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Good. Good morning, everybody. A man who has heard that one too many times, Toby Altizer, is with us today. Yeah, too many times. Not just one.
And then Paul Immig for this week's. How you doing, Paul? Grant is fishing. And I'm so glad to. See Toby Altizer, who Toby?
I could have told you this when we weren't recording, but I'll tell you when we are recording. You did that thing with Bart a couple weeks or a week ago. What do you not know? Is there anything in sports that someone could ask you? Because it just seems like if someone's like, hey, so like this random thing, you could do a solid.
inf you know informative entertaining two three minutes on anything is that true or what would be your blind spot i have to ask you Lacrosse. I don't know professional lacrosse. I can't give you tactics in hockey. I don't know players outside of the Capitals a whole lot. I know the stars.
Not the Dallas Stars, that is, but just the. In our general stars of the sport, uh, outside of that, that pretty much can cover a lot of things, so I would say I remember when you were at the fan. And I think you gotta, or maybe you're just relieving, but you gotta call due something and I wanna say Atlanta on like. Five minutes notice or something really short. Bart, do you remember this?
Toby, you remember this?
South Carolina? Yeah, South Carolina. Yeah, they were Yeah. And it was just like, yeah, like just jump in and just start talking about what's going on in the area. You could have fooled anybody.
Anyway, well, that's what one thing that has helped me to make this about me. Yeah, you should, why wouldn't you? Please do. is that in doing these national shows like Everything, I watch all this college football for years. I watch every NFL game.
I'm so invested in the NBA and MLB. That like doing these national shows is like thank god finally now i have a way to Release that information. You know It's like, cause I got, I got, it like justifies, because I'll be watching Clemson. you know, Florida State one night. And my wife's like.
Is this come as a work? And like I don't know. I want to watch it, so maybe. And then, like, three years later, it's like, oh, yeah, that game between those two.
Well, it might count as work pretty soon because who knows what's going to happen with the ACC. Maybe one of those teams joins the Big Ten. Yeah, that shit's pissing me off. Speaking of blind spots, college football, me. I.
I get to know the drafted players. I really I study them once they're like draft eligible, but I don't know how you I wish I liked it. I wish I liked college football. I just so great. The games take so damn long.
Oh, my gosh.
So yeah, baseball's too long. but college football, which is longer, is Well, football games are going to be like twice the length of baseball games. For sure. And nobody, but nobody cares. Even in college.
I would go to badges football games. And you know, you'd be at like. The three-hour and 45-minute mark of the game, and you'd be like midway through the fourth. And I was, even as like a 19-year-old, I'd be like, It's just too long. Wow.
And I mean, four years later, I was an NFL reporter. Like, I loved football. I love football, but I was like, this is, I can't do this. Maybe you got to play some daily fantasies. That'll help.
It would. I mean, definitely. I mean, in all sincerity. I'm going to know a lot more about the New York Jets and the Cleveland Browns because I'm going to be starting their third-string running back. In the Hall of Fame game.
I will say, once I start once we started doing the Dynasty League a couple of years ago, the first of the two that were in together, Bart. I mean, it just helps. It just changes the way. Yeah. Absorb who players are and depth sharps and it it is helpful like i mean i i Yeah, I like it.
I do want to mention. On the Dan Shaney YouTube stream. I'm wearing my four golf. Quarter zip. Oh, yeah.
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I thought we would naturally start Packers, but we can start. I have no, I just want to start Packers, but I just want to. No, we'll get into it. What a tremendous. What a tremendous series win that was for the NASA.
Bart, at this point in the season with the Nationals, I don't even know if I care about any wins or losses. It's about growing the young guys.
So. I mean, it sucks for the Brew crew that they lost two or three to the Nationals, but I don't I'm not like thrilled today that they beat. The brewers on the series.
Well, when you look at the lineup, everyone's like, oh, it's a double-A team. There's a lot of good talent there. Paul, this is your perfect kind of dynasty team here. Yeah. And then they got some kid from Wisconsin, apparently.
I never knew he was from Wisconsin or heard of him, but scored. Who? Uh, Alex Call. Alex Call, yeah. He's a oh, really?
Where did he go? He's a Wisconsinite. I can't remember. I think it's I think he grew up somewhere closer to Minnesota. He grew up in Burnsville, Minnesota.
That's where he was born.
Okay. He went to River Falls. Where's that? North. Grant in in the Grant Bill's world?
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Up north. Is it is it technically up north?
Is it north of Highway Eight or whatever the hell you guys talked about that one time? I don't think it is.
Okay. You can take Alex Call if you'd like, because I feel like there's a perfect. marketing campaign with Alex Call if he were with the Brewers. Pretty easy one. I'll just leave that to your imagination.
I got it. I'm with you.
So you can take on Guber. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Gruber is one of the reads.
That I do when I go to Ford Madison. It's like an hour of me doing reads. As you enter the stadium, I'm doing reads. It's like. Don's home furniture voted best in Madison Furniture seven years in a row.
And then like Have you ever wanted to pay less for your mattress? Try Verlow mattress, you know.
So I do that for an hour. And one of them is Gruber. And the guy 'Cause in the press box and the mics off, I'll always be like, One call that He's like Do that over the speaker, and I just can't. Why? Because I do.
Maintain maybe the highest level of professionalism that I know how to be when I am in that.
So you're pretty close to doing it, is what I'm hearing. I would like to do it, but I just can't. The other guy that you could take from a DC area team that would be easy marketing, Cameron Cheeseman, long snapper for the Commanders. Pretty easy jersey sell there for the Packers. Yeah.
All right, let's do the show. It's like, who was the guy in the Packers? De Beer? Do you remember De Beer? Gerald de Beer.
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Um all right.
So Bart. I was listening to your. Segment with Paul Brettel, who hopefully has picked up his winkler bump of two to three, maybe four YouTube subscribers. I don't know if you've done a Account? I haven't gone in check.
No, it's still early, technically speaking, from when that aired.
So maybe it. Maybe the Winkler bum. Toby, have you followed it? I have not. No, it looks like he's lost subscribers.
What the hell do I do to this guy? His is all of his metrics are way down since joining. Oops.
Sorry, Paul. Not me, the other ball. Yeah. Um But he said something that For the first time, and I mean this very sincerely, for the first time. You were asking about like how good or not good, the Packers are like, what was his read on the team?
Great. And for the first time, I know what it was. I remember exactly what it was. He was talking about. How Mike, how Shanahan took, you know, Garoppolo and Purdy and like took these.
Yeah. At below average. quarterbacks to the Super Bowl or the NFT championship game. And I at no point have been even remotely. Considered in all seriousness, like the Packers being a Making some surprise run to the Super Bowl or to the NFC Championship game.
But this kind of got me thinking that, like, at least, like, you know, not like, oh, they're a Super Bowl contender, but like, of like, Hmm, like they are actually, you know, you know, I know you think that Dario made this survey up, but that the Packers are the fourth best. Roster in the NFL if you don't include quarterbacks. And then, Bart, you've been saying a lot of things like, what if Jordan Love just actually comes out in week one and has three or four touchdowns and like looks like what, what, what then? No one would be, you know, from a narrative perspective, prepared for that.
So, anyway, I'm not. Going to sit here and say, yeah, the Packers are a Super Bowl contender. But I've at least now, for the first time, entertained the notion.
So I ask you this. The Packers make it to the Super Bowl. They play the Jets. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here.
This would be like... Yeah. Get out. Though it's a great scenario, Packers in the Super Bowl. This is like the worst case scenario for the season.
It would drive you absolutely, perhaps certifiably insane. Uh Mm-hmm. A good Viewing fan experience for you. Packers have this miraculous season. And now they have to do two weeks of Rogerson.
Anyway. This is where my head went when I was listening to you and Paul. I don't want to like say something and then have it. But if if it's the weekend of the championship games. And like the Jets won first.
Mm-hmm. I might like root for the Packers to lose. That is exactly where I thought you might go. I mean, I might I We don't don't don't be a Mars a bad fan. I don't know.
That would be the Packers Jets Super Bowl would be. The dumbest thing that could ever happen. Um And it would be two weeks of... Relitigating everything. that had ever happened.
So take all the Rogers stories. Yep. From the last 16 years. And at least we had the, like, we could breathe. before we got to the new one.
It would be everything in two weeks crammed in, all the remember thises and the remember whens. News stories would come out. He'd say something. It'd get blown up. It would be Brett Favre would chime in.
Undoubtedly. Another guy that played for both teams, we would probably hear from Packers legend, Ken O'Brien. Sure. Kenny OB. Good good chair, man.
Um it would be awful. And so that would be one of the things where the The joy of winning. I don't know if it would make up for the fear of losing. Yeah, you've always been a fear of losing guy. Like, that's why I remember the losing.
I don't like worrying, worrying, worrying in general is a waste of time because. If something happens, it's going to be awful. But you've already experienced it.
So it's like happening to you twice because you've already worried about it. And if you don't worry about it, then it doesn't happen. I always say like, I don't, I can't live in a world. I can't live in a world where these giants beat the Patriots. I was like.
When they were 17 and all, or whatever. Yeah. That sucked. It would suck. What's your question?
This would suck. Why are you doing this to me? This is where my head went of like, oh my gosh, maybe.
Well, I mean, the Jets are going to have a lot of coverage, right? Hard Knocks and Rodgers makes Sean Payton's stories into Aaron Rodgers' stories and. Like Rogers restructures his contract. He's talking about playing multiple years. It's um What so it was what Rogers' third season as starter that the Packers went to the Super Bowl?
Maybe like Very optimistically, let's say that one of the first three years as it started, Jordan Love does the same thing, and Rogers is still in New York. I know we're going to talk about this in a little bit. I do think Rogers will be good with the Jets. I think the Jets will be good. Um as a team So, I just wanted to explore this idea of: would you rather just the Packers have a.
you know I'd rather they won the Super Bowl. Right, but like I remember it was that Toby, you might have been producing at the time where Barney was like leading into. Packers Vikings. There was a possibility it could have been Packers Vikings. There was some kind of something, and you wanted.
It was something like you wanted the Vikings to lose more than you wanted the Packers to win. I know you kind of always have that type of perspective. And so I just thought, like, literally. Though there's this tremendous outcome of like the Packers reaching the Super Bowl, my first thought just went to. Yeah, but what if it was against the Jets?
And how horrible would Bart's two weeks of life be? Here's what I want. Here's what I want. Okay. If the Super Bowl matchup is Packers-Jets.
I would like. To be put into a coma. The minute that that happens.
So I missed the two weeks. If the Packers win. Wake me up. And please have DVR'd the game so I can watch it, but wake me up. And if the Jets win.
Keep me there. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that would be the worst two weeks. In Wisconsin. I wouldn't, I'd be so thankful I'm not there.
But at the same point. If the Packers were to win It would justify Everything.
So, you know, it'd almost be like you could look back and be like, well, it sucked at the time, but it was worth it. I mean Chances are, not going to happen, but if it did, it'd be awful two weeks, and it would be even worse if the Packers didn't win. Toby, how are you? You know, as a DC guy who became a Wisconsin guy for a while, how are you? Viewing, how are you processing your fandom as it relates to the Rodgers, the Jets, the Hard Knocks, all the stuff that goes on?
Are you? Rooting for Rogers. What is your we're at least? We are doing a hard knocks post-game show, at least the first one. Oh, I love it.
Yeah. So how how are you rooting or not rooting the situation, Toby? I'm a Rodgers guy, so I like Rodgers.
So I'll be cheering for him. I've always enjoyed how he plays the game of football. And I'll be cheering for the Packers as well. I mean, I want both of those teams to do well, and I think both teams will do well. Like you were saying, I think some people are acting as if Brett or sorry, Brett Favre, almost called Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre.
Jesus, you know, it almost seems like some people think that Aaron Rodgers is completely gone. That's not the case. He was playing a lot of last year injured on his throwing hand with a thumb.
So, I mean, how much can you take of it? And, you know, we've spent plenty of time on that narrative, but he's got playmakers out there in New York. But at the same point, I think that Jordan Love has had enough time to develop, and I think he's going to be a good. quarterback for the Packers, it might be a little bit turbulent early, but I mean, there's no reason to think that if he can't improve as the season goes on, that they can't be a playoff team.
So I'm rooting for both teams. I hope that they both do well, and I love watching Aaron Rodgers. It's just it's going to be tough to do anything in that loaded AFC. Here's something that I think people need to watch because there's not. Like, there's not a real incentive rooting for or rooting against, other than if the Packers like.
Like if the Jets are bad, the Packers get better picks. If Rodgers plays. Right. Well, still, what is it, a second other way? Yeah, it'd be a second.
Yeah, either way. Yeah, either way. You're right. Um, so you want Rogers to hit the 65%, you want him to do bad so that the picks are better. The Packers Are not scheduled to play the Jets.
Until the Super Bowl. Until the Super Bowl. Yes but But next year. On the Packers schedule, they do play. They play the What division?
They play the AFC South in 2024, okay? They also play one team from the AFC East to be determined.
Well, that's not to be determined. We know who that is. Why? It's going to be the Jets.
Well, it'll be by schedule. Yeah, well isn't it based on like the Fourth place NFC North team plays the fourth place. They'll find some way to make it the Jets. Yeah, they'll change the rule. The scheduling thing that we just Packers should play the Jets.
Would there be a more highly rated Game possible. Like take any combination of matchups. Then Rogers and the Jets at Lambeau on a 2023 or four? Because we saw that with Brady and the Patriots. Which was You got a Dell songs made about it.
You got promotions out the wazoo. Yeah. I just think it'll be even, you know, forget 2024 regular season. I think it'll be cool when it's Packers, Jets. February 10th, 2024 in the Super Bowl.
Well, I'll tell you what will be cool is when you get ready for that Super Bowl, when you start grilling out with Omaha steaks. Oh, you're completely. There you are. Your green screen. That's much better.
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On August 23rd. Um toy you won't be in town. Paul, do you wanna go? You want a ticket? Twenty-thirds of the mm-hmm.
You have muted yourself. That's just so people didn't have to hear me eat leftover Lazagna. Um,. What is the date again? The Wednesday the 23rd.
Okay, let me take a gander.
Now, I by the time this episode posts. I would hope that the link is live. The brewers are creating a link. to buy the tickets. In the bleachers.
102, 103, right field side. And why is there not a rented suite? Yeah, seriously. Maybe next year once this podcast grows. If you want a rented suite next year.
You need to share all your With the share this with all your friends and tell them about next Friday night. When not only will I be doing the Zach Gelb show, On the 11th. But I will then do a Packers. Preseason postgame show. On Friday night at 9.
Oh, cool. Yeah. I am debating. I think I am going to reserve. I think Uh in the euchre lot, I can like.
Get there an hour early to set up and reserve. Four extra chair spots. Hmm. For 110 bucks. I think I'm going to do that.
Cool. I also heard that you are you took me up on my advice of a Saturday noon preseason game with the young'un. Yes, I'm going to do that. I don't have the tickets yet, but I will get them. Yeah.
It's great. I mean, it's it's the perfect time to introduce them to uh I would much rather do that than Family Night. Yeah, totally. You don't want to watch. Jordan Love throwing the ball into a net.
Come on. That's the Green Bay training camp tradition. And really, like a preseason game is not that much more than the $10. That family night is. Like, you can.
You can find a pretty good ticket for not much beyond. Oh, I also think that I may be doing something this Saturday. This is. This should not be for public announcement, but I may be taking my son to Chuck E. Cheese.
Where is there one still? There's one uh like first like Chase Avenue There's like a little tucked-in area in near Bayview with like a Target and a Home Depot and a Wendy's, and there's a little Chuck E. Cheese like tucked away. See, I have such fond memories of Chuck E. Cheese.
I don't want to go in there and have it be like this total dive. Yeah. Which I think it My Be? I don't know. I'll be very curious if you.
I'll have a full report on Monday's episode. I'm totally serious. And then afterwards, if only you could take him to like Toys R Us, then my childhood would be complete. Yes, toys are us. KB toys.
What's that one? Oh, KB Toys was in the Forest Mall right next to Aladdin's Castle. No, I had Aladdin's Castle in Sheboygan. Yeah. I think I still have an Aladdin's Castle coin.
My favorite part of growing up was... You know, Christmas time, and my mom would hand me the catalogs of those various places. And I would look through it and be like, But, mom, I want a Clinton Portis jersey. Toby, weren't malls dead by the time that you were a kid? Uh, to an extent, to an extent, you didn't, you didn't have the same challenge.
But no, I looked through, I mean, to an extent, I looked through like catalogs, I looked through some catalogs for like Toys Are Us growing up and. And be like, I don't want any of this. Get me another football. You guys want to say the biggest waste of money? Uh oh.
That I have. Are we going to ask Toby a question? No, go for it. Biggest waste of money. My senior class ring.
Oh, I definitely did not do that. Yeah, me either. It says Bart with a soccer ball. Cardinal red. Um What does it say on it?
School It's I can't even read it. Oh, it says Goodrich High School, which is interesting since I didn't graduate from Goodrich High School. Goodrich was torn down my senior year, so I went to Goodrich.
sophomore and junior year and then Fondi high. Senior year. Really? Yep, 2002 with a Cardinal, and I believe my signature is engraved. In it.
So I will be. Wearing this with pride. Yes. As you should. No, as you should not.
It does not even fit anymore. Maybe I'll use this as a giveaway. Yeah. The first person that orders uh Shirt from 4 Golf Apparel. No wait.
Can I have my class ring?
Okay. Wait, how about this? The person who organizes and at least pays for the majority of a brewer's suite As opposed to slumming it in the bleachers. Who's the. I always listen to all the voices on your podcast, Bar.
Who's the. Is that Matt or is that Jake who will not sit in the bleachers? I think Jake didn't want to. Is that Jake? You can also get this newspaper cut out.
When I rallied at the state capitol, there I am in the middle. against smoking. Yeah. Pond du Lac students rally at Capitol against tobacco. Like, what about tobacco?
Like, like, in view of it. This was a part of it, it was called Moving Targets. This was a thing, and it's prop comedy.
So, Dan Shaney YouTube stream, maybe for this portion of the show, but we would take stickers. This was when. Toby, before you were alive. Magazines used to have cigarette advertisements in them. We would put stickers, we would go through the different doctor offices in Fonda Lac and put stickers on them saying, don't smoke.
And then we tried to get it banned from restaurants.
Well done. I'm with you on the banning it from restaurants. That's good work for sure. Mm-hmm. I believe I was quoted in this, uh but it does not appear so.
Oh, here it is. Here it is. Uh I'm a big fucking nerd. I can't wait to buy my class ring for three hundred dollars, said Winkler. Yeah.
It sounds right. Mm-hmm. Um Shall I continue? I'll also throw in the name tag from when I worked at Cops Foods. Mm.
All right, enough of that. I'm like in my basement sitting by my. Momentum. How many. Like what would a caller what would a listener have to do?
to get your air check calls from when you were a uh Cable. Oh, if I had them, you don't think I would have played those by now? I would have played those. Yeah. All right, uh, Omaha Steaks promo code BERT.
There you go. Pretty good segue a few minutes ago, but I Bart, you and I have been disagreeing far too much on this podcast recently.
So I just want to ask one that we agree on, and then I want to hear Toby's perspective. I'm fine missing out on a first-round pick if it means absolute disaster for Rodgers and the Jets. Yes, I know that the future of the Packers is better served. Um, you know, the better the pick is.
So 65%, you know, but there would be like, I have to look at it as this. I am. A Packers fan. And so I want what's best for the Packers. But what I'm a fan of even more is me.
And so I want what's best for me. And what's that for me is the Jets to fail. Just in an epic way, where Rogers looks terrible. Where he says a bunch of stuff that Reflects on all the things I've been saying about him.
So I'm a Packers fan. Don't get me wrong. I'm a Packers owner. But I'm also an owner of me. I'm me.
So I root for me. Yeah, I mean I Personally, I've never hated a player like Packers fans hate.
Well, I take that back. I take that back. I have hated players, but they're not good players. Like, I hate players. Yeah, like this guy won us the Super Bowl and the four-time MVP and We hate them.
Like, I hated Albert Hainsworth, but he sucked.
So, like, who cares? You know, and he took all the teams. Salary cap space for all those years, and he was terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I feel like if you hated Joe Theisman, you were like.
Well you shouldn't have got your leg cracked open you fucking idiot. I I have stories we could share, but I'm not going to share them on here. Do it. I don't, I don't listening. I don't hate Joe Thisman, but I, you know, we have him on the show every now and then, and I don't want that to end because I'm, you know.
Blabbering on on the Martin Lee Show podcast. I thought he was part of the best. NFL booth ever between him. uh mike patrick and Paul McGuire. Sunday Night Football 90s.
I didn't get to experience that. I feel like that should make us ask about the uh new NBA lead broadcasting team. If you want, but um I think Bart and I disagree on that, so I'm sick of disagreeing with Bart. No, do that. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
The NBA improved their finals broadcasting. Or the NBA improved their finals broadcasting team by replacing Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson with Doris Burke and Doc Rivers. No, women shouldn't be allowed to. Yeah. What?
Where'd you think I was going that with that?
Okay. Okay. Am I going to have to hop off this podcast? We use men's restrooms.
Okay. That's what I was going to say. They have their own. Yeah. Uh Doris Burke.
Tim, cut that in post, Tim. Doris Burke isn't even that good. It's a plan. I don't get the appeal of Doris Burke. You don't like when she says she's taking it.
You don't like when she says that he's taking it to the cup for the 15th time? I don't like when she's like Google Gaga for Jason Tatum and can't speak because he's playing so well. Pat McAfee had a tweet that got dug up from like 10 years ago. How about he's like, I just, I'm so bored by Doris Burke, and now they're like. Teammates.
That's why you stay off Twitter, Bart. McAfee had some tweet about Larry Nassar. Nasser. Nasser. I call him Nasser.
I've heard it both ways. Uh And it was like an insensitive tweet. And then he gets on the show the next day. He's like. Oh, oh, oh, like the way that he defends himself is like, just don't.
Just be like, yeah, the tweet was dumb. It was incredibly stupid too. I don't like I don't understand what he was trying to do by it. Yeah, it's really weird. Uh oh, he said they that he designed the jerseys.
Yeah, terrible. But then he like You know, sometimes when people are wrong, they go, Man, that was dumb. Yeah. But then sometimes we're like. To even question my wrongness.
And then they put up moats and then triple down on it. I've seen that show do that a few times. Hey. Bart, how do you feel about A cross-promotional Here, you know what? I'm going to text this to you, and then you can determine.
I really, this would be a, we should mention this. If you're comfortable mentioning this. based on where this just happened. All right, check your phone. I am checking my phone.
Check your telephone. Your cellular. I sent this one to your cellular phone. Not your landline that I sometimes message you on. Mark Murphy was on 97.3 the game.
There you go. His hopes for the Jets. 65%. Honestly, I hope. Everything goes well.
But it would be really good if the Jets have a bad year because we'd get a very high pick.
So what is Mark Murphy hoping for? 65%, which is so perfect. Because like, so what are your hopes for the Jets this year? 65%. So it kind of goes back to what we just talked about a few minutes ago, which is Like, if you're a Packers fan, do you want Rogers to?
You know, Get hurt or not be able to play, whatever. I know people like people rooting for people to get hurt, but like if Rogers. had something happen where he can't play the whole year. And the jets are terrible, and the whole thing is a disaster. That's good in the sense of like, you know, Packers fans who Don't want Rogers to succeed, don't want the Jets to succeed, but.
It also means that you're settling for a second-round pick and not a first-round pick. Obviously, the best of both worlds is that a lot more people get clowned for this, but. God bless them. I mean... No, it's I like it.
I mean, but this is another one of those things, Bart, that we talk. By the way, by the time people are listening to this podcast, I'm guessing that this will be a very relatively viral clip. Yeah. Oh, it's already doing Huge numbers. Yeah.
I love that. That's great. That's great for Steve and Josh. To sit down with Wayne Laravey and Mark Murphy. That's so well deserved.
For two, especially Steven. For how much he Loves the Packers. And truly. Is cherishing every moment he gets to be. Given this incredible access.
I'm so happy for him. Yeah. I love when good people work hard and get what they deserve.
Okay. Yes. I have an actual Packers question. Toby, any thoughts on. Anything that's been said before we continue?
Uh not particularly, no. Yeah, that makes sense. C considering that it's just been nonsensical here for a while. Actual package question. There's another podcast part on the Blue Wire Network that I very much enjoy.
It's called the Packaday Podcast. Oh, Andy Herman. Annie Herman. Wonderful cast of characters. Yes, sir.
He asked a hypothetical question on a recent episode of his. Uh Yeah. You know, rhetorical, I think, would be a rhetorical question, but I want to answer it for him and maybe for you. And what he asked was: if you could. Only get training camp coverage.
about either Jordan love Or everybody else on the team.
So if you pick everybody else on the team, you don't get any Jordan Love clips. You get no Jordan Love updates, but you get everything else, or you get Jordan Love, but you get nobody else. Andy's assumption was that a lot of people would choose Jordan Love and nothing else. Which, of course, is a huge distinction from previous years. Where it's like, you know, Bart, you said the other day, like, oh, Rogers throws the ball into tight coverage in his 16th NFL season.
Like, who gives a shit? Right? All right, so. If you can only get training camp updates about either Jordan Love, or the rest of the team. Can't have them both.
You would take the Jordan Love highlights and updates, and nothing from the rest of the team. Mm-hmm. Or mm-mm.
Well, what would Toby do with Sam Howell? Would you only want your boy Sam Howell? Would you want. Yeah, I mean, I went out to training camp the last couple of days, and the only reason I was intent on getting out there, you know, the offensive lines, questions, whatever, I wanted to see what Sam Howell looked like.
So, in my opinion, if you're a Packers fan, like you kind of know what Christian Watson is, you kind of know what Romeo Dobbs is, you kind of know what some of these other guys are. You've seen them before. I want to know what Jordan Love looks like.
So 100% would say. I need all the quarterback content possible because that's the most important position, and there's so much uncertainty around it. Toby, are you going to Commander's camp anymore. Uh I probably will at some point, yeah. Why don't you take some videos and send them to me, and I'll put them on my YouTube, and I'll split you the revenue.
It's a good idea, Toby. Yeah. Um probably not. Start your own YouTube. Sh should I go as a fan and just take video of the entire 11 on 11 despite not, you know, supposing you're not supposed to and just put it everywhere?
Well, it'll be on my channel. They'll be like, how'd this guy get it? And they'll be like, Isn't Toby friends with Barton? They'll be like, Why would Toby be friends with that guy? Yeah, I'm uh.
I'm not going to do that. Is that the same podcast where he talks shit about Joe Feisman? I uh did not say anything bad about Joe Theisman. I'm sure he did not. He's a Super Bowl winning quarterback.
He is. Uh I Would subscribe to the love. Stuff. I would rather know that. I think there's some interesting battles, but honestly, like.
I don't give a shit where Zach Tom's going to play. Yeah. Like, I don't care about who's leading the safety stuff. I do. You do.
I do. In week one. Show me in week one. Sure. But right now Like right now, I'm going to clown all these people for.
Dissecting every Jordan Love throw, but After after family night, but shit, I should do that, honestly. And then watermark it, even though I don't have the rights to the video. If I had the opportunity, I would have said last year that I would have just preferred to see all Kurt Benkert content. Right, Bart?
Well, Kurt Benker tried to change the Packers' social media, but that's just not how things work. In Green Bay. Bart and I are big Kurt Banker at stands. Why doesn't Kurt Benker? If Kurt Banker is so good, If he's so why doesn't he go play in the XFL or USFL?
Oh, he did, and he didn't start. Never mind. Is either Heineken or Heineke? I think the NFL is missing out. Wait, wait, wait.
No, he's Bankard played in the XFL. He was one for six and threw a pick. Then the next game he started. And he broke his ribs. Oh.
But played another two quarters and then left. Ooh, never mind. Never mind. Kirk Bankert, 62% career completion percentage in the XFL, one touchdown, two passes, a 60 rating. Never mind.
Toby, who what quarterback did you just say also played there? Taylor Heineke played in the XFL and he didn't start. He did. He backed up Jordan Tiamu with the St. Louis Battlehawks.
How many years ago? 2020. The 2020 year. And then and then came in the Next year to Lambo as the starter for Washington? A couple years, I believe.
I'm not sure exactly the timeline, 'cause he I can't remember. What was it? What was the COVID year? Wasn't that? Yeah, I think, yeah, he got signed late in that COVID year because he started against Tom Bramble and then they beat us.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yes, I believe that would be correct. Is he still your backup in Washington? No, he's in Atlanta.
He's going to take Desmond Ritter's job. Oh you think so? Yeah, because uh my Complaint all offseason has been how people talk about Washington and say that they think they have a good defense and the quarterback's uncertain, so they have no idea what to do and how to judge them. And then they go and talk about Atlanta and say, Oh, they're a sleeper. It's the exact same thing.
Yeah. So, I like the Falcons right now. I have everything against them.
Now, as a college football watcher, Paul, I will say that. Desmond Ritter, and this is specifically DraftKings influence too. Is that Cincinnati was doing very well that year that they eventually made the playoffs?
So I started playing Desmond Ritter a lot. And he likes to not live up to expectations, fantasy or otherwise. They barely got through a lot of those games.
So a lot of. A lot of my thoughts on Desmond Ritter. is that I don't think he's stepped up to what he should have been in college.
So I might agree with Toby that. You might see Heineke soon. Hmm. What pit was Ritter third or fifth round somewhere in that range, right? Third round, fifth rounder for Sam Howell, who's going to outperform him significantly this year.
Yeah. Is Carson Wentz gonna ever play in the NFL again? I was gonna ask you that same thing one minute ago, but say XFL or USFL. Why doesn't he do that? There you go.
Why doesn't he go out in there and ball out unless you're worried that you're gonna sign? Just go hang out at home. Why does Messi play in the MLS? He's 30. I just run around and score goals now.
That's totally different. He's like, he's still enjoying playing and all that. I think Carson Wentz just wants to go chill at home and go hunting. Like that. That should mention.
I did buy the MLS season pass. I'm already an Apple TV Plus subscriber. That's how I was able to watch the greatest show of all time, Severance. I actually have not seen any other shows on Apple TV Plus. Oh, Ted Lasso, but I haven't watched season three because I heard it was bad.
Uh it's a lot better than season two, which was total dog shit. Really? When I I The I'm on the last episode of season three of Ted Lasso. I loved, loved, loved season one. absolutely hated season two.
And season three is not nearly as good as season one, but a big improvement from season two. Aren't the episodes like an hour long, just drawn out? I definitely felt that way in season two. I think season three's had its gaps where it's like, okay, you could have cut all of that. Um But no, it's much better than season two, which I just hated.
Mm. Yeah, you remember what I said at the time where it was like, well, I won't Toby, have you seen the show? Do you care about the show? Don't care. Don't care.
I didn't like watching Nate become a villain. But isn't in season three, don't they, like, nerf him right away? No. Doesn't he doesn't he join forces with Ted pretty quick? No, like three quarters of the way in.
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The promo code is Bart. I didn't answer the topic uh about Jordan Love versus the field in terms of training camp coverage. I mean, I'm conflicted because of. you know, former beat guy.
Well I think as a beat reporter, you'd have to say. Oh. What if you ask that question to, like, let's be honest? What if you asked that question to? Schneidman to Domofsky, all your favorite guys, Bart, who are on the beat.
Well, I can't. I know you can't. Let's say you could. You'd have to take, I don't know. Like, I don't know what the right beat reporter answer is.
I think you'd. Let's go back to the Fond du Lac reporter that I was in.
Okay. Look at this non-smoking graphic. I zoom out. There you go. There you go.
Who was employed? By this paper back then. That is as that is as clip art as it gets. Paul, to your point. I feel like the beat reporter thing is you still need to know the quarterback position because that can determine what happens during the season.
You know, like, you know, game one of this, you know, week one, Jordan Love struggles, and you're like, yeah, we saw this all throughout camp. Or, you know, week five, he makes a nice throw down the sideline. You're like, oh, yeah, we saw some glimpses of that during camp. Yeah. I feel like reporting on how Jair Alexander looks or how a first, you know, how the tight ends are looking, I mean, that, that kind of.
Whatever, but the quarterback position is so important.
Well, it's so important, and it's more important than anything else. The quarterback position is already more important. And then now you're moving on from Rodgers to Jordan Love, and there's a lot of intrigue and mystery. As to what he's gonna be like, that it is like, None of the other things matter. Oh, Carlson's mixing kicks.
Who's returning kicks? Who's like stepping up? Oh, this guy's made that guy expendable. Kenny Clark's moving over there. Where's Zach Tomplain?
Who's getting the reps over in the slot? None of that matters. If Jordan Love is bad. Yeah, like I heard you mention so like Hmm. There's a lot of cool clips on Twitter of, you know, some of the good throws, great throws Jordan Love has made.
And then. Paul Brettel said on your show. Yeah, but then he also threw him right into Devontae Wyatt's tummy and like interception and whatever. Right into his tum tummy, yeah. By the way, you never throw a pass.
This is what I learned in journalism school. You don't ever throw a pass into the stomach. Because the stomach is an internal organ, it's into the Tummy. How do you feel about my old news director in TV that hated me? She would be mad when people said fled on foot.
As opposed to, like, what's the fled? You've already fled means you've fled. I see the distinction. Oh, and she would be very upset. But what if you fled in via vehicle or you fled via?
No, you fled as on foot, she said. And then the thing that I got. uh annoyed with was when people say We've been doing this for over 60 years. No. You can't go over years.
It's more than 60 years. Mm. Oh, yes, more than yes, it's yes, that's a good one. By the way, flee or fled, run away from a place or situation of danger, run away from. Um Run so Though I could argue that run She's probably right.
Um I was going to see if I could come up with something. Just accept the loss there. I didn't say fled via foot, Toby. Yeah. We have some yeah.
Anyway the definition I have for flood is Run, run away, and save your life. Run away, run away. Run away if you want to survive. It's time to break free. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Um That's also a good definition, though it kinda feels like song lyrics. Yeah, just a little bit. I'm not hearing anything. I'm not either. Probably a good thing.
He's going to lose his monitor. No. I see you bopping along. I was playing Real McCoy. Mm-hmm.
Which I don't want to get dinged for copyright on YouTube, so I'll probably edit it out. Don't mess up your monetization. We couldn't hear it, so. All right, so yeah, I think you just have to say that Jordan loves content because You just have to. But I will say, Toby, I don't know if they do this in Washington.
I assume they do, but like you also then aren't watching those pass rush drills, the one-on-one pass rush drills, which are amazing. And one of the fun things to document in Packers Camp back in the day was. The records, you know, and I'll give Rob Domofsky credit, he always had like full standings. of every one-on-one pass rushing snap of who went against who went. And what their record was, and some pros.
That was, yeah, that was always really fun to watch. And of course, a lot of those are like judgment calls, right? Like, did he get past him or was he trying to bring him that way? But you wouldn't have that. But you've got to have Jordan Love content.
So that's Awesome. All right, ready for baseball. And this is where Toby can drop some Nationals knowledge and. I'll have too much of that. Mart, ready?
Any other Packers' thoughts, Mart, for the day? Yeah, Rogers wouldn't take a pay cut, and that's why we didn't get J.J. Watt, but go ahead.
Okay. Yeah, the dots do come. You would have loved covering a team with J.J. Watt and Aaron Rodgers on the same team. He would not.
He would not. The content would have been. Fantastic. That would never happen. Rogers knew that J.J.
Watt was a. Like he like I always say Rogers is a suck. He Like, sucks you in. It's it takes up a lot of space. Or is JJ Watt?
You'd have the philosophical town's not big enough for the both of them. interviews with Rogers, and then you'd have the corniest interviews. With JJ Watt. Could you imagine Rogers giving an interview and like JJ Watt coming behind him and like giving him a noogie? It would never happen.
These two guys neat they they're they're too big. The or is they're too big to ever have been on the same team. Yeah. All right, brewers. Probably right.
Alright, I wrote this question after the Braves series. It certainly didn't help itself after the National Series. Yes, anything can happen in baseball. But watching the Brewers play two series recently against the Braves. has made it clear that Milwaukee is far from a legitimate contender in 2023.
And let me just so mm-hmm or mm-mm. But let me also add, this was also written like pre-trade deadline. And what it was meant to also encapsulate was the idea that. You can make some marginal moves, which they did. But you would wanna be very cautious about, like, where are we actually?
Like, how all in should we really like? The Braves are markedly. A better team.
So, like, let's just accept our place as a National League central contender. And that's probably the extent of it. But baseball is also like. Weird, like by far the most unpredictable postseason sports.
So, just to say it again, yes, anything can happen in baseball, but what you saw in the Brewers and Braves series, not helped by the two out of three loss in Washington. Um has made it clear that Milwaukee is far from a legitimate contender in 2023. Or mm-mm.
You know, if they would have said This year for the first time. Look, we're trying to make these improvements. We do have a healthy. All right, so I'm Matt Arnold.
Okay, I get asked about what are you doing at the deadline? I go, look, this is a team that we like. It's a team that has potential. Where are we at in terms of the rest of the league? I don't know.
But I think that these guys deserve a shot. I think that they can make a run. And we're looking at it like. You know, bites of the apple, where we have a good enough team to go and play. And then, you know, the baseball, it's volatile.
We'll see what happens, but we believe in our team. If that's the first time it was ever said, we'd be like, Yeah, yeah, because we do like these prospects. We do like Um you know, they did make some moves.
So like And I don't think they were just for show. Like, they actually brought in some people that are gonna play every day. And it's a very bite to the Apple team. The problem is, David Stearns traded away as closer. And then they didn't make the playoffs, and then he said bites of the apple.
So the the branding of it can work. For a team like this. This is a Bites of the Apple team. They like They are not that good, but they are not that bad. And they can win closed games.
And they can show you that there's days where they can. offensively go and and they are getting Woodruff back. And And you can get hot. This team, there's no way this team can get hot for a month. And go to the World Series.
They won't. But they can. Yeah, I mean, you laid it out, Paul. It's a baseball's so funky. You have.
You have elite pitching.
So if Corbin Burns can get back to it, you know, you get Woody back, you have Freddy get on track. I mean, it's the same thing that I preached all of last year, essentially, before they traded away Hayter and took all the air out of the balloon is You get into the postseason, you have elite pitching, you've got an all-star closer. And if you can just shut down a team for a couple of games, you don't have to score six runs to win. On paper, they're not better than the Braves. There's probably two or three teams as well you could throw ahead of the Brewers on paper, but You've got good pitching.
There's, I think that's what the ultimate thing is. You've got something that can stop people with the pitching. I bring that up all the time. But you know, if Burns is on one, even if you're playing the Atlanta Braves.
Okay, they're gonna score what, one or two runs in six innings? The brewers can scratch across two, like it doesn't happen enough, but they can scratch across two or three, you'd hope.
So. I mean, that's kind of where I look at the brewers. They're not going to be better than the Braves. They're not going to be better on paper than probably the Dodgers. But.
Anything can happen in baseball, like you said. And when in doubt, I like to side with teams with pitching, and the Brewers have that. Mm-hmm. Toby, I know you're. You know, like we said earlier, you can pretty much rattle off just about anything that's not lacrosse.
I'm trying to think in the last. Five to ten years. of a lineup that like one through six Is as daunting as the brave right now. Like that You watch enough, and you know, up until this year, Toby, before the MLB changes scheduling, like you saw, what, 18 Braves games against the Nationals a year, but like you watch those six Brewers Braves games, and it's like there is just that's an onslaught of just dangerous bats. And even like what, the rookie of the year last year was the ninth hitter who's batting 278 with like a 370 on base, and he's the nine hitter and he's having a down season.
Um Man, I just not going away to interrupt you. It's not going away anytime soon. Because the Braves bought out the Arbiers on a lot of these guys and then sent them to a couple more. I absolutely love the way the Braves have operated. Ronald La Cunha is 25.
He's making $17 million the next five seasons, 17 flat. Crazy. Austin Riley's making $15, $20 million. He's 26. Ozzy Albies is making $7 million.
Each of the next three years, then it's a club option for the next two years at 7 million again. Michael Harris making 5 million. They've already bought out his R Vers. I mean, they're going to be Orlando Arcia, two million dollars. Yeah.
I mean, that's the way that you go about doing it. You can keep a team for forever, like you were saying, Bart, because you got to have a little foresight.
Sometimes it doesn't necessarily work out as well as you'd like. The White Sox tried it to an extent with Eloy Jimenez and Luis Roberts. The White Sox had it, and then they hired Tony La Russa to ruin it all. They fucked it all up. But I mean, that's the way to do it.
And honestly, that's something that the Brewers need to start looking at trying. Yes. Let's talk about that for a minute if we could. What like If you were to honestly be able to ask. Matt Arnold that question about Free lick.
About Garrett Mitchell, who's been out for the past four months, about, I mean, honestly, why is Jackson Churio not locked up to a 15-year deal tomorrow? What else? I mean, like, he's not stepped, he's 19 years old and never stepped to in a major league stadium.
Well, stadium, maybe, but not played on one. Um They did do this with Freddy. Freddy's the guy they did it. Yes, they did, but not nearly to the extent of the type of length you're talking about with all these. Like, this was Peralta was a great deal for the Brewers and for Freddy for his security.
And I guess they did it with Ashby. The Raysby. It's different, though. Like, we're talking about stars. Like, you can do it with some of these lower guys, but like the Rays did it with Wanda Franco.
And the Diamondbacks did it with Corbin Carroll. And so, what does that mean? What did they? What was Corbin Carroll's deal? I don't know this one.
I don't, I'm not up to date on that. I think he's getting like 13 or 14 a year for the next year. I think the brewers should lock up Contreras right now for five years. Oh, well, and they've got him for five, but just like bring him through his early 30s, you know, but. Seriously, like free lick.
Well, yeah, but but so when they buy out these arbitration, usually They buy him out. You don't have to go through the ARB thing. And then they tack on a couple more years.
Well, and here's those two years are good for the player, but also team-friendly. Yeah, I mean, what it means is you're going to pay a little more than the, you know, one or two million they might get in arbitration up front.
So you might be paying a guy six, seven million, but by the end of it, I mean, Ronald Acunha should be making 30, 40 million, and he's making 17 for the next couple, like you laid out, Bart.
So at the end of it, it ends up being a deal. And that's something that hopefully, if you're the brewers, like you said, Paul, like you've got to be looking at this with Jackson Churio. I think at least one of the other outfielders, probably I like Sal Freelick. I think you should be looking at something like that. And that's how you can keep guys around for longer and still be able to field a competitive baseball team and spend in other spots.
Yeah. I do hope that Well, who was it recently? Like, I say recently, as in the past few years, who was it? Was it the Mariners?
Someone got a big deal before they were ever in the major leagues. Who was that? Like, it was a. It wasn't Julio Rodriguez, was it? But anyway, like you can do that.
Like, let's just be clear: like, there's nothing stopping the brewers from giving Cheerio 15 years for $150 million. You know, 10 million. Morgan Carroll got one before he ever was 100. Eight years one hundred eleven million that a club option for the twenty thirty one season. Yeah, I mean it just I don't I guess I don't see the And if you're going to sign a guy like a guy like a Cheerio, and you can say, We're going to sign you for seven, eight, nine years, you can still sell to the guy and his agent that, dude, you're going to hit free agency at 30, 31.
The Yankees will still pay you at that age. The Dodgers will still take you for five years when you're just turning 30. Yeah. And I'm just really what Jackson Churio's. signing bonus was as an international player Um 1.9 million.
And he was 17 at the time. Not bad. But You know, kind of like with Freddy Peralta, who had made a couple million dollars. But if you, if you show him. You know, multiple years of security.
Something that Takes him from a nice salary into that multi-million per year salary. I get why Acunia and Albies, like I get. I get why they did it. Like, I totally get it. It's a win-win.
And I'm sure, like, there'd be some agents who would say, like, Scott Boris, I'm sure, would say, Don't you dare. you know don't as a player like don't you dare consider that much less do it Because he's trying to maximize value for the entire group of MLB players, but Um By the way, uh I don't want to say first impressions of Sal Freela because it's been a week and a half or whatever now, but. And Toby, you got to see him for at least three games, maybe more, depending on how much brewers you've watched outside of National Series. He's the exact type of player I want on my team. Contact Base running, speed, defense.
Like, I know the Brewers, like, their first-round pick. From two weeks ago, and this year's draft is like this big power-hitting six foot-five third baseman. But for the most part, I just Man, I it Free lick is the kind of guy who makes baseball fun to watch. Right. Well, he's a com just a complete change up from what the Brewers have done over the last couple of years, where it's who cares about the batting average, just get on base and hit a lot of dingers, and it doesn't matter if you're slow, it doesn't really matter if you're that great at defense either.
What what's going on with this picture here, Bart? Oh, I w was trying something. That's a Omaha Steaks hot dog.
Okay. So Sal Freelick is not a hot dog. I really like the way that he plays. I really do. Yeah.
But why can't I see you guys? I know. All I see is this hot dog. Yeah. Oh, crap.
What do they got? Pickles on here? Like, full pickles instead of relish? It kinda looks good. I can't get There we go.
There it is. But yeah, I think I really do like Sal Freelick, Paul. And I think that when you look at how he can help, you sometimes need a changeup from like your regular plan. You know, like if everyone else in the lineup is hitting home runs, like at some point, you need someone to hit for average and get on in front of them, too. And I think Freelick can be that guy.
And this is what frustrates me so much about last year still. Is why did you decide to sell off the closer as opposed to trying inserting Garrett Mitchell or Sal Freelick? Like they did at the end of the year, and you saw the difference that Garrett Mitchell made. It's like, why didn't you just try that instead of trading off Hater?
So that brings us to a topic Bart hasn't talked enough about, which is the Josh Hayter trade.
Well, I am going to wrap up this episode very soon. No, I'm just kidding. That's pretty much. Anyway, I would totally agree with all the things you said. Bart, what do you?
I mean, just. Give me your 30 seconds or one minute on. Early impressions of Freelick.
Well, he's got a lot to live up to after that first game. Dude, I mean, he that was that Tuesday's game where he threw out the runner at the plate? I think him and Mitchell are going to be fan favorites 'cause they're good looking men.
Okay. I mean, they got that dark Italian Hair. Who will be center field? Who will be right field? Freelich and right?
Mitchell in center? They're both. And the only thing Toby said about teams. Freelich did go torpedo himself into the boards the other day.
Well, that's I kind of, but that's part of what I'm saying. Like, I don't, I'm not sure I want him to do that forever because his body could break eventually, but. Man, that's fun to watch. Like, that's just... Man, that's fun to watch.
Reminds me of seeing him do that, reminds me of the youthfulness that Bryce Harper had when he came up and he just played with reckless abandon. You learn how to deal with that eventually, but it is nice to see and refreshing to see. And I'm sure it energizes a clubhouse when a guy's just running full speed. And if he runs into a wall, whatever. I'm going to try to make plays.
Let me ask you guys this before we wrap up. And again, so Monday show, I don't know what I'm going to have on it yet. Uh Your Carl's Place voicemails are welcome. Carl of et.com backslash Bart. What about hard knocks?
Commentators? Hardnox doesn't start until Tuesday. Oh, it's not Sunday night, it's Tuesday night. Tuesday night at nine Central.
Okay. I will do a live after the Brewers Rockies on Monday. We've been doing like Monday live, so I'll do another Monday live. Um Should I apply for this job? At Shaker's Cigar Bar.
Cigar bar. Shakers has been long regarded as one of the most haunted bars in America. We provide historic and ghost tours. We have several positions open for tour guides. We're looking for people with performance who can memorize a script and think quickly on their feet.
Memorize a script? Should I be a haunted house tour guide? Yes. And just trying to embrace doing weird shit. Yeah.
Like, for a while I didn't want to DoorDash because be like... Art? But I should have said, Yeah, what the fuck? I don't know. Here's your pizza.
Well, and then as you're giving the tour, if you really want to scare them, just talk about your career. Yeah. One August morning, we got an email that said team meeting at noon, and we all lost our jobs. And I wasn't even hosting that day. His producer was.
Yeah. A reason. Toby was left. Toby was left stranded so much he had to move to DC. A recent Hall of Fame inductee was currently on the air when it mysteriously disappeared.
Yes, the station couldn't leverage the fact that they had a NFL Hall of Famer that showed up five days a week during the dead of summer to talk about the fucking brewers. The sales department was dwindling year after year. They stopped doing a golf outing. Due to COVID that never came back. Bill Michaels left and his salary.
Was never replaced. Rami left the afternoons. And there was a rotating host for six months in drive time. And now he's back. And Toby could have got the job, but then the station crumbled.
Woo! Scary stuff. Scary to me. And they got Bart back for various CBS shifts, but not on Sunday 'cause they run BetQL, even though gambling's not illegal or not legal here. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Scary, scary. By the way, I do get paychecks still from Odyssey. Tremendous company. Yeah, I I do as well and uh love it.
You can actually find this podcast on Odyssey as well. You can. It is. Spotify, Apple, Odyssey. Possibly.
Runic. All right, boys. Good to see you, Toby. Good to see you, Paul. Good to see you, Toby.
And it's also good to see you, Bart. Good to see you, Bart.
Sorry. Goodbye. Yeah.
