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We will bring in Paul. Is it Imig? It's close.
Something along those lines. Horvath. Horvath. Horvath. Horvath. You know what?
I was just doing some prep for tonight's show and I may bring this up. There was a hockey coach that got fired and hired five days later by a new team. Really? Yeah. Jim Montgomery got fired. Bruins guy got hired? Yeah. He got hired. St. Louis fired their coach because he was available.
So they hired him. Oh, wow. Yeah. I don't think Montgomery.
Montgomery wasn't the problem there. They're slow. They're slow and old. I'm not kidding.
I slightly know some hockey stuff. They're slow and old and they, they paid Jeremy Swamin. They shouldn't have done that. Oh, no. You can't pay this way.
They've, they've played better in front of, oh shit. What's his name? And I know it too.
This is my whole life. Then, uh, they, they got him in the Olmark trade. Shit, whatever. It wasn't his fault.
He's a good coach. Wow. I mean, I can't fact check.
I cannot fact check any of that. So I'm just going to say, well done. Oh, Jonas. Jonas Corpisalo. They played way better in front of the other guy, the Corp they call and the new, the new, the new guy has benched Swamin. Now Swamin held out during training camp for a, for a big deal. Did he get the deal?
Like was it, was it a good holdout? They paid him nice. Actually an unprecedented deal for a goalie with his limited experience.
And how many games is that of experience coming from? I listen to Boston sports radio every day. You fucking it. Swamin is like, he talked about his struggle with mental health and how like fans like don't want you to get the big contract. They lit his, they lit him up. He did that. You know that Netflix show where all the hockey players went on, they did the hockey version of like receiver or whatever you guys familiar. He like played his acoustic guitar on there and everything. Dude's a knob.
He's Montgomery did not. I like that. You just listened to some other cities and like, you know all this, but you don't care about it, but you, but you know, but you've also like absorbed it, like you've retained it and like you can regurgitate it too. So you're not, it's not even like a passive listening. McAvoy is afraid to shoot. He doesn't, she's got all the skills in the world that you won't shoot. Posture knock. He turns the puck. He's way too lazy with the puck and no one gets on him. The organization soft on him and they're big. Defenseman just got lit up the other night again. And he does not know how to play in the corner, but I can't remember his name.
I'm looking at that. I want to hear more about pasta knock pasta. It's cause everyone in Boston, all pasta, pasta. It's like moustaches. It's the same thing. He's got a clever nickname that you can chant.
People did not like that take from me. The defenseman. He just, he gets blown up into the boards.
Can't protect himself. Yeah. Anyways, I don't know if we had a hockey team. I don't know if I could do it. I couldn't already got to watch the bucks a couple nights a week.
We have a hockey team. Yeah, but sure. I wanted to see, I, this is from my one eighties collection and I wanted to see if I could fit in it. Oh, from your, I see what you're saying from your one eighties poundage collection.
Yeah. Weight, weight class, which I did dip into the one eighties really back in the one nineties. That's more of a healthy Ram. I'm glad you lost a lot of weight, but one eighties, that's like 40 pounds of weight loss. I was up to two 35. So that's 55 pounds last Christmas.
I weighed 234 pounds. Oh my God. And you're now, but that's great.
The one nineties. That's wonderful. Yeah, but I'm still pudging. That's all right.
Some, some level of pudges. All right. I got to lose this. Yeah.
Get in the gym. Tighten it up. I actually like this view.
I'm going to go with it. I could prefer a different one if I may be honest. Wait.
And then I can make it look like it's your head. If you put, put one of us away, you could add. Yeah. Yeah.
Fun, fun, fun on the Dan Cheney YouTube stream. I'm like the nanny on Muppet babies. I have no head. If you could go ahead and change the view though, I would continue. Okay. Wow.
Things got serious there. Yeah. All right. Ready? I'm ready. I have a question.
I have a question specifically. I want to start with for grant and Bart, you chime in also, but this one's intended for grant Christian Watson's hands should not be questioned. He is just a wonderful, no drops wide receiver on the green Bay Packers or well, I mean, technically he does have the fewest out of your Watson take the other day that you clipped part of this podcast.
I wasn't, that wasn't as much of a me thing. That was a look at all. They'll get this great discussion we had about the complexities of the Packers wide receiver room.
That's why I clipped it. I don't, I've been saying for months, I've been saying, Hey, that guy's annoying like how long has he hurt for? Probably a bit. What did he do? Romeo Dobbs got hurt. He hit his head.
He's got a concussion. No. Were you can, it was yesterday. Yeah. I kind of, uh, you were a few, you knocked back a few. Look guys, the text messages that I caught up on this morning would indicate that you had had a few. Yeah. I think grant could tell right away. I was violent.
I said something violent at like two in the afternoon. Like, okay, that's what that's a friend knows though. He banged his head, but here's the thing about the Packers wide receiver. And I've realized this the last couple of weeks being on the radio is half of the Packers fan base is just upset the day after the day, the day or two after when it's like, why don't they target this person? It's like, well, in a perfect world, Jordan loves only throwing like 25 times a game. Cause if he throws any more than that, like you can kind of bank a couple interceptions or turnover worthy plays. Like they have a lot of good guys and Josh Jacobs is really good. Like not everyone can get 10 targets a game.
It's actually not possible. And with Dobbs out and maybe freeze up some guys, maybe Wicks has his first breakout performance of 2024 on Thursday night. Who knows? Yep. I was also doing a show. I was doing a show during the fourth quarter. So I may have missed some, some notes and you can catch that on the into the Winkler verse podcast feed, wherever you get yours.
Yeah. I just start with that just for the fun fact of that you had a, you had a deserved of sorts victory lap grant, and then Christian did the thing that could have only ruined your victory. They brought up Minnesota too on the broadcast, which I think all Packers fans thought about Minnesota right away when he dropped that ball and really that signaled the end of Aaron Rogers time in Green Bay. Which by the way, have you talked about that yet? Or to what extent have you talked about the absolute, like the Woody Johnson wanting to bench him and now like he wants to play, he's already saying, Oh, I want to play. I mean, I know it's Rossini reporting, but have you, how deep are we getting into this Roger stuff? I mean, we touched on it. It's kind of to the point now, or what is there to say?
The, the night that the night that we were going to talk jets anyway, cause they'd fire Douglas, but then like a half hour before we found out that what he wanted to bench Rogers after week four. That's awesome. Um, so we talked about that. Yeah, there, I have a microphone and I don't even know if the sound audio sounds any different. You sound deeper.
I don't know. I feel like you've, all of it has been said about Aaron Rogers. Like this new information is an additive.
It's just like, Oh yeah, the jets are a mess and Rogers isn't good. It does. It does. I do think it adds further though, to the Gouda kin's victory lap.
I really do. I think, I think for another fan base to experience it for the national media at a, in a different way to experience it, where it was not that long ago as Bart has reminded about Pat McAfee and the, are we sure that Gouda, that clip of McAfee, like that soils, a lot of McAfee to me. Well, I mean, it was, it was just such a horrendously bad and of course, very biased take because of where McAfee was getting his information from one person and it was Aaron Rogers.
Yeah. You know, it, it was a, it deserves to be called out and it deserves to live in infamy among really dumb things that was said is everyone else on the shows. They're all saying it behind him, but you have to, you have to also then say like, in addition to the Gouda kin's victory lap, he, I, I would, I would love the honest answer from him from Gouda kin's about, so how much joy are you getting out of watching this play out with the jets? Cause if he's being honest, the answer is an immense amount of joy. Oh, it's gotta be. And Mark Murphy too, with all the, I mean, this all goes back to that one tie done report of like the don't be the problem, Mark Murphy quote. And like, I didn't say that out now, you know, like, it's like, well, everyone, like you pretty much all in package front office territory saw this coming and you're all rejoicing about it.
You have to be like, you just have to be that you, that you played this one, the way you played this one. Well, and like, here's the other thing. And I, who wrote about this?
I saw this somewhere over the weekend on Sunday. I think it's like Rogers. Hasn't had a full healthy season in what? Since 22, since his, since his second MVP year, his second COVID MVP year and saying, so what is that?
2021? Like he was hurt in 2022 was last year with the Packers, had multiple things going on. And then he had the Achilles and this year he's had like a knee, a hamstring, like we're just going on his third straight year of having some severity or multiple injuries in some of these years.
It just gets hard. Like even Brady at the end, Brady was old and he was limited, but he wasn't gimpy. He didn't have injuries. So where the Buccaneers clearly like when Brady was going to retire and then he did in and then, um, you know, but that year, yeah, we still want this. Who is going to look at Rogers and say, we want to sign up for that. So that was going to be one of my questions is I have not seen the odds. I'm sure they exist of who Aaron Rogers plays for next year. Maybe the answer is he doesn't play. I don't think, I don't think that will win. I think he will play. Are there, I'm sure there are odds about this, right? And if so, what are they?
But regardless of those odds, well, everyone keeps saying the Titans for some reason. Well, because he does, he is quote open. That is a, that's a inside Winkler verse one. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing is you need to think of like, if he plays next year, it's not going to work. He's not good anymore. And if you're like the Titans or any team, you like, you, you know that. So what are you signing him for? Nobody wants to watch this. The team that's signing him needs to be stupid.
Like they need to be a mark. He's already on the jets who would be candidate number one, but they they're out of it because they already did this. So like what other teams in the league are big enough to fall for this. Aaron Rogers is a co-owner of an NBA franchise with another NFL owner and Jimmy Haslam. Oh, we forget Rogers still is a bucks owner. I think we do.
I do forget that. What about the Raiders? The Raiders might be stupid enough to do that. But then if they asked Brady, Hey, what do you think? There's no way Brady would advise them to do that. You don't think so?
No. Why would he, do you, do you know, I wish I could give Brady, I think hall of fame QBs have an affinity for other hall of fame QBs just naturally. I don't think Brady's ever liked Rogers.
People are always comparing him and he's like, whatever, I'll just win more super bulls in this asshole. Remember the time I'm, you know, we, we got to experience Aaron Rogers as Packer fans. Maybe the low point was when he came back and had a press conference and read grievances for 20 fucking minutes. That was, that was, we should have just been like, get the fuck out of here then. Why didn't, why did he ever play another snap after he did that?
That sucks. The crown jewel of that press conference is Tom Silverstein being like, well, in the case of this player and that player and that player, wouldn't you say the Packers were right on those though? They, they were proven correct.
And Rogers was like, ah, you know, like, I don't remember what his answer was, but was that when, was that when Kumaro was brought up? Right. Maybe Kumaro Bulaga was one for sure. Jordy might've been another.
Yeah. I mean, they just keep between Lindsley and blog. They just keep shipping these linemen off to the chargers to get huge deals.
And then they're never healthy again. I, but this is, I mean, that was, he was, he was, he was not concerned about clay Matthews getting a phone call. He wasn't concerned about what had happened. He didn't want it to happen to him.
So he was preemptively saying all these things and then it happened to him. I do think that this happening in a major market like New York and having it be experienced in a second way, it's, it has validated, I think Packers fans perspectives on this. Whereas I think Packers fans were sort of mocked for like, really, you don't want a hall of fame court.
You don't want one of the greatest. You really are going to complain about blah, blah, blah. Like, I think this has been validating. Has it not like to say, cause you know, Mike Tomlin has been there forever and everybody can look at the Steelers and say, well, I mean, you're 500 or better every year. You go to the playoffs every other year.
Like why, why wouldn't, why would you ever be mad at this guy? Sure. But then Mike Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. The Steelers have not won a playoff game since 2016.
So it's almost a decade now of, of that. And it's just like, when you looked at, when people looked at Packers fans and thought, oh, well, they're, they're going to the playoffs. They, they, I mean, I would love that for my team, but you're just looking at it in like, you know, words and you don't feel it. You don't, you don't have to, you don't have to feel Aaron Rogers. We had to feel those losses. We had to feel the annoyance.
We had to feel like, did you hear what he said on fucking McAfee? Yep. Yep.
And then last week, of course, oh, the, the Jets have a body. So he's not available. Rogers isn't available. Rogers is comically too available, except on FaceTime. Except on, no, except right.
You have to use FaceTime. Isn't that, wasn't that what it was? All right.
So my first real question, that was more on Rogers than what I expected, but it, it is a, a fascinating thing to watch play out at the national level. All right. Josh Jacobs is the Packers team MVP so far team MVP or and I was right about JJ. Oh yeah. You were, I love Josh Jacobs.
This is the victory laps episode. Hit it. This is, I feel like this is the next installment of I was right about Drew holiday. When you told people that everything you think Chris Paul is this guy will be that and better.
I feel like this is just the, it's the same. I did say that. Didn't I?
You did. I was right about Drew holiday. See, I, cause I watch the games and I piss away rain drops of money into draft Kings to learn about guys like Drew holiday and Josh Jacobs.
So I remember when the bucks got Mirza to let a bitch. And I was on the air with Michael and Charles and wicked and Freeman. And they had said, who's this guy? I go, this guy's popping threes left and right dog. And I'm like, how do you know? It was like fan duel. No, that's fucking lame.
Laser to have that encyclopedic knowledge or whatever the word is. You have that an excellent producer for that reason. So Josh Jacobs clearly like Aaron Jones is great. Aaron Jones like runs like this squiggly line. Yeah.
And Jacobs is the fucking hammer. And some of those, even early in that game where the Packers kicked the shit out of the Niners, this was very much like that title town showdown, 1997. Do you remember that?
When the Cowboys came? Oh, okay. Yeah.
After we won the super bowl, then the Cowboys came to Lambeau and it was a big fucking deal. Great. Great. So I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, um, great.
Great. Uh, Grant does not remember that, but it was a big deal. And then we boat raced them like the week of Thanksgiving.
They even made, I had special trading cards for it for that game. Yeah. And so the Niners kicked the shit out of us all the time.
And then we get to exact revenge and, Oh my God, you want to talk about things I might be wrong about? I think Brock Purdy might get some MVP votes after fucking yesterday. I mean, he must be that good, dude. Well, that sucks. Anyway, Josh Jacobs. Yes.
Grant and bills. By the way, a note on the, so showdown in title town, I knew that from somewhere I'm looking at the, the commemorative Shopko yellow towel. My grandpa gave me one of these. He had like a towel from like all of these big games. I probably have like a dozen of them. November 20, was it 23rd, 1997 presented by Shopko Wrangler. And what's that other logo? Is that Lenovo in any event?
I have that towel. It's funny. You mentioned that Josh Jacobs. He is not only Paul, I'll take it one step further.
He's not only their team MVP. He is their identity that came up in my show. What is, I know what is the Packers identity? And that's not last Thursday.
That's some sort of athletic, the other logo, the L L I'm going to show Paul here and share the screen for all of you also. Here it is. Oh, yep. I remember it. Yeah. Showdown in title town. Only 10 bucks.
Well, grandpa, you don't have to worry about me selling it. Shopko fucking dropped the ball, dude. Did they blow a three, one lead?
Is that what you're saying? He blew a three, one lead shop. I think all the shop goes are closed. I think so too. Although there's like, there might be like shop.
What a shitty name. The one on the South side of lacrosse became a Walgreens. Oh no. And Aldi, they put an Aldi in that bar. Can you believe it down on Mormon Cooley? Uh, there's still Shopko opticals. They're MVP. They put a, they put an Aldi on Mormon Cooley on the South side. You don't have to go all the way down Alaska now.
Wow. I know identity and MVP. I think it starts with Josh Jacobs. You build the boat.
You build the plane around Josh Jacobs and the very creative. I believe Dan Orlowski used the word diabolical last week. The diabolical running scheme of Matt Leflore. Yes. Wow. I know. The last time I was this excited for a JJ was Cocomelon. When's the last time you've had to watch, well, had to watch, had the privilege of watching Cocomelon.
I don't think we've watched Cocomelon in two years. Yeah. Been a while.
Little baby bum was the one I enjoyed more. I don't think I know what that is. British. Same kind of. So yeah, I'll say Cocomelon's teacher's a babe.
Ms. Appleberry. All right. Sure. Uh, definitive. Yes. To team MVP and identity as well.
I had not considered the possibility grant, but it seems right. So the tangent to that. Oh, look at that. Yeah.
She's kind of bad. Oh, did you put it on the screen? I opened it up too. Yeah. I was looking on another tab. Yeah. What were you saying, Paul?
Ms. Appleberry too, which means you have a chance. Great. All right. Um, no, I was going to just talk about like Saquon Barkley, new team, Derek Henry, new team, Josh Jacobs, new team. Have there been three better running backs in the NFL this year? And each of them is on a new team. Like I kind of wonder if we're in this new cycle of, I don't think running backs.
That's what doesn't make sense. Yeah. All these guys were available. Yeah. So the Titans were like, we can't do this anymore. The giants were like, we have to move on and the Raiders were moving on.
Yeah. And they have been the identity for each and every team. I mean, Saquon's in the MVP conversation after two 55 last night, the Eagles are Saquon merchants.
They're very good, but they are Saquon merchants. He has been there everything. Well, last year I keep, I keep waiting for the Eagles to fall apart like they did last year, but Saquon will not allow it to happen. Exactly.
That's what I'm saying. So last year they would be like, Oh, here's Kenneth Gainwell for a series. Here's Boston Scott. Here's fucking what Swift they had. It's like, yeah, more than 12 carries a game out of Swift. So do we think Saquon? So Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley and Derek Henry being this good on their new teams is going to change the way NFL teams view running backs or, I don't know, but I'm going to bring that up tonight. There you go. In the future, Paul, can I ask you a question back in return or pose a follow-up?
Do it in the future. Will bad teams be more hesitant to get rid of that? Because the Raiders were bad. I don't know that they'd be that much better with Josh Jacobs this year. Same with Saquon in New York in the future. Will those teams be like, no, we are going to pay the running back. We're going to keep the, is this a cautionary tale? Cause I, I don't know that all of those teams were in the wrong for letting these guys go technically.
Yeah. I mean, they would not, those three, these three running backs would not be having the seasons that they are having with their shitty former teams. Like you're not a running back away from going from three and eight to eight and three, but you are a Saquon or a Josh Jacobs or a Derek Henry away from taking like that next step. But what I would wonder is like, why then not at this year's trade deadline or at next year's trade deadline, do you not see a team give up a really, really high quality draft pick to say, Hey, bad team with great running back.
That's my last piece. That's the, and here's a first. What's that quarterback matter? Cause when Henry signed with the Ravens, I didn't think, Oh, that's, I thought it was great because of Lamar. Like you have these two guys that can run hurts, can run, doesn't run as much. Yeah.
But there's the, I, at least the threat of it. And then when Malik was in there, there's even more cause he, they were designed running for him. So does it have to be one of these running backs with a quarterback that also gives the threat of that?
I don't know. Who were their quarterbacks last year? Garoppolo Daniel Jones, Daniel Jones. I mean, all those guys are, but God, they should, they need to do something with the giants. The government needs to get involved. That's a fucking embarrassment of a team top to bottom.
Yeah. And I don't, I don't know that Saquon or McKinney would have helped them. I think they blow with both of those guys. They're like, that's, what's so disappointing is giants. Fans are like, this is embarrassing, but also like, he'd suck here.
If we had them and we'd still suck like that guy that sucks. So I get mad at the giants fans a lot because I work with a bunch of them and the way they were acting when Saquon dropped that pass against Atlanta in week two on Monday night football. And they were so excited, like ha ha told you enjoy the Eagles. Fuck you.
And now he's potentially the most valuable player in football. Like you guys a little premature there a little bit GMEN fans. Yeah.
I don't know. Like, but like, there's not, I'm looking at the bottom of the standings in both conferences and there's not like that Saquon on the giants, Josh Jacobs on the Raiders, Derek Henry on the tight. Like there's not that giants are two and nine Tyrone Tracy Panthers, a three and eight Chuba Hubbard, like, I don't know the Jaguars with ETN, like Stevenson with the Patriots.
Like, is there, my point is like, if the deadline was this week, I don't know. I just, I, I think it's at least, like you said, Bart and the national stage to at least explore the idea of, is this going to change the perception of the value of even like Ashton Gente out of Boise State? Yeah. Like you see these mocks and he's like 20th or yeah, another one. Everyone laughs when the lines took Jameer Gibbs and I watch lines highlights of him and I'm like, dear God. Yeah.
What do you do with that? And they got Montgomery and that's just it. And then they not only just, they just gave Montgomery another three year addition to it. So it's like, you don't, Oh, well they have Gibbs or they have Montgomery. Why would you go after Gibbs? Or like, Oh, they had Swift at the time. Right?
It's like, they had Swift. It's like, we don't also need Gibbs. How do you use both guys? But you kind of, I don't know.
We might, you might need it. Gooty is like, man, this guy's fucking amazing. Gooty had Aaron Jones and he's like, I'm going to get Josh Jacobs.
That's Aaron Jones, who is the heartbeat of my literal team. Yeah. I'm going to get somebody better. Yeah.
Who is now the heartbeat of their team. Yeah. And I'm going to give $55 million to a guy who is the least accurate quarterback in all of football. That's a separate thing.
All right. Well, here, how about, how about this? Um, And when he does, when he does be accurate, he's got fucking stone hands up there. Grant Grant's guy. It is kind of fucked.
I always see Andrew, Andrew Brandt tweets. It's like every other week where it's like this wide receiver makes 60 million, the Packers total wide receiving group, 8 million. And everyone's like, fuck.
7 million too much. It is weird how like it's a w that fans can not just like, and we're not paying them shit. Like, look how good they are.
And we're not paying them. Like that's, that's a funny thing about sports that makes me laugh. Yeah. All right.
So, so far this season, since getting his contract extension, I wasn't planning on going here, but it's a nice pivot since getting the contract extension, Jordan Love has been fine or fine is the correct word to use. If he was playing for a contract extension, there would be a lot more discussion. A lot more. Yes. Yeah. And then you'd have to look at like Daniel Jones was with the giants forever, but he got a contract extension. They at one point thought we need to retain this guy.
Yeah. It was because Ed Donatell and the Vikings made him look like Steve Young for literally one Sunday afternoon in January. And they're like, all right, we don't have a choice.
Like if that matchup just would have gone different, you know what I mean? And then they got, they got rolled the next week. Remember?
Philly. They got, they got pounded. I was on the air for that game. Paul, you said if he was in a contract here, he would be getting talked about differently.
Who said that? Was that you were part of the thing? We agreed on it. So I'll do you one.
I'll do you one better. Imagine if they don't come back and win that game against Jacksonville and they don't win the game against Houston. So those are two and just for fun, let's say they don't block that game in Chicago.
Sure. All three of those games easily could have gone the other way. So they'd have three fewer wins. What they'd be five and six then.
Am I doing that math correctly? Six. Yep. Jordan love by and large, same play. Like pretty much would be having the same season. What would we be saying about him?
Oh, here are five and six. We'd be wanting Malik Willis to start. No. Which is kind of why football's stupid, which I think Shanahan kind of talked about last week when he kept getting asked about Brock Purdy. And he kept saying, it's like, look, if we, like, we just don't piss away games with our special teams, like this is a, it's a, it's a different thing. And, and the parts comment from like 15 minutes ago, the Niners were not a Brock Purdy great game yesterday, away from having a close contest at Lambeau. Like they, the defense in San Francisco is demolished with injuries and just not as good at Christian McCaffrey is not Christian McCaffrey.
They, I mean, I, at what point there in their season, did they just say, you know what? Jordan Mason is better right now. Let's just play him. Yeah. What's wrong with McCaffrey, but by the way, maybe that's another thing. Maybe like, see, this was the Niners.
Okay. We probably don't want to give too much credit to the Niners, but maybe they started the idea of you might just be an elite running back away from a Superbowl. Now, obviously the Niners lost in last year's Superbowl, but Bart, you were really like, why are the Niners getting McCaffrey?
Like when that happened, I, I, that was one of your strong takes that we were debating at the time. Like they don't need him. They don't need him. And obviously the Niners are like, they don't need him. They don't need him.
And obviously now he looks like a guy who's coming back from everything that McCaffrey is coming back from. But I was wrong about that though. You were wrong about that. I think a lot of smart people were, a lot of people were like, why do they, but, but that's proven. I would agree. You can put that at the time they had that collection, that compilation of, you know, it was just Wilson and all the guys that are Jeff Wilson.
Yeah. He spent a third rounder on Trey sermon. Remember on Ohio state, like everyone was like, oh, it's going to be John Lynch fucking sucks, dude. John Lynch traded multiple picks for Trey Lance. The only reason they have Brock Purdy is because Shanahan wanted them.
And then Shanahan had to go to him and be like, dude, I need to start this fucking guy. I think John Lynch got in the hall of fame way too soon because everybody likes him at Fox where he used to broadcast. He sucks as a general manager. He sucks.
He's not good. No, I want to play good. Remember when the Cowboys traded a fourth round pick for Jonathan Mingo? I do. I text Toby after the Mclaurin touchdown. I text Mclaurin. And then I was like, did I send that too soon?
And then they missed the extra point. I go, yeah. Hey, we played a game two months ago that I want to revisit. And I, I originated this game myself. And it's called, yeah, I know. Sorry. Thank you. It's called call or fold. And I want to do this.
I want to revisit it. If you say, Hey, I'm going to fold on Lucas Van Ness. You get the 13th pick because Van Ness was the 13th pick in the 2023 draft. You can trade Van Ness for the 13th pick in the 2025 draft. You can trade Musgrave for the 42nd pick in the 2025 draft. You're trading your guy for that same pick in next year's draft. And I want you to say trade. We won't do the 2024 draft class because it's too soon, but we'll start with 2023 Lucas Van Ness, keep Van Ness, or you want the 13th pick in next year's draft. I'll take the pick. I'll take it.
I will take the selection. Yes. I mean, if he doesn't force that fumble yesterday, I'm coming on the radio tonight and saying that he's trending towards a generational bust. Yeah.
Well, he only played yesterday. Remember the Packers are not going to trade out of the first round because there's no way at the NFL draft in Green Bay. Would they trade out of the first round? Remember that good day. Good.
He's sitting in his room like, fuck. I would have improved, but we got the fucking traps here next year. You want Luke Musgrave or the 42nd pick in the 2025 draft? I'd probably take the 47th pick and just take a corner, whatever corners there.
I didn't even give a shit which one I just take 40 seconds. Give me that pick. Me too.
Me too. Uh, Jayden reader, the 50th pick read, read Tucker craft of the 78th, obviously 78. Um, we can go down to quay Walker in the 2022 draft or the 22nd pick in the 2025 draft. Get the fuck him out of here. Obviously. Right grant. I mean, yeah.
Yeah. Well, the 22nd pick or do you want quay Walker? I'll take the pick.
Okay. Are we done drafting the backups on Georgia's championship teams? So speaking of what, so do you want, do you want Devante Wyatt or the 28th pick in the 2025 draft? I mean, well, we're to the point now with, with quay and Wyatt where like, I like Wyatt enough, but they're going to have to pick up his 50 year option, which is going to be an overpay unless he explodes down the stretch. I mean, is it crazy to think they might not pick it up and let them play it out? And then they'd probably be smart to have done it before. Especially cause like they like Carl Brooks. They have other guys they like who aren't that much better or worse.
And the defensive line in general, like, I don't know, it's been more missed than hit this year. Do you want Christian Watson or the 34th pick in the 2025 NFL draft? I think I take the pick.
Okay. I think I would too, but I really like Christian Watson, but I want to say the answer is Watson, but I kind of taken the pick. I really like him like yesterday when he drops that pass. Adult men everywhere in the state of Wisconsin with families and health insurance took to Twitter to just blow off every frustration in their life on this one guy.
It's like, okay, like everyone, like it was a bad drop. Okay. But Jesus, like some of the tweets I saw. So to be clear in the 2023 draft, you traded both guys for future picks. In the 2022 draft, you traded first three picks. The first three selections, Walker, Wyatt, and Watson for future picks.
So that's not great. And I have a feeling the trends about to continue 2021. Do you want Eric Stokes or do you want the 29th pick? I believe they're still playing Eric Stokes. I can not believe they're still running him out there. When we came into this year with him, I'm like, there's not a chance he's actually going to, he's Swiss cheese.
Can I just say 10 minutes ago, goodies in his bag recently. See, but like what, by the way, when we did this exercise two months ago, you guys were keep, keep the player, keep the player and the Packers having a great season. And yet all of these early picks are like, no, I'll take the pick for next year. Oh, I'll take the pick for next year. It's interesting.
It's interesting. We have a new legend, Xavier McKinney. Yeah. In terms of Gooty's six sessions. Gooty's crushing free agency. How about that? Yeah.
Which is wild. I, I kept hearing the host who hosts Packers OT on the Packers radio network. And also this is the, this is the Packers 2021 class. Tell me if there's any name in here you would keep instead of their pick. I'll just, Stokes, Josh Myers, Amari Rogers, Royce Newman, Slayton, Jean Charles, Van Lannon, McDuffie, and Kylan Hill.
The Packers went over, over nine. Don't they still have McDuffie? Yeah. Is that a different McDuffie? But like, no, I think it's the same.
It's the line at the end. Amari Rogers never got a fair shake. That is one of your go-to dates. He was great at Clemson, dude. Sure. He should sign, he should sign with the Jacksonville Jaguars Jaguars. The Packers are more of a free agency team. Everyone's like, well, the Packers, they're doing free agency.
Well, that's what I heard on the Packers post game yesterday is Drew kept going like, well, in the Packers, you know, they never do free agency. It's like, well, I mean, Zadaria Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos, David McKinney, Josh Jacobs, like This year. You can't say that. I mean, because honestly, arguably, I think there are two best players overall are McKinney and Josh Jacobs, right? Like the two team MVPs are in fact free agent acquisitions. Yeah. And Brandon McManus. Probably. I mean, they won two games because of him.
Harrison Barnes just won Western Conference Player of the Month. Well, oh, weak. Oh, okay. That makes much more sense. That's still kind of odd. Yeah. For the East. Yeah. And their lines next to each other kind of funny when you compare them.
Whatever. By the way, McDuffie did play 41 snaps yesterday. So maybe that's a good sixth round pick.
But otherwise, one for nine. Do you like how Janus just completely took over any chance of this being a co partnership with him and Dame and he's just like, Fuck this. I'm in charge. That's awesome. We talked about it when we did this like 12 days ago, which was was that one game. Was that like, an important moment for Janus to be like, you know what, no, no, no, I'm the best player and stop deferring.
Like, it was fine. I was pretty down on Dame over last weekend, I sent some texts to you guys with some comparisons. Well, Cam Thomas comparison, if I may.
Well, this is the problem with some of these really bald and hardens the same way. It's like you can't catch and shoot. You need to be dribbling the ball.
So you don't work as a floor spacer. Like imagine if Klay Thompson had to take six dribbles. Yeah, every time before he shot a three like that team wouldn't have worked. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong.
All right. That's what I think I had prepared. That's why Rashad Vaughn would do so well on this team. You know, he needed his own team. He's my Amari Rogers. Another one of your elite takes your Rashad Vaughn.
Pretty good. I once talked doing UWL student radio, I once talked myself into a potential championship core one day of Janus Jabari Thon maker and Rashad Vaughn. That was a thing. I fucking heard me say it, dog. You didn't want to give credit for that one, which would make sense. All right. One last question I have for you guys is what are you sports thankful for this Thanksgiving? So much.
Actually, you know what? Let's let's do this real quick. Unless Bart, you're planning this for a bigger segment, but we did go. Well, you guys, I was thankful for this bad ass dartboard. Prince of Wales. Bart, when you sent your top NFL broadcast teams, is that because you're putting together a list for Bart-O-Meter or what?
That was a Bart-O-Meter. Oh, it was last week or when? Thursday. So last week. Okay.
All right. I put America's booth as the number one grant W and I left Brady and Burkhardt off the top eight. I was fighting with Bukowski yesterday about Brady and I swore I was talking to Paul and I like it was the same. Did you did you see these texts yesterday, Paul?
I'm way behind. I'm sorry, but Bukowski was bitching about like he never I never learn anything. He never adds anything to the broadcast.
He's like he just pointed out that the safety came down into the box. That's not even it's not even adding anything. I'm like, Pete, no one needs that. We don't we don't want that. We don't need it. Just be folksy. Give us some anecdotes and like draw a circle in one formation once a quarter.
That's all we need. You need to remember the average the average person. America or on the planet, the average person. Average middle of everybody is stupid. Really stupid. And then that means half of this world is even dumber than that guy. So you got to broadcast to the dumb. No, but you don't need people are dumb. No, let's let's do a two on two.
Let's bring on Pete for some point and let's do a two on two on this because now, Grant, I am going back and reading this. And first off, I don't know how you think you spell my last name or if that's my last name or if that was just your autocorrect. What do you mean? How do I spell it? I know how to spell your name.
I know you do. What did what did he even say? But no, he's right. You should always be teaching your audience. No, no, no, no, no one wants to learn. First and foremost, let's make that clear. No, no one sits down. I don't think I don't think you actually believe that you should do no harm. Don't do anything to make the broadcast worse.
Oh, I spelled it aiming. Yeah, that was just a fat finger. Some of the best I actually like Brady can sit there and try to be like, well, here's the you know, whatever. Some of the best color commentary is when Chris Collins worth goes, Oh, God, because that says everything you need to say.
But that's, but that is fucking good. But that's in between Collins worth also saying things that are insightful. Yeah, Collins worth is so good.
Collins like sees a play, and then right away gives you a full book report on that play. It's incredible. He is amazing. He is good. He's good to Rico and his busted leg to Rico, by the way. I he when he was on Monday Night Football, he was fine. The way that he just stepped in for al Michaels and was instantly just like it's like he had been doing that, that slot in that channel for a decade.
So wait, let me ask you put Brady next to Toriko instead of Burkhardt. It would be night and day. I think it's absolutely, absolutely undeniable that the Sunday Night Football telecast, like the entirety, it's so much bigger than every other one.
Why is that? Because it's not just graphics. And it's at night, it's got the it's it's at night. But why does it feel so much better than Monday Night Football? I'm saying like the overall presentation, ESPN's graphics are bad. So it's a graphics thing.
I can't I can't put my finger on and maybe you're getting to the heart of that. No, it's like it's prestige. They give off prestige. Like good word. ESPN feels like fucking back alley. It feels like watching a March Madness game on TBS is what it feels like. That's what it feels like.
It's the same thing. Who's does which game? Monday Night Football? Yeah, it kind of feels like Yeah, but like, yeah, well, whatever it is, ESPN spends way too much time on like, or money on the broadcast rights and not enough on like making the game feel important.
Sunday Night Football is must see football because it just feels like they're just it's like it tells you through its presentation. They must have sharper cameras or some shit. It's it just looks different. It looks better.
It feels bigger every single time. Buck and Aikman I love him death, but they're not helping. They're doing this thing where it's like we're on Monday night now this is this is kind of wacky and cool. I and it's not a bad thing that they're doing. I like that they have fun with it.
But my wife's around here somewhere. Have they just been together too long? Or is that what makes them good? Well, what makes them good is Troy Aikman doesn't answer to anybody.
He does not give a fuck about anything. Troy, my favorite thing he does, he will tell the rules analyst that he's wrong. The rules analyst will read from the rule book. And Troy will wait for the nerd to be done and be like, Okay, well, I disagree. And you can turn your mic off now. Again, we'll go back.
I disagree there, Joe. That one. That one thing yesterday that they talked about during the Eagles Rams game where Sirianni changed his mind from decline to accept. Do you track that last night?
I put my son to bed and fell asleep with him. Okay. Yeah. Pizza's done.
Cinnamon rolls are done. The Vikings aren't actually going to get Daniel Jones, are they? Why would they do that?
But like, I keep seeing it everywhere. And O'Connell's talking about in his presser today. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Donald got hurt.
But then Mullins came in there and threw a dart. Well, if they're worried about Donald's health, that's one thing. But yeah, what if they what if they go to the playoffs and they make the division around and they lose in a really close game to Philly? Do they have to bring Donald back? I don't know. I don't know, Jim.
It's a sticky wicket. That's all I'm saying. Is that where Rogers goes? That was too smart to do that.
That was the thing I was wondering, too. Guys, it's always a pleasure. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. We should do this. We should have a three day work week. Every time we do this.
The vibe changes. Unbelievable doing it. I got a two day work week. Wow. I do.
I guess. Yeah, I think I think Grant and I are pretty consistent. I think we have like energetic Bart back with us here.
That is the tide that raises or lowers all ships. I will be honest about that. Yeah, we can only be so good grant you and I. Yeah, I've been going through some stuff. Bart, you're back, baby. There's a lot more life behind those eyes today and a lot less. Sometimes there's just a blank screen back there. You can tell behind his face.
But now there's a lot less weight behind that tummy, too. Oh, no. What I just asked for. Rashad Vaughn. I'm sports thankful for you both. I wish I could say the same. We'll talk soon. Bye, guys. Thanks for stopping into the Winkler verse.
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