to events and other things like that.

So what is the status of that? At last count that I know of, there are 14 states that in some form or fashion are moving towards or have instituted a ban. So whether that's an executive order by the governor or a partial executive order, by that I mean it is an executive order, but it's only for government entities, not exactly on private entities. There are legislatures who are moving to ban vaccine passports in their states. Some of those bills will probably be passed and become law, others may not. And they're making a statement even though they know it won't pass. And so there's definitely a movement afoot to stop these things. And this is really important because this is America. And that vaccine passport, COVID-19 will not be the last thing that that's used for.

It'll be used for all sorts of things. And indeed, some people are looking for it as a way to branch out. Once they have it for COVID-19, they see other things that they can use the passport to force individuals to do. So it's really important not to buy into this and not to get a passport to get and to get your governors and your legislators to refuse to do it or to ban it. Now, we have on our homepage at, we have a sample letter that you can use to tell your legislators or your governor or both to ban the vaccine passport. And this is a good thing for your listeners to do, David, because they come from all over the country.

And legislators, for instance, if they get five letters on something, they will listen up. So, you know, have your friends and neighbors and you yourself write in these letters to your governor and to your legislators and let's stop the vaccine passport. The website again is That's Citizens Council for Health Freedom.

Twyla Brace is our guest. They also have an excellent e-newsletter with updates that come out, videos, lots of things to do on this website. It's a great source to be informed. Anything to do with health care, COVID-19, all of these things going on right now. Twyla, what should someone say if they are asked by their employer or a business or even just a friend or a person?

I'm getting asked all the time, well, have you had the vaccine? Seems like it's none of their business. What do you recommend someone says? I think you can decide, make a decision to tell people or to refuse to tell people based on your relationship with that person. But when it comes to people, you know, like store owners or people that you really don't want to have the information, you can just say, this is personal medical information and I don't want to share that with you any more than I want to share anything else about my medical records with you.

Be kind and be firm. So there's no reason anybody needs to know your vaccination status on COVID-19 or anything else. Let me read more from this press release from the Health Care Civil Rights Task Force. It says COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers are immune from legal liability.

That would be Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson. According to US code, no vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1988. If the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable, even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings. And you said so-called vaccine earlier and you call it an injection because it's not technically in the original definition of a vaccine.

We went over this in a previous program. This is not a vaccine where they take dead portions of the virus and inject them into you so you develop a natural antibody to it. This is a mRNA, messenger RNA. This is actually a type of gene technology that's going on inside your body.

Never been done before. Not officially a vaccine. It's been termed that, I think, so there wouldn't be liability for these pharmaceutical companies. Do you have any idea, Twyla, how many people or what percentage of people are either having bad side effects from this vaccine or dying? Because those things are obviously, there's lots of motivation to keep those things under wraps with how much the government and health, quote unquote, experts are pushing the vaccine for everyone to get it. So in a report that the CDC put out on April 27th, they said that the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, which is for all types of vaccines, that it had received 3,848 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. Now, they go on to say that they're going to review every case and that a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy and medical records, revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. Now, two interesting things that I would say about that is that a former New York Times reporter, Alex Berenson, has kept up a really wonderful Twitter feed on all the things that he finds out about the VAERS database. And one of those is just how behind the times it is and how there have been recently a very huge jump in the number of cases that are visible now on that system for the public to see. And then in addition to that, all you actually have to really look at is some of the reports of, you know, young people like, you know, a 15-year-old girl, I think it was like two days after the vaccination that she died.

You know, perfectly healthy, right? There are those stories. There's a physical therapist, perfectly healthy, and got the vaccine and then died two days later. Logic tells us that this is very strange and to say that these are not called by the vaccines and they just kind of happened unrelated completely to the vaccines. I leave your listeners to their own judgment, but I think that there is certainly good reason to believe that some of these deaths are from the vaccine.

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Order resources for adults and children and support the ministry. Now back to today's program with host David Wheaton. The vaccine, the so-called vaccine, doesn't keep you from getting COVID. You can still get COVID after you've had the vaccine. It doesn't release you from having to wear a mask and distance yourself from other people. We saw this in the President Biden address of Congress.

They're all wearing masks and they're all distance in the Capitol and they all been vaccinated. Getting the vaccine is, as we read earlier, is experimental. It's not FDA approved. There are some side effects. You mentioned there's even been deaths from it. It's possibly, and I actually think more than possible, I think it has been confirmed now that it is derived from cells from aborted babies.

You can clarify that in your answer. Ninety-nine percent of the people actually survive COVID when they get it, so it's not super dangerous. It's very dangerous at all because most people survive it. Early treatment, as we've talked about previously in the program, works for it. We have that COVID guide on our website,, so you take all those things together. It doesn't keep you from getting COVID. It doesn't release you from being masked and distance.

It's experimental. There's side effects, including death. It's derived from aborted babies. Ninety-nine point nine percent of people actually survive COVID. Early treatment works. Why would someone actually get the vaccine? Again, it's an injection, not a vaccine, just as you mentioned. Just for your listeners to understand, the CDC says that a vaccine causes immunity, and then they define immunity as preventing you from getting the disease. The CDC has made it very clear that this does not prevent you from getting the disease.

It simply is supposed to reduce symptoms. I think a lot of people are getting the vaccine because they want to have life go back to normal. There are certainly people who are getting it because their family wants them to have it, or their family says you can't see your grandchildren if you don't get it. Then there are the family members and the individuals themselves who are scared to death that they will get COVID-19, and they see this injection as being the way to avoid it, or if they know that it's not a vaccine, to at least avoid the symptoms or reduce the symptoms. People have to make the decision for themselves. Our organization is not against vaccines, but we are vaccine choice, an informed choice.

People have to look at all of this and make their own decision. I just thought you might find it interesting. This Alex Berenson in his Twitter feed took a screenshot actually out of this vaccine adverse events reporting system of this 45-year-old patient who got the Pfizer. It's interesting because it describes it, and specifically if I have a moment to just say this, patient experienced a headache within four hours of vaccination, took recommended dose of Tylenol four hours after that, so eight hours after vaccination. He was still experiencing extreme headache and also vomiting and took another dose of Tylenol, was still feeling poor at 1 a.m., but coherent and talking, not thinking that it was serious enough toward going to the hospital as he believed it was just a bad headache and the vomiting was from the headache.

At 6 a.m., he was found blue slash dead in his bed. That's the description right off of the CDC's vaccine adverse event reporting system, but this is where the CDC has said, you know, looking at all the other information, we don't believe this had anything to do with. Yeah, just coincidence. Yeah, so now you all get to make your own decision when you hear something like this. Twyla Brace with us today on The Christian Worldview, the founder and president of Citizens' Council for Health Freedom.

Their website, which you should get familiar with and sign up for their e-newsletter, is I've also heard from people who have had covid already and then they still get the vaccine. Is there any reason to get the vaccine after you had covid? Because doesn't aren't you immune from getting covid for a certain amount of time after you've had it? Well, if you've actually gotten covid and particularly if you have the real symptoms of it, as opposed to just getting a positive test and not having any symptoms at all. But if you've had real symptoms and clearly the classics, if you get nothing else that you lose your taste and your smell.

Right. That's pretty classic for it in most illnesses. And I haven't heard that it's any different in this. When you get the real thing, then it's stronger than any vaccination would be. And so, you know, people are debating this. The government is like, you know, even if you got it, you know, take the vaccine.

And you just got to wonder why. I think you just got to wonder why the push to have those who have gotten the illness to actually get the vaccine. You've segued perfectly into the last question is scientists and doctors and drug companies and the government. There are smart people there and they know that this covid vaccine is not actually a true vaccine.

You're correct to make that distinction every time here today. It's an injection. It's a gene therapy called a fake vaccine, but it's not original definition of a vaccine. They know that it doesn't inoculate people from getting covid like a vaccine does.

They know that masks and distancing and lockdowns have had very little effect. They know that ninety nine point nine percent of people survive when they do get covid. That's not a pandemic.

They probably know, I would hope, that early treatment, as we talked about previously in previous weeks in the program, from that Association of American Physicians and Surgeons guide on early treatment for covid, they must know that some of the recommended medications there from Ivermectin to Zithromycin to Prednisone and other ones, that that saves people's lives when they do get covid. So you brought it up in your last answer. So why all the propaganda, strong arm messaging constantly on getting this so-called vaccine? Well, I think it's probably multifaceted.

One professor or no, I think his biologist, Michael Yeadon, he he's called it opportunistic convergence or convergent opportunism. I can't remember which one it was, but this idea that a lot of people see opportunity and what has happened here. And when it comes to the government entities, I think what they're looking for is this is an opportunity to take away the right of individuals to say no to any vaccination that the government says that they should have. And so if they can push this, if they can force everybody to get the vaccination, it sets a precedent against vaccine choice, against parents rights to say no to vaccinations for their children or to wait, you know, a longer period between vaccines.

That's what lots of parents want. They don't want it all together. They want their children to have it in a in a longer span of time. And so they see an opportunity here to set a precedent where they can force everybody to have every vaccine that they want people to have. But I think that pharmaceutical companies and those who are making money off of this, of course, they see a real opportunity here to sell their product and to make this successful for the government. I think those are there are people in the Biden administration who want this to be their success and that they've managed to do this, get everybody vaccinated, because, you know, what if the thing just goes away and only, you know, the disease just goes away and only 50 percent or less of the people were vaccinated? Well, that's not going to help them the next time to get everybody vaccinated if people figure out that it will go away on its own. And then, of course, there are people like in the government who are getting part of the money from the patent that they have over the coronavirus, that they have with Moderna. And then there's just the people who want to go back to normal and they want their all their employees back. They they just want everything to go back to normal.

They're they're losing their businesses or they're losing their profits or whatever it is, you know. And if everybody just took the vaccine, well, we'd be back to normal and then they could be profitable. So I think there are many, many agendas here for why it's being pushed. People perceive this, quote unquote, vaccine for COVID to be, well, it's really no different than, you know, measles and mumps and rubella and polio and those kind of vaccines that public schools mandate for children to be able to attend school. So how is this really any different than that? We already have mandates. If you want to have your child go to a public school, you have to have one of these these vaccines. So what's the difference here? I think there are two differences from the schools. One is just to remember that in most states and in most school districts, there are medical exemptions and often they're just conscientious personal exemptions.

And those are allowed. There's only a few states now moving to take away all exemptions and all rights of parents to protect their children from what they see as an infringement on parent rights, but also on, you know, patient rights and just individual rights to say no to vaccination. But the other thing is, again, this is not a vaccine. It's not a vaccine. Nobody knows exactly how it works.

It's all the science isn't even behind it. We don't know what the long term effects are. It's been emergency authorized. It's not actually been approved.

So there's a lot of things that are very different about this. The clinical research is not going to be done until 2023 to even know what to think about what happens, or even the semi long term effects of this so-called vaccine, which is only an investigational drug. So why should someone who has taken the vaccine, whether it's an individual or a civil servant, why should they be concerned about someone who chooses not to take this so-called vaccine? I mean, after all, they're protected and it's really the person who decides not to get it. They're the ones that are potentially, quote unquote, at risk for not getting the vaccine. Why should they care? Someone who's vaccinated should care if someone who's not vaccinated is refusing to get the vaccine.

Right. That is a very good question. And that is the very same question that's happening in the measles debate, because in that case, what we're finding out is that people who had the measles vaccine actually got are getting measles. So it's turning out to not be a real vaccine at all for, you know, different people. And so this whole idea of mandating something that is not actually working, I think should be troubling to everyone. But it's still troubling no matter what to have the government mandate anything foreign that has to be injected into your body.

There should always be the right to say no. They should not be concerned about be about those who are unvaccinated. I think there's just sort of this herd mentality. I hate to say so, but I feel like that herd mentality is there for the vaccines and for the masks. Like, why don't you have to get vaccinated or why aren't you wearing a mask? I feel like it's a herd mentality. In reality, the facts would point to if they believe in the vaccine that they received, they should be as worry free as they come. So the real question is, do they not believe or are they just perturbed that you don't want to participate? You don't want to join in this movement.

I'm uncertain exactly where people's minds are at, but I do feel herd mentality has something to do with this. Thanks to Twyla Brace for joining us today on the Christian worldview. Again, just a reminder, go to their website, They produce lots of great content. They have videos that will keep you informed and updated on everything to do with COVID-19 and healthcare freedom. One more website to go to is That's

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Short takes are also available, and be sure to share with others. Now, back to today's program with host David Wheaton. Now let's quickly transition over to Mike Gendron. He's going to talk about a range of issues, including how the pope figures into the global health situation, and also what's on the horizon as far as biblical prophecy. But we start off our conversation with a very troubling situation that happened recently on one of Mike Gendron's airplane flights. Mike, thank you for coming on the program. I want to start out by reading a couple paragraphs from your recent e-newsletter that you send out through your ministry proclaiming the gospel. You write about an incident you had on American Airlines, a flight up to Chicago, and then by extension you were speaking in Wisconsin.

I want to just read a couple paragraphs, and then you can tell us more. You said, last month I was the victim of peculiar injustice when an American Airlines flight attendant filed a report that falsely accused me of refusing to wear a face mask. The accusation was fallacious since I wore my mask throughout the entire flight, except when I drank a cup of water. Furthermore, none of the flight attendants spoke to me throughout the two-hour flight.

Two days later, after I delivered four messages at a conference in Green Bay, Wisconsin, my wife and I were dropped off at the airport. When we checked in for our flight, I was shocked to find out I was now banned from flying on American Airlines until the mask mandate is lifted. This outrageous injustice by American Airlines caused us to get a hotel room and fly home on another carrier at a cost of $600. The day after we arrived home, I received an email from American Airlines corporate security saying, quote, due to a recent incident regarding our policy on face mask coverings between Dallas-Fort Worth and Chicago, future travel on all American Airlines flights will be denied, unquote. I immediately contacted customer relations and asserted there was absolutely no incident involving me or my wife. This is a false charge that needs to be dismissed. After a week of pleading my case and asking for due process, corporate security still refuses to return my calls or take me off their, quote, no fly list.

Last paragraph. Adding to their injustice, they have refused to refund our fares for the return flight that I was banned from taking and refused to provide me with a report of the so-called, quote, incident. This is indeed a strange way to run an airline and an outrageous and disgraceful way to treat a once loyal longtime customer with nearly 2 million miles flown. When I heard about this, Mike, I just couldn't believe it. So I'd like to ask you, are there any more details or updates or thoughts on why this is happening? Well, the more that we have talked about it and put it on social media, this has gone viral throughout the world. In fact, not only on social media, but many of the Christian news sources have been picking up the story and also radio and TV. I've been on different Christian radio shows like your own. And it just seems like there's such an outrage among Christians because we sense that all of our freedoms are being taken away, that there's an attack on those who stand for the truth, and especially those who stand for biblical truth.

I'm not sure why this happened. A lot of speculation is that it was a Chicago-based crew. And so, as you know, Chicago is heavily Roman Catholic. There's been speculation that people have recognized me, and so they wanted to retaliate against our ministry. It really tries to reach out with the truth of the gospel to Roman Catholics throughout the world.

And so this would be offensive to many Catholics. And so there's speculation that that is what caused this false report. It's amazing to me how one flight attendant has that much power to actually ban a customer of 53 years, who, as you said, I've had over 2 million miles, or close to 2 million miles.

It's just mind-boggling that this can take place with no due process, with no means of appeal. We do know that a Christian friend has contacted American Airlines CEO Doug Parker. He is now aware of the incident.

And so we're hoping and praying that this can be resolved amicably, and that we can get back to doing ministry out of Dallas-Fort Worth on American Airlines. But at this point, I am just stunned that this could happen. I've recently had people tell me that Fox News has reported that Joe Biden has actually been putting people on the no-fly list through his government agencies that have been Trump supporters. And so we see not only religious persecution here, but also against conservative people that have supported a different president in the past.

Thank you for that update, Mike, and we'll be continuing to find out. I mean, there's no due process here, there's no evidence here that they've even presented. That is the crazy thing about this. There's no pictures of you without a mask. It's just an arbitrary decision by someone at American Airlines that just got you banned, which is just unbelievable.

What country are we living in, Mike? David, we've even asked for an incident report, and they said that they will not give me one. And so they won't even let me know what the incident was about other than violating a face mask policy, which I did not do. And so there was another American Airlines employee that said there's no record of any incident at all. They checked it and they couldn't find it. They couldn't even find my name, and they had to call back and get my Advantage number.

That's the only way they found any record of me. We're resting on Romans 8.28, that all things, including this, work together for good to those who love God and have been called according to His purpose. One of the good things that's come out of it, we had an Italian missionary email me and say, I'd never heard of you or your ministry, but when I read about the account with you on American Airlines, I searched your website, and I emailed you to find out if I could translate all of your gospel tracts to reach Roman Catholics into Italian.

And so this would not have happened had that not been for the American Airlines incident. So we're praising God for the good that's come out of it. And you write about that in your e-newsletter.

We're going to get to that later in the program today. You wrote also, you said, God will one day glorify Himself by establishing His kingdom here on earth as it is in heaven through the Lord Jesus Christ. As the King of Kings, He, Jesus, will rule and reign over the earth for a thousand years from a throne whose foundation is righteousness and justice. Do you long for that day when servants of the King will no longer be treated unjustly and controlled by arrogant and unreasonable people who mock God's standard for righteousness? This longing for righteousness and justice is becoming more prevalent today among conservative Christians. Anyone who takes a stand for truth and morality has become a vulnerable target for the cancel culture movement in a government that seeks to control its citizens by taking away their freedoms.

Tragically, America no longer upholds its foundational pledge of liberty and justice for all. Yet, no matter how hostile the environment becomes and how much persecution we face, Christians are still called to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Mike, why do you think our society has turned so much away from God in His Word? I know this has been going on for decades, but it seems in the last year or so that there's been an acceleration, a descent into further God rejection.

Well, David, I think we find the answer in Romans chapter 1. Our nation has exchanged the truth of God for a lie. The liberals have gained their power by lies and deception and by suppressing the truth, no matter it be the truth of God's Word or truth in general. It's that truth that the liberals try to attack the most. They want to shroud the truth. They thrive on deception and evil deeds, and they're afraid that the evil deeds of darkness will be exposed by the light of the truth. And so that's why there's an all-out assault on the truth. And this is a spiritual issue with our country today. I believe that Satan's pawns are very active in our government today, and what the evil kingdom fears most is truth. So our nation clearly has turned its back on God, the God that has blessed this nation beyond any other nation. We do not acknowledge God any longer, so God has given us over to a depraved mind, and we know what happens with a depraved mind.

We have unrighteousness and wickedness and greed and evil and murder and strife. I mean, that is what our nation is all about right now. Because we've turned our back on the God that has blessed us, we've exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and deception is running prevalent throughout our country. David, I don't know if you've noticed, but even in the last four years, I think lies just run rampant. No one's ever doing fact-checking anymore. Anybody can speak a lie and it goes unchallenged. And so the liberal media has this channel of now sending out lies to where the average American is believing the lie rather than the truth.

And that's why our country, I think, is in such jeopardy right now. We have exchanged the truth for a lie. Mike, you talked about that God will one day glorify himself by establishing his kingdom on earth as it is in heaven through the Lord Jesus Christ. I think more and more biblical Christians, born-again Christians, are thinking about what is coming in the future and what the Bible says about that, and they want to be clear about that. I know the topic of eschatology, there are different views that people, Christians, take on the various eschatological views. But explain what you believe Scripture teaches about the rapture of the church, the return of Christ at the end of the seven-year tribulation, and the thousand-year reign of Christ, the Millennium, as you reference in your newsletter. Well, sure, David, and you're right, there are differing views, but I really believe the evidence within Scripture points to a pre-tribulation rapture. And the Bible talks about a rapture that is imminent from 2,000 years ago. Even the first-century Christians were looking for a rapture.

There are no signs that must be fulfilled for this to take place, but there are many signs that have to do with the second coming of Christ to establish his kingdom on earth, ruling and reigning from the throne of David, a throne that has its foundation, righteousness, and justice. So we long for the day when the Lord will descend from heaven, and he will catch us up into the air, all those who are born again of the Spirit of God. But David, what really concerns me is our church is filled with false converts, with people who profess Christ but have never been born again.

And tragically, these are going to be left behind, because only born-again Christians will be taken to heaven. And after the rapture takes place, then there will be a period of time—we don't know how long—before the tribulation will take place. And that's a seven-year period of time that is very terrifying for all those who are left on the earth, because this is when a false prophet arises on the scene and points to a man who declares himself to be Christ.

But we know from Scripture this will be the Antichrist, and these two men, the false prophet and the Antichrist, will lead the world into a period of peace. But at the midpoint of this tribulation period, the Antichrist will go into the temple of God and declare himself to be God, and that is called the abomination of desolation. And that's when he turns on the religious people that have worshipped him, and he now begins the great tribulation that will last for the next three and a half years. And that great tribulation will be so great that if the Lord Jesus had not come, then the human population would have been wiped out. But at the end of the tribulation, Jesus returns to the earth, and he saves the remnant of Israel. He comes for the salvation of the Jews.

In fact, we see in Matthew 23, Jesus sitting on the side of the Mount of Olives, he says to the Jews, You will not see me again until you say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And so when Jesus returns at the second coming, the Jews will look upon the one they have pierced, and then the remaining Jews will all be saved. And that is when the Millennial Kingdom begins, when Jesus is ruling and reigning from the throne of David. And that will be a period of a thousand years. We see that in Revelation 20, the thousand-year rule and reign of Christ is mentioned six times in that chapter. And so at the end of the thousand-year reign, then we'll have a new heaven and a new earth.

But that's what awaits us, and we're so thankful that God has given us eyes to see the future, because only those who understand Scripture really know what the future holds for the world. Mike, you just explained the premillennial view of eschatology of the future events, future times. There's also an amillennial view where there's not a literal thousand years. There's also a postmillennial view where Christ returns at the end of an unspecified amount of time. But we won't get into those today, but thank you for explaining that. Maybe we can do more detailed work on some of the other eschatological views at another time. But thank you for explaining what we believe as an organization as well.

We were on tracking with the way you interpret Scripture to be a rapture of the church, a seven-year tribulation, followed by the return of Christ and His reign over His creation, over the world for a thousand literal years before He destroys this earth and creates a new heavens and new earth for eternity. Mike Gendron with us today here on the Christian Real View Radio program, an evangelist, the founder and director of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry. is their website. I highly recommend you subscribe to their free e-newsletter.

Just go to their website, to do that. You wrote, Mike, in one of your newsletters about the pope. Much of your ministry focuses on outreach to Roman Catholics, of which you were a Roman Catholic, I think for the first 35 or 40 years of your life. And you write that Pope Francis, the current pope, the first Jesuit pope, continues his globalist agenda with a conference on global health in this month of May. Jesuit-trained, listen to this, Dr. Anthony Fauci, along with Chelsea Clinton and the CEOs of pharmaceutical manufacturers Moderna and Pfizer, will be among the speakers. Both Pope Francis and Fauci are disciples of the Jesuits and collaborate with other major players such as Jesuit Dr. Robert Redfield, former head of the CDC, and ecumenist Dr. Francis Collins, who is head of the National Institute of Health. The conference may need to address the Vatican's statement that it is, quote, morally acceptable to receive COVID-19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process, unquote.

More than 100 speakers, some of whom hold views diametrically opposed to church teachings, will speak, including New Age guru Deepak Chopra. Now, whenever we talk about Roman Catholic doctrines and teachings and so forth, I like to make a distinction between that there are many well-meaning, very nice Roman Catholics out there who just probably don't understand or haven't been exposed to the unbiblical doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and its leadership. So, Mike, remind us about what the Jesuits actually believe and how this pope is part of a global Marxist agenda. Well, sure, the Jesuits were formed in the 16th century at the Counter-Reformation. They were considered the secret police of the papacy, and their stated objective was to destroy all opposition to the papacy and to the Roman Catholic Church. And so you had a lot of the Reformation people were put to death by the Jesuits.

In fact, one of the most terrifying times was the St. Bartholomew Day massacre when the streets of Paris were ankle-deep with the blood of the French Huguenots who were born-again Christians, and the Catholic Church had them put to death. For those who put people to death, put Christians to death, they were given a plenary indulgence by the papacy for murdering born-again Christians. And so they have a history of putting to death anything that opposes the Roman Catholic Church and the papacy. And so now you see that the pope is a Jesuit for the first time in papal history. And you also mentioned that we have Fauci as a Jesuit who is working hand-in-hand with the pope to bring about a global health organization.

In fact, they're having a conference this month. And Pope Francis has a philosophy of progressivism, which implies human progress will lead to paradise on earth and the perfection of man. You see, David, the Roman Catholic Church view of eschatology is that Jesus will not return to the earth until the whole world is Roman Catholic. And so that's why you see the pope pushing this ecumenical agenda and this global religion and a global government. And so his recent letter, Humana Commutas, it's stated that there is a obedience that is demanded by the pope through conversion of thought. And this involves changing what the reader knows in exchange for what Rome tells you to believe, regardless of reality.

I mean, doesn't that sound like where we are today? The motive for our common responsibility is for the common good, where all rights, including property, are placed second to the interest of the papal see. And so this is the papal agenda.

It is social Marxism. And we have a lot of willing pawns that are going along with this agenda. You mentioned Redfield and Tony Fauci.

We also have Governor Cuomo and Governor Newsom. They're all Jesuit-trained. And so this was one of the strategies of the Jesuits to take over the world through education.

And they've been very good at that, establishing a lot of high schools and colleges and universities, but also establishing hospitals throughout the world. So we can see their agenda has really come to fruition and that this global agenda now is in place for the Jesuits to take over. Well, we are out of time for this week, but the good news is we have part two of our interview with Mike Gendron coming up next week. Mike is so good on the issues of the biblical gospel that sinners are justified by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Apart from any trust or faith in our own human efforts, this is what his ministry is devoted to proclaiming. Again, their website is Thank you for joining us on the Christian Real View today, and thank you to so many of you who encourage us with your kind notes and your support as well.

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