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The Canes made HUGE moves and this a BIG basketball rivalry this weekend!

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March 8, 2024 3:56 pm

The Canes made HUGE moves and this a BIG basketball rivalry this weekend!

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March 8, 2024 3:56 pm

Luke DeCock, News & Observer, on his thoughts regarding the Carolina Hurricanes grabbing Jake Guentzel and what he anticipates during the Duke vs UNC game this Saturday.

Who is this new Carolina Hurricanes team, making trade deadline moves? What does this do for the Canes’ draft capital? How does this move change things up for the players that are there now and the future? Who does Luke give the advantage to in the Duke vs UNC matchup? 

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Visit us at capitalfinancialusa.com. The Carolina Hurricanes transformed into somebody not named Carolina Hurricanes in the last 24 hours. They added Jake Gantzel in a trade with Pittsburgh. They just acquired Evgeny Kuznetsov. Who knows if they're done? I suspect they're done.

Who knows? But I know they have roster issues. Let's talk about that. And tomorrow's basketball game with Luke Tkach, columnist for The News and Observer. I knew they were, the reports were that they were in on Jake Gantzel, but we had reports that they were in on Timo Meyer a year ago and they were in on Ilias Pedersen this year. This is different. I think this is, this is a departure from much like free agency in this summer. Departure from what they have normally done. Your thoughts on not only Gantzel, but really something that's probably more on brand for them. How they secured Evgeny Kuznetsov.

Yeah, I mean, one, I mean, the Gantzel talk as I wrote this week was real. You know, this was, this was the time if the Hurricanes were ever going to do this, now was the time. I think they understood that.

When you look at how last year ended, when you look at how 2022 ended, they knew that they were going into a gunfight with a knife. And this changes that. I don't think, though, when we talk about, yes, it's unusual for the Hurricanes to get involved in the rental market.

It is. One, I think they honestly believe that they can re-sign Gantzel, that this is not a three month deal. And two, when you look at what they gave up for him, it's basically what they traded for Doug Waite in 2006. It's a conditional first, a conditional later round pick, and a roster player who they liked, but this is an upgrade. And some prospects you're not going to miss. Not that they're bad players, but they're not in your top five prospects.

Right. That's like the weight deal. The weight deal was a first two fours, Mike Zigamanis, Jesse Bolaras, and Magnus Komburg. Like nobody's looking back at that saying, man, we really, we really messed up letting Magnus Komburg slip out of our net. And look, Vasily Panamara looked good in his NHL debut and, and you know, Billy Koivin is a player they've liked for a long time.

And, you know, I think we'll get a chance in the NHL, but he's probably not a top six guy. You're not giving up anything you're going to miss. You know, you're not giving up either of the defenseman, Alexander Nikitian or Scott Morrow. You're not giving up Jackson Blake. You're not giving up Bradley Nadeau. You're not giving up Glenn Trizokov has turned out to be the best of the 8 million Russians they've drafted in the last couple of years.

You know, you're, you're, you've done it in a way. I mean, look, that first round pick, you make the finals is going to be 30 something. And who cares at that point? So I don't feel like they've, they've paid a ransom for Jake Genzel. They had the cap space to do it. They didn't have to get rid of anybody to make the cap space work. Now by trading bunting, the cap space ends up being a wash, but you know, they had enough cap space left to go get Kuznetsov, which is yes, more of their typical deal buying low on somebody.

But he's not the only addition in years past. It would have just been his nets off. And now you've got gone and gotten, you know, the number one available goal scorer on the market. You sniff around on Patterson to see if you can get something done. You can't, you know, they sniffed around on Meyer.

That price was too high for them. This one is not. And I think there's several takeaways from this. Number one is they're in, and just as the weight trade and the recce trade in 2006 sent a mentions to that roster that we believe in you, you can do this.

This is legit. Cause there were questions. It wasn't like they went into that season talking about a Stanley. No.

Yeah. I think in the back of Peter lab, he lets mind he always was, but nobody realistically said, Hey, you know, let's go out and, and win the Stanley cup. It was a team that grew and developed and became a contender. And those trades put the stamp of authority on that for this group, which has, you know, quite frankly, I think we can say underachieved the last two years in the post season. It is lost to teams. It was favored to beat in part because it couldn't score enough goals.

Hey, we went out and got you the best goal score that was available. And we had another guy who's been terrible and has all kinds of issues. But if he figures things out, he's one people, Stanley cups before.

Yeah. I think if you're in that locker room that sends a message to you that like, okay, we got two of our best players on defense or unrestricted free agents. Table Tara mines and unrestricted free agent, Marty nature, who knows what's going to happen with him.

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We're giving, we're loading up. So go do it because we don't know what's going to happen next year. And I think this is a sign that like we talked about after last season, I wrote this column after the Florida loss, the window, this window, not the big window, but this window with this particular group is closing. And these trades are acknowledgement that yes, after the season, there's going to have to be a little bit of retooling, still going to be a good team, still set up to contend, but they're going to be changes.

So let's try to do it with this group. And that's what these, I still think we've got almost two hours left here. I still think they could do another small move. If they could get a right shot forward, that would help them a lot. If they could get a, they could add a right shot center, somebody who can, who plays center, who could also slip out and play the wing just to give them a, somebody, a guy who can win faceoffs from the right side. I mean, and who knows, maybe they might end up back in Washington because it looks like the capitals, although who knows? I think the capitals are open for business.

I don't know. Can they, can somebody be acquired from the devils? They're definitely open for business now that they've shipped out Tyler to Foley.

Luke Tkach is joining us here. There's a lot of things we could, we could spend 20 minutes just talking about this, but I also want to talk about the basketball game, but let me get to the, maybe the more romantic part of this is what the, what it means to fans. Because fans had been like yearning for a sign that the front office was in it, like they were in it more emotionally.

So the pen, the crazy pandemic central, they do nothing. They have the best record in the East and did nothing in, in that year. The next year they're winning the metropolitan division. They were second only to the Florida Panthers in the Eastern conference. I think even in the NHL and they, I mean, I'm not saying they do nothing, but all it was was Max Domi who did win you a game, but ultimately they didn't do much. And then last year, Shane Gostis bear was nice.

Yes, it will. Basically, Arby was honestly a clown show. And again, not a lot for a team that was winning the division.

It was the third, had the third best record in the sport. So the recent history of a team that should have been chips pushed to the table about because they were good enough. They didn't really do much and they had the space last year with the longterm injury relief Apache ready.

They just didn't use it. This, I think says something to your fans. So the people who spend their money that, you know what, we're in it with you. I think that the bigger picture, what the front office says to them, I think has a lasting benefit. Yeah. I mean, but some of it's just timing.

I mean, the, the, yes, in 2021, I would agree. They needed a defenseman in the, their lack of depth on defense, prolonged the Nashville series and put them into a position with Tampa where they were had no, I mean, they didn't have a lot of margins for error, but I had no more rare after playing six games against Nashville. You know, they're, they were in a position where they had to basically pull max with a lot of the miners to play big minutes for them in a player years, 2022, you know, they, the, the, they run out of gas against the Rangers. It's just, and then obviously we know we all know what happened after the trade deadline when sketch gets hurt last year.

You did not buy an insurance policy insurance is expensive, but it's cheap if you need it. And I, you know, I, I think you can make the argument in each case, there wasn't necessarily a play to be made like this. There wasn't a guy out there that they could get for a price like this who had this kind of impact. And what that's done is preserve the state of the farm system preserve the draft pool. It's not the hurricanes competitive year after the year it's built a foundation for the future but you've also had five years of building under this regime, you now have some assets that you can part with that you didn't have two years ago that you didn't have last year that you didn't have three years ago, you know, letting go of Panama last year would have put a big dent in sort of the prospect pipeline. This year it doesn't you don't feel as much so I think there is a sense of timing that that whether you agree or not, the decision makers felt that it wasn't worth the opportunity cost to make those moves. And now it is so I you know doesn't send a message to the fans absolutely people are getting very antsy Wednesday and Thursday, but I don't think that's a very good way to do business and professional sports, you should be smarter than the fan, and they can do your job, not saying it is right, and I've tried to be very pointed about giving the organization credit for having a philosophy and a personal discipline to not vary from it. But at some point, you have to go for it.

And yeah, three years, we've looked at the just the point totals point. I mean, this is, this is what I wrote Thursday. I mean, so yeah, no, I mean, that's the now is the time if they were ever going to do it. Now is the time the future is now and they did. So let's see what happens. I was in a Twitter conversation with someone this morning about, well, what about their cap now, you know, because that's a $3.8 million hit next year.

And I was like, they'll figure it out because that's part of what we wanted them to do. There's what happened when you go forward at the deadline, you start to not worry so much about next summer's cap and worry about right now and so that that's it. That's the discussion we've been having for years.

So wait a second. Now we're in a proper cap position off to figure it out. If we complain if if because nets off is good. Are we complaining about one year at 3.8 or 3.9 for him? I think what it's a gamble at 7.8 million, it makes no sense, right 3.9 million that like that's there you go. That's the Tom Dundon way, right?

Yeah, absolutely depressed asset cheap and hoping you can sell it. Hi, if because Netscov scores 20 goals in the playoffs, they can trade them for a first round pick over the summer if they want. Keep him in or keep him and extend him like that. This is where the Hurricanes thinking are thinking about hockey moves. They actually turned against will trade into a hockey trade by what by the assets that they sent out and it was sensible in terms of what they could and again, I think you're right. We're going to try to resign Jake and so let's let's talk a little basketball because I know everybody's focus is going to be there on 630 at 630 tomorrow in Durham.

What do you think is different about each team the second time around? Well, Duke is angry. I mean, they were really frustrated with their own performance in Chapel Hill and John Shire was pretty point blank about calling out his team's effort and intensity and do has been much better in that respect since then, even without Caleb Foster Sean Stewart's carved out a role for himself. Irish Proctor has been better, you know, if Kyle Philipowski heard what Armando Baycott said about the ACC going through him.

He certainly played like it. So, so Duke is a better team than it was then and that's not because of talent or anything it's just because Duke has gotten better by embracing its roles and and and playing harder, quite frankly, you know, we talk a lot about toughness and all of that sometimes toughness just manifests itself as doing the hard things and that's can be hustle and effort we've seen that from Duke for the most part since that Carolina game. And I think UNC really wants that title for itself. This is a group that's been together for five years and yes, you know that the core Baycott Davis four years that yes they had the final four run. But they've never really had that regular season success that you expect from North Carolina. So this is a chance to beat Duke on their floor and claim the ACC regular season title and the top seed for yourself.

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Terms at DraftKings.com sportsbook.nc. Do you think it gives them an edge tomorrow night? No, if UNC has an edge tomorrow night, it's just because UNC has more weapons. And I think that's where... Do they have more? I don't think they have more weapons. No, I absolutely think they have more. I don't think there's any question they have more weapons. They have seven or eight or maybe nine guys who can hurt you offensively and do kind of things that don't show up in the box score. Whereas, you know, I don't see that from Duke, especially with Caleb Foster.

I don't know. I mean, the guys who can hurt you. I mean, you're going Baycott. I love Carolina, but this is not about not liking. I think Carolina's got four guys who I can see scoring well.

Four. And I think Duke has at least that many. Carolina has so many guys who can hurt you in so many other ways. I mean, Seth Trimble is a weapon. He's a weapon in what he can do defensively and what he can do with the ball. You know, Jalen Washington is a weapon. You've got to guard him on the perimeter. You know, I mean, he's a legit threat from out there. Those guys are always the way I assume you're leaving Cadeau off the scoring list.

Cadeau is a weapon and he makes everyone around him better. He was one of the best players there. Jalen Withers is a is a weapon because he can go in. Duke's got one guy who can do it.

What would Jalen Withers can do in that? And that's Mark Mitchell. And Mark Mitchell already carries a really heavy load for them that department. I just I look at all the ways that Carolina can hurt you.

And I just feel like they have a much wider diversity and range of ways to hurt you. And that does that doesn't mean Duke can't meet them, you know, head for head because if Filipowski and Proctor and Jeremy Roach and Mark Mitchell are on, you know, that's and Jared McCain, that is a very high powered group that can score a lot of points. Sometimes you only need three guys. Right. I mean, heck, there have been times this year where Carolina only needed R.J. Davis. Right.

And we and we've seen that. But but I just feel like that diversity of weapons and ways that North Carolina can hurt you. If plan A isn't working, they have a plan B and a plan C and a plan D. Whereas I feel like, you know, Duke kind of has its group and they have to go with it.

It's a very good group. It's worked very well for them. But that's why I would give Carolina the an advantage. I'm not saying that our heels are going to go in there and smoke them.

I'm just saying, you know, I would lean towards North Carolina for that reason. Luke to cut before we before we let you go in the first game in Chapel Hill was interesting because I thought Elia Cadeau was one of Carolina's best three players. They didn't need R.J. Davis in that game because Armando Bacott and Harrison Ingram was so good. And Elliot Cadeau was so disruptive.

It's a triple, by the way, I believe, at 10 points in that game and was definitely impactful. The Blue Devils really only had two guys I thought that played really well, and it was Jeremy Roach and Jared McCain. Are both teams different for you today than they were then?

You know, I think, you know, talked a little bit about that. I think Duke certainly is. I don't know that North Carolina is that different other than they have the positive reinforcement of what they've done since then. I just think North Carolina is a very good team.

It's not a perfect team, but they beat you in sort of traditional North Carolina ways. They cannot rebound you. They're going to get on the break. They've got a big man who can who can rim run. They're going to move the ball. You know, they've got a point guard like a Roy Williams type first point guard.

They've got wings who can shoot. I just I think Carolina is this, you know, a better version of the same team. I think Duke has gotten considerably better since then. I mean, I think Duke's identity is far more defined.

I think their roles are more defined. I think their freshmen have gotten better. Tyrese Proctor is obviously closer to the player he was last year.

There's one thing we can say about John Shire's two years at Duke that is absolutely unequivocal and unarguable. It is that his teams have gotten better in February and March. That's a sign of coaching.

And as you know, those other things, understanding your identity and learning who you are. I think he talked yesterday about how this team might have gotten caught up a little bit at the beginning of the year about having such big goals and sort of thinking too far ahead. And I would say that since that Carolina game, Duke has been more focused on sort of, you know, as Kay would say, living in the moment and and realize that Shire's the answer to that, that if you do that, some of your bigger goals start to take care of themselves. So I would expect a much better effort and intensity from Duke than we saw in Chapel Hill.

But I would expect that anyway, because that game in Chapel Hill was such an aberration. Yeah, the way I do. Luke to cock of the News and Observer. I appreciate your time at Luke to cock at some point. I'll see you at a hockey game. We I know you got a lot of basketball to cover starting next week. See you in April. Thank you, Luke. Take care, man. All right. Coming soon to North Carolina on March 11th with code 999. The crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 877-185-543 or visit morethanagame.nc.gov. 21 plus North Carolina only new customers only subject to regulatory licensing requirements, maximum $300 in bonus bets not available for use until March 11th, 2024 bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance deposit wagering and eligibility restrictions apply terms at DraftKings.com slash sportsbook slash nc
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