Good Halloween, everybody. I am Bart Winkler on the Dan Shaney YouTube stream, Michelangelo.
I did not put a lot of thought into this costume. I just realized that we have a lot of masculine around the house. But I'm joined by coach Paul Christ.
I appreciate the opportunity to be here. See, the thing is, I work in a studio in Madison and everyone here is like, that fucking rules. But if I were to go, like I was on Bill's stream and nobody got it, and I'm going to go on my stream tonight, no one's going to... Yeah, it's not even really playing that well with me.
No. Renner, I'm having Renner on tonight. He's a big college football guy, so hopefully he's a Wisconsin guy too.
Hopefully he gets it, but I don't know. It's mostly the glasses and I'm killing, I've killed so many brain cells today. I feel like my brain is melting looking through these things. That's okay. Oh, they're real glasses? Yeah, they're readers. Oh, do you need them?
No, not at all. I have very good eyesight. Because I wore glasses with my... I was John Hammond from Jurassic Park if nobody saw. John Hammond? That's his name? Yeah.
Just like the former GM, John Hammond. Are you double-checking me? It's not that I doubt you, it's that I... Shut up. Yeah, no, I'm not doubting you. I just wanted to Google. You just want to see it for yourself? I guess I don't have an answer.
That's fine. Why trust me? You hear those sirens? A tree fell over in my neighborhood. It's a big crisis around here. I do. It sounds very serious.
Wow, I mean, it's windy as shit. It's a pretty common Halloween costume. I'm looking at images now. I see you can get the costume here and there.
Well, we pieced it together, but I brought it up because the... I can't wear this. The glasses I got, I just got at Spirit Halloween, and they don't do anything. So you need those kind of glasses.
We don't have a Spirit Halloween. I got these at Woodman's this morning. You brought readers at Woodman's?
Yeah, they got everything. Better prices, better products. Okay, I've never really had a Woodman's close to me, so I can't. There's one right around the corner from work, so that's why. Half of my building was dressed as my boss because he wears the same thing every day. He's a rock radio guy.
He wears gray jeans and a black shirt every day. So our sales manager sent out a link to buy the pants and the shirt, and half the building was wearing it today. I wanted to do something sports-themed. It would have been lame. It sounds about as radio sales department as it gets. Yeah.
I'm on stream all day. Oh, Grant, happy Halloween. I'm dressed as Randy. Everyone would be like, okay, that's sick, but it doesn't really apply to any of this. When I dressed as John Hammond, the Jurassic Park guy, because my kid was a dino.
We had some people over for a morning thing just to kill time before trick or treat. People didn't realize it was me having painted the beard, and then they would realize it's me. But my one buddy is like, with that walking stick, you look like there's a dad at the park that has a stick and walks. I thought you were Ted's dad. Ted's dad. Yeah. That's what I went as. I went as Ted's dad. Yeah.
It's niche. It might look like Jurassic Park guy, but I went as Ted's dad. One of my favorite trends on Twitter is like, I hate gay Halloween. And then it's the most specific thing you've ever heard in your life, and I've seen a lot of those good tweets.
The Halloween Twitter's been pretty good. Only when I saw that was a guy as Steve Karnacki. Yeah. With the map in Nebraska.
Yeah. With the TV. That was fun. I am excited to talk with you guys.
Paul and I will join us in a little bit. I wanted the World Series to go longer, and I talked a lot about how I wanted it to be. I wanted it to be something that really took over sports. And I want to see how big a Dodgers-Yankees World Series would get. I don't think we got that in five. We did get an all-time World Series moment, though, with Freddie Freeman. We also got an all-time World Series collapse with the New York Yankees in that fifth inning, which, at that point, you might as well just get swept instead of go through that heartbreak. Like we talked about with the Packers last year. Sure, they got to the playoffs and they beat Dallas, which was fun. But then you had that collapse against San Francisco. So what's the tradeoff?
When is it worth it at the end? But as soon as the World Series was over, because I kept saying, I'm a small-market guy. You guys fly over us. You look down and say, oh, they look like ants.
Or say, oh, God, thank God I don't live there. Playing up the small market of the Midwest is my favorite thing. It is fun.
Because it's what people say. Well, and with this Anthony Richardson thing, you have an in, too. It's like, what are they doing? I am a Packers fan. I know how to handle quarterbacks. That's another in to do the Packers thing. But as soon as the Dodgers won and Walker Bueller was like, what, what?
I was like, man, fuck this. I wanted that to be the series and I wanted it to be long and I wanted baseball to rise with it. But either one of those teams winning, it's like not only did the Dodgers win, which fuck the Dodgers. But they were so much better than a Yankees team who is already like, they're the Yankees.
They got huge payrolls. So good. I had these moments throughout the series where I'm watching the Yankees. I'm like, oh, shit, that's right. They have that guy, too. The Yankees have an unbelievable.
I forget they have one Soto. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And then the Dodgers are that much better than them.
Yeah. So it just it's like, it's crazy that all of the leagues in our country have some sort of salary cap. Some more complicated than others, even need for the NBA to do the second apron kind of like, how can how can we have our sports and we have the NFL salary cap, which is pretty straightforward, even though you can always manipulate it. But it's OK. There's so much money. This is whatever the NBA is like, well, there's tears and you can't do this. And then the baseball just like, fuck it.
You got the money. Sit at the table, dude. Yeah. It's just crazy that it's all they're all different. And that was my takeaway with baseball. Like, I enjoyed it. But then I saw the Dodgers win and I got pissed.
So. I was cheering for the Dodgers for kind of dumb personal reasons, like there we don't need to get into. I just I wanted the Dodgers to win. OK, and then the Dodgers won and I'm watching them celebrate. And there was like this 30 to 60 second stretch where I'm watching them celebrate. I'm like, man, fuck this sucks. Yeah. Look at all these great players and all these superstars.
Everyone's going to glaze them. It's like all the injuries, all they overcame. It's like Clayton Kershaw getting hurt is probably the best thing that could have happened to him. Clayton Kershaw. Clayton Kershaw, by the way. He's got a gut. He's got a little bit of a gut.
He's got a little bit of a Paul Chris got to him, but there was good about that. There was there was this 30 to 60 second window where I'm like this. I got to tweet something. I got to I got to I got to punch up at this rich team. And then I went on Twitter and saw some of the just petty loser things that some Wisconsin sports talkers were saying, like, oh, real impressive Dodgers. You spent all that money. You win a ring. Wow.
Real impressive. I'm like, man, that's lame, though. Like, I'm not I'm not I'm not going to be that guy.
I don't know. It's just so annoying because they do really. Yeah, that much more and spend that much more. But like, I can't be the guy that whines about it here and there. You got to pick your spots, but not like some people were last night. Well, I still think you play within the framework of the game.
And if you have the means to spend all that money. So, yeah, it pissed me off. But also, I'm not I'm not going to sit there and be petty and say like, oh, you bought if you can buy a title, buy a title. Well, you're saying when you're objecting to that is if the Brewers had the money and they bought a title, what would you what would you watch the World Series like?
I wish you would have done it the right way. Show me something. Yeah. Well, and it's like and there are levels to it, too. And this is talked about in Moneyball. Like there's teams are here and teams are here. Like Red Sox fans have to be in hell right now because they're watching Mookie Betts win another title after trading them away. The Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts for nothing for for what turned out to be nothing.
Yes. And for the idea, it's like, well, Devers is going to be the guy and we're leery of huge deals. OK, the brew. So Dodgers, Red Sox and then another step down. There's the Brewers who are like, man, we love Quentin Berry, but if we pay him a little more, we won't have money for Chris Hook.
It's like, oh, God. Like, it's just it's a different league. It's a different league.
But like, I'm not going to I can't be the guy I refuse to. I won't be the guy who's like, Brewers will never win. How could they ever win? Look at the payroll, because teams like the Brewers blast through and make the World Series all the time. The Brewers just haven't done it. They've had opportunities.
They haven't done it. And that's not a league issue. That's letting the Brewers off the hook. The league did not.
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Let me get something a little more Paul's speed, if I may. Oh, boy. Okay. Yep. Sky.
Yep, very good. From Paw Patrol. I do have Romeo. I know you've been Romeo. You look like a China doll. You look like a Mulan character.
This is a dog. I know. You look like you're- All right. If it's too distracting, I'll just- No, it's not.
It's not. I have reading glasses over my eyes. I can't even see anything.
It's not distracting to me. I'll just be Spidey. I like how you became like you're very prepared today. This is great. This is your first- Oh, Grant showed up as Paul Christ, and then I was looking upstairs for five to six minutes for these masks. I don't know if it was a Grant Bill's tweet or a Bill Michael's tweet, but I saw this earlier during the Bill Michael show.
Someone tweeted about it. Yeah, look at him. He's got the stance down. Paul Christ.
Oh, the picture specifically? Well, it was you and Bill doing the show, but you as Coach Paul Christ very much doing a pretty darn good Coach Paul Christ visual impression. Well, someone at our work Halloween party today said I'm Paul Christ on Ozempic because I'm a little slimmer than Paul Christ, but I couldn't pull off Billima.
Imagine a big Illinois, and then you stick a pillow under. He is an absolute hog these days. He gets bigger every year. Anyways, we were just talking about the World Series, Paul.
My big takeaway is Clayton Kershaw's got a gut, made me feel better about my body. In fact, we talked for what, 10 minutes? We didn't even mention the two slaps in right field who assaulted- Well, because they're nothing anymore. They're irrelevant because they didn't win. They had their day. It did, but it would have kept going. It would have kept going. Oh, yeah. It would have kept going. I've been very outspoken about those guys on air.
I think that they're a disgrace to humanity. I haven't heard much of your Tuesday night show, but I made sure I had to hear the first- I started with it. I know you did. On Wednesday. No, Wednesday night.
I started with it again. Yeah, that's actually what I meant. I meant Wednesday. Yeah.
Oh, let me- As game five was happening, and you were like, I wasn't rooting for anybody, but I am now. Al Lazard's going on injured reserve, breaking news on into the wing quiver. Is Mike Williams back? I don't know. Where did he go? Listen to Rappaport's tweet.
The Jets are placing Lazard on IR because of a chest injury source to say, Aaron Rodgers' good friend and trusted target is out at least four games. What the fuck? Yeah, unnecessary. Okay. All right. I do want to just- Shepter also made sure he got to get those sweet, sweet engagements on Macaulay Culkin reposts as Joe Burrow.
That's all it is. You are the preeminent breaking news guy in the NFL, the biggest league we have. You don't need to be the 100th person to post Macaulay Culkin as Joe Burrow. Why doesn't he have someone in his life who can tell him that, who he trusts as a confidant?
Because it's Reven. He's making money for doing nothing. I know, but he makes like $8 million a year.
I know $9 million is better than $8 million, but for fuck's sake, you still have a reputation. He doesn't get to go potty without looking at a phone. But you could- Either do I. Does Adam Shepter think, by the way, that everyone goes to take a dump or a shower without having their phone with them? Let me leave my phone in the bedroom while I go poop. What a waste of a poop to do that.
No kidding. That's where I enjoy my phone the most. Well, I'm built different. I take my phone into the bathroom.
Get out of here. I mean, I used to read, when we were growing up, I used to read backs of Q-tip boxes. I had a drawer of Boys Life magazines in our bathroom drawer. That would never fly today.
It would just be child's life, children's life. I don't know. Now I won't go as far as like, I'll play like a wordle or something, which I got in two tries the other day. But I won't go as far as actually like doing a crossword.
I'll bring a phone, but not like a pen and paper on a toilet. Yeah. All right. I want to tell you Bart-O-Meter, because I can't come up with eight. Please. NFL mascots, I think that I could beat up in a fight.
I can't come up with eight. Is this an original premise or was this Robert and Annapolis or- No, I thought of it last night. And I'm sure it's been done before, but- You think that's been done?
I mean, I know there's a lot of content, but this seems like a Bart Winkler original. Okay, go ahead. Well, I think all the birds, so it's going to be, if I'm locked in a cage with someone, can I beat them up? And the birds are hard, because they'll fly away, but I could take like a seahawk, because seabirds are the dumbest birds. Sure.
They'll peck at you, but you'll win. A dolphin. You can't beat a dolphin.
Sure, I could. No. Can you even swim? I mean- No, Bart's a good swimmer. I'm an ISO swimmer.
Bart's a good swimmer. That's right. That's right.
Stupid question. That's right. That's right. Bart taught me some swimming techniques at one point before we had kids. I did?
In the pool. Yeah. You don't remember that?
I was like, dude, I need to get better at this. And you're like, yeah, you don't remember that? Okay. We were in a pool together? My pool.
Yeah. Oh, what'd I teach you? How to do a backflip? I didn't know where and when to breathe. Oh, that's nice of me. I'm a very bad technical swimmer.
I can doggy paddle with the best of them, but- Okay, so number one is saints because they won't fight back. I think I'm going to put jets in there because a jet, I can just disassemble. Can you though? I guess. Okay. Take some time.
It'd be a longer fight because- And then I have to get a little playful with some of the names. I couldn't take a horse, but I could take a phone charger, so I'm going to put the chargers in there. You could forget it in a hotel room. It's one of the most common thing to do. My wife had her cousins here for a weekend. We just had to mail a phone charger back to Illinois.
So what is the math- They had you mail it. Yes. We offered. Okay.
All right. What if the charger's mascot is- It's a horse. It's a charger's a horse. They're also a lightning bolt.
Because they charge. Well, sure. But then you're a horse? I didn't even know that.
A horse. Yeah. I didn't know that. It's not their logo. They have no horse merchandise, do they? I don't know.
I think they've got something. If you polled NFL fans and they said the mascot of the chargers is- Well, this one's too hard. I don't think I can come up with eight, though.
I can't come up with people. What am I going to fight? A packer? A viking? A 49er? A cowboy? So here's what I thought for a... But you're saying mascot, though.
I think you could take it in a somewhat- I'm not going to fight- Let me just give you an example. Mark Murphy is, for all intents and purposes, the mascot of the chargers. Jerry Jones is the mascot- No, it has to be cowboys, the logo. So it'd be essentially like, yeah, a Western cowboy man or someone who, what, packers is?
Like an ACME packer, like a guy who's packing meat. So you can't take that guy? Well, I would lose a fight against anyone listening to this right now. I can't fight. I'm not strong enough. My arms are spaghetti. Have you ever been in a fight?
How are you supposed to know anything about yourself? You've never been in a fight? No, my next fight would be my first one, too. Yeah, I've been in...
I wouldn't... I mean, I've thrown punches. See, here's the thing, though, Bart. I think you- At people? And I mean this lovingly. I think you would fight so dirty. No.
I- No. You see- Oh, it was my life on the line or am I just in a fight? If I'm just in a fight, I'm going to get my ass kicked. I get my ass kicked. The last fight I got in ended with one punch because my buddy punched me in the face and broke his hand on my jaw. Well, see, that's advantage Winkler. But I'm saying it's not a fair fight. If it's Bart against a bear, you need to cheat. You need to do some underhanded tactics. Bart against, I don't know, a Viking.
Ah, I will put bears on the list because it's wintertime and they're hibernating. Smart. So I can just... in his sleep. It still would be tough. Like, that's still going to be a tough battle.
I'll just drug them. I'm looking at... I'm looking at... What is a stealer?
There's a guy working in a steel mill. But I mean, like, who's the mascot? They don't have one. Or it's a big guy with a stealer helmet. Sometimes you're choosing, like, the profession and then sometimes you're choosing the mascot.
No, no, no. It's not the actual mascot. It's just the basis for what the name is. The basis for what? So then it's not a... Because the jets don't have, like, a fucking mascot jet flying around.
That would be awesome if they did. So a Texan is just a man, a person from Texas? There's not one person from Texas I could fight. What is a brown? I'm not getting into that one. A dog? A titan? Is it a titan of industry? Hmm. So, like, a wealthy individual?
Just a building? Yes. I will use titan because I could beat up a frail old man. There you go. All right.
Titan and bear. Okay. We got it. You could beat a patriot by telling it to stand back and stand down. I could.
I could do that. A giant? Like, no, right? Obviously, because they're huge- Well, a giant what? A giant dog? A giant human? Oh, could you take some artistic license with that one? A giant- A New York football giant.
Isn't that what they are? So it's just a giant football. Could I beat a giant? Yes, because it's a giant football. I could defeat a giant football. Well, this is all well and good, but- Wait, who are the other four?
Three? Oh, Rams. I could beat a ram.
Ram's just a stupid goat. Cardinals, Seahawks. Cardinal.
So, right. A lot of birds. Cardinal is a tiny. It's a songbird. But I can't beat a falcon or an eagle.
Yeah. Don't defeat an eagle. I'm rooting for the eagle versus you. A golden eagle or a bald eagle? I would never fight a bald eagle. Well, if you eat a bald eagle- Which I'm saying, I'm on team bald eagle.
Destroy that Winkler guy. I have a question for you. Bald eagles are a mangy bird.
Ben Franklin was right. They never should have been our national bird. If you eat a bald eagle, does that make you more American? Oh, Jesus. Because you're eating America.
Doesn't that make you more of an American? I'm going to pivot to ask Grant a question. Yeah. Was this a Ben Franklin hot take back in the day that I just haven't- Yeah. Ben Franklin. Look it up.
Ben Franklin did not believe the bald eagle. It's a scavenger. It eats things that are dead. It steals food from other birds- But they're so majestic.
Yeah, not really. The turkey is resourceful, smart, hardy. Yeah.
Look it up. Delicious. Delicious. And you eat a bald eagle, you're getting all mercury.
All they eat is fish and dead shit on the side of the road. They look majestic, but that's because we- whatever. All right. So Bart, I know you have some time to work on the final list, but you're entering in the titan of industry and old man.
You're entering in... Who's the other one we added here? Bears. Bears because they'd be hibernating. Go through the others. A bunch of birds.
Anything else? A jet. I'll just use the symbol of jet. And then dolphins, rams, saints.
I think you're underestimating a dolphin's ability to kill you. I'll just cock off to it, I'll go... And then it'll be like, you didn't call me that. Only we can say that. This'll be a great barometer.
I'm excited. The bald eagle is a bird of bad moral character. Ben Franklin. Who wrote that, a Russian?
Ben Franklin. Wow. Psyop.
All right, let's go. So you guys talked World Series, so we'll skip that. I want to do... We have to talk about Bucks and the height of this hysteria that's currently happening. Did we see the breaking news?
Marjan. Yeah, they're not picking up his option. Grant left. Grant took himself away. He didn't want to... No, I'm saying he was not pleased with the topic even being suggested in emails.
I saw the look he gave before he left us, it seems not like a coincidence. See if he comes back. Do I have to add him back? I think I have to add him back? Yeah, I was just making a statement.
We can talk Bucks, but then I realized I couldn't add myself back. Bill Ryder and KOC both came out with pieces today. KOC wasn't reporting. I read his. I mean, he's just saying like, here's why it's the... So in fact, I had two questions for you and let's just go through them. One of them before the today's stuff that was even happening, my topic was going to be your Bucks concern-o-meter is at zero or mm-mm, and I'm just going to add and we can answer both and talk about it accordingly. I then took Kevin O'Connor's post, the championship window has shut for the Bucks or mm-mm, because he asked today in a poll, has the championship window shut for the Bucks? Just asking the question, he adds.
Classic Tony in Texas move, by the way. Let me ask my question. Your Bucks concern-o-meter is at zero or mm-mm. Out of what? Zero to 10, 10 being you're just hella concerned, zero being like, what are we talking about?
I don't know if it matters what it's out of. It could be out of one and it still... Yeah, zero regardless of zero, right? On a scale of like- What if it's from negative five to five?
Just halfway. Negative 42. You have no concern for the Bucks. Mm-mm, it's higher than zero.
I don't know how high it is. I talked about this the other day where, look, this regular season has gotten off to a bad start and there's a lot that you want, and even if you take it as a slow view and try to get better, you got a team that should be better than this, Chris Middleton or not. They should be better than this. They shouldn't be losing to the teams they've been losing to. Boston, Peyton Pritcher's going to put up 30 every time we play that team, so that's nothing.
They got Memphis tonight, I believe, which I'm looking for a Bobby Portis 30-point game because everyone's shitting on him. I am not concerned in terms of my position being moved that I think that they can contend for a championship. I still think they can, but it is going to be a work in progress.
However, if they don't figure it out this year, if the end of this year looks like the end of last year, well then it's probably not going to work. Giannis and Dame is probably not going to work if it looks like this again after two seasons and you have to pivot accordingly. I don't think trading Giannis... When Giannis says stuff like, I don't know, they could trade me, that's just... People take Giannis too literally when he says stuff like that.
Yes. He's just talking about himself as an NBA player that is an asset to a team that can get moved, but he's not considering that he is Giannis a dead Akumpo. I hate to keep bringing this up, but Giannis is not asking to be traded. I'm telling you guys. I'd be pretty surprised.
I went to swimming again last night and it's consistent now. He doesn't show up all the time, obviously they're on the road, but I've seen him there twice, maybe three times and people leave him alone. They might say hi or a kid might come up, but people leave him alone and his wife and kids are there and it's just... You see Giannis' wife, you know who it is, right? Is she at that level in Milwaukee at least?
Yeah. To be able to do normal things when you have this level of recognizability and even celebrity with him, how do you give that up? That's why I do hope, regardless of when, if ever he requests a trade or he is traded or of course, if the time comes that he ever does and I don't think it's in the year 2024 or even 2025, it's not this season, he will do it in the most respectful way that any superstar athlete could ever do it.
What I hope is whether he ever does that or not, that he has someone, kind of like what we were talking about 10 minutes ago, is I hope he has someone in his life who can tell him straight up, cool, go for it. I think the city of Milwaukee, they will support you. I'm pretty sure about it, regardless, they will be a Giannis fan for life. Just know, Giannis, that the going swim class days are over. That's uniquely Milwaukee. That's gone.
If the possibility of trying another team and seeing something else is worth that to you, fine. But I really hope, because it's true, it's a fact, he's not getting the anonymity he gets. Well, he's not anonymous, but the privacy that he's allowed. Everyone knows that. Even that picture of him walking on the street with his kid that was- I saw that.
Everyone took a picture, but they're like, I would have said something, but he was with his kid. I mean, good luck having that happen if you're traded. It's not. Again, the Bucks got a title. I can't believe that that's true still, quite frankly, but it did happen and it's because of Giannis. Unless he does it in a really shitty way, like with a trade request one day, which I just really, really doubt, he'll do it at all, and then if he does it, it would be done in kind of a crappy way.
That would be so out of character, but if it does, it's like, I just really hope that someone is there to tell him, like, here are the things you won't enjoy anymore. And he's very recognizable. He's a tall guy, he's a basketball star. I just heard a story about David Stearns the other day, when he was trick-or-treating, he would sit outside his house and give candy. Nobody knew who he was. Who was that? David Stearns. Oh, wow. Because he's, you know, Giannis isn't afforded that, he is tall. Yeah. NBA superstar. Sorry to interrupt. Well, no, I mean, but it's why it is different than say, like, yeah, I know I was sorry at that time.
A six-foot-two player can more easily... He's not Gary Trent Jr., okay? Yeah.
He's not Pat Connaughton, who can go to any bar on Water Street on a Friday night and you're like, what school you go to? So, you actually answered both questions. You asked, is your Bucks concernometer is at zero? You said, mm-mm, and then you said, the championship window has shut for the Bucks, mm-mm, also. So your concernometer is higher than zero.
You also answered the Kevin O'Connor question, Grant Bills. You can answer both, but let's start with your Bucks concernometer is at zero on a scale of zero to infinity, it's at zero, no, zero to ten, zero. No, it's not zero. I am allowing almost zero of it to actually affect me. It's like, well, Badger's basketball is back now, the World Series has been on, football's back.
It's nice that the NBA is back, but nobody needs this right now. I keep saying on my show, it's like when you host a gathering or a party and that person shows up. It's not a person you dislike, but it's not like this party would be the same. Whether you're here, great, like grab a drink, you change it, absolutely zero.
And if you left in ten minutes, the party would keep going like, all right, all right, the NBA, you can start fine. I just, I'm not going to lose my mind when it's very clear and clear and obvious that lots of players aren't losing their mind. But I don't know. I don't know that they're good enough.
I don't know that they're deep enough. I don't know that they're going to be able to stay healthy. And I don't know that the way that Giannis is wired and the way that he's played the game a long time is going to be able to meld with Dame and with everyone else in a way that it kind of needs to for them to win. I would say their championship window is closed because the 2019, the windows not closed.
Kevin O'Connor's question. Because the 2019 Raptors exist like a team where everything just kind of fell into place. Like now, 2019, there wasn't a wagon like the Boston Celtics. The Celtics are really good. But I just can't say it's the Aaron Rogers thing. Like I can't say the windows closed when Giannis and Dame are on the same team and there's continuity and it's not like they were thrown together this year. They've, they've been there now for a year.
So I won't say it's closed. I have a little concern, but I'm not walking around just like, Oh, what if the bucks don't figure it out? Well, I guess if they don't figure it out, they don't figure it out. And by the way, if the bucks are so freaking bad, like what makes Giannis? I understand Giannis is great, but like the reason why the bucks have come up short the last two years is Giannis has either been hurt or he hasn't really played all that well in the playoffs. Yeah. Like, Oh, he's going to ask out of Milwaukee. Like, okay.
Okay. It's not like Milwaukee is the thing that's prevented. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he hasn't been good enough the last year and that's fine.
I don't expect Giannis to carry the bucks to championship every single year, but if Giannis is hurt or he has a really bad couple of games against the heat, like, well then don't say, Oh, the bucks, you're not doing enough. Like, man, I don't know. He got hurt. I'm trying to remember which player it was. It was a year or two ago, but they, they wanted to maybe, no, it was Damian Lillard.
Actually, I was trying to think who it was, who wanted to play for the heat. They're like, well, I want to play with Bam and Jimmy and Tyler hero. And it's like, but you'd have to be traded.
So like one of those, if not two of those are going back to Portland. You can't, you're not, you can't join that team. So it's like, okay, if Giannis is like, you know, I want to play with fill in the blank couple of star players, like, yo, like, first off we have to match your $60 million salary. So that's going to take multiple players and highly paid players. So like, you're not just going to insert Giannis onto championship contender, because you're going to, even if the bucks like, you know what, let's get younger.
You're still going to have to give up just to match $60 million of annual salary. Which by the way, someone should remind these players. And it wasn't that long ago. It's hard to believe, but not even so long ago as to where it was black and white, where teams and players would get to the end of their contract. And then they would go in this thing called free agency, where teams could just sign players and you could sign with whoever it was.
Fucking great. Like you would just in the middle of the subtle days, yeah, the good, no shit like the good old days that actually used to happen. The thought of Kevin Durant just becoming a straight up free, like that's so that's so foreign right now. It wasn't that long ago. Remember that God, that was incredible free agency used to be a thing. Now we're losing our mind over like, Oh, they can get Gary Trent. Like those are the biggest names that move like a Jonas Valanciunas type. That's the crown jewel of free agency because superstars just asked for trades and then they weaken the team where they arrive on, which is a great point, Paul, thank you for bringing that up.
Yeah. I mean, I get locking in your money, like Bart, I've heard you talk nationally about Dak Prescott. It's like, maybe he doesn't want to be a cowboy next year, but if Dak Prescott is following the trend of superstar players, he's going to do the thing where he takes the contract and then says, you got to, I really want out, I'm going to be a problem if you don't trade me. You know, I don't want to be that too. Why don't you just trade me?
But you lock in your money first. So like, yeah, the frequency is officially dead, by the way, pop quiz, uh, Kevin Durant signed with the warriors on what day, July, June, July 4th. There's only probably like, you know, a few days in a year where I'd be like, I know exactly what day this random NBA thing happened because for my brother to work on the holiday, I think, oh, I think I was at a 4th of July parade. I was working too. I was lifeguarding. I was serving. I was doing a tour at Wakanda water park that summer. I remember getting that notification that was because we used to get that in the middle of the summer.
We don't get that anymore. There's another thing at play with these reports and these articles today is these guys hate doc. I think the writer does not like doc.
He's very open about that. Yeah. I mean, the bucks are like an easy, like, what are you going to write about right now?
What are you going to write about? The Sixers. Everyone's done that.
Ronnie. No one really is that offended for shit on the bucks. It's easy. It's easy. It's a league.
So it's a league problem. And what you said on our text chain earlier today, Bart, it's like, so the bucks are one and three. If they were two and two, would any of this be happening right now? No. Would any of this like, would instead of, and again, whatever writer writer than you sometimes, would he have written a piece today that was like, they're off to a lukewarm start. We'll see where it goes. Like, no. Yeah, sure. They may be foreign. Oh, but there's bigger issues at play.
Like that story's not coming out. So I just, I thought that was a good point that you made earlier. Like, so the bucks are one and three. If they were, if there was literally one game of a difference, if they would had beaten Brooklyn on Sunday, which is a game that no one fucking watched, because it was on Sunday and again, it's October, who cares?
I'm sorry. Like they'd be two and two, would any of this be happening today? Yeah. I think the answer to that is like, yeah, it, no, like you can't write a doomsday article about a two and two team. You can do it about a three, a one and three team, but two and two, you would seem, and that's the difference between one October victory or not. But again, like they, even if they had won one of those three other games, like they do look like shit.
Yeah. And I, again, I'm not, I'm not carrying water for the bucks right now. They're getting what they deserve, two first round exits, and they're sleepwalking through the beginning of the season. Yanis after the Celtics game the other night was like, we just need to get to the end.
It's like, well, it's Halloween guy. So like, well, and if you make that comment in February, that makes a little more sense. You can't say that right now. The Kevin O'Connor article that I read was before, and you'll see why I'm mentioning this. It was before they even declined the fourth year option of Marjan Beauchamp, because the article is talking about how John Horst has, I don't, I don't remember if Kevin O'Connor used the word failed, but like the draft strategy has been really questionable. Um, I don't know if it's, I mean, pretty much going back to DJ Wilson, but then even like you see this Ryan Dunn guy chasing guys around on defense as a rookie and you're like, oh, well cool.
At least we have this 18 year old guy that's 167 pounds and might be good in three years. Do you want to hear, I have all the bucks picks since 2015. Would you like to hear them? I mean, when you say them, I want to give you my initial excitement towards each, like what you thought at the time. Yeah. We could play with Packers draft picks that I'd like three weeks ago where I said call or fold.
Yeah. I'm trying to think of something that I said about these guys to spin it in a way that it was going to be a good pick. Rashad Vaughn. Rashad Vaughn is the perfect kind of guy. If you're trying to fight a warrior's team, that's just going to kill you to death with threes.
This is the perfect kind of guy in that system. So then in the second round of that draft, they drafted Norman Powell, who they traded. Yeah.
I didn't say anything about that. In 2016, Thon Maker, Giannis is a home run swing and you've got to try to win a championship in little old Milwaukee. You have to keep taking home run swings. This is a perfect, if not great succession of a pick to the Giannis. You have Giannis.
You have Thon. It's going to be an insane duo for years to come. Malcolm Brogdon in round two. What a steal.
I mean, this guy might be president someday. I think you might be rookie of the year for sure. Two picks later, they drafted Patrick McCaw, who then they traded to Golden State. McCaw! In 2017, moving on, they drafted DJ Wilson.
Bart was stoked. I know that one. DJ Wilson, I didn't like at first, and then I ironically became a member and then full throttedly became a member of the DJ Wilson fan club.
Yes, you were the founding member. Cinderius Thornwell, who they traded to the Clippers. Where did...
I refuse to believe that was a real person. He was South Carolina. They picked two players that went deep into the college.
Yeah, that's why we always joke about Horst only watching March Madness. Where did... With Dante. And I say this with all... Who was the guy who had an incident at Walgreens? Sterling Brown. Where's he on here? Did they not draft him? He was just at that Walgreens the other day. Brady or which one?
27th in whatever street. Dante in 2018. The one thing I remember about Dante was Skip Bayless tweeting about how great it was, and then the Bucks were like, yeah, check this shit out. Skip likes the pick, and we're all like... To the admin, Kevin Porter, RJ Hampton, Jordan Wara, Isaiah Todd, Marjon Beauchamp, and Chris Livingston. Those are all the picks. Well, Chris told agents that he didn't want to be drafted by anybody but the Bucks. What a decade.
That guy, that's super stoked. That's about it. So we'll revisit this when the Bucks are four and four. But I think, Bart, honestly, it is... The honest story today, starting with Bill Ryder, added to by Kevin O'Connor, it is now part of a four-hour national sports radio show conversation today.
I guess I could bring it up. Yeah. But it's the NBA story today, is the Bucks suck. No, the NBA story is that LeBron James is the all-time leading scorer, and Bronny James is the last scorer on the list of people who have scored a bucket in the NBA.
He's the only one that has one or two... Who's made a field goal. Would that be the correct way to... Okay. Yeah. No one that has shot field goals has scored more points than LeBron.
Nobody has scored less than Bronny. Interesting. I hope it stays that way. I said that last night, and I felt like a genius. They're also now the highest scoring father-son duo of all time, passing Stephen Dell Curry.
Well done, that's funny. Any other Bucks thoughts? I have one more.
Go ahead. And LeBron broke the scoring record again last night. Nobody said a word. Nobody fucking said a word.
I wanna pause the game every single time he does that. It's memorable. It's history.
We're watching history and just not caring. The most important Packer this season so far is Malik Willis, or the most important Malik Willis. Does it have to be a player, or can we do this thing where it's like, it's actually Brian Gutekinst?
It's actually Jeff Halfway. Yeah, or Matt LaFleur. Do you actually want a player? Let's do both. Let's do the player.
I'm just saying, I drafted the question, the topic. I thought about it during the game when Malik Willis came in. I'm like, this team would be fucked with the way the season has played out, if not for Malik Willis, which then you would argue without Brian Gutekinst recognizing, without Matt LaFleur saying, Brian, go get me Malik Willis, he's better than our current options. So for me, I don't know if he's the MVP of the season, but Malik Willis has been... The acquisition of Malik Willis point to Brian Gutekinst, and then Malik Willis himself, the player, to me is definitively the most important Packer so far this season. You, you guys, what do you think?
Well, I'll give you one outside the box. I want to say you. I want to nominate Josh Jacobs. But you would say he's... I mean, again, that's fine, but you'd say he's been more important... Malik Willis is in there.
He's having success because Josh Jacobs is not no slouch. One of the things... You think the Packers would look like this, though? Which player would have the Packers more looking like what they've done? If it was like... It might be Malik.
I don't know. A quarterback or if Emanuel Wilson was getting the Josh Jacobs reps? Well, here's what's happening when the Packers have Malik Willis. And so, Jordan Love, open it up, throw it all around the field, anything's possible. Malik Willis, a little more conservative, a little more run game plan, but why does that work? Because Jacob's is getting the yards he needs, and also because they are putting in design runs for Malik. Sure.
Sure. If the Lions see the Packers this week and Love doesn't play, they're gonna say, well, let's prepare for this team to run 40 times, okay? But how are they gonna run 40 times? End of round, Malik, Jacobs. The answer is probably Malik, because in each of those games, and you saw it again the other day, there's been a moment where, okay, we've done this, this is good, but if we're gonna win this game, Malik has to make this throw. And he's done that each and every time. So I would think that, yeah, that's a fine argument to say. I can get down with Malik.
I mean, Rashan Gary is an obvious one that comes to my head, but other than that... Xavier McKinney obviously should be under consideration for players. I'm just kidding. I know you are. This is Paul Chris, by the way, outside of our screen. Where is he? Oh, Google.
I don't know. I miss him. Is he somewhere weird, like Alabama or some shit? No, he was an analyst at Texas. Yeah.
Yeah, maybe that was it. I don't know that he's anywhere right now. Grant? I mean, it's probably Malik Willis. The thing about...
I think it's his disposition and the fact that he could learn all that he needed to learn in the time that he learned it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like if he comes in and he's overwhelmed, I mean, he's up there making checks.
He's up there... That throw to Jaden Reed last week in a game in which he came in in relief wasn't something on the call sheet. They added that in. That's something that they saw at practice and they were able to pull from.
So I don't even know. You guys spoke to his ability on the field. Josh Jacobs and his media availability on Wednesday, yesterday, if you're listening to this on Thursday, Wednesday, if it's Friday, who cares? Josh Jacobs was asked about the different looks that he sees from defenses when Willis is in there versus when Love's in there. And he says, well, the defense when Willis is in there has had to play more honest because Willis can take off and run, right? That mobility, especially when Love was a little more gimpy when he came back originally, probably against the Rams, a little bit against the Cardinals, the Vikings, certainly.
It's a different look. So aside from the stuff on the field, which you guys kind of hit on, his ability to come in, learn all the material really quick, command a huddle really quick, get guys to buy in really quick, even though he'd been there less than a month. I think that sometimes goes under discussed. We just assume that all athletes, Hey, you're a pro quarterback, you know, get there and learn the material and, and figure it out. That's your job.
But I don't think it's that easy. And he deserves credit for that. Yeah.
Yeah. I w so if you, if you entered into the chat, the ability to nominate an executive coach, I mean, good against, I kind of feel like this is much like the Brewers where Arnold and Murphy both win their respective of the year awards, executive of the year and manager of the year. There's there are some other top nominees, but the floor as coach of the year and good against as executive of the year feel, I don't think it's local bias to say like, you know, certainly lions front office and coaching staff and just the consistency of the chiefs. But I think, I think with an, I think with a league average head coach are the, what is the Packers record given the injuries that have happened, like the ability, like we have to give Malik Willis the credit, but what, what Le Fleur has been able to do for him and with him after acquiring him, not even with any training camp or preseason is yeah. So I don't know, like you could easily argue whoever was most involved with the Malik Willis acquisition.
If it was Le Fleur saying, get me this guy, or if it was good at can saying, trust me, I'm going to give you this guy. He'll be great if we need him. Yeah. I mean, Xavier McKinney has been great. Evan Williams is a rookie has been great.
By the way, let me ask you this and then we can let Bart go. The suspension for Romeo Dobbs is the best thing that could have ever happened for Romeo Dobbs and for the Packers or, well, I just liked that the broadcast threw my line out there that he was rewarded for bad behavior, but like it's, he's a different player. He's a different player. Well, it shows them, it shows the, he is like his best, his best games as a pro have all been since it shows the importance of keeping things in house.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I think he was pretty good before that. I think he's been their best receiver all year. And I think he's made jumps this year noticeably from last year and the year before just in his route running and, and all of the things. And also like, what's, Hey, what's been the Packers biggest issue this year, right? If you were to say, Hey, like, uh, the Packers, the one thing holding them back, I would say like offensive miscues, like drops and penalties and just dumb mistakes. You know, who I trust more than anyone else in a got to have it play got Dobbs like he's the guy. So if I was Romeo Dobbs, who's, who's caught everything and made, he had a couple of moments against the Vikings, but for the most part, Ben, the guy who can be trusted on third down trusted on a game winning drive.
If I got to watch it on TV and wicks drop another ball, I got, got to see Jordan love, try to force another ball to Christian Watson and triple coverage. Like I get it. I understand it.
And I think his personality is a little quirky. Also shout out to bill Huber, who was like, right all along. And Packers fans were like, it was bill Huber all along simply be that he was frustrated with this. And the more we learned, I gotta, I gotta go pickle, right? I knew we had a cutoff. All right. Sorry. Sorry. We'll do more on that one. All right.
Oh, you're on part. We can't hear you. You turned your mic off.
All right. We don't hear you. You don't hear you. He had something really big to say. I was just giving some political takes.
So it's probably good that you didn't hear him. No, I was saying that somebody, I saw somebody that listens to your show cause they saw you on here. Grant. Oh, yeah. I like that.
It means this is worthwhile. I'm kidding. This is, I have, I have such a good time. Such a good time with you every week. Both of you, you know, that's true.
Don't get that. Look, my two Pauls, Emig and Chris. Thank you guys.
Ah, between two Pauls, you guys have a good weekend and happy Halloween. Wait. Bye. There we are. Oh, Jesus. All right. Thank you. Amen.
