Packers Draft Reaction with Ryan Horvat

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You need Indeed. Good morning, everybody. My name is Bart Winkler.

Bart Winkler's show. Ryan Horvat's here. To what do I owe this great pleasure?

Oh yeah, I asked you to come on. Hey, buddy. Yeah, the greatest time of the year has officially ended, but I'm actually glad it ended, and that's the NFL draft because this year it was almost just like draining.

You know what I mean? I was a big CJ Stroud fan, and I figured he was the second best quarterback. At worst, maybe Anthony Richardson would sneak up. I was never a believer in Will Levis, but then everybody was throwing him under the bus because he's a crappy test taker. Obviously, that's a really important test, but I still think CJ Stroud will be pretty good, man, but that was just the stuff that we- It even is the test.

Everyone's dogging him. We don't even know what this test is. All about decision-making. I'm pissed I didn't put more money on Stroud going two. I put $10 on it.

Boo-hoo. I should've put a lot more on it. Of course he was fucking going two.

But at the time, when you played it, it was like a value play. I bet him going number two, again, right before the draft started, there was an hour to go, and it was still plus 500. Then 20 minutes later, he was minus 1,200, so the information obviously got out that he was going to go number two. It's just like if you were the Texans, you had to go with the safe picks.

That was the other thing. Will Anderson, after the last three years, all we've talked about, Will Anderson, the best defensive player in the country, and then all of a sudden, he's not going to be the first player taken on that side of the ball. You could say, okay, this guy's got a higher ceiling, and that's what the Jags did last year with Walker, and I think that they're going to regret that. Maybe he ends up being a great player, but I like Aiden Hutchinson. Nobody's going to be every year. He's never going to be a 16-and-a-half, 17-and-a-half, Miles Garrett type player, but I'll take a guy who every year is going to give me 910 sacks, which is I think actually what Green Bay did.

Maybe actually they went with a guy with the bigger ceiling. We're going to talk about that pick. I just actually want to get to Van Ness really quick, because you know who we... Let's start with... I got a lot to ask you.

Yeah, I was going to say, let's just get into it. I haven't really talked about any of this yet, so I'm happy. Okay, the one thing I want to do is just regarding the draft, I think the bubbles popped on this. Not on the draft itself. The draft itself is great, but three months of everyone with a Twitter account mock-drafting I think is a little much. I'm getting tired of as soon as these guys get drafted.

I'm just tired of seeing that RAS score graphic, and then I go on, and we've done draft shows together, but I'm on there Thursday night doing my draft show, and it used to be the network's broadcasted, and then radio stations do it, and now every station's doing it, and now guys at 33rd team or running the guard rails or first down marker and 35th to 51 yard line. Everyone's got a... I mean, we're all doing the same shit. It's just like, ugh.

I long for the days where I just got a keg, and we drank based on who got drafted. I don't know. I think the machine is just... I don't know. It chewed me up and spit me out this year.

You know what I hate about it? Yeah, yeah. I agree, man. The way that I watch college football and the way that I look at these guys, I mean, the eye test is there, so you worry about the off the field stuff, but for example, none of this stuff... You know, like Anthony Richardson, right? Him having an awesome workout didn't surprise me because I watched him play football for 12 games last season, right? I watched him beat Utah, a really good Utah defense, which granted that game was in the swamp.

I don't know that he could have went there and beat them, but he was awesome in that game. We saw the plays. We see the ceiling with him. We also know that he doesn't really know what he's doing yet, but that's fine because Patrick Mahomes didn't know how to read an NFL defense until season three. He's still learning things.

He was like, oh, yeah. I didn't even know how to identify the mic on the defensive side of the ball year one. Just like some guys are that talented.

I agree, man. It's like, oh, top five pick, and then like with CJ Stroud, we were all raving about CJ Stroud after we watched him. He should have beat Georgia, and then it's, oh, well, he plays in the Ohio State offense. Okay, yeah, he's played with like Lave and all these really good guys, but also like let's look at some of the adversity that he had to deal with this year where JSN, who everybody wanted green beta draft with the top 15 pick. He didn't play like all season long. He was out there for like 10 percent of the snaps.

Marvin Harrison's awesome, but nobody was even really talking about Marvin Harrison going into the season. That's what Ohio State does, though. They recruit five star receivers, but then, dude, like he goes down in that game. They probably beat Georgia if he doesn't get hurt because they had no answer for him. Ringo sure as hell wasn't going to defend them, but Stroud was awesome in that game, and we saw like a play break down his reads. He's not just like a one read guy, and he would use his legs. He was like, Oh, maybe he's not athletic enough.

But then we saw against the best defense in the country he was. And so I know that he scored crappy on a test. He even said he's like, I'm not a test taker. And I know that's a very important test for quarterbacks, but I'm with the test.

What's one question on the test? Like, that's the thing. Like, and that's the thing. Everybody pretends like they know.

And I like this test. Yeah, my guy image. He's saying he'd never draft him. I bookmarked that because I'm like, okay, man, like I'm not saying CJ Stroud's Patrick Mahomes. But I saw, for example, really quickly, okay, you could tell me that he plays in this wide open offense.

And I tried to send this stuff to, you know, to some of these people that were ripping Stroud. It's like, but I see him do this stuff on on the field. Like okay, he could locate.

So okay, the outside backers coming right here. He's got a guy here in the flat. He knows that guy's going to be open. Sure, that's a wide receiver that's going to be open in the you know, in the slot at Ohio State that's going to take this 20 yards for a touchdown or for a first down. But he identifies that he's got to get rid of that ball quickly. Like we've seen him do all the stuff that we want our quarterbacks to do. He's six foot threes 220 pounds.

I said on the show, maybe he was hung over, you know, maybe he's not a good test taker, because that's the other thing. Jalen Carter off the field stuffs really messed up, especially like that's really messed up, don't get me wrong. But I don't care that during his offseason, that used to be football. Remember, like guys would show up to training camp like drinking beer, and they'd be out of shape like during Farve's time, then by week eight, week nine, they're ready to go. That's why like the first couple weeks of the season still suck guys got to get back in football shape. Big guys are big guys, dude. But I've seen him for the last couple years at Georgia be the best defensive lineman prospect.

So I don't care about some crappy workout. I didn't care that Kevin Durant couldn't bench the bar because I knew in an NBA game, he could score 50 points on the best defender in the league. We always over blow this stuff. You know, and I hope like a dude in the foot tall, like Drew Brees was six feet tall.

Sorry, go on. No, the problem with Kevin Durant was remember that Thunder series against the warriors where they were up three one, and game six was decided by a bench press off. And that's what ultimately doomed them. Exactly. My favorite my favorite overblown thing about the draft. We do this every year with a six foot seven 240 quarterback that I'm always right about. I'm always like this guy sucks. Right? Like I've been wrong on guys. I've said like Josh Rosen is going to be the best quarterback in this draft.

Right? But I've also been like, everybody, all these dudes. I'm always right about them. I'm like, I watched this guy.

All right. And I know that he could sit down at the 40 yard line, smoke a cigarette on his knees, get up and hit the goalpost. But like when in a game like you just said, when is ever will love us. They're just gonna be like, all right, game tied 35 all against the Texans. Let's have them sit at the 20 yard line now and see if he can hit the top of the goalpost.

Like none of this crap matters. We knew Joe burrow was going to be a dude because at LSU, even though it was a wide open offense, he still had to make those throws. And we just saw him like smoking cigars in the locker room. And we're like, wait a minute, Justin Jefferson, all these dudes like love this guy. He's going to be a dude. We knew Brady was going to be a dude like because he just always wanted the ball and always won games at the end. Aaron Rogers, say what you want about him. He's like a cocky asshole.

You hate him. But at the end of the day, like you knew he was going to be good. Some of these guys, you just know, they're going to suck. Mettenberg swag Kelly, even Manziel. Like I knew Manziel was going to be no good. We saw during the off season at Texas a and M he's doing rails in the bathroom in Vegas. You know, like that's not the guy that I want to put the franchise on. He's not the face where I broke the news that Chad Kelly was working out with the backers.

Yeah, I broke it. Yeah. Um, there's going to be a, there's going to be a pivotal play for the Texans this year where Stroud is going to hit a receiver and it's going to be a first down or they're going to have to go to the measurement. And instead they're going to say, actually, instead of a measurement, we are now going to give CJ Stroud a test. And if he fails this answer, the Texans will lose the game. Exactly. CJ we've inflated 24 balls, right? Tom Brady comes in, steals 16 ball. Like that's the other thing, man.

Like who the fuck wants to do all that? He's just, this guy's ready to get his endorsement money to get out there and sling the fucking pill. I love what he said. I'm not a fucking test taker. I'm a football player. And if I was dumb, I wouldn't be the quarterback at Ohio state. Boom.

Sold right there. I seen him make every throw. Just like, I honestly thought that Bryce young, I bet him to go number one. He was like plus 300 and then he was plus two 75. I'm like, I'm betting this again because I know he's short.

He's fucking awesome. So maybe he ends up being a dude that we never talk about height when they're playing college or in the pros. We only talk about height in these four months. Yeah.

And here's the thing like, sir, sure. I wouldn't want to draft like a small dude like Kyler. I wouldn't have drafted Kyler number one.

Cause here's the problem. He's awesome when he's healthy, but he's so little Kyler Murray being drafted by the A's have saved athletics baseball. No. Would they have traded him already?

Yes. He would never have played for the A's. That's the thing, man. I mean, honestly, I would love to do like a man on the street interview in Oakland. Can you name three A's?

I, I couldn't, I couldn't do it. That's the name of the former brewers. Like a Sean Murphy on the team still. Is that even a guy? He's Peterson.

Hey, Zeus Aguilar Murphy got traded the Braves and then the ACE traded for Asturi Ruiz who was in the hater deal. Yeah. I mean like, but exactly. So yeah, the draft, the whole process sucks, but I still do love the NFL draft, especially, uh, you know, when you can make some money off of it.

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The ones that helped me sleep the CBD CBN's of pretty good. I am now it is my birthday month. So that means I'm not even gonna drink around my birthday. Yeah, so and my birthday I think is on a Friday. Yeah, you got to stick with it though. Dude. Like for example, I'm going I know you don't care but the Cubs are in town in DC so it's a huge deal because they're actually like watchable.

I mean, they're not good but they're watchable. And so I'm excited to actually go to the game but I'm also no drinking for me this month. I just a lot of gummies though those those help but I just feel you feel just rejuvenated. Especially if you take a month off you'll just you'll feel so much better you lose weight.

You look better your skin looks better you go into the summer feeling like a new you and then got that spare tire on you. Huh? Yeah, you know, it was a spare tire on your hat. Yep.

No, but I got me though. I saw a tick tock once that said alcohol is a thief. It steals time.

It steals your health. Money. It's money. Yeah, yeah. Just think about that. If I don't spend $200 on booze at the game, I could get a fucking foam finger. I could get a I could get a fucking Trey Mancini Jersey I could get a Dansby Swanson Jersey I could get myself.

You know who needs to fuck off and I mean this with all due respect, man. The Brewers. I'm sorry.

What they do. I bet them last year. So hear me out people. I'm not a brewer hater. Like Mike's when my team I was rooting for you guys, but I bet you guys to win the World Series last year. Shit the bed couldn't even win the such bet you to win the central I have $1500 fucking Cardinals been ruining my life my entire life they come out of nowhere. So then this year I'm like, Oh, this team's gonna suck. They're overachieving a little bit too much for my liking.

I could see them waiting. I might just bet Cardinals every game the rest of the way there. What are they like nine and 20. They suck.

No, they don't. I'm you know what, it's got to either be I'm fine with the Brewers. I'm fine with you guys. I'm fine with us really fine with us and I'm fine with the pirates.

They deserve something cool and beautiful ballpark. I'm actually going in a couple of weeks, man. My favorite. All right, let's move on with the draft.

Get the gummies get the gummies go Lucas van Ness. You like this guy or what you know, I'm going to preface that I I assume you'll be a more rational calm person today. But throughout the weekend, I got a lot of texts from you basically, like saying that you're smarter than good. No, no, no, no, no.

Okay, so not with this one, though. No, but like, well, when they drafted Sean Clifford, I thought you were gonna renounce your Packer fan. Well, that was just me.

That was truly we'll get to that. All right, Lucas van Ness at 13. Here's the thing about Lucas van Ness at 13 is, again, this is a dude where really high ceiling, but I kind of look at him like Rashaan Gary, just the way that they use them in college because he played, like I want to say like 35 to 40% of his snaps were actually played as a defensive tackle.

So I like that about a man right. And then the rest of his snaps came as an edge rusher. I like that good says they're going to use them as an outside linebacker.

I just worry. I don't know if he's athletic enough. Whereas with Nolan Smith, and I know the RAS score, I know that he was, you know, he tested higher, but like, I watched Nolan Smith, and I think he's the better athlete. And he falls way down in the draft.

And he goes to the Eagles and how he really knows what the hell he's doing right now. So I think van Ness in two to three years can be a really good pro. And we'll be like, Oh, remember when people hated this pick now he's Rashaan Gary, nine and a half 10 sacks sacks every season. We'll see how good he is against the run. But I just worry that it's a little bit of a project just because of that. I do think it'll be like the perfect dude to take over for Preston Smith.

I think he could take over in that role. Don't hate the pick. Maybe it's a little bit of a reach, but I get it.

He's a freak athlete. The one thing that's overblown. I joked about it on social media.

But when you're not talking, I think people like they don't understand my sarcasm. Him not starting a game at Iowa doesn't really bother me. That's how Iowa does stuff. Yeah, I mean, I covered the team, you know, they start the upperclassmen. So if they're seniors on the team, they're gonna get the start.

I believe he played more defensive snaps than anybody else on the defensive side of the ball. So I thought that was a little overblown. Like the pick wouldn't blow anybody over it, though, to be honest. Yeah, just because man, like, here's what scares me.

Somebody had an awesome tweet to me. Somebody said we replaced Dean Lowry with Dean Lowry. And you know how I feel about slow, big 10 white dudes. I want big fast guys from the SEC. So that's what worries me about Van Ness. I also feel like what about the guy they signed Monday Van Ness, you know what I mean? Like he could be the next Dean Lowry, whereas I wanted one of those dudes from and I'm the guy that always shits on on goop for only drafting guys out of Georgia. But I love those guys that fly to the ball. But I think he'll be a good pro, man.

I just think it might take some time. How about this guy? They signed on Monday, Brendan Cox.

Brendan Cox Jr. does nothing for me. He's some kid at Florida. Yeah, he was in Georgia. Yeah, he was a five star recruit.

But he got dismissed from Georgia and then Florida. So I love that actually. So I'm all in on that. That's why I got kicked out of class for selling weed. Yeah.

And now it's illegal. So now he was already Yes, is only 633 don't care is relative athletic score if it's not a nine. I honestly I don't care about anybody that wasn't drafted.

Let's move on. But I'm all for a dude off the field that has an edge with the talent to go to two programs was a five star but just couldn't stay out of trouble, especially if he was just trying to help people because that's, that's all it seems like this young man was trying to do is just put more vitamins in people's life to make them a little bit happier, which we're also trying to do around here. So Lucas van Ness, I'm going to give this pick I'm going to be a little bit tougher of a grader. I'll give it a B plus fair.

That's fair. I'm going to say that I'm not like, I only didn't like it at first because this is one of those guys that's like super close with his sister and I don't have a sister but just looks weird. Like this is the guy I could tell you right now. So let me tell you one thing I like about the guy one thing I hate about the guy right?

The clothing awesome, right? Um, the thing that makes me like this guy kind of brought me back like he reminds me of me and my friends from home right where he's sitting there with his family but also you could tell he's got the party going on and they probably got multiple kegs in his boy. They've probably been best friends since they're like five, six years old. We all have this friend, you know, and well some of us some of us aren't lucky enough to have this friend but I have this friend. He's been your best friend since kindergarten.

You guys know everything about each other. And he was just so excited. He didn't care about the dude's girlfriend, the mom, the dad, he was hammered and he was gonna get that hug in after his boy was finally drafted into the league.

And they're like, Hey guy, like you got to get out of here. You know what I mean? I love he has a friend like that. That tells me that this guy fucks any parties. Here's something I don't like about that guy, right?

Well, because if no one shows up at your birthday party, like Bo Callahan, you ain't gonna get drafted. He's definitely the dude at Country Thunder, who does not have his shirt on. He's made his own G shorts. He's got the boots on.

He's like a little bit chicken fried. But then he's also like the guy that's like fighting at the fucking concert. Like everybody's going to the country music concerts for one reason.

And one reason only two reasons and two reasons only right. The only reason I've ever seen Kenny Chesney whoever the fuck that is. One time I didn't even go into the concert. I was just doing keg stands was because we wanted to get drunk.

It was cheap to sit on the lawn. And because all the girls at the country concerts so hot, the most beautiful women on the planet. They drop them in like the middle of bum fucked Egypt at this shit called like Country Thunder. He's definitely that guy that's like hooking up with all the chicks and you're like fuck this guy like put a fucking shirt on. I haven't said bum fuck Egypt in a while.

Yeah, I'm gonna bring it back. But that's the only thing I don't like about him. Definitely a Country Thunder guy, but I do like him on the football. But I like that he's got friends that like to party. Fair.

Here's a guy that made it up to Fond du Lac, or was that a final like term that made it down to Joliet? Like why? Here's another thing. Why did everybody fuck each? How come everybody that drafted everybody that Green Bay drafted? How come they were all like stationed right outside of Bill Michaels last poker under cigar dinner like in the middle of just like the because we drafted Luke Musgrave and Tucker craft. I thought they drafted Casey Musgraves.

I was excited. We drafted a bunch of guys that don't just have tickets to the cigar dinner. They have season tickets to build cigar dinners. Hey, you know who has to love this fucking draft more than anybody is Michaels. And they took like Tucker craft.

He's probably like just he's probably fucking ordered the jersey Oh, hell yeah. This guy didn't even Tucker craft didn't even the Tucker craft probably thought that he was gonna get signed off the street. He was hammered.

He didn't know who Sarah he was calling Sarah quick, man and stuff. Shut up. You might actually Tucker crap being hammered. Pick. He's probably like Tom Hanks in Elvis movie. I'm gonna be honest. He's like, he's white. He's white. He's white.

We drafted we we had the perfect draft for rural whites. Let me tell you something about this Lucas vinise. All right.

I watched him. All right. Here's the thing about Lucas vinise. Right. So hi, right.

Hi, motor guy. My friend, my friend, actually, my buddy, he actually called me he, he tells me vanis actually had multiple offers, but he chose to go to Iowa. And I like that about the Who's this Jayden Reed? Not a fan. Luke Musgrave. Now we're talking Dan in it.

In it. I think I'm gonna have a heart attack. Yeah, you don't look so good. Well, every time I laugh. Here's another thing that'll help you out an adult electrolyte, which is just PD light for the for the for the fucking peasants.

I don't want to spend the whole $11. These things will to you up right. Alright, so I give Vanessa B plus muscle is van Ness. So I did fire big kid. And this is a great story. When Lucas van Ness in the third quarter, they would turn and say hi to that Children's Museum. He was so touched that he went up there and spent a day unannounced on the ninth floor. Luke Musgrave, tight end, Oregon State, not to be confused with the country music artist, Casey Musgraves. When I asked if any relation, he said no, there is no s at the end of his name.

During the off season. Not only does this young gentleman like to catch footballs, he also likes to take care of sheep. When asked if he's ever touched the sheep sexually, he replied no, no, but you know what about Musgrave?

So let me tell you, I don't really get 10 minutes on Devon White's horses. Yeah. I was like, Can you just tell me his RAS score? Aaron Rodgers went back to Chico, California this off season. Hey, the weirdest the weirdest Rogers quote ever was the Zach Wilson quote. Was that real? Yeah, he's gonna show him heaven off the field. Fuck is going on in this world.

Hey, so let me get the Musgrave real quick. I like the pic for where he was at. But you already know why I can't love the pic, right? Because I thought that they could have moved up maybe if they needed to. All right, here's I want to say this. I wanted Michael there. Well, so Musgrave and then Croft or craft. I don't I don't want to be like one of these offenses this for tight ends on the field every fucking play.

No, I'm fine with that. If that's the little floor offense. One thing about Tucker craft. So the thing I like about this dude other than him being hammered when he got drafted, he turned down a bunch of NIL money and saving wanted him to go play a Bama actually really bad and he turned down.

So what was that? Steve? Nick Saban with Tucker. Yes, Nick Saban wanted Tucker craft to go to the tight end position. No, not Steve Saban.

Tucker craft in Tucker craft state at Sandy or San Diego, South Dakota State. So I don't hate either pick, but I wanted Michael Mayer because I think he's going to be a fucking stud. So I'm going to give these both B's just because what's the DC area like right now with do they have defenders fever there in the championship game? No, I think I'm the only person that cares including in my family because I wanted to go to the game yesterday and my wife said no, she didn't want to go. Oh, fuck is three o'clock game. Yeah, I was pissed.

I bet against him. It was weird. They were like three point favorites and then it got all the way down to one and I was like, man, they played Seattle like 15 fucking times this season.

Like, well, I've seen two of them. So I thought maybe Seattle would finally get them but no, that wasn't the case. No, no, this is not the Sea Dragons here. No, no, no, no, no. They're quarterback. The douche man sucks. Ben DiNucci.

He's terrible. Hey, apparently the Bruins losing was like the biggest shock of sports in all time. So they're trying to tell people that Leicester City winning the Premier League was a big deal.

And everyone's like, I don't get it. And that's how I feel with the Bruins. The Bruins losing in the first round was a huge deal because they won more games than any team in NHL history. But that's the fucking hockey, the Stanley Cup playoffs, right?

That's why I don't bet that shit because who the fuck ever knows what was the biggest shocker was the buck shit in the bed and costing me like my kids tuition, to be honest with you. But I actually don't want to talk about that. But what they should do, actually, I don't want to talk about that because of everything that happened with but off the court.

So I feel really bad talking about it. But I would rather have Nick nurse as my head coach. And I would move Middleton and drew. I know Middleton is going to opt in, obviously, because nobody else is going to pay him. And I'm a middleton fan. And I love Drew, but you got to get like damer a shot creator.

I I hate to say this. I love Yanis. And Yanis is the best player in the league. But he's a fucking power forward in the center. So when the season's on the line, can't watch him fucking shoot mid range jumpers. And especially when he's missing free throws, because how that season ends is he gets in his own head, right? So he's, he's got the yips because he can't hit a free throw to save his life because he honest that final possession of the season, he goes to the rim, dude, it don't even matter if he doesn't get fouled, he's going to the line, but he knows he's not gonna hit those free throws. So he defaults to Chris who doesn't have the best handles, can't create anything, but he has to shoot the ball gives it up to Grayson who doesn't have the stones, he should have popped it right away or again went to the rim, you can't have the season on the line and the ball, Grayson Allen with the ball in his hands. When you have a timeout, you don't take those timeouts into the off season.

And I don't even dude when it goes in regulation, you only have five 10s on the clock, but you have to use that timeout because that's still a catch and shoot situation. So that's why I think Bud should be gone. I know that's a tough week to say it though.

Sorry. I agree. They need to make a coaching change. And I also think you might be surprised that I agree with that.

I am very appreciative of the game that got it done, but I think they need to pivot. You know how the bulls have like Steve curves and Luke Longley's and all these random dudes. Who is the other guy that made a big three out of nowhere? Well, Tony Kukoc is fucking awesome. John Paxton.

Paxton. Yeah. Those guys are our version of those guys are like Grayson and Ingles and Coniton and, you know, Jay Crowder doesn't play.

They need Giannis like surround Giannis with the exact same roster that you're surrounding him with. Yeah. Just five years younger.

Well, and that's the thing like me. This isn't me shitting on younger guys. Jordan needed Pippen. Shaq and Kobe needed each other now in the league.

Dude, everybody needs somebody. Giannis is awesome. But I mean, again, I don't want him shooting mid range jumpers or shooting free throws. You need a shot maker. And so that's why Dame would be awesome. Yo, dude.

Where's yoga? He's going home every year in the first round. Jamal Murray's their closer. Kyrie Irving's the closer even for a little bit. I was going to say Kyrie. Yeah, but no, because he's a, I like Kyrie actually way more than anybody else does.

I just don't know what he is. Basketball wise, is Kyrie not a good fit with Giannis? I think Kyrie is a good fit with anybody, but it's just like, man, I don't know that he like, I don't know. I don't want to speak that like Kyrie doesn't care about basketball.

I think Kyrie ends up with the Lakers and LeBron. Me too. All right.

Fuck the box. Oh shit. Sean Clifford. Yeah, sorry. But Sean Clifford at pick one 49.

Can I tell you my issue with this? Because I already know what everybody's going to say and everybody's going to think that I was overreacting. I hate Sean Clifford, right? I never hated Jordan love. I hated the Jordan love pick again because you just came off the NFC championship game. T Higgins was there.

Jonathan Taylor was there and defensively you gave up 300 yards in that game. I didn't think Rogers was washed. If you drafted Jordan love, he was always going to sit behind Rogers for at least two years because you just fucking extended Rogers. So I get that you thought he was washed, but you weren't moving on from him. So you weren't going to be able to properly evaluate this kid. And now goo, who I know you guys all love.

Here's my problem with them. Not a good people person. Now I'm the biggest Jordan love fan because he gave him absolutely no confidence. Jordan loves busting his ass, putting in the work right now with his teammates. He's asked if they're going to pick up this fucking extension. You're the guy that had the balls to replace the greatest player in franchise history and take a shot with this kid out of Utah state, have the sack to commit to him and say, yeah, we believe in Jordan love. Not, Oh, well that's a lot of money for a guy that's never played. But at the end of the day is the honest would say we're committed to them. Terrible take, dude.

That's my problem with fucking goo. And that's why like all the veterans, like they don't like I get you guys like, okay, he killed it. This draft. I get that you had to move on from Rogers.

I get you guys all love them. I'm just saying he's a terrible people person. So that's why I'm like team Rogers and team clay Matthews and everybody else. That's like, this guy's kind of a fuck.

And I think at the end of the, I think like in three years or four years, if not right now, Jordan, love's going to hate this motherfucker to pay the kid. He's your starting quarterback. What's option fucking beat Sean Clifford. So here's my problem with the Sean Clifford pick. Yeah.

It's the fourth, fifth round. I would have taken a quarterback before that. I would have taken Jake Hainer. I know he's six foot, but he's the fucking real deal. Sean Clifford sucks. He's older than Jordan love. I hear that they are drafting him because he's got a big brain. He's smart. And he's the old guy in the quarterback room. If he's so fucking smart, why is he throwing picks every single fucking Saturday in the big 10? He's no good.

He's he's not good. And here's why I hate the pick. The third quarterback on this roster, his name is Danny Etting. I can't tell you shit about Danny Etting over other than he leaped over a guy in the preseason.

And now you're back up. You're telling me as Sean Clifford, David Bach, the R you didn't draft any offensive lineman. So Bach, the story, I hope and pray that he makes it all 17 games and plays all four quarters every week because that's been an issue. I go under two and a half quarters every week, but let's say, dude, now Jordan love is one collarbone. As we know, injury, one concussion injury away from my favorite team starting Sean fucking Clifford in an NFL ball game. I'm not really thinking like, I think they're going to scour the XFL and USFL for offensive lineman, a backup quarterback, another receiver quarterback in the XFL. Do you want McCarron?

No, your boy didn't huge. See, dude, I'm not, that's why I'm not ready for all of this. Like you guys could all be ready for this. I, and I look, dude, I'm rooting the I'll buy a Jordan love Jersey.

I'll be as big as fan, especially after Goots comments. But what worries me is like, we've had bad, we've had, we've had Seneca Wallace. We've had bad quarterback play before.

We had, I've always wanted a better backup for Aaron Rogers, dude. Yeah. That's where you and Freeman's should have you and Freeman before he turned on you. Cause he thought you got him fired.

Yeah. That was the worst turning ever. If anything, like I would have like, just been like, okay, I quit Chuck and stay. He's been here longer. I stayed cause I was not making a dollar and he was actually making, let's put that out there for the people too, because I hate that I was like the bad guy. I was making fucking I was the bad guy when they, when they got rid of him, they, people thought I pushed them out. If I fucking didn't in, in who else was going to like book the guest and fucking, you know, keep the shit running.

Unfortunately, like we love the old guys in the business, but they just started with a microphone in their fucking face. They didn't have to cut highlights and do the bullshit that I did. I was doing the fishing. I was on cutting edge outdoors. I did all of McGivern shows. I did the show where every week I worried that the one football coach we had on was going to pass during the show.

Right. I mean, I did, I did all this shit. So I don't want to hear that I was ever the bad guy. I busted my ass more.

I moved to Creston, Iowa. I was sleeping in the fucking, my car just to work the board for Admiral games to cut Harry's owner, check highlights, trying to run the board for that shit. It's in the red. It's in the red.

It's in the green, big home playoff game. I think I'm one injury away from Sean Clifford taking a snap for my favorite football team. So you know what? I know what you did. He did that against me. He's like, here's the dude that's been tearing into me. So he probably went advanced Twitter search, saw that exact tweet and said, I'm going to fuck this guy's life up.

My wife's bringing me some chick delay. I'm going to fuck this guy's life up by drafting Sean Clifford. Sean Clifford is the, I'm going to say this right now. I think the Packers have had people that have like murdered people, right?

Didn't one guy like kill a bunch of people? This is the worst pick in team history. Sean Clifford, the guaro, this makes the guaro look like, like, like they got Justin Jefferson. Can I talk to you for 10 more minutes or is this like when they brought us Wendy's and we just went to break right away so we could scarf food down.

We'd just be like, Oh, and here's an interview we did two weeks ago that we're going to run his live. No, I got 10 more minutes. All right. We got a kicker, which is fine, but I guess this guy, I saw his stats. He like misses everything.

Yeah. He's the brother. I think of Dan Carlson, which like right now you could tell me he's a Viking. You could tell me he's a Seahawk and I'd be like, okay, that makes sense.

Guy kicks for a new team every year. Here's the one where I know my wife will have major beef with this. I think Mason's probably gone, but does that mean there's no way Mason's back? Yeah. But that see, this is why I don't, I mean, this is everything Rogers said. I hate, you can hate Rogers all you want. And I know you guys just love kicking our old guys to the curb, but I'm a Randall Cobb guy. I'm a Mercedes Lewis guy, Aaron Rogers guy, Clay Matthews guy. I, uh, man, this is such a fucking young team.

Don't you want like, I guess not. I mean, he's expensive for a kicker, but it's going to be a weird year. This is a completely new weird is looking at the wide receiver depth chart where, uh, the most tenured guys are the three that we drafted last year. Sparky's like losing his mind though, over like Mason. He's like, and then he like Sparky wanted like Cobb back and Mercedes Lewis back. And here's where I just did. Mason sucks. Like let's just rip the bandaid off.

Right. He kicked his longest field goal in his fucking life. I was there that field goal. He kicked against the lions. Week 18. Like it looked like he was kicking. No, I was there against the Vikings. He hit like a 58 yarder.

Didn't he? What, here's the thing. What games are going to come down to a fucking kicker? I honestly don't care.

Oh, actually let me tell you my, one of my favorite. I think we're going to win the north plus four 10. Fuck that shit. I mean, I don't, but I think that it's an insane price.

I would probably play it. The, the fucking lions are the favorites. For some reason, they jumped in a time machine and thought in the draft they were in 1995. They took a running back inside linebacker.

The Vikings are shit. Oh, I like the bears than when the NFC north for like a value pick. I'm a Justin Fields guy though.

Me too. But I think they're one more year. They need, who would you rather think the bears will be good? Would you rather have Justin Fields or Jordan love?

And don't just say this to troll me. Rogers has gone. Who would you rather have? Oh, fields. What'd you though?

I'm excited. Love first. I really think people are going to come to my opinion that love is better. Love is good because Rogers played Rogers did not. He knew love was going to be good. So he made sure he played with a four and eight record in an injured film.

I think gloves going to be good because I always like, here's the thing. Like he, if love played right away, I think he would have been a bust. But that's the same thing with Rogers.

I don't, I just, I just came into the league throwing. Yeah. He had that.

Well yeah. McCarthy fucking say, dude, say what you want. McCarthy's the reason Aaron Rogers, when he retires, that should be the first person that he thinks should be Mike McCarthy. Remember he went to the McCarthy quarterback school every day, but that's the thing. So like as great, as great as my homes and some of these guys are like when homes came into the league, Andy Reed and even that bum Matt Nagy, they didn't have time to spend just with my homes. Maybe Nagy was that guy, but they had just my homes had his own coach. It's like, okay, so here's the Alex Smith offense.

Here's like what we want you to do and what you to work on. And the Packers didn't really do that with Jordan law, but where he had the, like where he had the benefit was learning behind Aaron Rogers, who is a fucking genius on the field. Like Rogers may come up short in the big moments, just like Peyton would, they might not be Tom Brady, but their preparation, the way that they throw the football, the way that they plan game plan. I mean, I don't think he could have learned behind anybody better. And so, you know, he's going to learn some of that shit. He'll learn how to draw defense offsides. He's going to learn a lot of the Roger stuff. We're going to see him do stuff like, Oh, where have you seen this before? You know, like you said, Rogers knows Jordan loves good.

He does nothing about, but rave about, he's never had anything bad to say about it. Why do we think the Packers will suck? Why are the Packers going to suck?

Because I think you guys are all wrong. I know Rogers missed throws last year, but he also had some fucking dots, some fucking dimes and nobody can hang on to them. And that wasn't the reason that they sucked last year either. I think the reason that I think the offensive line is regressed a little bit back. The Ari's never, never healthy. Elton Jenkins will be another year healthier, but like all we did all off season was talk about why we were going to win the super bowl, even when Devontae left, because we were going to have this top five, top 10 defense.

And we were off, man. And we could say it was injuries and we could blame Joe Berry and Joe Berry does suck, but like Joe Berry didn't miss 20 tackles before week eight, that was Devontae Campbell. He wasn't the guy like grabbing and hacking and like he's Rasul Douglas is who he is. You know, Jair, we all love Jair, but after that shoulder injury, I don't know. He just doesn't look like the same player.

I hope Stokes, I don't know who the safeties are. Is it Savage? He blows Rudy Ford. Like these guys, you know, I don't know, man.

So, and I think it's going to be, there's going to be a learning curve. Like Rogers didn't go to Rogers. The Packers won six games and Rogers threw 28 touchdown passes, 10 picks and over 4,000 yards his first year, they lost those games because the defense blew. And because even if he throws 28 touchdown passes, 12 picks, I still think he'll make some boneheaded decisions in the fourth quarter. He's a young quarterback unless like, and the other thing is like, what's Aaron Jones. He's going to be another year older.

Please stop fumbling the ball in big games. I don't know what AJ Dylan is. That's why I was going to say, you know what pick? I really like, you might laugh at this pick two 35 Lou Nichols, the third out of central Michigan.

I watched a bunch of them. I was going to bring that up too. He's a f*****g bowling ball dude. He's five, 10, 220 automatic play on draft Kings. Yes.

And so that's what I'm saying. He might be AJ Dylan. The knock on him is he doesn't catch balls out of the backfield. Kind of like AJ Dylan, but I think AJ Dylan's a better pass catcher. They just don't throw the ball to running backs at Boston college, but I like him and maybe he's your power back. But that, that, I don't, that's why I think there, I just think it's going to be a rebuilding year and I don't think the defense is going to be any better if they would have brought somebody in that gave me any confidence. Joe Berry gives me no confidence. I don't know.

I don't know. Like Leflore reminds me of just like, he's like the cuck of, I always talk about this of his friends. Like anytime you play Shanahan in a big spot, he gets shoved in the locker Salah last year with a young shitty jets team beats the s**t out of them. And then he's like talking in the press conference about how they are soft and they're like, you know, body blows, body blows, and then bring them under water and drowned them. I'm like, I want this guy or I want Shanahan before he's the guy that's sending out the kicking unit.

And he's the guy where here's the thing I hate most about Leflore. If they played in a poker game, all these guys, he'd be out in five hands. I don't think he knows who he is. And I think that's going to show without Aaron Rogers. Right? Because Rogers is, is the guy where like, we don't even know what the floor's offense is because when Rogers was winning MVPs, we think he's changing plays at the line of scrimmage. What worries me about the floor is I think he's very unsure of himself.

And I say this just because every press conference, it's the same f**king press conference on repeat. I need, I'm sorry. I didn't know. I didn't need to do better.

I didn't know there. It's Aaron Jones had six carries yet. He was, I screwed up on me.

I got to do a better job. And then he looks like he's going to cry. But Matt, like, why is this the same story every year? So I think that we're going to, I don't know how good the floor is. I don't know how good Jordan love is. I think he's better than I thought he was at Utah state. I don't know how good anybody on the defensive side of the ball is other than Rashawn Gary. And when the f**ks he playing football again, I can't even say Jair is the best corner in the league.

Like I was three years ago. I wanted to like, get all excited about him shutting down Justin Jefferson, but then he watched the week one matchup where he wasn't having as much help up top with the safeties. And I don't even know who the safeties are. So I just think too many question marks, but the good thing they have going for them is I can't get any worse than it was last year. And the NFC sucks. Other than the Eagles, I think the Cowboys should probably be all right. I don't know who's any good. Oh, and the Niners, but they could start you and I, I got three little things.

I want to get out before you can go eat your delicious food. Yeah. And you can also watch me and Horvat on the Dan Cheney insurance stream. Oh s**t. Really? Yeah.

Dan, Dan sponsors all my streams. He's listened to us for a long time and he's an insurance agent. Yeah.

He's like, you're a dummy. Yeah. He's kind of doing his own thing. Like I am doing. And like, I think you deep down want to do that's what he's doing.

Yeah. Just gambling on the beach all day. I'm always an insurance agent. That's what I want to do. I don't want to do, he's doing his own thing. I'm doing my own thing. Oh, you're saying that I just want to do my own thing without trying to get me in trouble.

Oh, I tell everybody I want to do my own thing. I don't, I don't sugar coat that. All right. Uh, the Seahawks drafting JSN. Yeah. That with Lockett and Metcalf that I think, and Kenneth Walker in the backfield, they might be good.

They might be good. Yeah. I thought you were going to say you hate it. I love it because I did that because I thought the Seahawks needed to take a quarterback. I said, Gina is going to be here a couple of years, whatever. Um, I did not see them taking a receiver. And now that they did, it's like, you know, when you have two really good ones and then you have three really good ones, they go s**t. Uh, they could. Yeah. Yeah. Like everybody's like expecting this huge regression from Gino.

Right. But I don't understand why because Gino never rightfully lost his job. He got punched in the face. He broke his jaw and then he lost his starting gig. What about the people that wrote him off though?

Well, they wrote him up, but he didn't write back. He didn't hashtag people forget. I love Gino. And so here's what I like about it.

Right. Is Kenneth Walker is awesome. Uh, even because I, and I didn't love the offensive line, but he's really good.

Obviously. I love the skill position players. And we went into last season, like what the f**k are the Seahawks doing?

Because we were all excited. Like maybe we could get DK Metcalf because they're going to move them because it's going to be rebuilt and nap. And Gino goes to the pro bowl and they go to the playoffs. And what I like is everybody thought that, okay, so Gino is going to regress. He's clearly not the answer. They're going to take Anthony Richardson or will love us.

And they didn't do that. And I liked that because dude, like Pete Carroll is old, but I think he's rejuvenated because I don't hate Pete Carroll anymore because I thought I did. I always hated Russell Wilson. As you know, everybody was in love with Russell Wilson because he played.

I do. I do dislike Pete less now that Russ is gone because we get it. Russ is a f**king freak. He's a weirdo.

All those church people, those they're all weirdos that think that they're better than you. Oh, God wanted me to win this game. So God wanted me, Aaron Rogers and clay Matthews and the rest of my family to be miserable.

That fine Sunday that we're in the Dell's watching the NFC championship game and you know, anytime that game comes on, I have to turn it off or have a stiff drink. All because God wanted Russell Wilson to win. He's a freak. His teammates hate him. He makes nicknames. You could always tell, you know, the worst people on this planet are people that give themselves nicknames and we should never accept that. My cousin, he has a buddy and like he gave himself the nickname, the kid, and it just stuck. You should never be able to give yourself a nickname. Like your nickname should be like dickweed or dildo or something like that.

Something that your friends, something that you inherit. You can't, you can't name himself the kid. Yeah.

And Russell Wilson. That's what he did with Mr. A new guy that started calling himself the big unit. Oh yeah. The poker run guy from the lakeside to the riverside. You know, this is going to borderline on obsession because this is the Tuesday episode.

Wednesday I'm talking with Evan Heffelfinger about stuff and I actually taped that before I taped this one. Yeah. And uh, we rip on that one too. That was, yeah. All right.

The second thing, what? No, no, no, no, no. What I was going to say really quick is I'm glad that they didn't take a quarterback because Pete's getting old. He's rejuvenated because he got rid of that freak. Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson gave himself the nickname, Mr. Unlimited.

There's no fucking chance that anybody else, including Sierra ever called him Mr. Unlimited. And uh, so now he's rejuvenated. The offense is going to put up 30 points per game. They fixed up the defense because that's the thing that they wanted to do. They want to go back to that Legion of boom style defense.

Now they have two solid corners. You know, they're going to get a better pass rush and the NFC is wide open. So I liked that they did that for Pete. I hate Pete a lot less than I did when he was at USC and a lot earlier at Seattle because he's actually kind of fun now and fuck Russell Wilson. So yeah, I'm happy with what the Seahawks did. I'm a little jealous with what the Seahawks did. I hope that that's the way that we rebuilt. Uh, the second thing was if Jordan love is a hall of Famer, Oh God, then why would any team ever draft a guy and not have them sit for three years?

I mean, you would ha I mean if you're going to, if that, if that happens, that's all the proof I need. Roger said, yeah, but like Rogers learned from Farb and you could say like Farb didn't even know how to learn an NFL defense. Just bring in some dumb idiot to learn from love. You know why Rogers was so great because he learned what the fuck not to do on and off the field from Brett. And you know why Jordan love has a possibility or has a chance to be good, I should say is because he'll learn everything that Rogers did. And Rogers was a perfectionist fucking, you know, Bryce young or a CJ Stroud. Like you're not going to learn anything sitting behind a, like, let's be honest, like some of these guys, Andrew Luck was, Andrew Luck took the Colts to the playoffs year one, right?

RG three as a rookie was so awesome. Some of these guys are just ready, dude. Jordan love was a project.

Why should I look around? The third thing is since I got, I got to imagine that if JJ watt ever looks at his mentions, it's just a bunch of people tweeting at me every time he tweets. Yeah, sorry. I had to, I don't like, so he, what is it?

He bought into one of these soccer clubs. Here's my takeaway. All right. Write this down.

Take a picture. I don't give a fuck. JJ watt will be back in the league by week eight.

Yep. He'll be back. He's going to be one of those fuckers and we won't be able to rip it because Brady did it.

And because everybody, all these meat sticks have the biggest heart. So maybe, cause what I was going to say is why is JJ watt acting like he's the one guy that's ever retired, right? Well, Brady's kind of doing the same shit. Let me tell you about an awful family. Brady bought his fucking cat. Like your family.

They moved away from you, dude. Brady. He's like, Oh, I can't. He was like, I can't come back.

I just, I bought my daughter a cat. You know how much work that is? It's like, fuck off, Tom. You know, it's like when I was a breakfast waiter, you were a breakfast waiter. Let's say, hold on. What's the difference between being a breakfast waiter and just being a fucking waiter? Like you only work lunch hotel. Wait a minute.

Where? When I left TV, I came back to Fond du Lac. I was unemployed. And before I worked at charter, I, I was a waiter for a year. I always knew I would go onto something else. And I was with like career waitresses, you know, that's all that they know how to do. And I think society looks at way later and waitresses as a demeaning job. Like you're serving you. So I never like, I never wanted to be like, you know, like these shows are like rich kids go somewhere and they're like, Oh, we'll do this for a day. I'll milk a cow, you know, like the show with Paris Hilton and the other bitch.

Yeah. There are people that work their ass off for 40 years on a farm just for that day. The retirement comes and they are tired and downtrodden and they worked hard to get there. And, and JJ watches like, so this is retirement up. I go golfing.

I follow the same trip. I'm retiring from retiring. Fuck this guy, man. Fuck him.

Yeah. I mean, I agree, but like 80% of Wisconsin and just the universe doesn't, they love this guy. I just think this guy, I think what happens bigger than the rock, he's going to come back. He's going to be in movies. He's going to host Saturday night live so much.

We're going to think he's in the cast. He will be the president one day. He will be the first man to land on Mars. He will be the one we send to talk to the aliens for the best first impression. He will be everywhere, everywhere. Probably he is. He is what we're going to see. Have you ever seen JJ watt? Like wear sleeves.

I'm trying to think of one time force me. So now he's by cutting the journalism business. Journalism's not dying because of our phones.

It's dying because of assholes like JJ watt. I think he's just bored, man. I think he's bored.

I think he was like, Oh, this is the, this is the life. Right. Because like his wife, she's a soccer player and they got the daughter, the baby. Right. And he's probably like, or the son, they got a son.

I should know these things kids going to be a unit. He's probably like the family life, you know, but I think come week eight, week nine, somebody goes down for the Steelers and he goes and he plays that that's my hot take. JJ watt. We have not seen the last of JJ watt.

I agree with everything you said. We'll see way too much of them post NFL career. That motherfucker is going to be back in the uniform.

I can tell, I can tell he's on social media way too much. He's bored out of his mind. He's going to watch week two. He's going to see guys like Vaness. JJ watt. JJ watt is going to watch the red zone week one and have a tweet about, no, it's going to be like, why did I ever play? This is awesome.

I hate this fucking guy. I'll tell you what happens. Cause I got buddies that do this, right? Like we would go to their house, man. I'm not going to like throw them under the bus, but like they would like, by the end of the day, have like their fucking shirts off.

And then it would be like, they would have their pads on, like reliving the glory days and the dad would pop in the high school tape. What's going to happen is JJ Watts wife, who seems like a great girl. She's going to be like, fuck this guy.

Come week three, four. She's not going to want to divorce them. Cause he's a good dude, but she's going to be like, I can't spend all this time with this guy.

Like Giselle wanted to spend time with Brady cause Brady's cool. JJ Watts not, we got an up close and look personal view of this man. Remember hard knocks when he was 1% luck, he was like doing all that nonsense while lifting weights. It's going to be weak too. Like you said, red zone is going to be on. He's going to have his helmet on the fucking shoulder pads, skin running into the wall, fucking turn it on.

Forgot I didn't have to play. He's going to ruin football for me. He's going to retire more times than the fucking undertaker, dude. Like Ric flair.

He may die on that field. All right. I got to go. I got, Hey, thank you so much. You're welcome.

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