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Why did the Panthers not make ANY moves with the NFL trade deadline??

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November 1, 2023 3:26 pm

Why did the Panthers not make ANY moves with the NFL trade deadline??

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November 1, 2023 3:26 pm

John Breech, CBS Sports/Pick Six Podcast, on the trade deadline and which teams are most likely on the path to the Super Bowl.

The Raiders canned their HC and GM all at once, literally overnight. John explains why he believes this was such odd timing. Where are the Carolina Panthers right now? How long are they away from being a successful franchise? Do the Chicago Bears understand how the trade deadline works? What was the best move during the trade deadline? What’s the biggest factor for the San Francisco losing 3 games in a row?

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Listen to Health Discovered on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. John Breach, not arrogant, and his record is impeccable, and he joins us from the Pick 6 Podcast and CBSSports.com to talk about the trade deadline. But let's start with what happened in Las Vegas last night. Apparently, Josh rolled snake eyes and he's out. I mean, it's kind of early, it's just halfway through the season, but what do you think? Yeah, this is a wild move. I mean, I'm not surprised, I guess, that Josh McDaniel's got fired. I think everybody's been talking really all season about how he's been on the hot seat and how bad that offense has looked.

But I was totally shocked by the timing of this. I mean, who was answering the phones yesterday during the trade deadline when teams were trying to make a trade? You have Dave Ziegler, the general manager, being fired. Josh McDaniel's being fired. And then you have the team coming off a Monday night game, so they're flying all the way home from Detroit.

They probably don't get home until early Tuesday morning, and then it's a short week. I mean, it's just bizarre timing. I think that was the most shocking part. But you look at the Raiders, their offense has just been so terrible this season. I think they were 29th in points scored. They had the worst rushing game in the NFL and the first team since 2009 that didn't score at least 20 points in their first eight games. I mean, the embarrassing numbers just kept piling up, and at some point, you know, you're going to pull the trigger, and that's what Mark Davis did. Yeah, I mean, look, Josh McDaniel's has not distinguished himself in either of his spots as head coach. He didn't do that in Denver, and he didn't do that in Las Vegas. Again, the Bill Belichick coaching tree not covering itself in glory, no?

No, that thing is on fire, and it is just falling apart. It is crazy how you do have these coaching trees, whether it's Shanahan or even John Groove, to some extent, Bill Parcells. All these great coaches have produced other great coaches, but not Bill Belichick. It's just the Patriot way only worked in New England and only when Tom Brady was there. It doesn't work for anyone else, but yeah, this definitely does not reflect well on the Belichick coaching tree.

I smell a poll question. Who is the best former Bill Belichick assistant as a head coach, and I'm not sure the answer isn't Eric Mangini. It might be Mangini. Or Charlie Weiss? Or Bill O'Bryde in there? I don't know. Are we only counting their NFL career or their college careers? I don't know, man. We might have to just throw it open for everything. Bill might throw Nick Saban in there just because he was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland, but obviously Saban didn't do anything in the NFL all his accepts in college.

That's a very good point. He was. He was the D.C. in Cleveland. That was a pretty good coaching staff. John Breach, CBSSports.com, Pick 6 podcast.

Super friend. I want to start with the Panthers. In my opinion, they are a minimum of two years away from being relevant, not just to win the division because the division can be won by anybody with an 8-9 record if the division is bad enough. And frankly, 8-9 might win the NFC South this year. But in terms of being a team that could be a top four team in your conference, I mean, they are two full drafts away and smart free agent signings and getting lucky from being one of those teams. Why didn't they make any moves at the deadline? Yeah, that's a great question, Adam. It's almost like in the Bears, I think we're a great example of this. Why are they trading for Montez Sway? It doesn't make any sense to me about this.

I was like, I can't respond because we need to talk about the radio show. And it's like some teams don't understand how the buyers and sellers things work. If you are a bad team and you need to build for the future, you may be selling.

So you either need to be trading your assets away. You probably shouldn't be sitting still. And you know, if the Panthers were, I don't know, even three wins at this point, maybe two wins, you still feel like you have a good shot at winning the division. And I could understand standing back, but it's just, I don't know why the team isn't building for the future.

It's a great question. I don't run the Panthers, but if I did, I probably would have snipped around. I wouldn't have been afraid to make a few deals. And like you said, this team, they're not a player away. They're about eight players away from being three players away. So it's just, they should always be in the mindset of let's build for the future. Cause that's when this team success is going to come. If it comes, it's going to be, like you said, two or three years down the road.

It's funny. There was a, I forget who said it. They're two years away from being two years away or they, it might've been said about a player, but yes, look, I think they've got the quarterback, right? I actually think Bryce young and I think he's been building to it in spite of all the people who said the Panthers lost the draft heading into this week because CJ Stroud has played very well. Now Bryce young outplayed CJ Stroud, but it was really kind of a pillow fight. But I like Bryce young. I think he's going to be fine. They, but they need probably four offensive lineman, three wide receivers, a running back, two tight ends, and then they need depth on defense.

Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? But they don't have draft capital. They don't have a first round pick next year. They don't have a second round pick the following year. This would have been a really good time to kind of replenish those things, but they chose not to. You mentioned the Bears. So last year they traded a second round pick to get Chase Claypool and then they basically dumped him to Miami for a seventh.

That's smart business right there. And then they just traded another second round pick to get a guy that if they want to keep, and I think Montez sweats a good player, but if they want to keep them, it's going to cost them, I don't know, between 15 and $20 million to pay him. Why did they do that? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It just seems like the bears don't understand how the trade deadline works. It's Hey, look, you don't need to be giving away your second round picture team that needs to be building for the future. And when you're talking about specifically about Montez sweat, he's someone who's going to be a free agent at the end of the season.

If you want him, you sign him in March. You don't give a second round pickup that a key second round pick because it's going to be a high one because you're a bad team. I mean, this could be the 35th overall pick on the draft that you gave up for someone you might only have for nine games. If you can't get him under contract in March, because if you're Montez sweat, why would you want to play for the bears? I guess, unless they franchise tag them, but then you only have them for one more year guaranteed. And then you're giving away a second round pick for someone you might only have for one and a half years. So really there are a lot of ways where this deal made sense, but maybe that's why the bears have been bad for so long. It's just because the people at the top of the organization keep making decisions like this. This makes sense that through the 49ers and you make a trade for chase young super bowl contender. You feel like you're a player way that makes total sense.

It doesn't make sense for two and 16. That's going nowhere to be giving up second round picks for anyone before the trade deadline. And Montez sweat, if you say it's a, it could be picked number 35 Montez sweat, isn't worth the number 35 pick in the draft of, you know, four years into his NFL career. So that doesn't make any sense, but I do think this was a good, it was a good day for Washington because they get a second and a third, they get some draft capital and it was clear that they were going to let those guys go.

And that's cool. And it's also a, maybe a good day for my friend, James Smith Williams, uh, who played at NC state and was a seventh round pick by Washington a bunch of years ago, uh, because Washington's got a pretty good defensive line. Anyway, what was the best move John breach that was made at the trade deadline yesterday? I would say, all right, so that eliminates Leonard Williams has trade on Monday. I really liked that one because I think the Seahawks that defense is already good. Now they're going to be even better with Leonard Williams. Uh, I would say Brazil Douglas to the bills, uh, and only because they were just, you know, Travius weight got injured, he's done for the season. So you're talking about, and they've been dealing with injuries at all levels of that defense, Matt Milano, uh, getting injured, Juan Jones getting injured. And so it really felt like that was one team that had to make a deal and it had to be a defensive player. And that was a trade that came in right in under the gun. I'm sure Bill's fans were panicking thinking, Brandon, are you serious?

You're not going to make a deal with all these injuries we're dealing with. And, and it was all Douglas has looked really good this year. And I think that was something that the bills absolutely had to do. And then obviously, you know, we mentioned chase young, that's a huge one. Uh, but we'll see if chase young can actually help the foreniners stop the run.

Cause that was one of their bigger issues. And that's not something that he, you know, he's good pass rusher, but you know, they still need to figure out a stop the run. We'll see if that helps two quick things before I let John breach go, uh, one 49ers have lost three in a row. Um, what the, what's the biggest factor in that three game losing streak?

Well, I think that obviously Brock Purdy, uh, melting down in the fourth quarter of these losses. We saw the Vikings with a couple of turnovers and the bangles, a couple of turnovers. You can't have that from your starting quarterback. But I think the biggest factor is that, look, you're starting left tackle without Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel. And this, I think we're finding out how valuable he is that offense, why the 49ers paid them? Because I think people were thinking, uh, they have Brandon, I, you can spray up these huge numbers. Deebo Samuel does a good job of just spreading out the defense. Cause you have to know where he is on the field. Uh, Shanahan loves running reverses to him running these sweeps and he just opens things up for that offense. So I think once they get those two guys back, they will be a lot better. So if I'm a 49ers fan, I am not panicking unless we start losing with Deebo and Trent Williams back in the lineup. And why didn't the chiefs go after, uh, Devante Adams?

Uh, maybe they did. I mean, clearly Dave Zibler wasn't answering his phone and Josh McNeil wasn't answering his phone. So I, you know, to that point though, I am surprised the chiefs didn't sniff around for a receiver.

Um, you know, there's gotta be someone you can call out there that would say, Hey, look, we don't need this guy. Maybe you call the Panthers, maybe you try to make a deal there. And so it is surprising that the chief didn't trade for anyone. I guess that means they're comfortable with their receiving court. And obviously they made a deal for me, Joel Hardman a couple of weeks ago. And so they feel that, Hey, look, we'll get him back in this offense once he gets going, we'll be good.

So yeah, I was surprised the chiefs did not make a deal, but you know, the chiefs won the Super Bowl last year and for whatever reason, their decisions seem to work out bad or good. So I, I'm not, I don't feel like I can really question them right now. John breach pick six podcast, super friend, cbssports.com. I appreciate your time, man. Yep. Thanks Adam. You got it.
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