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I am Barr Winkler. Live during the Packers fourth quarter against the San Francisco 49ers, the Packers are going to win this game. So if you are listening via the podcast and you're like, I don't want to listen to what happened in the fourth quarter, I am talking as if they have won this game because they are going to win this game, even though Jordan Love just got sacked and there's 13 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. But I am going to play under the assumption that the Packers win this game.
And if they do not, then we will have the hilarious response. And I won't fake it, as most Bears fans do every week when they lose of the actual loss of the game. Packers currently up 24 to 10. This whole game today with Brandon Allen being the starter instead of Brock Purdy, it feels like, and I saw somebody else say this, but it feels like when the Packers would get the shit kicked out of them by the Dallas Cowboys in the 90s. And then there was that showdown in Titletown game. It was at Lambeau. The Cowboys finally came to Lambeau field. We always wanted them at Lambeau.
They never were able to come because they had the better seed, but then they would always come and, or we would always go there. And then the showdown at Titletown, we won and we won like, it was like 45 to 20. It was pretty intense. And we made cards. I have trading cards of that day. I mean, it was a big day. It was a big day, a big game, big moment, a big celebration. Cause we had finally beaten the Dallas Cowboys, but this kind of feels like that because sure we may beat the San Francisco 49ers, but what are we beating today?
What are we beating? Brandon Allen is no good. He is actually pretty awful. He is not good at quarterback. He hasn't what started in three years. He's been in this league for a decade and he's played like 15 games. He's got the most perfect backup quarterback role that you could have to be a backup quarterback like him where you're in the league.
He's made about eight, 9 million bucks, you know, in 10 years, I'll take that. And he barely has to play. So he's not getting hurt. He's not getting banged up. People always like think, Oh, what if our backup quarterback played? There's never any criticism criticism of him because he's just a backup guy and now he's playing today.
Sure. But he's had a nice career for himself. I do wonder if the San Francisco 49ers could be a team that picks up Daniel Jones. I don't know where Daniel Jones is going to go. We all want him with Dallas Cowboys. For some reason, the Dallas Cowboys had him on their website the other day for like an hour. That was weird, but that would be great because Thanksgiving Day Dallas against the Giants and that would make it better than whatever game we're going to get.
Giants got blown out today, but the Dallas Cowboys, they won a football game today against the Washington commanders. As far as this game goes, I think you're seeing Brian Gudekin says free agents. Step up Xavier McKinney. I blue skyed skated, I think is what they're saying.
Skeeted. I'm not sure I love that, but Xavier McKinney had another inception. I said it's the best free agent signing since Reggie White Reggie, the first big one, obviously Charles Woodson's in there and maybe you can come up with some others, but I think Xavier McKinney has been great to get interceptions is something that this team was sorely lacking for so many years, especially under Joe Berry, who I can't believe was ever our defensive coordinator and even that long, but he got another interception today. Josh Jacobs has been a godsend already over 100 yards. We were sad about Aaron Jones leaving and Aaron Jones did well today, scored a touchdown, did well today, but there was that one hour we thought we had both of them and that was pretty exciting, but it was not to be, but Josh Jacobs, this is the Josh Jacobs that I thought we would get. This is, he's a hard runner, he's a good runner, he's a good pass catcher when needed.
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Terms and embargoes apply. Packers just sacked Brandon Allen and got a turnover number 97. My brain thinks that that is Cletus Hunt or Johnny Jolly.
I know that it is neither, but he comes up with the play. So Packers, Lucas Van Ness. There you go.
There you go. You needed that from Van Ness because Van Ness is one of these guys that needs to step up with the trade of Preston Smith, which I don't have a problem with the trade of Preston Smith. And I know that, you know, he's a good player and he's, he's playing about half of the time. It's Kenny Clark is obviously 97. Jesus Christ.
How drunk am I? Wow, I thought Cletus Hunt. But Lucas Van Ness getting that sack is big because we need guys like him to step up, especially with the departure of Preston Smith, which is just for draft pick, late draft pick, but that's fine. I have no problem with that. I know they kind of did the same thing with Ursula Douglas last year as Tucker Kraft is going to barrel down to the three yard line and the Packers look to punch it in relatively soon here. So good day for the Packers overall. You got to beat the 49ers. This is the team on your schedule.
This is a lot less of a threatening game than it was earlier in the season. Not having Brock Purdy is a big difference for them. I am somebody who has been very like, oh, Brad Purdy's. It's not even that I thought he was bad.
I just thought people were crowning him very, very early. And I just wanted to pump the brakes a little bit on Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy is a good quarterback. He's going to get $60 million from the 49ers. If I was the 49ers, I would do that as Josh Jacobs stumbles down to the one. I would do that. I mean, you need a quarterback.
Clearly what you're seeing today here is a problem. A lot of times when these teams have a quarterback, you should just pay the quarterback. Imagine if we didn't pay Jordan Love. If we didn't pay Jordan Love, what are we doing? What are we doing? We are trading from Malik Willis. He wins a couple of games where he has to throw one nice pass a game and we just run all the time. Is that what's happening?
That's not going to work. You need a quarterback that can push the ball downfield, that can do all the things, make all the throws, all that kind of stuff. And Jordan Love is that guy, even though it's fourth quarter, he's got about 123 yards right now in the game. You need, though, a franchise quarterback. Giants thought they had one in Daniel Jones.
That's like the cutoff. That's like, oh no, he's not that guy. He's not that guy. But, you know, he did some things where the Giants were thinking, oh, maybe he can be the guy. And maybe at the time you think, okay, I mean, he just won a playoff game. They extended him and they paid him $40 million. Kyler Murray, do you extend him? I think if you have a quarterback, you got to pay the guy. I know everybody wants to try to win on a rookie scale, but if you have a quarterback, you have to pay the guy. Otherwise, God only knows what you would have done. I know Jordan Love's had some problems and you've thought, oh, what's going on with these interceptions?
But you have to pay the guy if you think you have the guy because it's just, it's so much work to try to find another person. Jacobs gets in there for the touchdown. Packers are up 30 to 10 and they are clearly going to win this game.
So I have no issue with coming on a little bit early and talking about it. So what does this do for the Green Bay Packers this way? Well, it puts them another step closer to what's eventually probably going to be a wild card spot. The Green Bay Packers, if you look at the NFC when it comes to the playoffs, they are in a position where they're not going to catch the Lions. I thought even if they would have beat the Lions, the Lions would eventually get to a point where they would take on the NFC North and win the NFC North.
I just think that that team is very good. I don't know that the Packers are good enough to win a Super Bowl this year. Here's the standings with Detroit at 10 and one. The Eagles play tonight at eight and two. Cardinals are playing now at six and four. Falcons got the week off at six and five and look at the gap between six and five to nine and two where the Vikings are nine and two and the Packers just have to keep pace.
Now the commanders lost today. You got the Rams, the Seahawks, the Niners, the Buccaneers. I think it might be a team that trends up to win the NFC South. I like them.
You know, long term their schedule is not too bad but the Packers are probably going to be a wild card spot and if you can be the five or six instead of the seven then you can get a game against the NFC West or NFC South champion instead of most likely the Philadelphia Eagles. Hot take Jake joining with the worst hat that I've ever seen and I can't believe you like it. I can understand how one might like it but also it is very ugly and very gross and it is good to talk to you again.
Jake how are you? Well this hat is goaded number one and I thought you would have some appreciation because I think this like line of hats that they released. The hat for the audio listeners looks like the helmet and it's disgusting. Yeah it's the it's like the helmet hats that they released for all the teams like it's amazing to me that Green Bay has the ugliest hat by far so I think it adds to the charm personally. Do you think our helmet's ugly? I do well yeah like objectively the Packers look is hideous it's just it's what we're used to and we grew up with it so we like it but like if you had an objective person that's never seen football before you say rank these uniforms I think they're dead last it's either them or Cleveland. Hmm interesting I disagree but yeah it's the bias though like green and yellow together like eh.
Yeah it it doesn't look good unless it's got a g on it I'll agree with that. There you go well and I was fully on board like uh in 1994 Ron Wolf wanted to change the yellow to actual gold like Notre Dame style and it was like this close to happening. And they wanted to go blue. No I think it was they wanted the green. They wanted blue I remember my local Fond du Lac reporter yeah the front story the front page was Packers um decide not to go all blue.
Hmm like I read it like what the fuck. I've seen the official like mock-ups of what they wanted and like I think it looked dope but you know people now will be like well that's the dumbest thing I've heard but I think if they would have changed it in 94 and that's the uniform that far becomes grayed in and they win a Super Bowl in that uniform they'd be like oh remember those hideous yellow ones that we used to have forever like that's what I think I don't know. And then they wear much throwbacks and we'd say oh I wish they went back to the green and gold. Yeah yeah. Like Vince Lombardi's days.
Yeah it's people are weird. Yeah so what do you think we're kicking the shit out of the Niners? I mean kind of like the score wise but a lot of it is just like 49ers are just kind of bad and committing penalties I don't know my uh my thoughts from the last two weeks is just mainly disappointment with this team.
Of course. I just they don't they haven't put together a complete game yet it's going to be Thanksgiving this week and given the way that they ended last year I don't think I would call you know despite the record difference this team has regressed despite more talent this year. Well last year the last eight games they were hot and then they beat the Cowboys who suck and then they lost to the Niners and they fooled us into thinking that they were a Super Bowl team. I don't know that they're much different well the defense is better as McCaffrey runs for 90,000 yards and fumbles.
There you go that's kind of like the theme of the game. It's a weird week for football man you see the ending of that Dallas game. Yeah there's four touchdowns under three minutes. Yeah and the onside kick was returned for a touchdown. I'd never seen that before.
When does McCaffrey ever fumble? Was that McKinney? Oh or no is that Nixon? That was Nixon getting in there. Then you have Chicago doing the most barest thing ever like giving their fans.
Or they covered and I took them. That's right that was a great call um but yeah giving giving your fan base hope just to kick them in the nuts at the end. Like that's just they're really really good at that. Yeah so you're down on the Packers. I got so you're down on the Packers.
I like it's not like I'm super upset with it it's just it's kind of disappointing. I thought given the way they ended last year that they were going to be really really freaking good this year and yeah they'll be a playoff team. I think they'll sneak it in a wild card but I mean I don't think you can be a Super Bowl team without one effective pass rusher. Like that's number one and the cornerback play it's just we need Jair Alexander back. Apparently he is the key to this entire defense. That has held the Niners to 10 points through four. What is it's not the 49ers though it's literally when when I heard Brandon Allen was starting like you talked about it I think on one of your shows this week like literally I don't know who that is and that is rare that you like not even yeah yeah I think you know you play the backup quarterback game and you think oh I can name the backup quarterback on a lot of these teams. Uh Brandon Allen was a was a surprise to me sure and I think to even him you you could even play the backup quarterback game to where I'm not going to name what team they're on but here's all the backup quarterbacks currently in the league not a chance in hell I pulled Brandon Allen out of my ass. Well he's barely played like he's been a backup quarterback for a decade and he's barely played uh just having his stats here he's played for nine years he's been in a total of 16 games. Wow.
How is that even possible? He's got the uh oh damn it what was the guy's name it was the kid that played on every team it's gonna drive me crazy. Josh Johnson? Him too but I want to say he played at uh Bama. Look at this I got his stats up if you're on the damn show. Oh I see it.
I mean the first three years he was with Jacksonville the Rams never got in a game plays in Denver for a little bit starts a few games one and two has to start in Cincinnati in the COVID year gets in some games the next year but starts one game this is his first look with the 49ers I think outside of maybe downing a football or uh doing the kneel down. Yeah well this is crazy so he has nine ten career starts now and I have literally never heard of this guy that is just wild we live in a simulation I think is what it is. Well I do think that separately from this. I do have a funny story about like believing you're living in a simulation there was a supplement that I took about 10 years ago to help me sleep and I had this dream where I spent three weeks working at General Mitchell Airport living in a different apartment with a different girlfriend and when I woke up from the dream I like didn't know if the real world was real so I think maybe you guys are all a figment of my imagination and I just like took that supplement again and I'm gonna wake up in 2011 just like trying to figure out what's left and right. So how do you explain like my pains and my tragedies?
I'm just holding those for you? Yeah like I think um you're a manifestation of something within me Bart. Well it fucking sucks. I mean we're Wisconsin sports fans we got our Bucks title but that's about it.
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Austin jumps in what's up Austin how you enjoying this fourth quarter watch party party party oh it's fantastic 31 pan packers kicking the shit out of the Niners probably good good to see him walk up on them and uh Jake yeah that was really cool when Giannis did that my fucking city that was fantastic to see that yeah yeah it we have this is my fucking city and then we now we have I'm the fucking best so Giannis just loves f bombs. Giannis is the shit man and he loves f-ing because that doesn't have a fourth kid on the way too what I thought I thought I heard that he's got four another kid on the way I don't think she's pregnant he's the horniest dude in the NBA it's crazy like I see her at swimming every week I'll take a peek yeah ask her ask him cheers Austin cheers buddy are you going NA today I got a Canada dry zero sugar ginger ale hell yeah let's go that the NBA cup is totally messing with what does Austin have well taps yeah it's not good buddy what do you got Bart nothing brown sodas I got nothing currently next to me but today's been a little bit of a sippy sip day okay I mean Bart's leading back man it looks like it's a little warm in that room so I can see it well my aunties at Thanksgiving when I get there at 11 a.m and their cheeks are already red from all the roscato mm-hmm yeah oh oh yeah get it first get it first who's screaming who's got a party going on I got a couple of people over there oh they're they're horsing around yeah I'm behind did we pick up this fourth or what you got to go for it right all gas no fucking breaks I thought that's Matt LaFleur's thing well let me ask you guys a question six minutes left uh Packers are up 31 10 fourth and one so they're about to be eight and three last year they were below 500 at this point in the season I think or right around there but even so like let's break it down is Jordan Love better or worse than he was last year I think he's the same Jake I mean he's worse I I do too like I think he's trying to do much uh like I I don't know if it's because well if you take out the two where he could I mean the safety against the Rams he didn't want to take so he threw a pick six and then that happened again like if you take out those are these interceptions that bad we wanted for years Aaron to be more aggressive and now Jordan's being more aggressive no I think that's a good point but I think the thing like what Brady said in the his deep ball very good but the 20 yarders sometimes you know he's throwing ducks out there and that might be that's where his problem lies well it's just what that one Watson dropped yeah that's what that was a good ball though why did they go through three Hail Marys I mean it didn't matter but it's like I thought a field goal would have been nice there but now let's just chuck it down the field three times before the end of the half the bizarre thing was I think they opened the game with three scoring drives Love throws a perfect ball it's a walk-in touch down he drops it and it's like the offense just completely fell apart and forgot how to play football well two and the three fucking Hail Marys like back in the day oh who's it 18 yeah I was gonna play him in DK today I did not I got raked in DK yeah wouldn't have mattered then huh back in the day uh Lafleur would have just ran that ball three times and got out of that quarter though so I kind of respect that he was like okay Jordan go air it out I mean this is totally the 1997 season where we kicked the shit out of the Cowboys at home this is that this is totally that game I don't know but so I don't know see Dallas Cowboys came to Lambeau they'd beaten the shit out of us and all those playoff games they come to Green Bay we do showdown in title town we beat them 45 to 17 to go nine and three on November 23rd here it is November 24th we're gonna go eight and three we're kicking the shit out of the team that knocks us out of the playoffs all the time this is this is the exact thing this is the Super Bowl Super Bowl to New Orleans this year isn't it it is in New Orleans and just saying 97 into him well every 14 years the backers get there I saw that graphic and all the all the shit uh was aligning yet again do we believe in that come on no it is not uh I do not think we're gonna go to the Super Bowl this year I think it'll be Detroit I don't think so I just I don't I think Dan Campbell is is too Dan Campbell to make a Super Bowl who's going out of the NFC you don't like Green Bay you don't like Detroit it'd be Philly they had a little stutter start but they seem to be picky or putting it back together now they've been there before Philly ain't going I to me it's with with the team led by Campbell you're gonna have to show me you can get there before I believe in you he's just gonna screw up something he's too emotional I think they're I get what you're saying Jake how much is that coat that Tom Brady's wearing like seven thousand dollars it looks like an American Psycho coat like he has a sweet duster he's got a dead body a dead body in a Jean Paul Gautier carry-on bag in his trunk right now what a waste of an investment by the way he is so awful at this this crew's not that great well actually it's not even that he's awful he's just so milk toast mediocre nothing he adds nothing he doesn't like enough say hey I'm Tom Brady here's what I think he just says like blends in yeah at least with Tony Romo like he's a slack-jawed idiot so it's kind of funny from time to time even though he's pretty bad like I'm always the kind of guy that says give me an A or give me an F you know like I don't want the in-between C plus guy that's Tom Brady you didn't like when he was like oh it's good that Jordan Love doesn't have a diva wide receiver that he's got to deal with I didn't hear that yeah they dropped diva wide receiver twice today on the broadcast I think I heard him say Romeo missed the game because he was sad yeah that's exactly what I said and then he darted it to Dobbs right in the middle on that play but yeah he also said something about like Packers receiver Wilkins or something and I'm like there's no one even like there's not a Williams on the team like there's not even anything what is he talking about hey random thought uh how amazing is it that the Packers best offensive and defensive players were unrestricted free agents who saw that coming Josh Jacobs and McKinney mm-hmm yeah that was great uh you got to give goodie credit on that like we can criticize his drafts well you can criticize his first rounds he's he's a killer in the draft but like they clearly have a type in the first round and it never works so just go away from that you know measureables and you know the long-term potential but clearly you don't have a staff that's like good at coaching these guys up for all their physical traits this game makes me think that Purdy's the MVP are you going back to your uh Peyton Manning take yeah yeah we're okay when he hurt his neck and they were 2 and 14 he should have been the MVP he's the most valuable player to the team is that the award or is that not the award what's the award I don't know those valuable players most valuable player to me that's a very uh I don't know the the cost or um the team who skipped a list that they have on ESPN I feel like that's something he would say but he'd be like serious about it Packer stepped the Niners on a fourth down they're gonna get the ball back with three minutes left and this game is pretty much over so they'll go to eight and three and again still with the six seed because uh you got the Vikings and the Lions that you can't get in front of is it gonna be Malik time here yep he's coming in all right see that's I just I want them to run the Malik offense with Jordan and I think they'd be fucking unstoppable I mean they did 55 million dollars you want to be a game manager I want him to like be the best version of himself that he can be and last year he was closer to what we saw from Willis than what he's doing right now I feel like Jordan he got the money and it's like okay it's all on me now I gotta be the playmaker and it's like no no dude you don't have to be Aaron Rodgers you don't have to be Brett Favre be Jordan Love like make the reads hit whoever is open and just play smart and you have a running game now and you have a solid o-line you don't gotta just toss the ball into double triple coverage so yes while some of his like interceptions you can kind of just be like eh he's also had a lot of plays that should have been interceptions this year because he's just thrown in double triple coverage for instance the throw to Watson was that last week an incredible arm talent throw but one of the dumbest throws he's made all year that Watson just made an amazing play on well this game's over I gotta take my nephew out to dinner for his birthday um but I thought I'd jump on the fourth quarter and the game's over and it's nice to talk to you guys all right god bless boys yeah I miss this yep same it's might do one on Thanksgiving night hell yeah let's go I will do anything to get away from my family so I am in all right you got any survivor series predictions uh no not yet I say Seth Rollins goes heel I don't like that Haman dressed like solo sakoa yeah maybe to throw you off this track though all right boys go pack go we're the fucking best um check out the hat greatest of all times before you fucking hat looks like one of the hat my dad used to wear when he was a biker in the 1980s I'm never taking this thing off now baby I just keep looking at it I love you buddy get out of here that's how I take Jake and it's great to see you guys thanks for stopping into the winkler first packers eight and three go pack go
