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Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome into the Winkler Verse. I'm Bart Winkler. Grant Bill's alongside with his fridge sig. Hey!
This is what we call Diet Cokes in the business. Uh Paul Imig.
Okay. is here as well. Those of you That uh I've had lots of people asking: where was your post-game show on Sunday? A lot of people have been asking me. I was in Denver.
As I've made clear. There should be post-game shows the rest of the way, even these fun Saturday nights. Hmm. Yeah, in the past I might have called one off so I could go get shit face, but I only drink on vacation now.
So Grant, how's the pizza? It's good. The podcast, for the audience, a little inside baseball here behind the scenes. The podcast was delayed because I had to send a fax and I was waiting on the one person in our office building to help me. I came back and there was a pizza in my studio.
Because I have quite the reputation in our building of the guy who just... Hawks free food. Like, I appear when there's food anywhere in this building. They're not getting delivered. And people don't know this, but Paul has a three-camera setup and is now finally looked into the right one that we have plugged in today.
Exactly.
So it's good to see you guys. Packers lost to Denver. Um Had a lot of people tell me to stop going on these trips. Makes sense. We have lost five of the last six.
I think I've been I've said like Going out there, I knew We would lose. It wasn't quite a bullshit fashion way. But instead of that, it was They all got hurt. Little Waterloo. Oh yeah.
Uh instead they all got Okay, Grant. Pound your food. Synchronized.
Well, I'm trying to. All right. Um But yeah, it was bullshit.
Now we've lost five of our last six, we've lost four in a row. We haven't seen a win on this trip since before COVID. Brutal. We do always seem to lose in spectacularly horrendous ways. And there is something, there is something like, I really love these trips.
I really going to, I love going to away stadiums. I love like When the other team I sat by the worst collection of people that's ever existed. At a football game. Packer fans and Broncos fans. Hmm.
Packers had a much better first half than Denver. There's one fan. in front of everybody. That on every good play got up and was doing the money. Bill, dollar, bills signed.
And no one knew why. Nobody knew why. It didn't matter if it was Jordan Love or Emmanuel Wilson. Or Brandon McManus making a field goal. No one knew why.
So then in the second half, when the Packers didn't really score. Every Bronco fan around is starting to do this.
Now that sucked. The Broncos scored. I had one guy stare back and look at me. And say, why are you sad? Your team just scored, so I'm sitting here.
Like, I'm not, what do you want me to do? I'm either going to, I'm going to do one of three things: cheer. Mm-hmm. Nothing. Yeah.
Do something to get me kicked out. Yeah. And I really Did not want to do that. There was one point. There was, remember that drive?
It was like second and 15, and then we got a. in a penalty 'cause they like took the guy and shoved him down. Yes, first quarter. I'm like, fuck you, man. And I got the shot.
I got the shot from this um Worker there. Who was like Ready to have me be done. Just based on that. They're going to be awesome.
So that would have been obviously a whole night of deleted tweets if that happened, but it didn't. These ushers What I will say about these ushers. is um like overall users on a hole. I've always commended them for keeping a level of professionability. Yep.
Sorry. For real, like, even though they're a little too, like, oh, I'm a police officer now, you're not. You don't see them cheering. A lot of times you don't see them watching the game. They have a job and they're doing their job.
So in the first half, this guy stares at me like I'm gonna And in the second half, the same guy that was like Why are you sad? And also screaming a lot of worse shit than I did. is like dancing along with them. and celebrating all the stuff that's happening.
So I don't know. I just uh it wasn't just him. It was other people. Everyone was just. Everyone in our section was terrible.
I think it was sort of karma for me. Yeah. But everyone was terrible. And then I'll tell you this. I'll tell you this.
I don't go on these trips to make friends.
Okay. I won't, like, if you're on our trip and a buddy comes with you, like. I'll I'll I'll make friends. There. Um There was one guy I did talk to at a bar for a while.
We talked about all our different trips. And then he later realized that he knew me from the show. You talked to me for 20 minutes. Put nothing together, and then he saw me on Facebook. And then I ran into doing it at the game.
Um but like leaving the way out.
So many people just want to talk to you. Where are you guys from? I said East Coast. Which is true, east coast of Wisconsin. Um another guy was like Uh Oh, this one lady came up and touched me.
She's like, your tag's been bothering me. It's sticking out. I go, I like it that way. Yeah. Yeah.
We're trying to leave. We're trying to leave. We're trying to leave the stadium, and everybody's walking. And we keep stopping and starting. It's like, what could possibly be up there?
No one knew. And then it was a guy selling merch at a table in the middle of the street. And so someone I was with like knocked one of his things. And he goes, Hey, don't disrespect me. And I'm like, you're disrespecting everybody here.
You set up in the middle of the street, you jackass. He's also wearing a complete face covering. With just his eyes poking out, like What are you doing? Anyway. The track is great.
I have a question. Yeah. How much did you spend on airline? Ballpark. What do you make in a year before taxes?
Also, I'd like to know. No, hold on. I have a point to these questions. How much did you spend on the airline? Give or take, ballpark.
450. What did you spend give or take for your portion of the hotel? 250. 700 so far. We'll do our math.
700 so far. How much did you pay in just other? drinks and foods and whatnot.
Well, I bought a ticket for 200. No, don't count that. Um Drinks and food. Yeah. There was like a 48-hour period where I didn't pay for a single meal because either hotel happy hour or breakfast.
And then when we went to Wally's, the. Wisconsin bar and Denver.
So you remember toilet wings? I d I remember the story. Folks, this is the sequel. Oh, no. You're 41 years old, pal.
So there were some cheese curds abandoned that we were like picking at. That's fine. But then there was like a row of food that hadn't been out for an hour that wasn't touched. Not a single bite was touched.
Somebody clearly came, nothing was touched. And so I took the burger.
Okay. Smart. I did several laps. I took the burger, and my friend the next day was like. Sh You eating that burger, as gross as it was, and I go, not gross.
As gross as it was, I've never seen anyone eat a burger that way. I go, what do you mean? He goes, you just had it in your hand and you were like eating it like it was a granola bar. It was so fucking weird. I don't know.
So, all right.
So, what are we up to? Probably food and drinks. Let's say 300.
Okay. So, it's perfect math, actually, it's $1,000 without your ticket. It's more than that, but. Let's just call it a thousand bucks without the ticket. Here's one thing I don't understand.
And I saw you got some grief for this in the comments on Twitter over the weekend. Like, why are your seats so bad? Right? That you got a little bit of that on the social media. My curiosity.
Is why someone would spend $1,000 to go far away and then sit. in the 1017th row. I don't get it. Why would you not spend more of the resources on the ticket? And then less on the other account.
That would be how I would allocate. My spending. Because then like you're gonna be I don't know, like, could you see the game? Is your, I know you're a 2020 vision guy. I know your eyesight is 2010.
2010 even better. But I don't know, that didn't make sense to me. Like every time you've gone that I've seen... You've been in like the nosebleeds. No.
So, because I'm making the effort to go there, I should splurge more on the tickets? Yes. That's way too much effort to sit. A mile away, no pun intended with Denver. Paul, I am from Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.
Oh. I just a minute ago told you I ate garbage burger. But you didn't not spend A good chunk of change overall on the trip. We also found a hotel that had Continental breakfast, which was incredible. Smart, very smart.
Yeah, nothing. Including a free omelette bar. They had nighttime happy hour, free drinks and free food. You made a good hotel choice, it sounds like. We're tr we're we we're We're all like cheaping out the way we can.
I mean, I flew through Kansas City. I had a buddy through. Like, we're not trying to spend money. We're trying to go there and also not spend money.
Okay, if that's the goal, I get it. Oh, I get it. Yeah. Maybe 450? Flying is Again, if you're going to like Portland.
Or you're going to like Amarillo, airline tickets, you get so boned these days. Like, you can't.
Well, you know what I noticed too is. The days of um Oh, maybe I'll have a seat next to me. They pack these things, they won't fly unless they're overbooked now. And now everyone's like, well, we need more bags checked. You can do it for free, but there's no room on the plane.
somehow on three flights. Even sitting in Southworst B class fifties. I did get three aisle seats, two at the front of the plane. I was pretty happy about that. Yeah, flying solo.
Yeah, sat next to some hotties. That was good. Do you do you think it's bad form when people give you shit for your ticket selection or your seat location? Or do you get it? What I posted was two mile high stadium, a joke I've been working on for weeks.
We were trying to figure out: do I want to do 1.2 mile high or two mile high? I think 1.2 makes more sense, but two mile high sells the joke more effectively. Sure. I also wanted to make the joke: it's not the, because it was hot in Denver, it was nice. I wanted to say, it's not the heat that will get you, it's the altitude.
But that really didn't make sense to anybody besides the three people I said it to. Prior.
So I thought two mile high worked. And then, yes, somebody asked me. Give Euchre a high five for me. You know, because we're so high near the stars. I just think: here's the reason I say any of that, and it wasn't to be a shithead, but it was like we had the conversation, the three of us last week.
Where you're like, I should have, on my radio salary, bought a box seat for all my friends. I don't know why you didn't. I don't know why you didn't. Shep and I are both very curious about why you didn't do it. Um grand.
Yes. We talked last week. about like so bart was if you got free seats you're gonna go to the game and you and i like Well, are they on the 50? Uh like uh ten degrees. No No, that was our qualifications.
You were comparing, like, when people get a free brewer's ticket, or when people get a free Bucks ticket, the Bucks ticket, they'll get a free ticket.
Well, was parking included? This is how you were framing it last week. And you said, Yeah, but people are going to accept a free Packers ticket.
So I just want to tell you where I'm coming from. I'm coming from the place of saying, To leave the house. Mm. You know, and then go all the way somewhere and do the whole thing. But again, if you're.
If your strategy, if your goal is, hey, we're going to go and we're going to spend as little money as possible. While also Getting shit, you know. Shit-faced as much as you can, considering you don't drink in Wisconsin anymore. Maybe you accomplished your mission. But I personally sent on vacation.
I can take family vacation. I can take Wisconsin vacations. I see what you're saying. Yeah. But so it just works in Hale's Corners.
It's basically like a vacation. Yeah. So anyway. All of it to say. Glad you had fun and didn't get kicked out of the game.
But Going so far. to sit so far away doesn't translate in my brain. I feel like the picture makes it look farther away. In person, did it feel like you were as far away as the picture made it look? It always looks farther away on the picture that you take.
I mean, it's up there, but you get a good. I, you know, and I will say this: and the halftime show is great, by the way. I found out what mutton busting was: it's a bunch of kids riding sheep. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I thought these kids, I thought, I mean, they fall like, whoa, how is this legal?
Uh One thing I do like about these trips, Paul. Is that you can watch the plays develop from up there?
Okay. I always watch games on T V. I like to have that angle. The TV copy, as you refer to it, as if you watch other things, which I don't, which is why it's Fun to refer to the game on television as the D copy. You got to watch the R22 Live.
Yeah. Yeah. And I like to see the stadium. We got a gorgeous view of the mountains. Cool.
I have no regrets. I see if you're in there. Yeah. Hmm. No regrets.
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I suppose we could talk about the game instead of me, even though it is my podcast and this is my job now since I'm losing my show. I'd like to think that the listeners maybe appreciated this 15 minutes of grab ass to. escape the reality of what is the the Packers current injury situation. Yeah. So I am a The first question I want to ask you guys is either a really, really good question.
Or a really simple, dumb question. Real quick, though. I don't know which. Go ahead, Bart. I thought I hit the blank.
Grant is responding as if I Go ahead, Bart. You do that. I thought you merged at the appropriate time. Thank you. I spent a lot of time also arguing with Bears fans on the trip.
Because of that tweet where they did Green Bay sucks at the Blackhawks Red Wings. I saw your back and forth. That seemed annoying. I don't understand how people can think that that's not the dumbest thing ever. And then people are trying, including Jim Rutledge.
Now I made a new enemy. Thanks, Jim. Aren't you supposed to be doing the opposite of that? Yeah, but Jim's a Bears fan, masquerading as a Wisconsin fan. I can only like one of those at a time.
Who's that, Rami? Yeah. Yeah. And I'll probably break down Packers. We're going to break it down this week.
Ron, we're going to preview it from all angles. We're going to get you ready for the big game. Mm-hmm. So that's all I wanted to say. Just more about me.
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or a really simple obvious one. And I didn't want to. It's been a long time since I've used Twitter as like a personal polling site, but I might do it after we talk about this, depending on your reactions to it. I'm going to give you two scenarios. One is that the Packers have the number one seed with a buy, home field advantage throughout.
Without Micah Parsons. The other is that they're the number seven seed. No buy on the road throughout with Micah Parsons. And I want to know which you would prefer. The number one seed.
With no parsons, the number seven seed. with Parsons. Did I say without? You know what I meant. Number one, say without.
Number seven, with. I asked two friends. They both said Number seven with Parsons.
So I'm going to ask you. Of those two choices. The best thing for the Packers. It is to be of these two hypotheticals. You would rather the Packers be the number seven seed.
and still have Micah Parsons. than the number one seed and not have him available. The better option, seven seed with Parsons. Or mm-mm. P.I., you son of a bitch.
Okay, good question. I'm thinking it's what you're doing.
Well, and we didn't rehearse this today.
So, Grant, whatever you can go first, whatever side you take, I'll take the opposite. And we can argue at it like, you know, we're an ancient civilization fighting over. religion or something. I think both are very good outcomes. Either would surprise me, or either would make me very happy.
Um I'm tempted. I don't think there's a right answer here, but I'm tempted to say, mm-hmm. The better option is to have Parsons. and be the seventh seed. This year in this field.
Sure. Because in this year, with this field, I don't think there's a juggernaut. Like last year, it's like, shit, you can't go on the road to fight. Yeah, people can shit on Jordan Love. He might be the best quarterback in the playoffs, guys.
Yeah, like besides Josh Allen. And that's unique to this year. I'm like. And I even brought this up on my show before Parsons got hurt last week. I said, look.
I think winning the division is super important. But if they don't, Like, I still don't feel like they're drawing debt against anybody in any building, right? I maybe I would have thought that about Seattle two months ago, I don't anymore. Maybe I would have thought that about Philly two months ago. I don't anymore.
Ampa Bay and Carolina are actively trying to give the other the division.
So again, I don't know that there's a right or a wrong choice, but being the seventh seed this year with this field is not a death sentence in the way that it would feel in other seasons.
Okay. So, you're going to say to being the preference of the seventh seed with Micah Parsons. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Other advantages of the one seed, you get a free week, you get a week off, you get to be healthy.
You're not going to lose on wild card weekend, and that's not happening. No, but the disadvantages would be You know you're losing at Lambo in the playoffs. That's no fun. I would rather be the seventh seed with Micah Parsons. Yeah.
Without question.
Okay. Lock it in, send it in. Let's go. Yeah. We It's really a shame that he got hurt.
Yeah. Um And if I The cycle happened again. I'm going to start referring it. I need a better name for it. It's not.
I need, I want to say cycle. It's something that's. I need to brand it though, but it's the cycle where.
Something terrible for your team's chances of winning. The Super Bowl. Yeah. We are rooting for the Green Bay Packers to win the Super Bowl. Yes.
And they're hit. Or their chances of doing that take a tremendous hit. Without Micah Parsons. Yeah. What is Rashawn Gary going to step up?
If he could double the amount of sacks he's had the last seven games, he'd have zero. Right. Exactly.
It took a tremendous hit. And if you're a Packer fan, Because I'll get on people sometimes when they're saying, oh, season's over. If you're a Packer fan and you're like, oh my God, this is awful. This sucks. We're doomed.
Season's over. How are you not like that? Yeah. At one point, I thought Jordan Love was down. It ended up being Zach Tom.
Because I sat so far in the sky, I can't fucking see numbers or height and weight. I wasn't even sure there was another time I thought Jordan Love was hurt. It was a Broncos player. I was like, oh, fuck, I can't see shit up here. Why'd I even come?
Yeah. I'm still sick, by the way. Like, I'm not feeling any better. I am too. It's brutal.
There's a new COVID. People just aren't aware of it. We'll find out in about a year. That's what Trump's announcement is tomorrow night, actually. He's announcing it from the White House.
Yeah. That's a good one. I Think we're fucked. Oh, come on. Yeah.
So the cycle, though, back to the cycle. Cycle is. Packers play a game, something bad happens. Everyone goes worst case scenario, which is we're not going to win the Super Bowl. And then what happens after that?
Some of these Super Packer fans have to come out there and say, I'm never giving up on my Green Bay Packers. Sure. Okay, that's fine. But then they start to attack. Like, how could you ever for a question?
You're just a bandwagon, front runner. The Green Bay Packers' odds of winning a Super Bowl without Micah Parsons are tremendously worse than with Micah Parsons. Right. Yes, we can look back at 2010. Oh, there were injuries, fine.
But man, if you're upset that they lost Micah Parsons and all the other guys that got hurt. That's fine. Yeah. That's that like that's not being a pessimistic fan. Correct.
That's being there's a difference. This is the this is my Biggest fucking gripe with sports. There's a difference. Between looking at something And calling it for what it is. than there is always just being a Debbie downer.
There's a difference. And I would argue That the people Who are Positive patties. Positive patties. Never upset. Always believe.
You're worse. You're delusional. And you're worse. And then at the end of the season, what are you going to do? They're going to lose in the wild card round.
And what are you going to say, positive Patty? With no disrespect to Patty, who I love that listens, and I'm in her fantasy league. But you're going to say, oh, we had a great run. I had so much fun. They battled with these injuries.
God, we'll get them next year. It's been.
Next year.
Next year can drive next year. For those of us waiting to get back to the Stage with Terry Bradshaw's confused ass handing out the trophy, okay? Been a long time. Been a long time. So If you're worried about the injuries, be worried.
Don't participate in this cycle. They're fucked. They're most likely still going to make the playoffs. And even when the Rams were trying to figure out Rams and Lions, people are like, oh, I want the Rams to lose because the Packers are fighting for the one seed. The fuck if they are, I want the Lions to lose.
So we make the playoffs. I do not believe. That all is dire. But The season ended on Sunday.
So that means of the four people I've polled. The two of you and two friends, it is four to zero in favor of the number seven seed with Parsons. I think that is mm-hmm. The correct answer. But I do think it is to your point a little bit, Bart, depends on what your goal is, what your expectations are.
If it's. to have as many Saturday or Sundays to watch the Packers play football as possible. To be competitive in an ultimate loss, that you can look ahead and say, you know what, though, but imagine when they do have Kraft and Parsons back and when they are. What you know, like if if but but if your goal is the Super Bowl. Doing that without one of the 10 most important non-QBs in the league.
I think that's easy to say. You could probably say top five. No.
Top 10 for sure, most important non-QB3.
Well, it depends what wide receiver you might uh other edge rushers, you know, Miles Garrett, but it's a short list. It's a short list of non QBs who are more important to a team's success than Micah Parsons, especially the way he's playing this year. I think so I'm gonna put it to five zero. Yes, the number seven seed with Parsons is. the better of those two.
Bart, you were more strong in that opinion than Grand was. What do you think? Packers fan universe, you get a thousand respondents. How many of those 1,000 are agreeing with us? I think it's over 90%.
Okay. Grant, where's your number? I'd probably be I think we'd be in the majority. I think.
Okay. You guys, by the way, like and subscribe. Leave your answer in the comments. And we'll read some of the best ones. I Man, I also, so Bart, you're describing the cycle.
I think of it as a progression, a Packers progression. You could, it doesn't sound as I like the alliteration. I always go for the alliteration, but another thing that we're hearing, and this is part of the. of my cycle. What about like a coping cycle?
Well, yeah, but it's a hard and a soft C. But now, what we're hearing this week, and obviously, I hated it when I said it. It makes me mad. It's like, well, just think next year when they'll have Kraft and Watson. It's like, no, I don't want to forecast next year.
And also, another common theme is: you know, everyone talks about this injury. I actually think it was this injury that was worse. Everyone talks about Micah Parsons, Christian Watson. You know, actually. Actually, Devin Williams.
I mean, or Zach Tom. It's like, oh, that's the one. You guys are. I'd be like, we've done this before. And that might be, I'm not mocking, like, that might be accurate.
I'm just, it just feels like we've. We've done this before, then it sucks. But I don't think they're as porked as you think. Um And I I mean, there's still like you're right, the NFC is very wide open. To say the season's over.
But I don't know. It's changed my expectation. Like I am now, and maybe as a fan, like maybe that's going to be more fun for us. But also, did it change? The expectation of Matt LaFleur.
Yeah. See so again And what is it with these fucking injuries? We're going to trade yacht. We haven't had a healthy postseason since we won. The Brewers Jesus Christ.
And that trade, what the fuck? Love it. What's the deal with all these injuries? I Paul, you might bring up the Bucks. I don't know.
I do want to on Monday. All right, before you do that, can I give another NFL-related thought or three? Yes, please. You may. Um So we think Philip Rivers came back for the health insurance?
Probably. That's what I thought when I saw that. I did not think that until I saw the thing that said he gets another five years and 10 kids. I mean, again, I said this to you guys in a text, but. I don't care like how much money you made.
10 children and health insurance. Keep mine. Like, when you were, I mean, listen, he made millions and millions. What are the cons of Philip Rivers coming back if you're Phillip Rivers and you're doing a pros cons list? I don't think there is one.
The only one would be pushing out the Hall of Fame thing, but I think that works better to his advantage for coming back. Like, I think that it helps him. I saw that he's only behind McCaffrey for comeback player of the year. If he can add another, absolutely. Fuck, yes.
God, I should have bet on that right away. God damn it. Absolutely. Yeah, Joe Flacco had five games, be the dead guy. Philip Rivers was out four years.
Yeah. He's got to be comeback player of the year. This is the definite. If you look up comeback in a dictionary, There won't be a picture of anyone because there's not pictures in the dictionary, but it would be something very similar describing what's happening with Philip Rivers. Yes.
Um.
So classic Bart misdirection.
So yeah, he The health insurance thing made sense. I don't, I actually honestly. Even if we did this as like a Think of something that you don't believe, but still say it because we're doing a debate show. Like, I don't even know what else I would say about the cons of why you wouldn't come back.
Well, getting hit from light from a legacy perspective. Getting hit. Getting hit. But he said in an interview this week that he kind of misses getting hit, that he would say that to his wife: I just want to, you know. We get out there and get hit.
Some of these guys are sick in the head. Don't forget that. Why is he not on TV? Why am I enduring JJ? Because he has 10 kids.
He needs the money to pay for them, I guess. Yeah, how is the Netflix health insurance? Su Sunday Studio analyst, is there a more family-friendly job in the entire damn world?
Okay, so 16 weeks a year, you go to LA for a Sunday and you sit in a room. That's coming. Those are six. No, hey, no, hold on. Those are 16 Saturdays and Sundays.
I'm sure he's traveling on Saturday. That his school-age kids, who are only home and not in school during the weekend, Don't get to see Dad. I'm not a parent, so I defer to you. Turn on channel six if you want to see dad. Yeah.
It's absolutely the same. All right, our Chiefs thing. Is I saw Rich Eisen's take that. People are going to miss them in the playoffs. And credit, Carlos Ortiz predicted it.
I also had the Lions out of the playoffs. Let's see what I'm saying. You guys both might not be. Yeah. Carlos is already correct.
You might be correct. And these are like outlandish air quotes type of takes, and you're not going to even be there to celebrate them. Uh one on that in a minute. The Colts, not the Colts, the Chiefs. There is something a little anti-climatic.
Climatic? You always get me that. Climactic. That's what I say. That's what you try to say.
My MACTIC! Nailed it. Do I say climactic? No, you no, you like most people say climatic. No, I always say tick.
No, right. Climatic. All right. Yeah, so it's more climatic. That if they lost in the playoffs, we want them in so we can root them out.
To just lose. in the middle of the afternoon and then all of a sudden my homes is hurt And then instead of like, I'll get stronger, he's like, why me? What the fuck? Did you see that? He's like, don't understand what's happening to me.
Happens to like all of you guys. That's part of the job. You're gonna rip up your leg. But, you know, thoughts and peas. All right.
I I have a strong counter to that thought and that part of it. Poetic tragedy, right? Like the idea that, like, this generational. Patrick Mahomes chief run. literally ended On the play in which he tears his ACL.
It's dark. I'm not trying to like, you know, dance on the guy's torn ACL, but like, that is how you write. the script of the ending of like the major league style movie bar, right? Where Ken Griffey robs the home run at the wall. You build up this incredible run.
And then it's not just like slowly peters out. It ends with like the biggest thing you could have happen, which is on the play in which you're eliminated from the playoffs, which Mahomes has never had happen, which the Chiefs haven't done in 10 years, it ends with the torn ACL. That is Storytelling, like that is art. I mean, like, I realize it's like this. This is how you would script it if you were writing the WWE script.
Maybe Triple H wouldn't need fucked up. I don't know about that. No, yes, you would. This is how you end. This is how it starts.
It's got to end how it starts. But the point is, though, this is out of end. Hold on. Yeah. This isn't leading me to the end.
Like they should end in an AFC championship game in overtime. But they still can. Right? Like Patrick Mahomes isn't retiring. Yeah, the dynasty.
Yeah, I get it. But where this movie ends. It ends. On the 2B continued, of him tearing his ACL. It is poetically.
incredible that it happened like that. May I posit something? It wasn't that long ago where the Chiefs were America's darling, and we all wanted Andy Reid to win it. You remember this, right? We were all pulling hard for the Chiefs, and then they won so much that we're cheering against them.
I'm wondering if it's possible for them to get back to a place. Post-Mahomes' injury, building back. Do they ever again become a sympathetic figure because we're pulling for the comeback? Or are they too far gone? Because I don't think that ever happened with the Pats.
Brady hurt his knee, and then they had that long drought, and it was like Dynasty Part Two, which is a weird comparison, but like, kind of spooky. Like, do the Chiefs ever get back to that point? Yes. Or where we're cheering for them as a public because we like the comeback and the redemption. I don't know.
Again, I don't think I will. I know, I would be very surprised if I do. I think the average American football fan absolutely will. Hmm. Interesting.
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I thought it was a really good topic, teed up by Grant.
Well, no, I want to go longer form with you guys. But we got to get our Bucks one in. I got to pick up my kid. All right. It's a Winkler whip around.
I like it. He's distributing here. Yeah. Winkler whip around. There you go.
Um, don't get barked backlash from it. Ooh. We're done. I gotta go. Oh, it should be whiplash.
Fuck it. That was not good.
Okay. Programming note. Oh, that's another thing we talked about today. We played darts. Oh, now I like win at all these games with my buddies.
Like, I've never won. I won darts. It's all about the attitude. I won bocce ball. Doesn't fucking matter.
I just win every time.
Now they call me Bart Winkler. But They never I put in the name, I put B dubs. Because no one's ever called me B-dubs ever. And everyone's like. Everyone's like, what the fuck?
And I go, yeah. And then it did. Programming note. Thursday. I'm going to do something with Rami.
We're going to talk Packers Bears. I'm going to tell him making it your personality is the worst. And now I see these ESPN Chicago's and Milwaukee's going back together. I want to fry my phone in the fucking dishwasher. I cannot stand this bullshit.
Don't make it your personality. Thursday is going to be my last radio show, possibly ever.
Okay. Lave, I could do one or two minutes to say something nice. When I got laid off the first time. From Odyssey, the first time. This happened for a bunch of different reasons.
People, I gotta shout out Ty Windish. He's with Blue Wire. He I'm not here without Ty Windish, first of all, on these podcasts. Yeah. Um So he got me into that.
Obviously, Carl's Place and Dan Shaney and Happy Place Hemp, and everyone's, and we're going to be doing some good stuff coming up.
So. But without you guys listening and watching and even Whatever part of this Winkler verse is. We kept it going because I knew I would get laid off again at some point. I mean, that really is. And there's been dips, there's been highs, where, but I've always tried to keep it, and you guys, oh, fucking Christ, you guys being a part of it.
I mean, it's almost been the anchor. This has been the anchor. This is the Tenpole Show.
So thank you and everybody else.
So everybody else, everybody else. I honestly do not know if I'll ever be on the radio again as a show. People are like, oh no, 2026, big thing. You don't, no one knows. The landscape, everything.
Um I was like kind of fine with that. Or not fine with that, but it's like The man. People really are telling me that they liked my show and they should have because it was fucking good. It was. Is and so I am gonna.
I'm gonna bring my laptop. I'm gonna go live on my final segment. And I am just going to say like Yeah, I'll podcast, I'll broadcast. Radio is so different. And I kind of like that I've never really been on video with that show because it's just radio.
There are people, I tell the story. My dad's driving around Alabama trying to get up one. Dad, I'm on the radio. He found me. Like, just people driving around.
Nobody, the people that know me and are with me and like the show. They didn't get there for any other reason than they listened to the radio. Banger. They didn't see a billboard. They didn't see a tweet.
The game ended, and the eye was on. They're driving around, driving a truck. Oh, this is not a commercial. He's talking sports.
So anybody that's with me in the final show is with me because of the radio. And it kills me to have to leave radio. And it also kills me that I was not given enough of an opportunity To continue. And I'm going to mention that. Yeah.
Because they gave us two months. They told us two months ago this was happening. And that's a great amount of time. But we got over the hump of maybe I don't want to say anything because I'm going to lose my chance. Then into all right, we'll do the nice goodbyes.
And now we're in the final week. And now I'm a little pissed. Makes sense. So we'll see how that sounds. Also, I'm going to thank the people directly involved with my hiring.
David Miranik, Spike Eskin. There's a lot of other people in Odyssey that are getting thanked. I ain't mentioning those names. I never fucking talked to one of them once. Huh.
So fuck that. All right, we have seven minutes. Or I do. Good stuff. You guys, I'll leave if you want to continue.
Yeah. All right. Um Have you seen the... Big game hunting. Milwaukee Bucks reports.
Now Here's what I want to ask you guys. Grant, one of your eyes just went in the back of your head if you could get it back quick. Here's the way I'll mention the way that Jake Fisher had teed this up. He included names.
Okay. Let me rephrase that. He included puk-conducing names of these big game hunters. Such as Zach Levine, Jeremy Grant, Andrew Wiggins, Marcus Smart, and DeJounte Murray. First off.
Let's be careful with. The connotation like big game hunting and then these names. There's two paths.
Well, there's three paths. One is the Bucs can do nothing. Like they continue with this roster, they're in the play-in tournament. Giannis stays, they're a play-in team, and we see what happens. Let's say that I don't think that's what's gonna happen.
They're either gonna go do a big thing, or you know, or they're gonna trade Giannis, right? Um right now as it stands today. You get to pick. You get to pick your bucks future. grant bills.
You get to pick your bucks future Bart Winkler. You would rather? between the option of trading honest again let's just assume it's not a total Horseshit type of trade. They don't get Nico Harrison. It's a perfectly acceptable, not amazing, but good bucks trade.
Giannis is gone. Or. They Use the 2031 first-round pick. They package up Portis and Kuzma and maybe Gary Trent to go get. Trey Murphy or Michael Porter Jr., or some of these names that I would say are.
Big game hunting names. Michael Porter Jr. is a big game hunting name for sure. I think Trey Murphy, especially if he's with Herb Jones from New Orleans, I think Grand is making facial expressions that tell me he hates that. But I think that's like as big of game hunting as you can.
You're such a service to the audio listener. You're incredible. Unless. Unless you are resonating with some of these Anthony Davis trade proposals, which I am not. He is a big game hunting name.
Please don't do that, and please miss the you know championship last few years because of injury, you want to go get. Anthony Day to Davis. Right. And please also not John Morant.
So Java John Morant would obviously be a big game hunting name. Please don't do the John Morant thing. I only want John Morant if they hire Ram on staff to mentor him as a young man in Milwaukee. That would, it would have to be contingent on that. All right, your two pads.
They trade Giannis for a good but not incredible package. Or they trade the 2031 first, package some other guys, Kuzma, Portis, et cetera, and get a. Michael Porter Jr., Trey Murphy. The better path of those for you personally today, picking your Bucks future. is the tradianus path.
Grant bills, mm-hmm. Or mm-mm. Mm-hmm. 'Cause I don't think Giannis is bought in and apparently he can't stay healthy.
So I I'm not obsessing over trying to make it perfect around him if he's not bought in. And I don't think he can stay healthy for a full season.
So, uh, no. Are you getting four first for him? I mean, he's gotta get better than Desmond Bain. Can I Can I just say, by the way, I don't appreciate all of these insiders feigning concern for the future of the Milwaukee Bucks. You guys don't give a shit.
You might have the opposite. Yeah. You might be rooting for the down. You're tired of having to watch them. You want one less team.
on your plate.
So, I would rather trade Giannis. What I would do right now is nothing. That's what I would do. I would do absolutely nothing, and I would stare Giannis in the eye and say, if you want to ask out, go ahead. We'll do it in the summer.
Otherwise, this is the roster that we're building. We don't think there are any assets out there that are worth burning our last couple of chips on, and they're not. Because Trey Murphy and supporting cast players are only as good as Giannis', and he doesn't care, and he's not healthy.
So I'd say we're going to do nothing, and we're going to gear up for next summer, get healthy, and go off if you'd like. And if you request a trade, then trade him in the summer. That's what I would do. If I was the Bucs, I would spend less resources on AI people trying to sell me tickets, and I would put together a research group. I would put together, I would call 500 Bucks fans and I would put them in the survey system and I would craft different messages about how acceptable a goodbye letter would be from Giannis.
And I would fine-tune it so perfectly that the 500 Bucks fans. Are at least in some sort of agreement, like, yes, if this is what he said, we totally understand and harbor no ill will. And then I would give it to Giannis and say, all you gotta do is sign this. We have meticulously We have gone through the, what's that called? Crowdsource this.
You say this, we're all good. We know you're on the fence, sign it, and we will trade you to the destination of your choice. But we're not doing this bullshit where you're commenting on Instagram, me and Bobby forever, where then there's all these reports you just want sun skies and sunshine and rainbows. That's what I would do. Also.
To me. There is Zero pathway where the Bucks trade Giannis and then get something where they're all of a sudden contenders again by 2031. And they're like, This is it. You had Kareem, it took another 40 years. It's gonna be like that again.
They were okay in the 80s. They were I said the other day, you're on the Titanic. When you're on the Titanic. You try to get off the lifeboat. When you're not getting off the life, but I hate that we use the Titanic reference.
Hundreds of people died. Also, it may have been a hit job. Look into that. Also, it might have been a different ship. Yes, that too.
And the banking systems, and there's a whole bunch of Paul. You guys send this shit to me. I like shipwreck conspiracies. Oh, the b it was the b the it was it was So go down with the ship. Polish the violins.
Rearrange the chairs. Eat the last off the buffet. The ship is going down. The Bucs are no longer title contenders the minute you trade Giannis.
So throw your 2031 at the wall. Whoa. Doodle! You're trying to win with Giannis, or you're not trying to win at all. You don't want to save any of the good stuff for the next ship that you build that will be out in five years?
This fucking product right now is so goddamn stinky with these fucking fourth quarters that take forever and SGA. Who I didn't realize this is a nickname for him, FTA. That's pretty funny. I've not heard that. I like it.
The one time it got a little fast and loose in Denver was Sunday night at the bar. There was a guy wearing a Shea jersey with a Broncos hat, and we were yelling at him like, You're ruining the fucking league. By the way, shout out to Weminyama for like totally. diss track slamming Shea Gilgis Alexander and the Thunder. It's a good start of a NBA Cup tonight.
Pick.
Next. I'll take the Knicks as well. I don't think Grant knows the two teams we're playing. Fuck you. Make the case to the other team.
Who are they playing? Spurs. Spurs. Okay. All right.
Anything else from you, P.I.? To be clear, Grant is trading Grant's decision. What Grant wants as a Bucs fan is to trade Giannis today. I think Grant more wants Giannis to have to say it first. Yeah, make his, I want to hear his dirty little mouth say it.
I don't want reports that say, well, really, he's unhappy with his agents stirring all this up. We've heard a lot of reports about you sleeping around. Look me in the eye and tell me you're not fucking Linda. Yeah. I want to hear your pretty.
Here's the question: Is Linda New York-based or Miami-based? That bitch a hoeshee every way. And then Bart, you're the complete opposite of Grant. You want to. trade the 2031 first and Make it as good as you can.
I will just say I think the best option has been and continues to be to trade Giannis for a haul.
However, I spent way too much time last night. Finding like a lot of updated info about Michael Porter Jr. To the point where I am now like Michael Porter Jr. on this Bucs team for some sort of 2031 first plus Kuzma plus Portis package. would be Perfect?
Like the perfect player for what they would then need. I know Brooklyn won five games so far this year. I don't know if I want to trade Koos. I kind of like his attitude. All right.
What a douchebag. Then you really are going down with the ship, if that's like your guy. I think it's ridiculous that all those players can just no-show a game and be like, yeah, what a life lesson you learn in this league. If you don't come ready, that'll happen. And everyone's like, fire Doc.
It's like, Doc is the person I'm least angry with right now. They are lucky that was on mostly during a Packers game. Yes. And yes. Not nationally broadcast or, you know, prime time, anything.
Yes. 414-799-1250. Did Micah Parsons ACL save the Bucs season? Did it save Doc Rivers' job? Wow, that is a stupidly but perfectly crafted question, actually.
These players do not deserve to have their coach fired. I want to clone Doc so there's two of them, and then they have to play for two Doc Rivers. Screw you, dude. I want them to hire Adrian Griffin. Like some lady whose name is Adrian Griffin.
I would like to see her hired. By the way, you know how you were not a valued coach? How a year and a half after being fired, no one cares, and no one's interested in hiring you. Yeah, how about that? That's how you know.
Like, you don't just get fired with a What 30 and 17? What was his record? It was really good. 30 and 17 or something. All right, my son's in line.
All right, bye.
Well, no, no, I mean yeah, yeah, that's kind of it's kind of Um I would trade Giannis today, but We talked last week about bad trading. Would you trade Giannis for a healthy Micah Parsons? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Giannis is traded for a total horseshit from the Knicks.
Luca to Lakers style package. Mockingly, you will be the joke of the league for a decade for this type of trade, but you get Parsons back for the playoffs. Mm-hmm. or one billion billion fucking billion google percent 51 minutes in. I hope people make it to that because that's please God.
We finally, we were that minor, minor, minor. We didn't turn around, we got a fucking diamond. In the comments. And everybody else is gonna be talking about. Do bear you play bears still suck at weddings?
Go fucking retire. I'm an unemployed one. I do have to go like badly. Yeah. Put W's in the comments, chat.
Love you, chat. Thanks for stopping into the Winklerverse. And now, superhuman shack. I keep telling them not to say that. I'm no superhuman.
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