Why Joe Biden Will NEVER Quit Voluntarily ft. Alex Marlow and Lee Zeldin

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. So people are saying, Charlie, how do I register voters? Super easy. You take out your phone and you go to tpaction.com slash vote and you find somebody not registered to vote and they fill out the form. It is easier than applying for a credit card. It is easier than purchasing an airplane ticket. It is tpaction.com slash vote. It is not complicated. If you have a driver's license in that state, you can do it virtually online. tpaction.com slash vote.

I do it every day. And especially if you live—we have Lee Zeldin coming in just a second—if you live in Nevada, if you live in Arizona, and if you live in Georgia, why are those three states especially important for voter registration? Because there are a lot of people that leave prior states and move to those states. Arizona especially.

Right near where I live, there are thousands of people coming in every single week. Moving in, not registered to vote, get them on the voter rolls. Joining us now is a great American, Lee Zeldin, former New York congressman, chairman of the Leadership America Needs PAC. Lee, I want to get into this topic of voter registration and ballot harvesting.

You're doing some wonderful things. We're working together across the board with America First Works and Project Z, some great stuff. Can you talk about the necessity, the emphasis that we are required to have on process, not just on politics?

Lee Zeldin. When you see a poll that comes back in a state like Nevada that says that we're up by two points, maybe we're not actually up by two when you factor in the increase of early voting, the increase of ballot harvesting. If we are not good with the mechanics of winning an election, these polls can be deceiving. You take a state like Pennsylvania with the universal mail-in balloting. If we don't heavily lean into these laws that are on the books, by the time we get to election day on November 5th, we will have already lost Pennsylvania. That's not just the electoral college votes for the presidency, it's a key Senate race, targeted House seats.

So in these states, when there's a proposal to change a law that we fundamentally disagree with, we should as strongly as we can passionately advocate for that change to not be made. But once the law is actually changed, we need to beat the Democrats at their own game to do ballot harvesting better than the Democrats do to the point that they regret legalizing it in the first place. We can lose this year's election on mechanics, and for anyone out there who thinks that this is red wave, red tsunami, that their optimism is an excuse for inaction, we will end up getting burned so badly and there will be concession speeches being delivered on the right that you don't want to see happen. So pretend every poll shows that we're behind no matter what, but to your point, we need to very heavily lean into the mechanics of winning a campaign. Lee, can you talk about in New York, about how in certain congressional districts, and California as well, where local activists realized that there was no choice but to play in voting month, actually resulted in certain Republicans winning in these contentious districts. Do we have evidence of where we can win by using these tactics?

Yeah, no doubt. In 2022, we saw in the blue states where we had a heavy Biden over Trump margin of two years earlier. There were Republican wins. As a matter of fact, in New York, there were six Republican freshmen who were elected in districts that Joe Biden had won in 2020.

It's outside of the city in these suburbs. We were flipping seats on Long Island, in the Hudson Valley, around Syracuse, and that's using the New York example, and in other states as well. Running as one team, one ticket. Winning campaigns, not by what we are saying we are against. Yes, it's important to outline contrast and what's wrong with Joe Biden and the Democrats, but telling voters what they are investing in, what we stand for, is key. Also, not resting until every last ballot is not just cast but counted.

Fighting until the finish is important. What I would say is this, inside of blue states where you feel like maybe it's too uphill to win the presidency, I would fight as hard as you can anyway and do as well as you can, but these down ballot opportunities in every state across America, we will determine whether or not there's a Republican House or a Democratic House. There's going to be Republican wins in deep red states that we know for certain now are on the way, but there are some of the best opportunities for Democrats to win back the majority, not in the reddest of states, but some of their best opportunities are inside of the bluest of states.

Yes, mechanics proved to be successful in 2022. They are going to be key inside of these states to defend these seats in 2024. Lee, it seems as if it's the missing piece that we win a lot of the debates. The American people are with us on issues. However, we must understand that Election Day is the last day of voting. Let me say that again. Election Day is the final day of voting, not voting day.

There are 40 to 50 days of voting that happened before Election Day. Lee, from a mechanical standpoint, what can everyday people do in the audience to engage in those mechanics? Because I get questions, Charlie, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do?

What does that look like, Lee Zeldin? Honestly, if you're looking for a job right now, and you're willing to dedicate the next few months, sign up today to go knock on doors for the rest of this campaign. If you are willing to leave your job and be able to work a job over the next few months of knocking on doors, getting involved at the grassroots level, we need you to. This partnership that we have seen with Turning Point, America First Works, other groups that are out there that are talking about ramping up key efforts for getting out the vote, it's critical. We need volunteers.

We need people to go to DonaldJTrump.com and sign up and give $5 today. Go join President Trump's grassroots team. We need everybody working together in a way that we have not seen on the right in a very long time.

We hear stories of a coalition that came together when President Reagan was running in the 80s. This is our moment of this generation in 2024 to do it for the first time since then, and the stakes have never been any higher. And learn about the laws in your particular state. We need people to sign up to be poll workers, to be poll watchers. We need volunteers to be able to closely observe their signature verification in states, and you can file objections. We need lawyers to step up and being willing to volunteer their services and possibly get paid if that's necessary, too. We need everybody stepping up, and it needs to start now, because as you pointed out, the election isn't on November 5. The election starts right after Labor Day. And I know this is something that Turning Point has been focusing on very successfully, is that we need to target the low propensity voters who are out there, and also the no propensity voters, the people who haven't voted at all, and advocate and get them involved in a way that they haven't been, even in the last presidential race. This is so important, everybody. This election will be won or lost on process. We are not equipped right now to play with the Democrats on process. We're doing our best. Lee Zeldin is doing a lot with America First Works. We are registering voters every single day. We are out in the streets.

It is a movement versus a machine. Joe Biden and his entire cabal, they're betting on their machinery, their apparatus. They might be right. They can outperform polls, by the way, by five or six points.

I've seen it. Now, Donald Trump is able to outperform polls, too, so maybe it will even itself out. But look what happened to John Fetterman, who was basically brain dead, who beat a great candidate, Dr. Oz, because we did not have any sort of apparatus, any sort of machinery in Pennsylvania. Every one of you can be the citizen force. Reliable, dependable and authentic. That's why you can't go wrong with precious metals. They've always had your back. Noble Gold Investments, American based experts, will show you how to set and forget your IRA or 401K. You'll get a dedicated professional assigned to you.

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As of right now, yes. However, there is a lot going on right now inside the Democratic Party to replace him. It seems like there's the most amount of noise about coalescing behind Kamala Harris as the alternative. But that is also a decision by the Democratic Party to make Kamala Harris their standard bearer for what they would hope to be the next eight years. Joe Biden picked the maybe only person in America who was incapable of upstaging him over the course of his term as president. To say that Joe Biden should be replaced by somebody who hasn't warned the public of what was clearly a massive decline in President Biden's abilities, we have seen Kamala Harris making her own mistakes and she is further to the left than Joe Biden is.

She comes with her own baggage, and I think that she would get hit hard and effectively quickly and be exposed as the unlikable, unfavorable alternative. So I don't see the ticket getting any stronger if they make that move, and it's not an easy thing for them to be able to pull off. So as of right now, if you gave me a dollar and I had to put it down somewhere, I would say it's on Biden staying.

But we'll see because there's a lot of growing pressure for him to step aside. So on this program, we are resolutely pro-Israel, and we believe that Israel is going to play a big role in this election. Lee, do you think that there is movement or opportunity to do better with Jewish Americans, specifically in the battleground states or New York or other places, given the recent fallout post-October 7?

Yeah, absolutely right. I mean, what we see with the anti-Semitism growing on the streets, inside of schools, in the halls of government, where people like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are given power, where there's access for others like Linda Sarsour, where you have Jewish students who are unable to be able to get to their class, blocked from a library because they are Jewish, and additional crimes being committed, by the way. It's one thing to talk free speech, and we have different opinions on important topics, but we're talking about all sorts of additional crimes that go way beyond the limits of protected free speech. So for these longtime Democratic voters who care deeply about certain issues that have emerged right now, aside from this, whether you care about having more prosperity for yourself, for your country, more safety for yourself and your community, if you want to have a more secure border for your nation, and now on top of it all, you see what's happening over in Israel and how it's come back here at home. You're watching what just happened with elections in the UK, where people are being rewarded for power, a party that has embraced individuals like Jeremy Corbyn and others in the UK, or in France, where you have seen people winning elections, of a party that has been embracing this movement that is increasing global anti-Semitism. At this moment, if you decide to put loyalty to the Democratic Party above these issues that are most important to you, as an American, you as a voter, as a husband or a father or whatever, you have to, at this particular moment, make that decision that there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. You need to step up at this moment and do what you believe is the right thing for the future of our country, and I think it's an opportunity for Jewish Americans to say, enough is enough. Those who are using October 7th as a rallying cry, those who are using Iran's attacks on Israel as a rallying cry, and taking over buildings and destroying lives, enough is enough. There's a most powerful message that can be made with your voice, with your vote, by doing something different, and voting for a pro-Israel, pro-Jewish conservative in President Trump, who showed from his policies to move the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, to sign the Taylor Force Act into law, to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, an executive order to combat anti-Semitism on college campuses.

We should be voting for President Trump this November 5th, and to your point, understanding this election starts after Labor Day. Lee, we're going to find time. We're going to have you come to Scottsdale. There's a significant Jewish community here that typically votes center-left, but they're moving, and I think that doing an event with you would be really powerful to get the message out.

There's a remarkable amount of swing state Jewish Americans, and they vote in huge numbers, as you well know, and traditionally the left, we need to change that. Lee, God bless you. Thanks so much.

Excellent work. Thanks, Charlie. Joining us now is Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and also author of Breaking Biden. Alex, you've been around politics for quite some time. You are an expert in all things Joe Biden too, being the author of the book Breaking Biden, which everyone should check out.

Do you think Joe Biden remains in the race? Yeah, I do, and Charlie, it's always great to see you. We're so proud of what you guys are doing at Turning Point. I know everyone couldn't be more confident in your efforts in the vote-chasing, etc. So thank you so much for all of that, and Tyler and Andrew, your whole team is fantastic.

But yeah, this has been just an absolute blast for me. I'm flying very close to the sun here, Charlie, because I think I'm the person on the right who's been the most vocal that Joe Biden, under no circumstances, would ever exit the race. So I'm really right on the edge here, but I still back that claim. There's just simply nothing in his character that's ever suggested that he would be willing to step aside, and none of the major voices that could potentially push him out or convince him to step down have stepped up, because most of those voices are in his family. That's who he really looks at. You might have saw his speech today or his call into Morning Joe talking about how he is contempt for the elites and how he's not listening to the elites. He really believes this. He doesn't see himself as an elite, even though he's been partially running the country for the last 50 years.

He looks at his family, and unless they're going to step up and say, hey, dude, you got to get out of here, his inclination is going to be to stay in the race. There's only a few names to look at. It's Zients, it's Ron Klain, it's Jeffrey Katzenberg, it's maybe Barack Obama. There's only a handful of people that could convince him to step aside. None of those people are out there.

Reid Hoffman's another big name. These guys are not out there right now saying he's to go. Nancy Pelosi's a big name.

We're not seeing that. The people who want him out are people who have an ulterior motive. And until something breaks in that tiny core group of people, he's here and he's probably going to go down bigly.

So Alex, I want to zero in on one thing you said here. There's nothing in his past that shows that he will go away. I've heard this from another New York Times reporter I was talking to over the weekend.

And I don't think this story has been told enough publicly, at least recently. I never thought of Joe Biden as being as stubborn as a mule. I thought of him as being a lot of things, of being craven and being opportunistic and ambitious. But he is headstrong, willful, almost obstinate. Tell us about that.

Yeah, this is so right. Think about his past. He should not have won his first Senate seat back in the 70s. He won that seat probably because the Mafia got involved and he was a huge upset. He should have died during the 1988 presidential campaign that he ran.

He threw aneurysms in his brain. And because his campaign was so anemic and he couldn't stop plagiarizing, it ended very quickly. If he had had any momentum on that campaign and he actually ran for an extended period of time, he probably would have died. He probably should have lost in 2020 if he was ever going to run. He really wanted Beau Biden to be president even more than himself, even though, of course, he always wanted to be president.

Beau had died and then he decided to run. I can't believe he won that race because the Democrats were totally incompetent. And he only beat Trump because of the pandemic, the coronavirus, etc. So he should not be here under any circumstances should he not be here. And when I talk about his family, I talk about he really does believe Hunter Biden's the smartest guy he knows. He's not joking around. So he's thought his whole life that he's been overachieving, that he's been overcoming obstacles, that the media has never helped him, that the so-called people in the know have never helped him, and he's ended up helping them. So he's not going to get pushed over.

And here's the biggest tell for me, Charlie, and I think you'll probably agree with this. Other than the fact that she has all these woke points, one of the major reasons Kamala Harris was Joe Biden's choice as vice president is because she's too stupid and incompetent to surpass him. He's a genius compared to Kamala Harris. No makes this point.

I don't understand why they don't. It's very obvious. Kamala Harris is not going to surpass Joe Biden and he's not going to pass the torch to her unless he absolutely has to. It feels like everyone that is listening to this thing, oh yeah, of course, of course that's why she's there. Because if he put someone who was a super talented politician, they could vault him. She could never do that, and that's partially why she's there, even though she thinks he's a racist and they don't really get along. And Joe Biden won't release that.

She still is holding on to this resentment that you called my husband a racist in a Democrat primary debate because of busing or something a couple of years ago that no one really remembers at all. Did you know fossil fuels are not the climate villains that the legacy media and establishment politicos ask us to believe they are? Did you know that 8 billion people will eat today because fossil fuels ran the sophisticated machinery that produced all the food necessary to do so? Or how they power the complex heating and cooling systems to keep people alive through extreme temperatures?

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Both are true. I think he absolutely has this weird way of rallying. I think that's the only reason why there's any credibility to the media shock at his debate performance. I don't know why anyone was shocked.

We were all sort of waiting for this to happen. But their claim that there was some shock is because he does seem to rally. He rallied for the 2020 convention. He rallied for the debates. Recall, he did much better in the debates against President Trump in 2020 than Hillary Clinton did in 2016.

They were kind of a draw in 2020. Trump kicked Hillary's butt. So I mean, it was he so Joe technically did better. So it was kind of surprising he couldn't rally and they couldn't inject him with enough stuff to get him up for the debate and that he totally airballed it. So that's why people were surprised, because in general, Biden does tend to rally a little bit. It's one of the things he does.

And the fact that he didn't do it makes it clear to anyone who's still holding on. He doesn't have a fastball. I mean, he doesn't have a curveball.

He didn't have anything. He has no pitches left. But then how do they get him out? That's way more complicated. And step number one is he doesn't want to stand aside.

So help me then understand if he's always he's at his best when his back's against the wall. What do you have to then say about the timing of the debate? What was Joe Biden and his mafia thinking about doing this early summer debate?

Because Alex, I mean, you're in conservative media. And leading up to this, we said this is going to go one of two ways. Joe Biden's going to combust and they're going to turn the Democrat Party into turmoil.

They're going to pull him or he's going to narrow the race and rally. We kind of saw it very clearly because we follow this so closely. The media's response and surprise is something we can explore. But what was Joe Biden thinking?

And what was his team thinking? Well, I think you saw eventually when they settled on some more productive talking points other than just the bedwetting and the diaper filling that we saw in the immediate aftermath. They started to pan it off as there's still four more months to go. It's early.

It's still the summer. And I think that they had planned on playing that card if it didn't go great. Now, it went so badly that sort of seems seems like it was a bad bet.

But I'm guessing that was their their calculus. A lot of people think it was because if he did so badly, they'd have time to kick him off the ballot. I think that's proven to be false because he did as bad as possible.

It was the worst debate performance in American history. So if the intention was to remove him, then he'd be gone by now because every day he's still on the ballot is a detriment to whoever the ultimate candidate is. So clearly that wasn't the plan, like some people theorized. So I think they think he could recuperate. He's got enough time to rally. And those of you in the audience who share my world view and Charlie's, which is presumably most people consider that they think they've got time to bounce back into this race. It seems so far fetched today from where we're standing.

How could that man possibly win or someone who has even been anointed yet possibly win? It seems impossible. Well, they don't think it's impossible in four months. They think they have plenty of time to round up all those ballots, Charlie, that you've talked about more than anyone and get them, stuff them into those drop boxes.

I'm in the minority here. I still think there's a 50-50 shot. I see a total path for Joe Biden. They get it close. They have a superior apparatus. They run tons of TV ads.

They micro target based on Roe. Maybe RFK underperforms the polls, which is completely possible. I mean, there's a path here. And if you don't think that, you don't understand presidential politics at all. And again, I say it's a 50-50 chance. And maybe the next debate, Joe Biden overperforms expectations and they get the chemistry right in the drugs that they give him and he does okay.

And all of a sudden he's the comeback kid and he has a little bit of momentum in mid-September. We don't know. Help me understand the media here. Alex, I made a joke this morning that the New York Times is actually harsher on Joe Biden right now than Breitbart.com. What is going on at the top levels of the media regime right now? Yeah, so what's happening with the media, and this is a great question because another thing people forget, is that Joe Biden has hated the media since 1974. He did an interview in 1974 with a reporter named Kitty Kelly for the Washingtonian where he came off as this lunatic pervert in the wake of his wife, Nelia, passing away in a car accident as well as his first daughter.

And Joe hated the way this turned out so much. And he regarded himself as a sucker for listening to the media and doing the interview. He didn't do another interview, Charlie, for almost 15 years, which sounds impossible in our modern day social media age. I mean, Trump has basically confined himself to true social for the last week and a half, so everyone's acting like he's disappeared off the face of the earth.

I mean, you may have noticed that this morning, that that's what people are doing. Joe didn't do an interview for a decade and a half. So the guy hates the media and always has. And so because of that, the media has not enjoyed access to the Democrat president the same way they did under Barack Obama and the same way they will the next time a Democrat ever wins the White House. So they saw their opportunity to try to move this guy along.

And they played along with him because ideologically they're simpatico. But overall, Joe hates the media and vice versa. So they would like for him to go. He is the least favored Democrat among the media. And I think there is this pent up anger of them not being able to cover the White House, you know, them being told, if you report on us, you're giving power to the fascists.

And I think it all just kind of culminated as a volcano that was ready to explode. We have heard from so many legacy reporters. They've gotten zero access. And Joe Biden declaring war on the news media and the elites. I was saying when he called in the morning, Joe, he's doing his best Trump impersonation, calling into a non-planned and non-scheduled cable news program in the morning, attacking the media, attacking the elites, saying, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to win.

I will say this. The iron law of modern politics is the rules of Trump do not apply to other candidates. So, Alex, am I hearing you correctly that it unless he has a break and ends up in a wheelchair, he is going to ride this all the way through with defiance, with anger. And it makes you wonder, is that the best way to win an election?

Alex Marlow. Yeah, it's absolutely not. It's not the best way to win an election. And it is going to take some sort of a miracle for him to win the election, in my opinion.

Now, I think those of you at home, I'm not a wrestling your laurels guy. We need to fight for every last solitary vote. And if you're not doing that, then you honestly don't take this country seriously. So take that into consideration that we cannot act like this thing is over. But, yeah, if his jaw falls out of his head the next time he goes to give a speech, it's impossible to see that he's he could win an election or even potentially stay as the nominee. But as of now, if they can just put a kickstand underneath him, there is nothing to indicate from my vantage point that he's going anywhere. I think the math is just clearly there.

I laid it out in the last segment. But truly, that is his hard wiring. And until someone makes the case that the next candidate will have a better chance of preserving his legacy to preserving down ticket members in Congress, that they will do better, no one's even making that case because they don't know if that's true. They don't have the data.

They don't have the evidence to suggest that it's imperative for the Democrat Party to remove him. And so someone's going to have to explain that to him, explain that to Hunter, explain that to Dr. Jill, the Surgeon General. Yeah, yeah, she's she's such a diet. Yeah, she knows that she's diagnosing. So we're running out of time here, Alex, I want to ask you, you've done more reporting. What is in your nonmedical opinion, how bad is his mental condition? And your book came out a little while ago and it's still really great, Breaking Biden. How much has his mental acuity declined in just the last few weeks or months?

Quite a bit. I've been the guy who's been barking focus on the corruption and the incompetence and not on the medical stuff. And even for me, I mean, it's totally night and day compared to four years ago. But remember this cognitive test stuff that he used to lash out at people for suggesting he ought to take a cognitive test. And he's always done this thing where he says, I take them all the time.

And this is I never take them. Obviously, this is a sign of a guy who's at least partially crazy and he's clearly getting much crazier. And there's nothing to indicate that he could serve for another four years or even another four minutes. Yeah. And I just the question is, is there ever a point where they pull it and maybe not your president. You have staff that tells you literally instructions walk on up to the podium, go on up to the podium and give speeches.

You mentioned something here. How powerful is Jill Biden? What role is she currently playing here, Alex, based on all of your research? The family is everything to him. And unless you start seeing breaks in that dam and there's really the brothers are on board. They're not as big players. The big players are Valerie, Jill, Hunter. Those are the big players. And unless you're seeing one of them step up and say, you got to go, then again, these are the people who deserve the blame. If we get saddled with Joe Biden again, look at those three people more than anyone else, because they're the ones at the best shot of convincing Joe that he's got to go. So if he's in it, Valerie, Jill, Hunter, those are the names you got to know.

That is a triumphant. Plug your book here, Alex, why people should check it out. Yeah, Breaking Biden is a New York Times bestseller. I spent a year and a half researching Joe Biden so that I could give you guys everything you need to know about him. I took him as seriously as possible, which some days was very easy.

Some days it was really hard to do that. But I think it's a comprehensive book that gives you all the arguments you need to go through the next four or five months in this country. So thank you so much for all your promotion of it, Charlie. It means a lot to me. Yeah.

Alex, we're going to have you back on. That was the that was the single best analysis and explanation of Joe Biden's psyche and history and connecting it to today. I've heard anyone go through that.

And Joe Biden has been through a series of moments where he felt that it was Biden against the world. And for whatever reason, it could be fate. It could be luck. It could be God.

He just happened to always squeeze it out. And it's kind of like saying, you know, I, I won Russian roulette four times in a row. I might as well try the fifth time as well.

We'll see how that works out, Joe. Alex, great work. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening.

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