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Thanks for having me on your show. As you probably know, I served in law enforcement for 44 years and had a chance. I started my career in Detroit where I was born. After being laid off, I went to California and I was with the Los Angeles Police Department for almost three decades. I rose through the ranks and then I fulfilled my dream of becoming a chief. I went on and became the chief at Portland, Maine. A lot of people say, how do you leave Southern California and go to Portland, Maine?

Well, that's a good question, but I did it. It was a great experience. I stayed there a couple of years. From there, I went to Cincinnati and became the chief of police. I stayed a couple of years.

In the state of Michigan, Detroit was going through bankruptcy. I had an emergency manager and I needed a chief. They asked me if I wanted to come home. The rest is history. I ended up staying eight years until I woke up one morning and I said, I guess I want to go into politics.

That's how I got started on the journey. As you probably know, I was in the last cycle running for Michigan governor, leading GOP candidate until I got taken off the ballot based on some petition signatures. After that was over, I thought I was, for the most part, done with politics. People kept saying, you need to run for governor again. Then when Debbie Stabenow left or is leaving, vacated or she's going to be vacant, people said run for the U.S. Senate.

That's where I am. I think when I look at the U.S. Senate compared to governor, it's just so much going on wrong with our country under this administration. You talked about it in your beginning monologue. Crime is out of control, but it is controllable. I'll give you an example.

Now, let's talk about 2020 post George Floyd. A lot of major cities were on fire, looting, police, you name it. What's going on in these major cities?

Groups of people converge, incited riots. They came to Detroit too. One big difference though, Detroit didn't burn. There was no looting.

There was no rioting. And there's a number of reasons for that. Certainly I can't take all the credit, but certainly I'm a leader who leads from the front. Those who converged on Detroit to wreak havoc knew I was there, knew I was not playing. I had men and women, the police officers who were ready to act when necessary.

And then we had a community. And, you know, Detroit's not naive to civil unrest. I remember 1967 riots from Detroit. But Detroiters said, no, you're an outsider. You're not going to come in and burn our city up.

And so they stood with us. And to this day, we're not seeing the same level of criminal activity that you see. Well, you saw what happened in Philadelphia just, what, last weekend? Two nights of rioting, retail theft, and then in D.C., who by per capita probably has more law enforcement just because it is D.C., and a D.C. or a U.S. congressman gets carjacked. And they've had 700 carjackings in D.C. And tell me why that's out of control.

I mean, I have the answers, but your viewers, your listeners, they know the answers too. Some of these blue cities have just some of these blue cities have just given up. And you got these woke progressive prosecutors that care more about the criminal and make them victims and the true victims of these cities. They don't get the support any longer. They just don't know. And the stories that are pouring in of young women, there's this one that from Baltimore, this young lady holds the door in the elevator for a guy who should not have been on the streets, who previously raped and he ended up raping and murdering her. It's just like it just is so sad. So I want to play a clip of you announcing your candidacy for Senate.

Play cut fifty five, please. Well, for years, James Craig was the chief of police in Detroit, Michigan. He rose to the job. He brought clarity and competence.

He served that city. What about those families? What about small businesses? What about the victims of crime? It's going to require strong leadership.

And that's what I bring to the table. These are individuals who are political servants, not public servants. These are tough times.

It's a bloodstream. Look at what's going on in our state. Our country is going in a bad direction. Americans want better, right?

And they want something different. And we're going to give it to them. James Craig has made some noise about getting in. Let the audience know you are running for an open seat in your state, right?

I'm Chief James Craig and I'm running for U.S. Senate. So you're running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, and what are the Democrats running on when it comes to crime? Are they even addressing the issue?

You hear crickets. You know, and I say, you know, when you talk when the defunding movement was at its height, of course, a bunch of lefties got on board with that and then they realized, oh, this is a bad strategy. So they backed off of the defunding movement, defund the police movement, but the damage was already done and is still done in many places. They can't hire enough police that are resigning, retiring. You can't retain them. So the damage is still done.

And, you know, but it's all over. I mean, police officers don't feel supported. Again, you know, the prosecutors are not supporting it.

The jails are revolving doors. You brought up the example of the sad tale of the woman being attacked by a repeat offender and should not have been out. There's stories after stories of that all over our country. And you know what's sad? The sad reality is, where's the accountability of the judges?

Where's the accountability of the prosecutors? Every now and then you get some cities that want to recall, like George Gascon and Los Angeles. Believe it or not, George Gascon and I came up in the Los Angeles Police Department together. He was a cop.

Wow. I'm curious, what changed, though? I mean, how do you go from a cop to doing what he's doing? What do you think got to him?

Well, I think what got to him, the environment, George Soros money. I'll say it again, George Soros money. You know, when you are a true public servant, and you know that you're working for the people, and that's what I bring to the table, I understand my role. It's not the other way around. The people don't work for us. Those are political servants. And so public servants work for people. And it's, you know, work for people. And it's a distinction from that.

And so, you know, when I look at, and what I learned through the course of my research, relative to the US Senate, they've never had a law enforcement or a police chief elect US Senate. And given what's going on today across our country, we need someone who understands what's going on on the ground, not to take anything away from those who have served as prosecutors, but they're not cops. So really quick. So Mr. Craig, we're running out of time. Just plug your website, please, so people can support you. Website is www.ChiefJamesCraig.com. Join me. Let's take back our country.

This is not just about Michigan. This is our country. So again, www.ChiefJamesCraig.com.

Let's take it back. Thank you so much, Chief James Craig. Really appreciate it. Thank you.

Thank you, Charlie. This has been overshadowed by four indictments, but it shouldn't be. Donald Trump is undergoing a civil trial in the state of New York brought to you by Letitia James.

This is so sick what is happening. And of course, not a single Republican AG across the country is willing to use their political power to investigate any one of the Democrats. Again, this is what's so interesting is that she didn't just do this through criminal means. She does this through civil means. And so she's doing this through an investigation via a judge without a jury, despite there being no victim saying Donald Trump defrauded the people of New York. So Letitia James, who campaigned on removing Donald Trump and getting Trump, deliberately engineered a legal case where a jury was not required. No jury. So then she could get the case in front of a very sympathetic judge. There have been reports attacking Trump claiming that he is stuck with a bench trial because he didn't require a jury trial.

That is a lie. Letitia James actively barred him from getting a jury trial because she knew a jury would be harder to get a conviction from. The case against Trump is called a fraud case. The way that fraud statutes are written in the criminal code, it is so broad, so broad.

And in this particular criminal code in on the books in New York, it is under section 6312 saying that there does not have to be a victim. Is that it's just if the government thinks that there was fraud, then it's fraud. So the judge issued a fine against all of Trump's lawyers and according to an experienced New York attorney we spoke with, the judge only did this because they were representing Trump. He never would have done this with any other legal team over the legal strategy they pursued. So yesterday, Trump was put under a gag order with the threat of jail time for criticizing various members of the court. One of James's goals is to extract hundreds of millions of dollars from Trump and suppose it gains from fraud. Man, this is just basically as simple as it gets. They can just find a political enemy in any state, put in front of a sympathetic judge, not even a jury, and take your stuff, take your wealth. So then there's an obvious question. Who did Trump defraud?

And that's the crazy part. Nobody. Nobody lost money because of Trump's business endeavors. Trump never used fraud to take out a loan he couldn't repay.

He has repaid every loan. There are no victims. Yet for this fake fraud case, the plan is to entirely destroy Trump. The judge has ordered the dissolution of the Trump organization and other businesses owned by Trump.

He's ordered them to name potential receivers to take possession of Trump's property. So here's what I understand, Blake, and you could message in that if the judge has already ordered this, why is there a trial? So it's an order and then a trial?

That's what I don't understand. I'm genuinely curious about that. How does the judge do orders of the dissolution of business and then you have to stand for trial?

So I'm curious about that. So this could very well end with actors controlled by New York State taking possession of Trump Tower. So lesson here is that you are a political enemy of the regime. They will shut down your business and seize your stuff. So I guess the trial is figuring out the penalty. The judge has already ruled that Trump committed fraud.

We'll say this before and we'll say it again. This is behavior of a third world totalitarian regime. If it happened in any other country, we'd say as much.

But many people in America don't care. They support this outright. Let's go to cut 31. Well, I think that was very good. That last five minutes was outstanding because the judge essentially conceded that the section of evictions that we want to be part of appeals is in effect. Therefore, about 80 percent of the case is over. So there's a statute of limitations issue. This could easily be appealed. But they're going after Trump's business empire. And this is an addition to that crazy E. Jean Carroll case, the Alvin Bragg indictment in New York, Fannie Willis in Georgia, Jack Smith with two separate looming federal indictments.

Has there ever been a man as targeted with lawfare as Donald Trump in the modern political era ever? The Democrats rejoice in this. The Democrats enjoy seeing the suffering of their political enemies. They will not stop.

It is power for power's sake. How quickly can we get our enemies in jail and take their stuff? Republican Party is not responding.

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We've got so many existential threats, and we must meet the moment. And the status quo certainly wasn't getting it, wasn't the answer. And we needed to disrupt Washington. And this was a win for the American people. This was a blow against the swamp cartel, the uni-party system that's been oppressing the American people. That's given us the $33 trillion national debt and a $2 trillion deficit this year with the Republican majority that has done very little in terms of truly engaging and throwing down, if you will, on the border issue or the weaponization of government against its citizens. And had a former speaker now who led us, I'll use that term led loosely, but led us in passing a continuing resolution on Saturday that the Democrats in the House voted 209 to 1, Senate Democrats voted 51 to 0. And that was just a few months after we passed an unlimited increase to the debt ceiling. Our Democrats overwhelmingly supported that because it allows us to spend as much as we want with no limit between now and January 25.

And, of course, the uni-party system is wonderful about coming together and spending your hard-earned taxpayer money. So it was it was a great day for America. It is a great opportunity for us to actually bring the kind of change that is needed to be brought in Washington. And I look forward to us selecting a new speaker here in the next few days. So, by the way, some breaking news.

Steve Scalise officially puts his name in the ring for Speaker of the House. We'll talk about that in a second. Walk us through the sequence of events, though, Congressman, because we were talking about 930, 930. Walk walk through what you and Matt Gaetz would call as the betrayal. What were you told was going to happen on 930? And then walk us through some play by play of how things actually unfolded. Well, I have to go back a little bit further to January.

Forgive me for going back to that again. But January, as we know, is historic with the first time in 160 years, members of Congress took their own political futures into at risk, if you will, and were willing to sacrifice their own ambitions and their own the safety and comfort of a congressional seat in order to challenge their own presumptive speaker to vote time and again for change in terms of leadership of the conference. And the reason that I primarily gave for that was we couldn't repeat the failures of the past, where Republicans, when we had majorities in the House in the last 15 years or so, we passed all the major spending bills, predominantly Democrat votes, something the Democrats would never and have never done. And so ultimately, Speaker, former Speaker McCarthy did prevail on the wee hours of the morning of January 7. And I pledged my personal support to him and told him, you know, I'm behind you, I want you to be successful, because the country needs you to be successful.

And we tried to work with him. And that was pretty strong through April, until the debt limit agreement where he passed that unconditional debt ceiling, you know, surrender to the Biden demands of no spending cuts in return for a debt increase. And then he promised Charlie to pass all or at least bring to the floor for a vote, all 12 of our spending bills, our appropriations bill, something that hasn't happened in 20 years, and that we would at least have votes on the floor and that he would, he committed to going back to pre COVID level spending for non-defense discretionary. Then he reneged on that, waffled on that, just in terms of trying to implement our conservative policies and cutting our spending to a very modest 1.471 trillion for non-defense discretionary. That number doesn't mean a whole lot to people, but essentially that would cut about $115 billion this year. Take our deficit from 2.2 trillion to 2.1. That's how radical we are.

But cutting 100 billion would be historic by congressional standards, because we never cut anything. But he waffled on that. He didn't bring the bills to the floor. We only had one out of the 12 come for a vote before we went to the August work period. And then we come back from August and there's no sense of urgency.

We were gone two weeks in September. We should have stayed there and completed the negligent work there. And we only passed or brought to the floor four more bills for a vote and three of those passed. So we go to September 30 and it was clear to me, actually on September 29 last Friday, that he was willing to do anything, anything to avoid a government shutdown. And when you're not willing to endure any pressure or temporary discomfort of a pause in the non-essential 15% of government operations, that means you're guaranteed to lose in any kind of negotiation for the Senate or the White House. And he proved that, and that was the final straw for me. He proved that with that continuing resolution, keeping all the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer policies in place for another 45 days, the policies that are crushing us fiscally and bankrupt in the country, and the policies under which the American people are truly suffering, as you know. And so it's clear that he was not going to keep his commitments. We knew he was probably not the change agent that we needed, obviously, but we had to give him a chance to demonstrate that one way or another after he was elected speaker. And so I compliment my friend Matt Gaetz for being the one who had the courage to go ahead and file the motion. I had let him know I would absolutely vote for it.

If anyone filed it, I was not going to vote to keep Kevin McCarthy under any circumstances. And, you know, we're trying to decide when was the best time to do it. When did it make the most sense strategically?

Matt decided it was Monday night. And I think that was demonstrated to have been the case. That was a wise move to do that.

So I want a couple of thoughts. Were you surprised that Democrats did not bail Kevin McCarthy out? Because when I was talking to Matt over the weekend, he actually thought that, you know, this is an important vote, but, you know, Democrats are going to do this. Were you shocked that it succeeded? Honestly, I was conflicted.

I didn't know. On the one hand, I thought, you know, Kevin McCarthy's kind of doing everything they want on the big stuff. I mean, we passed messaging bills out of the House that have no chance in the Senate. And he was trying to hold the Republican coalition there together to do this stuff that was just kind of messaging bills. But when the chips were down and we really needed him to lead on the debt ceiling and the appropriations process, he was MIA and was essentially doing what the Democrats wanted. So I thought, why wouldn't they just sort of protect him? You know, they could probably get some concessions out of him to do so. And because they could only do worse, I would submit with a Republican speaker. On the other hand, it was hard to imagine that they don't like Kevin McCarthy a whole lot more than any other Republican. And so I think I think there's probably some personal animosity towards him from the Democrats. And so it was also hard to imagine they would sort of try to bail him out.

But I just didn't know. I thought it was maybe 50-50. We were going to do what we thought was right and either force the Democrats to save Speaker McCarthy to demonstrate who he once again, who he really was and who he was working for, or to be able to vacate him by going ahead and having what we thought was going to be around 10 votes. We had 11, as you noted, that agreed to advance the motion to or voted against tabling the motion and allowed to proceed. Then we had ultimately vote to vacate. So I want to play a piece of tape here and I want your response. Newt Gingrich calling you a traitor that should be run out of public life.

Let's play cut forty six. Ninety six percent of the Republicans voted for McCarthy. Four percent voted against him from my position as a longtime Republican activist. They're traitors. All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. They should all be driven out of public life.

What they did was to go to the other team to cause total chaos. We ought to be focusing on Biden. We ought to be focusing on the economy.

We ought to be focusing on the border. Instead, you're going to get a week or 10 days of the media focusing on Republican disarray. It's an astonishingly destructive behavior by a handful of egocentric people who think they're superior to ninety six percent of the conference. So are you a traitor, feel superior and egocentric?

Bob Good. Well, Speaker, former Speaker Gingrich was equally critical of us back in January. He thought Kevin McCarthy was just a swell guy, was the perfect guy for speaker. And we ought to all just surrender our vote to the majority of the conference. And it didn't really take two hundred eighteen to become speaker.

You just were supposed to figure out what the pulse of the conference was and then fall in line and do whatever the majority did. So he opposed this back in January. I think he struggles to look at anything through his but through his former speaker lens is the way he sees it.

And I guess he didn't like it when members of Congress maybe had their own thoughts and didn't do what he told them to do as speaker. And so I suppose he's sticking up for his for his fellow former speaker now, Kevin McCarthy. So now there's a question of who should be speaker. Who are you going to support? It looks like Jim Jordan, Steve Scalise are two in the running, your block, if you will. Right.

Rosendale, you could put Roy Luna yourself. Which which candidate are you going to be more likely to voice support for? Well, I will resist naming any particular candidates, but I will say that we're going to be carefully vetting, challenging, testing these candidates. You know, it's funny, as you know, back in January and again, more recently, people, some of the media members say, oh, you don't have another candidate.

You don't have a plan. When anyone who knows how things work in Washington realized that as long as there was the presumption of a particular person to be speaker, that those who have stature or credibility or influence throughout the conference are not going to raise their hand and say, I will challenge the throne and risk whatever consequence to them would come from that. And that's not how you advance in the in the conference system and in the swamp system is by challenging leadership publicly. But what we knew as soon as Speaker McCarthy was dethroned, you have a number of members of Congress raise their hands and say they're interested, put their hat in the ring. In addition to the ones that you've mentioned, you've got Kevin Hearne from Oklahoma and one or two others who are rumored to be candidates and who others have mentioned as candidates.

And I've had several reached out to me. And we're going to be vetting and testing them. The good news is, Charlie, we're going to have a contest and a competition as it should be. We'll have that on a smaller group levels between now and Tuesday. And on Tuesday, we'll have a candidate forum where they will have to present themselves at the conference, be held up to scrutiny and then to earn the trust and the support of 218 members.

That's the way it's supposed to work. It's not supposed to be a coronation. In closing, and I'm sure you're getting this question a lot, Congressman, what do you have to say to the criticism that you voted with the Democrat conference yesterday?

Some people are asking, how would you respond to that? Yeah, I don't have any control how the Democrats vote, but what I did was a vote for change in Washington to try to save the country. Again, we've got a small window of opportunity to do that. If you thought Kevin McCarthy was going to do that, that suddenly he was going to summon the courage and the resolve to fight in a way he never has in his entire career, except to be speaker. We just couldn't afford to continue. And it was clear after Saturday that this was an abysmal failure of leadership. And, you know, to stand against your own Republican Party when it's not being, I'll say, Republican enough or conservative enough or following through on its principles is far different than members of our own party who say they want to collude with the Democrats to pass bills that the Democrats want, pass legislation that the Democrats want or establish a coalition government with Democrats.

That's a totally different thing. Bob, good. We will be watching closely, for whatever it's worth.

I think Jim Jordan is an excellent selection. So that's my two cents for you today. Congressman Good, thanks so much. Thank you, Charlie.

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The house is without a speaker. And I want to push back on one of the narratives that is out there right now. And it's all over the place. Politico.com. And they say the rudderless GOP careens towards 2024. Kevin McCarthy's undoing underscores a bigger problem, the inability to govern itself that risks imperiling the party's chances in 2024. Politico.com.

Politico magazine. The house GOP is a failed state. Kevin McCarthy's ouster is a dramatic evidence, if redundant, about the modern state of the GOP. So there is some, obviously, there's a little bit of truth to these stories as it is usually with the media.

They'll find a sliver of truth and build an entire narrative of lies around a little kernel of truth. But what's the real problem here? The problem is exactly what we have been articulating on this program over the last 11 months, over the last 18 months since we've started this show, which is, this never would have happened. Motion to vacate what they're calling chaos, Newt Gingrich is calling people traitors. If the Republican Party was as conservative as their voters, none of this would have happened. And yet it is a mess. I'm not, Bob Goode himself said this was sad. You can take whatever you want out of it.

Sad, you could rejoice and all that. I don't love the media's characterization. They say inability to govern. Why is that inability to govern there? It's because there are proclamations and promises made to the base of the Republican Party that are never saw through.

They're never seen through, I should say. Ever. These proclamations, we're going to defund IRS agents and we're going to secure the border and we're going to do all these different things. And this is what's changed.

And this is what bothers me about Newt Gingrich is Newt Gingrich, again, is a friend and friend of the show and I hope he'll come on again. We just see this completely differently. But there was an old political environment that used to exist. And this was before shows like Steve Bannon, before Tucker Carlson, before our show, before Jack Posobick, before all of these different programs. The audience is smarter, more informed, more engaged, more aware than any other time.

And I've been very, very clear about this. OK, I've known Kevin for years. Kevin hosted our students hosted our students at the congressional in Congress this summer. He was very gracious, our student leaders.

And you guys should support that because you want conservative students to see Congress and all that. But Kevin disappointed me on some of the debt stuff. He disappointed me on 930. He disappointed me on J6 stuff. But I'm not going to do the anti-Kevin thing. You guys know my position there. He's always been good to me.

He's been good to Turning Point USA. But you can only play with the base so much. You can only play with the base so much without having some sort of a reaction. But Kevin, I think, was getting bad advice from Newt Gingrich, which was saying that, oh, just kind of ignore the base. What's different is you. Is that you're reading the appropriations bills, you're because of the advent of digital social media, because of more radio shows and more podcasts and more things that are available. It is harder to hoodwink the conservative base than ever before. And that is something that the old establishment.

Is just learning. And with all possible due respect, Speaker Gingrich, you just can't go on Sean Hannity's show and saying we're going to run people out of public life and they're traitors because you're basically attacking their voters when you say that. And this is the rise of the new right. This is my new book that's coming out, Right Wing Revolution, where I say that when I host this program. It takes hours of work. To be ahead of you, the audience, I have to know my stuff because you will correct a factoid, you'll send me articles, you'll say, no, Charlie, that's not right or this or that. That never used to be the case. Not to say that the audience wasn't engaged, but it was nowhere like this.

And so then when there is disappointment, when there is we're going to do this and we're not going to do that, we're going to do this and that falls short of the expectation, the base, the audience, the people pounce on it. And the regime and the old Republicans are shocked that there are millions of patriots that care, are informed, engaged and holding them accountable. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

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