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Uh Benjamin Robinson. is going to join us Yeah. He has a site called Grinding the Mocks.
So last week. We did have a guest. Was that last week? I think it was last week. We had a g uh E.J.
Stewart. Joined us, he was a friend of ours. At Infinity, and we know him well, and so it was old hat. Ben, I've never talked to Ben.
So it's going to be live, live, first time. Talk. I'm excited. I want to talk mock drafts. I want to give him my theory about how Um I think the draft could be held right fucking now.
The combine is happening.
So maybe, maybe not right effing now. Maybe you need a week. to have the combine and I still like free agencies first. It's weird in the NBA it's the draft and then free agency. Uh but free agencies I don't even know if that's right.
I'm just making that up off the top of my head. But we're going to talk to him at about 30 minutes into this thing, 30 past the hour if you're with us. Live.
So again, Carlos will join us momentarily. Benjamin Robinson to join us at 30 past the hour. Want to talk some Olympics? Want to talk some NBA? Want to talk about spring training as that's getting fired up.
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in areas where there's already not a lot of grocery stores. And that's what's called a food desert.
So when so many grocery stores close. A food desert emerges as it's hard for people to then get their food. The journal Sentinel had an article about it, and all I did was tweet and say, This is bad. What can we do about this? And the comments Hopefully, a lot of bot-driven comments.
I'm trying to online, I'm trying to just like. If I don't see your face, I don't think you're real. I know some of you.
Some of you have gotten to know the man or woman behind. The uh mask. But I just gotta stop commenting. Um Twitter accounts that don't have a face or a name. Who am I even arguing with?
I don't know. That's no fun. That's no fun. I was talking to some guys last night. I was doing a podcast.
One of the things I love about the radio and the radio shows that I've done is they've been caller heavy. I like to take calls.
Now, I've been criticized everywhere I've gone. Not criticized, but suggested, or maybe criticized. I say crit, when I say the word criticize, I'm not saying like. That the people were wrong. I'm not trying to.
Be a victim. Um But sometimes I let callers on too long. Yeah, I'm fact-finding. I'm exploring. We can't have notebook Mike.
If I don't ask Mike. Why does it sound like he's written down all of his topics in a notebook? That's simple. We can't have Mike the Painter. If I don't find out.
He's a painter. We can't have Greg in Michigan ramble on If I'm not doing a late night show. And I'm tired and want the callers to talk a little bit more so I can Take a mental break. All those things are important. All those things need to happen.
for the show to thrive.
So I like that aspect of it. I like the interaction. And now I don't even know who I'm interacting with. And I do think a lot of the internet is dead. I don't know why I'm still showing my face around here.
But I think a lot of the internet is dead. Mike the painter I've heard from on here. Just in the comments. Notebook, Mike. Again, another guy I do not know if he's alive or not.
That's just one of the weird things about The business is you talk to these people so intently, and then you move on, and then. I mean, I don't know.
So that's that's where we're at. At this point. All right, a lot out of the way there. Carlos Ortiz joining here momentarily. Again, Ben Robinson.
We'll talk some mock draft. in a little bit as well. The Olympics, I think, are the top story. From a national perspective, closing. Yesterday with the closing ceremonies.
I thought it was a good Olympics. I think it's hard to. I I I I saw like one tweet or article, just one thought, one sentiment. that these Olympics were great, that the Olympics have kind of found their groove. In this new social media age.
Where a lot of people at the Olympics. Um or stars. They were using social media to be Stars Cash Patel, for example. Had a great game. Uh, in the hockey final, because he celebrated.
quite a bit Look. May I Politics and sports are always going to intertwine. The head of the FBI. was celebrating with Team USA. I think that's weird.
I would think it was weird if it was. A Liberal or a Conservative? But I did think it was weird. And Like He's not paying. That's one thing.
If it doesn't matter to you, whatever. These guys are flying there on our dime. Which, if I made politics and sports again. This is why I do. Support teams.
When they want money from taxpayers to build stadiums. Inherently, it is bullshit. They're billionaires. And they're asking for money from us? But that's like the one lying item we ever know about our taxes.
Oh, they want $330 million for their ballpark. Great. How much of that are you paying though? A buck eighty seven?
Meanwhile, guy flies to Italy. To celebrate with you, that's coming out of your pocket too.
So I I think it's unfair that Stadiums are like the one line item. Also, I think there's an intrinsic value in having. A sports team. Yes, I will pay taxes to keep a basketball team. in the city of Milaki.
Absolutely. Carlos Ortiz joining. the proceedings we got a guest in 20 minutes bud yeah who the hell told you to start without me I thought you said you were going to start when I got on. No, I had to bitch about grocery stores and Uh talk about cash patel. Oh, I heard stadiums.
I thought you might have been talking about the Indiana Bears. No, I don't it doesn't sound like they're actually moving to Indiana. You asked the governor of Indiana. He he says differently. I just saw his approval rating of 25%.
So, if he can get a second NFL franchise, you can't have to. I don't understand from Bears fans. I'm getting Bears fans. I'm a Packer fan. And I'm telling Bears fans.
This kind of sucks, right? And they're like, no, dude, it's only 30 minutes. Yeah. It's basically like Chicago, dude. Yeah, but it's not.
It's. It's Indiana. Yeah, I feel the same way about going to Jersey. It's just New York extended. I know, but for some reason that's different.
It should be. You're literally crossing state lines to go see your team. Just sucks too. That sucks too. People are like, wow.
Santa Clara's father. Yeah, that sucks. Don't let somebody else's shittiness. Excuse your shittiness. Strive to be good.
How's the snow going out there? You get 15 inches? It's pretty damn bad. I actually walked out to go get a couple of things from the supermarket and get quarters so I can do laundry. and the snow was up to my shins.
It's actually pretty ridiculous. Which is crazy because the snow from last month just finally melted just to get a fresh new thing of snow here. When's the last time it snowed that bad in uh New York? Dude, honestly, being from the Midwest like you, you know, I'm from Chicago, where, you know, you would get snowstorms on a regular. Like, I used to, I laugh at New York winters.
I tell my wife all the time, I'm like, you guys don't know what it is to have a real Midwestern blizzard, you know, actual snow. This is the first year where I could say, all right, that goes away. This is an actual snowstorm. This is an actual winter that New York has had, where you had not one, but two or large occurrences of snow. Um I don't think I've Ever seen this much snow here in the city since I've moved here, and I've been here for about.
20 years at this point, maybe once. And I was just like, okay, this is some snow. But other than that, these winters have been very mild. This one decided to absolutely ram it at my ass. Yeah.
That 15 inches, that was what's ramming up your ass. Old gasoline, either. Mm. But do you have to deal with it much? I bet you're going to the gym tonight, right?
No, they canceled the classes because of the snow. No gym today. That's when you know it's serious.
So you have nowhere to go. I got nowhere to go. I have nowhere to be. You know, I'm not gainfully employed.
So, you know. And you're in an apartment so you don't have like snow You don't have to do anything with it, right? No, no, no. The uh the uh The people who I hope that are legal, you know, with the current climate that we are, where people get snatched off and unmarked white vans, they're going to be the ones cleaning my sidewalk and driveway and all that stuff.
So I hope they're here. and not getting snatched away. Because Lord knows I'm not doing it.
Well, I'm worried about you and all that Puerto Rico stuff. Jesus Christ. You do know it is a territory, right? I'm sure a lot of people don't realize. I do.
that Puerto Ricans are American. Um You know, so that whole halftime Kerfuffle was over nothing. I for some reason I always have a hard time knowing where Puerto Rico is. It's in the middle of uh water. I but I always feel like it's a little island off the coast of the Carolinas.
Yeah. So it is an island. You're right in that regard. It's nowhere near North and or South Carolina. It's like Cuba.
Pretty much right right next to Cuba. Yeah. Like Cuba, Dominican Republic, Haiti, they're all like in that same little belt. I don't get why we still have territories. Why aren't these places states?
That is a long, convoluted discussion. Guam should be a state, the state of Guam. I agree. Do you know the Philippines were in American territory for like 30 years? Yes.
I just learned that the other day. Yeah, and before that they were a territory actually, they I don't know if they are still are anymore, but they were a territory of Spain. That's why so many Filipinos have like Spanish last names. Hmm. Yeah, the whole Puerto Rico state versus independence thing is a.
That's a long discussion. I don't want to make another mock video. I might lose more friends and followers, you know. Because people are idiots. But I actually favor independence, but I don't live there.
So I don't really have. A kick coming in regards to the decision, one way or another. My mother was a strong independentist. independent nationalists growing up. I actually could tell you some stories off air.
I'd rather not, you know. incriminate her i mean she's dead anyway but i really don't want to incriminate her after the fact Um but she was part of a uh extreme nationalist Puerto Rican group. Hmm. So yeah. If she passed away, I'm sorry, you said.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, years ago, years ago.
So let's air her dirty laundry. All right, fuck it, mom. What are you gonna do? You gonna beat me anyway? From beyond the grave, I'm sure she doesn't throw a fucking sandal at me.
She was part of a group called Las Independentistas. Which is exactly what it sounds like, basically the independence. They plotted to assassinate Harry Truman when he was in office. Your mom did? Not her specifically, unless she omitted that detail, but that group, yes.
Uh, they were plotting to assassinate uh Harry Truman when he was in office. Um, because Puerto Rico got really, you know, as a territory. I mean, they're still getting screwed as a territory now. Again, they can't vote for presidential elections, they pay taxes, they have no representation in Congress. They have a governor who's basically a figurehead.
You know, they're still recovering from hurricanes, you know, years ago. Um, the local government's completely corrupt because they don't have to answer to nobody. They just say, oh, you know, blame the states. And the states are like, well, we don't actually own you guys. watch over you.
Yeah, so Puerto Rico has been getting hammed. But in the 50s and the 60s, when there was a large migration of Puerto Ricans to the States, and a lot of them obviously came to New York and Chicago. It was a uh The reason why so many people were leaving in earnest was, number one, for work. The Puerto Rican economy is shit, but also, two, is. Puerto Rico was getting basically ravaged for natural resources, and there was a lot of medical experimentation.
The rainforests were used as a bombing test site for the Navy.
So, like Puerto Rico was getting fucking hammered.
So a lot of Puerto Ricans were like. The US government is basically destroying us. Let's kill Truman. And like assert our independence. Obviously, that never happened.
Truman very much lived. I don't think there was actually. This is what JR says. Is this the international perspective? No, Puerto Rican's American.
It is American. It's American as apple pie. Oh, wait, American pie is not American. We're talking about this because... I'm leading into the question.
The question is. How many people on that island of Puerto Rico? Woke up Sunday morning to watch the US and Canada play hockey. I would say less than 1%. Did you get up and watch it?
You're a hockey guy. Actually, I was already up and I saw I was watching it. I told my kids. You can listen to me at Westwood One Sports, 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.
Eastern. Oh, yeah, you were up working. That's right. Thank God I had that game on.
So, did you guys talk about the game as it was going on much? Not until literally as we were getting off air. And. Um, Jack Hughes hit the overtime winner. And I'm like, and I, and I told my board op, get in Lynelle Willingham's ear and fucking let him know that the U.S.
just won, because he had not talked about the game the entire show. Mm. Yeah, I wonder whether he said he's just like, oh yeah, we won. USA. This is Westwood One Sports.
And that's how the fucking show ended. Oh, nice. I wonder what the viewership will be, you know, that time slot. I mean, I don't understand. People are like, oh, move it to move it to the afternoon.
Like when the closing ceremonies are going on, moron? They're in Italy. It's not like they're down the street. You know, they were in Italy. It's you guys will get your 28 Olympics.
Everything will be in prime time. And you know what? I cannot stand the governor of New York. I think she's an absolute crook. You know, I've long lamented about congestion pricing and how it's a fucking scam.
I will give her credit.
So, you lifted the ban on alcohol sales yesterday morning so people can get drunk and watch the hockey game.
So, you could get alcohol sales at bars starting at 6 a.m. yesterday. That's so cool. When do they normally open around there? I don't know.
Actually, I thought New York was a city that never sleeps. No, the city doesn't sleep, but some places. I can't drink at 6 a.m. I can't get a screwdriver. Not on a regular Sunday.
In fact, there's some places in Jersey that are like blue laws. You can't get alcohol on Sundays at all. You have to go to across the border and PA or some shit to get bottles. We've got 6 a.m. bars here.
They open at 6. For the third shifters. When I was partying, dude, I would start. At like 10 p.m., I don't get out of the after-hour spot until like noon the next day, man. That's when I was a zombie.
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Sure. Uh USA versus Canada. And then we both woke up around like nine o'clock. And I was like, oh shit, missed the game. Then I turned it on, though.
There were still 15 minutes left, and it was tied 1-1. Mm-hmm. It did go to overtime. I know a lot of people gripe about the three on three aspect of it. That's fine.
You have three periods. Yeah, and it ended relatively quickly. And now. Um I don't know. I didn't realize that was the first U.S.
gold medal in my lifetime. Yeah, I didn't either until it was I don't know when I thought they won, but I just that's the same thing. They haven't won since Miracle. Like I knew Canada obviously is probably the premier hockey powerhouse, but I was like, I'm sure the US have snuck in a gold here and there. And I'm like.
Since fucking 1980, I'm like, are you kidding? No wonder it was such a big deal. But This was extremely impressive. Dude, I picked Canada pretty much every single round because that roster was so stacked. I picked them yesterday.
I just did pick the U.S. to cover the one and a half bucks spread, but I didn't think the Americans were going to win. I mean, that is an incredible accomplishment. Hopefully, there's a new generation of hockey fans growing up that are like either to consume the sport or, God forbid, play. But I thought it was a great day for sports lovers everywhere yesterday.
Well, I think that it's always about how do they capitalize on it. Yes. I don't feel like they really did on the Four Nations tournament. No. When that took over.
And really, the reason that got all hype was. Because US was like Flirting with invading Canada. Of course, Canada, U.S. is going to be a big game when. We're posturing like we're gonna yeah.
For one day, Canada was the 51st state as the U.S. made him their bitch yesterday. Carrot. Yeah. Trump scored the game one.
I saw his post. Oh, what what did that uh I mean, what did the uh Mr. President say? He put into AI him skating around the ice. Or someone did.
Someone did. Regardless of which I which which way you lean, my man could lose some pounds. Oh, I speaking of that. And then I'll get back to the hockey. I tried to lose some pounds.
I I decided last night. I decided last night I was going to go on a A 72-hour fast. And then what's wrong with you? You need food. And then I decided that's insane.
Yeah. Then I decided 36-hour fast. Insane.
So just go to the fucking gym at like eight o'clock. On Sunday, that would mean I would not eat again until. Eight o'clock Wednesday, uh, Tuesday morning. The hell out of here. I just crushed two pieces of the lamb with mashed potato.
I don't care. Just go work out with waiting. No, Carlos, I had a sandwich at 9:45. Good. All right.
'Cause all I was thinking about was fucking food. That's all because when you and also eating food. Yeah, when you starve yourself. You're going to do completely the opposite of what you're trying to do. No, no, no, I understand intermittent fasting, and there's probably some data and science into it.
My brother-in-law swears by it where he only eats like once a day or. Like twice within a six-hour period, and then doesn't eat again. I think that is absolute bullshit. Just be a little active. Be a little active and don't eat Cinnabons on your lunch break.
Someone in the comments keeps saying language. I mean, brother, you know what this is. Oh, I didn't know comments were on. If the language is too much, then turn it off.
Okay. It's the worst thing that's ever happened. You wanna know the worst thing that's ever happened to me in my radio career? Is I was the morning beast. Supposedly, Tennessee affiliate was bitching about.
No. Uh maybe I was I was doing morning radio in Fond du Lac. And I got a call from a gym. That said, hey, could you play a little more upbeat music? And maybe not talk as much.
We we got we got workout classes here. And I and I on the phone, I was, you know, I was trying to be so. I placated them and I said, Yeah, absolutely. And I played like upbeat songs and. Didn't talk much.
And then after the show, I was driving home. I'm like, why was I such a fucking bitch? Fuck them.
Okay. I've always hated this place now. It's still open. I want to like email who's ever in charge. 15 years later, because it's not going to be the person that was there at the time.
These people that run these gyms, I was going to an anytime fitness. There was like a new head person every eight months. And then my card wouldn't work. Why doesn't my card work? I gotta.
I got an hour I got a year long oh, we changed ownership. But my card should still fucking work. I just caught up on the comments.
So I was just, yes, great story. Thank you. I saw your Enthrallness with it.
Okay, so that was my fat story. The Olympic part of it. I think. What was the most beneficial Was when they were handing out the medals. Because I think something that hinders hockey is you never see these guys' faces.
Yeah. Oh, you didn't wanna see Jack Hughes' face yesterday.
Well yeah, I didn't know what he looked like. Carlos, I didn't know what Jack Eichel looked like, and he was a saber for a long time. I Still don't know what Jack was. Jack Michael, you got to see him. You got to know his name for like the last five years.
Yeah, you got to see this guy's face. Stand by. No, no, I'm going to show it. Um Cause I saw this guy's face. I was like Who's this fucking math teacher?
Hi, Karamba. That's Jack Eichel. Wow, he really does look like he failed me in algebra freshman year. He's got curly hair. Mr.
Estrom. Yeah, I thought he was like a free float. He kind of looks like me. He kind of does with hair. Yeah, I thought he was like a freewheeling kind of guy.
Honestly, if he was a second cousin, I wouldn't doubt it. I'd believe you if you said it. If he was my second cousin, I won't even know his name. I don't even know my first cousins. I seriously have cousins I've never seen.
I've never met. Don't you have like a hundred cousins? I do. Because I have Seven between seven and nine aunts and uncles. I don't know the exact number.
Hmm. Interesting. And they all have children. Yeah. 23 and me.
Why don't you go do that? The guy is drunk. The the Olympics thing though, to put a pin in that As we're going to talk some football coming up. With Benjamin Robinson. Yeah, ask me how many questions I got ready.
I told them that you'd have a Giants question. Oh, yeah. What are they going to do with the pick? That's it. No, I actually have a question about the Raiders, man.
Like, I'm, I'm, I find that number one pick to be absolutely fascinating, but I'll get to that in a couple of minutes. Oh Mendoza, I saw Dan Orlaski was grinding tape this morning. Oh, I thought you was dude, I misheard that completely. I'm like, Dan Orlowski was on Grinder? What?
Maybe. But Orlaski said, um, I just watched five games. Not what I expected. That was it. Not in a good way, not in a bad way.
You know, it's the year of the vague post. Yeah, he's definitely uh rage baiting. He's vague posing.
So, something I was saying about the Olympics earlier was this Olympic seems to have. Penetrated More of the zeitgeist, but at the same time, it also I don't feel like it has. Yeah, I mean, I think people kind of checked, they checked in for Lindsay Vaughn because she had one knee. And they're like, all right, let's see what she does. And then I was over in 13 seconds.
And then literally yesterday, oh, wait, the US is in the gold medal game. All right, I'll tune into that. I'm almost sure, other than a figure speed skater or somebody, I don't remember her name, but I remember her. I met a guy from Wisconsin, so that was interesting. This figure skater, they.
I don't remember his name, but they like... Centered a lot of the coverage around him, and then he lost. He likes an easy win, and then he's like, No, I'm gonna try shit I've never tried before. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he wound up finishing like eighth or something like that. I don't, you could put the gun to my head, and I couldn't tell you the guy's name, but I remember for a split second, they were talking about him.
And then a girl who won gold who wasn't supposed to win gold or something like that. But I don't know, I feel like the Summer Olympics are always a little bit more enjoyable than the Winter Olympics because you know, the Summer Olympics. You know, people get to go out and do stuff. Like, oh, it's just summer. I don't know.
I feel obviously growing up. I feel like nothing's ever going to match what the 96 Olympics were. Yeah. with Michael Johnson running in Atlanta. Was that the one that that was the one that got bombs, right?
You know, like the uh I I feel like that's another reason that people remember that Olympics 'cause obviously the uh we drove down there for that. We drove down a soccer game in Athens, Georgia, and then went to Disney. But I remember getting in the car and It was four in the morning, we're packing in this van and my dad's like, Yeah, so well let's have to check it out. There was a bombing uh At the park. We're gonna see what happened there.
Like that's crazy. Should we be going man? I mean What's happening? Yeah, anytime you hear the word bomb in a sentence, you want to rethink your decision. Even the Sydney Olympics, I thought.
Yeah, why is that vaguely familiar? Why does that come to mind? That was 2000.
Something happened cool for the US in 2000, Sydney Olympics. I don't remember, but what was the Olympics with Phelps? Is that China? I don't know. I feel like he's won at 28 gold medals every time he.
Because we've been Athens, Beijing, because I was going to say that like the last true Olympics were 2000, but that doesn't make any sense. No. But we haven't we haven't had a We haven't had like a prime time Olympic since 96. And also, winter, everything's on ice or snow. A lot of people are like, oh, let's get basketball in there now.
Maybe. Yeah, it's indoors. Yeah. All right, Benjamin Robinson is going to join us. We have a live guest for you today.
Mark Winkler, Carlos Ortiz. Benjamin Robinson does some work grinding the mocks. For more on what that is. Folks, it's Ben Robinson. Hey guys, good afternoon.
Thanks for joining us, Ben. Tell us about the site and what it is that You are up to, and how that's going to make Carlos and I. Smarter football fans. Which shouldn't be hard to do. Yeah, we're down.
Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity to school you a little bit.
So, yeah, grinding the mocks is all about looking at the draft from an analytical point of view in terms of predicting where players will go. And so, over the course of this draft cycle, I'll Grab, you know, we'll call like thousands of mock drafts that are published online by viewers like you and others that are more smart. And aggregate them into a metric I call expected draft position. And so basically, You know, it came from me being kind of an analytically minded. Fan of the draft.
and watching uh the coverage and being kind of You know, like, I guess I have to trust Mel Kuiper Jr. that he's right. And so, I kind of, in my background, got really interested in like the wisdom of crowds. And so, that's kind of where this started and where it's gone, is where I've, you know, taken kind of some of those like similar methods that you've seen in, like, for example, like politics that like Nate Silver and 538 popularized back in the day and apply that to the much more complicated and important world of the NFL draft. It is weird because You don't really know.
When we're watching the draft, okay. This guy fell. This guy rose. What a surprise. But what are we basing that?
We're basing that on people that have done. Mock drafts. We're not getting the consensus mock draft. We don't know what the Raiders want to do. We don't know what the Seahawks want to do.
We don't know what the Colts want to do necessarily. They haven't published their internal big board.
So someone might go like the year that Mike Mayock was drafting guys all over the place for the Raiders. And it's like.
Okay, what? But they like him. None of the other mocks have him.
So I find it interesting that we do come to like a hive mind thought of who should go and where should they go. Shadur Sanders was a big case. I thought he was going three to the Giants. Stupid. Um he went.
130 picks later.
So when you're watching and and encompassing that, it's like We're watching the draft. And we're expecting guys to go based on where I mean, I don't want to call all of us in the media like non-football people. But we're not the ones making the decisions, but we're kind of telling the masses: like, this is where they should go. And then they don't. It's just a very weird thing that has happened in our football The annual enjoyment of football then.
I think you've hit on a couple of really smart points, you know, which you know, I hope you're surprised. But the one point you hit on is uncertainty. And, you know, one of the things that I think you don't hear enough about is the you hear a bit about like the range of outcomes of players in the mock draft world. We see things and we only see what we can see, like what you're talking about. We only observe the world.
This is a very like kind of meta thing. We only observe the things we can see, but there's so much that we don't see. And so the mock draft data. Is not a perfect, I wouldn't just use that data blindly to predict where players are gonna go. You can apply different kinds of methods and techniques to get better at some of that hidden uncertainty that we don't actually see in the world.
And so you can look at the data on Shador Sanders, for example, last year and In a lot of the mocks, I think people thought Pittsburgh was his preferred destination. And You know, over time, I think you saw like a lot of people just hitting Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. But if you look at the entire data set and you apply some of those interesting methods, you kind of saw like there was sort of a bit of a downward pressure on where he was going. And if you kind of were to project that a little bit, I thought he was going to go end of the first round, early second round, and even I was wrong.
So I think you're hitting on something really important that The hive mind is not independent. People see what other people say and reflect those and their opinions. And so it's not a perfect science, but there's a lot of good things out there that we can take and data points that we can find that can make us smarter draft fans about what we think might happen, knowing that on draft night, things are dynamic and will change. One more regarding the drafting of it, and then Carlos, we'll get into some guys and where. you know, what you think might actually happen now that we're a couple months out.
This is a comment from Stalus Tom. My favorite thing about mock drafts is it helps reinforce that no one knows shit about fuck. Uh sorry for the language.
So I think it is weird that This is something I've talked about for a long time because the combine is happening this week. And then you're going to have free agency. And you're gonna have like time to.
Okay, that happened, we know this, and we can all, you know. Then you have April, where nothing is going on. Maybe a pro day or two. But then you have a mock draft that comes out, and suddenly. This guy's not getting a lot of attention.
So. You know what? I'm gonna put... Six quarterbacks in the first round. And then all of a sudden, we're talking about that.
And so it feels like that last month. People are moving up and down the board. Based on nothing other than people trying to drive traffic to their website. Is there that real connection between People in the content game and where guys actually get drafted. Um not always.
I think you bring up another really good point, which is that the mock draft world that we're in right now lacks a lot of really important information. But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't include that in our data in terms of thinking about where we think players will end up. We just need to downweight that data.
So, for example, Mock drafts that come out the week of the draft, I weighed a lot higher in my model. Than mock drafts that are coming out now. And I think that's really helpful because mock drafts right now don't have that additional context. And mock drafts that are coming out in that interlike period that you're talking about between after all this stuff is happening when we're in the pro-day cycle, some of that stuff can really lead to a lot of hype. But to me, I love the storytelling aspect of the draft.
And if you see kind of one mock draft in my data, it doesn't necessarily impact things very well, it's more like the total. Like tonnage of stuff. But there's always like really interesting stories. I remember like leading up to the draft a few years ago with like CJ Stroud. There was this narrative that CJ Stroud was falling and he ended up going three.
So a lot of times, you know, it's really kind of interesting to see the like human psychology involved and like how do you parse through all this information and make accurate predictions. And one of the things that's really great about the Wisdom of Crowds method is that it's usually a lot more accurate on average than any one person's mock draft every single year.
So that type of aggregation is a lot smarter than people think and might want to give it credit for. Carlos? Yeah, it's funny because Bart pretty much stole the question I had in regards to the Combine. Another thing with the Combine, which is starting this week and it'll be going on in Indianapolis. How much stock really?
Considering we're not going to be two months away from the draft, like how much stock is someone supposed to be putting into a combine as you're watching it from a casual fan? You're right. I'm not a scout. You know, I'm not an executive going to be picking anybody. You're not a casual fan.
Well I think I want to speak for a lot of people that are just like tuning in because the ratings for the combine have been going up and up and up the last couple of years. They're as more people are getting vested into football, and the NFL has become an all-year-round sport, right? It used to be the NBA, where the off-season drama was more compelling than sometimes regular season. The NFL is starting to trend in that direction, also. If I'm watching the combine and I'm reading these mock drafts and I'm looking what the so-called experts are saying some of these prospects are supposed to go.
Like, how much am I really supposed to be focusing in the next two weeks compared to, you know, reading like Mel Kuiper or Tom McShay's articles? Like, it seems like a lot of the focus is like, just go watch their film. You know, the college, what they did in college is 90% of what their tape is supposed to be and make your drafts on that. But obviously, It seems to be various data points as you mentioned, like how much of the combines specifically? Should we be looking at or focusing on, or is it just a big waste of time?
Because you feel like you get mixed messages when it comes to it. You know, I think you're hitting on another really good point, which is that the combine, I think, has become a lot less relevant. over the years. And in fact, You'll see all kinds of statistics that are dropped about average times that. You know, basically, you probably shouldn't listen to because there's a lot of what we would call in like statistics like selection bias.
Like, players who are really bad at certain drills will just opt out of doing them. And so you end up with really skewed numbers that don't reflect the actual like ability of players. But besides that point, one of the things that's really important to remember is what we thought about players coming into the combine.
So, you know, a really great example is, and I wrote about this in my Substack blog the other week. Mississippi State wide receiver Brennan Thompson. Who It's going to challenge for the the fastest 40-yard dash time. Um We already know he's fast.
So if we learn at the combine that he's fast. Why are we guessing him up for something that we already knew? This happened last year, the other year or two years ago, I guess, with Xavier Worthy, where man, we knew Xavier Worthy was fast and then he ran fast.
So why are we gassing him up for it? When we find out that players are more athletic than we thought they were, That's when it matters. Or, you know, the Combine's real purpose. Historically, it has been medical checks.
So you have a player like Uh, you know, the Arizona state wide receiver Jordan Tyson, who's had a lot of medical issues. you know, if the combine reveals that there's like it's worse than what you thought. Uh, then that could be a huge impact on his draft status. Otherwise, it's a good opportunity for the players to get FaceTime with teams. We have no clue at all in the public how those are going unless something really bad happens.
Um, so you know, to me, the combine in terms of a viewing product, watch it for fun. Um, if you think that you know that some player is, you know, has some special trait and it's discovered, teams are going to go back to the film and see. Where did I miss that in my first or initial like evaluations and film reviews? And if it's something where it's actually something he didn't really show, you know, players are also investing more and more time in combine training probably than they ever have as well. There's that famous, you know, Tony Manderich, who I believe was a Packer, right?
Who famously hacked the Combine. And so you got to be aware of that as well. That players are training for these drills. And eventually they have to go out on the field and play freaking football.
So yeah. That is weird because it's the same way Like When you're messing with the resume. You're finding the keywords that you know are going to hit. Or now whatever is going to like. What is the AI bot that they have?
We're using AI to write resumes. They're using AI to reject you. But if you're just training for the combine. Like there are guys that are drafted up rounds higher. 'Cause they've trained for the combine.
They'll make a nice little payday. On their higher draft pick, but then you know, they still got to stick into the league. Yeah. There's also a lot more technology going into, like kind of what you brought up with AI. I'd say less AI and more on what we call computer vision, which is basically taking the video that you would have in a game and converting that into estimates of player movement and position on the field.
Teams are investing a lot more in vendors that have that type of capability so they can see, you know, and kind of come up with what we'd call like an estimated 40-yard dash time based on their actual play speed in college. And so you can kind of see, like, you know, did the 40-yard dash that we saw on the field in Indianapolis reflect their actual play speed as well?
So teams are becoming a lot more smart with the type of like modern technical, like technological capabilities that they have at their disposal to be like actually very fine-grained in terms of assessing like all the different aspects of players. It's really kind of a golden age of. of player evaluation in a lot of ways. Benjamin Robinson, grinding the mocks, grindingthemocks.com. Check them out there and online, of course, with the Combine this week.
Do you Do you like?
So, there's a lot of mocks out there, and I don't even know what to look at right now because we're not barreling towards a consensus yet. I think I've seen a couple where obviously Mendoza's first. Out of Indiana. David Bailey, an edge guy, is getting a lot of top three. Consideration.
Do you have like a top five that you're expecting now? Is that going to change a lot? Do you expect it to change a lot? Or what are you... What information do you have so far that you think is the most apt to be changed this week and in the coming weeks?
I mean, I expect a lot to change. It's The information that you start to get just becomes a lot more high quality. I feel really comfortable with Fernando Mendoza in the top five. Um After that, I feel a little bit less. Uh You know, sure.
So, right now, if you go to grindingthemox.com, last week I released my pre-combine rankings. My top five, Fernando Mendoza from Indiana at number one. Number two, I have the, you know. Arvell Reese, the linebacker from Ohio State. Followed by Ruben Bain, the addresser from Miami, and David.
How about this? It's right there on the video. How about that? And And then Francis Mauinoa, the offensive tackle from Miami. But to me, when you look at some of those, if you look at that column on the third from the right, expected draft position, that's the number.
And you can see that You know, at number one, we feel pretty good about Mendoza. At number two, we feel like okay about Rhys, but then you can kind of see that after that, all those guys are ranked like on in terms of a numerical value, like fifth or sixth.
So there's not really a consensus that's established. The rankings will show one thing, but the actual numbers show that we're still not really sure about where to stack these players. To me, this is a sign that we're still figuring things out. Um so. Yeah, and I'm glad that we took 13 minutes to finally get to Mendoza because I'm sure a lot of people were like, ask the question or what are the Raiders doing?
And I don't want to ask that lazy question because I think, like you, I think a lot of people expect it to be Mendoza as the first round pick. And then number one overall, but Look at me sounding like an elitist. When I looked at Mendoza coming into the college football season, Before obviously he goes off and wins a national championship with Indiana. I'm looking at this guy like he's a day three, maybe a day two pick. And then he shoots up the boards, obviously, how well he picked.
Now, some of that, you know, right now is of circumstances because there aren't that many quarterbacks coming out in this year's draft. We perceive it to be a weak class based on what. The experts have been saying, like, if he would have came out last year, he may be a third-round guy. If he comes out next year, he may be a day two guy. Am I crazy to think?
Circumstances aside, I think the prospect of what you can get back in a Fernando Mendoza trade, such as the Raiders flipping them to the Cardinals or the Jets. I look at that as being more of a value than Fernando Mendoza himself. In this draft, I understand that the Raiders desperately need a quarterback, but there are other teams in the same position as well. I just again, am I crazy to think? What I think you can get back for that number one pick is actually better than the number one pick itself in Mendoza.
You know, I think in the past you could maybe make a differentiation. I think it depends on where you are as a team. Um I think where the Raiders are, like I think if you're going to, if he wasn't in a class, if there was a player like, You know, if we didn't, if Mendoza somehow wasn't in the class and Ty Simpson was the number one overall pick. Candidate. Then I'd be like, Yeah, let's get rid of him because Ty Simpson just today, Daniel Jeremiah just released his top 50 player rankings in Ty Simpson's in the 40s.
Fernando Mendoza is number one.
So there's a pretty strong consensus, and it isn't always the case. that a quarterback is the top ranked player as well as the top mocked player. I think at the end of the cycle you'll see Mendoza be both. And so I think that's part of the case for keeping it, but part of the The other case is that I think you can turn around teams in the NFL a lot quicker than you think you can if you have. An all-star quarterback.
And you saw the Patriots two years ago had some of the same issues with, you know, subpart defense, offensive lines falling apart, you know. It just, it's, I think the team can get turned around quicker than you think with the player Mendoza's quality. And so if the if the Raiders roster was that far away, like many, many years away, or like in some like horrific Financial situation, then I'd say maybe. But I think given where they are with him. The state of the roster, I think it's the right time.
And they've been very, very. I can't think of the last time the Raiders picked a quarterback in the first round, and they've needed one.
So, to me, trading it. I can see it in theory, but I don't think it actually helps you as much because you still have the question at quarterback. Um and so I would take the Mendoza the number one overall pick this year and last year. It was Jamarcus Russell. That's the name that I had in my head, too.
And I'm like, they had to have taken one in the first round since then. In 07 and Todd Marinovich in 91. The other thing about Mendoza, so on my site, you saw the table. There's also a section for player charts. You can see kind of the journey that Mendoza has taken.
And despite what you said, Carlos, Mendoza was actually pretty well regarded coming into the season. I'm not a quarterback watcher at all, and I only saw one game of Mendoza because I'm a University of Pittsburgh alum. And I watched Pitt beat Cal and wasn't very impressed. But I don't watch the games. Otherwise, I would call my site grinding the tape.
I just won't, you know, grinding the mocks. And so, you know, Mendoza is not your classic. prospect like in that way. He's a little more like Cam Ward from last year, who was like a known quantity and people were kind of intrigued. But he's not like you know previous years where it's been like, oh man, like you know, Kyler Murray, like we had no clue before the season that he was going to be as good as he was, or Joe Burrow.
So I think he, you know, falls more in line with the like known entity transfer quarterback that is very common in this day and age in college football. All right, so I'm not, as a Packer guy, going to be looking at mock drafts nearly as much as I have been with them not having a first-round pick. That's fine. Micah Parsons pretty good. Carlos, Giants are five, right?
That's right. Have you been grinding? These mocks yet, or are you not yeah There. Oh yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, I actually can talk about both teams if you'd like.
So, yeah, we'll start with the Packers because we'll talk about the Packers because I think the Giants are getting a lot of press because they're picking in the top five. But the Packers, when I look at my data of first through third round mocks, just trying to get a proxy for the kind of guys that they're interested in. I look at two positions. One is cornerback and one is defensive tackle. The two-thirds of my weighted mock draft shares for the Packers are in those positions.
And so, to me, I think if you're looking at the top positions that I think they would consider in that second round of pick 52, one is cornerback. And the two guys that I think are most interesting right now are Texas cornerback Malik Mohammed. and Arizona State defensive back Keith Abney.
So Those are some players I think that are considering like second-round values for the Packers at cornerback. And then for defensive tackle, you're kind of looking more at these like really big nose tackle types, run stuffers. Dominique Orange. Big Orange from Iowa State, and then Kristen Miller, the defensive tackle from Georgia.
So I think the Jonathan Gannon coming in, new defense. They're looking at restocking some of those important defensive positions. And so. Yeah, that's what I'm seeing right now in my data. It's not on my site because I really only show the first-round mocks on my site, but digging deeper into my database, I have lots and lots of data.
Um, so yeah, those are some insights that maybe might be interest to you and your listeners. Who are the Giants taking? Who's gonna Carlos Ortiz's next jersey? Yeah, yes, I'm gonna go into the Giants rookie is gonna ask for another retired number. That's the real one.
Well, from neighbors, uh, I think the so in my weighted mock draft data for the Giants. You can see that I think that kind of question will depend on whether they take a Devo wide receiver or a more lunch pail offensive tackle.
So, two-thirds of my weighted mock drafts right now are at wide receiver or offensive tackle.
So, the goal is to establish whether or not Jackson Dart is the kind of quarterback you can build a winning team around. And so, to me, the top players that we're looking at, oh, there we go. For the Giants are on the offensive tackle side, Spencer Fano from Utah and Francis Mawigoa from Miami. And then on the wide receiver side, you can see up top Carnell Tate from Ohio State. And then I think also I mentioned him earlier as like an injury concern guy, Jordan Tyson from.
Arizona State.
So There's a lot of time for these things to shake out. It's still really early. I don't wait the mock drafts that are coming in right now super high. You can see on there that I don't even call it one real mock draft in terms of how I weight things that's happened right now.
So there's still a lot of time for more important and better quality information to come out. But this is just the lay of the land that I see right now. But yeah, right now the signs are pointing offense for the Giants in the first round. And three things that we're taught as fans when it comes to looking and building your team is: number one, you got to have the quarterback, right?
So, you know, that's the signal caller. That's the guy that runs everything on the side of the ball. Number two, you need to get somebody to protect your quarterback, you know, i.e., your left tackle or a right tackle. If it's a guy like Tua and you throw his south ball. And number three, someone who can go get the quarterback, right?
You need one of those high-end edge rushers. Those are what we, as fans and football watchers, those are three components we're told you need to build your team with these positions. And they look at a team like the Giants. I theoretically have all of those things already, right? It was Jackson Dart.
Seems like that's my franchise signal caller for a foreseeable future, pending health. Two, I have Andrew Thomas in the left side as my tackle to protect Jackson Dart. And then three, Supposedly, you have it all figured out with all the improvements that they made on the defensive line.
So, when I look at the Giants picking at five, it's such a weird thing because I've been banging the table for them to tank and get as high as high as a draft pick as possible. And now that they're at fifth. with seemingly these three holes pegged pegged in. I'm like.
Now is five too high of a spot. Would it do well for the Giants to trade back considering?
Some of the needs they have are probably going to be safety, your linebacker, something you wouldn't necessarily spend a top five pick overall. Where do you eventually think? Granted, we're a couple of months away. Do you think it'd be more advantageous for the Giants to stay at five or to move back and see if they can get extra draft capital? I think if there was a stronger quarterback class, I think you'd hopefully be hearing a little more about it.
But you know, unfortunately, they played too well at the end of the season.
So. To me, I think you're trained well. I think Jackson Dart's like really interesting because. Mm-hmm. Normally, you'd be like, Yeah, like offensive line, we want to build that up.
But it seems like Jackson Dart just plays with his hair on fire and he's like running around, seeking contact, like. Doing the sorts of things where, like, holding onto the ball a lot, like, that. Taking sacks like To me, I would try to, I'd probably pick a wide receiver, getting another wide receiver to complement Malik neighbors. who also has those injury issues, right? Over like potentially a tackle.
They had a pretty successful season last year in terms of offensive line. It's a little bit under, I think, under discussed. Especially with like the regime change, but they had a decent season finally patching that offensive line. And I think you know, they really hoped that that year when they drafted Evan Neal and Kayvon Thibodeau, that like one of them would be any good. And I thought it was going to be in Neil, that he was a really impressive prospect, and he's just been anything but.
So I think it's really unfortunate. But you know, they tend to go the position, like the higher positional value picks. You know, you saw on the chart there that Caleb Downs is on there. I think it'll be a true show of kind of who is really running the show for the Giants. You know, is it Joe Shane who's been the decision maker lately?
And, you know, in terms of like the structure of decision making, like, where is he? He's been pretty good at hewing to pretty decent positional values in his drafts that he's been involved in. Yeah. But to me, the decision making around some of the Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley in that very early time in his regime have been the ones that have really been like the poison pill for how the team has been constructed. And then in terms of defense, I think they didn't really have the right coordinator.
Um But you know, I think a wide receiver is where I would go. But you know, to me, like offensive tackle, you really can't go wrong doing that again. I think like a guy like Maui Noah would be really helpful because he has that guard flexibility. If you believe that you can bring back like a Luminor or another kind of like veteran tackle. Um swing tackle type.
Um But yeah, if I'm playing the general manager role, give me Carnell Tate of those group. Benjamin Robinson grinding the mocks. We'll have to talk to you before the actual draft. Did you like that we hoodwinked? Yeah, we said we were stupid, we're actually very smart.
Um, you know, that's what uh. You know, you're just very humble, you know. The Midwestern people, they're always like, Oh, yeah, I don't know anything. And then you actually find out they're very nuanced and deep. There's a lot more beneath those cheese rinds.
Yeah, yeah. More cheese rinds is what you want. I'd love me some Wisconsin. You know, I spent a decent amount of time summer camp in. Wapaka, the Chain of Lakes area in Wisconsin.
So I have a lot of love for that. I love a good spreker. Um so give me that. My great-grandpa had a farm in Wapaka. No way.
I don't know what happened to it. I think you sold it when they died. I don't know. Yeah, because you clearly don't own it. No, he didn't.
He wanted my grandpa to be a farmer, and my grandpa's like, I'm not living this life. Let's go.
So he did something else. All right, Ben, thank you for your time. We'll be in touch. We appreciate you coming by. Yeah, of course.
Great to chat with you guys. Have a good one. Benjamin Robinson grinding the mocks. How about that? A guest?
Do you like the guest format? Yeah, yeah. I was worried. I'm like, damn, am I going to have last week we had EJ, but we know EJ. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't count.
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And we're going to talk NBA. I haven't talked NBA yet. I don't have really anything NBA to talk about. Bucs lost yesterday. One game back at the player too.
Man, the Knicks really made it interesting. One game back of the play-in. I've been watching a lot of NBA. I've been losing my ass. I mean, I've been doing NBA than I have ever in my life the last couple of weeks.
Well, my fam, my wife. is working her ass off which makes me feel like i mine too she's she's actually out In the storm. Because she's a nurse.
Well, she manages the nurses now. She's tired. My kid's tired. Basically, around nine o'clock. Bardy's Bardy's kingdom is his castle.
So I'm ripping some of these happy place hem seltzers. And setting the DraftKings and just a fucking NBA game. If only there was a promo code for these helmets. Oh, it's Bart, 25% off. Thank you.
All right. The other thing I need to do. is if I don't do it right now.
Some things, if I don't do it under the guise of content, I'm not going to do it.
So I need to do some behind the scenes. work right now, if I may. I am sick.
So let's. Should we go behind the scenes? The reason we're doing this is because when I get up, I will feel an immense pain in my ass. Yeah. it's not like it's not my butthole It's like the tailbone.
So I'm sitting in a chair. Of all the chairs I ever sit in, but this is also the chair I sit in the longest that's not a couch.
So, I'm going to try to get up, and it's really going to hurt my ass. Hold on. Stop it. Get some help. Oh, okay, not as bad.
Yeah. But I've been honestly, you move like you're 15 years older than you actually are.
Well, this chair.
So I'm sitting on not one old brewer's seat cushion. Not too old brewer seat cushions. I'd sit on it too because the brewers can kiss my ass.
Well, three. All right, listen. I want to be a hater because it's a Brewers. I actually love that seat cushion. Buy your brewers tickets by phone at the stadium or by mail.
How did you buy tickets by mail? You send a form with your information and a check.
Okay, people remember what snakes are? Huh? Do people remember what a check is? Yeah, I still write checks. I don't like checks.
I had to, I had to do one for my invoicing. And I was like, where the hell am I going to get a check from?
So there's the behind the scenes look. See this shitty ass table? And that chair is not comfortable. Doesn't look comfortable.
So in December, I asked my mother-in-law. She wanted to give me a present. I go, I need a new chair. And then she goes. Go when I got to her house, she goes, Go into the...
Office, I have a s present for you. And I went into this Office, and there was her office chair that she doesn't need anymore with like a A bow on it. Yeah. But there was also in that room a picture of her when she was like 25. Like laid out like in a provocative pose.
I'm like.
The chairs for me, right? You're not the picture. you're not giving me the picture she goes what picture Yeah, what picture? Like, she didn't know it was there.
So, I need to replace my chair. Can I do that right now? Yeah. Uh it's your stream. I mean.
Okay. Yeah, Winkler Burst, we always do some behind the scenes content, right? Gang. I'll just play drops until he's comes back.
So, Carlos, here was the chair I was using, Goldberg. Oh, fast lane chair. Yeah, when was that? March. Fifth 2017.
Yeah, 2017 is what I saw. Yeah, he kicked the shit out of Kevin Owens. For the back. God, that Goldberg run. I mean, you could say which one?
I hated almost all of them. Except when he fucked up Brock Lesnar in a squash match. That was pretty interesting.
So here's the new bad boy. But we gotta see if it works.
Okay. Okay. Okay. It looks like that is that netting, like dusty netting on it? Could be.
Good music.
Okay. This table, by the way, I found. It was in a rubbish sale and it was free. Hey boo! History.
You know why it was free?
Okay. Why was it free bark? Cause the piece of shit. There you go. There.
Remember, everybody, you're not paying for this content. This is free.
Well, a lot of Winklerverse lives devolve into Nine cents at the end.
Okay. You got me? Yeah, it looks like a legitimate office chair. It looks like actually the chair that I had in my old office. Does it have like the lumbar thing that you can adjust?
How does it work? That's funny.
Okay. Ooh. I don't know if I like this. Check to see if it has the adjustable lumbar support things, like a thing that you on the back of the chair that you could lower up and down. Yeah.
Oh no no that chair's still gonna throw it away. It is a little more comfortable. Just spring the money for a new chair. People keep shitting on me for my Background.
Okay. I think your background's better than mine. This is my living room. I have, yeah. I have Mexican white chocolate.
I have an extra white chocolate. But now this is all tilted.
Okay. Anyway, everything's a fucking mess. It expires in a year and a half. It's just Switzerland. Everything's a goddamn mess down here.
Look at this fucking mess. Yeah. It really looks like you're in a basement. Yeah. All right.
That was about That was about as entertaining as I thought it would be. That's right. What do you got there? Property of Carlos Ortiz? I don't steal my order.
What a baddest. I have to do this because I had the happy place hemp. They had CBD cream that I rubbed on my thigh when I thought I had gout. And it works, so maybe I'll have to rub my tailbone. My ass.
Take a look at the last comment. That's what the Bengals Scouting Department office looks like. Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at. That's actually pretty funny. Ooh, all right.
Uh anything else by your end? Uh no Second? I'm not centered now anymore. I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, it actually looks like your camera's at a tilt, like I'm slightly looking up at you.
But you can figure this out when um people aren't watching. But nope, nothing new. Reports still look. I've had two months to do this, and I had to wait until people were watching. I guess that's true.
We are performance artists. Mm-hmm. I do my best work live. Yeah. No second take.
Let's just keep it rolling.
So what are you going to do today? I think I already did it. This, uh, my day revolved around this stream. Also, uh, it's been a lot an enduring 24 hours getting raped by Pete Bilatti. Uh, I'm in a fantasy uh dynasty baseball league now, and I've made four trades in the last 12 hours, and I have no idea what any of these picks are worth.
I was just like, sure, I'll take that. Oh, I'll take that. You want a 10th round pick? Sure. You know, so I don't know what the hell I've been doing, but I've gotten no limit clean.
Uh and I'm gonna use a keeper on him. I traded for Cade Horton. I'm going to use a keeper on him. And I traded away movement. You're in a what league?
You got space for me? No, um, which is weird because it's only a 10-man league, but this league I took over somebody who left, so um. You know, I I don't know how long this league has been in its existence, but If you want to co-manage my team. We could do that. Nah, I don't care.
All right. Thank you for. Stopping in. Thanks to Benjamin Robinson. You want to guess next week?
No, okay. I could talk to you for an hour. I could not. you know, and do half an hour with a with a human being. Whatever floats your boat.
I'm here for the people. My ass already feels better. Ah man, my I missed my board. That would have been a drop. I gotta log off because I'm like.
20% of my brain is saying like Show some ass. Show your ass. Show it. Show your ass. By the time you start going for the drawstring, I would have hit the red arrow that says exit.
And I've met my hour quota. It's like prison. I gotta check in with my parole officer once a week. Oh, hold on, sorry. I got to do a stream real quick.
Should we each show our stink star and have listeners guess whose is whose? I mean Based on my ethnicity, people can tell what my ass looks like already. I don't need to pull down my pants. That guy eats a lot of rice and beans. Jesus Christmas.
Hey, don't use Christmas. I know I got like blood dripping out of it. He probably got a hemorrhoid too. I think I do. I definitely do.
Just, you know, since we're going to MI. God, sometimes I just have the reddest fucking Can I leave now? Just don't even say bye. Just yeah, you edit this in post.
Okay. And after the interview. And then Yeah. Thank you. Carlos, we'll talk to you next week.
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