The Feminization of American Christianity with Dr. John MacArthur

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Brought to you by the loan experts I trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandtodd.com. I want to kind of take you all back in time, back in time of 15 days, the slow to spread, back in time where the country was running in fear, we had to mask ourselves if you were going for a walk outside. I personally know that we reached peak insanity when I saw somebody, I was visiting California on the 405 alone in their car wearing a mask, because of course, COVID could come through the AM radio or something. I said, we, I said, Houston, we have a problem when that was happening, and we saw very rational people act irrationally because there might be this invisible virus that might come to you.

And harm you or potentially kill you. And almost overnight, there was this separation, a new caste society between essential and non-essential. And things were divided through very arbitrary means of either you're in the essential bucket or the non-essential bucket.

The essential was strip clubs, marijuana dispensaries, liquor stores, and big retailers. Non-essential was churches. This was an insult to those of us that were believers, and many pastors took it, but one man stood up and offered moral and theological clarity at the most essential time. It's Pastor John MacArthur who joins us now. Pastor, thank you so much for joining us today, and I'm thrilled about your new movie, essentialchurchmovie.com. Tell us about it, and welcome back to the program. Thank you, Charlie.

It's really great to see you again, be with you. Yeah, you know, when it became apparent early on in the quote-unquote pandemic that the dire predictions of death everywhere were not true, it became obvious to us that we wouldn't kill people by being together as a church. We decided we're going to open the church, and that's exactly what we did. And at that point, obviously, we came under the scrutiny of the state of California, the city of Los Angeles, the county health department. And to make a long story short, they did everything they could to shut us down, fine us, threaten me with imprisonment, take away our parking lot, post on the health website that there was an epidemic at Grace Church.

All kinds of things like that. So in response, we filed a lawsuit against the state, and the kindness of the Lord and the reality of the fact led to an amazing victory where the state basically caved in. Really, it happened in 24 hours. We said we're going to bring in the health officials, the leading health officials, and we're going to have a legal deposition, which is now bringing the law to play if you don't tell the truth.

We're going to depose them all and find out what the real facts of COVID are. And within 24 hours, they all caved in, cost the state $3 million in legal fees, and they basically ended the case. Nothing ever happened to Grace Church, and they literally came up with a permanent injunction that the state can never do that to Grace Community Church again. So it was a significant situation. The outcome, of course, was the goodness of the Lord and the help of the United States Constitution and the issue of freedom of religion.

Well, praise God. And so, Dr. MacArthur, I want to pinpoint something that I had from my perspective. You know, we do a lot of work with churches, particularly in Southern California, and many of the churches and pastors that we work with were staying open and fighting tyranny. But I could tell you, doctor, when you wrote on your website and I know it got publicized and went viral that Jesus Christ is the head of the church. It went it gave people the courage and the clarity coming from someone as well published and respected as you. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because there was a fair amount of theological confusion, in particular, people saying, well, Romans 13, you're not allowed to ever open the church.

You're not allowed to disobey or defy local government authority. Take us back in time to when you wrote that article, which I found to be so profound and impactful. You got hundreds of people sent it to me over the course of a couple of days. Dr. MacArthur. Well, look, that was not anything that we came to all of a sudden. I have a sense of history. I know the history of the church. I've studied church history for decades and decades. And the church has always resisted government tyranny. The church never succumbs the true Church of Jesus Christ.

The faithful never succumb to government tyranny. And we understand that the government is ultimately the persecutor. Of the church, I mean, your neighbor can't kill you and get away with it. The government can your neighbor can't put you in his garage and lock you up if he doesn't like what you say.

The government can. So they are the the arch persecutor of the church, the ultimate persecutor. And that that has led to ever since really the New Testament times persecution of the church.

So we had a lot of history to understand what the enemy of the kingdom Satan himself and all those who follow his lead were trying to do. And we knew they were trying to shut down the church. And to be honest, even if this was a black death or the bubonic plague, that wouldn't change anything.

In fact, they may even heighten the urgency with which the church would need to stay open. The idea of a virus, it became very apparent to us very soon that they were lying about the effect of the virus. And we knew that we knew that as a living lab because our people were meeting. And finally, the L.A. Health Department had to post on their website that there had never been a COVID outbreak at Grace Community Church, even though we had stayed together and hugged and and fellowship with each other and sang hymns and did all the things you weren't supposed to do. So we knew we knew what we needed to do was biblical. And we knew that the idea that we were going to cause some great, you know, death curse on our people was not the case. But again, I want to emphasize, even if this had been a genuine plague. His story will history will tell us churches and faithful pastors have survived through those kinds of things and minister with effect.

And maybe it costs you your life. I mean, that's the foundation of Christian discipleship. If any man come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross.

And that's that's an execution instrument and follow me. So it's never been a question of what do we do? What do we do?

The second thing I would say about it is this. We knew what to do because we wanted to be faithful to the mandate and to Christ, the head of the church. But secondly, we also knew that the Lord could use this as a moment in the history of his church where if there were faithful believers, it could it could give strength to the weaker folks who were vacillating. And that was part of what we wanted to do was take a stand and set an example that others others could follow. We knew the persecution would come, but we have complete confidence in God's ability to protect his church. Dr. John MacArthur is with us, essential church movie dot com. And that is the most important point you made that, yes, they were lying about the severity.

They were lying about it. But even if it was as lethal or even more lethal than they advertised, that is not a reason to shut down the gathering of believers. The ecclesia is more important when times become dangerous, chaotic and uncertain. Dr. John MacArthur is with us, essential church movie dot com. We're going to get into the film in just a second.

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Go to preborn dot org slash Kirk. So, Pastor, can you just fill us in a little bit to some of the objections you might have received privately from other pastors who said we should remain closed and that what you're doing is on loving. This is something that was in the narrative that you were not loving your neighbor, as Jesus said, is one of the things of all the laws of the commandments. Hang on them is as Leviticus 19 because you opened your church.

How did you respond to that and how should we respond to that? Well, first of all, just kind of building on what we talked about in the last segment of if we really loved our neighbor. And there was a death plague in the city or the country, we would ramp up the meetings of the church. Because if you love them, you care for their eternal soul. That is the foundation of the very reason for the church's existence in the world. It is in the world to proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ, and there could be no greater opportunity to do that than in a time when there is no overwhelming fear. And I think the enemy knows that, you know, in the name of not passing on a virus to your neighbor because that would be unloving. You withhold the gospel from him.

And let me tell you how practical that is. People had relatives who were dying in the hospital and families couldn't visit them. Pastors couldn't visit them. Nobody could go to them. I mean, they wouldn't let you in. We would have gone.

I endeavored to go. I got stopped in the lobby of hospital. When a person was dying of all the times when the church could go into action, it should be then. And here these hospitals were filled with people who were dying. Two of my brother-in-laws died within a two-week period because of the mistreatment that occurred in two separate hospitals.

Nobody in my family, none of us, could be by their side at that time. So if you want to talk about love in the crisis, that's love in the crisis. The church doesn't shut down to prevent people from catching the flu and then, you know, say, well, if they go to hell, they go to hell. I mean, that is an absurdity.

The other thing is that it's not something that you get to make a decision on whether the church is going to be the church. The second criticism we got was this. You know, MacArthur's using his ammunition on a virus.

That doesn't make any sense. He needs to save his ammunition for something really big, something really significant. If you're going to take a stand against the government, if you're going to be this belligerent and all, you need to really have a greater cause than a virus. And my response to that is, look, any attack on the church, any effort to shut down the church, we will respond. Somebody said to me, how do you choose which battles you fight? And I said, we fight all battle, every battle, every battle against the truth, every battle against the word of God, every battle against the gospel of Jesus Christ, every battle against the church. We fight them all.

We're not looking and saying, well, on a one to 10 scale, does this reach a four, and does that trigger our involvement? More specifically, they were saying, you know, MacArthur ought to wait until there's a big homosexual issue. Homosexuality is a biblical matter, and you can wave the Bible around on the sin of homosexuality, and that would be when to ramp up your fight.

And my response to that was, it's not like we get to pick the fight we want. We protect the church the best way we can, whenever it is attacked on whatever basis. So there was never any wavering in my mind on the fact that any assault against the Church of Jesus Christ calls us to immediate action. It's beautifully stated.

And I just want to reiterate the point. There were so many pastors that were confused and some that were scared. When Dr. MacArthur spoke out, it impacted thousands of pastors and thousands of churches and hundreds of thousands of Christians in person and millions of people online. One man speaking clearly, and that is because for decades, Dr. MacArthur has earned the reputation of being a preeminent biblical scholar, and he had the courage to speak out.

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Fill out the quick form and they'll get you back with answers, andrewandtodd.com. I encourage all of you to check out EssentialChurchMovie.com. It is the new movie that Dr. John MacArthur and his team have put together. If you want to play the entire trailer, it's excellent. It's beautifully done, beautifully shot, and you guys should look it at EssentialChurchMovie.com. Let's play cut 87 for the entire trailer, and then we'll get Dr. MacArthur's reaction.

Play cut 87, please. God's truth is enduringly true throughout all the generations. It transcends culture. The church is always going to be an embattled people. If it's swimming with the tide, it's not being the Church of Jesus Christ.

Look to the past, learn from the past, because the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. China has more than 200 confirmed cases of coronavirus, it's called. The entire state of California ordered to stay at home, that's 49. California has some of the strictest policies leveled against churches.

Gavin Newsom's executive order threatens jail time and a thousand dollar a day fine. Government stopping people from going to church, Dr. Fauci. When I went into the White House, when I sat in on the task force meetings, was a shocking level of gross incompetence.

Mortality rate for the virus was 0.2%, 99.8% survival, rather than the 3 or 4% mortality that the people were saying at the time. The culture and the understanding of the people of Grace Church has always been, not only do you obey government, but you honor government. Thousands of people in the streets, but you can't have church. The hypocrisy of letting people riot helped us all understand one thing, this is not what they say it is. By meeting, we're testifying the government has no jurisdiction here.

I was arrested and driven to a maximum security prison. The government has obviously turned up the heat on churches. When the churches fall silent, the only religion left is the state. We needed to make a biblical statement because we always put ourselves under the authority of the word of God.

LA County threatened Pastor John McArthur with jail time and arrest. We were going to be sued. They wanted Grace Church shut down. We wanted to go on the offensive and attack the health order as unconstitutional. This wasn't about health and safety, this was all about control and opposition to religious freedom. As the government gets more corrupt and more corrupt, snitches get rewards. Its totalitarian control has to increase. We have to have a mask on.

And as they shut down any attacks against them, this is not about freedom or personal choice. The last thing standing is going to be the church. What a powerful trailer that is beautifully shot. Essentialchurchmovie.com. Dr. McArthur, your team deserves a lot of credit.

That is beautifully put together. Dr. McArthur, I also want you to react to just some of the churches that were actively involved in the government, receiving funding from the NIH to coordinate with local officials. Were you surprised by how few churches took a stand? Was it what you would have expected?

I personally was shocked. I thought more churches would have taken the stand that you did, Dr. McArthur. You know, Charlie, you're asking a very penetrating question. And it's a question about the strength of leadership. And I have to say that, you know, we have an entire culture that has been fed a steady diet of toxic manhood. And with the demise of men in our culture and the weakness of men in our culture, that has infected the church. There is a sad lack of courage that you don't find in the history of the church in other times of epic challenge against the church.

You have, you know, weak men. I wrote a book. I wrote a book called Being a Dad Who Leads. And a Christian publisher changed the title because they said that title is offensive. Offensive to be a dad who leads.

They actually came up with another title that I wouldn't mention. So the weakness of men, of men in our culture has shown up in the softness of the church. There's a feminization of evangelicalism. There's a feminization of the church.

And it shows up in obviously liberal seminaries, but it's trickled down into even some of the evangelical seminaries. And so you add that to pragmatism, the idea that has swept through the church over the last 20 years that the church needs to give the world what the world wants. We need to win them over. We need to be seeker sensitive. We don't want to offend the world.

So that compounds the weakness. There's the lack of courage to take a stand biblically just in itself. And it's compounded by the fact that churches have decided they don't want to offend the unconverted world.

I did an interview sometime back and one of the lines kind of keeps getting replayed again. The question was, does it bother you when you offend people? And I said, no, I exist to offend people. Everything about sin offends God and the understanding of that offense is the pathway to the gospel. So I just think there's an overarching cultural weakness among men and it has found its way naturally into the church, into the leadership of the church. And with that compounded with the fact that you don't want to offend anybody, you know, you take the line of least resistance and you wind up acting in a cowardly way. That is so deep and unbelievably prescient to what is happening right now.

Most people would tap dance around that answer, but you're exactly right. The feminization of the American church and the feminization of pastors. And I mean, I could editorialize Dr. MacArthur.

I won't. It's even from the aesthetic of pastors that are dressing in strength, you know, skinny, tight jeans. I'll stop there, where it's almost as if they have to have a very feeling based presentation. And you need a balance of all things.

God created men and women for a reason that does that does present a nice Segway doctor to something I want to ask you about. And this is on your Web site, Essential Church Movie dot com, which is doctor. It wasn't just covid or the pandemic or the lockdowns, but you also had what is now called woke ism or this kind of racial reckoning that they were pushing on the country happening simultaneously. And that was also finding itself into sermons and finding itself into churches.

Walk us through that, because we almost had a multi-front war in the year 2020 that in many ways we are still fighting. Yeah, that's a great connection, because the weakness of leadership in the church showed up. In buying the woke lies.

On this end of it, down the road a little bit, you know, we hear things like woke is broke and and, you know, the society is catching on to the fact that being woke is the pathway to destruction. But when it when it first came, there was an immediate lack of discernment from pastors who should have seen this for what it was. An assault on the church, the wokeness, instead of that, pastors capitulated and some very large churches were literally disintegrated, dismantled with losing hundreds and thousands of people collectively losing their their testimony, losing their influence, getting trapped in the in the the woke trap where you think you've said enough to appease the hostile haters, but there there's there's never an appeasement.

So they're always demanding more. Once you start down that road, it destroyed churches. It is still in the process of destroying seminaries, colleges. It's tough enough to run a Christian university like we do in the Masters University, but we're booming and growing at a rate like we've never seen.

Well, about every week, a private college in the in the country closes down many of them. Based on their response to wokeness and DEI, diversity and and all of those kinds of things. So, yeah, there were a lot of places where making a right decision would lead to victory and where making a wrong one would lead to disaster.

And that that the weakness of leadership showed up in the lack of discernment and the lack of courage in standing against these things. That's beautifully said, doctor, in a couple of minutes we have remaining in this segment. Can you just update our audience?

That's not the right right term. Can you fill our audience in and share some of the success stories? People that were healed, people that gave their life to the Lord, marriages that were remedied that might have been broken because you stayed open. Can you share what the Lord did because your church was open and you did not cower to fear or coward a tyranny? Well, first of all, it kept our church together and it allowed us to continually communicate the truth to them so that it protected them from the insidious lies that were coming at them from the media. The church is the pillar and ground of the truth. And Grace Community Church became a place where they could hear the truth. They would hear the truth.

And normally I'm preaching through a book, but I stopped that and I just took an issue after issue after issue after issue for several years, helping people navigate the lies and the deception. So we literally became a megaphone for the truth and people could sort out the truth and the reality. We also became a living lab where people could find out that what was being said was a lie. I remember the first Sunday that we opened up the church for the children. Over 1000 elementary children down to little babies showed up at Grace Community Church on one Sunday without fear because it had been demonstrated that this was maybe the safest place to be. We were all sharing each other's illnesses and so we had robust immune systems, but people trusted us as a safe place.

It backfired completely. We became a haven. Quantifying that a little bit, we took in 2000 new members by headcount. They were literally there were at one point there were between 75 and 100 people joining our church every month.

And that continues to this day. They came from the churches that shut down, that closed down. And I think in one sense, while I feel badly about the churches that shut down, if you're going to shut down, you literally voluntarily gave up your right to have an impact on people's lives. Why should they trust you in the future? Lots of worse things may come.

What will they do then? So people were looking for a safe place, a place of truth, a place of love and fellowship. And it was like a love fest and still is even to this very Sunday at Grace Community Church.

And the transformation is amazing. The joy, the happiness, the satisfaction, the delight, the sweetness of fellowship, you know, make a simple statement and I'll stop at this point. Paul says the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart. When you find people who love the truth and know the truth, what comes out of that is love, not hard hearted. So, Dr. MacArthur, you've also been very clear on this gender trans issue as well, which I think it's all actually connected. John 844, you are the father of the devil and your will is to bring your father desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and doesn't stand in the truth because there is no truth in him when he lies.

He speaks out of his own character for he is the liar and father of lies. Dr. MacArthur, we're living through a time of widespread deception and widespread lies, especially when it comes to this gender issue. I think if the church was silent and scared to not open during covid, they're certainly not going to speak out with moral clarity on the idea of God created man woman. Dr. McCarthy, your reaction to the trans social contagion that we're currently living through? Well, I think one way to view it and the right way to view it is it is the end of a civilization. It's the end, you know, the parade where they were saying we are queer and we're coming for your children. Well, of course they are because they don't have any of their own. I mean, this is the end of humanity. You know, homosexuality can't produce.

So they're coming for your children to perpetuate their movement. But homosexuality obviously is clearly indicated as a transgression and a sin in scripture with massively disastrous results to any person or society. But when you go beyond that, the transgender, you have now reached a fulfillment of a verse in Romans. Chapter one, which says God gave them over to a reprobate mind. Literally, God gave them over to a non functioning mind. It's insanity.

It is insane. And you ask yourself, how can this possibly be? Well, you say, well, maybe people are psychologically deluded. That could happen. Maybe they're morally deluded.

That could happen. But you have to understand that this the insanity is literally spawned. A huge, huge new kind of, quote unquote, medical care. You can understand why the emotional people or the twisted people would fall into this, but the entire medical profession, hospitals, hospital.

Leaders, hospital officers, hospital administrators, board members, medical doctors with high levels of training. How can they be so far away from reality? It's a frightening thing when when the medical profession believes a massive lie that on its face is a lie, because there are only two genders and it's obvious which one you are by physical characteristics, but also by DNA.

How can everybody believe such a preposterous lie? And believe it at a high level, how can the federal government decide that its raison d'etre, its reason to be is to protect transgender people? The insanity of that begs language. And I used to wonder, you know, I understand what Romans one says about a sexual revolution talks about that and a homosexual revolution. But what would a reprobate mind be like where people can't think straight? They're so perverse, they're completely irrational. Well, that's what the transgender movement is.

I mean, that's the end of absolutely everything. That is the end of society, civilization, if that's the direction a culture goes. And that seems to be the direction we're going, aided and abetted by virtually every institution there is that has any power and influence in the culture. And the church has got to stand up and take a strong biblical stance on this, not for political reasons, but we need to take a strong stand on this to protect people. I'm just finishing up a book that I'm writing called The War on Children.

Who would have thought that this insanity would end up with a mutilation of children as an expression of medical care? Dr. John MacArthur, God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us. Check out his new film Essential Church Movie dot com.

That's Essential Church Movie dot com. Dr. MacArthur, thank you so much. Thank you, Charlie.

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