Sen. Lindsey Graham On Air to Break Down Putin Tweet

Today on Sekulow, Senator Lindsey Graham joins us live to break down his tweet on taking out Vladimir Putin. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow.

Welcome to Sekulow. We have got a packed show for you today. In the next segment of the broadcast, we'll be joined by US Senator Lindsey Graham. You might have seen his tweet. You might have seen the news about his tweet last night. Some people were misinterpreting it.

We wanted to give an opportunity to talk about it, but also to talk directly to you about why he thinks it's important. He tweeted this. Is there a Brutus in Russia? Of course, referring to the Shakespeare play Julius Caesar, where Brutus assassinates Caesar.

Is there a more successful Colonel Stauffenberg? He was part of a failed plot to kill Adolf Hitler in the Russian military. The only way this ends is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out, referring to Putin. He's not saying he has to be, by the way, assassinated, but removed from power. And notice he is saying it is Russians who would be doing this, not Americans calling for the assassination of a world leader.

That's very different. This is calling on the Russian people who are experiencing significant pain themselves economically. Of course, nothing like what the people in Ukraine are experiencing physically. But economically they are, and especially their top oligarchs. And when those top oligarchs face that kind of pain, they've got serious power. And I think if there's no Putin, there's no more war in Ukraine.

And I will tell you this. This whole situation in Ukraine, you could rest on the shoulders of Joe Biden and that administration. And there's a lot of reasons why we'll get into that with Senator Graham, but I want to do a flashback with you. Robert Gates, former Secretary of Defense, had a memoir. He was on Face the Nation. He was asked by Margaret Brennan about Joe Biden's foreign policy decision-making and success. This is eye-opening, folks.

Share this with your friend. Bob Gates, former Secretary of State, a Secretary of Defense, take a listen. You said in your memoir, Joe Biden is impossible not to like. Quote, he's a man of integrity, incapable of hiding what he really thinks, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to for help in a personal crisis. Still, I think he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades. Would he be an effective commander-in-chief? I don't know.

I don't know. I think I stand by that statement. He and I agreed on some key issues in the Obama administration. We disagreed significantly on Afghanistan and some other issues. I think that the vice President had some issues with the military, so how he would get along with the senior military and what that relationship would be, I think it would depend on the personalities at the time. The best takeaway, the most important takeaway is he and I agreed on some key issues in the Obama administration, but he said, and he said, I stand by my statement. That statement was he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades. Yeah, we're talking about going back to the Vietnam days.

And we are living with President Biden making those decisions now, and that's why we're on the verge of world war. We're going to have a live report from Kyiv as well. We're going to be joined by Rick Grenell in this broadcast.

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Request your free copy of Mission Life today online at ACLJ.org slash gift. Welcome back to Secula. We are joined by a great friend of ours, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham made a statement last night via Twitter and on Fox News. It's getting a lot of attention around the world. Lindsey has been a great friend of ours and a great friend of the ACLJ's for many, many decades. Senator, thanks for being with us.

Before we get into the particulars of what you have proposed or at least tweeted out, let me ask you this. The situation right now in Ukraine, how do you view it and how do you view the instability now in the region, especially with this nuclear power plant apparently under control of Putin's forces? Well, number one, I think the cities in Ukraine are going to start falling. The Ukrainians have been brave beyond my imagination, but the truth of the matter is they're outgunned thus far of fighting the Russians. But the weight of the Russian army will come to bear here. There will be an insurgency like you haven't seen before.

So this war will go on for years. The Ukrainians are willing to fight to their death. God bless the Ukraine.

And what I said last night, I stand by. The Russian people need to end this madness. The Russian people have suffered under Putin for 20 years. And the best way for this, N.J., is for the Russian people to take matters in their own hands and get rid of Putin by any means necessary. So you're looking at a situation, and you got a lot of controversy yesterday, but you'd be looking at it historically, taking out a leader like a Hitler. There were attempts on Hitler's life, unfortunately.

And I say this, unfortunately, they were not successful because it would have saved a lot of my family members, for instance, from facing the Holocaust. But when you say that, it gets a lot of attention. But the fact of the matter is, what you're proposing is that the Russian people react. And their military, Lindsey, is saying, well, you know, we were sent here under different pretenses.

At least that's what some of them are saying. I don't know if that's just Ukrainian propaganda. But the leader here is making the decisions.

Putin is making the decisions. So I can't say it any better. Just think how the world would have been different if somebody could have successfully taken Hitler down.

They tried, but they failed. So war crimes are being committed in front of you. I've been a military warrior for all my adult life. The Geneva Convention is being violated daily. They're using cluster bombs and vacuum bombs that are banned under the law of war. The military commanders are good candidates to be tried in international war tribunals. You carry out Putin's orders at your own peril.

What am I trying to do? I'm trying to let the Russian people know my fight is not with you. You're the victim as much as anybody else. I am trying to get the Russian people to stand up to this thug, this murderer, this thief, and end this. The only way it's going to end anytime soon is for the Russian people to bring justice to Putin.

All the sanctions have limitations. All the talk and all the prayers are wonderful. But we need the Russian people. I don't want to invade Russia. I'm not calling for that. I'm not calling for boots on the ground in the Ukraine. I'm calling for the Russian people to rise up and end the madness. Senator Graham, this is Jordan.

I thought that was very important because I think a lot of people misinterpreted. They didn't read your tweets clearly enough and your references to Brutus, a Roman, and to the colonel in Germany who tried to assassinate Hitler but failed. You're talking about not American assassination of a world leader, but the Russian people. By whatever means necessary, whether that's an arrest, whether that's just taking them out of power, any way to stop this horror that we are all seeing unfold on live television and on social media.

Jordan, you nailed it. Listen, I'm a rule of the law guy. I believe in order.

I believe in making sure the streets are safe. You break into somebody's store. You go to jail. You attack the cops. You pay a price.

The world situation is the same for me. Putin is a war criminal. He invaded a sovereign country. I'm not asking for US boots on the ground in the Ukraine.

I think that's not what we need to be doing. I'm not asking us to invade Russia and take care of Putin ourselves. I am calling on a Russian spring. I am calling on the people of Russia to rise up. Your future under Putin is very dark. You'll never be able to be part of the family of nations.

You'll live in abject poverty. You have suffered more than anybody for a very long time. And I do believe this is the moment that history meets the moment. And there are people in Russia. There's historical precedent for what I'm suggesting. Rise to the occasion and save thousands of lives in Ukraine and save the dignity of your country.

Here's what you said in the tweet. The only people who can fix this are the Russian people. Easy to say. Hard to do.

Unless you want to live in darkness for the rest of your life, be isolated from the rest of the world in abject poverty and live in darkness and you need to step up to the plate. Now, here's the question. Putin's on a very heightened alert because he knows that he's got opposition within his own leadership. He has opposition within the Russian people. And these oligarchs, Senator, are starting to turn on him.

Yes. So how do we make his situation worse and ours better? So the Achilles heel of the Russian war machine is the oil and gas sector in Russia. About 40% of the revenue to fund the Russian war machine comes from oil and gas.

So Manchin's bill, Joe Manchin's, is a great bill. Let's stop buying Russian oil and gas, about 4 to 8% of what we use, expand domestic production here to backfill and send it to our allies in Europe and cripple the Russian oil and gas economy, which will cripple the rupal even further. That will allow, I think, there's momentum building in Russia. They're living a miserable life. The more we can make Putin's Russia a miserable place to live, the more likely people are going to end this. And Senator Graham, we saw out of Germany, the Green Party, which was not so into old-style power mechanisms, they are now repurchasing coal and opening up coal plants.

They said it was just a pragmatic decision to make. I think in line with that, we're seeing the world, even some of the countries with leadership who is maybe even more extreme than some of the Green New Deal Democrats that I think Joe Biden is kind of in the pocket of, unfortunately. Can we break through that? Is there an ability to break through those Green New Deal Democrats that have his ear to get America back on? By announcing that we were going to reopen and restart this, we know we can impact the futures market, which brings prices down for the American people, but also, as you said, continues to isolate the Russian economy and the Russian oligarchs and Putin himself. It puts him in more danger. Well, so let's lead back to that.

That's a great question. Number one, I went over to a news conference yesterday with Joe Manchin and Democrats and Republicans to support his legislation that would cut off Russian and oil and gas being purchased by Americans, increase domestic production to backfill what we would lose, and actually send some over to Germany. And I saw a headline on the way to the press conference, Nancy Pelosi supports a ban on Russian oil and gas. I said, I got to read this bill again. Maybe I'm on the wrong bill.

Let me tell you how powerful this issue is. The Green Party and Germany is supporting terminals being built in Germany to receive gas outside of Russia. They're supporting the use of fossil fuels to get through this emergency situation that would ensue by cutting off oil and gas to Germany. The Biden administration is to the left of the Green Party in Germany and Nancy Pelosi. They have an insane view of energy. They're not pursuing green energy. They're pursuing a red energy strategy, energy that is full of Ukrainian blood. So 75 votes would exist next week to pass Joe Manchin's bill to stop buying Russian oil and gas, increase American production. And the only reason we're not voting is because of the Biden administration. Which is unreal. Last question for you, Senator.

I know you got to go left unchecked. Does Vladimir Putin, he's having trouble getting full control of Ukraine, but he probably will militarily. Does he stop there? I worry about a slice of Moldova called Transmercio that has submersion sympathies. I think Moldova would be next.

I don't think he goes to the Baltics, but here's what I worry about. If we don't go hard in after 20 years and we let him get away with it again, the world crimes in Ukraine are forgiven like they were in Syria. China was surely going to Taiwan. If the Chinese see the world coming against Putin, destroying Putin's economy and the Russian people rising up against Putin, I think the Chinese will be less likely going to Taiwan. In order that the Iranians learn from all this, it's good to have a nuclear weapon because the Ukrainians gave up theirs. If we get this right, then I think we deter China, we deter Iran.

If we let him win, let him get away with this, then the world is going to become a much more dangerous place. We appreciate you taking time. Senator Lindsey Graham, great friend of ours, great friend of this broadcast, and great friend of the ACLJ. Thanks, Senator.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. Welcome back to Sekulow. We've got a very special live report now coming to you from Keeve, a friend of ours, a musician that my dad is friends with who we reached out to. We wanted to be able to provide you a live report of what it's like in the capital city.

So, Dad, I'll let you do the introductions. Serge Tagnorano, and Serge is a very well-known performer, multi-instrumentalist, singer, performer in both Ukraine and, of course, Russia, but also here in the United States with a band that I'm a huge fan of called Leonin and Friends. Last time, Serge, you and I were together was in Nashville, Tennessee. Here we are now, and you are still in Ukraine. You live in Ukraine. Your bandmates are primarily Russian. What's the situation for you right now?

Hi, everybody. Yes, I'm here in Keeve from the first day of war when they started to invade. I've been here in my apartment with my family, my wife, kids, and my dog, and we woke up at 5 a.m. because of explosions. That was the sound of explosions that our air defense system worked on, the rockets pointed at Keeve. Actually, rockets were pointed all over the Ukraine, so, unfortunately, there's no safe place all over the country. So, right now, for seven days, they are trying to enter the city without no success. But, besides that, they are destroying all the cities in our suburbs and other cities like Cherniv, Kharkiv, almost completely destroyed.

And I should say that it's a very rare city with more than a thousand years of history with a lot of cultural objects. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that, and that is, you know, the Russians, of course, and their propaganda machine are saying we're not hitting civilian areas, we're not hitting museums and theater and things like that. You're in the arts. I mean, you've got a recording studio, a well-known recording studio called Crystal Sound in Ukraine and do international audio products all over the world. When you're looking at what's happening in the cities that you're in, are these areas being hit?

Yes. Last night, one big explosion happened in a district near my studio. Actually, I even don't know if it's still there. So, I live on the other side of the city and it's dangerous to travel all over the city. The city is clear of Russian militaries, but there's always an air warning system that works every 20 minutes, so most of the people are hiding in shelters right now. I want to ask you about the humanitarian situation, even in your situation, for people who have stayed in the capital city as it's kind of being encircled, the power seems to be on.

You're able to join us by Skype and that's amazing that you're able to do that right now, and I appreciate you so much taking the time out of your day. I know that you've been up since early in the morning with these warnings, but food, basic resources, are those still available to the people? Is it limited and running out? So far, it's okay. I won't tell you all the situation because it's like a secret information for the enemy. Well, we are not surrounded yet and that's a good thing. So, they're trying to get us in a circle, but unsuccessfully by this moment. So, we are good, we are ready to defend our city, and there's no possibility for them to enter with troops or tanks.

The only thing they can do, they can just destroy this city like they did with Kharkiv and Chernihiv. Serge, you're a performer. You just were here in the United States just months ago. I saw you in Nashville last year, or year before last.

I'm of course keeping up with your team. Let me ask you this. I mean, a lot of people your age are taking up arms in military deployments. Has that happened in your area yet?

Yes, of course. Actually, when it just started, all the people of Ukraine, it's more than 45 million people, they gathered and decided what to do. So, there's a big line to enter the military forces right now.

So, even if I wish to go and fight right now, I will have to wait till my line will be. What is the message, Serge, you have for the rest of the world? We're broadcast all over the world. What is the message for the rest of the world right now? Well, the main message, you know, yesterday, last night, they tried to capture the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, in Zaporizhia.

And the main thing that they started shelling it with artillery and tanks and heavy armed weapons. And that's ridiculously dangerous. You know, we had Chernobyl in 1986 and that was a disaster for all over the world. And this power plant is seven times bigger than Chernobyl. And there was a fire yesterday and they didn't let the firefighters to deal with that.

Fortunately, we convinced them to do this. And during last days, all their attacks mostly on civil districts, on schools, children got a lot of civils dying. So, the main thing, we don't understand what they call this. They're just trying to destroy everything and what? So, it's very dangerous. There is no logic in what they're doing right now. So, this should be stopped immediately and the whole world needs to know about it.

It's very dangerous. Serge, we're going to have you on again next week if this conflict continues. We're thinking about you, praying for you. And please let your friends know that the United States, we're doing everything we can, everything we can think of.

We appreciate it. Andy, it was very important what Serge said. They're targeting civilian areas. That's a war crime.

It absolutely is. One of the things that is a cardinal principle of international law is that in time of conflict and war, you do not target civilian populations. You do not target civilian places of dwelling and so forth and the attacking of civilians and the harm that is being caused to the children. That's what really gets me is to see the children suffering the way they are and the civilians being caught in the crossfire is in fact criminal activity, however you classify it.

It's a crime against humanity to do this to little children and to get them caught up in a war, senseless aggression war on the pretext of some nonsense involving genocide that never existed. And I think it's a horrible thing and I'm very much in solidarity with Serge. He speaks excellent English by the way. I'm very proud to be in solidarity with him.

Alright folks, we come back. Second half hour coming up and we've got a lot more. Johnny Daniels, live reporter from Poland. He's assisting refugees, even has resettled some of the refugees already into Israel. He's a great organization that has shifted from its traditional humanitarian work to dealing with the refugees. And then Rick Grenell, joining us live from Serbia.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. I'm talking about freedom. I'm talking about freedom.

We will fight for the right to live in freedom. Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever, this is Sekulow. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. All right, welcome back to Sekulow. And folks, again, a packed show in today. If you want to try to get a call, you can at 1-800-684-3110.

We can try to take some of those in this second half hour of the broadcast at 1-800-684-3110. We're already joined by Senator Lindsey Graham, who called for the Russian people to take out Putin. And that call, again, a lot of controversy, but it's also a lot of discussion. There's a lot of support for it, too, on the left and the right, because it's likely the quickest way to end this conflict. If the Russian people rose up and did that, or his generals or top advisors, they're not going to continue this war. That would be an end to this war in Ukraine. We've got the live report from Kiev, so if you missed that, you want to go back to the broadcast. We've got more live reports coming from this region of the world. Next up, from Poland, which is dealing with most of the refugees right now who are coming in through western Ukraine. Our friend Johnny Daniels has a great organization there called From the Depths that works on connecting the Jewish history in Poland and a lot of the righteous among the nations, those Gentile Poles who saved and hid Jews during the Holocaust. Now his work's shifting to assisting these refugees, and even some, which I want to ask about, are already on the path to be resettled in Israel because of his connections there. He used to work for the Israeli government, but now living in Poland. And then we'll be joined by Rick Renell.

He's joining us from Serbia to give, again, his update as a former acting director of national intelligence about where things currently stand in this conflict. If you're watching on any of our social media platforms, let me encourage you, if you're on Facebook, we of course encourage Rumble. If you're on Rumble, share it with your friends. If you're on Facebook, share it with your friends.

YouTube, whatever social media platform, ACLJ.org, share it with your friends so we get more people involved in the conversation. There's one thing that we haven't talked about much, and that was there was an attack on a nuclear reactor last night by the Russians. This was intentional. Serge mentioned it briefly in his report from Ukraine. There are serious issues with this, not the least of which is the impact that something like that could happen if you were to have some kind of nuclear meltdown or destruction of these radioactive nuclear. It's the largest nuclear plant, Andy, in Europe.

It is, it is. This is a facility that was damaged. The reactor itself, I understand, was undamaged, but a building next to it was damaged. The Russians have assumed control of the plant. The Ukrainians are operating it under gunpoint from the Russians.

That's right, Jay. So you look at this, and then Serge also said, Andy, that they targeted, he's there in Ukraine. They are targeting civilian areas. This is the thing that distresses me so much.

You say it to me every night when you're watching. I say it's the children that are bothering me, being harmed the way they are. When I saw these children who were evacuated from a cancer ward, and this little boy who had lost all his hair because of the chemotherapy, shivering underneath the city of Kiev in one of those subway stations. What did they do to deserve this? Why the children?

Why the children yet again? And not only that, I want to say, because being a historian, the historical sites that are being bombed and battered to the ground, the Holocaust Memorial that was being bombed, I think that may have been a targeted bombing, Jay, to prove a point on the part of Putin. But these historical sites that are being destroyed randomly, this is a horrible thing to have happening in the 21st century, and I agree with everything that Senator Graham said. I find this reprehensible conduct absolutely reprehensible. Folks, we encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ and ACLJ.org. This broadcast just shows a great way to show you the connections we have all over the world with people that we work with, people who work for us, people who are part of our team like Rick Rinnell, people that we just have connections with because of all the different work the ACLJ and our international affiliates do.

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Request your free copy of Mission Life today online at ACLJ.org slash gift. I'm joined right now by a great friend of ours, Johnny Daniels. He's been in this studio with us before, talking about his organization from the depths. He's been in our studios in Washington, D.C. before, talking about the great work that they do with the righteous among the nations. We worked with him in Israel.

The righteous Gentiles who helped Jews during the Holocaust across Eastern Europe and where these concentration camps were set up by the Nazis. And that includes Ukraine, where Johnny's organization is from the depths.org. Johnny's in Poland. And of course, you know, folks, Poland is dealing with the refugee wave.

And I just wanted to get him on. Johnny wanted to just explain what it has been like in Poland as an organization that's kind of shifted some of your focus to help these refugees. Yeah.

Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I mean, this has been one of the most shocking weeks of my life. I mean, it's kind of images that none of us would ever imagine to truly see in today's day and age. You're seeing hundreds of thousands of people escaping, running, mothers carrying children in their arms with no pushes, no bags, people leaving their whole lives behind just to try and stay safe and stay alive. And it's really shocking. It's tremendously sad and difficult.

It's one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. You have tried, Johnny, even, I saw this on your social media, and I thought just to explain to people that it's unique because you've got connections used to work with the Israeli government. In the Israeli government, you're now living in Poland, but you're an Israeli dual citizen. You have actually started to assist some of these families in relocation to Israel.

Yeah. Well, this is, you know, I'm a pretty proud Jew, but I think during this time I've been even prouder. I've been even prouder of my country.

And what we've seen has just been truly amazing. Ukraine was home to a not small Jewish community of maybe up to about 150,000 people. People who were Jewish, but Ukrainian Jewish. Now, when these people left, as a Jew, they have the right to move to the state of Israel. So Israel took upon itself to take any citizen who wants to and who has the right or opportunity to move to Israel and has basically plucked them out and helped them and relocated them to Israel, where they're taking them and giving them basically a new life, a life that's safer and better for them. And, you know, I've been sort of involved with these people as well.

Just yesterday, you know, I took a young mother and her one year old son and, you know, bought them a fresh pair of clothes because they didn't have any. It's truly tremendously sad. But again, these are the people who are escaping. You know, the people who have stayed, it is much worse. Kiev, the capital city, is virtually under siege right now.

You can't get bread. You know, people are literally starting to starve. You know, Joni, I think about the law of return that allows Jews from anywhere in the globe to come to Israel. That happens usually during times of crisis and in Ukraine right now because of the Russian move by Vladimir Putin to attack unprovoked in Ukraine.

He has created this crisis, so it's great that some can utilize the law of return and get to Israel. Others are going to be making their homes at least temporarily in Poland. What is the sense, Joni, that you're hearing from Poles as to their concern about this encroachment by Russia onto Ukraine than bordering right on Poland?

I mean, I'm pretty kind of realistic. My personal opinion and view is that it's kind of going to end with that. Putin's clearly insane, but I don't think it's so crazy to pick a fight with Poland and NATO. Poland obviously being a major NATO player, so I don't consider that's going to happen. However, there is tremendous fear in Poland.

Tremendous. Normal people are getting very worried. I went to the bank yesterday to try and take out cash, and the cash machines were all empty.

It's been like that for a week. People are very scared. People are thinking of moving bank accounts to different countries.

People are getting go bags ready. People are really worried. Even with this, no one really knows exactly what happened yesterday with this nuclear plant, but it brought huge fear in Poland. What we do know, Joni, is that the nuclear plant is now under the control of the Russians. The Ukrainian scientists are running it at gunpoint. Colonel Westmith is joining us here in our studio. Colonel, you've just written a piece called Ukraine, Russia, and the dangers of a wider war.

Joni's in, obviously he's in Poland, so I was just talking with him about this. What are the risks of a wider war here? Well, the disconcerting thing about it is that we don't really know.

We just know that the risk is wider. The United Nations and NATO, they were established to prevent the very kind of thing the world is witnessing, and yet the fact is, Jay, the nightmare of war in Europe has returned even as we are sitting here, and we do not know how it's going to end. There's the potential for other nations to be drawn in, either accidentally or intentionally, and war has an inherent unpredictability built into it, and the thing about Vladimir Putin, and I appreciate Joni's remarks, because we literally have over a million refugees moving around Europe now because of Vladimir Putin.

He is evil, and he is unstable, but evil and unstable people rarely see themselves as evil and unstable, and that gives this unpredictability to this. You know, Joni, one thing people are seeing, and I think it was important to point out, too, how this is affecting Poland. I mean, a run on the banks, tough to get cash, people thinking about moving their bank accounts, and you're in a country that is taking in the bulk of those refugees that we just talked about. The world is seeing the Polish people step up, organizations like Your Step Up. I put in our live video chats, we've got the link to your organization so people can support your work directly at From The Depths.

It's also on our screen, fromthedepts.org. But again, it talks about even the effect, you've got these elderly righteous and their families who are stuck in Ukraine, and I know Jerusalem posted a story about your work trying to get supplies to them, but also it does seem like there's a crisis brewing in Poland, invasion or not. I don't think that's where Putin goes. I think you're right about that. There's places like Moldova and other places I think are more concerned right now, but it is causing a crisis, a humanitarian crisis. Poland is trying to take in all these refugees, but it's becoming difficult on the citizens as well, just to go about their daily life and to help people.

That's right, Jay. This is kind of a concern. One of the things that I'm trying to do with the organization, and even with the money that we raise, is to make sure that we have in reserve. Honestly, right now people have been amazing, and society really steps forward and people are helping and taking people into their homes and providing food and shelter and care when they can. But just from where I am right now, it's enough to go to a central bus station, and there are thousands of people who are laying on the floor, women, children, grandparents, with nothing but the clothes on their back.

With all of this being said, the help is there right now. However, people are going to get tired of this situation quite soon. This is the kind of worry.

What happens in a month? Because the likelihood is, unfortunately, that it doesn't go the way the wall that we necessarily want it to go. The chances of Ukraine remaining how it did beforehand, it's not going to be like that. Foreign investors are going to run out of the country. They already have, but they're not going to be coming back because it's going to be unstable even if Ukraine wouldn't. But if it doesn't, a lot of these people won't want to go back, and that puts a huge pressure on civil society and also state support. Again, these are people coming with absolutely nothing, and a lot of women and children, don't forget that if you're a man from the age of 18 to 60, you can't leave the country. You have to stay and fight. And if, God forbid, men are lost, then you're sort of left with women and children as the breadwinners. It's very, very difficult to make a living.

And so there's a lot of unknowns here. It's a pretty scary time. Jonny, we appreciate it. Yeah, Jonny, I appreciate you joining us. We were talking through Instagram last night, and it's past 7. It's almost 7.45 p.m. where Jonny is in Poland, but I want to encourage you folks to support his work.

It's from thedeps.org. It's in the chats online as well, so you can see that there. Jonny, I truly appreciate you joining us, taking that time to join us. So while you're in the midst of helping everybody you can, I mean, he's seen social media, people are Jewish, people are not Jewish, but even I thought it was just unique that Jonny was able to coordinate already the movement of Ukrainian Jews who had fled, already being relocated in Israel. I think it's great. Let's stay live during the break here because I want to go over a couple things with Wes Smith to talk about before we're joined by Rick Grenell coming up. So if you're on any of our social media platforms right now, share it with your friends, radio audience.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. Alright folks, so today we've been joined by U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, who has called for the removal by the Russian people of Vladimir Putin to put an end to the conflict in Ukraine. He's made it clear, the Russian people doing this, it's not about Americans sending assassins over or something like that, and we had him on. We got a live report from Kyiv from a musician, a friend of ours, who is there in the capital city.

A well-known musician. His bandmates are also Russian. It just shows you the nature of this conflict and how tough it's getting in the capital city. We're joined by Johnny Daniels in Poland. He's assisting the refugees there and focusing on some Jewish refugees who are being resettled already into Israel. There are some positive stories out of this refugee crisis, but he said it is mounting as we speak. And now Rick Renell joining us live from Serbia. He is our senior advisor for foreign policy and national security.

And Rick, I just want to go to you right now. Where do you see this as it stands? It feels like that second wave of this Russian aggression is taking hold in Ukraine, and it feels like it's just a matter of time. Up to Putin as long as he's in control until the capital city falls.

Well, I think you're right. First of all, greetings from Belgrade, Serbia. I was in earlier this week in Kirana, Albania. And this is obviously a region that has experienced quite a bit of war. The Balkans have had their fair share of conflict and war over the last couple of decades. And I think the reality is that Europe and all of the surrounding areas of Ukraine understand that this is a crisis of epic proportion. And I think Americans need to understand that the Europeans are completely in turmoil here. Countries are trying to figure out what's next. They're seeing President Putin and his focus on taking Ukraine. And I have to tell you, Jordan, I fear for Zelensky's life. I think that President Putin is focused on taking over and removing anyone that stands in his way. I see that evident. And what we have to be able to do is support the Ukrainians in every possible way and certainly prepare our European allies in every possible way.

Rick, this is Jay. When we say support them in every possible way, what does that actually mean? What concrete actions need to be taken? I still don't understand why we don't have sanctions on the Russian energy, but those sanctions are not in place.

But what are the concrete things that need to be done right now? It's such a great question. I think that this is where we are with even the conservative movement and our friends on the other side of the aisle are having the same conversation. What does that mean?

What does it mean? How far do we go? My opinion is that for Ukraine that we need to, at this current moment, do everything we can on a humanitarian level. Certainly, we can push the UN to do more. We can personally do more. The Americans really, our whole system is to rise up and give money. Personally, I've had somebody reach out to me and say, what's the best charity in Ukraine?

My heart is breaking. I want to do something. So Americans respond. I think from a diplomatic standpoint, you're right. We need to be really focused on the peaceful sanctions portion of this rather than just respond with military options.

I reject the idea of doing a no-fly zone that puts us in a conflict with Russia. I do think we can sell arms. We should have been selling arms to the Ukrainians, I would say a year ago, even before then. Now we're going to have to look and see what's happening in some of the other former satellite Soviet countries and see what can be done. I think we can sell our military equipment, let them fight. I'm encouraged that the Ukrainians are fighting, unlike a lot of what we've seen with the Afghans and the Iraqis, actually. I want to go to Colonel Smith on this quickly because Rick was mentioning the military aspect of this. We have set up a deconflicting situation room, basically, with the Russians directly.

What does that mean? It means that in shared airspace around the area that we communicate with each other to avoid conflicts, unintended conflicts like that. As General Stoltenberg stated yesterday, Rick, U.S. Air Force pilots are flying missions 24-7 with some of our allies in NATO. The NATO angle here is a real one. We need to obviously be prepared if there's ever an attack on any NATO country. We're watching Poland, I think, very carefully here, but we need to be prepared for that next phase. I think Ukraine, as a non-NATO member, we have a different policy. When the conflict moves to a NATO member, we have a treaty obligation and I think we must react quickly. I hope that the Biden team is ready and planning for that possible phase, too. Certainly here in Europe, I can tell you that people think this is not going away, that this is not ending.

They sense that something has happened with President Putin and that he is hell-bent on taking Ukraine. Rick, we had on Senator Graham earlier and he talked about a bill he's co-sponsoring with Senator Manchin, so bipartisan support. He said if the vote was allowed right now in the U.S. Senate, 75 U.S. Senators would vote to open up all that we need to do for energy in the U.S. to get back on the path to energy independence, which would affect the futures forecast, which would affect the price of the pump for Americans, and again, it would isolate, stop any import of Russian gas and oil. The holdup is the Democrat leadership and the Biden administration, which to me is almost sickening because you've got that kind of bipartisan support to unleash American power. Look, if you have 75 Senators that will sign something that says let's unleash America's energy power, my first reaction is to say take those 25 Senators that are against it and throw them out of office immediately. This is ridiculous to think that anyone would say that we should be beholden to Russia or Middle East oil.

What are they thinking? Where are we going to get our energy from? We've got to start saying to these people that it doesn't make sense to put one arm behind our back and not have full energy independence. We had full energy independence under Donald Trump. We were able to do it with a renewable clean energy like liquid natural gas. By the way, I like to remind people that the Obama administration and very far left Democrats told us for a decade that fracking was bad. We could have been doing liquid natural gas 10 years before we did. We could have been off Middle East oil and being an energy exporter 10 years before we actually did if we would have done the science on fracking. Fracking is safe. This is science.

You want to talk about honoring science and listening to science. Fracking is safe and it took the Obama administration way too long to come to that conclusion. Rick, I appreciate you joining us this week from both Albania and now Serbia to give your expertise on this situation as a former acting director of national intelligence. And Germany plays such a important role here. They're opening up their coal mines now.

They're going back to coal. The Green Party in Germany because they said they had to make a pragmatic decision and not just one about their policies. Which is certainly interesting. Well folks, support the work of the American Center for Law and Justice. We're in a matching challenge. You saw the breadth just today of the scope of the ACLJ and our reach globally. ACLJ.org.

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