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Good morning, everybody! My name is. Is Bart Winkler. And this is September 13th. Welcome to the show.
Packers have the Falcons this week. We will get more into that. as the week goes on. We will have grant. And Paul.
Coming up this week. Horvat should be coming up this week. Do you have a special Message from him later in the show. And Rami Mekloff. It's been too long.
Rami's going to be. I think he was on like episode three. And this is like episode 260.
So this will be the longest. Gap between appearances. In the history of this show. Which means nothing. But Rami, Rami, we got to talk to Rami.
Old 1250 chap. Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers. We'll cover all that. with Rom Dog. Aaron Rodgers is out for the year.
That is a bummer? I was looking forward to rooting against him. And if he did well. I was looking forward to being mad that he was doing so well. And I'm looking forward to all these feelings meaning nothing.
In 10 years when he comes back for the retirement or sooner. Just like it did with Favre.
Okay. I mean, I yes, Aaron Rodgers gave us a lot of memories. I want it off the ride. We're off the ride. The Jets barely got the ride.
They got the four months of media stuff and And you see Aaron, you see Aaron where Aaron was like. You see, Aaron was at that Tony's Awards. No, I didn't, but this is how they talk in Queens. No, I didn't, but I did seen him. At that Taylor and Swift show.
I did see him there. Really? Last time I saw him, he had a club in his hand. and he was playing golf with Steph and Curry. I don't know.
He played four snaps. He played four. Snap for the Jets. Achilles tear. And now what?
So obviously, 65% is done. We never need to say that phrase again. That will be a second-round pick. We want them to do bad.
So the pick is better. Right. They're 1-0. What a crazy win that was. on Monday night.
For the Jets. I do have to cough here. I'm going to cough, but I'm going to tell you something about my cough. My cough is gonna go away. I went to the doctor and the doctor said.
No more drinking right before bed. No, we didn't talk about that. She said, All right, you got to build up. You know, this cold's going around, you got to build up. I can give you this like inhaler to puff on it.
It helps. I can give you these like. I don't know, they're like mucus steroids or swool steroid something. I can give you the mucinex. I go.
Ma'am with all due. I didn't really say this, but I'm playing it up for the story. I said a version of this, but not how I'm going to do it. Ma'am, with all due respect, I didn't come here. for the finest meal in all of Milwaukee.
I came for the whole buffet. Whatever you can prescribe to me. I need. She goes, It's best that you don't talk. What do you do for a living?
Do you want a work note? I go, it's kind of complicated. You don't need to excuse me from work for the next three days because I'm not really working. I told her about like part-time stuff. I didn't say, hey, did you know that you can like and subscribe to the Bart Winkler show?
I should have. Everyone I meet is a future listener. I should have pushed it more. I should have pushed it more. You know, these.
60-year-old nurse practitioners, that's the market. that I have yet to conquer. And one day I hope to.
So maybe this is a turning point. in my life. It's a bummer that Rogers has done. Look, there was that great report. CBS 58 was there.
At Jack's, the bar in Milwaukee that got a lot of national run on Tuesday. Because they were doing the Rogers promotion. If you haven't heard about it. When the Jets play and Rodgers starts. Open tab.
If the Jets Win you have to pay your tab If the Jets lose, you just drink for free all night.
So Rogers got hurt and there was some video. of the fans cheering. And I understand, and then there was a lot of like high and mighty stuff. A lot of people tweeting. How terrible it was that people were cheering.
I don't think anybody watching the game. In their home with some people, small group. saw Aaron Rodgers and started cheering. These people that were cheering had a direct financial in uh outcome of the game. Nobody nobody's like Happy Aaron.
I don't think anybody's happy Aaron Rodgers got hurt. I don't. I I'm not. I wanted him to go and be bad. I didn't want him to be hurt.
Him being bad would have been funny. Him being hurt is like a bummer. You know, he went there and he did all the stuff and Now he's just hurt. His season's done, maybe his career. That's that's not Is that cool?
Don't celebrate that.
Now, if he would have just been bad and old, that would have been funny. But he'd still get up the next day, get out of bed. You know? People were cheering. Because they're like, oh my God, we're going to drink for free all night.
That was the thought. Nobody was like, yeah, he's actually hurt, and that might be the last play we ever see of him. That jerk. People were not doing that. They were cheering because their odds were better.
Like in blackjack. What happened was they had a face card showing. The dealer was showing a six. When Zach Wilson comes in, you have a face card, and the dealer's showing a six. You could still lose.
But you're pretty excited you're probably going to win.
Somehow you're probably gonna win. It doesn't always happen. But you might be like Maybe I double down here. Right? Maybe I put a little more money on it and and the double down is and maybe I buy another round I wasn't gonna.
Bye. That's what people were doing.
So a little bit of high and mighty stuff I didn't think needed. To happen. And of course, now I am leapfrogging. This is what I do, this is where I specialize.
Something happens, people freak out. And they're high and mighty. And then I try to leapfrog them. and try to tell the people That are telling you what to do. I try to tell them what to do.
This is the ultimate. Bart move that I've crafted and perfected.
So Let's not freak out about that. But that is a bummer. That is a bummer. David Stearns is going to the Mets. What a surprise that was.
I don't know. I don't like it. He's always wanted to go to the Mets. Like Rodgers wanting to go to the Jets. Let's compare.
That was a relatively new thing. As of like When even when the Packers drafted love. He still just did not want to leave. He wanted to play forever, one team forever. He wanted to, he wanted MVPs because of it.
He wasn't thinking three years ago, I'm going to go play for the Jets. But you know, every time that David Stearns made a trip to New York. That's city field. You know, he looked at that office and said. That's going to be me someday.
You know he did. Not that he didn't try his hardest here. I'm not accusing him of anything. It's just a bummer that. You know, we were we were always his high school girlfriend.
And he was always gonna, or his college girlfriend, and he was always gonna, you know, get that internship in the big city after college and find his true love. And eventually be with her. He always knew what she was. There's just paths needed to circle back.
So I don't know. I mean, good. I don't. A lot of council now, right? People talking about council.
I don't know. I really don't think council. He's going to manage for the Brewers or he's not going to manage. is how I feel. Like forever.
I don't know. Maybe he managed the Brewers for another five years, retires, gets bored. goes manages the Dodgers or some shit. I don't know. I don't see him following David Stearns to New York.
Although, if you're a New York fan, You're probably going to talk about that for a little bit.
So David Stearns off to the Mets. As Aaron Rodgers is maybe done with the Jets. Jets still have cap hits on Rodgers the next couple of years. They're going to want him back. We'll see what the Jets do.
I'm taking the Cowboys in the survivor pool. There's also a week two pick'em pool, splashsports.com. backslash winkler The Thursday night game is not included, so you can get in up until Sunday at noon. Might run two of them. this week.
I'm taking the Packers to win. I would not take them as my survivor. I think the Giants have the Cardinals. Giants could be an interesting play. They're going to want to.
They're going to want to prove that they don't suck that bad. After they tried to get Daniel Jones murdered. But I'm just going to go safe and go with the Cowboys. Although there were probably people like how the Jets won that game is unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.
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Do that. Rummy Mac live. Hey Bart Winkler. See, the thing is. I wanted to talk to Rami.
And it's been a while since. It's been a minute. You and I communicated leading up to the tailgate that it was too hot for you. I couldn't do it, dude. I'm sorry.
I felt bad about that one. You were going to be the surprise guest. It was going to be great. I was looking forward to it. Like, I was on the road trip back to Milwaukee from Sacramento when I got that text.
And my girlfriend will attest to this. I got excited when I got that text. I was like, hell yeah, I got my first. Thing to do when I got when I get to Mill. I had no plans with anyone part.
I was excited for it. And then it was surface of the sun hot out there at American Family Field. And I just don't handle that well, dude. It's that's part of the reason I left Sacramento.
So I apologize. I'm sorry, and I feel bad about it, but your tailgate would have been no fun if I died. That would not have been fun for you or your many, many listeners. What I learned is. The tailgate part was It was kind of breezy.
We had tents. Yeah. The tailgate part is like, oh yeah, this is warm. Once you got into the stadium, it was death. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. So if it was 100 outside, maybe felt like 95. It was like 1:30, 135 in there, man. And I see, I should have come then.
Now I regret it even more because I told you.
Well, how did we know that morning we spoke, and I told you, if I do come, I'm only coming for the tailgate, I'm not staying for the game.
So if the tailgate. was not too uncomfortable. I should now feel even more like I should have done it, and I feel even worse about not doing it. Do we have another Bart Winkler tailgate coming up anytime soon that I can make up for it? I might try to So there's been other shows that have done get-togethers on like Thursday nights Let's say the huddle.
Okay. I might Try to do like the Bart Winkler hurry up. Yeah. At a bar. I don't hate it.
I don't hate it. 1840 Brewing, who helped with the Tailgate? Dude, I love that place. I love that place. I've done a comedy show at that place, and it's one of my best heckler stories.
I don't know if you want to hear it, but it's one of my best. Although it wasn't even a heckler, it was just somebody who's too into the show, if anything. But I love that bar, and they have many, many, many delicious beers there. Yeah, so I might do a hurry up there.
Okay. Tim Shea always pop in for a hurry up. Tim Shea always goes to this bar in West Dallas. I'll come through for a quickie. Yeah, just to just a hurry up.
Hurry up because it's a hurry-up offense. Right. Oh, yeah. We're not doing the huddle. Oh.
I got it.
Okay. We're doing the hurry up. Gotcha. All right. This is a good time to have you on because a lot of different things, but personally, in my life, I've got this really bad cough when I can't laugh.
So I thought I'd get the unfunniest person I know of.
Well, thank you for that. I appreciate it. Yeah, you sounded bad. I actually made you laugh before the cameras were turned on. You act like I'm not funny when the cameras are on, but I had you cackling before you turned the cameras on.
And you don't sound good, dude. You don't sound well. Are you all right? I went to the. I went to the doctor.
I got a bunch of drugs I'm picking up after this.
Okay. So we're going to be all good. What do we got? Bronchitis? Or what's?
I don't want to. He said it was like one of 200 cold strains.
Okay. All right. I don't want to violate your HIPAA rights.
So I'll stop the questioning. I'm not getting enough, I'm not using enough of my oxygen. What? That sounds like a problem, bro.
So yeah. Are you a s you're not a smoker? No. She didn't, I don't know if she believed that. I had all the symptoms.
She's like your teeth look like shit too. I go, nah, I just don't brush, fam. That's not from mental. That's just coffee. You know what I've been doing?
Coffee and Mountain Dew. You know what I never knew? What's that?
So I bought the shampoo the other day. All my life, I bought different shampoos. Dove, suave, or whatever. And it doesn't matter to me what the shampoo is. Yeah.
I bought. And I've never had this problem. And then recently I bought a shampoo. I barely look at the thing. As long as it's shampoo.
I buy it. Do you just buy the cheapest? Or what? No, I buy a six, seven dollar bottle. And then I do shampoo the other day.
It's burning my scalp. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? I look at it, it says caffeine and menthol. What? In the shampoo.
What? Why? What caffeine and menthol in my shampoo? I've never had this problem before. Also, I've tried a peppermint shampoo conditioner body wash set once or twice, and it is invigorating.
Mm. Peppermint invigorating.
So I threw it out. And then I just went to the shelf the next time. I accidentally bought caffeine and menthol again. Yeah. I'm in the shower and I go.
You've gotta be fucking shitting me! Yeah. Did it leave any damage, like a red scalp or anything? What if I took off my hat right now and it was just like it looked like the planet Mars? Oh, not that I know of.
That'd be bad.
So you left Sacramento. I did. I loved your sign-off. First of all, it's great when someone gets a sign-off. Yeah.
It's a rare thing. That was very generous of them to let me do that, even given the short time I was there. But you were just like, this is going to make me laugh. You were just like... Hey Sacramento, I just flat out don't like being here.
You guys are great people, but. It's too hot and I miss my parents. I've got no friends. That's what it boiled down to. You nailed it.
It's not, it's not anything wrong. But you didn't even like sugarcoat it. You were just flat out. Like, at one time, I think he's like, I'm depressed. I think he said the word.
Go ahead. I was for a minute, man. That's not a knock on Sacramento. Are you okay, bro? No, you were really like, you were really like, this is like a utopia.
Place on this planet. It's a good place. I just don't like being here. It's a good place. It's just not the place for me, man.
You know what I mean? You got to find the right fit and where you belong. And my whole life, Bart, is on a stretch of I-94 from between Chicago and Minneapolis. And it's hard to change that at 43 years old. You know what I mean?
Want to be around friends, want to be around family, want to be back where I could sit down with a Bart Winkler, even though. He hasn't done that yet with me since I've been back. I just want to be back, yeah, with my people and around all the people and places that I love.
So I'm here with no job, but I'm here. I'm here.
So we're speaking on this show. Yes. And we had a tailgate, and I was the one that reached out to you on both.
So don't act like that is true. Don't act like you came back here and are waiting for me to call you. I mean, I have thrown it out there a couple of times: like, hey, let's grab some lunch or a beer. But right I it's it's cool. If so, okay.
In the next month. We have to minimum have lunch together. I'm down. Because you and I have very open schedules. Yes, we do.
Mm-hmm. That's a kind way of saying neither of us has a real job. This is really a test of. Like, you know how people are like, we should do this, we should do this. I talked to my one friend and we're like, all right, I guess we'll see you.
And she's like, Yeah, you wanna do the thing where we're gonna say like. Our kids will play together at the playground, and we never do. You're like, okay, we can do that. But you and I Have the ability to see each other. Yes, we do.
Like each other. Yep. Have nothing going on. Nothing.
So, the only thing that would get in our way, I guess, is laziness. Which is a valid Valid reason not to get together. Pretty big of just pure laziness. Yeah. That's why, honestly, stand-up comedy was very good for me on a social level, Bart, because you don't have to make plans.
With your friends to go and see your friends. You know what I mean? You go out, you go out to an open mic, you go out to a show, and you all just end up at the same place at the same time. It's not that thing where you go, oh, yeah, let's meet at such and such a place at such and such a time and sit down for a meal and/or a drink. You just all end up at the same place at the same time, which I think is the perfect way for me to socialize.
And I think you're the same way. Like, it's hard to, it's not that I don't want to get together with people, it's just hard for me. To reach out and make plans with people. It's not an easy thing. That's why, like, and you don't remember it.
But with like college or high school, like You're in such close quarters with so many people that you know and. You can just go out on Friday. Who are you going out with? I'll find someone. We'll figure it out.
Yeah. We're all going to end up with the same thing. Meet me down there. You meet me down there at nine. I'm going now.
There'll be someone I know. Exactly. Yeah. You don't do that. You can't do that anymore.
But let's make it happen. You and me.
Okay. Alright. Coffee. At least coffee. Coffee?
We can do coffee. Lunch and a beer.
Okay, that's fine too. I don't want to put too much pressure on you. I'm down for lunch and a beer. I'm down. Did we go out once to the Vanguard together?
Never been to the Vanguard. We went to what was your spot? The the one that was in major league. Fourth base? Fourth base.
I took you to fourth base? Yeah, me you and Toby and I believe. Oh yeah, Sam. Sam, Sammy Schmitz, us and our young producers. I did take you guys there.
Yeah, you did. It was a good time. My gift cards did not cover the full meal. Yeah. I do remember that.
I do indeed remember that. Yeah. Okay. All right. So we'll do lunch.
All right. I want to talk to you about four Players specifically, they're all NFL quarterbacks.
Okay. First of all, did you know Pete Crowe was Armstrong's mom?
So that's that talent you brought up? The Prospect the Cubs called up yesterday. His mom Is the mom In Little Big League. What? Yeah.
Really? I don't know. I should fact check it. I saw one tweet that said that. The ages don't seem to line up there.
Little Big League was how many years ago? Uh 91. If she was the mom in that, she's gotta be. She's 63 years old, Ashley Crowe. And her son just got to the majors?
Yeah, he's 21. She had him in her 40s. Good for her. All right. Can be done, I guess, huh?
Do you like Little Big League better than Rookie of the Year? Even well, you've been in both markets now. Uh No, I think rookie of the year was but honestly, I don't remember Little Big League all that great. The name definitely ran. What was Little Big League about?
Which one was that? 12-year-old takes over as manager. Oh, I do remember that. No, give me rookie of the year. Hmm.
Yeah. Little big league's better. If you say so, I think it's just the Cubs hate, but if you say so. No, no, no. I mean, it's good.
It's good. It's good. All right. So that was the Brewers Cubs arbitrary chopping eating. I don't care about anything else.
Get me out at the end of September, and we'll do more of that. Four quarterbacks I want to talk about. I know which. Can I guess which four before we get into it? Yeah, I think that I don't.
Yeah, it's Joe Burrow.
Okay. Deshaun Watson. Give me the four. You know the four. Yeah.
It's Rogers, Allen, Love, and Fields, right?
So, where do you want to start? Let's start with Fields and Love.
Okay. And I was conversating with a Bears fan, and I you're not all the same, I get it. But he was very upset. And he goes, Love sucks. And he beat us.
Love doesn't suck.
Okay. Now we only saw really one game. And how much of that was system? How much was love? I mean, when love fumbled the football, picked it up, and threw it, that looked pretty good to me.
Yeah, he was 15 for 27. That means 12 incompletions.
Okay. There were times when he tried to run the football, and I think he legitimately thought he was a train because his running style is terrible. But I feel very good about Justin. Jordan Love as my quarterback. Justin Fields.
I've thought has been very good. I loved him coming out of Ohio State. I was very fan. You were a very fancy. you you could get down with.
Very upset when you guys took him. He's never He's never, he's this is like the worst possible scenario for him. New team. Coach and GM that know they're getting fired. Don't start him, start him.
Are you like I don't have a question, so just talk about that. No, I that's I. I know where you're going with this part, and you've set me up perfectly for how I feel about this whole quarterback. Because I got to tell you, I know that the Bears, whatever. I've never been like, this was just a different sort of happy that I felt.
Oh, I get it. I get it. Jordan Love doesn't suck. Because of how cocky Bears fans were. Jordan Love doesn't suck.
Um, but I'll from from day one, what I've said, and I think one thing. You can give me credit for Bart is yes, I'm a Bears fan, but I also I I know what it is when it comes to the Bears and the Packers. And the Bears are just. A terrible franchise. Top to bottom, they're a terrible franchise.
It starts with ownership and it trickles all the way down to what we see on the field. And I've said from day one that the Bears drafted Justin Fields and the Packers already had Jordan Love. Justin Fields is the better prospect. He's the more talented guy. He has more tools, whatever cliche you want to use when you're talking about quarterbacks.
Justin Fields is the better raw ball of clay of the two guys for somebody to work with. But the Packers know what to do with quarterbacks. The Packers. No, the Packers would have drafted Fields. It's a year apart, right?
Yes. Both those guys in the same situation, Justin Fields turns out to be the better quarterback. If that was Justin Fields' first start as QB1 and Jordan Love was a quarterback for the Bears, the Packers would have won the game. Yes. Yes.
The Bears break quarterbacks. The Packers develop them. We have this notion, this idea that great quarterbacks just fall from the sky being great quarterbacks. No, man. They have to be put in position to succeed.
They have to be coached up. They have to be developed. And the Bears don't know how to do that. They haven't known how to do that. My whole life, Bart.
I don't know if I've ever seen the full potential of a Bears quarterback. And I'm not saying Jay Cutler would have been a Hall of Famer. I'm not saying Mitch Trubisky would have looked like the number one pick or number two pick in the draft and worth all the draft picks that they traded to go up there and get them. I'm just saying I don't know that I've ever seen the full potential of a Bears quarterback. And I don't know that I'll ever see the full potential of Justin Fields.
And I've felt that way from day one. And it was never a knock on Justin Fields, it was a knock on the Bears. As an organization, and what they do to every quarterback that they ever get their hands on.
Meanwhile, the Packers, it's not just that Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre fell from the sky and were great for the Packers from day one. No, they knew how to mold those guys into the quarterbacks that they were. And not to take any credit away from them, players need coaches. Coaches need players. Everybody needs, and this isn't just a sports thing, everybody needs a good environment to work in to succeed.
And the Packers know how to give that to their quarterbacks. And the Bears just don't, and never have, and possibly never will in my lifetime is where I'm at right now.
Well, that's a bummer. And I think that if I were to take over for the Bears. One of the things I've been saying this week is why the win was so satisfying for me. was like this division. I mean, I hate Minnesota.
So much. But I didn't hear a word from Minnesota this offseason about the Packers. The Lions are super focused. On being good. Looks like they are.
The Packers are doing their own thing. The Bears. I would take over and I'd say. Look. The word Packers doesn't exist.
I don't want, if I hire you as a GM, I don't want you saying we're going to do two things around here: win the North and beat the Packers. We don't know enough feeding the poor, all these scraps. No more Packers. Don't interview about the Packers. Hey, it's Bears Packers week.
What do you think? Honestly, we just need to win a football game. You know, it doesn't matter who we play against. I would just like. They're nine, they're 0-9 against LaFleur for.
Christ's sakes. Yeah. He's not that good.
So I would just take. The like eternal sunshine Packers. Out of their mind.
Okay, and just be the bears. And when you see the G on the other side of the field, Make it stands for Germantown or something different. Because you got it, the impression with the Packers. It's only going to get worse. And the fact that they lost this game, like.
I think they'll beat Tampa this week, maybe. I don't know. I don't know, Bart. Beginning of the year, their schedule, seven and a half wins over. was the lock.
No, maybe not. I had lower expectations than most. I thought seven. Maybe eight wins.
So I was right in line with what Vegas was saying with the seven and a half. But I had a lot of Bears fans, and I think this is where you were about to go with it when you said you didn't hear anything from Minnesota all offseason. I know there were a lot of Bears fans, I know a lot of Bears fans personally. who got their hopes up coming into this season. My expectations were lower than a lot.
And what I saw in week one is making me temper my expectations even more. The defense was trash. The offensive line is trash. You got DJ Moore gave up the number one pick for him and orchestrated two targets to him over the course of four quarters of football. I've seen 18 games of Luke Goetze as the offensive coordinator have yet to be impressed by a game plan or his development and coaching of Justin Fields.
Sorry, what'd you say? Who did you say? Luke Getze. No, it's pronounced Luke Getzy. Luke Getze.
I'm yet to be impressed by that guy. And you came out in week one against your arch rival in what was supposed to be a new era in Bears football with Aaron Rodgers being gone and just came out totally flat, which is an indictment on Eberflus, and all of this is an indictment. On the GM that they hired last year, Ryan Pulse. I don't see. I don't see them building anything here, Bart.
And I think it goes deeper than the Bears and Packers and being scared by the G on the helmet. I think the Packers are just a much better organization, top to bottom. Not just the product that you see on the field. They're a better organization top to bottom.
Well, they made a pretty good trade this offseason. Uh trading Four plays of Aaron Rodgers for a couple of picks. I um I was I was really excited. I was excited for a couple things. I was excited to watch Rogers be bad.
But I was also excited to like want him to be bad and then He had a good week and then I'm all flustered about it. I was just excited to feel. You know? him getting hurt. It takes the fun out of Jets Cowboys, Rogers McCarthy.
It takes the fun out of Jets. Uh Chiefs, Jets, Eagles. There's all these games that were gonna be like super fun. and takes the fun out of it i don't know that he's ever going to play again I think he'll try. Yeah, I don't know, man.
I I don't know if you uh I think it's hard for a guy as good as him and with as much pride and ego as he has to go out on a cart for his last NFL game. But I also think he's, and he gets, he catches some flack for this. He's a guy with a lot of perspective and thoughts about things away from the football field. And given a whole offseason, a whole season off the field and contemplating this injury and entering his 40s. It might be the last time that we see Aaron Rodgers on a football field.
I don't know that that's out of the realm of possibility, but yeah, I'm with you, Bart. I like watching the guy play football, all the BS aside, and some of it. I see eye to eye with Aaron Rodgers, and a lot of it I disagree with him vehemently, but all that BS aside. I enjoy watching the dude play football, no matter what uniform he's wearing. And it was tough for me to say that.
I just dropped my phone. Tough for me to say that for a long time, being a Bears fan and watching him play for the Packers. But I do love watching the guy playing. I got to edit all this shit out. That injury sucks.
I demand perfection on the show. I'm sorry, I dropped my phone. My bad. And honestly, Bart, like, I know, look, man, there are jokes. There's always jokes.
Anything can be joked about. And I laughed at some of them last night, but The actual like genuine I hope not all of them. There were some. Bad ones. There are some bad ones.
And but beyond jokes, like I was out last night, I went to an open mic. The actual actual pure and real joy that a lot of Packers fans, not all of them, but a lot of them that I saw in person and on social media. That was a bad look for the Packers fan base last night, man. And for a lot of you, a lot of you made yourselves look bad last night. I don't think there was a lot of joy that Rogers was hurt.
Oh, there was. No. No, you can't. You're not going to deny that, are you? I was on Twitter last night.
I know you were on Twitter last night. There were people.
Well, there were people cheering at the bar because they were going to get free drinks and then. They didn't. Yeah, even that. You don't care a man getting hurt. That's not cool.
You do if it's going to give you $300 worth of free booze.
Okay. Those people deserve to have to pay for their drinks. That was karma coming back around, is all that was. That was a bad look for a lot of Packers fans yesterday. And that's the one that's been a good thing.
There was one best fan there at Jax. I hope the bar at least covered his tab. Is there one Jets fan that you saw on TV? I saw a guy wearing a Packers 12 jersey standing right behind one of the news reporters. That was out there.
I don't know if he was rooting for it. I don't know what the deal was, but. There was There is there is a a significant faction of Packers fandom yesterday that was making the rest of y'all look bad. I won't say a majority, but there was a significant faction of y'all that was making the rest of y'all look bad and how you were celebrating that man going down with an injury yesterday.
Well, I'm choosing to be blind to it. For it does not fit my narrative. I saw a lot of it and heard a lot of it. We've fought about Josh Allen before. Uh-oh.
I think you just froze up on me, Bart. I'm right here. You're back. I'm sure you're made to perfection on this ship. Yeah, well Tim Shea will edit it and post.
Okay, good. Um Watching Josh Allen on Monday night have four turnovers. Oh, Josh Allen, you said. Yeah. He was so bad.
How bad was he?
Well, he was so bad. It proved me right. Wait. Yeah. Yep, you think it proves you right, because you always said Josh Allen was bad.
And it proves you right. It proves me right. Because Josh Allen has such a good few years on tape. that we can look at his game and be like That was a bad game. Yeah.
This makes, I have to. I need my editor. I need a professional editor, but there's a theory here that I'm working with. Wait, so you're saying because he's looked so good. Yeah.
That that's how we know last night was bad? Yes, I'm saying. You because the guy I saw last night was shit. Yes. Yes, he was.
But the guy you've been talking about. That's so you. I saw last night what you've been seeing this whole time. Precisely what I've been saying. But you've been wrong the whole time.
Nobody else, short of Nick Wright and a couple other people on Twitter. Have seen, which is that there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and there's a lot of fool's gold and a lot of that success that Josh Allen had early on. And then on top of that. You had, you know, the Golden Boy narrative that was out there, and y'all just follow QB narratives like sheep. Like Tom Brady is the goat, like Aaron Rodgers is a bad guy and did the Packers wrong, like Josh Allen is the next big thing.
And I could have told you all three of those things were wrong, but people like you, Bart Winkler, won't listen to me. Do you realize that Josh Allen is averaging two turnovers a game? Since the start of last season, do you realize Josh Allen has turned the ball over more than anybody in the NFL since coming into the league, not just in the last two years? Do you realize that Josh Allen has consistently been a terrible decision maker in the red zone, near the end zone, and in big game situations, short of one shootout he had with Patrick Mahomes that went to double or triple overtime that forced them to change the overtime rules? And he's gone on to lose in every overtime he's played in since they changed the overtime rules for him.
The dude has been overhyped. And a lot of y'all. Bought the fool's gold. And it's time for you to have a come to Jesus moment and say Ramy was right about Josh Allen. All of you out there need to have that moment and say Ramy was right and Josh Allen ain't all that.
I don't like the access. that people like you are privy to these days. Um, you need true football minds like me. Yes. You guys use all these stats like turnovers and Win loss.
When I was growing up, we saw a guy play like that. We called him a gunslinger and gave him three MVPs in a row. Because I'm a big Brett Favre guy, and that's the name that a lot of people will throw at me when I tell them the problems in Josh Allen's game. The difference between Josh Allen and Brett Favre. is that when Brett Favre made bad decisions, In big situations, it wasn't him panicking and just throwing the ball up in the air or running into a pile of defenders and fumbling.
That was him going, nah, I'm good enough to make that throw. Josh Allen panics. Josh Allen makes terrible decisions. And I've been saying, I remember in his second year in the league, an interview I watched, and I've tried to find it, Bart, because people don't believe me. I can't find it.
And I don't care if you believe me or not. I remember an interview with Josh Allen in his second year in the league, and he admitted. He said, in big situations, the game gets too fast for me. And I need to slow it down. That wasn't what was going on with Brett Favre.
The game was moving plenty slow for Brett Favre. He just saw windows he thought he could fit the football into that he couldn't. And the reason that those two, that that's an important distinction to make is because a lot of the time. And it's a classic Brett Favre thing. Y'all would be going, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes.
Because those were the types of decisions that he would make. And sometimes it would turn into a big play, and sometimes it would turn into an interception that costs you a game. With Josh Allen, it's just pure panic. And the game gets too fast for him, and he doesn't know what to do. Those are two very different things when you talk about the types of mistakes that those two guys make.
I think uh Jose Rami was right. I think it's possible. But I don't wanna Josh Allen won me back-to-back fantasy league, so I'm a little bit. See, and I don't blame you. I don't blame you if that's the case.
You have you have ties, you have loyalties to the man. But like he was the worst quarterback in week one. He's he yeah. He fumbled the ball. Remember when I said love fumbled and picked it up and threw a 40-yard pass?
Josh Allen fumbled the ball. Ran three yards and then fumbled it again. And that was his fourth turnover. Told you, he's averaging two turnovers a game since the start of last season. And when Brian Dable left for the Giants to take that head coaching job, his offensive coordinator, I said, look out.
Watch out for Josh. If you have Josh Allen on your fantasy team, just watch out because Brian Dable could have been the magic on the Josh Allen take. Brian Dable tried to get Daniel Jones killed on Sunday night. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.
Like I d I if I was in New York, my tweet would have gone viral. I said that In most Episodes of Law and Order. He would have been tried so easily for man one that you know there would have been another. Wiz coming. Trying to get this guy killed.
But Brian Damon. I don't think Brian Dambel cares about Daniel Jones. I don't think he cares about Josh Allen either. He's trying to win football games, and he will risk the long-term future of his quarterback to do so. Uh one more thing.
The Comeback Player of the Year Award. I've kind of been on like a crusade against it. Just the idea of the award in general? It needs to be split or.
So like last year they gave it to Geno Smith.
Okay. What did Geno Smith come back from? Being bad. But he was never good. Fair.
You know what? You're right. He had two shitty years as a starter, sat for six years, then had a great year.
So maybe he came back. And then he's lucky. That He did that in a year where. Alex Smith. Didn't have to have his leg amputated.
And then he's lucky. That didn't happen to him in a year where... Eric Berry had cancer and came back and played. You have this award that's basically... Hey, you used to suck, now you're good, or congrats on not dying.
Yeah. Because people are going, I see all these predictions, and they're like. Oh, Russell Wilson is easily comeback player of the year. But that is a comeback because he was good, then bad. And then, if he comes back, he's back to being good.
DeMar Hamlin came back from the afterlife. If you don't get, yeah, I don't care if he's inactive week one. I don't care if he's inactive every week. He's on a football team. That's true.
If you're gonna say, if you're gonna say.
Well We've got to give it to Russ because he threw 13 touchdowns last year. And this year, if he has a good year, he threw 30. You're saying that Russell Wilson's year last year. Was so bad. It is worse than dying.
It's worse than dying. But here's, you say he came back from the afterlife part. I say. But did he? You see?
Mm. What are you saying? There's no afterlife? I'm saying. Is that to Mar Hamlin?
That's what I can say. You got me. I didn't know you were a truther. You got me. Where do you think we?
Oh, Stephen Colberry does this question. He goes, What do you think happens to us when we die? And the best answer was ever from Keanu Reeves. I agree. He goes.
All I know is that the ones who Remain, miss us very much. Yeah, the people who love us will miss us very much. And that was a good answer. That's a great answer. From a real sense.
Yes. True, I've heard this theory.
So, if we die, the energy goes somewhere. Yes, energy doesn't die. Energy either continues to be. But that doesn't mean that we don't. That doesn't mean.
Like I don't feel like when people are teaching you about death. That the first thing you should be taught is. You like go to school in the clouds and can eat candy whenever you want. And grandpa's there. That sounds great.
Why can't I have that? I never met my grandpa. I never met my grandpa. Why are you taking this away from me, Bart? I just w you know, I just wonder what happens when we die.
Cause someone's getting close. I was about to say, because you sound like you're about to. Is that why you're curious? I never cared. I never wondered.
I never cared. And then this cough hit me two weeks ago, and I'm like, Type in how to get will online. Can you do a podcast with grandpa from the clouds? Like, what is it exactly? What's going on?
I am not with you. Yeah. I gotta mute myself. And it feels like I'm being squeezed. Yeah.
Yeah. It feels like someone is squeezing me like a go-gurt tube. Please keep this in, Tim Shay. Don't add this up. Yeah.
Are you going to be what I always wanted to believe was. That we Die and then We like go back to wherever. And we know all the lives we lived. And then they're like What do you want to be this time? And then I'll be like.
I want to be like a. I want to be like a. Doc. And then you go then you go live as a duck. And then when you go back to the real place.
Oh no. Sweating. When you go back to the real place, Your duck experiences, you know, it all helps you. Sure. Of course.
So I hope that whoever I really am. They're like, what do you want to be? I just want to be some dumb Midwestern guy that Can't get hired in local radio. Yeah. I want those journeys and challenges.
Throw me a smoker's cough at 39 just for shits and gigs. And then just just do that. Are you going to be all right, bud? You okay? And make sure you give me a drinking problem, also.
Yeah. And make it in the era where there's this website where you can just get drunk and tweet anything you want into the world. That'll help. Then I help me learn lessons when I come back. Do you come back?
Does it have to be to this plane of existence? Is there like alternate universes where maybe like Twitter doesn't exist? You know, maybe. Maybe. Or d you know?
Tamar Hamlin actually didn't die. It may be. Yeah? If I could come back as anything, it'd be a tree. A tree?
Because you just sit there and like you just relax. That's like a 500 year like map. Let's fucking relax, man. It's a tree. I don't know if they have any consciousness.
I want to have consciousness. I probably Be a dog, but that could be a sketchy situation. You might end up in a shelter, might end up being a stray, you know. That's uh I feel like human is the best, honestly. Does that make you feel any better?
That we got the best roll of the dice, Bart. Getting to be humans with awareness and. I think I should go. I think uh I think about that lunch. I'm pretty busy the next few weeks.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. All right. I actually don't, I don't, I don't eat anymore, so we might have to. Try something else.
Mm. Okay. Rami, thank you. Thank you, buddy. You got anything to promote?
Uh no, I don't actually. I got nothing to promote. Catch me out, you know, walking my dog in Bayview. Say hi if you see your guy. Nothing to promote.
Rami is tweeting. Are you? No, I haven't tweeted in weeks. Yeah. Goodbye, everybody.
Probably forever. We are going to hear some voicemails. Got a very juicy. Piece of audio from Ryan Horvat. I want to play.
For you guys. I am going to introduce you to Jake Newborn. I have been maybe, maybe you've already been familiar with them, maybe not, but I have been trying to introduce you if you haven't been to the Wisconsin Bike Fed. And everyone's like. All right, be safe on the roads, Bart.
What are you talking about?
Well, first of all, just be safe on the roads. And Jake's here to tell us about the Wisconsin Bike Fed. Jake. Hey, hey, hey, everyone. Good morning, everybody.
Wow.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come. You got to give me a better one if you're going to do it. Good morning, everybody. I like it. Yeah.
Yeah. Hey, I'm Jake Newborn with the Wisconsin Bike Fed. I'm the assistant director. I've been here for 16 years. I've been doing a little bit of everything in that time.
You know, our main mission, our goal is to really. Make biking safer for anyone who wants to be on a bike in the state.
So, whether that means doing education for kids or adults on how to ride safely, how to learn to ride. Or Doing PSAs and media around safe driving and yielding to pedestrians and giving three feet. We're just we're here to try and encourage and promote more people to get on a bike. It's a good time too, because as we've been talking about. you know, the it seems like summer goes till eight o'clock at night.
rapidly to like six. In an instant. And as that happens, people are, you know, maybe not. thinking about how other people are traveling or walking around. You know, with my dad, he's a big biker and he's down in Florida, and he'll go on like these 80-mile rides.
And, like, the most, think of Florida. Think of, you know, whatever you can think of in Florida: hurricane, elegators, whatever. The first mile and the last mile is always the most dangerous because that's when he's like by his house by the most people on the most roads. And so, what we're doing, Jake, is just reminding people. Don't hit them.
Like, watch out for them. Yeah, I mean, vulnerable users is what we call them: people on bikes, people walking. And if you've followed the trends, you know, not only here in Wisconsin, but nationally, the numbers of serious crashes and deaths are increasing. And one piece of that puzzle is, you know, those crashes are occurring more in those evening hours in the fall as that sun rapidly starts to set, and you may not be used to it.
So, right.
So, this campaign is really just about reminding people as that time starts to change that. Turn your lights on. As always, slow down, go with the speed limit, or slower. And be aware of your surroundings. You know, a lot of the times people are, you know, whatever, they're on their phone, they're laughing hysterically at the Bart Winkler show or whatever they're doing to distract themselves.
We all just need to pay attention. And, you know, this is really on everybody who's using the roads to do better.
Well, and one of the things that I've realized more over the last year just You know, I live five blocks away from where we take our kid. you know for for daycare And when I'm driving around the community. It's very car-focused, car-oriented. When you're walking And then soon we're gonna get him on his bike. When we're walking, and when you're in that different kind of mode of transportation.
The whole layout like looks different. you know and i think what i've noticed is if you're in a car Like if you're walking or biking, you notice everything. You notice every car and every car is suddenly a projectile and everything, like everything's dangerous, kind of. But if you're a car. You don't notice as much as they notice you.
So that's just something that we're trying to instill in him. Right. And the system's been built that way. I mean, to prioritize vehicles moving fast. And I think one of the things we're trying to encourage people is to, you know, also at the state level and local leaders' level, like, Let's think about People who are walking and biking, they deserve respect and dignity and be able to travel through our community without fear of these things.
And we need, I think we've done walkie's, you know, doing a good job specifically on. Starting to get there, but it's a long way, and it's a big uphill battle. And this campaign On the Bart Winkler show and other places, just one piece of that puzzle. All right, so you guys have been around for 35 years. Since the late eighties and Friday, September 15th.
You guys are kind of throwing yourself a birthday party. Yeah, we are having a birthday party here at our HQ on Bay Street, Bay and KK down in Bayview here, kind of below the wheel in Sprocket. Um We are having live 80s music by Mixtape. We are going to have drinks and food and like games with prizes. We're going to have a claw game.
We'll have putting golf putting for prizes, ring toss, all sorts of fun stuff. Family friendly, bring the kids. There'll be some free space for them to ride around and keep busy on their bikes. And you can come and register and pay day of and kind of do it all a carte. But we're ready for it.
It starts at 5 o'clock. Music will start about 6:30, and we'll be wrapping up by 9:30. And uh just enjoying, you know. Community, meet other people, talk about bikes, and have a good time. And this is just, you know, you can go to wisconsinbikefed.org.
as we've been talking about, and obviously there's a big party Friday. That you just mentioned, there's the whole lights on, slow down, look around campaign. But what you'll find too is just different programs that you guys have that people can. Uh, be a part of Jake. Yeah, I mean, we've got so many programs, I would have to take your whole show to name them all.
But again, I mean, we take kids on bike rides, we do bike repair for people in the community who need it. We do taking older people who can't ride themselves anymore on a try-shaw for rides, and a lot of state advocacy and kind of lobbying stuff too to get better laws and funding.
So, it's really diverse. We'd love to tell people in person and talk much more in depth about what we do and how we can all work together to make a better, safer Wisconsin for those on our roads. WisconsinBikeFed.org. Check out the party this Friday. I'm going to keep this part in.
What a natural you are, Jake. Picking it up where I'm like, I'm not sometimes I'm not even asking questions, I'm leading you right in. You just pick it up. What a pro. This is also the 40th take that we've done this.
Yeah, we've been at this all day, I think, actually. This was my whole Tuesday. I'm just kidding. One of my uh nicknames is Newsborn. And because I might have seen me also on the local news many times talking about bikes, if you recognize my face.
Or from the parade and Bucks Parade chair campaign, too. I was out there putting my chair up.
Well, that was appreciated and Mayor Barrett took it somewhere to. Lichtenstein or wherever the hell he went. I'll talk to the DPW. I got some connections. I'll see if I can't track down those chairs for you.
Oh, they're all compost now. I mean, they're all. If you could find one, though, that would be wow! What a treat! Jake Newborn, thanks, buddy.
Yeah, thanks, Bart. Appreciate it.
Okay, let's wrap up with some voice males. Why? This is not a voicemail. I text Horvat after Rogers went down. I said, We gotta talk on the show.
about Horbot.
So he sent me this video. And said, just play this. It's a minute of him walking through a parking garage. And he finds a person who he talks to.
So this is Horvat's message. From Monday night. Point proven tonight, East Coast don't. Fucking Midwest, where it's at. Whether you're a Bears fan, whether you're a Packers fan, Lions fan, Vikings fan, you guys have never won a Super Bowl.
Come on, school! School! You lost a fucking Baker Mayfield. Bunch of losers, you guys are. Aaron Rogers.
Get straight into the east coast Yeah. Good chance I get fucking stabbed going to my car. Here we go. Roger's dead. He's been on the East Coast for literally fucking 48 hours.
Rogers are already dead. What do you think, bud? All my family and friends are Jets fans.
Well, Rogers is dead. What do you think about that? I'm from the Midwest. We had him for 17 years. We protected him.
You guys had him for a quarter. You killed him. Jets has a bad luck. Jets have goddamn Jets, like Frankenstein tried to tell you guys, Jets are. I'm fucked.
I bet I'm to win the Super Bowl. How do you think that works out with Zach Wilson at quarterback? Fucking East Coast. I hate it. Hi.
hate the East Coast. If you're in the Midwest, stay there. Never come to the East Coast. Where good things go to die? I'll probably die tonight.
Fuck. I haven't heard from him since, so. It is possible he did die. Carls plays voicemails, you can catch those. By calling 402-915-125.
402-915-BART. Carl of et.com backslash Bart. Is where you can check out golf simulators. We just talked to Jake. The weather's a changing.
You want to golf in the winter? There's no other choice. You must buy a golf simulator. Carl of et.com backslash Bart. Here's brick.
From West Ellis. Hello, Bart, it's Brick and West Alice Colin. First off, I want to say it's super exciting to hear that you and your son are bonding over the Packers. Uh it's really cool. My Daughter's only two and a half and we put the game on and she likes dancing around and she'll clap whenever she sees anyone clapping on T V or hears tearing, but she'll say Go Pat Go and she'll say touchdown and herself and it's adorable.
And like you, I'm just since I'm a real dad, I'm a girl dad too. Yeah. So it's you know, it's exciting to kinda see them getting into the same stuff that you like and whether or not they actually know what they're doing. Excellent. It's not.
Speaking of Packers, obviously I don't know what else I can say about the Bears game that hasn't already been said. Um Except that The one thing that really stood out to me, other than the obvious, you know, Jordan Love offensive line play, is the. Play the defensive bat. They were They were flat around like they wanted to hit people.
So a lot of times D B's, like the guy down the flat and they'll just kind of dive at his D heater. You know, kinda. Half half ass, kinda hold them up and h wait for help. These DGs are flying around like they wanna hit people in the flat and over the middle and actually tackle and play a hard D, and I think that's going to be huge and important for that for that group. For this defense, let's just take them to the next level.
As for the Brewers, I I was going back and forth trying to keep up with the game, the Yankees game. It's super disappointing. They weren't able to finish it off. That South Freelick play was an all timer. Not to mention Joey Weaver being a champ, literally taking one in the mouth.
you know, for the team. And they couldn't they couldn't pull off. It's disappointing. But we're back on track and I think we're we're We're still looking good and I think we'll be all right. I'm just not sure what you do for your Post-season rotation.
Uh lastly Could we just play football and fucking grass, please?
Sorry to the whatever those kids are that are trying to keep track of however long it takes you to swear, but Can we just place the hole on fucking grass? Uh l hold on. Those are Dan Shaney's kids. And I'm happy to announce. that Dan Shaney has just saved Another one of you some money.
Charlie Potter. Tweeted. Just switched insurance through Dan Shaney. And I'm going to save close to $600 a year. Thanks for the connection.
Hashtag the Bart Winkler Show. A gif of Vince McMahon. COUNTING AND SNIFFING MONEY So That's all we're doing here is helping each other. That's all we've ever been doing. All right, everyone's mad about turf, I guess.
Go ahead. Family, get a A little bit of the the fake threads in there for the graphs, but it's not this stupid filament stuff. playing football on grass like it's supposed to be. I get why colleges or even high schools do it, right? Because it's cheaper to maintain once you build it.
It's easier to maintain, cheaper to maintain, but like in the billion dollar industry, if the MOS can scramble like crazy to put graphs in on short notice for vital message. I think the NFL owners can afford to put fucking grass on these It's it's bullshit. I'm maybe I'm just pissed because now we're not going to get a first home pick for the Rodgers Race. But And I feel bad I I feel bad for the guy. Like, I feel bad for anyone that has And just he's an engine ending in Green, which obviously we don't know yet.
But I mean that's that could be a career entry. You could just hang it out. Which it's tough. You hate to go out to see anyone go out like that, especially a guy that gave you some eight videos. All right, I'm rambling now.
I'm gonna let you go. Massive No, I think I think I think the voicemail let you go. With Rodgers, I do feel bad again that for like that they got hurt. I'm not Too concerned about like we traded Rodgers. We got Jordan Love.
Okay. Whatever draft compensation we got back for him. Bonus I know that that doesn't make a lot of sense. But that's just how I've always felt. All right, one for Matt in the Falls.
So on the live stream on Tuesday. Episode, which was taped Monday night. Jake had a non-alcoholic beer. And I accused him of You're just scratching the same itch? As those of us that crave the alcohol.
So I believe Matt has a comment. On that? Jake, NA beer? Really? Like, I mean, if you're just doing it to do it, then just have a beer.
Like, if if it's not because you're an alcoholic, then what? Fuck, are you doing? Like, why would you have. And a corona like. That but why not just drink your own piss?
Just go in the bathroom and just flush up a stream and just go right into your own mouth, like tub girl. Like, what the what is the point of drinking a non-alcoholic corona? I can't even wrap my brain around this because, like, one wouldn't have wanted wouldn't have. Doesn't it make you want to drink a real beer? Like that's, I mean, I'm I'm an alcoholic recovering and The thought of drinking an NA beer to me is the dumbest thing in the world.
So I just wanted to put that out there and agree with Bart 100% that NA beer is very stupid. I wanted to use the R-word. For Bart, you know. And yeah, that's it.
Well, not sports related, just had a voice in. I think the R-word. that he was referring to was Ridiculous. There's no other Such word that would Come out of Matt's mouth. All right, come hell or high water.
That's your episode. Got Paul and Grant later. Horvat this week if he's not dead. I did not include the Brewers Marlins series on this. I do apologize.
I'm sure you'll find You know what? Download Tim Allen's podcast. He's doing a good job. We liked him. All right, have a good one.
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