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The RFK Threat with Sen. Ron Johnson

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October 25, 2023 5:00 am

The RFK Threat with Sen. Ron Johnson

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October 25, 2023 5:00 am

A lot of Republicans think Robert Kennedy Jr. is a threat to Joe Biden. But as an independent running for president, he's likely a much bigger danger to Donald Trump. Sen. Ron Johnson is the GOP lawmaker most familiar with the Covid dissidents who may be attracted to voting RFK. He explains to Charlie how the GOP can avoid a Kennedy disaster in 2024. Then, he weighs in on the Gaza War and whether Iran bears ultimate responsibility for it.

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That is Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Brought to you by the loan experts I trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at Senator, thank you so much for taking the time.

I do not envy you. I got to ask, Senator, you know, when is the Senate going to actually do some business? Like, all the fun is in the House. You know, I'd love to see the Senate pick up these, you know, funding bills and, you know, really get to work. I know there's been some stuff happening on the committee side of things, and I know you have been advocating for the Senate to really have an honest budget.

You know, you've been in the Senate for over a decade now. Can you explain to our audience actually how budgeting is done? It seems just one continuing resolution tied to the other. Well, Charlie, well, the way it should be done is a budget should be passed early in the fiscal year, and then that budget should guide an appropriation process, and we should be, they'll bring these appropriation bills to the floor April, May, June, July, well before the end of the fiscal year, which closes out on September 30th, but that's not what happens.

So as grotesquely dysfunctional as Washington, D.C. is, you have to understand there's a very well-honed process for plundering and mortgaging our children's future, and we're seeing it play out right now. You don't bring up appropriation bills. You wait until right before the end of the fiscal year, then you start claiming there's going to be a crisis of government shutdown. You pass the CER.

You have that expire right before holiday. That probably won't result in anything. You'll have to pass another CER that's going to expire right on Christmas Eve, and so Chuck Schumer will then write a multiple thousand-page omnibus bill. People just want to get out of town, enough Republicans to join Democrats to vote for it.

It gets taken care of in a couple days, and people move on and they forget about it. They don't even worry about the fact that we're 33 and a half trillion dollars in debt. So that's the current process. We're trying to break that process, but again, that's quite honestly what I think conservatives in the House are trying to do as well. Yeah, so what is your take on the Speaker of the House race? I know you're not going to weigh in necessarily on personnel selection, but it would be helpful to Senate Republicans if the House said, we're not just going to do business as usual. And Senator, you know, the people of Wisconsin reelected you decisively because they don't want that multi-trillion-dollar deficit to continue. We're going to post a two-trillion-dollar deficit minimum, and most members of DC are just perfectly okay with business as usual. What support could you receive then from the House to make your job easier in the Senate?

Well, first of all, I was a big supporter. I'm a big supporter of Jim Jordan. I think it's really unfortunate that he's not Speaker. He would have been a true fiscal conservative and a very practical one. Both Jim and I, under the debt ceiling fight, said, we'll increase the debt ceiling if we've just passed Preventing Government Shutdown Act, so we can get rid of these shutdowns for all time.

So he's a very practical individual. It's unfortunate the House didn't elect him Speaker. Hopefully they can come up with some consensus candidate. But what the House should have been doing, and quite honestly Republican leadership in the Senate should have been working with the Speaker, to urge the House to pass appropriation bills starting in April, May, June, and July. And then once they passed an appropriation bill, and I would always start with defense, you know, send that over to the Senate, and then Senate Republicans ought to just be badgering Chuck Schumer. Let's bring it up. Let's get it on the floor. That's what we should have done.

We didn't. That's why we're in this well-honed process of, you know, probably going to have to pass some kind of omnibus. But next year, at a minimum, let's start that process a lot earlier, and we'll need a Republican House to lead the way because appropriation bills have to be initiated in the House.

There really is nothing the Senate can do until the House passes its first appropriation bill. Senator, when you came and spoke at our Turning Point USA event nearly 10 years ago at UW-Madison, you had a PowerPoint presentation, I'll never forget, and we were thinking about as a nation to borrow a couple hundred billion dollars, and it was a real big concern, right? Can you just kind of go through just some of the back of the napkin math of how unbelievable a $2 trillion deficit is, different than a $33 trillion structural deficit? Just walk our audience through, what do these numbers mean, not to mention the interest payments alone?

Well, just a quick history. 2002 was the first year we passed the $2 trillion total government spending Rubicon. Seventeen years later, the FY 2019, before the pandemic, we spent $4.4 trillion. Then, of course, during the pandemic, that was an emergency, right?

Don't let a crisis go to waste. And the Uniparty didn't, so then we spent $6.3, I think $6.5, $6.8. We pretty well now settled on a baseline spending of $6.4 trillion, which is $2 trillion more than we just spent four years ago. Had we just taken 2002 spending and grew that spending by a reasonable amount, let's say population growth plus inflation, last year we would have spent just under $4 trillion and we'd have more than a balanced budget. We'd have a surplus, but that's not Washington did.

Again, we've got a problem with the Uniparty. We have enough Republicans who love spending money as well, and we just don't have fiscal restraints. So, interest is doubling. It's I think $700 billion this year. A couple of years, it'll probably be more, we'll spend more on interest than we spend on social security.

That's not too far away in the future. And of course, if you want to save social security, you've got to get our deficit spending under control, or we will not have the financial wherewithal to plus our benefits to honor those promises we made when the trust fund expires. Isn't that the great irony of the whole thing, which is that if we don't actually make tough fiscal decisions, the thing that the other side is always fear-mongering over actually might not be financed or funded, the stuff that government should actually do. So, Senator, shifting gears for a second here, RFK Jr. is now running as an independent.

Let's just talk about your state of Wisconsin. Do you think that that would help or hurt the Republican cause, knowing the voters of Wisconsin, knowing that, you know, there's a lot of people that do care about medical freedom and you were the best Senator alongside, you know, Senator Rand Paul, to hold Fauci accountable and talk about vaccine adverse events and side effects. Do you think RFK Jr. will help Republicans, help Democrats, or maybe just a little bit of both?

It's very difficult to say. My instinct is he might hurt Republicans more because the only place he gets exposure is on conservative outlets. That's true. The mainstream media, the leftist media, is completely ignoring him. So, most Democrats probably don't even know he's running for president, or Republicans do, because we have different podcasts that are open, you know, to both sides and they're willing to listen to his viewpoint. And there's an awful lot of things that RFK Jr. is talking about that conservatives agree with. I think there's things that we'd probably disagree with. But at least he's being able to, he's being given a forum on conservative outlets. We don't have the cancel culture like the left does. You know, and my fear, Senator, is that, you know, RFK Jr. will peel off some of the people that are otherwise would vote Republican that still have some anger post-COVID.

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I mean, an extra couple hours in the Senate. What's your take on this? First of all, the funding for Israel is going to be pretty uncontroversial. I think most people support it. Even with that, I'd want to scrutinize it to make sure this is exactly what Israel needs and we don't have to spend billions more that they don't need right off the bat. But if you combine with Ukraine, and whether you agree or disagree, Ukrainian funding is more controversial. And the other part of the problem with these supplementals is the Biden administration will throw a wish list. So their border security isn't for border security. What it'll do is it'll pay for more processing, more dispersion of illegal immigrants. It will fund sanctuary cities, which is another incentive, another draw for more illegal immigration. So whatever the Democrats oppose will be awful. And so it's better to strip all these different elements out, debate them separately and pass them separately.

There's no reason we couldn't do that. And so, Senator, have you been receiving briefing or intelligence that is satisfying you regarding the Israeli conflict? And do you believe that Iran was behind the massacre of Jews that happened two and a half weeks ago? Well, whether they're directly behind it, directing it, I'll believe that we really don't have solid intelligence on that, but it's obvious that Iran is the largest state sponsor. Terror, Hamas, Hezbollah, you know, the Shiite groups in Iraq, these are all being, you know, basically funded by, supported by Iran. And they encourage their activity and then they celebrate the massacres.

I mean, so in the end, it's Iran that is the main king player here and they're the ones largely responsible. There has been a movement, there's this very powerful article that came out yesterday, Senator, that says that, you know, the massacre in Israel is waking up the eyes of some of the woke in America. They're buying guns, they're questioning their previous opinions. You're seeing a lot of mega donors pull money from Harvard and Princeton, Yale and Stanford, which I'm pleased to see given the hotbed of anti-Semitism. My question is, are you seeing any change among Senate colleagues, privately, any attitude change where all of a sudden they're saying, huh, maybe we shouldn't have an open border, maybe there are sleeper cells in America? Because we're seeing the elite money circles all of a sudden have a little bit of a tone shift of, you know, on immigration, foreign policy, even kind of funding of colleges. Has that tone shift also occurred in the U.S. Senate from just on the last two and a half weeks being there?

Not that I've really seen. I mean, if we're going to get any serious border security, we're going to have to shove it down their throats, that they're not going to do it willingly, that they support President Biden's open border policy. And these are even senators that voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act. So, again, they are completely in lockstep behind President Biden. If they nod at all toward direction of border security, it's only because it's under extreme political pressure and the fear that, you know, a terrorist attack will occur here in America and it'll be undertaken by some who came through the Southwest border.

So they fear that, they fear the potential consequence, but they're really doing nothing about it to actually fix it long term. Are illegals being transported to Wisconsin, illegals being transported to Wisconsin, to the best of your knowledge? Because, you know, we hear about Chicago, we hear about New York.

Has that hit Milwaukee? Charlie, there are probably around six million people since the start of the Biden administration that have come to this country, either encountered, processed and dispersed, or as a known got away, about 1.7 million known got away. We don't know who they are. We have no idea where most of them are going. Obviously, where some of the governors are shipping them up to New York and Chicago, where they're concentrating is a real problem for them. But I think illegal immigrants are filtering all over the country. There are certainly pockets where they have, you know, previous migrants that provide some support group.

But I think they're all over America. We just had a recent report that the Biden administration is bringing in a bunch of Somalians to the Eau Claire area. Wow, is that the bottom line is this administration is not being transparent.

They're not telling communities at all what they're doing. So I just want to repeat that. I mean, Eau Claire is northern Wisconsin. I mean, that that's in that's northwest Wisconsin, in the interior of the state. How many Somalians are going to be going there to the best of your knowledge? I read a report, something like 75.

So not a mass number, but again, that's just kind of on the QT. I'm not sure who uncovered that. I just read a news report this morning about that. I mean, but let's be honest, that that will be all of America. That'll be 750 senator in a generation. Just I mean, that's it happens to grow very quickly. Look at Minneapolis. Right.

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Andrew and Senator, I don't know if you ever had a chance to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City, but right now it is overrun with illegals that have been transported from the southern part of the United States to the interior United States happening all over the country. And so we have a CR coming up. I know we talked about spending previously, but is there any, not advice, but how can we the grassroots help tactically to help us get any sort of border security done in this next measure? One idea was like, hey, if you want your Ukraine funding, we have to tie it to border funding. You said, hey, the Israel thing shouldn't be a problem to get approval in the Senate, but the border but the border thing is a problem to get approval? That's really weird, Senator, that the U.S. Senate would be super okay with, and they should, to send money to Israel, but not to secure our own nation.

That's strange. Well, again, just just quick fact. You've got Eric Adams, mayor of New York, saying that this is going to destroy New York or bankrupt it. They're dealing with 100,000 immigrants.

That's less than two percent of the six million that have come across during Biden's presidency. So, I mean, that's, I don't doubt what he's saying, but that's why we need to get control over this. I do think in terms of this war supplemental, certainly conservatives are asking that this all be split up to handle one issue at a time, but when you start taking up Ukraine for sure, we ought to be insisting on very strong border security measures.

And again, not nothing that we're going to compromise on. I mean, we need to dramatically increase the credible fear standards so it matches more an asylum claim. I heard recently that CBP said that less than, you know, 90 percent of people have come into this country haven't even claimed asylum. They don't have to.

They just get encountered, processed, and dispersed. That's travesty. So we actually need to change the law so that even in an administration that's trying to enforce the law, that credible fear standard is way too low. It's got to be something like, you know, more likely than not that they actually have a credible fear of being persecuted by their government and that their story is more likely than not true. That's a much higher standard.

We've got to do those types of things. We've got to return people that don't meet the standards, like the return to Mexico policy that actually worked. There has to be consequences for coming to this country illegally without a valid asylum claim and the vast majority coming.

As sympathetic as we may be with so many of them, they're not valid asylum claims and we shouldn't be letting them in. I totally agree. Senator, in closing here, Weiss is supposed to testify behind closed doors. I don't know if he already has to some people in the House. You have been a leader to really root out Biden corruption with the Marco Polo report and many different things. It seems as if that has not been primary front page news. In your personal opinion, what is the status of these investigations? Both you and Senator Grassley have been leading the charge on this and then also the subsequent FBI and DOJ cover-ups of the Biden corruption. Where do we stand? Well, again, I think Chairman Jordan and Comer are doing a great job of filling in the piece of the puzzle in terms of the corruption of the Biden crime family and certainly Chairman Jordan looking at potential abuses within the FBI.

Now, Charlie, I tell you, it's like pulling teeth, though. The deep state does not give up its secrets very easily and the FBI just basically stonewall. So, I mean, it's probably a good sign that attorney Weiss is coming in to testify, you know, and this will be transcribed, this will be under oath. So it's going to be difficult for him to wiggle around the discrepancy between his story and Merrick Garland's story. So I'm looking forward to see the transcript of that interview. Who's going to be conducting it? Will Jim Jordan be doing that or will it be House attorneys? Yeah, my guess is Chairman Jordan will be there, but they've got some good staff members that know how to ask questions, good investigators. So I'd expect they'll do a good job. Yeah, my guess is that he's going to have a lot of memory problems. That tends to be the case when you bring these guys in.

They tend to forget everything. Senator, thank you so much for your time and keep up the great work. Thank you. You too. Take care. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to For free 24 seven at and on local now channel 525.
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