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It is Mm-mm-mm-mm on Into the Winklerverse, featuring me, Bart Winkler, him, Grant Pills, he, Paul Imig, us, the trio of men that bring you the latest in recycled content. As I begin, we have a whole bunch of Packer updates in terms of the roster massaging. The big one everyone was worried about was, well, I don't know.
I mean, there were two of them. Kicker, Greg Joseph, Sia. The Packers got a new Narv dog in the house whose name I've already forgotten. What's his first name?
Charles? Braden. Braden Narveson? I'm going to keep calling him Chris Narveson. I mean, Narv dog at minimum, right?
So, if you're like, this is the way that the world works now. If you're like, Packer's got a kicker I never heard of. Has anyone done a deep dive on him yet online?
Yes, nine people have. So, enjoy if you must see every kick he's ever made. So, that's the big news. The other big news in Malik Willis news is that he will be donning the number two. Formerly worn by Mason Crosby. So, he will be back wearing the number two.
What else? Packers cut a bunch of dudes that have signed elsewhere. No surprise, Samari Tory is a former Packer. He is now with the Bears on their practice squad.
That's shocking. Anthony Johnson Jr. is with the Giants. There's another guy they lost.
So, you know, Packers. Royce Newman. Royce Newman where? Tampa? I don't know where he went.
He went somewhere. I knew Giants and I knew Bears. Yeah. So, the Packers lost some guys and they are continuing to massage their roster because again, what you gotta remember guys is that the roster that is put out on the Tuesday, it's just the initial 53. It's not the final.
In fact, there never is truly a final. It's always a work in progress. But I think I called, I think I referred to this week and cut day as like trade deadline for people that truly view these people as just like transactionary figures. A thousand people lost their jobs this week and we're all like, oh, did you see Grant the Bowside with the Bears? It's just a very weird, very weird week.
Anything in that that perturbs you the most? Grant, you're taking calls on kickers and backup quarterbacks for two weeks. I think the fact that Dubose and Anthony Johnson Jr. got claimed, that speaks to the depth of their roster.
Like, I think Andy Herman tweeted it out. It's something that I've been harping on this week. There were 26 players claimed today and the Packers had three of them. I don't know why Royce Newman was one, but the other two, like that's like, those are nice players. That speaks to the Packers depth.
I'm probably going to talk about it tonight. I don't know that I'd bring this up with my friend at the bar, but seeing I have two hours to fill, I'm going to wonder why we keep giving rich players. Anthony Johnson Jr. is better than Zane Anderson. He's the better safety.
He's a better football player and we're keeping Zane Anderson, which is probably fine, but at some point, if we're going to keep making those decisions, I'd like for his special teams to make some sort of impact, especially if you can't develop a kicker. Former NFL interim head coach, Rich Passaccia. Well, the thing too, what's driving me up a wall is that that unit, and I don't know what you guys do, but I call it the not so special teams. You know, that's clever.
And I like that it's original. Grant, the other piece for that, that you might've seen of the 26 claimed players, the Packers of which have three, they were Packers were tied for the most in the NFL of claimed players of whom they released with Bart's favorite team, favorite GM, John Lynch, and the San Francisco 49ers also had three players who they released get claimed by another team. Six of the 26 Packers or Niners getting claimed. Well, I'm hoping something happens during the taping of this, because if I said by tonight. What is there left to happen? Brandon Aiyuk. Oh, I see. So if something does not happen with Brandon Aiyuk today, I will not talk about him on my show for the remainder of the 2024 season.
That's quite a declaration. I don't care what he does. I don't care if he wins MVP.
His name is not coming up. We have spent way too much time on this situation. And I will not bring it up so I'm going to make a big deal that also tonight's a pretty light show so I need some sort of bit to carry me through the four hours. The other thing I want to talk about tonight very excited is I'm going to shit all over Deion Sanders. Well, you're kind of a Deion guy, I am but I'm tired of it. It's just every headline in the last two weeks is no matter what, it's not good enough. People are coming for Deion. My boss at one point weeks ago used this expression never heard it before.
I liked it. You got to aid in your own rescue. Like at some point, Deion, like if you want people to extend you some graces, you rebuild the shit program. You need to meet him in the middle somewhere.
And he seems to not want to do that. I like expression. So that one came to mind. I saw this one tweet where a guy's like, so one thing I do at my work is I just start making up expressions during team calls. And, like, see what if it ever picks up, like, whatever. So he goes one week he was like, Yeah, it's just, you got to, you got to get the horses. Something really stupid like get the horses you know to eat a dozen eggs or something really dumb. Who is this just some random guy on Twitter. Okay, so he's just saying, I make up phrases.
Got it in my session sessions. And then notice a couple weeks later like it's the one thing my boss drives home like he gets it's just a fun little game that he is playing. There's also this guy on Instagram, that is going to restaurants every day until somebody asked him, Do you want the regular, and then once they do that he never goes again. Now these are the reasons for social media to continue to exist.
But those and those alone. Anyway, Paul is a really good bit by the way I really like that. Yeah, it gets expensive. And if you're if you're the restaurant and you know about the bit, you get this guy for life. Have you ever reached that point I got that that way with a coffee shop in lacrosse, and I'm like this rules because it was the same, like two ladies every day and I like and I liked him but I'm like that means the money. I can't can't. And that actually they scared me off by being so nice to me.
Just, just captain and coach. Just. That I didn't stop with that, that did not deter me I only spent more money because of that but the coffee in the morning it deter me. There was a bar used to be in Fond du Lac, it was called JR's we went there it was so this is after our college. When we all move back home and we're the unemployed boomerang gang because we are boomerang back home, boomerang gang. And I would go we would go to this bar and no matter what, no matter what I ordered drink or eight. My bill is always 1975, so I can get two captains and leave 1975, I can get seven captains and dinner. 1975 is the greatest shit. We love we laugh live in love. Last week's episode, in which our main two topics were the Packers backup quarterback, and the Packers kicker.
In hindsight was clearly a prognostication of the best levels of the history of. Oh, yeah, people are still flocking to that episode, the power. I think eight people saw yesterday, we claim that's fail and and at, you know, at a revenue per thousand views of four bucks. That's eight cents.
You know, every dime counts. No, but seriously, I do want to say, as this news happened, not that this is like, wow, how could they have figured this out but it was interesting seeing this play out where not only they didn't get Tannehill they got a different Titans quarterback. And then the kicking situation being what it was I just thought that was pretty awesome from the Titans. Pretty interesting also from the Titans.
So we're taking all their garbage. Their kicker. Their backup quarterback. Matt Leflore. You should have on to talk about this. Jared Stillman. That's who you should have on your show he could help you break down all these moves.
Fun. What is what was his line. He had the Packer the Aaron Rodman was the thing he did he did he did like, I shouldn't have brought it up versus say that. Oh, the house in Nashville.
Yeah, but then he had like a line. Oh, I don't know. Ah, fuck. I can't.
I'll find it. It was like, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that guy go. Oh, didn't he get a show. I don't know. Oh, that's right.
What was it? Oh, it was two words. He was on a show called Stillman and Company open to joining the Titans. Oh, yeah. I was right. Well, open. And he did this open. He like did nine air quotes open his version of the Schefter. Can I just throw a quick one out that I brought up on the show last night, please. I said that if the Bears played Aaron Rodgers in the Jets in the Super Bowl, I would root for the Bears.
You would. And that's and that's I think that's actually less. Let me tell you why I think it got Austin to call in and like yelling. Let me tell you why I think that's and I don't know what you said.
I didn't hear this part. Let me tell you, I think that's the right move for a package fan, even a factory man who doesn't hate Rodgers the way you do. If the day were ever to come that Giannis leaves the box, hopefully won't happen.
I don't care what he does, as long as he doesn't have two championships, one with the Bucks and one with the new team. If Favre had gotten one with the Vikings now, it's the Vikings, not the Jets. It's different, but like one in one, like, oh, so like Rodgers had two and then got one with the Jets. I think for me, it would change the math to the point where I would start to call Jim McMahon has one with the Packers.
Yeah, obviously, I know you know that that's different. But in all sincerity, like that would be where you'd say, like, oh, God, I mean, half of his Aaron Rodgers is clearly a Packer. How come half of his Super Bowls are with another team? And then how come he just now clearly if the Jets are in the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl, it's because Rodgers played extraordinarily well.
And then that would have me say, why couldn't he have done that in the fill in the blank year championship game when he forced this pass? So the Bears to me have been irrelevant enough for long enough. And I think this is why you don't hate the Bears to the extent that you maybe do like even the Vikings. At least that's how I feel.
I think Vikings, I would root for Rodgers. That's what I'm saying. There's a difference. And I think part of it for me is like the Bears have almost become like that.
Silly older. I think older brother, you know, because like they think that I think are the Bears fans. The Packers are like Corey Matthews and the Bears are like Eric. We're in the early seasons. Eric was like competent.
But for the last 15 years, he was like a complete doofus. Very specific reference. But it means we're with everybody. It is. So I'm curious what Grant would say. And I would I'm curious for you to hear more about what you said, the the very vocal response that you got from Q was. But you're awesome. Awesome.
Sorry. You have done that, like in the past. But but I think I think it's for me, it's because I don't want you to go to another team and win a championship unless he's won two with the Bucks. To me, that's something I don't know why.
Maybe it's petty or silly. But like I would always want to say, like, well, the majority of the time was spent with the Packers, with the Bucks and was won that way. So I would probably watch it for the commercials and just the football would be the football. But I would be. More OK. From the legacy of Packers quarterbacks, like I was happy that Favre didn't go with the Vikings.
Grant. You know, I think it's Cone that always says that you have smooth brain when it comes to Rogers or like brain Rogers brain melt. Rogers annoys me, and sometimes I hold that against him with my takes or jokes that I make. But I don't know why you'd cheer for him or cheer against him when he's playing a division rival that you're like, the Bears will be a factor because I hate more.
I hate Rogers more than I hate the Bears. OK, but that's a that's a that's a you personal thing. That's not a sport.
That's not a sport. This is about who I'm rooting for. OK, well, that's fine.
Then that's a you thing. I just I don't think it would make any sense for Packers fan for football reasons. Like, I'll probably cheer for Rogers against the Bears the rest of the season. I'm probably indifferent on him. I don't want to see him win a Super Bowl somewhere else.
I don't know if I'd actively really aggressively cheer against him like I did with Favre, but there would be that part of me deep down. Kind of like deep down, I cheered against the Timberwolves, because even though I don't have a problem against them, it's like, no, we want a title. I don't I don't really want them to also get that thing that we had, like, you know, kind of just deep down, like if they win.
Cool. But also, like, if they don't, I'm kind of great. What do you think about what I said, though? Like, you don't think it diminishes the Rogers, even if you are either a pro Rogers guy or a neutral Rogers guy? Don't you think it diminishes when you start to say the legacy of Aaron Rodgers? He won two Super Bowls, parentheses, one Packers, one Jets. Like, well, that would be part of the book. Well, and this is an extension of like, how many points is Bart made about like Rogers MVP? Those those are for him.
Those aren't for me. Him winning a Super Bowl with the Jets would be additive to his legacy, but obviously wouldn't do anything for Packers fans. So I I don't think it would cheapen his Super Bowl. Also, that Super Bowl was so long ago now.
I don't. That's so that's carved into the football headstone. Like if Giannis wins another one, his first one was still very fresh. And is there anything to that?
Or am I am I just spitball? I mean, that Rogers isn't even the same person. Exactly. It feels like a completely different era of everyone's life, a different era of his career.
It they wouldn't almost feel connected. You were midway through sixth grade, seventh, seventh. Sorry. I was pretty close. It was great. I was so jacked up to go to school the next day. Oh, I can't believe you had to.
It sucks. We watched our quarterbacks, both of them far. One one and Rogers, one one.
And then we watched him for another decade plus. Not one. Yeah.
Well, and in Rogers case and for the majority of like not get to one. Yeah. All right. Anyway, what do you honestly I think, Grant, I if I were if I had your two hour sports show, like I would make that two hour. I would I would want a poll of like Packers fans. All right. And of course, would be a lot of people who just like vehemently say I was here for Rogers.
I love Rogers. And that's OK. Fine. But I still think. Thirty to 40 percent would say they would cheer for the Bears. I think I think it'd be less than 50 percent. I think more would cheer for the Jets slash Rogers, but I don't think it's like 90 to 10. Do you know?
No, I think I think almost everyone would cheer for Rogers in the Jets. You think like like you think 90 percent ish? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I think I think I think I'd be I do that topic. I do that for a segment if they were playing each other, like, hey, it's Thursday, we've hit all the Packers angles, you know, Jets, Bears this weekend. Who you cheer? Let's talk about that.
Like the week of for a segment. I don't know that I'm going to just because I don't think there's only so many parts out there. Most Packers fans be like, oh, no, I. You mean who have like a passionate Rogers take? Yeah.
Yes, there's not enough parts out there. Well, I mean, in this in this realm, Bart, you you're the common voice for the common man on so many other things. I just think this you're a little bit extreme. And Bart, you usually cheer based on like which fan base would annoy you less. And I'm surprised a little bit because I feel like Bears fans are your number one enemy fan base of any sports team fans, not the team. I think, you know, I Yeah, the Bears do annoy me, but it's it's more the Cubs. So Cubs are one are Bears to Bears fans or head of Vikings fans in the Bart hatred gauge, right? In the Bart O'Meara of it, Bears, Bears, Bears fans, I just feel like are part of the blue checkmark way where it's just saying shit to get attention.
Okay, well, I was actually gonna like, I love Parkinson's. It just seems like his thing so far is moving. Now, nationally, Caleb Williams narratives on FS one, just like throwing those. It's the same shit I would do do is a packer owner. I suppose. What did I say last night? Oh, I was I was saying a lot of shit last night. I would also contend that there's this huge portion of bears Twitter that's annoying as hell that we would never interact with if not for bakowski like bakowski is the land that attracts the moths that we would never we'd never interact with those people. They wouldn't exist.
They wouldn't operate the way that they do if it wasn't for like bakowski and a couple of other Packers people who just like want to fight everyone that like they they're glued to bakowski like a moth to a flame. Would you here's the other thing that like, would you want like the mic? Would you want next time you have on? I felt bad because I texted him on Monday and told him to kiss my ass because arrowhead beat his alma mater and some crazy awesome high school game on Friday and I'm like, Yeah, suck it. And he didn't respond. And then someone told me later this week. He's like, Yeah, Pete gave you a nice shout out on his podcast. I'm like, Oh, no, I feel like an asshole. Now you got you got telling like Pete, you like, there's a Simpsons bit where Montgomery Burns goes through like nine different layers of security to get to their head like console, or everything, and he's got to do a face recognition and a voice.
And by the time that he gets in there. There's actually a screen door that just opened and raccoons come in there. That's Pete Pete's that door, because we try to block and block all this outside noise and peaches like letting them in. I love it.
You got to tell them that I do I do like that I'll pass that along to me. Society was full of parts I just wanted to say, like baseline Bart, the way I look at life. It would be such a utopia. Everyone would have access to stuff. There'd be so many world problems would be solved. We would all love each other.
The one issue would be that no one would drive, because road rage would be number one cause of death by like extreme proportions. Geez. I mean, I was just, I mean I I've, I've, whoo. Some of these guys they cut me off and I'm ready to chase. How far is your drive to work. It takes 25 minutes, can you make it shorter for.
There anything we can do to make it shorter for this, I would love to just work like right there but I never got that rolling. Alright, question for you, topic for you. Many are saying the lesson learned here is that you should never draft kickers. My fear is that Brian Gudekins lesson learned will be, I should have drafted three kickers. That's a grant bills tweet, and I send it to you and I just said, that's what that should be the strategy that would be a good strategy I said what will save it for. So I'm going to say it like this. By the way, they packers do this like this is not like a foreign concept they've done it with running backs in the draft they've done it with wide receiver in the draft you draft three and you hope that one hits, but where they're at with the kicking situation and grant you posted that before we learned of the existence of Braden nervous and.
I was trying to see if I could remember that off time and I did. Braden nervous. Whether it be like the massage you take of this, or that they've had to sign as their new kicker and by the way that it's his job. The Packers are not keeping Anders Karlsson on the practice squad like this is it like this is the kicker. Let's say nervous and is a competent but clearly not like never going to be isn't a top 12 kicker right he's, he'll get you through a couple years.
Like, it's not great. He doesn't cost you a season but he's not great you clearly are going to need another one let's say in the next few years. The Packers strategy for finding that next kicker Brian good against strategy for finding the next kicker should be by trying to draft another one. You should go back to the try to draft a kicker thing. But the alternative is like, I don't know just hope you get lucky and under active for agency, or give a second round pick for Justin Tucker, whatever it might be, but knowing what's happened.
If you were Brian good against you and grant actually read for I think we started recording you said that you can probably relay the Brian good against quote but that he might give up on specialists too quickly. And I think this is a very long winded way of the Packers should not give up. They should try again. Don't be afraid to pack or should try again to draft a kicker in the near future.
They shouldn't be deterred or. I don't have a problem with them drafting kickers day three. If you want to use a fifth, sixth or seventh round on a kicker, which honors was a sixth. Go nuts.
Go nuts. Day one and day two picks a little different but if you want to use a fifth, sixth or seventh round on a kicker. Go nuts, because if the kicker doesn't work out. Everyone on Twitter said like that's why you never dropped kickers it's like okay but we don't do that for other positions. You know what I mean, like you don't draft a D lineman in the fifth round come on Martin was a fifth round pick, and he was gonna be.
I thought that's player in that fucking class, I thought he was I thought he was gonna be good too. And then he wasn't but we didn't turn around the next year and be like well that's why you don't drive line back and apples and oranges a little bit but whatever. If you think you're going to get a good kicker. I don't think it helps the odds though. Paul, and there's a lot of data to back that up that there isn't a higher hit rate for kickers drafted versus undrafted. If this kicker doesn't work they should go back to the well next year and try again. Yeah.
And if they want to use day three picks. Mm hmm. Fine.
I yes. Mm hmm. Bart, don't be if you're Brian good against don't be deterred by the, the miss that this is with Anders Carlson that if they need to whether it's next year the year after draft and they need another kicker. Go ahead and draft one don't be deterred by by this gap, or I try to not be a never guy.
Like the never been movement. Mm hmm. You know, there might be situations you want to bunt. There might be a situation you want to drive to kicker. Here's what I'll say though, the mistake that good against made was, they applied to kickers, what you should apply to every other pick kickers, I got these people.
I got these people like one of the things that people call in the most about that I don't ever bring up is. Should there be a quarterback salary cap separate. Like, who was mentioning this this is stupid.
No, but it repeats and I think it might even be the same guy. I don't know how many times I have to tell him no, sounds like he has a distinctive voice so it should be too hard to figure out, but with kickers or with with quarterbacks and this is why like people are like, I don't know about Jordan love half a season Jordan love half a season or given that much money I mean he's good but half a season. You're paying and you're drafting, not on what they did, but on what they're going to do.
Okay. With kickers. You don't fucking scrap that you don't draft the kicker based on potential kickers are what they are.
Hmm. If you can kick far you can kick far by college we know if you're accurate you're accurate, you can't develop a kicker. And certainly not because his brother was decent, this leads into grand Versace a thing. It's not like this guy's name is Dustin Tucker. We're doing this for honors Carlson and Daniel Carlson. Yeah, if it was like Tucker's brother, that's one thing. It's, it's Daniel Carlson so kickers are what they are. If you see a guy who's really good you're like, all right, I got six round pick I don't know, I'm gonna draft a guy I'm gonna cut anyway, might as well bring another kicker into camp. That's a totally fine use of your resources I believe.
I think another way to do that and scrap it is, I was not fucking around. They should have tried to get Jake Bates from the Michigan Panthers, the dude that's kicking 60 yarders in the U.F.L. who is now going to be kicker, kicking for the Lions.
Yeah, that's what I thought. The U.F.L. is a great way to see eight weeks of these guys, 10 weeks of these guys in pressure situations, kicking relatively close to when the season starts. Sign the best one of them. Don't take a 21 year old out of college and hope that he can be something, take a guy that's done it. With every other position, yeah, you want a hit, you want a draft, there's so much potential, we've seen it over and over. With kickers, it's not like, I don't know, I think developing the kicker made no sense to me and clearly they bailed on it as well.
Don't you think you should have a little bit of a reason to maybe think that way if you're paying your special teams coordinator maybe more than any other special teams coordinator in the league? Well, maybe that was a mistake. If you want to start the hashtag FireBassaccia, I might jump back on Twitter just to go with you. No, I'm not saying fire, I'm just saying interrogate. Yeah, apply pressure, right? We're here to hold those in positions of power accountable, Bart. And you snuffed me off at that idea last night, but it's true. It's not super catchy, but yeah, hashtag apply pressure to Bassaccio. It's kind of long.
Yeah, again, I need to figure out what exactly I'm going for here, but I'm going for something with Bassaccio, I don't know. So just as a tangent of the specialist conversation, the Bears used a fourth round pick on a 26 year old punter. Well, that's different, because he's fucking awesome. So my question is, if you knew... Hunter's different than Kicker.
Say more. They don't do the same thing. I know they don't, but like, where's your line? Oh, field position game? I'm saying like, are you saying one is more predictable than the other? Why is it so different to you? I think the punter can impact the possession. They're just different, dude. One scores points, the other doesn't. Yeah, I don't want to say he's more important or valuable because a kicker does jack shit for three hours in the afternoon, and then they just trot him out there four times.
It's like, oh, by the way, these are the four biggest plays of the game. By the way, what's interesting though, because it kind of goes to your thing of like, don't draft an unproven 21 year old kicker they can't really develop. He's not just a punter who went in the fourth round. He's a 26 year old punter.
Like he is what he is. So my question to you is, and this is much like the Justin Tucker's second round pick conversation for last week. If you knew that you knew it was foretold, it was guaranteed you were drafting the best punter in the league, the best for 10 years. You get 10 years of the best punter in the league, you would use a third round pick on that. If I had the best anything in the league, sure. Yeah, and punter you probably would say. I mean I'd trade a second round pick for Justin Tucker I said last week.
I would too. If I knew I was getting the best kicker in the league. This punter at Iowa, I mean, he's the reason Iowa was even anything, they couldn't do dick on offense.
So like, I think it was actually and I'm with so I'm with you on this, I mean a fourth round. This guy's name is Tory Taylor, but like he seems to be ridiculously good at his job as a punter in the NFL. And I don't grant hasn't shined in maybe he has no opinion or maybe he's holding back he's rearing up to just go crazy on this one but like I would much like I would also sorry Tony in Texas I saw your tweet but like I would trade a second for Justin Tucker I would you are stealing Tony's topics.
That's the thing is topic I'm in fact saying why I disagree but I bet he'll also disagree with this one. I would, I would use. Like, if every NFL team could have seen unequivocally like that Tory Taylor is as good as what he seems to be. Would other teams have tried to jump the bears now that they've seen what they've seen and not just watched as I think they know what he is but nobody, it's like the fourth round and like fucking punter. No, but I'm saying I would have like, if I would have known as much about him in the draft like I presume other GMs did knew more than I regular person knew. I would totally have used a fourth up head of the bears like that's a really valuable thing to have if he's the advantage. Let's say you have a replacement level punter, an average punter or better than average punter like sure how much value are you getting by being the best punter that versus just an hour like if you have an awful pie if you have a terrible pie yeah that's one thing if you have no punter to but wheeling's looked good.
Well, as well as Ron Wolf what his biggest regret is it what he didn't want to pay Craig Hentrick more than a million dollars because he didn't think kickers should or punters should make more than a million dollars. The other, the other side note, we didn't we drafted BJ fucking Sanders widow peak. That's right.
So what's that thing called. I think you had it right the, you had it right the first time. I mean I shouldn't judge about hair. He was also half your age when he got drafted, BJ. You got a little standard going on. It's a widow's peak what'd you say Paul I had to take my headphones off to what's the arts, what, again, this is our fun hypothetical game the better the bears probably like assumed that Troy Taylor would be really good but now they can like say it for a fact, what's the highest you would use a draft pick on a punter grant six or seventh rounder. So you would say even with the success that story Taylor has had. It was cray cray to get a punter. Did this punter. This specific guy is better than like the punters of the last 30 is by the way, we're paying a special teams coordinator a pile of money I'm not doing shit out of my way for him like you can figure it out with Daniel Whelan. Okay, like I don't, you're not getting roster spots dedicated to you. Cut down time every year, and a fourth round pick on a punter, and a fifth round pick on a kicker like no, no.
So what if the third day that's really good. All right, like I'm not going to flip out but third or fourth round pick Come on now it's a punter in, but again like let's just say like, I like the way you're thinking about it grant and we wanted to go too much deeper on this but it's the idea like if he if he is eight yards per punt a field position better than the second best guy, and that's not gonna be that. I don't think the distinction will be that significant but like, hey, it's a first down difference, approximately, more that the opposing offense has to get like I'm sure you could find a way to quantify the value of that. But anyway, the last thing I'll say on this is I just saw a tweet quoting Matt Leflore on the podium at the podium. Bart's guide to Mofsky said Matt Leflore called bringing in a new kicker right before the opener uncharted territory for him and he may have to take that into account on some fourth down decisions in the opener, quote, absolutely 100% I think you've got to take into account all the circumstances and quote.
So, now. Yeah. Good, go for it more on fourth down anyways that's right. I'm kind of you're signing a guy you're not confident and then don't sign them. Now he's saying for week one so like just to clarify but I still think that's kind of messed up. Corey has sent me he sent me a message yesterday about Yankee. No, I'm Corey doesn't like me I met him he's was pissed to see me. Yeah.
Some of these people have good reason not to. Why don't the packer sign messy. And while it's very like division three high school football of him to get your soccer player to be your kicker. We are going to fucking Brazil we could just sign a dude in Brazil just to kick a fucking long shape. That'd be sick. That would be sick of the Packers, just like had trials on a Wednesday. All right, all right, Brazil, we want to really grow the game. One of you are going to be a packer. That's what I would do.
Probably one of the better places, Iowa, and a soccer based country. Those are the places that you want to find your specials and I guess maybe Australia. All right. That being said, I do want to remind you, wait a minute, let me just do this I gotta say. Check him out by the way. I have something to tell you about happy place hemp calm, they have this promo code guys.
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You got to let me know if you get a check because if you get a check that's over 100 bucks I'm in. It's so easy to farm engagement on Packers Twitter. Oh, unbelievable. That's why all the national heads pick on us. We're such obvious marks for it. Can we do, I know you like when you get Bartle meter suggestions from Robert and Annapolis but how about most easily triggered fan bases.
I think that's one of the ones he suggested well really, yeah. I think this week I'm just gonna do my QB rankings that seems to be a thing people are doing this week. Okay, well sandals got his quarterback tears out. That's a big thing that happens every summer that's the start of football season. I like when grants is feeding families.
Yeah, it does feed families from a content perspective yeah sandals late season stuff. All right, here's what we have to get into. We're going to complain about maybe defend if you guys are umpires. Grant, you and I are, I think I'm pretty drastically different pages when it comes to quote Robo ump's or having having a system in place where like in the minor leagues where they tap the helmet to do the review and I think Bart's a lot more with you than he is with me especially because he's scared of the robot takeover, but grant you got to see firsthand and I have it saved here, your boy CB Buckner you got to watch a game live in which the Brewers played the A's lost by one run and CB Buckner gave 2.34 runs to the A's in a one run game. He missed 12% of his calls.
He he missed 18 pitches that were called incorrectly far more of those and a meaningful ones in favor of Oakland, or the A's whatever city they're going to be called his called strike accuracy was 78% 11 of his 51 called strikes were actually balls. Anyway, all this to say you got to experience it firsthand. And I know last week I think what makes us fun is we were texting about like, hey, after you saw on those Carlson missed the 32 yard field goal. Now would you trade a second for Justin Tucker, you're like, no.
Now that you've seen the backpackers back to a quarter. Are you sure you don't want Ryan 10 like so you know I did sometimes seeing like the new evidence doesn't necessarily sway you. You watched a CB Buckner game that that, you know, hurt the Brewers. Maybe that game will mean nothing at the end of 162 but you had to sit there and endure it.
He was awful. And he was awful in favor of the Brewers opponent costing them literally like they lost by one Buckner gave them 2.34 runs, guess what the difference is there. You're ready to have an honest sincere dialogue about the value that a helmet tap that an overcorrection of a ball strike, you're ready to have a conversation about why that could be beneficial for Major League Baseball. Or, I would rather go to roll arms before we do the stupid helmet tap without would just if I don't have measure, whatever the process is I don't really care but I'm saying something some kind of measure that I don't want to review that would remove this level of get rid of the horrible I'm CB Buckner sucks and he has forever and everybody knows it like we went into that game on Brewers Twitter like here we go like strap in because this guy blows at his job.
Okay, so he's, he's not Angel Hernandez, his name he's not Angel Hernandez and name but in resume he's just about right there. Get rid of the bad arms. Okay, now I will say seeing you mentioned that stupid helmet tap review thing that they started doing just go to robot arms before we do that either we trust the umpire to do his job or we don't. I'm not, I'm not doing both, because then I'm gonna get the best I'm going to get the worst of both worlds I'm going to get human error that then we have to sit there and correct.
No, no, no, no, no, just get rid of the bad ups. Just get just get rid of the bad arms that they make a horrible call. I don't want to review I would rather them replay it up on the jumbotron and then the umpire have to stand there and watch it with the crowd reacting that's what I want. Shame, public shame.
I like public I like the idea of public shame here's the other problem with your solution your solution will never happen. So I'm not gonna let you get away with that because they won't umpires union being what it is. They aren't able to do that like you saw how hard and how long it took for them to get Angel Hernandez out. I also think he had an embarrassment kink. I think he liked, he had to get off. Because no other man would do what he did for that long. No other man. No, but keep in mind he Angel Hernandez thought he was doing a great job. I don't think he couldn't have possibly thought that he thought he did have to be based on his terrific resume.
Okay, well then let's just not employ idiots let's just let's just have cognitive tests because I think he was missing a few screws, if that was the case. Okay, but let me know I'm not playing along with your topic and I'm not we're not getting productive conversation which is what is your goal. I just I don't want I don't want automatic balls and strikes because I don't want I don't want these games to be simulations. I don't want it to be like a game of risk where we're just rolling dice and and letting the outcome get decided like there needs to be some active participation.
I guess I still understand that why you would want that active participation from a third party. This is part of the game like the two teams. Paul let me step in here because here's, here's what's happening with baseball.
And, which by the way, per grant bills is a better product than the NBA so I mean, Grant loves it like, like, sorry, go ahead. No, I got interrupted me that. Yeah, I know.
I pulled a you. So one thing that I was bitching about this week I just want to get this in there is. And this is part of my point. What's different about the American League and National League right now, what's different. I think nothing right. They all play each other, there's no different rules. So why do we have an AL MVP and an NL MVP. Why we still doing that. The way that it's always been done. Yeah, it's fucking stupid.
We don't have an AFC and an NFC we don't have an Eastern or Western. So why are we doing it. Good question. So I've been trying I've been driving, I've been talking to people on the show I've been like please tell your friends this and I'm saying it, trying to get an article written about me. I use this one of my sports minutes. Do you guys hear those minutes or no, you're not Aaron.
We don't know I don't program shit. I got to do them every day. But it's like my chance to get on like some stations that I'm not on. So I'm like, I gotta I gotta be, I gotta be big with this one so the fuck said that. Sometimes it's, you know, works out for art Winkler has no filter.
Yeah guys I just want us all to get along. Infinity Sports. Baseball, more than any other sport I might say, is continually looking for ways to remove strategy. Right. You're putting a picture or a picture limit on you guys got to throw three three outs. If you're a reliever in most cases, you've taken away the designated hitter, you've taken away all these things. I feel like when you play a game.
Everything is a variable, who you're playing against the field that you're on I mean the fields are different. Should we all should we all manufacture the same fields, great take it should ever be all pulp, I bet Paul thinks so. I actually, I actually love the flagpole and center field in Houston.
Look, that was kind of stupid but I wish it was still there. I thought it was I thought it was cool I mean I didn't want people to get hurt but like I thought it was really cool, but everything like some, some stadiums should have their bullpens on the side like oh fuck that sucks that's weird. Every dimension, like we're conforming all these NFL stadiums are the same like in appearance everything's conforming the umpire. I think should be looked at the same way as the dimensions of the field and the weather. It's a variable that you need to figure out how to best it.
No, let me tell you why it's different. You, you like both teams have an equal opportunity to like understand the wind and to understand the patterns of the wind can change throughout the game. But it rains in one half inning, not the other, there are measurable ways that big.
Oh, it went up from 13 miles per hour to 16, and now it's going southwest and not do south. There's ways you can say like okay we can like plan for this. The whims of an idiot behind the plate are an uncontrolled variable. I like variables variables are fun field dimensions, the green monster, the bullpens on the side like less room behind home plate for a catcher to catch a pop up pop up behind home plate. What about if the sun gets in Garrett Mitchell's eyes and the ball drops 20 yards in front of them.
That's an uncontrolled variable can't control the sun can control how you react to the sun and play off the sun, and you can control you react to these batters and maybe if these batters weren't so dependent on. I don't know it's close, the uncle save me, how about you just swing the fucking ball which is what we're all there to see your head on watcher that because hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports at the hockey. Garrett Mitchell looks the part.
So maybe he should. I think, as I'm about to look like Garrett Mitchell, if you look like any brewer. I'm about to do a thing.
I look like Oliver Dunn. As someone who coached baseball at a pretty high level. I can set up like, but like the teaching of the strike zone, the understanding of a strike zone the discipline of the as a hitter with the strike zone is a crucial skill to success. And if you're going to tell guys like well we don't actually know what the strike zone is because this umpire thinks it's over here and this umpire thinks it's over you don't know what pitch the pitcher is going to throw.
I'm not sure what that means. You don't like you want like not everything needs to be defined, you don't know what's coming between you and the other professional baseball player, that's a good thing between you the other professional baseball player, and a bozo who can't tell the difference between six inches outside or a strike, and who is to Grant's point I know we're talking specifically about CB Buckner but like, there should be. Okay, I would, I would meet you in the middle so to speak and say you know what the call can't get overturned, if it's only an inch and a half outside.
If it's more than an inch and a half outside you got to reverse it. Like, that's like there's an acceptable like error like an acceptable like error percentage right so yeah I guess you really should have swung. You can't be taking you can't be taking full count pitches that are, you know, six, like a half an inch off the plate and saying, Oh, what are you doing up. That was a ball.
Because there's a difference between a ball and like a six inches outside ball. No, because this is just another version of what we already have which is well we'll reverse the call if it's wrong. If it's clear right and indisputable, we can look at a call and say well that's the wrong call but we can overturn it. So, so we're going to be able to look at call and say hey that's a bad call but it's not bad enough to overturn it. I'm saying this is my compromise. I wanted to be if it's a ball it's a ball, and I want it overturned by by someone sitting up in the booth that says well that was a ball. If I have to compromise. I'm going to say okay like there's a 4% error gap that we're willing to say you know what it was but that's my compromise.
I don't want that. I want it to be clear and concrete if it's a ball it's a ball. The technology's changed so in 20 years, you might get different balls and strikes based on the technology that you're operating system accordingly.
Yeah, I might. If I could pick replay or no replay. I would say no replay. Are you saying in sports using in baseball in all sports, agreed. My main thing that I want in sports. My main thing with all these rule changes is, I want kids to be able to go to a park and play the game. The way that it's played at the major league level.
Okay. I want them to know what the rules are. Are we playing like in high school we playing NFL field goal are we playing college catch are we playing like what are we like what the game should be relatively good game throughout. You don't have instant replay at these lower levels. The biggest bullshit that I have ever seen that like when I see it and it makes me so mad is in like a high school basketball game when mom's taping the fucking game, and there's a call at the end and she goes, I have it on my phone. You need to look at this, sir.
That's not how it goes, man. Here's a sport that you. By different levels like Paul in different levels of baseball. There's 50 cameras at an MLB game. There's like six in the North Woods League. So you're going to now try to figure out what you got all these different levels and now and now what if the camera operator like had a hiccup during the fucking thing and now you can't even fucking see the right camera.
We need to rely on humans. Your main sport was soccer, right? My main sport growing up was tennis. It's not the same even it's like professional tennis, you have a guy sitting in a chair.
Right. You have a guy sitting in a chair, and even with that there's replay growing up playing tennis, even at high levels of youth tennis, you call you you call your own ball that goes in or out, while you're trying to hit it on every single so like some guy wants to be players you play. Well that guy he likes to call he cheats he's this guy's a cheater this player you're about to play against is a cheater, and all you can really do to combat is that, are you sure anyone played tennis like I did grow is like, all you can say is, are you sure, which is basically like a shaming way of saying I know it was fucking in you're just a dick. The point is, I don't think there's any sport golf, I actually don't know is golf one, but like there's no sport where people sit at home and try to fucking ruin tournaments. Your argument though is like, well I want it to be the same, but even in one on one sports, like tennis, it's not the same. Pro tennis players are not having to sit there and like, watch the serve come their way and determine while determining how to hit it, was it in or out and do I have to yell out before I hit it back.
So if there's just there's never a perfect like well I want it to be exactly how it is in the professional leagues versus youth sports like by this argument though by my argument, I would have to then counter a different argument, and I would have to have, I would have to advocate for shot clocks in high school, which would be a good thing. I don't know. The pirates are so shitty they were up 10 to three and the Cubs just took an 11 to 10 lead in the night, God they're fucking embarrassing. Look, I just you know what I hate you know my worst nightmare Paul is, is that bottom of the night to one run game. These two teams have been walking a pitching dual bullpen tightrope for an hour. Every baseball fan is at home is sitting on pins and needles there's two outs bottom of the ninth full count pitcher throws a pitch on the fucking black of brings them up. Everyone's going nuts. No fucking dude.
Yeah. Oh God, and then the announcers are like and we'll see. And it's over but first Oh God we have taken you pure joy out of moments. Al Michaels is like and he's in for now it's like can we draw I just want to know flags, I get it. I get that I like when the football thing where it's like a kickoff return especially upon return especially where there's almost always a flag in every play.
It sucks to have to check the field for a yellow flag to see if it's going to stand. Is this going to stand, but grant to the point of your example, like, even the team that would win that game like if it was a bad umpire call and the stadium erupts. Even the winning team would be like, like, you know you you if you were a decent human, and you won the game that way.
You would always look back and be like, like, I cheer for the Milwaukee Brewers I know I would not feel that I wouldn't. Oh, we didn't. I suppose. Sure, but that is that not a nightmare to you does not make you cringe the thought of games ending that way. I would rather that not be the case, but it doesn't outweigh the positives of the call being right. Players, and especially because like in those situation grant, I think it's even worse because umpires are humans who are feeling the moment they're feeling the moment they're feeling their spot of it. Yeah, I was gonna say that's part of it.
It's an awful part of it. Should not be part of the moment, you should fuck off and just I think, I think if there's two outs in the bottom of the ninth and the game winning runner the tying run is in scoring position, and the pitches this much below the strike zone, and the stadium's going nuts. I think the umpires a bitch if he doesn't bring the hitter up on that.
And if my player gets rung up on that I'm like, you can't leave it in the arms hands in that moment, and I'm, and I'm not wanting you did up to that game. If you leave a moment up to the ump, you didn't win the game. If the bigger margin of error. If you're ever relying on an ump.
Fuck you. That's why if you want to have a margin of error conversation, I will give you like an inch off the plate can be called more than that. I think it should be a half inch, and now we're having a debate about that.
Another stupid rule on top of a rule. Fine. I'm saying wherever we would settle.
I'm willing to negotiate with you. I don't want too much negotiation in sports. I'm saying if you want to be like hey it's a half inch or I don't really actually care, but I'm saying there has to be a rule at which you'd say because then grant you can, this is here. This is why I think it's important because then as the hitter and as the hitting coach, you could teach the guys, there's an acceptable amount that you're going to have to recognize, it can still be a strike even if it's not. You still train your eyes to know what is or is not an acceptable margin of error for the ump's call. If the Brewers are that play away from going to a World Series in your lifetime, winning a World Series, and then you're going to always say that fucking ump. That was a ball, and he got sucked up in the moment, he got caught up in the heat, he had to be a part of the moment, it will, like, anyway, I know I'm not gonna like convince you to join the good side. No, I know that the thought of that is horrific because as a Brewers fan I might get one shot, maybe possibly, and like, and to be on the wrong side of that would be honestly for me it would be like okay I'm done with this for permanently, like that would be like disabling and that like, okay, I can't, I'm not, no, can't do it. Which is probably why it's similar a similar feeling to like, what was it. Saints Vikings, they had it was a chance to was that the one with the passenger fairness call when they started reviewing passenger fairness for a while.
Rams Rams saints. Yeah, they reviewed it for a year and took it away, like that's dumb. I also don't like rules that we add where I we add them and it's like, that's never gonna, we're never going to use that that's never I don't like needless rules either. You're talking about we're gonna we're gonna have to form a committee and a subcommittee times this hip check tackle going to be called.
I don't know, three, the most dumb obvious ways to benefit Kansas City all three. I don't know. All right. I mean, there's a lot of times I like to go in these kind of like yeah Mike you convinced this way and I think you probably once or twice you guys have come around I know I've come around a couple things but I knew this one would probably be a stalemate. Bicker about and not resolve but that's okay.
Well wouldn't be a stalemate if you could just not be wrong. This is a treat. I don't think I have to go away. I do too.
Work to do. I don't think anyone's gonna hear this and like, I feel like this is one that people are probably like, we're not we're probably a good example of baseball fans. They, they're not going to like change their mind on this one. This one is like you're dug in on the I'm talking on this one, I know that and then it'll get added and I will care. That's what will happen.
Yeah. All right, guys, thank you so much grant bills Paul image thanks for coming into the Winkler verse. We've got more content for you this week should have some pics in the coming days. Stick around. As always, you can catch me on the Infinity Sports Network across stations throughout the country. Central time you can figure out the rest Odyssey app and Sirius XM Channel 158. We will talk again. Thank you for enjoying today.
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