Golden State Warriors win NBA Championship // Steph Curry Top-10?

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Just time to celebrate things. We do have a U.S. Open to talk about. There's a lot of things to get to. Dennis Cox, how you feeling on a day where it's supposed to be like 98 here in Raleigh? I'm glad I'm in a studio where it's air-conditioned, that's for sure. Gosh, I need to find out what it's going to be like in the mountains. I'm actually going to be heading back to Virginia this weekend.

I grew up on the base of the Blue Ridge in central Virginia. Is it cooler there? It's supposed to be 78 tomorrow. Really? Yeah. I'm going with you.

Okay. Actually, it's supposed to be nice here too. It is. It's supposed to be like low 80s.

It's supposed to be 52 at night on Saturday night. Beautiful. Gorgeous. Give it to me.

Absolutely gorgeous. I might sleep in my hammock. Alright, we do have U.S. Open round two we will discuss. We got a lot of things to do. Brian Geisinger is going to talk NBA Finals with us and we are done.

Shouts to my friend, Kanada Edwards, not at the Scribe, who spent, I don't know, almost an hour with us in the studio yesterday. Talked me out of Al Horford making 3-3s at plus 375, but Horford still went for more than 15. That's true. So both of them cashed. Both of the Al Horford wagers cashed.

Yeah. Nothing else did. I don't believe Boston covered seven points.

They did not. I should have had Boston minus seven for the first four minutes because they were comfortably in front of that 14-2. Alright, we just got to get to it. There's a lot to do and we got people joining us soon. They're off. We got a mailbag segment coming up.

We got all sorts of stuff to discuss. The Golden State Warriors once again are NBA champions. Yep, Warriors dynasty affirmed last night. 103-90 closeout game in Boston over a Celtics team that just didn't have a lot of answers last night.

Just didn't have a lot. They came out well. They started off well. 14-2 four minutes in and you thought, oh, okay. Yeah, this is how it's going to go.

That ain't how it was going to go. Before you know it, they're down 20. Well, Golden State went on a 21-0 run overlapping the first quarter into the second quarter. 21-0.

That is hard to do in the NBA. 21-0. The Celtics answered. They went on like a 12-0 run or something like that. But my gosh, 21-0. Fourth title in eight years for Steve Kerr's team.

Maybe this one was the best one. It's really special to see guys like Wiggs and Loon and Gary Payton, just how far they've come. The impact they made. Jordan Poole, same thing. I know I'm going to forget people, but it takes a full team effort to do this.

We just had a great group who got it done. It's just incredible. Look, Kerr's been the head coach for all four of these titles, obviously. And he knows what went into all of them. But he also says that there is one reason why all of this works.

None of this happens. That's not taking anything away from Joe and Peter's ownership because they're amazing owners built an incredible organization. Bob Myers, a hell of a GM. We've had so many great players, but Steph, ultimately, is why this run has happened. Yeah.

I mean, it is. He was the focal point of the first one. And it was his put the team first attitude that enabled them to be able to go out and get Kevin Durant, not to mention he had a favorable contract.

Yeah. The contract was just ridiculously low. So they had the financial room to go add Kevin Durant. But also, when you're as much of a star as Curry was, you know, not a lot of people would have been willing to bring in somebody who is going to overshadow you. And for basically, for those, well, really three years, Durant got hurt in year three. But for those two years, Kevin Durant was the focal point. I don't say focal point, but he was the shiniest object. I mean, why wouldn't he be? He is a unicorn.

There is no question about it. Curry was in tears. I was a little surprised at that, simply because it wasn't his first. Curry, this was his fourth title. And while, yeah, they were bad the last two years, they got into the play-in game and lost last year, play-in tournament and lost last year. But to me, the year before, when they were really bad, it was all injury-related, right? I mean, Green was hurt. Steph was hurt for a lot of it.

Clay missed the entire year. But here's why Curry was crying on the court. These last three years, these last 48 hours, every bit of it has been an emotional roller coaster on and off the floor. And you're carrying all of that on a daily basis to try to realize a dream and a goal like we did tonight. And you get goosebumps just thinking about, you know, all those snapshots and episodes that we went through to get back here individually, collectively. And that's why I say, I think this championship hits different. That's why I have so many emotions and still will just because of what it took to get back here.

Also, if it matters, and I think it does to some of you, Steph gets that coveted finals MVP award. Yeah. It means we won.

It means we took advantage of the opportunity to get back here. And I mean, I hear all the conversations. I hear all the chatter. We hear all the chatter. At the end of the day, it's about what we do on the floor.

Ain't got to talk about it, just got to go do it. And this one hits different. This one hits different for sure. He was working on that one.

It definitely does. On the other side, I think the Celtics just ran out of fight. As a group, I think they just ran out of fight. That doesn't mean that they weren't trying.

There's just a limit to what, when you know what the end is, there's just a limit to what your body is going to do. I actually think it manifested itself in Jason Tatum for much of the game. And really in the second half. They did close a 22 point deficit. Golden State had ballooned the lead up to 22.

I believe it's 72 to 50. Celtics got it within eight with five and a half to go. It just always felt like the Warriors were in control, especially with Boston turning it over 22 times. 22 turnovers.

And so many of them were just careless. Jason Tatum put up a deuce in the second half. Take that for what you will. Jason Tatum had just two points in the second half. Our level of poise at times, you know, throughout this series and previous series, you know, myself included, we, you know, taking care of the ball, things like that. But it's easy to look back and see and say all the things you could have done better. You know, we tried.

I know that for a fact. Yeah. I mean, look, maybe they tried too hard, but a disappointing finals for Tatum. Probably Boston's, well, he's probably their second best player, but the fact that you have to say probably because while he outscored, it's average 21 points a game in the finals, but he outscored Horford, he outscored Smart, but they're not expected to score more. And I think based on what players are supposed to give you, I think the Celtics got more out of Smart and Horford than they got out of Tatum, relatively speaking.

I don't know. Maybe that's unfair, but here's Tatum in the finals. He shot 36.2% from the floor. Yeah, actually was good from three. It was 40, almost 42% from three, which is really good. Yeah, 53.8% from the free-throw line.

That's not good. I would also say he didn't get to the free-throw line a lot, which is also not good. He had 15 turnovers in the last three games. He averaged five turnovers a game in the last three.

That's just unacceptable. All right, couple of, at least one more thing before we get to our first guest, Brian Geisinger. He sinks three-foot punch.

Oh, he absolutely does. Scottie Scheffler has just moved to three under par for the tournament, rolled in a birdie, I believe, on the 16th hole. He's got two more holes to go. 17 is a birdie hole, but Scheffler is at three under par, tied for the lead. There are six players at three under par. Yesterday, 25 players were in red figures after day one.

25. 41 were at even par or better. Just, I mean, I'm not going to compare it to other U.S. opens, because typically in round one, we see a bunch of players under par, but not 25 of them. 25 players under par.

Again, 41, almost, actually, a little bit more than a quarter of the field at even or better. That number is coming down right now, and the afternoon wave should be more difficult. The afternoon wave was more difficult by about a stroke per round. Yesterday, the afternoon wave will be more difficult today, and frankly, they're expecting some storms in Boston. Don't know if that's going to ultimately stop play. If they get lightning, obviously it will. There shouldn't be enough rain to get everybody off the golf course. If they get some rain, maybe that'll soften it up a little bit. But the way it's been posed is that it's not getting easier. It's going to get more difficult because the wind is going to come up. So my guess is that by the end of today, we'll have anywhere from roughly 15 players under par for the tournament, and maybe you'll have 25-ish at even or better.

That number will come down. I think your winning score is the leading score right now. I think if you asked any player on the board right now, would you take three under par Sunday at about 7 o'clock in the evening, and they would all go, yup, give it to me.

Because I think that's ultimately what we're going to see for a winning score. Adam Hadwin, just nice rank and file PGA Tour member, four under par yesterday, is giving it all back today. Host the players at three under par yesterday, led by Rory McIlroy.

Scotty Scheffler is there today. McIlroy tees off in a little bit more than an hour. There were a bunch more players at two under par, including Matthew Fitzpatrick.

I don't know what Fitzpatrick is today, but he's not a two under. Fitzpatrick won the U.S. amateur when it was played at Brookline in 2013. Jon Rahm, Colin Morikawa, each with a nice 69 for their opening round. Neither has teed off yet in round two.

They're both about an hour away. Brooks Koepka made it look really good until he made a mess of a, missed like a two and a half foot putt for par, and made bogey and gave one shot back. He has the round of the day going on. He is three under par with a couple of holes left to play. And again, the scores are going to get, they're going to get higher, meaning not in relation to par, meaning total strokes.

I think we're going to see the numbers go up. If I had to guess, I would say four over par will play the weekend, maybe even plus five. By the way, Fitzpatrick is one over today, one under for the tournament. Phil Mickelson struggled yesterday. Mickelson was eight over par yesterday.

Poor guy. There are people rooting against Phil. I don't know that I'm rooting against Phil.

I'm not rooting against Phil, but this is what Phil was always going to shoot. He's played no competitive golf since February. I mean, whenever that tournament was that he played at Torrey Pines, that might have even been late January. He's played no competitive golf. I know you think that last week, you know, on the live tour, that was competitive golf. It wasn't. There was no pressure to make a cut. That's not competitive golf.

Not in that field. And he didn't even compete there. So he punted poorly. He drove it poorly.

That's a terrible combination. By the way, Sam Burns just made a birdie to get to two under par. So we're starting to see a leaderboard look like a U.S. Open leaderboard.

There are still names like Taron and Lingmerth and Damon and Hardy that you have no idea who they are, but those people are all there. All right. Back to the NBA finals last night. I wonder. Oh, here we go. Brian Geisinger, league pass layer, accsports.com. All right.

I want to I want to do game specific here. Is this before we get to bigger picture stuff? Was last night a case of the Celtics just not having enough fight to basic, basically to claw back after the Warriors ate away that 14-2 start?

I don't think so. I'm sure some will see it that way. I think this had more to do with with Golden State's defense, which is elite, like truly an elite defense. And, you know, what Andrew Wiggins was able to do on Jason Tatum was special.

And I think it has even more to do with and I'm sure we'll draw this out in a second. But just like Steph Curry bust anything you're going to throw at them. You know what I mean? Like, you can try all the different schemes. You can throw all the good defenders at him. You can try.

You can give it a hundred and twenty seven percent. Like Steph Curry's going to do with Steph Curry is going to do. And he just say everything they threw at him. He swatted back in the other the other direction with made threes layups. You saw it again last night.

He was he was incredible snow. I would want to put this more on Boston's offense getting stuck in the mud once again last night. And in really just like the all-time talent that is Steph Curry and there just being really no defense for him.

All right. We're going to get back to Golden State's offense in a second. Boston's defense in Game five at Golden State.

I thought that was the blueprint. They essentially eliminated Steph Curry from the equation. They eliminated his shot.

They frustrated him. I thought if I were Boston, I would have done the exact same thing defensively and just trusted that my offense. I mean, because they have I mean, Golden State won the game at one hundred and four points. It wasn't like these, you know, they scored.

They blitzed them like that. So if you hold Golden State to one hundred and four and frankly, it wouldn't have been enough last night anyway. As long as your offense wasn't trash, you would have been fine. But their defense also wasn't great. I mean, Golden State after that slow start.

I mean, they were they were they were bonkers. It was they had 72 points a few minutes into the third quarter. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think for the most part, look in Game five, I know Steph had the off game shooting the ball from downtown. But he, you know, he's still shot above 50% on twos. Yeah.

You got to remember when you have to sell out to defend Curry like that, like what it opens up everywhere else on the court. Right. And all of a sudden that's how you get 15 points from Gary Payton. Right. So you get Wiggins having a big game because you've got to put two on the ball. You've got to rotate coverages.

You've got to send extra help. But Steph, that gravity creates so many opportunities for other guys to get not just looks at the basket, not just open looks at the basket, but like the optimal looks, dunks, open threes. And so even though they get off night shooting the ball from deep, I still thought offensively he was a wrecker of Boston's defense.

And so I don't think that for the most part, this series, like. Boston's issues had more to do offensively with the inability for them to really generate like constant advantage in the half court. I thought they continued to sort of like lose the plot offensively and ultimately just didn't have enough constantly move goal in state defense. Point guard is certainly a problem for Boston, but we knew that going in. They got through the entire Eastern Conference without having a great point guard and that times they look dominant. It really became a problem for them in this series with turnovers at 22 turnovers last night. A lot of them are just careless turnovers.

They almost seem like miscommunication is. Is that a simple fix for Boston? I mean, I think it's one of the things you got to like keep your cap to Golden State's defense. You know, a lot was made this season of Boston not having like a pure point guard. But and I still think they managed to sort of navigate the playmaking share between the development of Jason Tatum and Marcus Mark being solid with the basketball. But look, we're going to say their ability to switch and send help late, which is the core tenants of Golden State's defense.

You and I, we talked about the issues with Trayvon Green. Now he was struggling a little bit. But since game three, he was awesome. The back end of the series and just yeah, he's a generational defender that gets in the way of everything. Create steals, turnovers, and ultimately those turnovers led to Golden State getting into transition. I think that ultimately like the transition that Golden State got off its defense. In steph and the half court, that was the difference in the series because I think ultimately Boston's defense did the job in the half court. It was just the carelessness with the basketball really as a byproduct of Golden State's pressure and help that I think, yeah, sort of like really swung the series in favor of the Warriors. Great, Jmon Green, 12 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks last night. Here's what I want to I want to expand on Golden State's defense because yes, Andrew Wiggins was great.

Draymond Green, since the end of game four, he was excellent in game five. He had the best triple single I've ever seen. He just fell short of double digits in all three categories and he was excellent again last night. Even made a couple of threes, I think.

He did. Right? Well, there was that there was that one flurry right at the end of the first quarter after Boston, you know, they storm out. That 14-2 run, post up for Al Horford, post up for Marcus Smart. They're getting kick outs. They're running, you know, split cuts off Smart in the post. And then Golden State fights back in part because Boston's bench kind of, you know, really wasn't able to like hold the fort down.

Right. And then all of a sudden you get right at the end of the first quarter, you get Draymond three out of nowhere. The first three he's made literally all series. Then you get a step three and then you get a Jordan Poole three. And all of a sudden Boston after doing all of that work, you know, and having the game plan, having the right mentality and they go into the second quarter down. So, yeah, Draymond hit three big jump shots for them last night. Two threes and then a long two. And like honestly, you know, that's more than enough, you know, offensively from him.

Yeah, that all that's gravy. It's the playmaking and the defense and I just thought he got every big defensive rebound down the stretch for them. Much like Kevon Looney got a ton of like big offensive rebounds for them. So those guys were huge in Draymond. Just yeah, but it was kind of a vintage performance from him last night with a little bit of shot making sprinkled into two weeks ago. Brendan was here.

Brendan Whitted our other friend from the late pass layer. And we had noted that after game one, Gary Payton was DNP coach's decision. And my feeling was if he was active, if he was on the roster and available and didn't play to me, that meant, well, he's not going to play. And I thought and Brendan agreed that they were going to need Payton's defense. I thought Gary Payton the second was one of the sneaky key players for Golden State this entire series energy what is Steph Curry calls him the tallest 6-3 guy in the league. Like he just plays so much bigger. He could guard Tatum. He could guard Brown. He gave them a chance. He gave them another physical athletic body that they could throw at those guys.

Yeah, I mean, he's he is an elite defender and it is crazy to see this guy's ride because before the season six, seven, eight, nine months ago. Did you see the report Malika Andrews had Gary Payton? The second was applying to be a video coordinator for the Warriors, not a player, right? A video coordinator.

Do you know what happens when you don't get the video coordinator job? You come hang out with me and Brendan in the league pass layer. That's how close Gary Payton was to doing a guest appearance on the Adam Gold show instead of being an NBA champion. I love that guy. I don't like it better more than I like you to though. Yeah, I appreciate that.

But no, I mean, look, you're spot-on. His two-way play was incredible. He allowed them to be small and play Draymond at the five in the lineups that didn't have Looney or Porter or Bealeek. And still be athletic, still be physical, give them a guy that they could throw at any of Boston's perimeter creators.

A guy that can switch across positions. His ability to screen and dive for Steph is huge. Like this is why Steph says he's a he's the tallest 6'3 guy in the world because he picks and dives like he's seven feet tall and dunks off his vertical.

Like he is a freaky athlete in that regard. So he was terrific for them and so much was made, you know, earlier in the playoffs about the Golden State finding the pool party lineup, right? Like small ball lineup, the new deaf lineup, right? With Draymond at center, Steph, Klay, Jordan Poole and Wiggins. And they really didn't go to that much in the finals. In part because they could play, they could be better defensively and still play small, still get Draymond at center and keep Gary Payton in and just have him do damage on both sides of the floor. Did you appreciate afterwards the fact that Klay and Steph and everybody brought the receipts?

Because I loved it. Oh my God, the all petty team. I mean, Klay was perhaps in an altered state at the press conference calling out a Jaren Jackson tweet from three months ago. Steph Curry doing the zero. Right? The Kendrick Perkins.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Draymond Green wearing all black to the game last night because he said he was going to a funeral. Like this is, you know, they are the all as for one, they're one of the all time teams and truly, however you want to slice it, they seem to be dynastic in a variety of different ways.

But they certainly can be one of the all time petty teams, too, because they had all the receipts last night. And I did I did also was enjoying seeing Del Curry after the game or actually really with like 10 seconds left in the game on the court, cigar in hand, you know, read read our back style hugging his son. I thought that was pretty, pretty darn cool. And as someone that watches all 82 Hornets games every year and has the pleasure of getting to hear Dell at the color analyst, it's pretty cool to see him take off the TV hat and just be an incredibly proud father.

So that was pretty neat, too. All right, when I'm going to take a break here, I thank you very much for your time. But I'm just going to tell you, we're going to rank. I'm going to give you my top 10 all NBA top 10 NBA players, because why not?

We're going to be we're going to be stupid and goofy on the in the aftermath of an NBA championship. Yeah. And I've got Steph Curry firmly in the top 10 all time.

Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I think he could be anywhere from like four to 10 in that case. He's incredible.

I can't in the conversation. You know, like he is. He's certainly in the conversation with the top 10. But considering the top five with, you know, LeBron, Michael Magic, Kareem and Bird. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's hard to get him inside the first five. Yeah, he's definitely in the top 10 and I've got him in.

He is. I just like he's not done yet. You know, like that's that's the other thing like he's going to keep winning stuff and breaking. I mean breaking records. I know you got to run here. So but but yeah, like he's safely I think at this point safely in the top 10 and I don't know. Like you could put him as high as I think five or six and I wouldn't I wouldn't push back on that.

Honestly, Ryan Geisinger at big guys underscore bird. We'll talk to you very soon. We got the draft coming up. That's right. Exciting times. Never sleeps. Gold. All right, man.

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Listen now find James 25th anniversary wherever you get your podcast. We spent the last oh, I don't know how long debating this debating that. Well Steph over KD blah blah blah and it gets exhausting because we're doing these things before anything happens before we have something to add to the mix. It's all speculative.

Well, we don't have anything to add to the mix anymore. It's what we do we now officially have something that we can throw on the pile. And so I thought let's rank NBA players 1 through 10. I also have an honorable mention also receiving votes.

What is it? I like having music. That's good. And I do think that Steph Curry is a top 10 all-time NBA player magic. Magic is the greatest point guard that ever played.

I think Steph is the second best point guard that ever played. All right. All right. That's that's where I am. I understand that there is an Isaiah Thomas Lobby out there.

Thomas was awesome. We won one title. Right.

We won one title that they went to. I may have been too. I don't know. I have to go. I wasn't alive.

I don't think for it. I have LeBron James one don't at me don't care. I'm not getting into your LeBron versus Michael Jordan debate. I have Jordan to I have LeBron one doesn't matter if you want to have Michael one and LeBron to or LeBron three. I don't care magic three Kareem for interesting that three of the top four all played with the Lakers Larry Bird five.

You know, Brian was even stretched Curry's could touch number four on the all-time list, which is amazing. And at least it just makes it more credible that I have Steph pretty high in the next five. I have Bill Russell six.

Okay. And Steph Curry seven. I think Curry is the best player in the history of the NBA that is under 64. These were significantly taller Jordan was 6 6 LeBron 6 8 magic 6 9 Kareem 7 foot bird 6 9 Russell Russell was only 6 9 believe it or not.

Really? Yeah, I have Tim Duncan 8 behind Steph Curry who I have 7th. All right Hakeem Olajuwon ninth.

The dream was just ridiculous. He was good and Wilt Chamberlain 10th. Here's a guy that literally could do anything. He wanted on the basketball court ahead of his time physically athletically all of that.

He had a hard time getting over on Russell. Yeah. I mean, it's it was going to happen, but I have Wilt 10th also receiving votes. Oh, okay. Kobe. All right, Shaq. Okay. Oscar Robertson.

Sure. Kevin Durant. All right, Dirk Nowitzki.

Dirk was really good. Those are my those are my also receiving votes, but I've got Steph all-time number 7. Okay. Do you have a top 10 list? Oh, do I? I think this music is more fitting for my top 10 list.

Okay. My number one. It's Michael or LeBron just depending on how old you are. There's a lot of younger people say LeBron because he never saw Michael.

Some people my age I'm 36 swing on the fence, right? A lot of people who are older than me say Michael as they saw him through his whole career, which is fine, which is why number two. It's Michael or LeBron depending on how old you are number three a big man that played in the 70s. Yeah, anyone anyone anyone of a pick one Kareem Walton. Yep. A big man that played out the even throw 60s in there to by the way shout to the people who say George Mike and sure get out of you never stop it.

I'll just say a big man that played before I was born. I was born in 86 number four magic and bird because you every time we talk magic we have to talk bird and I'm talking bird you have to talk magic, right? So magic and bird number four do yourself a favor. Yeah, watch the converse commercial with magic and Larry as like a Western.

Yeah, because they were both converse. Okay players. It's it's so cheesy bad that it's great. I love it. Yeah, I need more of that number five another big man. Just another big anyone any one of a pick one the one that you didn't choose at three put about number five number seven back and forth. It was either Elvin Hayes or yeah, exactly. It's Patrick Ewing. I don't know. Yeah, I've never played at number six some five-star recruit that's going to Kentucky because he's the next greatest thing ever.

Oh real. Yeah, so we have to be because he's the next you know, next greatest thing nice number seven the thought of Zion Williamson. Just the I the notion that he might be something exactly just that idea like oh the Zion the thirst for Zion number seven number eight someone we will someone we want to elevate because we hate LeBron James because we hate LeBron because people rate him so high.

You know what? I'm going to put this guy ahead of them because I hate LeBron so he's going to get into the top 10 because it's Kyrie whatever number nine someone no one actually saw play George Mike and Oscar Robertson Jerry West don't ever actually saw these people play early early 70s some of the people again, no one really I did not solve these I became aware of the NBA in the mid early mid 70s. Okay, so but I don't remember seeing Jerry West or Oscar Robertson actually play exactly my point. So I don't have Oscar in my top 10. Yeah.

Also the video I have seen of Oscar Robertson. I don't think he could use his left hand. Maybe not.

That's how great he was though. All right hand. All right number 10 whomever ESPN typing whoever the flavor of the week is.

So, okay. It's Luca Doncic this week. Definitely Luca. It's G. It's John Marantz or Trey young last year in the playoffs, you know, maybe it's Paulo Bancaro after the draft. I'm not entirely sure but whomever ESPN typing because it's the gravy train they want to buy so that's my top 10. I like your top 10. I love my top 10. I like it very much Mike says no Oscar Robertson. I feel like he deserves this list.

All right, make your list put them on your list. I just can't put Oscar Robertson on that list over anybody. I've got there like initially I thought I thought Kobe was a top 10 player and then I was going down to I forget.

Oh, I forgot a lot of you on I had to put a lot of you on wait, how did I miss Chamberlain? So yeah, Kobe look the the NBA basketball number 11 the people that we should argue should write the top 10 look there's tons of great players man. You can go down and like number 25 and number 25 is going to be a historically great player. Yeah, unless you're talking about John Stockton who's like whatever.

Yeah. I mean, you put car alone at 25 Carmelo whatever there's the Carmelo just I'm yes Carmelo was a great player. Yeah, but he's not on he's not on this list.

He doesn't get on this list for me. I mean number 25 could be Isaiah Thomas Isaiah Thomas is higher than that by the way did win he won back-to-back titles Zeke. I've told this story about Isaiah Thomas before he is one of the most interesting people I have ever met.

He is incredibly open and honest while at the same time conniving. Yeah, it's just a complete a complete contradiction almost all the time, but he was an amazing player hella dirty real like a dirty player, but he played in an era where that was part of the game more more part of the game that that Pistons team was great with Dumars and lame beer and James Edwards and Rick Mahorn. I mean that was a rough rugged basketball team and they did win back-to-back titles and and Isaiah is mean. He could have easily been in my in the in the also receiving votes category easily could have been in there like somebody brought up Kyrie to me like we're not talking about physically gifted because if we're talking about physical gifts Kevin Durant's a top five all-time player easy top five. I mean, yeah, hell Kevin Durant might be one if we're simply talking about physical gifts. That's how much of a unicorn Durant is means basically a seven-foot to guard. Who can block shots rebound, you know run the break means all of that, but it's a it's obviously subjective and that's why we have fun with it. This is the Adam Gold show June 19 2006, but it all started May 6 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford Whalers were coming to North Carolina. It's a story of transition of heartbreak of figuring it out on the fly the Canes Corner look at the 25th anniversary of the move presented by the aluminum company of North Carolina listen now find Canes 25th anniversary wherever you get your podcast.