SHOCKING: IRS Whistleblower Shatters Liberal Narrative

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That's 1-800-684-3110. A busy day in Washington, D.C. that kicks off right after our broadcast, actually, around 1 p.m. Eastern time. There is a joint hearing with three different congressional committees. The Judiciary Committee, the Oversight Committee, the Ways and Means Committee. They're going to hear testimony under oath from that IRS whistleblower, Greg Shapley, who you have seen in the news, but we are also going to see a new whistleblower. It's been called as a Whistleblower X.

Their identity will be unveiled today. They are another senior level IRS agent. Again, similar to Gary Shapley, that they were special agents with the IRS. And so they are both going to be testifying on Capitol Hill to those three committees simultaneously on how the IRS slow walked and really followed opposite of protocol the investigation into Hunter Biden and potentially even into Joe Biden. This is part of the opening statement we've got from this new whistleblower.

We don't have a name yet. We do have some interesting background info on this whistleblower that they are prepared to tell Congress to kind of push back on this narrative that it's all a bunch of just Republicans and conservatives inside the IRS who are trying to act as whistleblowers to take down the Bidens. This is from the opening statement of Whistleblower X. I have witnessed the corrosion of ethical standards and abuse of power that threaten our nation. It is within this context that I have chosen to shed light on these actions and expose those responsible. I recognize that I was present for the start of the investigation that was of Hunter Biden and was closely involved with the investigation for roughly five years, that I am just part of the story.

My aim is to address systematic problems that have allowed misconduct to flourish. It is not a call for blame, but a call for accountability and reform. Transparency is the foundation of our democracy.

Without it, people lose trust in the institutions and the bonds that tie our nation start to fray. The American people deserve to know the truth, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient it may be for either political party. We also know, Logan, this is an interesting point because the whistleblower who is going to be unveiled today has decided that they're going to put in their opening statement that they are both a Democrat and a gay man in a 13-year relationship married to another man. I mean, it's trying to push back on this narrative that everybody who's a whistleblower on Hunter Biden is somehow this right-wing conservative. Yeah, I think that that's an interesting move because you're saying, okay, I'm coming up right up front and saying, I am not your narrative and don't try to make this only into right-wing extremists saying this.

I think it's powerful because you have that start to happen. Maybe, honestly, it starts a pathway to some sort of compromise, some sort of middle of the road for a lot of America where we know that, yes, the fringes a lot of times control who wins the elections. It's just kind of the truth.

But there are a lot of people who are there in the middle who are still standing up for their country. And I think what you'll probably see from this whistleblower is that coming out again saying, you know, in their opening statement. I mean, that's what is that was that which was obtained by the Daily Mail. I mean, specifically says, I'm a gay Democrat married to a man. So I mean, that is a, like you said, a shattering of the liberal narrative about the Hunter Biden situation.

And I think that that's going to speak volumes, hopefully, to the American people that this isn't about politics at some point. We're going to get here under oath testimony from Shapley about how he said that Weiss was denied special counsel status, that the FBI was tipping off the Bidens and their Secret Service agents before the IRS could conduct searches of boxes of materials for part of their tax fraud investigation. I want to take calls from you. 1-800-684-3110 because I think it's all about exposing the truth.

And these brave whistleblowers who are under attack from the left, they are under assault from the left, just for speaking out the way they should be to protect our rights and protect the institutions that, again, those whistleblowers say, we either have to trust that they're doing the right thing or they rot from within sight. And right now, Washington, D.C. is rotting in front of our eyes. Give us a call. 1-800-684-3110 be a part of the show today.

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We're going to take your calls, too. How important do you think these whistleblower hearings will be today? Three committees of Congress joining together, the Judiciary Committee, the Oversight Committee, the Ways and Means Committee. So you've got Jim Jordan, Comer, and others all joining together to hear testimony from these two IRS whistleblowers.

One you've seen, Gary Shapley. He's been out in the news. The other has to this point been unidentified and been giving testimony behind closed doors. Today will go public with who they are. We expect that there are another someone in the realm of supervisory agent release this statement along with kind of what will be in their opening remarks, which is not so much about what they are going to shed light on potential wrongdoing the IRS, but just who they are because of what they heard from even congressional staff.

Take a listen to this. This is a quote from the opening statement of this whistleblower, X, as they are known right now. I'd recently heard an elected official say that I must be more credible because I have a gay Democrat married to a man. I am no more credible than the man sitting next to me.

That would be Gary Shapley due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs. The American people deserve to know the truth, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient it may be for either political party or those in power. So what he's saying there, Logan, is, again, it's one, absurd that you think I'm now more credible because I happen to be a gay man, but I am a Democrat. And even if this is going to damage Democrats, it's still more important to protect the institutions of America. Yeah, there's a difference between saying you're more credible and saying the fact that it just destroys a narrative. And I think that, to me, is what's important. Like we said in the title, it shatters the narrative that it is only a political partisan moment here.

This is more about America than it is about any one party. I want to take your phone calls, folks, because I think this is, to get to the heart of it, on the Biden family, what's going on with Hunter Biden as we get closer and closer to that plea deal. I mean, that's just, what, a week away? About a week away?

A week and a day away? Twenty-six, I think, is when that plea deal is supposed to be entered. So, I mean, a lot of shifting parts of whether or not that should be done, whether or not that plea deal should be accepted, should the investigation continue. These whistleblowers, how important of a role do you think they're playing? I want to take your calls to that, 1-800-684-3110.

That's 1-800-684-3110. Congressman Dan Goldman, interesting enough, he was on the impeachment team. He was a staff attorney for the Democrats in the first impeachment trial when we were representing President Trump. He's now a congressman from New York, and he had this to say about Hunter Biden. I'm shocked that Hunter Biden was even charged with these crimes. If you look at the history of civil and criminal enforcement of tax issues and just look at Roger Stone's case, he effectively did the same thing as Hunter Biden, and he simply paid a fine. So the fact that he's even taking a plea deal, in my mind, demonstrates a two-tiered system of justice against Hunter Biden. So everybody's now claiming it's a two-tiered system of justice in America. Yeah, either side. Now the Democrats are starting to use it. Now, here's the thing. Roger Stone was ultimately offered a pardon.

I think he decided not to accept it because he wanted to fight out the charges and clear his name. But putting Hunter Biden in the same realm as Roger Stone is also very weird. I mean, Hunter Biden is the son of a President and vice President. Roger Stone is a political actor. Operative, yeah. A guy who's known for controversy. And I think would be okay with us saying that. Oh, he's a character.

Yeah. I mean, but I think, again, they're starting to get, I think what they realize is, I don't know so much about Hunter. A lot of this investigation was, did the big guy know what his son was doing? Because he's denied Logan so many times, Joe Biden, who yesterday, we'll talk about Israel in a minute, because Israel's President addressed a joint session of Congress today. And of course, there are Democrats walking out.

Of course, the Squad. Interesting that Jayapal, who said that Israel was a racist state, walked that back, ended up voting in favor of the pro-Israel resolution. So she obviously was feeling the pressure, but others boycotted that event. But Logan, in that meeting, which was what was most troubling to all of us when we watched it yesterday in the office, was not so much what Joe Biden was saying, because it's hard for you to even know, because it's kind of mumbling. But he literally was reading it from notes on his... I thought he was speaking Hebrew. I said that because I thought it was like, oh, he's reading something off of a card in Hebrew, which again, we've all kind of done. And it's, you know, usually it's phonetically spelled out. I was like, oh, he's phonetically reading Hebrew.

And then I realized, no, this is English. I just have no idea what he's saying. It's another one of those moments. Like, I am not the person who beats up on someone because of speech or whatever it would be. I find that to be pretty rude.

However, you do look at it and go, I can't believe this is the President of the United States in this moment. Again, sort of like, who was it where he read, like, it's nice to see you. Oh, yeah. Erdogan. Who was it a few weeks ago? Was it Erdogan where he just had to look down to be like, who am I sitting with? Even if he didn't say Erdogan, he was just Mr. President.

I mean, it was like, man, you could just throw that one out there. But this may have confused him because Israel's got a prime minister, they got a President. Who is this Herzog?

Who is this Herzog? Is he speaking Hebrew? Am I speaking Hebrew? I don't know, Logan, if everybody has phonetically read Hebrew. No. You made a broad statement there that everyone goes around reading cheat sheets for their bar mitzvahs.

Yes. That, though, and I would imagine in a lot of churches and things, they're doing, like, a Passover event or something like that. That's a lot of people have. There's a lot of people have seen those words and been like, look, if you read the Bible, some of it you're reading is phonetically. Probably Hebrew in some ways.

I think I do the translations and all that. You go back and you listen to those and you realize you had not yet hit puberty fully. Oh, it's aggressive. You've got a high voice.

It's aggressive. I still have a high voice, but then it's even, I've never even listened to mine. You think you have a high voice?

I have a pretty high voice. Really? I think so.

People agree with that? Yeah. I hear myself back, I go, I don't like, that's how I say it. You know, if you get those ads on Instagram that's like, you want to make your voice lower? Here's how. Is that just targeted to me? All right. Would you like a more masculine voice? Here's how you do it.

It's like you walk around going like this all day. All right. Should we move on? Yeah, we can keep going.

We'll take your calls to 1-800-684-3110. So again, to the Israel issue as well. I think it was, again, you had Isaac Herzog, he's the President of Israel. He addressed a joint session of Congress. We're going to talk about this with Mike Pompeo because you had nine Democrats oppose this measure in support of Israel. This is the 75th anniversary of the Jewish state of Israel that they're celebrating right now. Again, 1948, so 75 years. And then, of course, in that celebration of Israel, there was a condemnation that Israel is not an apartheid or racist state.

Nine Democrats opposed that measure. I want to go through it for you. So it's AOC. Of course. Rashida Tlaib. Check. Jamal Bowman.

Don't know. Summer Lee. Ilhan. Don't even need to say Omar there. Yeah, we know.

Cori Bush always. Not Elon. Elon. Elon. Yeah, I know.

I'm just making sure. People don't know. They're not like Elon. Not Elon, no. Not that Elon. Who grew up in apartheid state.

A real one. He did. Not to. Not to, again.

Get off of him. Yeah. Cori Bush, Andre Carson, Deliah Ramirez, and Ayanna Pressley. What's not unusual is that event, that group, and Betty McCollum, a Democrat from Minnesota voted present. So I guess, really, he had 10 who didn't support it.

Interesting enough, the progressive caucus chair, Jayapal, ends up, Logan, after calling Israel. Racist. I mean, so clearly. Do we have the sound? I'm sure we have it. Because that was for our podcast. We played on it.

That was so aggressive. Let's hear it. I'll just leave it. Guys. Maybe I should just walk off.

Guys. Can I say something? Can I say something as somebody that's been in the streets and has participated in a lot of demonstrations? I want you to know that we have been fighting to make it clear that Israel is a racist state, that the Palestinian people deserve self-determination and autonomy, that the dream of a two-state solution is slipping away from us, that it does not even feel possible.

It does not even feel possible. And I want you to know that while you may have arguments with whether or not some of us on stage are fighting hard enough, I do want you to know that there is an organized opposition on the other side, and it isn't the people that are on this stage. So again, she makes that very strong comment to make the crowd happy that the far-left crowd that she was in front of ends up voting in favor of the resolution, though, because she got so much pushback and ultimately said, it's not Israel I was talking about, it was Netanyahu and his policies, it was like a specific politician, not the entire state of Israel. This is why, though, again, we're going to talk to Jeff Balabon about this, who oversees ACLJ Jerusalem, our office in Jerusalem, he's going to be joining us today, and Logan, what makes me, it's not so scary yet, but just nervous, is that the list of members of Congress willing to vote actively against Israel continues to grow, and it's the younger members of the Democrat Party. Well, we're seeing that in the church as well. I think there is this wave of anti-Israel bias that's coming out of, sadly, our own church and coming from leading Democrats, and we have to figure out a way to combat that. It's something we've been working on.

It's something that, frankly, Israel needs to be doing a better job. They need to be doing a better job at their own PR, because it's been kind of the one issue that Democrats and Republicans can kind of get together on, and all of a sudden, say in the last decade, it's starting to slip, and it's really starting to slip now. Is your most popular, as much as you don't want to say it, the most pop-cultural popular members? All these Democrats you know about.

You know. All the names. The ones you know by name are the ones who are making the strongest stands against them. They're the young Democrats. They're the ones that are going to be there for the rest of our lives.

Right. I mean, so whether you've got some of the older Democrat members of Congress who have still been very strong supporters of Israel, it seems like who's winning the primaries, who's coming up inside the Democratic Party, is coming in there, I mean, like she said, with a full-on opposition to the Jewish state of Israel. We'll talk about that.

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Be right back. Welcome back to Secchial. We are taking your calls at 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. Coming up on the broadcast, we'll talk to Mike Pompeo on this move, this anti-Israel move that we're seeing inside the Democrat politics, even right on display today in Washington, D.C. in our nation's capital. We're also going to be joined by Jeff Balaban from our office in ACLJ Jerusalem. He oversees that office in Israel, in the capital of Israel. And again, I always remind you, we're able to operate and have those offices and do that work in these important parts of the world because of your financial support of the ACLJ.

We've got a matching challenge right now where you can double the impact of your donation if you donate online at ACLJ.org. So I encourage you to do that today. Let me go to the phones with Lola in Pennsylvania on Line 1.

Lola. Hello. Hey, you're on the air. I called because you talked earlier about the whistleblowers. I'm thrilled that they have come forward. I think it's a wonderful thing. I think they deserve all the protections that they can get. I'm also very concerned that there's so many others that probably know what's going on and aren't coming forward and aren't speaking out about these things.

And we've watched over the years the Clintons and the Bidens get away with any kind of thing that you want to call it, and yet if it would have been one of us, we would have spent eternity in prison. Yeah, I mean, I think, Harry, the idea that I think Lola is correct, you have to be pretty brave in this current political climate to come out against this administration, which has shown it picks winners and losers with how it enforces the law, to come out, seek that whistleblower protection from Congress, and even when you've been granted that protection, we've seen these agencies try and take, which they're barred from doing if you get whistleblower protection, try to take action against you. So I think Lola's right. There's probably many more people who feel this way but aren't quite brave enough to put their neck on the line.

I think Lola is absolutely correct. So in essence, the American people fully understand that there are two tiers of justice, and often there's a miscarriage of justice if your name is not connected with the Democratic Party. And so if you look at the Hunter Biden case, I don't think any American from the top echelons or to the bottom could expect such favorable treatment from the Department of Justice. Apparently the Department of Justice has engaged in a campaign of slow walking their investigations of Hunter Biden, but at the same time, they've engaged in a campaign of accelerating their investigations with respect to Donald Trump.

And I think the American people fully understand that you don't need a PhD in criminal justice theory to understand what's going on. We know Gary Shapley, Harry, one of the whistleblowers for the IRS here, we've heard some of what he is claiming as the David Weiss, the US attorney investigating Biden sought special counsel status and was denied. Some of that is in conflict with what David Weiss has put out in statements.

So had to figure out who is telling the truth here and the timing of these comments as well. He also said at one point, David Weiss came in and said, you know, we wanted to bring these charges in the districts like in California and Washington DC, and we were denied by the US attorneys there. David Weiss said that was not necessarily correct. He said he could bring charges anywhere, but he says he could bring charges anywhere.

And yet he really did not have the power ever to do that. The government always had to, whether it was the DOJ and the attorney general overriding US attorney or a US attorney, because he wasn't a special counsel. So we have that, but we have a new whistleblower today who again is going to testify that I might be a Democrat, I might be a gay man, but I also believe that this is so dangerous to our nation that it is important that we come out now that American people deserve to know the truth, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient it may be. And a lot of this is to the slow walking of the Hunter Biden case and also the denial of their, even allegations that the FBI was tipping off the Biden's secret service team before the IRS conducted searches on their, on their properties. Well, I think if these allegations are true, and I think they probably are, what we have witnessed and what we are witnessing is outrageous behavior, misbehavior by the Department of Justice. And I would argue there may be a need to appoint a special counsel to investigate the Department of Justice.

And one of the first witnesses should be David Weiss, and the second witness probably should be Merritt Garland, who has a very strange and difficult relationship with the truth, in my opinion. But I think at the end of the day, we have to find a way to overturn this two tiered system of justice, which leads ultimately to a miscarriage of justice. And I also think at the end of the day, this erodes the confidence of the American people in the Justice Department, in the FBI, in the IRS, and this erosion is justifiable based on the facts I've seen.

Yeah, I mean, I think, again, what people want to know, obviously, here in this situation, what these whistleblowers are focusing on is, is there that two-tier system of justice? We've now seen Democrats try to turn that on its head and say, oh, well, look at what happened to Roger Stone. Roger Stone's a political actor and operative, ultimately got a commutation of his sentence and then a pardon he ultimately did accept. He wanted to fight back on his charges to clear his name. So when you try to make that comparison about, you know, how long he served, well, he got pardoned and he also got a commutation of his sentence.

So that's one thing. This is the President's son and more so than just the President's son, the President's son directly implicating his father. And what I think people really want to ultimately know is, was Hunter Biden bloviating when he was telling people that I'm right with my dad and you better send the $10 million now?

Because I don't have a photo of that. It was on WhatsApp. No, it was a text. Or, Harry, was he actually sitting there with his dad, who he has a very close relationship with? And Hunter kind of funds the family and, and, and was that Joe Biden did know about these arrangements and how Hunter was using his name to pressure the money to come from these foreign institutions?

Well, I think you're absolutely correct. And one of the things that we should keep in mind here is Joe Biden's reputation. He does not have the reputation of being a truth teller.

And I don't know if he's passed on that characteristic to his son, but I think there's a third factor, which we should also look at. And that is the fact that the mainstream media has willingly engaged in what might be called a perversion of justice and a perversion of truth. If we look back to the 2020 election, for instance, the mainstream media basically shielded Hunter Biden and Joe Biden from scrutiny with respect to the Hunter Biden laptop story. They claimed that it was Russian misinformation. We all know now that that was indeed a lie. And so much of the 2020 campaign, the 2016 campaign, was grounded in fabrications that I think the American people should no longer trust the mainstream media. They should not trust the Justice Department, the IRS. And I think they all need to come clean.

Yeah. And hopefully we will see more of that this afternoon with these whistleblowers, both Gary Shapley and a yet to be defined yet whistleblower ex who will be identified today. Someone similar to Gary Shapley with people, you know, crassly said, well, he might be more credible.

Watch out, Hunter. And even Democrats are saying this because he's gay and he's a Democrat and he's willing to do this. I mean, just think about how wrong that statement is. That's why he felt like he has to actually address that part of his personal life before talking about his job. And of course, as a whistleblower in this position, we've got a second half hour coming up. Support the work of the ACLJ. Donate today at ACLJ.org, double the impact your donation. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to secular. We are taking your calls to 1-800-684-3110. That's 1-800-684-3110. So today we know right after this broadcast, actually, if you're listening live at 1 p.m. Eastern time, the hearings begin on Capitol Hill. It's a joint multi hearing. We've got a hearing of the Judiciary Committee, the Oversight Committee and the Ways and Means Committee all combining up to hear testimony from IRS supervisory agent and whistleblower Gary Shapley. You've heard from him before and we've walked through some of the allegations he's made, the statements he's made about the investigation to Hunter Biden. But there's a new whistleblower known as Whistleblower X. This is someone who has not yet been publicly identified. We're starting to learn more about them through some of their opening statement, which they've released to the media about who they are, a Democrat, actually a gay Democrat, and felt like they needed to say that because it came up in some of the hearings as, oh, you might be seen as more credible by those on the left or in the country because you're not just, you know, some right winger who is also going to testify. So that person will come forward.

So we'll, of course, cover that on the broadcast tomorrow. You've got the President of Israel just addressed a joint session of Congress, nine Democrats did not attend, 10 of them voted against a, nine voted against a resolution in support of Israel, one voted present. So you're starting to see the anti-Israel sentiment grow inside the Democrat party.

You know, it starts with one or two, now it's nine or 10 and I think it's actually bigger than that. There's sometimes political pressures like on Jayapal who called Israel a racist state. She ended up voting in favor of the pro-Israel resolution today. I think that was damage control. We know what she actually believes.

She said it from the stage. She's now just playing damage control for political purposes. So I think it's actually more than nine or 10 and we're going to talk about that with Jeff Balaban next who oversees, he is the director of our ACLJ Jerusalem office.

He'll be in Israel joining us and then Mike Pompeo as well. We do have a new schedule for that briefing on the social media censorship case. Remember that case again out of Missouri versus Biden where a district court judge said that the Biden administration needed to stop telling these social media companies what speech to allow and what speech to kind of de-throttle. Then there was an administrative stay put in place by the circuit court. We will be filing in this case. The Biden brief is due July 25th. The state's brief is due August 4th. The ACLJ amicus brief will be due August 7th. The oral argument will be on August 8th. So that is again a very important, is that the fifth circuit court of appeals?

Yeah, the fifth circuit court of appeals. And I think again, a very important case, remember right after the district court judge issued that opinion, the Biden administration admitted that inside places like the state department and the department of Homeland security, they were canceling their regular meetings with Meadow, which is the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, and now Threads because they thought that those might violate the court order. So they weren't just having meetings to talk about terrorists utilizing the platforms or criminals utilizing the platforms because that's not what the judge's decision was about. No one has ever said that the FBI shouldn't be able to go to a platform and say, by the way, your platform is being used by drug dealers. Your platform is being used by traffickers.

Your platform is being used by Islamic terrorist groups and here's what they're doing and here's the hashtags they're using. There's no problem with doing that as the government. In fact, that's what we want our government to be doing. But censoring American speech that they don't like, whether it's the laptop story or origins of COVID, the fact that we can't even have debates in our country or different thoughts in our country. That's what the judge's decision was about and the fact that they had to cancel meetings shows you what they were discussing in those meetings. It wasn't the legitimate issues.

It was the illegitimate issues. Now there was an administrative play put in states. So right now the government can continue to hold those meetings and continue to put that pressure on those social media companies to remove some content, to de-throttle content, to make it less likely to be shared. So this is a very important appeal on this administrative stay. Whether or not that district court judge's decision goes into effect while this case continues in court, the ACLJ is filing, will be filing on August 5th. So you learn more about that at ACLJ.org. Standing up for your rights to speak your mind.

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That's 1-800-684-3110. We'll get to those in a little bit, but I want to go first to Jeff Balaban who oversees our office and directs ACLJ Jerusalem. And Jeff, today in Washington, D.C. Israel's President addressed a joint session of Congress. One thing that we are noting, which is unfortunate to see inside the Democrat party because it used to be an issue that was pretty unifying between Republicans and Democrats and certainly older Democrats, but we saw a handful of Democrats, nine of them now, vote against a resolution celebrating Israel's 75th anniversary as an independent state and a tenth actually vote to abstain in that. But we also saw those same Democrats boycotted the speech by Isaac Herzog, who is politically very different from a very different political background than Prime Minister Netanyahu. But again, they're not making those kind of distinctions on the left. And what we're most, I think, concerned about, Jeff, and what we see here in the U.S. is that it's these younger, very well-known Democrats who are winning the primaries all across the country, these new progressives that are taking the most anti-Israel positions.

Yeah, Jordan, there is a lot to be concerned there. I happen to notice that the college Democrats, which it says on their website or their Twitter handle, they're the official arm of the Democrats, meaning to younger Democrats. They had a whole rant, which was, I mean, it really bordered on anti-Semitic, accusing Herzog of all kinds of things that was not only ignorant and sort of rile up incitement against Israel. They, again, maybe I'm wrong, but it said on their Twitter handle they're an official part of the Democratic Party. And so the younger generation, the progressive generation, and it's mostly the progressive caucus members that boycott, they have a directly anti-Israel, and as we see domestically, very frequently anti-Semitic approach to the world, and it's very unfortunate.

I think a lot of this, Jeff, is just, I don't like even using this term always, misinformation. But there is just so much propaganda against Israel right now, and instead of talking about how diverse Israel is and how unique Israel is, especially for where it is and what region of the world it exists in, you have the far left uniting with, again, these movements, which on all of their other issues, their core kind of social issues, they'd be deeply opposed to. But when it comes to, again, this attack on Israel, and specifically the Jewish state of Israel, they unify with these radical groups who really don't share their values at all. The only thing they agree on is their hatred for Israel.

Yeah, it's true. Look, first of all, let's talk about what he said and what he did and how he was received. I have to say that given all of the consternation and all of the proclamations, by and large, it's still nice to see a warm and positive reception for him. He of course is not the prime minister, and it's interesting, again, the college Democrats said that he was ruling a coalition that's right wing.

He's not. He was, when he was in Knesset, very much a member of the left, very much a member of the opposition to Bibi's coalitions before. He is a person of the left. Nonetheless, he's deeply rooted in Israel's history. He referred to his father, the previous President of Israel who spoke at a joint session. He referred to his grandfather, a chief rabbi of Israel, who was at President Truman's office.

He's very much part of the left. And while Israel has stayed where it is, just really hoping for peace and sacrificing for peace, the American left has moved so dramatically far left, and that's where the pain point is. It's really departed from its support of Israel and the Jews. Yeah, I mean, how much does this affect for people who are inside Israel as they're watching their President overseas and their reaction from the US?

I mean, how important is that reaction that they see? I mean, it's still overwhelming, and that's good news, that it's still overwhelming support in Washington DC from both sides. Both parties are, there was a standing ovation in opposition to Iran in President Herzog's speech.

So, I mean, for the most part, for the short term, I think the long term we're in the most dangerous mood because of where the Democrats are moving. In the short term, it's still a pretty united front in support of Israel, bipartisan support. And how do Israelis kind of view how America is viewing them? Because it seemed like at least this administration has kind of been ignoring Israel.

So conceptually, there's support, but that's very much on the surface. And events like these are important, and they do send the message that the diplomatic warmth is still there and that the conduit is still open, but it really hides a great deal of discomfort and growing divisions. You know, under the Obama-Biden administration, they adopted a position of daylight. For decades there'd been no daylight between the U.S. and Israel, and there was cooperation both in front of and behind the scenes. Now the cooperation behind the scenes is really not nearly as good as a sort of diplomatic front. So, for example, he congratulated President Biden on the first national strategy to combat anti-Semitism. The problem is that strategy really weakens existing definitions of anti-Semitism in many ways.

And that's problematic. You know, that Biden felt free to directly criticize in the harshest terms Israel's cabinet members or Israel's judicial reform debates, you know, these are domestic debates. They're being turned into ways to undermine the ruling coalition here by outsiders.

And so there's a lot of pressure coming from official Democrats against the current coalition of Washington. At the same time, as Israel knows it wants and needs to put forth the front of everything being fine. So, again, we're not at the point yet where there's open hostility, which is good, but what we're seeing in public is a lot nicer than what's going on behind the scenes. Jeff, one thing I wanted to ask you about just for our audience, too, is we kind of talk about our office. And I know for those who have been supporting us for a long time, they know about our office in Jerusalem and they know about our work in Israel. But just to kind of describe it for people, what a day-to-day is like of the kind of work that we're doing in Israel? Sure.

Well, you know, I'll give you an example. This past Friday night, so we hosted at my residence here with the ACLU residence here a Shabbat dinner. And among the people we had, there were people who are not only advising people in the Knesset, but we had someone who's very influential coming from the States with state legislators, a former national figure among state legislators who's been passionate about Israel, who we've worked with over the years on anti-BDS laws in the United States, on anti-anti-Semitism laws in the United States. And we're here to promote what's going to happen next. We had the chief anchor for Jerusalem Dateline, our friend Chris Mitchell from CBN, who joined us also, who has a big vision.

He's here for years. We had groups here of Christians who are actually living in Samaria and very much on the front lines of the international fight that's going on in terms of sovereignty and ownership of land in this disputed territory. And we all gathered together with others, with Israelis and Jews, to talk about the future of exactly this relationship. You know, what America really wants and what the political leadership wants isn't always the same. And it's important for us to be the right conduits to bring together the core of support for America with Israel and Israelis. And it's just an example that was just a Shabbat meal, but obviously we're in the Knesset regularly in contact with ministers of the government, people in the opposition and in the mainstream, the media here. And they need to understand what's going on behind the scenes in America, and Americans need to understand what's going on behind the scenes here. I mean, I think that's a very interesting play, Jeff, and I appreciate you joining us from Israel today, from our office at ACLJ Jerusalem, and just to kind of just give people a peek into just a Friday night Shabbat dinner, who we're bringing together to have conversation, to have a meal together, to learn not just about what we see in the news on the front pages, but what's most important when you're talking about international issues, which is what happens behind the scenes.

We can come back to the next break. Well, someone also very familiar with that on our team, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is a senior counsel at the ACLJ. I do want to take a phone call if we can, and people can hold on the line.

We're talking about these whistleblowers as well. Mike in Ohio on line one. Hey, Mike.

Hi, how are you? Hey, I got a quick question. If you'll allow me to digress to the legal efforts digging into the Bidens. My question is, is the liberals kind of have a two prong approach. They go federal and state, meaning an Alvin Bragg in New York City, because that's where Trump was from. And yet they, you know, filed charges to Jack Smith and that kind of thing. Is there any way to move the look into Biden's into any state levels? Because at the federal level, they got the cops, they have the FBI, they got the DOJ.

Nothing's going to happen with Merrick Garland. Can we move this to the state somehow? I mean, you'd have to see, I haven't seen any allegations yet that would be state allegations. You could have state tax issues. Right now, most of this is federal because you've got a federal tax issue with Hunter Biden.

You had a Farah issue. That's a foreign agent registration act. That's totally federal. So a lot of this has been stuck in the federal system also because these are investigations done of a, of a present and former and a, and the President's son.

Now, certainly if he wasn't paying taxes and his state taxes and wasn't doing the right thing for these businesses they have in the States, then yes, you could bring state court actions. But so far, nothing that's been uncovered or nothing that has really gotten the focus yet has been there. And I don't know, Mike, I mean, you might be correct that it's just that our, that the district attorneys aren't looking at it and maybe that's even Republicans or that we just, we don't think about trying to use the legal system to just punish our political opponents. But so far, most of what's been discussed has been federal issues and that's why it's been stuck in these federal courts.

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So we need your financial support so we can continue to do our work, but also continue to expand our work at the ACLJ. We'll be right back with Mike Pompeo. Israel in the news because Israel's President, Isaac Herzog, addressed a joint session of Congress just about an hour and a half ago. And of course you had these Democrat members of the Progressive Caucus, some of them who boycotted, others who have, you know, said that Israel's racist state in the lead up to this visit by President Herzog, and also just kind of the tensions that you feel between the difference between how the Trump administration was working with the state of Israel and the Biden administration is kind of not working with the state of Israel. In fact, during the speech, Israel's President, Isaac Herzog, who I think understands the idea of freedom of speech because in Israel there's freedom of speech, and he said there's criticism of Israel, this was a direct quote, must not cross the line into negation of the state of Israel's right to exist, that hey, you can be critical of our policies, our own people. You know, we have different political views and we have elections in our country.

But it's a step further when you start questioning our right to exist as the state of Israel. Our senior counsel for global affairs, Mike Pompeo, is joining us now, former secretary of state. Secretary Pompeo, I wanted to go right to this because we had nine Democrats, and unfortunately even though it's just these nine, they're some of the nine most high profile young Democrats.

It seems like this is where the party is moving. They boycotted the speech by Isaac Herzog and voted against a resolution celebrating Israel's 75th anniversary as the state of Israel. Jordan, it's pretty remarkable to watch a Democrat party begin to move against, frankly, the United States' great partner in the Middle East.

Its security partner, its economic partner, as we saw by the remarks of President Herzog today, someone who is committed to helping Americans be safe as well. And it's, to your point, it's just nine, that's a relatively small number in the House of Representatives, but there's a lot of energy in that group. And there were a whole bunch of folks who, frankly, didn't want to vote on that resolution. They didn't want it to happen because they did not want to anger the progressive part of the Democratic Party that has moved decidedly in a way that is, to use Representative Jay Paul's remarks, that said, Israel is a racist nation, right? That's anti-Semitic to the nth degree, right?

There's no shaving that, there's no rounding that, there's no walking that back. If you believe in your heart that this is a racist nation, the one country in the Middle East that permits every citizen, Arab, Jewish, Christian, Orthodox Jews, everybody to vote and participate, when you head down that path, you are essentially undermining the core covenant, which gives the Jewish people this rightful homeland in the nation of Israel. It was interesting, Secretary Pompeo, she ultimately, when you said you know that there was more members of Congress that didn't want to vote on this, because of the controversy over her statement saying that Israel is a racist state to cheers in this progressive conference she was speaking at, she ended up voting in favor of the resolution and trying to walk back.

But she's the head of this progressive caucus that most of that caucus voted against it and didn't even attend the speech. But what we're seeing, the rhetoric is moving up. First it was the all about the Benjamins kind of thing, which is obviously a clear shot at Jews, and those kind of statements from Representative Ilhan Omar, but then it's the apartheid state stuff, then it's just Israel is, I mean just bluntly saying Israel is a racist state. The rhetoric keeps getting more and more intense.

That's right, and they become slower to walk it back, and they throw it out there because they know it'll gain attention, but then they walk it back ever so slowly and see how far they can creep. They are supported by the set of policies that the Biden administration has put forward. You mentioned this in your opening, but we're now back to funding the UN group that gives money to the Palestinians, to Mahmoud Abbas, who is paying people to slay people in Israel. We watch them now when Israel has to defend itself from rockets that come from the Gaza Strip or attacks that take place inside of Israel, Tel Aviv, or Jerusalem. This administration is very slow, very grudging to say, nope, the United States stands with Israel.

It's right to defend its own people. When we get to the issues that we dealt with in the Trump administration, we made it very clear. The Golan Heights was part of Israel. Now, the Biden administration has said, well, products that are made in the Golan Heights are no longer properly made in Israel, echoing the sentiments of anti-Semitic BDS movement. The Biden administration is providing real energy and real support to folks like Yoan Omar and Representative Jay Paul, that is most unfortunate and it is dangerous and it's indecent, Jordan. Yeah, it just seems like, again, that the relationship is frayed right now and that the Biden administration, I guess, ignoring the success, we've talked about it with you before, the success of the Abraham Accords, instead of seizing on that as an opportunity, hey, as an incoming new administration say, hey, this was some good work done, let's seize on this, let's grow this out, is instead almost... We've seen a deterioration of that as well and a lot of that was new relationships between Israel and Gulf states, but you oversaw the entire State Department and there has been a sense for those who support Israel that there's some internal actions too inside the State Department that are pretty anti-Israel.

Did you pick up on that when you were Secretary of State, like these actors within, the bureaucrats within, that kind of have this old school viewpoint of, if you don't support this, we can't move on. John Kerry famously said, you know, this would set the world on fire if Donald Trump acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, of course it did not, it led to the Abraham Accords and more peace. Jordan, you got it exactly right, no, deeply ingrained inside the United States Department of State, and frankly, most of the United States government bureaucracy is the central idea that the largest problem in the Middle East is created by the Israeli government and the conflict that they have with the Palestinians, that that is the fulcrum upon which peace must turn, and it is, you know, it is radically pro-Palestinian in its actions. Their words would be more balanced, but make no mistake about it, it comes from the idea too that the United States is not a force for good in the region, there are too many who believe that as well, and that combination leads them to forget that you can actually build out peace, peace not only between Arab states and Israel, but between people that live in Judea and Samaria and Israel, if we can simply find leadership inside of what's called the West Bank, if we can find leadership there that's prepared to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, that does not exist today, the current leadership of the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority is still trying to kill Israelis, paying people who do, and they have no intention of making peace with Israel because frankly, they benefit from the continued conflict, they continue to abscond with wealth, and they run their kleptocracy, and that's bad news for not only Israelis and the Americans in the Gulf Arab states, but for the Arabs that are living in those lands as well. Yeah, Secretary Pompeo, we appreciate you joining us today on the broadcast, and your work with us at the American Center for Law and Justice, and again, understand what Secretary Pompeo just said there, there are those inside the West Bank, there's just the bad actors inside their own government, inside their own Palestinian government, kleptocrats, they're billionaires, they've become billionaire refugees, I mean it's interesting they still use the Refugee Works Agency at the UN that Secretary Pompeo referenced that we're now funding again, but yet they are billionaire leaders of these Palestinian movements, where do you think those billions are coming from? It's not anything they're producing inside the West Bank, it's coming from skimming off the top, and from all of this money that is coming in from overseas to supposedly be helping people, who if you go and visit those areas, you will see, have not been helped very much by those resources at all, and we saw a willingness in those Gulf states to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, to do business with Israel, to take on tourism with Israel, so if those Gulf states can do it, I think most Palestinians who live in those territories want to see the same thing, but the people getting rich off it want a status quo, they love the status quo, the status quo makes them rich, it's turned them into billionaires. We want you to support the work of the ACLJ, just those last two segments, ACLJ Jerusalem, where we're on the ground there again full time, Mike Pompeo is a team member of the ACLJ, it's because of your financial support of the ACLJ, be part of our matching challenge, double the impact of your donation today, that's at ACLJ.org, ACLJ.org. We'll talk to you tomorrow, we'll get into that whistleblower testimony on Seculub.