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MmHmm/Mm-mm: The rise of Donte DiVincenzo, best NBA supporting cast, Jrue Holiday vs Khris Middleton

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MmHmm/Mm-mm: The rise of Donte DiVincenzo, best NBA supporting cast, Jrue Holiday vs Khris Middleton

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Bart, Paul and Grant get together for an NBA Playoffs heavy episode taking a look at how some former Bucks are embarking on very successful playoff runs

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Why the hell isn't he yours yet? A couple news and notes. Brewers got a win where they had like seven home runs. Sorry. Come on. Paul, it's like a two-hour game. Just skip through it. You're all good.

But that would have been a good one to take the kid at. He likes to see Bernie down the slide. Yes. Packer schedule, I think we have it. Kyle Kuzinow just tweeting it. I do take his word on these schedules.

Yes, he's good at this. I saw him on this text chain where, you know, we want to go to a trip. We've gone to all the road games. So, it's either an NFC North team or LA. But we've seen the Rams before but that was in St. Louis. So, what about Tennessee?

Did you say that? We've been to Tennessee. We've been to Jacksonville. We've been to Seattle.

And we're not going to Brazil. Yeah. So.

Xenophobes. We will probably go to Los Angeles which collectively a lot of us thought, oh, these bigger trips we'll take when we're older and more secure. Sure. But now we're all like older and like a flight to California. Jesus Christ. Like go far away. LA traffic. Oh my God. We should have went there when we were younger.

But then I have one buddy. He like sent us a message at eleven. He goes, got the schedule guys. And look, I don't recognize this Twitter account. I type it in. It's some guy who tweeted a text message to himself.

The tweet had 197 views. It's like, well, how did you find this? But that's that's what schedule release day is. I will be breaking down the win loss with Ryan Horvat at a time very soon.

I don't want to get too much into this because I have three questions I'm really excited to talk to you guys about. So let's do like the one minute version of schedule release day is dumb. Just wait till seven o'clock or.

Well, it's dumb because we've waited five months. And then all of a sudden. Like today and there. It's just like it's it's. It's a it's a bunch of. Like we are we are uncovering this big secret, which is not it's all theater.

It's all like source theater. Like, look what I just discovered. I just discovered this who I found it. I got the treasure map. I went and found the, you know, immunity idol.

It was under the tree. The Packers and the Rams are playing week five. It's like. Well, how do you just know? I mean, what is what is happening here and what are you doing? You're like you're like you're waking up at eleven, knowing the schedule is going to come out at seven.

So this is something you want to do. What are you doing? You're you're digging through flight logs. You're calling sources in the dolphins.

Like, where are you traveling like this? It's just so much work for. What's the payoff? Knowing information slightly earlier than we would have known it anyways. That's the payoff. This is why this is why I don't like insider culture.

I brought this up on my show. If you are a journalist that uncovers something that wasn't going to be uncovered. Like that's that's brave.

That's that's powerful and moving. That's important. But these insiders is like, I want to be the one to tweet something out 15 minutes before we're going to learn it anyways. Like, I don't know what's the point now if you tweet this stuff out during the midday show, the one that I produce. I mean, I'll take the content. Yes, I will.

I'll partake. But it's not necessarily the same concept, though, that is like Woge knows the draft pick 40 seconds before it's on TV. Right. That's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst of all is the value here.

60 seconds early. Just because you can. That's why they do it. That's the value. Power, money, sex.

Especially with Woge. That's all we want in this world is power, money and sex. How's that for an opening? PMS, I call it. I think you just stumbled. Yeah, all I want is PMS. All right. All right. I won't ruin any other afternoon baseball games. Paul, go ahead. Oh, thanks, bud. Starting with Bucks adjacent.

Dante DiVincenzo would not have been this good had he just stayed with Milwaukee. Mm hmm. Or mm hmm. Well, let me ponder on that one first. Great question. Thank you. Because I decided to hear your thoughts and excited to share mine.

Go ahead. I like to talk about Draymond Green a lot that they got the best version of him. Yeah.

Like the best version of Draymond Green ever in the NBA is him getting drafted to that team and them needing him and him needing them and that whole thing. Yes. I don't think there's another I don't think there's. But then to that point, if that's in him. Like if if that skill is achievable, then it's always in you. So for Dante. This this Dante, it could have been like it could have been there always. But what culture fosters this version of Dante? Right.

And maybe I mean, I'm going to go with a real soft. Yeah, I mean, maybe my my instinct just instinctually is probably not that he would not have been this good had he just stayed. I think the journey bouncing around four teams in two years is the reward. I think that playing alongside Steph maybe helped a little bit. Well, that's where I'd like to interject really quickly, because they said on the broadcast of game three or four that Dante had credited his three point shooting change. Not just his percentage change, but like the process of his shot in the form of a shot to Steph Curry. He would not have had that experience. He would not have played with some of the guys he's played with, had the experiences he's had. So you can literally trace it back, at least in the one case of his three point shooting to playing with Steph Curry. Now, none of this changes the fact that, yeah, I think the Bucks lost the Dante for Ibaka trade. I'm pretty sure on that one. But would he would he have been this good had he just stayed in Milwaukee?

My answer is emphatically not only because of the journey and the path and the different coaches and players he's played with along the way. But I really think there's something to this Villanova trio. Josh, Josh Hart is like, oh, there you go. You hear that? I hear that. Hang up.

Who is it? It's my friend Travis. Shove it, Travis. We're talking. Is he is he calling your cell phone? Because, you know, there's a switch on the side. He's calling. This is coming through my computer. OK, that makes sense.

And I don't know how to turn that off. Does he know not to? I mean, he's a he calls you randomly and he's the only friend that still calls me like that.

I know better. So all of this to say the Bucks lost the Dante. He's calling about the schedule.

He's calling about travel. Yeah. So they lost the they lost the trade with Ibaka.

Mm hmm. He would not have been this good had he stayed in Milwaukee. So my question was for you, Grant, Dante would not have been this good. Well, I just want to say one more thing, too, is he would probably have been traded later on. Yeah, but like if you right now or you just say, hey, we will clear out our OK, so let's do that.

Let's do the the trade. Bobby, Pat, number twenty three and number thirty three for Dante, you would do that as the Bucks or now this will never know. So you wouldn't know you would now that he is this version of Dante. Now you're fast forwarding to present day and he is, in fact, this good. Is he not like exactly the guy that you the type of player? Well, to to do a preview of the Bucks roundtable that me, Jim Ozarski, Bart Lundy and Dario Melendez, who Bart have done taped and it will air Saturday at six thirty and ten thirty on WISN 12.

Set your DVR or better yet, watch it live. Coach Lundy says, you know, the way that Doc Rivers used Portis. Could be advantageous to his future in Milwaukee, he liked the way that he was used. He also liked let me tell you this little tidbit on the show, I say we talked about running it back and I say. I think you need to run it back, but and you need to drill in like this is your last chance.

You need a you need to create urgency with this group of veterans because they don't have it. And then in the parking lot later, he said, you know, that was a good thing. That was a good line you said about urgency.

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You need Indeed. But what he would like if if the Dame trade happened when the Suns have been like, well, fuck, Grayson, we'll take Dante. We don't want this piece of shit. Maybe.

I don't know. I just feel like I feel like at some point you would have been traded. But then also we thought Bobby and Pat would have been traded five different times by now.

Yeah. Well, but, you know, at this point, though, the trade value of Dante way up here, the trade value of Bobby and Pat way down here. Like Bobby and Pat, I don't think are assets in the in the trade market.

I think there may be neutral assets. You can maybe get them for another type of a Bobby or a different guy of a Pat. But like, they're not like, oh, like, what can you like when people say, oh, I wonder what they can really turn around and get for Bobby.

I'm like fucking nothing like you can get another guy, another body, but you're not getting value, man. Like Dante has he's really playing well, but he would not have been this good had he just stayed, is my opinion. Grant Bills, Dante would not have been this good had he just stayed in Milwaukee or I think he probably benefited from playing by Steph Curry. Yeah. And I think right now he's definitely benefiting by playing with his Villanova guys.

I think I think those two things, these two stops have really helped his game. Both things can be true. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and let me throw in a third. I also think a third thing can be true. I think the biggest issue between Giannis and the Bucks was just timing. I think I think a big part of it was timing. He wasn't healthy on their title run. If he would have been healthy and would have been a part of that, who knows? Maybe he's not traded because he's thought of as this maybe not a pillar, but at least a brick, not a cornerstone, but a brick, a foundational brick of a championship team, some sort of brick. Yeah.

I don't know. Like if the Bucks know when the title is, Bobby still here. We think of him as a big piece of why they won that title.

So just a point of comparison. I think the biggest issue with Dante and the Bucks was timing. And if he stayed here this whole time, maybe he wouldn't be this good of a three point shooter. Maybe he wouldn't be the type of attitude and the type of player that he is next to Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart. But I think he could be 80 percent of what he is now, at least.

Yeah. And a guy that can get hot from three and play defense and bring some toughness and attitude and play above the rim. Like we'd kill for that guy.

So, yeah, I think for the most part, I think I think he would still be really good. The Bucks and him just didn't work out for timing reasons. We've all had a crush in our past. Bart, you know, you talked about think about your time at UWL. It's like, you know, me and me and her, we never it's never on the same page. I always seem like maybe that might happen. Willy Wony, you know, type of situation. And you look back and you're like, it was just timing.

It just didn't work out for us. You know, back then, I think I think Dante and the Bucks, it's very similar. I do remember the conversation at the time was Bucks fans were essentially having I never had that problem.

My timing was always now let's do it. It was basically the choice was like, keep Dante or keep Grayson. Do you remember this?

Like this was the topic. If I'm being honest, I don't really remember that. Dante was injured during the championship run.

P.J. Tucker doesn't come back. Grayson Allen comes like you. Yeah, it was for those who are listening and will remember that like it wasn't a literal like, hey, you can only have one. But from a front office perspective, it was it was kind of like and perhaps incorrectly. But it was certainly framed as like, well, you keep you keep Dante or you keep Grayson long term. And I'll I'll admit, like at the time, I was like, well, no, Grayson is the knockdown long range stretch the floor shooter that you need more so than the slashing Dante, which is more of what he was known for.

Then now he's a lot more of a versatile player. Do we do we think that this is the new Dante or do we think he's having a heck of a series? Is this a moment or a movement? Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. And even if it is just I think it's I think it's a movement. And even if it is just a moment, it's a great moment.

And I'm not taking away from it. But tell me that was a mini can, Paul. It is. Oh, my God. I was like, you're that's your hands are not that big. Pick it up again. I was like, you got Andre the giant, man. It's like, oh, my God.

All right. A little Dan Cheney YouTube action right there. Just some video hijinks, video hijinks. But I do think this I think Dante has reached the absolute 100 percent possibility outcome of his talent because of where he's played, because of the Steph Curry teammate part of it, because he's playing with his Villanova guys. He has reached the maximum outcome any Dante believer in college could have hoped he would ever achieve when the Bucks drafted him.

He has reached it and there's nowhere else to go like this is as good as he could have possibly turned out to be. And he's fun. He's fun to watch.

It's fun to watch the next watch. I will cosign that. I'll just say this real quick on the next. They are my I'm realizing this. They're my team. Like they're not it's not even like I should like the Timberwolves more. I should like the Thunder more. I'm enjoying their like I like watching their games. But I was really letting me down, man. Those motherfuckers.

I will. But I'm watching the Knicks like it's such a perfect blend of the exact type of team I want to watch the exact type of basketball I want to watch playing against the type of team that I just hate. You know, everything about the Pacers.

So it's a wonderful time to watch the series. But I do think they'll win. But OK, well, the Pacers and Pacers went at home and then the Knicks went home.

That seems like what's going to happen. Denver's probably got this wrapped up. Chuck text me after game two.

He's like, dude, you might be on it with Minnesota. And I said, frames. You got to listen to me. I know ball. I know playoff basketball. When I'm right, I'm right.

Yeah. And then Denver comes back and Jokic, who I just you know what? I'll just admit it. I don't like him. I don't like him. I don't like I don't like where he places historically. I don't like how we all like this whole bit about the horses. I think it's I think it's lame.

I think disgruntled guy. I think I don't like the bit. I don't like the act. I don't like the one instance that I had in a postgame locker room with him that has affected me to this day. I don't like that he stole an MVP from Giannis. I don't like. Yes.

Which one? Twenty two. Well, here with the MVP thing, just 30 seconds.

Not even like Jokic, his progression of winning MVPs followed the progression. It should you win one. Great. You win another. Awesome. Great.

But now you're in a different class. So we need to see you do it on a higher level before you're considered again. Then he won a title and he was considered again. And I just don't know why Giannis didn't get the same treatment because he's been brilliant the last two years. And it's not that he's not winning. He's not a serious MVP candidate at all. Like he's not even in. He's not even in the conversation. Right.

Like he's getting the killer. So Giannis, he was at swimming again. Yeah, I feel like I feel like this is a massive deal.

It is. I just go to my kids swimming and I just see Giannis and he just is a normal dad and he's allowed to be a normal dad. Like, I didn't see anyone go up and take his picture. I'm sure everybody, you know, if Giannis came up to you and says, would you want my picture?

Yes. But everyone's just like, you know, it's Giannis. I'm going to text him. Everyone's on their phone texting, you know, this is here.

And, you know, maybe take a shitty picture. I showed my son, I go, hey, there's Giannis because he knows Giannis. He said, oh, is he still hurt? Oh.

And I said, I don't know. I think they I think they protected him because Jimmy Haslam knew they were going to lose. That's what you told your son. Is he familiar with the angle that Jimmy Haslam brought to the. Yeah, the whole pilot, Jay, he's familiar with all that. These are the things you would understand.

You will understand one day. You just tell them all about the ownership, like hierarchy and the governorship of your favorite basketball. I was going to say ownership is leading language that we.

Well, the other day, the other day I was at the park with him again, he's four. And I was telling him that, you know, trickle down economics does not work. And then he was he presented this whole case study and how it does really.

Yeah, he's very, very affluent and very familiar with the ways of the day. I'll tell you what form of economics does work is that that's me giving you a promo code and then you're using it. Wow. And Happy Place, hemp dot com. The promo code is Bart. Now, make sure you use it, because Austin, who told us the other day, he said he ordered drunk and forgot to put the code in.

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Dame Brooke and Chris Jamal, Aaron Gordon and Michael Porter Junior, you would rather have the Bucks trio. Mm hmm. Or mm hmm. It's a good question. Thank you. I didn't get what you were going for at first, but now I realize now you're now you're talking S.C.'s supporting casts like that. Is this around Yanis, not around Yanis? Just in general, this is what you get. You get this trio and Jokic and Yanis not part of the equation. You know what?

Hit it. Dame's going to come back stronger than ever. Mm hmm.

Dame's the best player of those six. Absolutely is. I'm taking that. Me too. Mm hmm.

Grand. That was going to be my logic is best player. I I think Aaron Gordon, although Jesus Christ, he's looked like Kobe the last couple of games.

Like some of the people shooting out of his rear end, I think. Chris Dame Brooke, I think I would I think I would take that trio. Yeah. Dame has showed for a long time that he's more consistent because theoretically we're navigating a regular season with this trio as well. Right.

Yeah. I mean, Dame has been. More reliable over long sample sizes than Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray's point is like, right, he levels up in the postseason. Dame has shown that he can specifically. Yeah, mostly against the Lakers final 10 seconds of halves and quarters.

Jesus. I don't know why, by the way, but that half court shot that Jamal Murray made was made infinitely cooler with the camera angle of Kevin Harlan. Like, I don't know what it is, but you know why it was awesome because I don't know what it is, but Kevin Harlan being on video.

Let me just tell you something. When I was at Radio Row for the Super Bowl, not to bring this up. There were there were no people in the Super Bowl. Well, the Super Bowl. There were no people that I ran into or talked to or engage with where I was starstruck, except for Bobby Flay. But he's not even in sports.

So that doesn't count. The one person, I swear to God, Kevin Harlan walks into Radio Row and it's like Jesus arrived. Like the horde of people, like the personality and the aura of that man.

I've never seen it before. So like that called just to see him in the frame, like to see him at work. That was that was very cool. And I I want more shots like that where we get and I know it happened right in front of the table. But yeah, that was cool. That was really cool.

Then I take the box trio, though. That's a that's a jump off. But for me, it was a jump off the couch moment. Well, like what the fuck, you know, like because not only the terrible imbalance pass down the court, the steel, the clock running out, the shot, it goes in.

He's in front of the answers table. That is like very hard to replicate in professional sports that and that. And it was arguably you tell me like it was arguably like the most important 90 second stretch of the series because the wolves were right there. And they had just gotten a couple stops, which are so hard to combine. It's like, all right, we're going to go into halftime and it's going to be right there. And then Denver has this flurry that's punctuated by the shot.

It was just. Yeah. So Jamal Murray can do that. But I've also seen Chris Middleton do things and make shots very similar to that in big moments.

Normally they're not rewarded with wins. Right. Like the shot in Boston or the one against Indiana.

But I think I would take the box trio. Yeah. Well, it's not like you haven't seen Dame. Not that he's made a half court shot in front of Kevin Harlan necessarily. But I mean, hell, Dame time was born because of shots similar to that. Bad shots.

That's a bad shot. We should point out. And like, I would think this would be a fun.

Actually, you know what? Can I have a I'll give it during the playoffs, a Bartlemeter suggestion. Remove the each each 16 playoff teams best player.

And who has the best supporting cast trio just underneath the star. So it's not hard. We've got we've got to see that in a lot of these series like that. Yeah.

Oh, that is calves again. The heat. The box is a great it's a great topic. And I'm not trying to put it.

But as you as you're saying it, it's like, shit, we've we've been watching this for the last three weeks. Yeah, yeah, it's fair. It's fair. I want to do a Bartlemeter about like with all these. I might rank the streaming services.

Do you have but is your network like connected to any of them that you need to? Yeah. Yeah.

Where you need to tread lightly. I don't think so. Not paramount. Maybe. I don't think it's not related to you anymore.

We have no TV connection. Oh, it's totally set. Okay.

That I know of. I mean, it's Max, right? It's Max and Peacock. You like the ones I watch the most are Peacock and Disney.

I think. But Grant, that's only because for Bart because of wrestling now and then also Marvel. But you watch them on Peacock.

What wrestling? Oh, no, I was. I thought you were saying Marvel. No, I'm watching I didn't I haven't seen X-Men 97 yet. I'm starting with the old cartoons.

Mm hmm. And then I watched the Daredevil with Ben Affleck that they just put on there that was fucking bad. Yeah, don't watch that.

Holy shit was that bad. We're two months away from Deadpool and we'll Deadpool and Wolverine. Very another another Ryan Reynolds snarky sarcastic movie. I wonder how this one will be. Can we not grant? Okay.

I'm sure it'll be great. Can we not with this with this nonsense? So sick of his stick. Yeah, but but but everyone like, but no one is though. How? That's all right.

I agree. He's got a new movie. Not fall guy.

Which one is it? Where he just if he's just the frazzled adult sarcastically reacting to chaos around him, that's every fucking movie he's ever been in. And I get like, look, a lot of actors like Kevin Costner is the same person and everything he's ever been in. I get it. It's just I know he can do baseball in a Western. I guess Ryan Reynolds doing a superhero movie, whatever. I'm in the minority on this. It's fine.

It's fine. But specifically, though, I like Ryan Reynolds movies. Deadpool is just elite superhero movie dumb. Sure, sure, sure.

I agree. I'm not into movie franchises or films in general, but my significant other and I are watching the Planet of the Apes movies from the beginning and those kick ass. God, those are good. Now you're saying the originals or like the ones that restarted with James Franco? No, the James. It's the one that starts with James Franco, which is the best, which is the best one of the I'm saying that the James Franco one is the best one of the new ones. Or it's rated the best, I believe on the first or the second one is rated.

I was looking around tomatoes. I've only seen the first two. I want to get into Kong and Godzilla franchise. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you do. And it's the same with the new Jurassic World movies. It's like, Oh, are those any good? I don't know. All I know is dinosaurs going nuts. All I know is I saw Godzilla give an overhead suplex to King Kong in the middle of the fucking desert. What do you ask?

What do you have to ask for? Dude in the Godzilla Kong where he comes up on the aircraft carrier from underwater and then Kong is jumping to and from the aircraft carrier. What was the new which is which is the Jurassic Park where there's like a bunch of rich people trying to sell dinosaurs like their daughter and taken like what is this Jurassic World to say it was like it was like taken. It was good, because all the time because there were dinosaurs part that's why it was good is because I liked back in the 90s. I liked the Lost World I liked that they went into San Diego and fuck some shit. I liked that movie too. A lot of people shit on that movie.

I don't think the movie was very good, but I love the concept where they had brought them over into the mainland. Yeah, and we had the video game very grainy. Did you play? I have the Sega game right upstairs. You do.

When are we doing this? Oh, grainy grant you would. Yeah, I saw you. I saw the original Jurassic Park in the movie theater at probably too young of an age. I remember my dad calling and being like, so if I brought my young son along.

What 90s movies do you remember in the theater? Okay, let's hear it. Sorry, Grant. Hit it.

Fuck myself. You guys. Titanic twice. I saw Titanic once in the theater. Blank check. Oh, hell yes. Forget Paris.

Which one is that? Billy Crystal's a ref. No, I don't think so. In the NBA is a ref. We thought it was gonna be an NBA movie. Jurassic Park. I know.

American Pie. I saw. Yeah, but I was front row and I had to lie to my parents about what I actually saw. Ferngully I went for a field trip. Ferngully, yes.

By the way, Blink 182 is an American Pie. Oh, sure. That's all I can think of at the top of my head. The Lion King had a box office of 968 million in the 90s. Man. Oh, yeah. Big movie. Yeah. I saw that when I was little. Not in theaters, though. Do you guys cry at the end of Toy Story? I do.

Not loudly, but it happens when they're flying. Toy Story 3 is not allowed in this house. Why? Too sad.

It is really sad. It's not as stirring as the we're not flying. This is falling with style. And it's just Tim Allen. God, Tim Allen just makes everything that he's in. I hate that our world has tried to leave him behind. It's not possible to leave him behind.

He's too relevant, but everyone's trying so hard and it makes me sad. Yeah, I am pro Tim Allen as well. Yes. Bar, how about Days of Thunder? No. Didn't see it? No?

In theater? No. How old were you when you saw Jerry Maguire for the first time? I think it was. I don't think I saw it when it came out. No.

Okay. Glenn Fry was in Jerry Maguire, right? Glenn Fry. Remind me who that is. Eagles. From the Eagles.

The late Glenn Fry. Yeah. All right.

What else you got? All right. I know we kind of pivoted off of the trio thing, but the only argument for the Nuggets trio.

We rearrange our schedules to talk to have that conversation. It was good. I was interested. I was interested.

What do you think about the barometer topic, though, best supporting cast trios? Because I'm like, I want to work too much. Talk about. You know what?

I'll do what I normally do for your fucking barometer and just do it myself and send it to you. Okay. I don't care.

It is a machine, so I know how it works. I've seen a lot of takes from Bucks fans. Why can't Giannis is supporting cast play like Yocutches? And at first I was like, yeah, it's bullshit. But then I thought about it a little bit. It's like, man, Pat Connaughton did hit a bunch of threes and Bobby Portis. Like I was trying to think if I was a Suns fan and I was cheering for my team in that finals, would I have been pissed that some of these role players came out of nowhere to make?

I feel like I would have. So I feel like this idea that the Bucks supporting cast has always been horrible. I don't know.

I don't know. I just see a lot of that for Bucks fans when we watch the Nuggets. I don't know if you guys have seen that.

I've not done the list yet, and neither has the barometer, and those two things are totally connected. But I do think the Bucks, like Brooke, Dame, Chris trio, having not done it yet, I'm guessing that will be top five. I mean, Boston is going to be one, I think, by a run away. Should they be? Yes. Sure.

All right. Without their top star. That's the thing with Boston.

You take out their top star. It doesn't really change a lot, does it? Do they really change that much? I don't think so. The ball probably moved better.

Probably. I'm just not a Tatum guy at all. Yeah, I'm not either. Bart, by the way, one thing that I thought was interesting as you hopefully annihilate Indiana and the Pacers on your show again coming up, hopefully after game six, but probably after game seven. I have a Hawks fan buddy who when the Hawks series with the Bucks in the Eastern Conference Finals, the assumption was, oh, they're going to be back. This is a young Hawks team. They're going to be back. And I was like, I wouldn't be so sure, man. It's hard to get back. The Suns, they're up 2-0 in the final.

Nobody else thought that. I think there was reason for optimism with the Hawks three years ago. Not that they would like just, oh, we'll be back to the Eastern Conference Finals, but like, and then the Suns, they're up 2-0 in the finals and, oh, well, that really sucked, but we'll be back. Now they're losing in the first round despite having a better star player than what they did in that series. My point is, is when Indiana loses, if there's any sentiment of like, oh, don't worry, the Pacers are young. They're going to come right back and be right back to this point next year, and then they'll be better.

It's bullshit. It's really hard to just, oh, we'll be right back to this spot. You probably won't. Like, the chances are historically that you won't be back to this spot. Like, this is your chance, and if you don't capitalize against the Knicks team that's missing all three of its, like, I mean, definitely two of its four, five best players, three of its six best players. You're healthy except for Matherin, and you're going to, okay. Anyway, I hate the Pacers.

I love the Knicks. Last one I had prepared for you. Hot Take Jake had a tweet, a trade idea. It was a three team trade, and I told, I just quick sent him a tweet, and I just said, hey, I'm going to save this for, got some feedback from a guy who is going to be listening to this, I think. I don't know him personally, but I appreciate the back and forth that we had. He was not happy about the topic, but I said, just hear me out.

Let's try it. Essentially, the trade was, though there were three teams involved, that the Bucs get Drew Holliday, and the Bucs lose Chris Middleton. That was, like, the root of it. So, the pushback from this listener who enjoys your pod part was, like, oh, let's not revisit, like, should they have traded Chris?

Like, that wasn't possible with Birdwrights. I said, no, no, I know, but go into the 2024-25 season. Are you better with Dame, Giannis, Drew, and Brooke, or are you better with as it currently stands? Interesting. So, if there was some three team Hot Take Jake trade that made its way into the universe for real, and it ended with the Bucs only giving up Chris, the Bucs only getting Drew with other players going elsewhere, or that the Bucs would be better if they did that. So, Bart, to answer first, I just want to say, Paul, there was really no trade scenario that was going to interest me that you could possibly throw out in this pod. This one, this is fun. This is interesting.

I didn't know where this was going, but you have my interest. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to answer. I don't want the words to come out of my mouth. Uh-oh.

Do you think it's yes? It's fine. We're not trading anybody.

It's just a thought experiment. That's what I said. So, what's the roster? If they don't have Middleton, who's playing there? Just answer me that. Andre Ajax.

Okay. And then Drew would take over the Pat Bev spot. Yeah, the Malik Beasley spot, you know, whatever. So, Dame, Drew, Ajax, Giannis, and Brooke. I mean, that seems better to me. Now you have a guy who actually defends.

Yeah. You have a great defensive center in Brooke, a great defensive whatever he is in Giannis, Unicorn, a great defensive wing. I wish Drew would have been like, I don't want to go to Boston. I'm going to hold out.

This sucks. Don't do this to Bucs fans. You can't do this to a bad ass. You realize he was in Portland for a few days. He was like, get me. Well, sure. Maybe if Guy wasn't talking about how he was going to retire in 18 months and then signs a four-year contract. He did do that.

That was annoying. And I know it's like, okay, he's being honest. We want our athletes to be honest. Yes, we do.

But also, it's- I also want them to be realistic. Like, remember when my station went bye-bye? No, I don't remember that. What happened? Could you imagine if I was like, put up a huge stink about it?

Like Bart, you're not the first person this has happened to. Meanwhile, the holidays are like, whoa, we were on this team and now we have to play on- is this allowed? Trade? What? It's like, guys, yeah, you got traded.

What the fuck? I mean, as someone who has called the post office and the DMV just to try to get a new driver's license sent to my apartment, which is a very simple address. Like, it would be a massive pain in the cock to get traded. But also- Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't want to get traded. But also, like, the NBA teams, they have people to help this.

Like, they probably have people to call the DMV in the post office. This is going to sound like really- Yeah, like, Pat Bev's got Rome. This will sound like a very backwards take and it will be misinterpreted by some, I'm sure. But you can trade me if you're giving me $30 million a year. Sure.

That's what the money's for. I know that sounds like- but I'm just telling you, I don't want to- I don't know, man. Listen- Wait, you know what will get me to be okay with it? $30 million. Chris, for Drew this offseason, this is a hypothetical. We're not proposing this.

This is just for discussion purposes. Which player makes the current bucks better? I think if Chris is out of the equation, and I think for this situation, we have to just assume health, right? Like, I don't want to him-haw about, well, there's an 80% chance Drew will be healthy versus whatever. The skill set that Chris has, so comfortable with Giannis, and he's such a good facilitator when Dame has to come off the court, for example. He just helps everyone else be better.

He does set others up. So if you subtract him, it's not just that you're taking him off the floor, you're taking some pretty good impacts that he has. I think you can replace Drew.

If you want someone to play better defense, just start Andre Jackson Jr. instead of Malik Beasley. You're not getting trustworthy shooting out of Drew anyways, you know what I mean? It's not like Drew is Clay Thompson. He can give you a little bit of offense, but it's nothing that I trust.

It's nothing that's consistent. So I feel like you can get Drew holiday traits from other players. I don't know who you plug in to do some of the things that Chris Middleton can do. Chris isn't out there like now, Dame and Giannis both have to be healthy all the time, and they have to be amazing.

The chemistry has to be a 10 out of 10. Which could happen. It totally could next year. In fact, I'd probably bet on it because I think both of them are pretty motivated to get it done, but I would rather have Chris. By the way, I'm not definitive. And Grant, that was the best argument you could have said to make me reconsider. Because the value of Chris's offense is a more valuable skill than perimeter defense.

So that makes sense, but I don't know. They're both so young too. I need to ask you guys how to respond to a tweet before we wrap up. Sure. This is gonna be great. Well, I just saw this and I'm like, I don't know.

I mean, because I've dealt with my, you know, people should talk to me all the time. So I put up that tweet about Gottlieb. Which was funny. The meme, that was a good meme.

The meme, meme, ma'am. I got a lot of, there's some passionate Phoenix fans that are upset. Are there guys asking me why I do this for clicks? Guys, it's Twitter. I'm shitposting. C.L.

the goat. Shut the fuck up, Bart. I'm happy you got fired. You were terrible at your job and have some of the worst takes in all of Wisconsin sports. You are a blubbering drunk moron.

There is a reason you will likely die alone. How do I, that's abhorrent. I don't think you do respond to that. I think you should stop reading my texts to you. Like, for the Gottlieb tweet? And how do you feel like, I've, I've, I've tweeted shit at people like, fuck you. And this is stupid.

You write like you're a five-year-old in Kran, Matt Schneiderman. I tweeted him that. But this is, this is, how do you, like, how are you a kind of person that tweets this?

Yeah. And if I, if I quote tweet him, then people will rally for me. You know, I don't want to do that. I just. Would you say this to me if we were face to face?

Oh, why? This is only the type of thing you say. Be a man and call the show tonight.

Yes. Should I say, think before you hit enter? Should I say that? I probably wouldn't.

I probably wouldn't. Don't block, don't block him. Here's what you don't do. You don't block him because it pinned at the top of his profile is a list of people he's been blocked by these people. They use blocks as a badge of honor.

Is that really what it is? So don't block. Yeah. Don't, don't give him a block. Mute him if you want. Just ignore, just ignore him. Until right now, he's not taking your advice. That's probably not what he wanted to hear. No.

Fire back. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't. It doesn't. Again, to be clear, it doesn't bother me that someone is saying this to me. It bothers me that someone feels comfortable saying this at all.

Well, you're not going to fix society, so you're right. Why is it so mad about the Gottlieb thing? Yeah.

Okay. So he's occasionally has an unpopular take, stole someone's credit card in college. Tony from Texas literally last night brought up that, well, everyone's done something dumb in college, which is what I said. He's like, I mean, Bart Winkler shit.

He threw a brick through a Little Caesar's window, and I'm like, he's not a part of the show at any in any form right now, but I'm glad sure he'll appreciate that being brought up. I don't know. I don't know.

It's a little unconventional, but it's UW Green Bay since when does everyone give a shit about UW Green Bay? I was listening to a national radio show last night in which that was the leading topic. So it's a good. It's interesting. It's entertaining art show. And honestly, you had the correct take, I would say, which is you can't do both.

You will not be good at either if you try to do both. Well, I saw him on Dan Patrick, and he's like, I've had six jobs my whole life. And then he referenced some in living color speech with the Jamaicans.

And he's like, I'm the butcher on the bank. I was like, Doug, you're justifying this because of an in living color speech 35 years ago. Yeah, I think the best part of this story. Well, they're not going to be like a top 20 program all of a sudden because of Doug Gottlieb. But you know what?

I would be there. There was a real point in time, a real actual point in time where, like, do you remember Bill Simmons pushing to be Bucks GM? Like, back in like 2000. Yeah, I wrote an article on it. He linked to me.

Really? I would. Neither of you should be complaining about this because if he does well, all of a sudden, like your career opportunities. No, if he does well, Paul, it shows just how little work we have to put into our real jobs. No, I think it just shows that like coaching and recruiting like we should probably not treat it like it's that hard.

But I do like you've said this what NFL coaches like we do. We put these guys on pedestals. Like how could we ever achieve this level of greatness? I mean, I have plenty of experience one on one talking to these people like they are no brighter than any of us being part of this or listen to this. They just like happen to go to that profession, work their way up organically.

It's they're not special humans, man. Like so I just I don't I think Doug Gottlieb will do just as fine as anyone else would have. It's just I just don't think it's, you know, that hard to be decent at it or to be passable. No, like we're giving too much credit to the profession.

I think it's a college coach. They got to recruit. They got to be mentors.

They got to transfer. But you're acting like that. That's hard. Oh, there's no harder job than a college coach. I'm not saying it doesn't require work. I'm saying it's not hard.

Like difficult, challenging, that there's like some on it. I don't have time to. I have to go. All right. I got to go, too.

But I want to chew on this more. I have to go. Number two, if I'm being honest, I've needed to go. I have to go. I have to go. I have to go also.

Winkler Wednesday. Goodbye. I have to go die alone. All right. Thank you, guys. Great to be with you.

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