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MAJOR Win in IRS Lawsuit

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May 17, 2022 1:17 pm

The ACLJ filed a lawsuit against Biden's IRS after they ignored our Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request demanding all records pertaining to a decision to deny Christians Engaged, our client, tax-exempt status. The IRS tried to make our lawsuit disappear by filing a Motion to Dismiss and the court just rejected the IRS's motion. Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team break down our lawsuit and this major step forward in our battle against the IRS's targeting of Christians and conservatives. This and more today on Sekulow.

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The IRS in federal court back 23rd of 2021 for people watching. The broadcaster that is right here from the ACLJ then we had to take the IRS to court that began again August 2020, 21, the IRS tried to file a motion to dismiss and yesterday that motion to dismiss was denied ACLJ victorious infected just to read a little part of this for you from the court's opinion for all these reasons, the IRS is not met its burden of showing the ACLJ support request is improper. It's hereby ordered that the IRS motion to dismiss is denied without prejudice is further ordered that the parties shall file a joint status report apprising the court how they wish to proceed in this case, including a proposed schedule for briefing or disclosure of key documents. Remember, the IRS initially had denied tax-exempt status to a Christian organization called Christians engaged in in their denial which I'm holding up right now for you. They created a legend in that ledge and it was interesting.

The D is what stood for Republicans in stood for word of God and it said part of the reason why you were denied status that ultimately they got the status. What we are looking for here is whether or not there's a bigger IRS conspiracy going on to target conservative groups applying for status yet again.

Before the midterm elections. We saw this we been through this before. At the ACLJ representing those tea party clients who spoke the letter while your founder and President is a motivational speaker, former D congressional candidate but means Republican. There political consultant and preacher of the gospel. He believes the IRS uses language like a preacher of the gospel. Your vice President about motivational speaker over President of FF being the Texas Eagle forum and intercessor is that the negative now that you write for other people and former freight prayer coordinator for promise keepers me up looking for G and a homeschool mom. So the fact that there was Shiva homeschool mom was part of why they denied this group status that ultimately because of our whether the IRS case. This group got there status that they deserve this lineal supply here Oya and what we gotta find out what the reason went to court is because what else is a players who in the IRS decided that they could start putting down first. These this legend. D is Democrat M word of God and why would the IRS be asking questions about your biblical Lee held beliefs your view of the Bible as relates to policy as if that's off limits. Considering we have a consent decree from the Internal Revenue Service service. We went to court and beat him after three years that says the IRS acknowledges that the First Amendment generally prohibits the government from discriminating against citizens on the basis of their viewpoints are protected speech under protected associational interests in the IRS acknowledges that the criteria for selecting tax-exempt applications for Iris review should focus on the activities of work of the organization, not their viewpoints. So here we go.

As soon as you realize what happened here as soon as the new administration came in the bite administration came in the moment they came in one of the first acts is to go right back to the targeting using the IRS as a weapon that we beat them back and now it's interesting about this court cases. This your American Center for Law and Justice with the court said the Americans and of law and justice. Soon the IRS to compel disclosure of seven categories of records. The ACLJ sought a FOIA request and is George's bread for you. We succeeded in beating back their motion to dismiss, but we sued the Internal Revenue Service when they're overreaching. We don't hesitate to sue the IRS when they are violating the Constitution.

We fight back and that's where you come in. Folks your support of the ACLJ makes all the difference in the world. We encourage you go to ACLJ as we fight back on all of this is right ACLJ that order a new blog up to seek and share with your friends and family ACLJ scores await over the bite administration in our lawsuit over IRS targeting of conservatives and Christians. It is happening again who want to stop it before it gets out of control. Go to support our work. Give us a call one 800 684 31 to the Bible is patient to silence you. It's all about practicing this attempt to silence conservative groups we are seeing that big up that misinformation, disinformation, governance board rod out of a law enforcement agency of the federal government.

DHS receiving IRS which also has a law enforcement division within it, and they work closely with the DOJ and FBI we see them again denying trying to deny Christian organizations that happen to be conservative organizations with these letters. Now they fought back using our win in the IRS case to ultimately give that group status but not but again, these groups had to go through legal challenges thing they did just again. They should've just been approved like any other 501(c)(3).

They applied for their status, their new organization.

They should be denied because of their biblical worldview. Having the fact that again part of the denial was the one of that the vice President was a homeschool mom. Think about it that we and yes they put that on the first page of their denial letter side at this idea will be talk about the attack on parents speech. We talked about the idea of last like last week, the FBI and Department of Justice using the counterterrorism division to Dr. parents at the luminaire to speak up at school board meetings and challenge school board candidates in political elections and said you were to be politicians and had FBI knocking on their door. We this all is is really it's a copy of what the Obama administration. I tried to do before they were facing a very difficult midterm election which is silence real grassroots American organizations that speak into a group tonight the same kind of organization to get target sites group that hands out constitutions, the other party without the Bible Society retains a Bibles and again it's those categories because they have Constitution in their name and and that their leaders might be more conservative, leaving it somehow. They should be in a targeted, those are the kind of groups we were fighting for.

Back in the IRS stays initially and what you can't give up is that they that this attempt. I think that which is so troubling to me to constantly weapon eyes agency after agency against political speech and political organizing in the in the weapon eyes agencies that have law enforcement capabilities. Remember, people forget this, the Internal Revenue Service has a criminal enforcement agency and criminal division of the IRS called the criminal Pirates called criminal division and if you have a agency that we know in the past has without any hesitation. Try to get other agencies including the ethics behind the empty seat to quote bring a criminal case against two against one of these groups. This was tea party groups that will basically scare them all.

But listen to what this in the IRS for the put in their letter.

This is what so outrageous about all this. I'm glad we got a great resolution. Your mission statement indicates that you exist to awaken, motivate and empower ordinary believers in Jesus Christ for so they wrote that in an IRS letter somebody had that dictated in or typed in and said that's okay. We got that on the screen. Think about that for a moment that that's okay.

Then they said here's the issues. Pray for the nation regularly vote in every election to impact the culture engage hearts in some form of political education or activism for the future of the net nation strive to educate Christians on the importance of prayer, voting and engagement. Nonpartisan manner now, but not taking sides. By the way. Then they say this, for example concerning the topic of partisan political races. The blog indicates that the party platforms be looked at to see which candidate is most aligned with Christian biblical values.

The blog list some of the most important Christian biblical values as sanctity of human life government debt goes on and on.

Here's the point. The Iris doesn't get to do this now.

Fortunately, our friends, and at Liberty Institute God Kelly Jacobins, but was able get the group tax exemption, but as you'll recall, we went to court and I mentioned it briefly last segment and obtained both monetary damages and a consent decree for our clients in three Years with almost 4 years with the litigation with the IRS. This goes a long way back to let them not do this. So the question then becomes, is this some rogue agent, which is what Pres. Obama called it years ago until it found out it was a nationwide campaign orchestrated by the head of the tax-exempt division Lois Lerner or is this in fact a policy and when you got a policy like this you have to have a situation that becomes very very clear and that very very clear is the nature and scope of what's going on here and that is targeted enforcement.

The silencing of conservatives that's want to take your phone calls on 1-800-684-3110 trying to scare you out of the two to be silent to scare you from entering into the school board meeting because all the FBI showing up at some these parents homes out to scare you out of organizing a group because the IRS might deny you status I to scare you away from the abortion battle ending his let's all be honest, there's two things is the midterms coming up as a lot of the primaries tonight will cover those tomorrow the broadcast. Hopefully will get most is resulted by the timer on the broadcast tomorrow, but remember there's also a major cultural battle about to begin is Artie begun because of the leak of that draft opinion from the court.

If that opinion holds or something very close to it Roe versus Wade is overturned, there's going to be this grassroots search at the very local level, state and local level were prepared for bringing out something on Thursday on this broadcast. You deftly will be listing on Thursday about a new effort were launching at the ACLJ precisely for these battles and that were big organization with a lot of attorney so we go to the IRS and applied work with that. That's one thing but it's it's it's something very different when you're small organization doing this on your own. I think a there's a problem here. There's lots of groups like us to exist and then you get these denials in the benefit figure out what who scatters to represent me or do I even continue on in this battle. Or maybe you're so invasive I just stop.

That's their ultimate goal. They want you just to sit back and stop it's not even about going to vote thereby. Would you going about what they know what you do is to get other people to go to vote and what you educating people on the issues like to talk about here educating people on the sanctity of life, biblical justice, even the US and Israel relations that's mentioned in an IRS letter with the thickening of the foreign policy that the IRS is sitting there writing this I want you to put yourself in visual see this an IRS agent, tax-exempt agent is doing this is putting this in writing and that is absurd to say biblical values, mission, then to go ahead and say prayer word of God and they come up with this fake legend as if all that's okay.

That's the problem.

Yeah, yeah, I think, again, when you look at the entire scope of this you put everything together work out with this IRS. When we got but again you gotta keep fighting them you have it. You gotta be an organization like the ACLJ that can double down on your fights and can't that I could be over in a month and I could be over while they're on TV that you got it. You gotta fight these battles to ensure it does not become widespread.

You know it. We learned about the IRS targeting because so many groups A similar questionnaire but now we've learned. Let's not wait for that. Let's get ahead of that to make sure that the IRS is in implementing a broad scale plan to shut down these groups in that situation what they did was they kept they kept slowing the process so far down that the groups never got a yes or no answer they have for the years you write in the net effects, of course, your ability to get insurance if you need to bring a bus to go to an event or host an event she need insurance to host an event, things like that basics of running an organization that you need. That's why these groups aside voluntarily always like to say this, by the way, all of these groups went to the IRS voluntarily and submitted their information is set if you need more information, let us know. And instead of that they got denials back because hey I you had a former minister yet homeschool mom on your board and you talk about US and Israel, and you talk about border security talk about the Bible too much and well if you talk about the Bible too much. You know that's helping Republicans, which they label as D in their letter in order spell that out with this. This again shows you what the danger of amiss missing disinformation board can be, especially when it's embedded in a law enforcement agency and why were taking these actions so seriously if the ACLJ we don't just fight them when they are in the news. Often times you see you you can comment on that.

And that's when it's site sometimes good to utilizes moments get people educated certainly were doing that right now with this case but realized. Now to fight this case to continue on to find out.

Do they have another be on the lookout list. Another Bolo list were there trying to target conservative groups in the lead up to the midterm elections, and especially pro-life groups as well because it's gonna be a whole new group of pro-life organizations you it's been at the national level for so long.

This could be even more local groups at a community level argued that trying to apply for the tax exempt status in the right and they're good to go after my think that's where it becomes a get extremely dangerous lamentably now playing the next segment but we I testify before Congress on this very issue. But when this broke and it's it's pretty dramatic. Not unlike in the will. If we could get the question, not just the answer. So the people missed and with the question. The congressman asked me what but we testify to this up on this very fact and thence we started getting some of the results. Of course, and we did the FOIA request is which were done now and that is been obviously beating the government in court. I want to stress this for a moment the Internal Revenue Service under Joe Biden fought to dismiss the case. Okay, that's the rights litigation. The court denied their motion to dismiss and's and said we get to Percy which we are, by the way, we got lawyers in court today on a case on behalf of Israel so your team is working and were getting great results. I would encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ for getting your email. Sign up for those follow us usually in all the social media platforms. We have which is now on multiple reports with Twitter truth, Facebook, YouTube parlors are preferred.

A place for you to view the broadcast of viewing it for more information will be right back to secularity or phone calls to as well. At 1-800-684-3110 at 2064 3110 adjusted to review portion two from the application of law section.

This group.I just want you to understand the extent the federal government, the IRS. These agencies are weapon icing against you. They wrote this quote, you educate Christians on what the Bible says in areas where they can be instrumental, including areas of sanctity of life. The biblical teachings are typically affiliated with the D party but the deal. Remember in the legend that means Republican is so out of biblical teachings now happen to fall between partisan politics, the IRS sees your faith only as political, which is absurd. They don't need to be in the business of getting involved in theology that is not the business of the federal government at all. Certainly not the IRS and suit because you typically affiliate with the Republican party and candidates.

This disqualifies you from exemption under the IRS 501(c)(3) that this again.

The idea that the IRS was started to look into people's theology so your theology is too conservative for us. So it's been a favorite conservative candidates. So you're now not qualified to be a C3 organization.

I do this it's absurd but you have to then put the big picture together the big picture is this, do you feel like you work there is an attempt to silence vessel asking the question a free to call in about 1-800-684-3110 to silence you about speaking out on the issues that you care about and then you get demonized immediately if you care about border security is somehow inhumane. Even if you talk about the inherent inhumane treatment of the people crossing the border illegally, and how that's creating a humanitarian crisis if you ask questions about where is the baby formula going is a going to the border instead of into the American shelves because of the border crisis that somehow inhumane notes of the question what where's the government utilizing its resources. Are we shipping all Ukraine what what is the issue when you gotta take care and that the idea again that it's bad now to say take care of Americans first because America first is a bad term in Washington DC to ultra bag and now you have become Joe Biden's favorite things left out his things on Ariel and as she does is director of policy new to this entire case is good that we got a motion we beat the government back on the motion to dismiss what you see here.

Well, I see several things. First of the Biden administration has launched an unmitigated attack on grassroots Americans on Christians on pro-lifers and this is all part of the war on truth and it is also part of the Biden administration's attempt to eviscerate Americans freedom of speech rights and free exercise rights. The Biden administration sinks to seeks to entangle religion with government policy.

Contrary to the United States Constitution, and so if you subscribe to certain religious or political views, then the Biden administration seeks to use the entire weight of government to deny you your rights within the meaning of both the law and the Constitution. Elbert Einstein has said, a clever person solves problems while a wise person avoids them.

The Biden administration shows that it is neither wise nor clever. Instead, it invites problems leaving the courts to solve problems. The IRS unnecessarily causes this idiocy must want to follow up on what you just said with the unnecessary cause is not here. There are noticeably the IRS. I mean they've been on notice that you can't do this targeted viewpoint discrimination we don't allow that in the United States if they did it anyways. They did it because they are political ideologues. They believe in ideology over the Constitution and so they see the Constitution merely as a steppingstone to power so they will utilize the Constitution when it serves their interests, but they will deny opponents the rights to deploy the Constitution to protect their interest. We have done this in court now with beating back the IRS is motion to dismiss, but we also went to the halls of Congress were there was a hearing and assess the Best Buy.

I did this a question from representative and representative Debbie Nunez now that is true, social, and my response.

Take a listen. What should Americans be looking for what should Congress be looking for and I look forward to you. Just answering that providing information for us, but they are all for being there. So Congress lent the problem is not just the individual agent.

I do not believe for a moment that an individual agent wrote a letter to Christians United not reviewed with the legend, including M equals the word of God in a deep, both Republican and first of all, just think about that for a moment, the idea that they would even do that to me, that still is the issue. The fact that the IRS they could do this. That's what's so absurd the phones to him in California on line 1 hate to motion to secular your on-air neglect officer why is IRS so intent on doing literally can with other branches of the Biden administration to make America like China. Listen, I think there's two things that play one is elections politics they they control the bureaucracy. They know the bureaucracy is very favorite favorable to them so as not to go after all political groups sensitive Sweden kind of China and us was kinda similar.

Actually, the protect the liberal interest groups. I can imagine a liberal group getting a letter like this, a liberal religious group. I getting into their theology and say well you know you helped ours too much with our means Democrat and getting deep into wealth are your kids go to a progressive school like they they put up a homeschool mom and the letter so if they get a progressive school that must mean that your progressive group so you not to be eligible for C3 status at the idea is political control, so the silencing of your free speech rights is political control if they silence your free speech rights there silencing your right to organize your right to petition the government for redress agreed grievances there.

They are silencing your religious freedom rights of free exercise of religion.

These are all the free press all are based on the idea that we had the freedom of speech and that the government very very rarely gets involved in says this kind of speech is not going to be allowed and in those situations, the government even when it's criminal.

Even when it's really vile speech. The government and that the courts have been very weary of condemning that speech.

That's why would they start saying awful, but lawful speech. They have a very different view of what they think. They think we should be the Europeans who don't have real freedom of speech rely on Parliament and laws to say what you can and can't say that year was interesting here of course is that the IRS I keep going back to start.

They actually could do this in here. I think the dangerous thing here and I'm glad that we were able to file this lawsuit and when you find out if this was a national campaign. I want to shut it down, but the fact that they did shows the hubris shows the fact that despite a consent decree saying you can't do it, filed in Washington DC by a federal judge, they still did it anyways, that's correct. And so many of the bureaucrats in government. Many of the individuals who were part and parcel of the deep state believe that free speech is a luxury which we can no longer afford elites in America like Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in Canada. They admire China's social credit system and they seek political control is Jordan suggest it's all part and parcel, I would argue of the world economic forum's attempt to control rank and file Americans and I think the American people should not stand for what you support our work at the American surfline justice as this week on Thursday as enormous show prepare to launch a new initiative so really getting upset Thursday and Friday on the broadcast I too really I get engaged at a level that we can't engage in C3 so little bit of hit their work more coming in the ACLJ. To combat this, be right back for decades. ACLJ is been on the frontline protecting your freedom is defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side, you're already a member thinking.

If you're not well this is the perfect time to stand with us,, where you can learn more about our life-changing work become a member today ACLJ keeping you informed and now, this is Jordan secular secularity to take your photos to 1-800-684-3110. This idea, I just want to get a sense from you. You feel like the Biden administration is trying to silence you. I mean, it looks like by all efforts to try to scare you away from political organizing, leading up to believe elections going on all the time. Our primary stiletto primaries tonight. I would have been in the news. For this we primaries all leading up to within there's actual midterm elections in November and the idea of silencing you are making you feel demonized by being part of a movement that they are this government disagrees that with the weight even saying that the words but they are demonizing up the idea that we would put baby formula 1st for Americans if we could figure out where those supply chains are they not giving us information about how much is going to the border.

How much is going overseas instead of what we can even fill our own shelves in many states across the country where that's becoming a crisis you think about these crisis gas price crisis baby formula crisis. Do you think there's a reason why they want to shut you up and want to make sure you don't get involved in politics that I read that the foreign policies been a disaster. To say the least. I mean, we seen Russia invade Ukraine and become this kind of stalemate horrible war arena. Some of that later. Other countries trying to join NATO now because they're worried about Russia invading them.

I mean this is this is real world issues, but they don't want you engaging on is a lot of domestic issues at play here.

The schools curriculum the again, are we getting into another summer of violence. We saw this horrible violence breakout over over the weekend again and in an egg what it's that sense of feeling that we defunded the police. We demonized the police work in the demonized conservative activist and get them to try and organize a had to that working at a misinformation disinformation campaign or committee grievance of governance oversight committee for misinformation, disinformation, and and where to put this not what some in a benign agency, none of them where to put it with homeland security because they have criminal enforcement power.

So think about that one for a moment as as the IRS is worrying about whether you're using the word of God and coming up with legends were D equals T equals Republican, I mean this is our date, they think, what would they think we'd have no idea what they're doing here sort of find out who did this and that party could well end up being a target of a lawsuit kindly because it appears the truth is that a 501(c)(3) organization fine with me that they exist, are called religious coalition for reproductive choice. They were in question 40 years ago for having views related closely to the art which would mean the Democrat party and they didn't just last week signed on to a letter from media matters sits into big tech advertise on to Twitter to try to force Twitter to keep their current content moderation standards or face a boycott. So again, the IRS has no problem with these groups if they treated everyone the same. We have no problem with the IRS but they are treating everyone the same. It's a bureaucracy present from time by draining the swamp.

It's a bureaucracy filled of left-wing Democrats that you controls Washington DC and their powerful because they remain when politicians come and go, and when they get when they think that they're getting signals like they got from Pres. Biden that you know peep this is the most extreme political movement in America is an area that is there signal to go after conservative groups. That's what all of our head of antennas went up we said you know what this is exactly how it started with Lois Lerner. She thought she was following the what Barack Obama wanted the IRS to do as well as members of Congress who were Democrats sitting the IRS letters saying go after these groups, what happens is they get nervous they they see the polls so they tip a scorched earth political strategy in the scorched earth is Republicans had we disband them. How do we get them on unified. How do we get them to stop speaking out how to give afraid to put this side in the yard afraid to talk to their neighbor, afraid to show up at a meeting or or attend an event, how do we get there, afraid to express their view. This interview, by the way when they do express their view on social media platforms. The new public square. We will try to shut it down.

We will either depart for them.

We put them in Facebook jail and all these new terms of, part it is a full on assault on your freedom of speech rights to try and silence you before an election so they can hope they are hoping to maintain some power specifically in the US it is malicious to its I give you supportive about it gets today for you to save babies the wrong time. Maybe I tend to get uptake of social media as well.

This is his foreign policy.

Also, now is a disinformation against Russia disinformation for Ukraine. This idea of can you just shared opinion about the news that's really what were talking about you with all the speech I want to continue take your calls to you as a college you feel like that's the Biden administration's goal is just to to get you to say you know what maybe I'll go vote, but I'm not generally talk to my friends and family about who amenable for, and certainly not to join a group because I don't be targeted by the IRS to start a new group that lets not run against the school board candidate because we at the FBI on that I meet. The list goes on and on it it's pretty atrocious and then on top of that DHS at their disinformation governance board to specifically start targeting you on social media so that's my question out there for you today at one 864 3110. I will talk about Chris's broke over the weekend. It's been brewing for a couple months now and that is with that situation were in Ukraine. What I call the war in Eastern Europe. You have now Finland who has not requested membership in NATO before who has the longest border with Russia and Eastern Europe in Europe saying they want NATO membership. They want a session tornado and you ask yourself what does that mean and why now and does that escalate the situation.

Col. West Smith is with this. First, what's your reaction to this turkey. By the way, we'll get into this in the moment, who is a NATO member and is supplied Ukraine with tactical weapons including very powerful drones is very hesitant on this.

They are Sweden and Finland both feel threatened by by pollutant and that's that's put in some fault for invading Ukraine. Finland also has bad blood with Russia because Stalin invaded Finland in 1939 and slaughtered thousands and thousands of fence so they for their own national security. Both Sweden and Finland want to join Finland in particular is a strong candidate. They have a huge military, they have the largest artillery units of the largest amount of artillery in all of Europe.

They just bought 60 4F 35 fighter jets from America and that 830 mile boarding are mentioned, Finland has such a large military, they will not require any NATO troops to replace their border there already policing it themselves.

They also already spend 2% of your GDP on national defense, which is technically required in the NATO alliance.

Although many of the nations don't do it, so both of these countries are strong candidates couldn't said that his reason for vein.

Ukraine was he was afraid of NATO.

He didn't want to get any larger more powerful it is back part NATO lamenting that is a national loss because this is the play contrary here just for a moment, it would seem to me that what you're trying to figure out the world try to figure out how to de-escalate this war and Eastern Europe and the granite hasn't gone well for the Russians but is doing is born up before the Russians have something allow these other countries don't have nuclear weapons, many of which are pointed at the United States exact okay so you asked this question does membership and ascension to NATO right now in the middle of all of this message executive inflamed the Russians give them more reason to do something unorthodox and dangerous, like using a tactical nuclear weapon and that's a legitimate concern. I I don't think you can really base national defense policy are defense of Europe based on whether or not pollutant will be provoked, but that is a legitimate concern. He might want to be on this planet advocate and why what you what you have to play nine dimensional just here. You would think that you would think that if you're going to make a minute and believe me I think with what Russia did. Ukraine is, I think that committed war crimes are.

I think they are violated international norms and an end with no justification them going into Ukraine.

Having said that tens of thousands of people are dead. Yes, children displaced from their homes. It's horrible. Why would you look at as a military analyst in the Pentagon are you thinking okay if we say yes to Finland now versus three months from now. Maybe this is calm down.

Maybe that's a better time.

Is this sending the wrong signal from the United States because were still the big driver of NATO that I do this now and again.

That's legitimate concern. I think part of the thinking, though, is that we we we really waited to arm the Ukrainians were very hesitant to do that because we did not want to provoke pollutant. He invaded anyway and so I think were a little bit gun shy in the West of trying to avoid provoking food because he is so unpredictable and the fear is that if we don't let Finland and Sweden joined at some point he he will probably invade one of those countries. Another interesting dynamic all this Jordan. You mentioned that his is a $40 billion request right now for money from United States to go to Ukraine and it is not gotten universal support don't know, it is still stalling in Congress and ethically. The idea there is because there's questions about one how long it takes the money to get there. Are our own economy to an end when a lot of elected officials are saying session, the Republican side is it's not that they don't want it assist Ukraine against this Russian aggression others pretty much unified support for that but it's like we can't throughout the United States and our interest for that. I gotta take care of your own people first. So when they're hurting at the pump when their mortgages are going up. When prices for everything arising extreme levels. We can't buy baby formula in the United States of America. Do you send money to Ukraine or you first figure out, let's get baby formula on the shelves. Let's put in. I mean a major plan and they don't have one yet of getting back to our shelves full in the United States of America. Let's not look like 1/3 world country when it comes to baby formula, where people that RM to resort to tax like and it created themselves very dangerous, difficult situations are beginning to feed their children and so this idea that that's not priority one right now for the ministry I was in the present United States in a baby's formula that that would be a number one priority number one getting that fixed right away but you can do more than one thing when you're present.

So you'd secure the border. So you would be sending so much the supplies the baby formula there right also a figure out how to get more European engagement in Ukraine, so you aren't the only country sending billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars to to fight this war, which is the approach raises the next question which is because you have discussed this $40 billion are the Europeans engage in human monitoring this for weeks now.

Are they engaged the level financially to make they made the commitments they need to be making less for the most part are major players have with the thing about giving this 40 B endorses Jordan alluded to is that inflation is so high and in federal spending you know actually increases inflation, but the other thing to and Rand Paul brought this up about Ukraine and that is they have a long history of corruption.

We can't just shove cash into restraint. And so what Rand Paul is suggested is we have an Inspector General who will actually oversee where Ukraine spends this cash, but for the most part, I would be shocked.

The Ukrainians object that I would be shocked of the object agree is intricate. You got Americans involved in their internal governance. However, I don't think grandpa is wrong. I understand exactly uncertain exactly. I think this is another issue affecting her because this is well 164 3110 because these are issues that affect America greatly be we are number one supporter of Ukraine that this is not seem like something is can it be ending anytime soon.

Unfortunately is very unfortunate for the people of Ukraine of the isolation of Russia. But are we forgetting China's well.

We talked about that with Sec. Pompeo recruit now every time thereon is, don't pull your eye off what's going on around the rest of the world especially with China and Taiwan and in the situation there. The genocide going on inside China.

I mean the these issues are huge. Our administration currently the buy demonstration just seems to play them all down its equity. When you see him give a speech.

It's it's a horrendous speech and it's on that such is to be mean it's it's it's ghetto VP Harris saying 14 times were to work together in the same 330 60 seconds and she could prepare for these moments, she is a huge staff to prepare her for the statements that's all they've got to say I mean you know when you go to try to figure out the answer on the baby for nearly they blame one plant, why not be working on opening up another plane getting think cut the red tape.

Make sure it's safe to cut the red tape and fill the that that the shelves this is this absurd in the United States of America when I'm on my Facebook page and ECP families who had the money to buy it, who were saying you all pay double if you could pick it up for me. If you see that the grocery store Widmer you the money and pick it up from your house will do everything in our opinion on Amber.

What's Artie very expensive.

This is to keep their child alive lesson I will remember this, you were not even born yet. This is the Jimmy Carter era all over again. I feel like were the same thing can get gas can get you and put heat on. Remember in Europe because of the shortages.

This is unreal. It is very unreal. The American people have not struggled like this since the presidency of Jimmy Carter, both of them happened did the Democrats and it seems like the buy demonstration is a bit tone deaf. I don't think they understand the depth of the struggle or the depth of the American people's dissatisfaction 75%. In a recent poll, Americans in the country is going in the wrong direction. Less question. Col. Smith where you see the next what happens next in Ukraine you think.

I think there needs to be a compromised and hopefully there will be I think the Don Bass region were going to have to consider that a loss. Ukraine is and that Russians keep it. Hopefully that will give Hooton an exit ramp because militarily, Russia is being defeated on the battlefields of Ukraine right now, but they confront long-term though they could keep engaging probably longer than absolutely asked very interesting. I we got more coming up. Don't forget folk support work the American Center for Law and Justice, That's ACLJ that are here's what window number of phone lines.

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This is a very interesting comment from Josh on YouTube that this is talk about the IRS and the.but this information by the way, the board governance for disinformation should be looking at the Internal Revenue Service or the judge says about the IRS denial letter. Clearly they named it DET equal Republican to try and throw off anyone reading your thinking Diebel Democrat. The Bollinger sleight-of-hand, deception, right misinformation, disinformation, what is there possible excuse for saying D equals Republican other than that it's it's ridiculous absurd. I mean it. It is there is no other explanation except to throw people off with her doing document searches yes to what they are what they are now what they're preparing the documents to make it tougher for groups like us to find the information exactly by using absurd legends like the ledges. What is this letter stand for what's this acronym mean absurd legends that wouldn't show up in a basic search of the cell.

Nothing came up in your search about that. That is to try and give an sensitive tip to deception and to deceive it to keep you from the information I did to me that this again. It's the biggest issue we face right now is attempt to silence the opposition forces in the United States from especially right now. Yes was going to agriculture. Bill and Montana online one, he built my questionnaire in order adopting the US government from eliminating FOIA request altogether.

That's a great question. So here in the federal statute that authorizes agreement information act request came in the in the in the kind of the shadows of Watergate. What the government does and there's exemptions were some things are exempt. But what they do is when you filing it starts with the letter so we send in a premium information act letter and then usually the government doesn't respond and this was a calm, holding him this was the foil letter we sent in and they don't respond and then we gotta go to court. We file this a federal lawsuit and then they try to dismiss it so your and not always the case, but I would say 75% of the time we end up in federal court over this. So what the government even though there's a statute Harry that says get this information the public in the idea of government transparency.

The reality is they don't want to see any of this. I think that is correct and I find out what happened. I think that is correct. It's also important to keep in mind that the deep state leaders have a low opinion of the American people and they are quite willing to engage in behavior which insults the intelligence of rank and file Americans. But it's also important to note that organizations like the ACLJ are equipped with lawyers who actually read and litigate the the statute, and hence we are prepared to fight them at least on equal terms, and to the extent that we have competent jurors who are basically reviewing these requests more likely than not, we will prevail in the end, but I think it's also important to keep in mind that the government objected beyond attempting to block us from gaining necessary information. They are also engaged in a somewhat successful campaign to delay the disclosure of the offending information and I think that to some extent, is what's going on here and that I think is a central issue with respect to FOIA. I keep on coming back to this for the entire audience. Somebody, the Internal Revenue Service sat down at a keyboard or somebody up above bended and typed all this out. Put Dick Deas Democrat. The M is word of God, your ear, you believe in the Bible.

Your pro-Israel you are pro-life, your hopes will monitor homeschool not they put that in a document thinking that was never to see the light of day that their hope, their hope is that you seek your denial and you say you know what I cost money. I can find attorneys to appeal this that I had a fight this and seems pretty bad when you get a denial from the IRS. It is a multipage denial was like a one pager that the unit you filed something wrong fix that resubmit this was this was like we really looked into you. We know who you are than it gets people thinking do I want the IRS involved in my life any more deeply than they already are. At this point even though I did voluntarily submit this information are going and looking at how I educate my kids deciding if my group is getting it political IRS C3 status because I happen to decide homeschool your kids or what sex if you scuttle Christian school, so it again. They would never do this. If you see your kids over some liberal private school is no way that letter exist.

I guarantee the letter does not exist. It's never gone out, but this come from Joe I think is really important piece of good work. ACLJ. The problem is and this is true cost lots of money to sue the government while the government has it seemingly they do endless money pit an incredible amount of largely due the entire Department of Justice, but they also have a list resources that so you have to be committed.

If you go to fight these battles not just talk about you have to be committed to the long-term fight give depth does it support and what you and understand that it's not only in the summer this very question. He talks about this endless. An incredible amount of lawyers. It's not just department treasury of lawyers. The Department of Justice has lawyers there is a FOIA division of lawyers inside the Department of Justice where when you talk about deep state activists. It's deep both in the legal part and in the compliance area and the fact of the matters were Jordan's right that means we have two be committed. I knew what it is correct because if you look at the deep state they have been unleashed to go after. For instance moms for liberty. They've been unleashed to go after individuals who believe in the Constitution, who believe that the United States, for instance, is a Republican form of government.

So if you believe in the Constitution. It's very possible that the Atty. Gen. that the Department of Justice will come after you, under the leadership of Atty. Gen. Marit Garland, who basically suggested that parents were engaged in domestic terrorism by showing up at school board meetings and basically contesting the right of school boards to insist that kids wear masks or that skids kids of study.

Critical race theory, you name it we have to be very vigilant because at the end of the day, the government particularly in Washington does not have the best interest of the American people, and mine is nine years ago this month is May 10, 2013 when Lois later admitted in that law school classroom while at the IRS was doing just as a flashback to remind you that there that could be back at you for getting ahead of it this time I 20 well they use names like tea party or patriots and they selected cases, simply because the application had those names in the time that was wrong.

The IRS would like to apologize for that.

That was wrong. The IRS would like to apologize for that.

I want to think about that one for a moment when you're audited. You leave out a receipt that was wrong. I apologize for that but here's what bothers me. This is what she says they use names like tea party.

They selected cases, simply because the application had those names and it that was wrong and then she said the IRS would like to pop. She was the tax-exempt division of the Internal Revenue Service stamping her name onto those questionnaires that we know that originated actually from Washington DC tray that was November.

She was still initially try to blame Cincinnati I regional office for this problem in the targeting. Again, I think, what, where, it's a reminder, is when you put all these agencies together and you got a administration facing bad poll numbers start freaking out. They start doing things that are wrong to try to save themselves politically and are willing to do things the Republicans never would be willing to do and they shouldn't because it's it's wrong and it's really illegal to weapon eyes, these branches of government that we were there really what scares me is that there weapon icing law enforcement there weapon icing or Snape such as policies and ideas there weapon icing to scare you in the south you go to support our work and get informed on the issues

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