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Good morning everybody is the Bart Winkler Show. I'm Bart Winkler. Big episode for you.

Some mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. But first of all, the Badgers last night lost. And what a game it was. You know, NIT, you can talk about the NIT all you want, but. It is what it is.

Managers coached. By Greg Gard. And and things, you know. are looking promising for their next game. Whatever that may be.

Paul Ernick is here. Grant Bills is here. We got some mm-hmm. I'm a little stuffy, so my mm-mms are not as good. Mmm, it's like a continuous Mm.

My son and I woke up yesterday morning. With dueling like coughing attacks. Yeah. You want to know the new nickname we have for each other? Maybe.

Uh Armity. Because he was pretending to be a pirate. And it's still saying our matey. He's saying Armity. That's awesome.

So now we just call each other Armati. It's a good reader. Come here, Armitie. I'm coming, Armati. What do you watch with pirates in it?

Nothing. Really? Mm-hmm.

So where did the pair so where did his parameter? I don't know. I don't know. Daycare. I'm still really pushing Avengers on them.

We're all about Spidey and his amazing friends. Oh, they finally, finally, a new episode on Friday. My God. Is there really? There was.

There was okay. That's season three of Spidey and His Amazing Friends is out. No, it's still season two, Paul, but But they were low on new episodes, so. Gwen Stacy's dad took him to a tunnel. Or like a subway.

And then Electro was taking the electric. I always like to. The best part about Spidey and his amazing friends, Grant is still here, but the best part is. They're always with one parent. And one parent just like leaves the three kids.

Oh, yeah. And then they all like, well, I guess we got to be spideys now. All right. Wait, wait, wait. Favorite Favorite villain of we're a Sandman house.

Really? Yeah. He's a distant fourth place. Black cat's no good for me. I don't like her.

But what about like a classic like Doc Ock? We like Doc Ock. A little gobby, a little gut green goblin action. We like that guy. Yeah.

I watched Arthur when I was young, so that's what I watched. I don't know. Is this a Spider-Man spin-off for kids? No, Arthur I watched. I watched Magic School Bus.

I watched Magic School Bus was great. Reading Rainbow. I really liked Curious George. That was really wholesome. I was never into Curious G.

The important thing, Grant, and you'll find this one day. Deep into the future, I think, or unless you're like the next Rami 2.0. But Or the next, I'm probably more of the next wicket, although three kids, how could I? Yeah, but I probably feel like I'll probably have kids. But the most important thing you'll have.

is finding shows that you can Like Not hate or like be like okay with or by the way, Bart, trivia. Who sings of Spidey and his amazing friend's theme song? Oh, that's the guy from Follow Boy. Yeah. Okay, we listen to the whole soundtrack when we go on trips.

Oh, yeah, it's a great soundtrack. Uh, right now, even though it's March. Merry Spidey Christmas is a hit. All right, let's get to the show. What are we doing?

No, I like this. This is the end. I like it. You like it. Grant likes it.

No comments. All right, so we do have Packers. Brewers Box. And uh Lamar-centric NFL question. Have you anything about Creighton basketball?

I have nothing about Creighton basketball. I have nothing about the Final Four. I know that the top Three seeds from each uh Region didn't make it. But that I can't I can't help with that.

So you have to have different people on for that.

Well, I don't know how much of that I'm going to watch because Saturday's WrestleMania and then Monday night is. the Raw after WrestleMania, so Yeah. Bad timing. Bad timing. NC Dobe's got to plan accordingly.

I agree. All right, we're gonna start with the Packers question.

So it is currently.

Well, what day is it? And real, and we're recording this on Tuesday morning. Paul, there's no magic with you, Paul. I know. Jesus.

Fourth wall shattered. There was a report.

So this was designed to be live. At whatever point they hear it, whether it's Tuesday morning or next month, I hear you, but the context is important.

So, overnight, also just want to say hi to Vincent. in Anaheim and Happy Mother's Day.

So overnight, Monday night into Tuesday morning, Charles Robinson. Had a report. That seems Well sourced. Ooh, a drunk tweet that I did not press send on for that one. Oh boy.

Good job. I was going to say, because Charles Robinson, we asked him to come on once and. He wanted $50. Oh, I remember this story. Yeah.

So I did not pay him $50 to source his content here. Um I think this is trending in the right direction. Like, all of the quote-unquote smart Packers people seem to think this is about right and it seems well sourced. If the final package, whether it's today, tomorrow, or in. August.

Well, no, it can't be in August. If it's between now and the draft, because this is a it's specific to the draft, the Packers get either number 41 or 42, because the Jets have both.

So they get a 2023 second round pick and a conditional 2024 second that can become a first or a third or a fourth, depending on Rogers' playing time, or for Rogers' retirement, whatever. Just Goudekins, just do it. Just be done. A 2023 second and a conditional 2024 second. It's fine, go ahead, move along.

Let's just pull the trigger and go set mm-hmm or mm mm-hmm Bart Winkler. Unless uh Armati, unless you want to start. Grant bills. I feel like we're probably going to say the same thing. It's your show part.

I'd feel sick to my stomach if I went first on this. You please go ahead. I think that the only reason so mm-hmm.

Okay. The reason that they like you want the Packers to get a first. is because it's unfathomable. for 15 years to live in a world. Where Aaron Rodgers gets traded and you don't get a first.

And then you've seen some of these other quarterbacks. And there's a first, like, included in Carson Wentz's deal and stuff like that. Yeah. So it's like, but this is a 39-year-old quarterback, and I really want to like. Stress this, and I could be wrong.

But on the Winkler eye test I don't think Rogers is that good anymore. Like I know he just got off two MVPs. But last year he was not, he was very average. And there were still in there some throws. There was one to Christian Watson or whatever.

There are some throws that you're like, that's Aaron. That's Aaron. That's the guy I know. But For the most part, I don't think he had a big hand in winning those games at the end of the Season, and I don't think that he. Did anything that Jordan Love couldn't do so.

You know, I really think, and this is. Maybe 30% wishful thinking. Uh maybe 70%. Maybe it's 70% wishful thinking. We'll see.

I really think the Jets I think it's going to be a disaster. I think it's gonna go very poorly.

So if it ends up being a second. You know, because the Packers want it first, the Jets don't want it.

Someone's going to have to budge. If they can get a second to get this, because again, it's. Clearly Goody wants him out of there. And I love that he waited. I do love that he waited until.

Well, I don't love it. I wish he would have. I wish he would have spoken up earlier, but now that Rogers went on a show and said, I intend to play for the Jets. Like, if I'm trying to get a hold of my quarterback, he doesn't call me back and then says, I want to play for the Jets. I'm like, go then.

So I guess That trade package would be fine. is my answer. But I know Bart, last week you talked about hold out as long as you can. Basically, out of spite, hold out as long as you can. Are you?

I would still like to do that. It just seems like it's not what's happening.

Okay, so you're you're you've You've accepted. You've moved out. I would hold out a spite and press the Jets. Art. But if the Packers do want to pick this year.

Okay, I don't necessarily think they need. One And you're like, and then everybody says, well, a Jets first-round pick next year is going to be like 28 or 29. I don't think so. Everyone thought about Denver, it was five.

Now, Rodgers won't play as bad as Russell Wilson, but Do we know that? I don't know. I would say, just before I go to Grant, I would just say you said, and he's a 39-year-old quarterback. He's a 39-year-old quarterback who was 90% retired before going into a darkness retreat.

So, like, there's 39, which is already old by non-Tom Brady standards for an NFL. He's going to be in a new place for the first time in his life. Although he's already got them bending over for him. Robert Style is like, I would go in a darkness retreat. Oh, that was so gross.

Such panthering nonsense. Yeah, so maybe he could really be that. Robert Sala can mean that, but like it just comes off as pandering awfulness. All right, Grant. Just do it now.

If you can get that 2023 second plus a conditional 2024 second. Do it now. Get it out of the way. Move along. Or mm-mm.

So mm-hmm. Uh I am not one of these Packers fans that is like, just get it done already. I'm so sick of it. It's fine. We know he's going to be traded to the Jets.

There's no mystery. Nobody's being held hostage, I don't think. It's fine. It's not like it needs to be done. This instant, but yeah, I would do that, and I would do it right now if I could.

And if I was a mediator in a room between the Jets and the Packers, and I role-played this in my show on Monday, I I would look at both sides and I'd start with Goody and I'd say, look, buddy. You can't go back in time and trade him last year and get what you were gonna get last year. That ship has sailed, and you can't go back in time and undo the contract that you gave him.

Okay, so holding out endlessly, thinking, well, I'm going to get this Godfather deal that makes last year okay and makes that contract, you're not getting it. You are going to take an L on this to some degree, so just understand that. Move forward and make this trade. And then I would look at the Jets and I'd say, You're the Jets. You guys are an embarrassment, right?

You have nothing. We like Zach Wilson. You played Chris Trevler over him last year. And by the way, they declared Zach Wilson the number two QB on Monday. You have no other plan.

And the only other quarterback on the roster is Trevor. Yeah. So What what What do you have to stand on? What leg do you have to stand on?

Well, we're the Jets and we're going to stand tall. Shut up. If you have to give up a first-round pick, if you have to pay extra to get them, you do it because you're the Jets.

So I would tell the Packers, you already took an L on this, so just swallow that and move on. And I would tell the Jets to. Robert Salin, Joe Douglas, are one bad season away from being fired, both of them.

So make this trade, even if it costs a little bit more than you think it should. And you'll be able to. Yeah. That's what I would say.

Sorry guys, I'm just You know how I love my props. You have a prop? I do. Jets Teebo. Figurine.

Uh-huh. We'll put that. I also have a prop, and I think I was asking the Jets: what leg do you have to stand on?

Well, here's my leg that I stand on. In order to speak on this intelligently, this is my. My share in Greenway Packers Incorporated. I have that down here too, but it is not framed. I took my diploma out of this frame.

My diploma is now in a large envelope. I thought this deserved the frame. There is nothing in this house that is more dusty than my diploma. I opened it up. You have to like.

Like on a car where it says clean me. Yeah. Like do that. I I have no reason for it. Although My UWL diploma would also work as a prop in this instance because I.

I feel like I'm kind of one with Brian Gudekinst here, Eagle Solid. Yes, you, me, and Goody. The three amigos, they call us. Yeah. Yeah, I'll I'll End the chorus with as well.

I think that's. Fine. I do think that there's It was a week ago that we talked about with Toby on the show about needing a first-round pick or Goudekins deserving.

Some criticism if he doesn't. Goudekins kind of threw that away yesterday when he was asked, like, does the third team pick need to be involved? And he said, well, it would be nice if it was involved, but like, it's not. You know, does it have to be like okay?

Well, now you're not getting the 13th pick.

So I'm gonna say mm-hmm, but I've like kind of a Mm. a secondary question to what we were just talking about based on the conversation. Would you rather next year's conditional pick? Or swapping 15 and 13 this year. I know it's only two spots, but it's a mid, you know, it's two big spots.

So, if you could get the swap of the Packers moving up from 15 to 13. But no picks in the future. Would you rather do that, or would you rather just take the second this year, not swap 15 and 13, but get the conditional next year? I I'm not uh the swapping They're going to overdraft a guy anyway, so the guy they're going to want. I mean, two spots, two spots can be the difference between getting Justin Jefferson or not and setting an entirely different trajectory.

I was going to say those two spots could be the difference between getting or not getting a Rashawn Gary type, which means in five years and after an ACL tear, we might have a number one edge rusher. Um Hey, I'm on record. I love that Gary pick.

Okay. Are you shading Rashawn Gary? No, I think he's great. He was a nice third-string pass rusher, and then he got hurt. I think it's been a wildly successful career for a top 13 pick.

No, I don't hate Rashawn Gary. I just. Wow, that was heavy shade. Yeah, wow. No, no, say it now.

Now you have to say your piece. I just, I'm waiting on the day that he becomes our number one edge rusher. I know I just got hurt. That's not a good thing. That was this year.

Yeah. Like, what's going on here, Graham? He was the best player on the team. He was the best player on the team on the team on the team. For like a month, and then he got hurt.

So now we're going into year five, and I'm just kind of still waiting. I'm waiting on the Rashawn Gary season. I don't know. You guys shouldn't have picked this bone. I'm sorry.

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Need to hire? You need indeed. Uh Bop Did you see last night Cassidy Hill from Packers News and Journal Sentinel? Did you see her tweet? The Green Bay High-V has a big sign: all Aaron Rodgers items 50% off.

It's like shirts. Jerseys, action figures, bobbleheads. Have you ever been to a Hive-V? They sell Packer stuff at a high-V? I was going to say.

It's just like a whole aisle of Rogers, like a Meyer with a big 50% off sign.

So I've uh the Green May hive I heard is like tremendous. My mother in law drove there from Appleton just to check it out 'cause that's what people do when they Are a little bit older, which I like it too. I like to see a new store as much as the next guy. But I went to a high-veye in Madison. Maybe I thought it was the biggest shithole I've ever seen in my life.

Well, where's Meyer? Would you say High-V or Meyer? It's probably High-V in Madison I went to on the east side. Like, that's what people. Can't believe when they come to La Crosse because the quick trip headquarters are there and they're like, You have shitty quick trips.

It's like, no, they're OG quick trips, they're day one. They've been there, they're not these new massive stores that are put up in Madison and Milwaukee. These are OGs. The quick trips in La Crosse would be tobacco outlets anywhere else. I'm still really bent out of shape.

'Cause I tweeted something about announcing soccer games in Madison. And then one guy's like, sorry about the gas prices. Like, come on, dude. I'm really mad about that. Bart, do you have any quick trip?

content for us like any like promos Where you queue up the music and you do a You got any left? Yeah, I like to uh Here it comes. No, he's not got nothing. Oh, you're I thought you were looking for the the music queue. You want a quick trip promotion?

I do. Hey, everybody, my name is Paul. It made for Quick Trip. We're not able Leave the basement the one out of 30 days in a month. that I'm not stalking celebrities at a Broadway show.

I'm going to quick trip. That's it. That's all I got. Ha ha ha ha! That's pretty good.

All right. Well done. Every time Paul goes on like any trip. He sends me like a picture. He's like, Hey, I ran into Nick Offerman.

Where? And a high V. Yeah. It's weird. I do.

Yeah, I do. It's true. You, Paul Immig, you hosted trivia on the Bart Winkler Show. Yeah, you from Remember the Day? As a matter of fact, I am.

As a matter of fact, I am. Were you on America's pregame with Mike Hill one time from Lambeau Field? Three times. Yeah. And then Mike Hill was a big part of Real Housewives of Atlanta.

Yeah. I remember you telling me that. People do forget. But then they got divorced. Oh really?

Yeah. We don't have to spend too much time on this. I don't know how close this is gonna Go ahead. All right, for those not watching the YouTube version, Bart just put up sponsored by Shell. I love Shell.

Okay. Okay. All right. Um Bart, you can veer away from this one if you want a little bit. Yesterday, Monday, excuse me.

Brian Goodakinst. Finally stood up for the Green Bay Packers, finally told his side of the story. Better late than never. Thanks for finally, finally doing this. But I'm glad you did it, Brian Gudakin.

So it's better late than never. But thank you for finally telling the Packers side of the story. It was about time. Or mm-mm.

Well Uh oh. Uh-oh. I'm curious to see where it goes with this. I wish he would have done it sooner. The moment that I wanted um him to say something.

was last year when Rogers was hurt.

Okay. Rogers went on McAfee. And said, I intend to play or whatever. Yep. And I wanted, and then Goody was asked about it, and he goes, Yeah, well, Rogers, yeah, or whatever.

I wanted him to say, We're going to pick the quarterback that's going to give us the best chance to win. And even if it was, just did just don't say the name Aaron Rodgers. Just at least put some doubt in there. You're not I look So, this isn't about Rogers, it's about fans. He won those two MVPs.

Which I think gave him more cachet than he deserved. last season. He didn't play anywhere close to an MVP last year. Right. And we kept asking, like he, we kept acting like he was in the middle of an MVP campaign.

Plus, how come NBA MVPs like mean the world to me and NFL MVPs I discredit at all times? Because NBA, I'll jump in. NBA MVPs mean more. That's the most important individual awarding professional. And also, people are trying to give it to Jokic again.

Oh, are they?

Well, Kendrick Perkins is, I saw that.

Well indeed. I'm totally pro-MB'd only for the reason he's not Jokic. Yeah. Anyway, I'm finally happy. Yes.

I am happy. That Goody five, but again, he had the opportunity because Rogers went on a show. And said I intend to play for a different team.

So Yeah. I like that Goudekenst Said quite those sirens. I do hear that. You were grand. No, they're like rampy.

Hey, I live in the big city, of all of us. I live in the big city. Yeah, are you kidding me?

Someone's probably stealing Bart's car right now. Yeah, it is a hundred. My car, the windows are down. The keys are in it. I don't even worry about it.

I left my keys in it overnight the other day. I didn't Gudekin said on Aaron Rodgers' quote: Certainly, whenever a player may have issues, you prefer that they talk to you directly and not do it in the media, but it's not necessarily the way he goes about it. And that's okay. What an awesome, like, that is where that Bill Hader gif of eating the popcorn and just like sitting back. Yeah.

That's my favorite thing to say when I'm trying to be a prick to someone. I'll be like, hey, you did it this way, and that's fine. That's okay. I mean, you're a total, you know, you're a total, you know what, but like, it's fine. It's okay.

It's fine if that's the way you want to do it. It's fine. It's very Seinfeld-ish.

So, yeah, Grant, better late than never. But you are glad that Goudekins finally told the other side of the story? Mm-hmm.

I don't know how to bottle this answer up into an Chris, why don't you just say what your tweet was that people got mad at you for?

So. Here's my question. Why did Goody do this? Like I there needs to be a good reason Okay, so Grant, I was connected. Because he's fucking annoyed with his quarterback.

I need to jump in because I was looking for the right gift to reply to you with.

Okay. And the only way I could come up with was when I chose not to send, which was because fuck him, that's why. And that's that's the I mean, and I know that's like not how a professional executive type should conduct their business. I see, I hear you, but also. Like at some point, you just gotta, you know, you get the middle finger thrown at you so many times, you finally gotta give one back.

That's right. Sure. I need a better reason than that. No, you don't need a better reason. I need to know that the Packers were actively being hurt by the things that Rogers was saying.

There needed to be a problem with a potential free agent, with an agent, like. There needed to be a reason to set this record straight because when Roger was on McAfee two weeks ago, I remember afterwards saying, whatever. It's Rogers being Rogers, just ignore it. It looks like he's going to the Jets. It'll be fine.

There's no acrimony between the two sides. This With Goody bringing this up. Will not, I don't think, help make a trade easier. Why would the Jets want him more now, knowing this? I don't think the relationship between Rodgers and the Packers.

Will be great because of it, at least not at first. And that's why I'm tweeting. I was like, you guys, don't get mad at me. Don't, don't be mad when Favre cuts, or not Favre, whoops, when Rogers cuts the Packers out and he doesn't want to come back for anything. And they retire his number and he doesn't show up because that's the kind of thing Rogers.

And I want to, I do. Don't be. That's like a fan. Think like an owner, Bart. No, first off, you're both owners.

I'm not. But Grant, the response I had to you for that last night, but I knew we were talking this morning, was. Um How did you phrase that? You said, well, like, what if Rogers won't come back to any of the ceremonial things in the future? Who does that look bad on?

I agree. But if Rodgers, to Bart's point many times, I think there was. If there was an Aaron Rodgers day in bum fuck Wyoming. Tonight at 3 p.m., Rogers will be on the first train there. Whatever.

That may be true. Celebrate me. Sure. So, if he doesn't come back, listen, this is the same guy, right? And I think, Bart, was this you who said this?

Cuts out his family, cuts out teammates, cuts out friends, girlfriends, whatever. Like, he, you know, if he is going to be the level of petty where the Packers are like, hey, we'd like to honor you. And he says, Hey, do you remember on March 27th, 2023, when you said something that slightly contradicted my narrative that I had very carefully crafted over years with Pat McAfee? How dare you? I will not come back and be honored by the team.

That doesn't make the Packers look bad. That makes Aaron look bad.

So I would disagree with you pretty heavily there. We can debate like the semantics of whether, because fuck him, that's why is a good reason not to do something. I'm being a bit facetious in that, but like. If there's an Aaron Rodgers day and Rodgers says, I'm not coming. That's on Aaron's, that's on a pettiness level that's well beyond what would look bad on the organization, sure.

And I like, I'll compliment Brian Gudekins. And I lied, I do have my uh diploma from the University of Wisconsin lacrosse, uh, as does Brian Gudekins. I remember talking with a UWL football coach a couple of years ago because our station here in lacrosse carries the games, and his team has met with Goody and he's he's involved with the UWL team. They've been to Green Bay for practices and stuff, and he just had nothing but glowing things to say about Goody. And I was asking him, like, this must have been two years ago.

I said, don't you think it's like Like he's done a bad job letting Rogers walk over him, right? He's kind of getting owned. He's always bowing down to what Rogers wants. And this football coach is like: sometimes that's what a good exec has to do, right? You need to eat.

A little bit of dirt, and you need to keep your star happy, and you need to keep him content. And I always thought that Goody had been very humble and very. Willing to do that and kind of take a beating publicly as the GM and the decision maker to keep Rogers, the quarterback, happy and to do what's best for the Packers. And now he finally no longer has to do that. But my point is, he was so close.

He's almost out. He's almost gone. We could be days away. We could be hours away from Rogers being out, and Goody never would have had to say anything. But again, He must have needed to do this for some reason.

So I'm just interested to work. Personal pride, man. Like, if you got kicked in the balls for years on end, like, and then someone said, Hey, Grant, do you want to tell your side of the story about why this person kept kicking you in the balls? No, I'm good. Like, I want to take the high road.

At some point, you're going to say, I've eaten enough dirt. Like, I'm shoveling. And it's not like he said, it's not like he said, hey, that former quarterback of ours is a liar. He is constantly manipulating words. I've never really liked him.

He didn't say anything actually, like, a direct attack. He just kind of said, well, Rogers will hear. Gotcha. But sure, I agree. I don't think we disagree.

I'm just like pointing out an angle: like, yeah, this is entertaining and fun, but like, did we need to do this? I appreciate your angle. I would say I'm. glad that he finally stood up for himself. And stood up for the organization.

It was about. It was way past time. And yet he could have gone much time. It's about that time. Give a little hibba dibby, shiba doo boo.

Lizzo, drink. Goudakins could have been much more direct. Was this your name like Lizzo? No. Grant.

I'm going to. I can't talk about Aaron Rodgers anymore from a personality standpoint.

Okay. I'm texting you.

So if you could read this on But if you don't want to say these words as yours, just say like a listener said it or something. A source. This one's from Mark. He says, Hi, Bart and Paul and Grant love the show. Miss Trivia also, Horvat was great in that.

He should come back for a reunion. I agree. Mark continues, who is in Aaron's life now that was also in it 10 years ago? The guy sheds relationships like a reptile sheds skin. He will die alone and probably tell off the nurses and doctors helping him through hospice with his last.

Breath. You guys do a fantastic job. I make my wife listen in the car. Best mark. Wow.

What a very interesting angle. A very interesting angle. No, those are some direct shots that Mark took. I don't know. I mean, I would challenge to prove Mark wrong.

Yeah. I thought it was a great points. Thank you. I don't know who Mark Mark Mark. I don't know who Mark is.

Any closing thoughts on this? Yeah, I don't think this is. I also say this: I don't think this is a topic again and now until the trade happens. Unless Rogers goes back on McAfee, which he will.

Well, that's the maybe that's the question we should end this little. Topic with? Like, is Rogers gonna? Go on, Matt. And again.

Then does Goody have to say something again to set the narrative straight again? No, no. He took his one big shot.

Okay, okay. Yeah, so and then here's the thing, and to your I know we just keep going in a circle here, but what if, like, we always know that Roger's going to take one word and say, Wait, wait, I gotta, I gotta, uh I'm being asked to go on a competing station tomorrow during your show. Is that fine? Yeah, yeah. That's always fine.

You know, I text you about it. I'm never serious. What will be the word choice from Goudekins yesterday that Rogers will categorically deny?

So here's the quote. Our, um, uh, da da da, we tried to contact him many times. Roger's like, no, no, it was several times, not many times, or will it be our inability to reach him or for him to respond in any way? I is I did respond, I didn't send it, but like, I I responded telepathically. Maybe it's that.

I think at that point, Goudakin said, I had to do my job. Aaron will say, well, you mean your job and Russ Ball's job? Like, what will be the categorically incorrect part that Goudekin said that Rogers will refuse? It wasn't a wish list. Sure, I told him the players I liked.

Wasn't a wish. What's this? What's this Goudekin's press conference's wish list? What's this, folks? What's the new spin we're going to get on this?

I think his response. Everybody thinks he's going to run back to McAfee because he. Like, historically speaking, this is. I think it's over. Do you think McAfee deep down wants Rodgers to have another rebuttal?

Hell yes. Just for the half a million people watching him on a Tuesday on a YouTube. Oh, of course he does. It would be bad business for him not to want that. Prince Fair.

That was a Tim Shea question. I guess deep down, I was like, I should have asked, does McAfee buy into what Rogers is selling when Rogers? I think he clearly does. And whether that's because it's good for business or because he actually does, I don't know. Look, and once you get close to a situation and you cover it and you deal with the people in the story up close, it's hard to not feel personally different about what you're talking about.

And it's hard to not change your opinion of. the something, you know, and intakes and such. As Grant puts on his credential. Yeah, before Grant went on his trip, the Brewers were the cheapest team going to win 75 games. I mean, they still don't have any money.

That didn't change. I will say their social media has been getting some W's in the last week. An upcoming segment for me, but I guess if you really want to, Bart, there's a chance later for you to apologize. Or maybe not apologize, but to say, like, hey. That was in the past.

There's some really good stuff happening. We'll get to that later. Ooh, a tease. A tease. I want to say, I'm going to finish this on the NFL topic.

Lamar Jackson doesn't have an agent. He's negotiating for himself, or maybe this like fitness gym guy. If you were a 25-year-old, I'm going to ask you a real question about this. If you were a superstar 25-year-old quarterback, In a league that doesn't have guaranteed control, it's the one thing in the NBA, right? Where it's like, if you're a max guy, There's really no finagling.

Like, you know, like, is the 50 or a player option or not? You know, like, there's a very minimal. All right, you're about to make at least $100 million. You're a 25-year-old superstar. You would go at this like Lamar is with no agent?

Mm-hmm.

Or mm-mm? You go. Yeah, you're 25. I'll start almost. I don't do my own taxes.

I will pay $50 for a man to do my taxes. I have no dependents, I have one job. I live in the state where I work. My taxes could not be easier to do. It's a one-pager.

You can fit it all in a note card. I won't do them. I always pay something, always pay someone to do something. Always. I, when I get my oil change, I actually go to the more expensive place because I enjoy sitting down and using their free Wi-Fi and drinking three coffees from their machine.

Always pay. Yes, I would pay an agent. This is generational wealth he's dealing with. And he's, I don't know. Also, I apologize for laughing at you earlier.

You said fitness gym, and all I heard was fitness gym in your mouth. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Get an agent. I would not go about it this way. Bart, mhm, you'd go at it. Agentless, a la Lamar? Mm-hmm.

Or mm-hmm.

Well, I don't mind see okay, so I don't mind like I'm doing my own taxes. And I usually do. And There's some questions I have. You know, my text got a little weirder. Of course.

But And I would love for someone to do them for me. But I don't like the process of trying to find out who that person is. Ah.

So I don't like that process. Um I respect what Lamar at 25. Look, I'm looking around and seeing all these people that got scammed by, like, Kevin Bacon lost 80% of his wealth from Bernie Madoff. True holiday just got Fucking rob from somebody. Dane Cook's brother took all his money.

Yeah. I don't know. And and when you're when you're Lamar negotiating, The one thing about having an agent, like some people in Milwaukee have agents, which boggles my mind. Most people won't take on Milwaukee clients because they're like, You guys don't make enough money. I'm talking in the radio biz.

Mm-hmm.

Having an agent would be nice because it'd be like. Look, I'm too timid to ask for a raise. Could you do it for me? But It's also like if you're negotiating on your own behalf. You know what they're going to say about you.

So, at least with like Corbin Burns, you know, going through that arbitration process, he knows to their face. what they think of them. Lamar Jackson knows to his face. what they think of them. Is that a Good thing for the player?

I don't know. It's a thing, I agree. Like, yeah, you probably have more clarity. In a line where the thing about. Having an agent, not having an agent.

Pretty much everyone that's a contemporary of Lamar has an agent.

So, at that point, you should just get an agent? I think Laramie Tunsel do his own deal? I think he did. The all-time highest paid left tackle now in NFL history. I think he did his own deal.

Okay. He needs more of a social media man, less of a Yeah.

Well, Lamar Lamar's problem. is that This he's Lamar's the guy going against the system. Mm-hmm.

Deshaun Watson got all the guaranteed money, which fucked over everybody. Yes. So Lamar's like, well, I want that. And now no one will give it to him. It is collusion.

I mean, clearly, nobody wants to, they don't. They don't want to give guaranteed money.

Well, I mean, it might have just been one outlier, idiot ownership group in Cleveland. Oh, no, don't, no, no, no, no, no. That's our guy. That's Jimmy Haslam. Right.

If this moron is going to give $260 million guaranteed to Lamar. That means we're going to resign Brooke for a million dollars, a hundred million dollars. We're going to resign Middleton for $500 million. All right. All right.

If that's great, move. Jimmy Haslam. Jimmy has them. I would argue he's done more for the Bucks so far than the Lazaries ever have. He did not build Pfizer forum.

But other than that, I would agree. Send at any cost.

So, Bart, you would or would not? Where are you concluding here? Agent for Bart, as you're about to make generational wealth?

Well, Bart does his own taxes, so I'm confused. I know, he's on both sides of this. Yeah, I guess I would probably get an agent.

So I but I'm still going to do my own taxes. Yeah. Could have boundaries. I think I'm um Not would not do it like Lamar, would get an agent. But the benefit is.

There if he had an agent. His trade request from 25 days ago would have leaked. contract negotiations would have leaked. An agent would not have let Lamar. post that tweet on Monday just as Harbaugh was about to go to the podium.

Because the agent would know that that's going to screw over the agent's future opportunities to negotiate with the Ravens, right?

So there's all these like backdoor. Whereas if you're Lamar, you're just here for Lamar. If you're the agent, you're leaking stuff because you want to keep your media contacts happy. You want Rapsheet to keep putting your stuff out and the Shafter to keep putting your stuff out. You want Harbaugh to take your calls again in the future.

So, if I was to talk to the other side of this, I could because I'd say Lamar only has to worry about Lamar. His agent would have definitely leaked this, would have definitely found ways to manipulate things in a way that clearly Lamar didn't want to.

So I'm still going to say give me an agent, but I. I I can see the the Benefits on the other side.

Well, really quick, like, just think about the NBA. When a player wants out and it might get ugly, what do they do? They've joined clutch sports, right? That is the representation that knows how to get a client out of a less than great situation. In baseball, you're coming up on free agency, you want to get paid a lot of money and leave probably where you are.

You hire Scott Boris. Hashtag, or I should say side note, hashtag. Corbin Burns, who did Corbin Burns just sign? Exactly. He's geared up to get paid.

Lamar's trying to do both. Right, Lamar's trying to get a... Potentially barrier-shattering deal and keep the precedent going that Lamar set. And he's trying to leave and he's trying to do it by himself. Like, that's going to be a really tall task for him.

Very much so. Yep. All right, that's all I had on that one. Good discourse. Yeah.

Bart, because you opened Tuesday's podcast with Bucks, I'll do Bucks last and I'll do Brewers because I think you're probably going to do Brewers on Thursday's show. Because it will be opening day. As Grant. Are you flexing Grant? No, I'm just.

I don't have anything like, I don't have a big brewer's preview plan. I'm just.

Well, he was going to talk about it. But maybe not even. All right. So I'm gonna I'm going to tell you up front that what I normally don't do, that this is, for me, this is mm-hmm. And that's why I'm asking it.

Oh. All of these prospects. Yeah, I know, right? All of these sort of format. Excuse me.

Here we go. Let's try this out. All these prospects in the brewers' organization and all the hype around what's been happening with who's making the final roster, all of that. For me, I'll say fun. Has made this the most exciting upcoming opening day in recent years for you as a Brewers fan.

Mm-hmm or mm-mm. I did the other day start to get excited. Yeah, let's go. Um I don't know. I mean, I'm ex I don't know.

I'm not, no, I'm not. I don't know. But if not this year, which year? That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Well, so like 2019, so 2018 was when they were a game away from the World Series, right? 2018.

So 2019, of course, everyone was super hyped. I'm a little less excited because I'm not going to be at opening day.

Okay. If I must say You could you could be, but you're playing at Koi. How? I'm not going to have CBS credential me. I mean you could Directly reach out yourself, they're not going to bring in me as a podcaster now.

I don't think the brewers ever need to see me around the facility again. To be fair, you've been a total dick. I don't think I'm like an enemy. But if they had their choice. Bart doesn't need to be here.

What did he ever do? What is he gonna do? If you were the brewers, would you credential you? No, of course not. Would you not credential you because you're on a podcast, or would you not credential you because of all the shots you've taken?

I credential I'm not credentialing because I was credential for eight years and it jacked shit there. I'm doing it. I'm watching Veep right now. You would be like the Leon West. Character inside the bowels of American Family Field.

Are you watching Veep for the first time? It's Leon. Leon West is the reporter who eventually became. I don't want to say anything. Oh, that guy?

Yeah, okay. Like, you need to become that guy. I think they would appreciate hard-hitting journalism. What season are you on? I think two.

I'm pretty early for two something. Yeah. All right. Is Ted Lasso a big enough show to go to the White House? I never watched season two.

I finished season one and thought. Season one is one of the best things ever in TV. Season two is, I don't like it. I finished season one and I thought, that was good. I'm done now.

The dart game was one of the greatest TV movies of all time. Wonderful. Yeah. But when's my show Severance come back? Yeah, I think this summer, so so good.

Fuck me. Are you guys into succession? I was listening, by the way, disclaimer: this is not a shot at anyone who works in our industry. This is simply an observation. I was listening to Zabe the other morning, he can't stand succession.

He's like, the writing sucks. The character, he just goes and scorched earth on that show. I was like, okay, there's a take I haven't heard. The guy who hates succession, because everyone just bends over backwards for this show. It's a really good show.

It's a really good show. I think so. Yeah. My wife watched it for a little bit. The only time I've ever.

Seen it on is when they're in like some high-end bar or something.

Well, they're always at a high-end something. I want to, this is one I want to watch, but I'm still getting through Marvel. You're never going to get through Marvel. That's I'm through Daredevil half first season. I thought of you while watching Succession the other night, Bart, because Roman has this scene where they're about to spend like eight or nine million dollars.

And he's like, you guys don't understand how much money is in a billion. It's a thousand million. And then he's like, Yeah, that's my line. And I'm sitting at home like Leo DiCaprio with a can of beer, like pointing at the screen. For this money.

All right. Clearly, we don't want to talk about the brewers.

So, I am pretty excited. Yes. Yes. So, yeah, I would say, absolutely. Obviously, I led with that.

That would lead me into the hidden camera videos with Bryce Terang and with. Gus Varland. The freshman If you've watched the series that the Brewers have had, does anybody on this podcast would they like to use this opportunity to say anything positive? about the really good stuff that's been happening on brewer's social media. Mm-hmm, or mm-mm, that someone here would like to take that chance.

Well, before you try to bait me into saying something I'll regret, let me take this time to say something positive about Happy Place Hemp. Happyplacehemp.com, 25% off every order. I mean, every order. Do you think I just mean your first order? You think I mean your first three orders?

It's every order. I'm gonna start doing my hat. Hold on.

Someone's bothering me lately on Twitter. This is not someone I want to go against, but I'll tell you. Leave Eli alone. No, it's not Eli. Who is that?

Eli's the kid who watermarks NFL films that fucking Super 70s Sports. Oh, God. Every tweet is the same. You knew goddamn fucking right, Marborough. You fucking goddamn new.

Okay, we get it. Not every time.

So you come home to happy place. You goddamn right, you're going to have a fucking good time.

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Spray some CBD in their mouth. Give them a better life. Can you promote that? Item in any other way, please. No one wants to think about dead dogs.

Or dying dogs. You know what I like to do, Grant? What's that? I like to roam the streets of Milwaukee and see all the strays and just. Yeah.

Right in their face. I'm saving dogs. One tincture at a time.

Now you might just be like Bart, that's weird. I just like taking gummies because they relax me and make me feel good. And that's fine too. 25% off. Happy place, hemp.

Such a great combo. Pop one at halftime of a Bucks game, watch the second half, and then slip into a little post-game stream yard. Hear Q and Tony and Texas do each other. Yeah. There you go, there's the promo code on the YouTube on the YouTube.

All right. I do not want to apologize to the Brewer social media team. Who's making these videos? Do they have a video person? Yes.

Is that the social media person? It's a team of people, bud. Who's the one that's running the Twitter account? I know who it is, actually. I'm not going there.

So I. Not no. They need to come out with an apology. For the fucking cheese incident. Come on, that's a throwaway off-season tweet.

The Brewer String Cheese Incident. Did you see the yellich tweet? That was funnier. They deleted it. That was the best one.

Which one? Did I see it?

So I think it was last Friday when there were runners on, and Yelich just smoked a ground ball right into the grass, and then it snuck under the shortstop's glove. And two runs scored. And the brewers tweeted the highlight, and they were like, 'Yellish doing yellish things.' That picture is also not great. Why would they ever delete a Yellich tweet? They've never done that before.

Other than that tweet, which is funny, it's not like it was the end of the world. I think they've been killing it the last couple of weeks. I think it's been good stuff. We're excited. Bart, let me tell you what you're if I get a great piece of mail.

If someone writes me a great letter. I'm not giving credit to the mailman. But you're being media person. You're nitpicking. You're being videos.

What? You're nitpicking, though. Like, there's an like, if there's a most clubs have an overall digital content, everything, right?

So it's all under. It's all part of the same leadership model.

So, you can't be like, oh, well, it wasn't like the social media thing. Like, clearly, I know they're doing a good job. I'm just being stubborn. What do you think about this? I was reading all these places that denied me for social media jobs in the last six months, and someone in the comments rightfully said, Why would anyone hire you?

You're always getting in fights on Twitter. Yeah. But then to that I said But am I not building my brand?

Well, the question is: does Batteries Plus want that as their brand? That doesn't mean I need to do that for them. For this brand, I am the social media director for the Bart Winkler Show. And the Bart Winkler Show brand is combative. That doesn't mean that I'm combative.

That's my brand is combative. It's good to know that you have that club in your bag. I would question if you can keep that club in your bag if you were. in charge of, you know, a major social media account. I fear I will never have a real job again.

Yeah. You could have a job. You could have a job tomorrow. If you wanted a job, you could get a job tomorrow. But like a job that is easy and I don't have to work hard.

Okay. There's nowhere to work in this town unless you want to work 40 hours a week. Yeah. What about Oh, your wife works from home. I was going to say, incare, in-home daycare.

I love the movie Daddy Daycare. Your son is already around. Great movie. It is a great movie. One of Jeff.

I stayed at home all day, and we send my son to daycare. There's a problem there. You should do daddy daycare. I think the Brewer's social media has been excellent. Other than a couple funny tweets, but I have tweet notifications turned on for them.

I see everything they send the second they send it.

So I'm, I'm. I have them under a microscope.

So I'm about to lose my blue check mark, guys. You have till April 15th. Yeah, and then he's gonna charge you to vote in polls. Sports radios boned on that one. How will March Madness ever survive?

How? What's your level of confidence in Brian Gudekunst after his comments on Monday? Very confident, somewhat confident, or not very confident at all. What will sports radio do with? Look, I got the GNL Liquidators Twitter poll of the day that I put up every goddamn day.

Do you really? What am I going to do? I don't know. Is that a real place? I was going to say.

Go look.

So, Bart, let me just say this about your brewer's social media stuff. The problem that you what you have said about Gary Wolfel in the past is he doesn't tweet after the Bucs win the championship. He tweets after they get down 2-0. Oh. He picks his spots.

Oh, wow. So if you go after... The brewers, when they do something you don't like, and then you don't say the good stuff, now you're being. Woeful Bucks Twitter guy, because you're only picking the spots that fit your narrative. You can't do that.

Paul? Mm, let's go! Yeah. I don't like recording someone without their permission. I thought those were very intrusive.

Oh, and you're not really doing this. The casting couch reply tweet was very funny. That's my buddy Popcorn Jake. Yeah. Okay.

Brewer's Twitter is incredible. But.

So if I'm Gus Varlin and I make the team. God, could Craig have been worse than that? They had that. Chris, we're optioning you to Chicago. That was the Terang one.

Yeah. I the Turning's like You never might what The f Oh, the cop oh. I thought that was like great. I would have thought I got traded to the White Sox. I think a few thoughts probably went through his mind.

And then they're like, then afterwards they're like... Hey, do you mind? We we had a camera in that plant. They got to ask them. Do you mind if we put it on?

If you're Bryce Terang, you're not going to say no, because then you're like, Well, if I say no, are you going to send me down? No, because people are gonna want to live that moment with you. Like, first off, if, Bart, you just talked about your brand. Bryce Terang's brand, Gus Varlin's brand, had a positive hit yesterday. Not just because they made the team, but Gus Varlin is.

People got to watch them live their best moment of their lives. What? Gus Varlin is going to have more saves. in the second half than Devin Williams. Wow, that is a hot take.

But, like, no, but seriously, it's good for the Bryce Terang brand, it's good for the Gus Varland brand. That, and by the way, the There wasn't an Owen Miller one.

So like. I don't know if that was because Owen Miller said, No, I'd rather you didn't put it on. Like, I don't, I don't know. But for people on YouTube, how much should I worry about this hairline? Significantly.

Get a perm and then let it hang down. That's the style. I'm getting a haircut, everyone, so just be aware. All right, I want to ask you a Anything else to say on the Brewers Bard or you'd like to see? Yeah, the social media team's been fucking gangbusters.

And they alone. Have got me more interested in this opening day.

So, yes. Because of the social media team. I don't know how much of this is serious at this point.

Well, I just think I don't hear so. I gotta say it wasn't just the in-house Coverage from the Bears. Grant went down to Phoenix.

Now you know those people, now you know spaces of the names. I thought there was a lot of buzz generated by many parties the last couple of weeks all around the brewers, not just the brewers themselves.

So I'd like to add that in. Do you think that's a good enough argument for me trying to get social media jobs? I'm doing a brand. This is all a bit. It's not me.

It is all a bit at the end of the day. It's me trying to get. I love when people are like You're just trying to get people to listen to your show.

Well yeah, it's like the only fucking money I have right now is if Is if Dyko has an ad in my podcast that I don't know. Who even sponsors the podcast from Blue Wire? I don't even know. What ads run? Just like ads for other podcasts?

Yeah. What ads are on in my shelf?

Okay. I'm a podcast skipper. I do the 30-second, 30-second.

Well, that doesn't help me.

Well, I support your advertisers, they're just not coming to mind at the moment. Mm-hmm.

All right. You got box one? Box one. All right. Can I play a voicemail quick?

Sure. Yeah. Are you guys in a hurry? Do you need to leave? No.

Not in a hurry. All right, Carl's plays voicemail 402-915-BART. Yep, that's right. My name: 402-915-BART. 2278.

I got a voicemail from John and Franklin. And remember, Carl's place, Grant, as you said, you're doing your taxes. Hopefully, you get a nice little refund. You can go to carl of et.com backslash Bart. Or just go to BartWinklershow.com.

Link's right there. I'll go check it out. Get a golf simulator. Here's Jar. Good morning, John and Franklin.

I just got done listening to your show. from Monday night. Um Enjoyed it. Good to hear Matt in the falls. his take on the number one seed I'm in full agreement.

with and every Buck stand should be in 100% agreement. He's spot on. how I feel. It's it's the only way to feel. We're not we're not worried about Beating one or one of these teams, but they're obviously.

You don't want to go through two. and take the physical attrition And the effort it's going to take. You want to save that. for a team in the West, which brings me to the point you made, and I'm not worried about the West. I'm not thinking about the West.

I will worry about the West when we're wrapped up with the East. We've got a lot on our plate. I think I'm going to go to that Boston game. And it's a decision because I think I've seen a third or close to half the Bucks home losses I've gone to a number of games and they've underperformed, including the Cavaliers game. And it's kind of mystifying.

You know, I don't understand it. And I'm certainly not worried about you know, I'm a little bit of a worrier with my sports teams. I'm not worried about the Bucks. I'm not worried about the loss in Denver. Not worried about the semi close game against Detroit for a while until they decided to put a fork in them.

Uh this team can turn it on. They you know, they can turn it on. They showed it. Good to see Middleton. You know, he's always a little inconsistent, but when he's on, boy, he looks so good.

So good. And big difference maker with the run we're going to have in the postseason this year, I would expect.

So Uh love in the box. Looking forward to The end of the season here, and I'm really looking forward to that matchup with Boston. That's going to be. That's going to be appointment uh appointment viewing. And we need to nail down this one seed.

And then proceed. Real quick, Bart, you bringing up the chairs thing, you can keep bringing that up. That was. That was so. Strong.

Of you. That was so strong of you putting the chairs out after O2. That will live in infamy. I'm out. Yeah, well, I'm on the sidelines and everyone else is on the radio.

So glad that made an impact. I don't think he wants something to live in infamy. Do you like that? Uh, he had a little uh sweet care line in there, Gran. Did you catch that?

He said, He said, so good, so good. It's in the air. When's Neil Week?

Next week or two weeks? No, it's two weeks. I'm going on a little mini vacation next week. I'm off Wednesday through Friday, so I can't do it next week. Oh, wow.

Are you going to see Mayer? Yes, twice next week, which is yeah, which is part of the vacation, not the whole thing. My girlfriend's family fills in for you. Great question, Bart. That is on the dialogue.

I do figure out when I get to work today. I mean In mind, I'll keep it in mind. Will the powers that be? Say no to that. I don't know that the powers that directly be over me care.

I don't know how that would I don't know how that would logistically work. But that's a goal to figure out today who's But yes, Paul, I am going to see him twice next week, if you wish to. Saturday at the XL in the Twin Cities, and then next Thursday in Palm Desert. Because that's where Rachel's family lives. My girlfriend's family lives.

Edit that out in post, Tim. Thank you. You good, Bart? I'm not gonna. No.

Obviously not. I know you're not gonna. This is Greg. I'm going to be on KTY next week anyway. I got a Zach Geld show.

Nice. Yeah. By the way, I got not tonight. You're going on a Competing station. Yes.

I hope it's great. I hope he really enjoyed it, and I hope he asked you the best questions. All right, here's my box topic. Mm-hmm.

A lot of NBA coaches, including Coach Bud in the past. like to stick to an 8-man playoff rotation.

So If you don't exclude garbage if you'll if you exclude garbage time or you know maybe like thirty seconds at the end of a quarter. The bucks is the bucks are so deep. That they would like, it would be a challenge to come up with, you'd have to come up if they want to play an eight-man rotation.

So, Giannis, Drew, Chris, Brooke.

Okay, great. You know the You can only take three. Of the following seven players. Three of the following seven would not get minutes. I'll list all seven.

If Bud said hey, I'm gonna do an eight-man rotation. Here's seven players that you'd have to pick. Three of to not play.

So four of the seven would play, three of the seven would not play. Jay Crowder, Joe Ingalls, Javon Carter, Bobby Portis, Grayson Allen, Pat Conaton, Wes Matthews. An eight-man rotation means three of those. Don't play. And again, like garbage time or like maybe a 30-second spell, but like a legit eight-man rotation, three of those don't play.

The three that you. would keep off your eight-man rotation. Again, I'll say the seven names one more time: Crowder, Ingalls, Carter, Portis, Allen, Conanton, Matthews. The three you would exclude from your playoff rotation. to get down to an eight-man lineup.

Would be Pat? Wes And Grayson. Meaning crowders in? Ingalls is in. Javon Carter's in, Portis is in.

with Wes, Pat and Grayson out of the lineup. Mm-hmm, or mm-mm, that that would be your eight.

Well, that's not what they're gonna do. We know that, right? Keep in mind, there were series that Bobby didn't play. Their championship run. There were series that Brooke didn't play in the championship run.

So, like, that's going to happen. One series is going to be a little less Grayson. But if I have to pick, Collatin's out.

Okay, I think that's wow.

Okay, so that I mean, I Okay, I'm not gonna spoil what I was gonna say.

Okay, so Jonathan, eight, Mr. One for six. Mr. January 6th. Should come in.

One hyphen six.

Sorry, I thought it was funny. Never mind. That's not where I was going, but that is funny. It is. Thank you.

I thought it was funny. Keep going. I'm going to mute myself. Uh God, I'm really. I got it like weird for Gray.

I don't want to see Grayson out. Matthews would be out. You're going to get enough defense everywhere else. Javon's in. Yeah.

Bobby's in, Jay's in, and Ingalls is in.

So who's the other guy? Cut Grayson, probably? Yep. And that was my cutting grayson. Yeah, shit.

Oops. Javon is over. I trust Javon more than I tr I trust those other guys. You don't have a lot of nights where Javon Carter goes one for seven. He's either going to go five or seven or he's going to stop shooting.

The other thing to consider is this is a Massively big team.

So, like Giannis Brooke. Do you understand how, like, this is what I was trying to get across the other night? Do you understand how fucking deep this team is? That's my point. Coming off that Pistons game, I think it further emphasizes.

There's people freak over here, but shut. The fuck up Correct. You're not ready. For another playoff run. It's gonna be hard.

It's going to be grueling. They're going to lose a couple games that they shouldn't lose. It'll be all be fine. You just went like full Jon Moxley. It was really good.

Um Every every week I turn to AEW, I think it's a rerun 'cause Moxley's doing the same fucking thing. Bleeding. I'm not taking any prisoners this time. This is my life. And then I'm going to lose this match to Hangman.

Grant bills. Mm-hmm, or mm-mm.

So you've got your Giannis Chris Drew Brooke. And then you gotta get down to your eight-man rotation. And of the seven, Crowder, Ingalls, Javon, Portis, Grayson, Pat, Wes, you are leaving Grayson, Pat, and Wes off your eight-man rotation. Mm-hmm, or mm-mm.

There's going to be series where Bobby isn't really a factor, and there's going to be series where Javon Carter, or not Javon Carter, Jake Crowder, Jake Crowder. It's probably not a factor.

So some of that takes care of itself. Based on matchups, which is why I've been on the show doing my trust tree. It will get more specific when we get to the specific series because then I will switch from a trust tree to a matchup meter.

So that'll be more a God, he's so good. I like the alliteration. A case-by-case basis. Let's just talk about Pat. Pats, pats.

Gets every chance for me because Pat, someone told me last night that Pat's going to be last year's George Hill. Oof. Could be he gets every chance within reason. I'm not going down swinging with Pat Conneton, but everyone wants to put him on the bench. People forget in the season they won the title, we were over Pat.

We were so sick of him. And then all of a sudden, he's hitting daggers in game sevens and in a conference finals and an NBA finals. Once you do that, once you show me that you can do that, You don't get a forever pass, but I know that's in you. I know that could happen. I'm going to give Pat every chance to bring that out.

So, I'm not cutting Pat from my rotation. I think Carter should play this year a lot compared to last year because he can dog James Harden up and down the court and help out Drew Holiday a little there. The Celtics really don't have a true point guard still. Derek White's more of a two. Brogdon's more of a two.

Just annoy, annoy, annoy, annoy. Javon Carter's great at that.

So. I don't really know if I answered that question. I think Wes has a moment. in the playoffs. I think all of those guys can have moments in the playoffs policy.

Are you playing like again, series, you know, series dependent, opponent dependent? Do you think all 11 of those guys are going to get real minutes? No, not real minutes, but I think you know how this works. Bud will throw away a game one if he thinks he keeps his cards close to the vest and learns more about who can play and who cannot play. He'll play 10 guys in game one of the second round, lose to Philly, and be like, all right, we're fine.

I guess I don't play. Yeah, there'll be a game you see AJ Green in the first quarter for three minutes. And Tony and Texas will lose his goddamn mind, even though it really doesn't matter. Because again, this is one of my favorite Bart obnoxious takes. He has many.

One of my favorite is. I was a Warriors fan and I watched all of these finals runs. I understand what it's like. Yeah. You know, starting line to finish line, all the others.

That's true. I know. And Bucks fans, I just don't think are. I've been through it. Yeah, we're losing.

If I'm not a Warriors fan, there's no chairs being put out on Wisconsin Avenue. Mm-hmm.

So just so you know. I enjoy that. I think you're right. I would say that more if I were you. It's like, you guys, I saw this with the Warriors.

I've seen it with the Bucks. This is months. We're going to be in this. And that's why I don't think people are ready because you're bitching about, you're bitching about a. You're bitching about a lot that Drew and Giannis are out against the Pistons.

You're not ready. Mm-hmm.

You're not ready. But I think Bud will do his thing, Paul. He'll play a lot of those guys. I would give Pat chances to get his shot going in the playoffs because we've shown that he can do it before. Bobby and Bobby's minutes might fluctuate.

Jay Crowder is probably more useful against Boston than he is against other teams. That's fine. That's why Bud is the coach. Very baseball manager-esque. Figure out who can play when and against who.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, this is a total hypothetical. He can play all 11 if he wants. Probably shouldn't. And it can be matchup dependent because, I mean, anytime you're playing. what would be six bench players.

With because we named 11 guys. That means that's fewer minutes that your top Three, four guys are playing, you know, which is which is an incredible top four, you know, in terms of Brooke and Giannis and Drew and Chris.

So you don't want that to happen. Like you don't want to be playing these guys heavy minutes when you could otherwise be playing better players. Of course. I would just say it's a really fascinating challenge. And the reason I came up with the question was just because I was trying to come out a way of it, come at it in a way of.

emphasizing how deep the roster is. And how that's great because it gives you injury insurance and matchup opponent insurance, depending on who you want to play and how that team plays. But also that Bun's job. is going to be difficult. They have, I mean, I didn't even say Myers Leonard, who's had a, you know, who's been a very serviceable player.

Marjan. I didn't say Marjan. I didn't say Dragic. Like How many Times has Dragic come up big for a playoff team throughout his long career. I don't know.

I genuinely don't know how many times he has. Is it a lot? I don't know. He's been in the league since you were in diapers, Graham. I remember when he was with Phoenix and there was a big sweepstakes on who was going to get Dragic.

I remember that. That's been a while. You're correct. By the way, just a quick random trivia question: who do you think is the Bucs 3. Leader.

This season? Who has the best three-point? And I'm not going to include like Myers-Leonard because it's just such a short sample. But I was going to say brooke. Brooke is thirty seven point four percent.

Which puts him about like seventh on the team. At one point it was broke. Drew. Drew, what a shitty guest. Fuck me.

37.9%, actually higher than Brooke by a shade, but nowhere near the top guy in the box. 3. Shooting. Is it Grayson? Grayson, 40.3% is behind.

Oh, it's my guy. It's JC. Jake. Crowder? Javon Carter.

Javon Carter? is correct. Yeah. 42 42.3. That's what I just said.

I said when he's hot, he's I said when he's not shooting, unshoot. I just fucking said that. Wink Lauder, you piece of shit. Hey, here's something that we're not going to talk about because we did tape this beforehand, but. And I'm wrapping up the show now.

Is that fair? Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, he was first place was Javon. Third place was Grayson.

Second place, right between those two, was. Yeah. Uh I don't care. Joe Ingalls. All right, go ahead.

Oh, interesting. We did because Paul ruined it earlier. We are recording this on a Tuesday morning. Oh, how dare you. And as we're starting to wrap up this, Matt LaFleur is about to be talking.

Yeah. And he pulled the Cody Rhodes, according to Mike Garifalo. He says that He sat down and said, so what do you guys want to talk about? Poor man. He really gets boned in this situation.

Did you see the report of the? This is your boy Gelb. Did you see Gelb's report? Oh, yeah. Mark, did you see this?

Yeah, Gelb. Hold on.

Here's what LeFleur did say. About Rogers. He said. He is not answering questions on Rogers. Oh, really?

other than to say I've got nothing but love and appreciation for what Aaron has done. for so many in our organization. A lot of people have been rewarded to see his ability to play. Shout out Ryan Wood. Yep, thank you.

Gelve says. Last night. I was told Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur. would have game plan meetings to give Rogers more say.

Sometimes Rogers would show up to the meeting. Other times, he would leave Matt sitting there with no word that Aaron wasn't going to show up. That makes sense. I read that. Yeah, let me read it again because I thought you delivered it.

Here's Zach. Yeah, that was bad delivery. I was told Aaron Rodgers and Matt LaFleur would have game plan meetings to give Rogers more say.

Sometimes Rogers would show up to the meeting, and other times he would just leave Matt sitting there with no word that Aaron wasn't going to show up. End tweet. Dude. That is Bad. Yeah.

Bad. I believe it. I totally believe it. By the way, anyone And there's also only a couple people who would know that information.

So anyone who's unsure of who to believe in this scenario Goodyear Rogers, I'd be like, I'd I have a good guess. Seems to be some he said, she said discourse. Bart, can I actually? I don't know if you guys have seen this. Before we wrap up, can I read you this quote from Ron Rivera?

This might be more shocking than anything that's happened about Rogers. This just came across my timeline. two minutes ago. It's from Sam Fortier or Fortier. He covers the commanders for the Washington Post.

I'm just going to read you the quote: Ron Rivera, quote: I'm a big bang theory guy or a big, big bang theory guy. Is that on the record? Quote, oh yeah.

Well, Ron Rivera, as Toby would tell you, is a very questionable head coach.

So that just only further emphasizes the. Guy went for it on fourth and one once from his own 41, and all of a sudden he's riverboat Ron. He he he got so conservative last year, people forget. I don't forget.

Alright, Grant, Paul, thank you guys. Thank you. This is fun. Love you both. What can we expect for opening day content on Thursday?

I'm looking forward to that. I will be live after Bucks Pacers on Wednesday.

Okay. And I will be live after opening day. Live after Buck Celtics, too. And live after Buck Celtics.

Now, opening day in Milwaukee, I don't know what I'm gonna do yet, but I'll probably just be in my basement. Wear a suit. It'll be funny. Uh as I used to, yeah. All right.

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