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Good. My bed, everybody. I'm Bart Winkler. Welcome to the Bart Winkler Show. Grant Bills is here from Mad City Sports, or whatever the fuck it's called.
Oh, that only took like 15 seconds for the first F-bomb. What's it called?
Sorry to Dan Shaney's kids. I work for the zone. That's so easy. That's just a station. You don't work for like the greater overarching network Yeah, we do have a network.
The sports. What's the network called? The Wisconsin Sports Zone Network. I don't have to spell this out for you. What did I say?
Med City Windows? Close Mad City Windows and Bath. We're re we're rebranding, yes. Oh. Uh and then Paul Imig.
From um Goodest of buddies, Incorporated. Yeah, LLC. From Better Call Paul LLC. Wow, wow, wow. Not much.
What's up with you, bud? I got a new job. We did. What is I did. What does that mean?
Tell us more.
Well, it's a little uncomfortable, kind of, to say, but I got a new job. After a long After a long search. Um You know, part of me was looking, part of me wasn't. The bank don't ruin my bit, you asshole.
Sorry. Mm-hmm.
Sorry. From the top, Tim, cut, and then we'll restart here. And three, two, one. Mark, what do you mean by it? Is that was actually what you were going to say?
Did I just ruin that? What I was going to say was. A job opened up at Batteries Plus. Yeah. And I have the role of Battery tester.
Yeah. What I will be doing is testing batteries. And making sure, and like, so I take the battery and I play it out with different products.
So I like if I play with a Game Boy, I play it. and keep track of how long The battery lasts. Take notes. Yeah, they take notes. Documented.
I'm going to do. A vlog. Oh, no way. A vlog. Are you going to do?
Are you like their AA battery guy, triple-A battery, or did they get you? Did you get both parts? Did you get both? Branches of they're not letting you start right away with the nine volts, are they? No, no, no, no, no, that's advanced work.
I got okay, so. It's the little beads that you put in a scale in your key fob. Those. Oh, I don't even know what those are called, but yeah. The hearing aid batteries.
I don't think this is the right sign language for it, but.
Alright, DK Metcalf, what does it mean? loose butthole.
So I I got I'm on I'm on full-time C D S. Also, not Batteries Plus.
Well, in addition to that, yeah, my days are going to be long, but We're going uh We're like the Brewers did in 97, we're taking this thing national. Um How long have you had that line prepared? That's really good. That's good. That's good.
Well, congrats, Bart. Genuinely. That is so, so, so exciting. And I gotta say, You know that I, uh... I think so highly of your ability to host local radio.
Over the last couple of months listening on CBS, I feel the same way about your national prowess. You are very good at it.
So, congrats. Yeah, it is a different dance. Let's blow smoke up parts, but here for a few minutes, shall we? No, no, I don't want don't no, no, but I'm gonna say one thing: I have texted you. Just, we're going to make him really uncomfortable, Grant.
So come up with another compliment. And said, like, when you, now, when you monologue on the Bart Winkler Show podcast, it's like. Alarmingly good talking to yourself because you were always more than any other radio host that I know. Like g you are a conversationalist. Like you're very talking about myself.
I know that, but tough. You're going to have to listen to this for a minute. You're very good at talking to Chuck and talking to Horba and talking to like your co-hosts and making it a part of an episode. Oh, I hate, I don't like doing solo radio. No, I know, but I'm telling you.
That I know that, and B, you've gotten very, very good at solo radio, even when you're just doing like a 10-minute open or a 20-minute open of the podcast. And I've texted you that, and I'm like, wow, like that for a guy that didn't like doing this, or maybe still doesn't. It's gotten very good.
So On behalf of the Winkler verse, I think Grant and I have to obviously. Very officially congratulate you because this is such an obvious move for CBS to all of us. It's nice to see that other people hear and see what we hear and see.
So, obviously, huge congrats, bud.
Well, thanks. Grant, your turn. Same goes for me, double. No, it's like it's like The same way that You know, nobody gets into baseball. to catch pop flies.
Mm-hmm.
You get in to be at the bat.
Okay.
So that's how when I'm solo, I look at that as I'm fielding. Boom. When I'm batting, that's the shit like this. Yeah. That I really enjoy.
Yeah. So solo hosting is it's insane person behavior. Like you need to have a discussion with yourself and then also like occasionally make fun of yourself and then laugh at yourself while you're making fun of yourself and then go back to it's insane. It's unhealthy. Yeah.
But it's fun. It's very fun. It's an art. Yeah. Well, thanks.
I have a bit of news. You know, as people, I have a bit of news. Personal news, Colin. Personal news. It's never personal news, by the way, when people do that.
It's always professional. I've entered the transfer portal. Oh, but. No, so the show's going to be. 10 to 2 Eastern, so 9 to 1 Central.
Uh 9 p.m. to 1 a.m. 9 p.m. to 1 a.m. Do you get to flirt with Amy Lawrence at the very end?
Little crosstalk on your way out. Oh, yeah. Do my contract, yes. Do you lead? You do lead into her show, then, yeah.
Yeah. Uh I guess the other details have come out or will come out, or I mean, I'm not 9 to 1. I will be on 1250 for the Milwaukee area. Awesome. But I'm also on every market around here.
Mm-hmm.
So I can pull that up. Every station runs. 9 p.m. to 1 a.m. Yeah, there's no local programming.
In lessons. Unless it's like the brewers. Uh Yeah, if the Brewers play, I'll get kicked off by certain places. Yeah, for two hours, but now with Rob Manford's new rules, we barely miss any part of your show.
So where am I on? I'm on in Milwaukee. I'm on in I'm on Appleton on W D U Z. Oh, okay. In Green Bay.
So I'm on there. Uh one oh seven five I'm on in Madison on the zone. You better get into it, yeah. Grant, we're co-workers. I love because anytime you're in for Gelb, you come right out of.
Right out of my show into yours. I'm all lacrosse on WKTY. That's all that really matters. In Wausau, I'm Ryan Lander. I'm on WJJQ, the sports queue.
The sports queue. I'm in Superior. God wish I was ESM. That's a dream. Yeah.
So there you go. There you have it. All right, real quick. Um I want you to give your acceptance speech. And the 9 p.m.
to 1 a.m. slot on CBS radio goes to. Jackson in the Bart Winkler.
Well, Barnard, come on up. Thank you. Thank you. Or I'll be like how will fare. I'll just come out dressed like a.
abominable snowman for no reason. I know, I saw the thank yous, like, it's too long. Is a cop-out, but It is. I think.
So the podcast will still in some way or shape or form. We're not. I'm not done, done, done with the podcast. I think that was something I should have addressed a little earlier. Podcast isn't over.
I'm going to have to change the name of it. Uh Winkler verse. The Barton grief. The bart brave. The bart break.
Bart's brief. Diary of a battery plusman. Yeah. But this is this is so when I first have talked about this, let me just do this real quickly. I don't want to.
When I lost Employment. This became an option because of the many people that said, hey, you should give it a try. And I kept it as a daily thing, which you guys kept as a routine in your lives. You know, maybe not every day, maybe after Packer games, whatever. But in the morning, Bart was on the radio.
Or your audio platform, and you need to find it.
So, without people listening, Thing, I wouldn't have continued. Like, I needed listenership first, and I wouldn't have continued. And there's a lot of you guys that I have been able to meet, some that still like emerge out of the shadows, like every couple of whenevers, and all of it's good. All of it's good, and you're all part of it. Then sponsors came on board.
Everyone that sponsors the show. Is a listener. Everybody is listening to the show and they've come on and they've sponsored the show. And you didn't make me seek out any Awkward, like cold calling. It was, hey, we want to support this, and I want to connect, and I, and then you guys, for like, You know, Dan Shaney uses SunAnt Interactive now for his website and that kind of stuff.
Is really, really cool.
So That's been really fun. Everybody who's come on and given their time, whether it's in the comments or the videos. You guys for doing this every week. The Tim Shea, the Tim Shays of the world, as if there's more than one. Um you know everybody has jumped on everybody that's been a part of this in any way.
I don't I don't I don't not Recognize what role. You've played in this. I do want to keep it going. It will look different. Which means I'll do it less.
Um But I do still want I want to find a time every week. where I do. like a live whatever and then we can take Colors Maybe I don't know. I don't I gotta figure that out Um This will be the last week of shows of 2023. I'm going to take.
Off for the holidays.
So, no Packer post on Panthers game. Unless they lose, then I might have to fucking do something. New Year's Eve is my anniversary, so that's already out the window. And then I'll start. I'll be on after the college football games on January 1st.
You'll be on CBS National Radio.
So like Everyone's invited to I have to counseling this podcast. Uh I have to assume the vast majority, vast, vast majority of your Winkler versus weld. We'll follow you over. Why would they not? You might just have to talk a little bit more Yankees and Jets than you're used to.
Oh, I talk a lot of college football on that show.
So, watch out.
Alright, so I know just tell me when so I know which parts to skip.
Now you don't have to talk about baseball. Yeah, you probably draw more baseball.
Well I mean, I guess. NBA college football, NFL. Be ready to break down. National baseball talk is kind of baseball is fun to talk about. People rip on baseball, but either you're screaming about a brewer game every day, which is fun, or you're like talking about the big topics of baseball, which is also fun.
Get ready to break down that Yamamoto contract. Um Jesus. I hate baseball. Don't leave with that on your show. I want to shout out again Happy Place Hemp, not only for their partnership, but for the gummies I had last night to help me sleep.
So we're trying to make lifestyle changes. We're trying to, we're trying to, we got to the gym.
Well, I went last Friday and my legs have been sore since, so I don't I haven't been back. But also I'm trying to have less alcohol.
So during the week. And with this new job, like, I'm not going to come home and. It's one thing to like. Come home at nine. Have a drink at 10.
That's one thing. To come home at 1:30. And then have a drink when your family's in bed. That is something for a doctor to hear.
So, the gummies will be what helps me sleep the most. I will take those. It's the CBD, CBN ones. I was actually in the store the other day. College court in Muskego, and a guy came in and he goes.
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Um And then the guy, Chris, was like, How did you hear about us? And I was like, please say, Bart Winkler Show. Please stay Bart Winkler Show. And the guy's like, oh, I was just across the street at Maddie's for lunch one day, and I saw your place. I'm like Please let that count in the order.
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Mm-hmm.
I didn't write this first one. My buddy did. He didn't mean it to be a question, but he sent it to me and I said, I'm stealing that. That's mine now. Try.
Joe Berry. More like Dingleberry. Mm-hmm.
Or mm-mm. All right. I know you've done the Joe Berry thing. On your Obviously the post-game on. Sunday into Monday and I saw your Tim Shea Tuesday post.
I haven't listened to it yet, but apparently it starts with some Joe Berry talk. Leading into a game against the 2-in- 12 Panthers. We need to at least tie a bow. Um This Joe Berry thing because I don't think we can discuss local sports as a threesome here today until we've at least. I don't know, beat the dead horse over the head a couple more times.
So. Joe Barry, one of the things I said, and I'm not. I'm not answering that question. That's whatever. I just, I just, it was just my intro.
I told him I was going to use it. And then that, but it talked about Joe Berry. Uh Do they still make friends? How about this? How about this?
I'll ask it for real just to at least give you a premise. No, you're good. He said, talk about Joe Barry. I'm good. Go all right, rock and roll then.
Joe Berry. I think what's important here. is that there's a lot of um like ways to look at it. And I think looking at it the Lafleur way Is a way that I wish I didn't. By Google.
The longer they keep Joe Berry, the more of a stain that is on the floor. Like, what are you doing? That is absolutely it's like And if he's and everyone's like, oh, they're really good friends. No, they're not. They don't.
No, they don't they haven't They've been in like the same NFL circles. But they're not like great friends. And if he's this. protective of him. How's he this is why I don't want a Mike LaFleur on this staff.
Or a Robert Sala on the staff. Because if you're this protective of Joe Berry, Howard and Joe Berry, and here you're saying. It's like there are two different LeFleurs where he's being asked. About the defense, and he goes, We got to clean some stuff up. There's a lot of stuff going on that I don't like.
This is happening, this is happening. And then, when he's asked about Joe Berry. It's like he can't connect that Joe Barry's running. The defense. And the other thing about this, why I think, and what point we've gotten to.
Is when Brandon Staley got fired from the Chargers. Everyone knew. It didn't matter if you were an NFL insider. It didn't matter if you just, that was the game you watched. You knew Basically, like you can feel.
Oh, this is like when you watch a law and order, and it's okay. That guy's the killer. I mean, he's going to be the killer. Like, it's obvious. Oh, that coach is getting fired.
Brandon Staley running off the field. He knew that was the last time he was going to, like, you could see it. He knew it was going to be the last time he was a Charger.
So What I said earlier this week was. You've got the guys like me who are always like, you know, we're, we're doing, we're. But the when the beat Writers. And not the ones that try to be superstars. But when the actual beat writers that try to cover the team on the beat as it was Decreed how to do so way back in yesteryear.
Like Silverstein and Huber. Exactly. Silverstein, Doherty, Huber. Yep. And Willie to an extent, although he does.
He's got an on-air role. Willie walks that line pretty well, I feel like. I don't think of him as a gas bag radio guy like us. He walks the line. I don't either.
I attacked Willie early on. I don't really know him. Willie does a good job of doing both, I feel like.
So Whatever. I'm obviously sub Shitting on Matt. But Everyone else. But they all like wrote articles this week. He needs to get the fuck out of here.
And when it's approached that, Paul, you've been on the beat. When it's approached that, it's like... Then you're done. And when the onion makes fun of you, then you're really fucking toast. Yeah, I don't know if you've mentioned that yet on your pod, or if you will have by the time.
this airs on maybe Thursday, but The Brandon Staley comparison and then the fact like The onion piece of it for Brandon Staley, it's equally as applicable because, like, It was so obvious that Staley had coached his last game. It was so obvious that. Joe Berry. Should have just coached his last game, that it became national satire. That is like you crossed what is that?
You crossed the lexicon or whatever that phrase. Like when Sean McDermott got made fun of on SNL. Yes, you've crossed into that next level of like, oh, like something is here, like that. That this is now national. discussion And um Again, the other question I want to ask, but I'll...
It is, it is. clearly an indictment of LaFleur as a leader. There's just no question to that. Yeah. And I don't know if that's going to prevent him from ever winning a Super Bowl as the head coach of the Packers.
LaFleur does other things very well. Um But it does concern me. If I was Mark Murphy, who maybe had an opinion in this, I don't know. He's apparently, if he still has the same role he did a few years ago, Murphy, that is, then. Maybe he and Goudekinst and LaFleur had a Had a three-person meeting and they came to this conclusion as a trio.
If that's not the case, And I was Mark Murphy.
Now, granted, I'm. I only have, if I'm Mark Murphy, I only have seven months left on the job before I'm retiring. But. Or is it a year and seven months? Is he out in the summer of 24 or the summer of 25?
I think he's out after the draft.
Okay, so he's going out. Yeah. I would be like, it's concerning to me. That LaFleur had the press conference that he did Monday. That's cons I as his Unofficial boss or leader of the franchise, I can be like, oh, like, this was your moment to do the obvious thing.
Um, but instead, no, so um Grant, Joe Berry.
Well, I don't know that firing him this week would have been. any better For the defense winning football games and competing. Like, I don't know if firing Joe Berry this week would have improved the product on the field. May I interrupt? But It would show accountability.
If a player hold these guys accountable.
So wait, but like the Monday Night Football game that was recently. Who was it there time on the Seahawks? Reek Wallen, where he got benched for the entire first quarter. In the Seahawks secondary. And the broadcast and Buck and Aikman, they were talking about, like, well, you know, it's a suspension, quote-unquote, suspension.
It's, you know, a guy that needs to whatever, like, It was something that happened. as a result of performance that was inadequate. They didn't cut Reek Wollen, like, but like, and so that's kind of what I'm saying in terms of. Would the Packers be better for the last three games of the regular season without Joe Barry? I don't know.
Maybe, maybe not. But like, if you're a player or you're another coach, you're like, oh, this guy ain't going to cut me. He's not going to do shit. I don't really respect this guy because he's weak. He's weak.
I'm going to keep walking all over him. He's weak. I think that's the perception. I don't need a head on a spike just for the sake of putting a head on a spike, unless. The locker room is like falling apart.
And as we've been recording this, Devondre Campbell tweeted something really weird. He's like, I'm not playing through injuries again. They hold it against me, blah, blah, blah. It's like. Unless this locker room is confused and frustrated.
And headed south, unless there's accountability with Joe Berry. I think it's fine. Let him coach the rest of the season. Um It's not like he doesn't have a back end, he doesn't have a secondary.
So, while I'm frustrated with him and I don't think he's the guy of the future. I don't think it's fair to expect at this point in the season a top 10 defense. What's really frustrating, and I guess this is really only. The thing that I want to say about Joe Berry is: I listen to Matt LaFleur's press conference and I just get pissed. Because these reporters are like.
Do you think Joe Berry should still be here? Why do you think Joe Berry should still be here? And Matt defends this and then defends that. And then unprompted, Goes like, well, there's too, but the communication's got to get better, and way too many big plays. And it's like, Matt, listen to what you're saying.
Like, go back and watch this press conference. You're saying that, well, I got to get more involved in making sure their community. Man, you got to watch your own. He doesn't want to dump them.
So he's trying to make him dump. He's trying to make, he thinks that Joe Berry will just. Realize it and then at the end of the season be like, Matt? I'm gonna step aside. And then Matt's gonna be like, oh no, really?
He did this with this is the same thing that happened with Patton. Yeah. It went on too long. It's like if a round before that, really, yeah. It's like if a friend were to call me and be like, my relationship's not good.
I'm like, oh, tell me about it. And then they're like, well, she's really mean to me and we're never happy. Like, we haven't even, like, we haven't made love in months. And I hear her late at night, like, in another room, talking to other men on the phone. And I was like, wow.
Do you think it's best that you guys stay together? Like, it sounds like maybe you guys should part ways. Oh, no, I think it's what's best. We're going to work through it.
Okay.
And then my friend keeps complaining about, well, and also, like, she doesn't pay her half of the rent. And it's like, okay. You guys can stay together, but now don't complain to me about all the things that she does that annoys you. Right. And with Matt LaFleur, it's the same thing.
It's like you want this guy so bad, and yet all you do is complain about this and that in every press conference when he comes up.
So, I don't know. You can keep him if you want, but then don't stand up there and bitch about all the shit that he's. Doing wrong and all the struggles that your defense is having. I don't want to hear it. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. I don't know. It's just really frustrating. I think, like, I don't think it's. personal to Joe Berry necessarily.
I think their talent is overrated and watered down with injuries and with the trade of Rasul Douglas. I think everything's got to go. every assistant we're the worst I think like People want him fired.
So that he's fired. I think there is some worry. that he might Somehow not get fired. Yeah. You mean like after the season?
Like, we need to see him fired.
So that he's fired. Yeah. Because after 2024. Like there's still a chance. That he's their defensive quarter.
Cheer. Despite all this, as long as he's not fired. There's still a chance that he doesn't get fired. Did you see the Pro football focus rating. It was the worst.
Pass coverage team, the Bush team pass coverage rating in the pro football focus era, which is like 12 years. In a single game. No team's defensive pass coverage has had a worst grade. It's the lowest it can be. Like Baker Mayfield couldn't have a higher passer rating.
The Packers' pass coverage defense could not have. A worse rating. And like I don't say this flippantly. because Baker Mayfield should get credit. For the pitch and catch that he was part of.
but literally any NFL relatively competent level quarterback. would have had that day. 90% of those completions were not like, oh, and he just fit it in a tight window. And oh, it was so close. It was Here's Eight plus yards of freedom on any side of the receiver.
Just kind of lob it to him, and it went high. If I always like to say. If the guy was trying to get fired. What would he have done different? How would he have coached him up?
I like that philosophy and it's exactly true here. I mean, he coached him like he had Baker Mayfield in a playoff fantasy matchup, is what he coached him like.
Well, what's insane is they got five sacks. And they forced one pun. That's That's unbelievable. This defense is about get one negative play here and there, catch him in a bad spot, and then take advantage. But they didn't take advantage.
They had him in second and 20 a couple of times throughout the game, and they instantly gave it up. I almost, I don't, I say this. Almost not as a joke. I think an opposing offense against the Packers is better off. Um Third and 16, then third and three.
Okay.
I'm serious. No, you're right. I would love to break down the numbers of like third and hella long versus third and short and see if it's really any different, or if, in fact, like the third and long is a higher chance of success for the offense against the Packers. Did you guys see the down and distance tweet from Paul Noonan? I don't know this one.
Monday morning.
So the Packers' defenses had opposing offenses in second and 20 or more. 11 times this year, and they've allowed a gain of 18 plus yards four times. Oh, four of them, so almost 50, closing in on 50. Half of the time they give up 18 yards on a second. And that's what that's why, Grant.
So I'm going to compare the analogy to like when early in the season, when we're like, like LaFleur, you have to take the training wheels off of Jordan Love. We don't know if he's good or not because you're not letting us find out. You're not letting, maybe, are you being protective? Because you know he's not like all those questions. Granted, something you said a little bit ago about, like, well, it's like, look, yes, but look at the players that Joe Barry has to work with for sure.
But Me and you could have done the job of what the defensive backfield did in that game because it wouldn't have mattered. Yeah. We weren't put in a position to show how bad you and I would have been. We just were told to kind of stand in this general area. in the wrong general area.
And so, like, at least, like, I saw, I don't know who tweeted this, but it's an obvious thought that I also had. It was like, Just go man coverage, and if they get burned, they get burned, and just like live with that, because at least you can then know it was just like, well, we got to. Manned. Not we got out schemed. And like that that's what I'm appreciative of LeFleur with Love.
in the past month and a half is like he said okay like i'm you know i'm just gonna If love fails, he fails. If he succeeds, I'm going to get out of his way. Yeah. Joe Berry is being so. Passive.
That we don't even like, probably the defensive backfield Stokes and Valentine development would get burned. But we don't even know that because it wasn't like they weren't even allowed to. They might get burned a few times, but then they might make a couple plays. Like, I'm a believer that, especially with corners who are wired, we agree that corners are wired a little different, right? Like, they are this, they're this breed.
I think you need to allow them. to cock off and go one-on-one and play.
Sometimes at least. And maybe that's man, maybe whatever coverage it is, you need to allow players with that headspace. To lock in and to go one-on-one with someone, because that keeps them engaged. Right, and you're tapping into the part of their personality that makes them good at their position. And when you have all those guys standing in a patch of grass.
Like, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with his own defense, but you're not making that mental switch for those guys. And I think it frustrates them. It's like, I want to hit someone, I want to compete, I want to talk trash. And when you have them standing out in a patch of grass, that That part of their game is muted, it's taken away. And if you listen to, like, and if you're one of the wide receivers, too, it's not like you just got.
Chipped at the point of like, okay, so is that hut? And then you like, okay, I'm gonna give you a little bit of contact, wide receiver, and then you can kind of go into our zone coverage. It's like, Eight yards off and soft zone.
So it's like if you're a receiver, you're like, this is great. I'm not getting bumped, I'm not getting thrown off route. I can do whatever I want. Like, they're just literally letting me do whatever I want. I think the biggest problem.
Well well. The biggest organizational issue with this, and I talked about it with the accountability. I would be concerned. I mean, as a viewer, as a fan, I'm concerned that. LeFleur doesn't have That gene.
I think it's confirmed at this point. He doesn't have that. You are the weakest link. Goodbye, Gene. He doesn't have it.
Like, that's just not. He doesn't have that gene. I think that's troublesome. Like long term, like forget this season. I think long term, that's a problem.
Well, I don't know, just to put a pin this, but. When he's like, Yeah, the defensive communication is bad. I'm going to have to make sure I'm involved with that. It's like, no, no, that's not what I want. Like, you got your own, you're coaching a bunch of kids on offense trying to figure out.
How to win football games for the first time. And now you need to check in in defensive meetings to make sure they understand checks and calls. Like, get the fuck out of here. I know Mark is my first name. And why does he think that's the solution?
Why does he think that's the thing? No. Do you remember, Grant? You were probably in high school, but like when McCarthy gave up play calling for 13 games one season, 2015 was that?
Something like that, right? I was you were on the beat at the time. I was. And so he was coming off the season in which. I mean, there were several communication challenges on the sideline.
There was that one game where McCarthy didn't know that Clay Matthews wasn't in. All the details are fuzzy in my head. It was a playoff game. He's like, oh, like, I didn't even realize I should have done this, I should have done that, because McCarthy was so consumed in the offense. Then he gave the play calling to, I think it was Tom Clements at the time.
Or Edgar Bennett? I don't remember. But anyway, I think it was Tom Collins. That sounds right. Yeah.
You guys were talking this whole time. We've been talking this whole time. We didn't need you. And and so, but then McCarthy realized, like, oh no, like, I need to focus on this. Like, I would tell LaFlora, I'm back.
Hi, I would just tell LaFlore, like, yeah, you need to do your thing, and you need to trust that the person you hired to do that thing can do that thing. If you don't trust that the guy you hired to do that thing can do that thing, then that guy shouldn't be the guy. Like, that it, I don't know, we've probably beat the dead horse, but it needed to be done. That's why we're here. We're here to beat the dead horse.
Look, I don't think Joe Bear should have the best defense in the world. Let's make that clear. Because I think some Packers fans are unreasonable. Like this, this talent has been watered down throughout the year. I'm not saying that Joe Barry is supposed to take this unit and make them the best defense in football, but I'm very sure that it's not possible to get less out of the talent that they have than was gotten on Sunday.
Like, you could do no worse. To Barton's point, if you wanted to get fired, what differently would you do? Nothing different. Like, that's what you would do. Their front had a good day.
Rashawn Gary, Preston Smith, Lucas Van Ness, they showed up. Yes. And that was my thought for this game. It's like, well, all those guys are going to be pissed after the Giants game. Yeah.
Throwing shade, and they got to Baker all day. They put him on the ground five times. They got a strip sack, and the defense did nothing with it. The back end didn't do anything with it. Bart, any closing thoughts?
Any No, I I got kicked off of the internet. Yeah, your internet was kinda shoddy until you got booted. Um And it kept Bring you guys? What's up? It kept recording the show?
Yeah, it didn't. I checked the clock. It was still going. You still moving? Huh?
Paul was just telling stories of his time on the beat. He brought up 2015, and I think it was just because he wanted to talk about his time on the beat, but um. Times I do not miss. Did you guys know Paul was on the beat? I'm about to edit it.
What a world.
Well, tell us about your on-Milwaukee days. Put that on a sticker and sell it in the Bart Winkler. Store. Did you did you know that Paul was on the beat? I'd wear a t-shirt that says that.
Hmm. Um, all right. What non-Joe Berry topic? One I know we're going to disagree on. A E W?
King guys, fucking Jonathan Majors. Yeah, I saw that. I think the What was the next Avengers movie going to be called? In two years from now, like the rise of King or Kang Dynasty. Kang Dynasty, thank you.
I like Or like uh Okay. What Marvel needs to do now that this happened is they need to do this. You know what, Marvel? You know, how about. How about instead of writing your dissertation on what Marvel needs to do, how about you go watch the fucking.
Marvel's Movie Oh, the Marvels. Yeah. Yeah, which is good. Until you dive into Echo coming out in a couple of weeks. What's that one?
Mm-hmm.
That's a Hawkeye spin-off. TV show? Yeah. Their first T V MA. In the Disney Plus streaming era.
Really? Mature for mature audiences? Kind of a and daredevil's supposed to be in it. Spoiler alert. He's in the trailers.
All right. Anyway, the best. Superhero movies of this modern era are the R-rated ones: Logan, Deadpool, etc. I'm so over Ryan Reynolds. I'm so, I'm so over him.
I'm pretty jacked for Deadpool 3, though. I love Deadpool's my favorite, and Logan was fantastic. Like, superhero movies should be R. Like, they should be R. Hard R.
Like, they should be violent. That's what it is. They're battling against like super villains. What are we doing? Like Ant-Man, like I liked Ant-Man 1, and then Ant-Man 2 was like.
A silly haha. And I was like, wait. Aren't these consequences real? Oh no, this is all just you're just being silly. This is all just for fun and silliness.
I was like, take it seriously. Guardians, Guardians was pretty good, all of them. I love Guardian. I haven't seen the third one yet. But The first Iron Man was great.
It was low-key. The first Iron Man was fantastic. That was the Spider-Man, all the spiders was great. Uh well, which ones are we referring to? When they're all together, no way home.
Oh yeah, absolutely. They're mostly very good. But the best ones. Are the. I just, I can't do Ryan Reynolds.
He's in those damn mint mobile commercial. Being sarcastic is not a, that can't be your whole thing. They just can't. You need a second pitch. You need a changeup.
I'm so sick of this shit. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you need a second pitch. But When's the last time Ryan Reynolds hasn't played? I'm not with you on this.
I like Ryan Reynolds a lot. When's the last time that Ryan Reynolds hasn't just played Ryan Reynolds?
Well, I feel a little protective of Ryan Reynolds since I was one of the few people that. Watch them from the start and I'm talking about two guys, a girl and a pizza place before they drop that part of the show. What show was that was that a What was that? It was on ABC. He was a character named.
Hmm. Berg, I think Berg was the other guy. Who were the other? Trailer Howard was the main lady. Who else was in it?
Nathan. What's his last name? Phillian? Phillian? Yeah.
Okay.
He was in it. Do you guys like Castle? Speaking of Nathan Phillian, my mom and sister love that show. That seems to be like it. We watched Newcastle.
We watched Newcastle for a while. It was good. It was fine. I always enjoyed it when it was on. I mean, it seems, I know, Grant, I'm going to hit you on a sore spot here, but Castle always, I never saw it.
And I also never saw Suits. But it always reminded me of like, okay, it's just like a show that's on about a thing and it's past, you just have it on the background, and it's fine. We have lost a purpose. We've lost that show. That's why Suits, I think, was so big this summer.
And I'm not like everyone at BuzzFeed in the Ringer wrote their long column about this. It's like we got so obsessed with thrones. With House of the Dragon and these shows where you need to be like dialed in for an hour and 20 minutes. Like, it's high time we bring back the show that follows the same formula every week and we kind of know what's gonna happen. Family guy just did the late latest Family Guy just did a whole episode on Network TV: How It's Dead.
And like every streamer needs to be whatever. Um I mean, all the plot got away, but.
Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's just like No, why? Friends used to be the biggest, well, Seinfeld was the biggest show. And friends was huge also. And friends would come out at seven and Seinfeld would come out at eight. And then ER would come on at nine.
So for a night you are invested.
So, NBC, not only did they have the task of finding big hits, but they had the task of finding shows that they could stick at the 7:30 and 8:30. That weren't gonna require too much brain thought that you could kind of just like watch and go, ha, well, you really waited for the next show. And that's where you got your suddenly Susan's and your Caroline in the cities. and your inside Schwartz's, and your good morning Miamis. Wow, I don't know these.
I love getting Bart rolling on network TV. There's no one who knows network over-the-air broadcast television like Bart Winkler. I do. Just wait until everyone in lacrosse and All your other markets. I forget all your other markets that you just named earlier, but just wait till they get, wait till you get your first.
Network TV rant on national. I've done that plenty of times already. By the way, are you going to like when Jimmy Fallon got the tonight show? He had a very specific first guest. It had to be Robert.
De Niro. Right. Do you have a do you have a first guest is your first guest important to you?
Well, I'm not like hosting that kind of show.
Okay.
I know that, but I'm saying it will still be part of like... The show's Historical, whatever, like, oh, the first you like, whoever the first, hey, you're the first guest. Like, you may not say that because you wouldn't want to play up, but it, you should. It should be. Then it should be who the first two people on this pod were and that was Tim and Toby.
There you go. No, it doesn't matter. No. Okay.
All right. Can you know the show? How does that work? How do you uh Nine to one That's just. Do you have the slot typically have a lot of guests?
That's just very late. Nine to one is basically gonna be like My show is basically going to be like. Holy shit, what just happened? What is this? Get that sound.
Giannis did what? He's charging who? Yeah. Is Drew Lock crying? Let's play that sound.
You are essentially America's post-game show for every sporting event. That's what you are. That's what you are. And I mean that in the best of ways.
Well, that's what I told you I was going to say. Did you say that? I said that to you. Oh shit. And then Grant just stole it and took that zone dot.
I don't remember that.
Well Paul Paul's been on America's pregame show. Mm-hmm.
That's right. Yep, me and Mike. All right, here's the one we're going to disagree on. It wasn't Marvel or AEW, we won't go down that path. I want the Packers to win their final three games.
Even if missing the playoffs. Mm-hmm.
Or this one is so obvious. The correct answer. It's so obvious. And I know you're not going to get it right.
So go ahead.
So I saw J.R. Radcliffe doing like some playoff. Things about Seattle losing what it means. are winning. The Eagles losing.
And there were a lot of people that were in his mentions saying, I just can't. I see these I just can't I can't go there I can't I can't think about it I just Uh play I just I can't. Yeah. I am rooting for the same thing I've been rooting for every week this season. It's that for my favorite football team to win games.
Okay.
Thank you. have strayed from that in the past. I have. In the recent past. when I thought there was a bigger picture here.
And so that is a. That is a like I wanted, but I wanted the end of an era. I wanted Darren Rodgers to leave. I wanted Jordan Love. to to to have a six-win football team.
And then, like, do the whole playoff thing, but in reverse.
Now we're watching other teams and hoping they win to help our draft stock fucking draft. Um I just like like I said before. My entire life has been a team that has at least been competitive. And as far as I know, the Green Bay Packers for 40 years. I mean I'm chasing Super Bowl number 14.
I'm not chasing, I'd rather pick number 14 instead of number 22. And I know there's some way that they could get the five seed. Five pick. I mean, that's just not, that's not. We're the Green Bay Packers, motherfucker.
To want to go into the ramification, even there was a game Rogers played against the Jets all those years ago. were people that wanted to play. It was after he came back, they lost to the Panthers, so they were out of the playoffs. And then, like, should he still play? And he played against the Jets, and I think they won, and they had like a really overtime game.
Yeah. And I was glad that he played. And I like that he won. And your theory could backfire. There was a Houston Texans franchise last year that thought they needed to lose.
to get the number one pick. And guess what? They won, got the number two pick. And then they were stuck with taking. Dumb test taker C.J.
Stroud. Scrub. And that's worked out pretty good. Don't tempt fate. Play Don't anger the gods.
Don't anger the football gods.
Okay? Don't No. And plus, if you want them to tank, what more could they? Maybe they are. Maybe that's what you just fucking saw.
Maybe the last two weeks they are tanking. Maybe that's why Joe Berry is here. Mm-hmm.
No, if you want them to lose. I'll be very nice just in case anyone on this panel wants them to lose. I don't if you want them to lose. You have a misguided framework of really the entire universe. Agreed.
Let me give you something to think about. Just something to think about. I may not change your mind. I think if they win their final three games, they go 9-8 and they miss the playoffs. Going into the offseason.
On a positive note. A positive note, at least from a three-game winning streak perspective. I think Joe Berry comes back. I believe like with Jason Kidd. I believe the house is burning.
Yeah. It doesn't matter what's next. The house is on fire. Get the fuck out. Because of that, It's not because, and yes, I would rather pick eighth than fifteenth.
But duh. But I think there's a bigger picture here to the whole thing. It's like, I want the players to have feel goods. I want love to not have a five-game losing streak. If I was going to not root for the Packers, and I'm not going to root for them to lose, but the question was: I want the Packers to win regardless of missing the playoffs.
Hello. The grand scheme of it is if they go on a five-game losing streak, the five, the past two plus the next three, including one that would be to the Panthers, which would be really bad, and one to the Bears, which would be not fun at all to have to deal with, which, by the way, The Bears could then pass the Packers in the standings, and like then you get to deal with all of that fun drama with Bears Universe. I think if they finish the season strong but missed the playoffs, I think Joe Berry comes back. If they finish this season poorly, I think Joe Berry is gone. I think the most important thing that can come out of.
not doing well in these final three. is the obvious even more obvious than the onion publishing an article The obvious outcome that, listen, there's a new, don't guys, yes, Barry's gonna coach this week 18 game, but like wink, wink, nod, nod, he's not our defensive quarter next year. The house is burning, get out. If a couple they're not gonna keep Joe Berry, there's no way.
So, if that were true. I could I could more easily Not entirely, but more easily you say, okay, nine and eight, even if they don't miss the play, like, that's great. But I don't think that's true. I'm not convinced that LaFleur will do that. And because of that, I'm not going to root for them to lose.
That is not what I'm saying.
Some people will, I won't. If they lose, I will not be like, like I had these past two games. When they were six and six, and then they lost, six and seven, and then they lost, I was like, Oh, this and that and this. And like, if they lose, I will, it will be.
Alright, well at least we're closer to our goal, which is like Needing to move in a different defensive coordinator direction. I will pause there. Grant, I want the Packers to win their final three games, even if missing the playoffs. Because they're my favorite football team, and the point is to win the games. You play to win the games as you play to win the Super Bowl.
You play to win the Super Bowl. You have a better chance of doing that.
So the Joe Berry angle. Is one that I had not considered. I'm with Bart in that I think they're going to part ways. His contract is up. I don't think Joe Barrett won't.
Yes, at the end of this year. He's a free agent? Joe Barry is not under contract for 2024. I don't think so. I've not heard that.
I guess I could be wrong. I'm not trying to put you on the bottom, just not hurt or see. In any event. I don't think he'll be back regardless of how the next couple of weeks go. And if I'm wrong, I guess I'm wrong, and then I'll be mad about that.
But I guess for the folks who. like have their hand on the tank switch every week. Where like the people that joined Bart's post games after a loss is like, see, it should be tanked. Like, what do you guys want? Do you think there's some lever in the clubhouse that they switch on and off based on the week?
It's like this week now we'll try to lose. And this league, like, well, never mind, we're focused on winning now. That's not how it works. Like, what do you want them to do? Sit their left tackle and their star cornerback and their best wide receiver and one of their running.
They already fucking are. Like, what do you? They just lost to the Bucks in the Tommy DeVito. And you're like, we should be tanking. Bitch, they are the last two weeks.
Let's be clear. I know you're not necessarily saying that's what I'm saying. Don't tank like What is it you want? And it's not just you, Paul. It's everyone else that comes on this post-game show after a win to rain on everyone's parade or after a loss to brag about how you were right.
Both are obnoxious as shit.
Okay, tell me what you want. What do you want? I think the Packers need to be best positioned to be a serious Super Bowl contender. That's nice. What do you want them to do?
A way to get there. Paul wants to root for them to win, but then have them lose. No, I will not be actively invested. I will not. I know this.
I will not, unlike the past two weeks. I will not be emotionally invested against the Panthers. I won't be.
Okay, I will Let me answer your question, Graham.
Okay.
There's more than one way to build a team.
Okay, fine. Picks get the people get draft picks wrong all the time. Bart used the Bryce Young, Sej Stroud example. There's hundreds more. You can like San Francisco, and yeah, their quarterback was the last pick of the draft.
They had pick after pick after pick after pick, like where they were bad. They had low. Early first round draft picks. The Packers have really always not been bad enough. Like it's it's like for me, it's like the Herb Cole idea when he as the owner of the Bucs.
Eighth seed, eighth seed, eighth seed.
So you get swept out of the first, you get swept out of the first round, and you're the 15th pick in the draft. Unless you strike Giannis Gold, there's no way out of that. That's purgatory.
So last in the past. That's apples and oranges. Spiritually, understanding. I was using the 49ers as an example, also, but my point is, is like. There's a point at which you'd say Can the Packers win the Super Bowl with Joe Berry?
My answer is definitively no. Is the Packers roster good enough right now, no matter how great their coordinators are, to win the Super Bowl? My answer is no. That means there needs to be a talent influx. you're going to have a better chance at that to happen.
The higher you pick and the more obvious it is, because I don't trust LeFleur as a leader. I don't trust that without it being hit over the head so pro like so, so many times for him to make what seems like an obvious decision to 99% of us. Because of those things, I want them to Beep. Bad so that it's obvious that, hey, we need to do this differently. And not like, well, let me hear the counterpoint to we should do this differently.
No, it's fucking obvious we need to do this differently. And until that point is hammered, hammered, hammered, hammered. That's what I would struggle with. As a front office person of the team, as a leader, as a fan. I want it to be obvious.
that this shit ain't working. That that would be my Answered your question.
Well, it is obvious to everyone except for one gentleman. Unfortunately, both the guys are not. It's obvious to even LaFleur, it's obvious to LaFleur, the defense isn't working. He hasn't made the connection yet. That is joking.
That's what I'm saying. Hit him over the head three more times, including an embarrassing loss to the Panthers, and it will have to happen. Like it will have to happen. If the onion didn't make you do it, what will?
So you are looking me in the eye right now and saying that you would prefer the Packers to lose the next three in a row, which are three games against what? The Panthers? Yeah. That would be a joke loss. Bears.
And two divisional rivals. Do you want that? It would suck. No shit. Yeah, what?
It would suck. They'd lose five in a row. And every bit of goodwill that the team built up this year would be gone completely. Except for the extreme outlier person. And I saw one or two of them.
No one is blaming Jordan Love. I mean, I'm not saying he's been perfect. Jordan Love has not been perfect. No one, except for that extreme outlier individual, is looking at the last two losses and saying, oh man, if Jordan Love were Aaron Rodgers, oh, if Jordan Love had just been good, love is clearly bad. Bring in the bench, you know, bring in the next set.
As long as love keeps playing the way he's playing, And I, as a fan, still see Dantavian Wicks being like, holy shit, they found a guy in the fifth round. And all of these other younger pieces developing. Lucas Van Ness getting more snaps and playing well with those snaps. Things like that, I will look back and say the result in the moment. You know.
You lost to the Bears. You lost to the like. Ugh okay.
Well, at least LaFleur is being just repeatedly smashed over the head with the obvious, obvious, obvious thing that has to happen. And I would say with Brian Gudekinst. With the upcoming draft, being hit over the head with, like, what is it you clearly need to do differently? What is it you clearly need to do differently? And if you're 500 or you know, nine and eight or eight and nine, I don't think that message is as obvious.
I want it to be obvious. I don't know that Brian Goudekins needs a message. Hey, you really need to pick good players this year. But strategically, what is Gutikin's strategy in the draft? To take like the relative athletic score guy.
He tried to draft players. Draft women. Talk more about this Devondre Campbell tweet. It's weird, isn't it? Not going out my way anymore, and I'm not playing through injuries anymore because when shit Wrong, they always use it against me.
I'm treating everyone accordingly and giving them the same energy they're giving me. Focus on yourself and your mental 59. You owe it to yourself. Is Jair holding out? I don't know.
protest I will, I can't wait to find out. And speaking of things that LeFleur, I mean, LeFleur said in his Monday press. I mean, is this the same shit that happened with Zadarius Smith? Isn't this the same shit that happened with him? It doesn't feel too dissimilar.
But let's just say this risk. Jair has been out for six consecutive games. It takes being out for four consecutive games to be put on the injured reserve. LaFleur said during his Monday press conference of this week, it was a quote miscalculation. about Gyre's injury status.
It's another knock. It's another, it's another. Also, maybe there's more than who gives a shit. Who do they need the roster spot for? Just I DeGuara.
Like, I'm not holding that against him. Who's the Rossbot go-to?
Some French player, like whatever. But nevertheless, like they went in six weeks ago thinking like, oh, like a game or two. It's just weird. The gyre thing is weird. It's weird.
It's weird. But when you have a bunch of trust built up, a weird thing, you just go, ah, it's just a weird thing. When you don't have trust built up, as is the case with me, where there's not trust built up. I then it's then I'm gonna like whoa another red flag, you know, and I think that's fair. I think that's fair to say if I don't trust you.
I don't, I'm going to take every little.
Well, little everything as a bigger deal because I don't trust the messenger. You know what I mean? Does that resonate at all? You have a Packers' tinfoil hat on right now. I think you need to take a deep breath and step away from your doomsday shelter with all your freeze-dried food and your weapons.
And just they're a mid-football team that's very injured and they're frustrated after two bad losses. And they're probably going to win and lose a couple games down the stretch, and it'll probably just be. But what, well, first off, then tell Devondre Campbell that like it's not like it's Devondre Campbell. Mike Clemens was telling us the other day: Mike Clemens, the night before Thanksgiving, couldn't lift his arm above his head. The night before the Thanksgiving game, he could not put his arms about the sky.
I'm sorry, who couldn't? Devondre Campbell.
So he's been hurt as hell. Yeah. I just probably would have played Isaiah McDuffie. Um, because Campbell was fish food.
Well, if Campbell's not pinged up, yeah. No, but I mean, like, period, like McDuffie. Yeah. I think Campbell's this bad because he's aging, and also, I think he's very hurt. Yeah.
Grant, I think you have to go. I'm I'm getting really fucking pissed about my internet. I do have to go. I lost track of time in my Spirited Positions here today. Advocating for the Packers to lose.
That's what happens. I did not advocate for them. I do not want them to perpet, and they never would. No team. What was the last 15 minutes about?
If now, if we're closing, you're like, I don't want them to lose. What have we been doing here? No, no, no. What did we just discuss for 15 minutes? What was the best outcome for like?
Short-term pain, long-term gain. That was what we were talking about. Nice. I like that. Thank you.
And that, like, is, I realize there will be people who listen to this who are like, yeah, go, Paul. And people are like, hey, what an idiot. Like, because it's a relatively divisive way to think about wins and losses and team structure, and like that's fine, but like, is what I'm saying at least? And you can say no, by the way. Does it make sense, or is it just completely defy logic in your?
Yeah, I understand why. You've tied your brain into a pretzel this way. What if it's not? You want to root for the Packers to win, and if they lose, it's not going to bother you that much. And actually, secretly, you'll be happier.
And that's fine. If, again, we play a hypothetical game here. If you told me they're not making the playoffs. And they're still going to win their last three.
Okay, it's a hypothetical game. If you told me that no matter how well they play the last three that Joe Barry's gone. If I knew both of those hypothetical answers to be absolutes, It would change the way I think about it, but. Yeah. No, I think there's a lot of people.
That's what I said earlier. He's not fired until he gets fired. Granted. I'm getting anxiety about you, so Go on with your merry day. I will.
Nice to see you both. Bart, congratulations. Thanks for always doing this. We'll talk again soon. I don't know when.
We will. Until we talk again. Have a good one. This is like part of our staple. I hope this isn't like.
Hope this isn't a little bit. Let's do it again. We got to figure out a different time. I'm not recording at 7:30 in the morning anymore. Yeah.
Oh, just 'cause someone has to stay up late now, they can't do more. That's reasonable. This has been a privilege as always. I'll talk to you both soon. Bye-bye.
Have a good one. Bye. Oh my god. Anything else on your brain? I don't know.
Not particularly. You know, one thing I'll tell you about the national versus like local is, I'll spend a lot of time. Like the Joe Berry thing, I think, crosses a... A thing to spend time on it on national radio, right? Yeah.
But then even when I'm talking about the Packers, I'm like, oh shit, am I just like being a little Milwaukee guy, got my big platform?
So, I feel a lot more comfortable talking about the Cowboys or the Bills or the Bears or the Niners. I feel a lot more comfortable talking about things that aren't mine. Yeah. Yeah. Like when you have a favorite like I don't know, student, you don't.
You focus on the other ones because you don't want to appear too favorite, but then you're like doing them a disservice. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Um I think you are sure you are, you and you're validated in talking about it because, again, I don't think, never did I ever expect The Onion to write a Joe Berry article. And that's kind of like the, like we said, the Brands Daily thing. Everyone, like Sean McDermott, it's on SNL. Like The Onion covers Joe Berry.
Like, it's just. You have to, like, you have to.
So it doesn't matter that it's Wisconsin-centric or it's about a bigger market team or whatever. Like, You can talk about it extensively.
Well, that's what I guess. I always try to equate it to like.
Something bigger. Like, this is another instance in sports where someone knows what to do, but they won't do it. Yeah. And I always wonder why. Why won't you do it?
Why would you do it? And there's not a. Other than him being a bitch. I don't know that there's a real answer. If you were talking, if this same situation just happened with one of the other 31 teams and you were hosting a national show.
There's nothing that any Caller or guest would come on and say, You know, Bart, you're thinking about this the wrong way. It's really good that LaFleur retained Joe Berry. That take Does not exist. Right? Like, there's not an analyst who has come out and defended Joe Berry and said, And just everybody that does the film, you know, you get all these film recaps Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
A lot of Joe Berry piling on now. But, like, and that's my point, is like your thing of like, it's so obvious. And, like, is this something I can talk about on a national show? Yes, because it's crossed over into like, If this was a different NFL team, Bart, I would say about that other NFL team. They don't know what they're doing.
If the Chargers had not fired Staley. That would be a bigger topic than Firings Daily because it would be like, wow, they do not know what they're doing, right? Like, that's the concern is that you start to teeter into laughing stock territory, which you have, it's the onion. But you start going into laughing stock territory where it's like, well, here's an example of an incompetently run franchise, right? Like you have to like...
You stand on your principles and if LaFleur, whatever, but I just Most of the time. Not all, most of the time doing the obvious thing. When it's really, really obvious, it's really obvious for the reason that it needs to happen. Like In life, like, oh, this is super obvious. To like use Grant's example earlier: like, it's super obvious that his buddy needs to leave that girl.
But just can't. And it's like, well, then you just, you're off. You're just like, you're off base. Like, there's something affecting you that you. refuse to acknowledge reality here.
That was my concern here. Yeah. Like from even like a national perspective for the Packers is like This is a team run by someone who just doesn't have the balls to just do the obvious thing. That's a problem. Hence Lose three more, and I will trust that you might possibly have a better idea that this can't possibly continue.
Because I don't trust you. I understand that. Is that the best articulated way that you've heard someone say it? Like, because I mean, like, I know it's a good thing. It took you 25 minutes to get there, but I understand.
Thank you. It was a long form. All right. Well, thank you for your services, not just here on this pod, but. Throughout the show history.
Of course. Yes, I will I will miss these uh at least the timing of this. It's a fun way to do it. I would like, I don't know. I don't want to get like...
weird weird but There's a place for some of the Chuck and Winkler shenanigans in the. CBS universe. I it I w I'm very tentative to suggest anything to you. Because you should do you, you know, you shouldn't, whatever. If you inquire, I'll be happy to give you an opinion, but I try not to be proactively giving you thoughts.
I want this high tide to rise all boats. Like, me doing a national show, it should mean that some of the guests we've had on, they could get some national rub.
Some of the just people that come on here every night, now you can start getting your calls in, and I'll make sure that you come on the air. And maybe, just maybe. A guy who has been in this business a lot longer than me as a journalist. One Steve Vinusman. Maybe I could bring him along on the ride.
See, and like I Whatever. I know we're just. talking here, but you're also recording it is like. What has made Your show. What it's been in different iterations on the radio and on podcasts, and like now at a national level, like keep doing all that.
Like, obviously, it's why you've stood out, it's why you've. Gotten to the point you've gotten to. Like, keep doing that stuff. And I will more than happily call my friend Steven. or anyone else who might have made past appearances.
who may or may not be loosely connected to me. Yeah. If you need a good poem. Yeah, Buck, Buck. Oh, you remember Buck?
I didn't remember Buck's name, Buck. Bucking closer, sure. Bucking Toll says a poem. I remember everybody. If you ever have a producer whose girlfriend's dad, Yeah.
All right, I'm dying.
So, what's your producer's name? What's your producer's name? David Shepard is recording being the first. David Shepard's girlfriend's.
Okay, I'll work on it. But he also does a lot of stuff on NBA radio, like he hosts shows. Yeah. So I'm eager to. Chop it up with him.
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