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The IRS wants your biometric information. They will soon require you to submit a "selfie" for facial recognition before they allow you to access their basic tax-filing tools. We've already seen enormous pushback since the announcement and for good reason. Jay, Logan, and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss exactly why they're worried about this move. This and more today on Sekulow .

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Choose ministration pushes for IRS facial recognition in human form and now is what I hear from you Sharon's most common call 1-800-684-3115 wants to improve your experience so they're proposing you refer this one is when I think I have to say this is an agency that still uses fax machines and will not do email. They are now proposing facial recognition, biometric database for you to get into your accounts to determine what the status of your tax refund is your tax return review whatever it might be. So this is taking place and the IRS is saying, well, this will improve the customer support. Now I will tell you right left and center are objecting to this and there objecting to this incredible way semi ways that we've never seen happen before because the danger here is biometric data given to the Internal Revenue Service. I would think would be the least favorite least agency you want to see a habit. There are so many problems with this jamming start with the standpoint that nobody trust the IRS to contain this kind of private information. You certainly don't want a third-party entity to do this and Jay were to go down the list of proms. I know this will I just give you the pushback very briefly that's already coming from capital and I can give you any of the Republicans. Many give you three of the Democrats that are saying this is a terrible idea. Sen. Ron Wyden says he's very disturbed Sen. Jeff Laura Merkley said it's very disturbing and maybe most interesting to me.

J a Congressman Ted Lou says this is a very very to very very very bad idea. It won't look coming back to the matter is this is an agency that's still as I said, using the fax machine to communicate with them.

They have a backlog on refunds right now. They can even get this data forward to give the IRS biometric data when they are still using a fax machine. I think shows you where this could go and that's why you're seeing everybody right left and center. In fact, a group called electronic privacy information that are big with the deals with electronic privacy said this I said they said I think any plan that inserts a private intermediary into the system for assessing critical information repenting benefit from a government agency warrants a lot of scrutiny. That's because it's not just the IRS. They are doing this with third-party marketing and into the third party because the Irish should not be in the business of doing this, but it does raise a host of security issues and you know I was saying. Of the people that we use of the conspiracy theories that are out there. Logan right into it. Yeah, I think the main problem about this is this the IRS it really is less to do with the concept of facial recognition. A lot of people have facial recognition of the phones.

A lot of people have certain areas of the country in certain areas of the world which is commonplace now for security to login to do that type of exam your fingerprint. The main concern is its a department that has shown incredible abuse showed incredible problems like you said. I tried to do with them in the last year and you get responses or returns because I asked you to work in this archaic system so that were jumping as you said the fax machine and find our phone weights to now facial recognition to login and it goes up a lot of red flags. Is it mainly due to the nature of the department as less to do.

We can with the technology and more to do with the fact that no one is willing to trust the IRS to be able to implement this and it not corroborate the age of the agency said it emphasizes that taxpayers can still file or pay taxes without submitting this with a said submitting a selfie. This is what the irises come to himself or the best but the idea that the IRS will be controlling.

This will only take your phone calls on this 1-800-684-3110 how you feel about that.

Yet they just said they wanted to become a common real quick but you just put it into the. The IRS promise not to target again. Logan targeted yet I think that's a concern. People a lot of issues with the IRS for very good reason. Give us a call tree got a lot to say about this one 806 and the bar 31 to I know the parts with this question. Are you comfortable with the iris.

I'm your biometric data, including your facial recognition access to your tax call one 800 664 31 to the challenges facing Americans for substantial time when our Valley freedom sword constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice on the frontlines protecting your freedoms defending your rights in court in Congress and in the public arena and exceptional track record of success.

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Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ God where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable voice is. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn, called mission will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the street and what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership is empowering the right question mission in life today online/secular Jay Sekulow as well as what Smith got that bit of remote a lot of comments are coming in a lot of calls to the situation that's unfolding where the IRS is now set hey take a selfie to file your tax return. Not yet.

Yeah that's coming but I bet but they're not there yet. They want to put in the super Chet said that she did her online account. The IRS and that one of the requirements was for her to take selfie with that is if she's access. That is 100%.

Karen, you are effective and is not enough. Yeah, this is this is where it's going. Because if you want to get into your account which your accountant wants to do their thing. Now you have to use facial recognition software now this is an agency that is still using fax machines to communicate will not use email that I want you to understand what were dealing with peers, and on an agency level. That's number one number two this is what they said Wes.

The irises constantly in certain ways to improve. Taxpayers experience and are looking into alternatives to make these alternatives included courses facial recognition software so they just want to increase the taxpayer experience. Yeah, how many people have had a good experience with ERS. You know you calling her on the phone for hours after I had this happen to be just trying to get an answer to a question and depending on who you get each time you call, you get a different answer from those people as well put in the chat for us here know Ronald Reagan said the 10 most frightening words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you so you we should be afraid.

The IRS is broken, the trust of the American people over and over again. The technology technology is just a part of society and we have a lot of lot eccentric situation you talk about IDs. A lot of talk in a different way. I do people. This is now the new way to show you what were you showing ID to vote but you gotta show biometric ID not of tape to get your tax information.

Yeah exactly think the main concern is it the tech tech is there and exist, it works just fine. Security is a big part of it and the fact like you said the IRS is broken. The trust of the American people over and over and over and over and over that there's another point of this and then you and I been talk about this and that is where does this end up at the end of the day. Where does it go and that's the problem with all of this is they're saying right now. Right now you don't have a selfie to get into your body return but to get your account to do sure it's graduated access and it's a slippery slope J you won't have to have this technology into the summer, and by the way. Even then, you have access to certain tools Outlook J wheat we seen this time and time and time again over the decades. It's a foothold for bureaucracy and eventually it will be a requirement. Others required for everything. I would Logan the technology is probably a good thing that I can't say this clearly enough, the IRS cannot be trusted with this technology of this information and here's why Jake we said it quickly. At the end of the last segment.

They promised they wouldn't target Americans when we caught them doing it and got a court order against them, and what did they do a couple years later they started targeting Americans again delivered this way today there still targeting Americans.

So why would you give them access to this information will they have a court order. It says they cannot target based on their views or viewpoints in this within days of the binder ministration being sworn into office. What did they do. They started targeting people again based on their viewpoints that ridiculous IRS letter to the organization saying all by the way, here's what we want. Organist say you know D equals Republican G equals word of God I miss him. It was insane what they put. Frankly, and they started it, even though there was a court order so to trust this agency run into intergovernmental sharing of information they can't even respond to a phone call now you can't even get you can't email them. It is required that use fax machines another one biometric data like we all have some technologically savvy family members and grandparents and great-grandparents bags are well.

Can you imagine I feel for now the IRS customer service hotline to wait six hours now you have people calling him take selfies of themselves and upload the biometrics game… The reason you have seven new account because they're betting on the people who are the Accounts. Hopefully they don't have to do this work as I can imagine the onslaught of calls and have to receive about how to do take a selfie scan it in meat is it is a mess of globular phased out: we will watch before you go. The website will allow for goes directly to the person that we think is best.

They get back in touch with. That's just how society is moved. However, look if you try to call you can quality the most big companies anymore. It's just we've gone away from that we know with the IRS.

You can through the only way to get someone talk to.

Usually they know the answers that I can ask that you have no idea if that is a website which is all the really they can do is much more axis than you can.

But if that does get breached there's any problems. This is a major concern. It's just again. It was during this biometric data.

This the same Iris the confined emails when we sued them. They were missing, thousands of emails that mysteriously appeared six months later yeah I don't know the exact answers where the data would go or where it lives right now.

Sure their server spaces. This place is that it does existed. Obviously if we just say you're looking for photos of anybody online for the most part, most of us have photos of themselves on the Internet. Yes I know that's not a problem that is not a shock. There are ways to I could say I'm you just scan my photo the Apple algorithm. There their system they have for official defecation.

They should tell you if your twin not because it's not quite there to fully I'd necessarily complete or hold the phone up some space in it was a lot of different ways, whether sleeping to that also log if there IRS information is a lot away. If you think about that one is a lot of ways that you can get some information but with Apple that's that's again just there's a know what this one.

This could be a much more secure version, but with apples, they specifically say if you have a twin someone who is remarkably clear to you… Do you say they can't guarantee hundred percent that were taking calls 164 3110 center online Democrat Oregon said, I'm very disturbed that Americans may have to submit with facial recognition's system wait on hold for hours, or both, to express their personal data on the IRS website. While e-filing returns remains unaffected in pushing the IRS for greater transparency, Ted Lou, I don't like to quote Bible on this one. This is a very very bad idea by the IRS, Sen. Jeff Merkley from Oregon also.

This is very disturbing. Increase use of facial recognition technology slow site to a surveillance tape from a Democrat. Here's what Rick Scott Sen. from Republican Sen. from Florida had to say I heard from some people am I saying this and how I was, was get a refund, but I had to get on their I think of it like I had to be had and have facial recognition when this big brother and I like this the same Iris. I got hacked a few years ago and is in millions of millions of people personal data was was really soaked one should be doing this over to me. You know you know that is hacked, there's no confidentiality surprise Valley Biden probably has a Chinese company doing Sen. discussing here's here's the thing that is true west. The idea that this agency of all agencies would get the data that includes biometric data now is just frightening because the intra-agency sharing could be unreal here there there very little controls on this. You don't really know ultimately the IRS is going to do or how secure information is going to be with them and as I said earlier they broken the trust of the American people, especially with your obvious bias against Concerta groups and against religious people.

The other thing about facial recognition software is that it doesn't always work.

It is not flawless, and generally lease my experiences been that whenever use this kind of technology I have to consent to, but in this case, starting this summer you that's right. There's no consent like I use with my banking.

I have facial recognition software something I was willing to do here and say no no no in the summer and used the password you have to do is actually a lot more production for you that what the IRS is saying come the summer. No option.

You have to get biometric data. Less technical Benjamin Scully online for the idea that you are on the air, but hello, I thought of calling in today was to express concern about the plan. I'm right with you and think that it's very alarming.

The thing that made me think of right away was frankly China social credit score.

I think with the IRS wait to gearing up for something like that that make me very concerned. I think you're right. I don't know where this is going. I'm not blaming those that are traded, but the idea that this is going to quote constantly in certain ways to improve the taxpayer experience.

I think what Logan said is that is the main factor here and that is this agency all the agencies to get this data to the IRS is the last one on the list and backlinks. They simply on the list, the IRS has no business but with the static that you don't know where to go jaded. You simply can't be trusted, and you also don't know the third party is going to be there so the information just start spreading. But here's my concern with that jamming.

Great sound that you played from Democrat Senators. But here's the problem.

Every time a major piece of legislation comes forward.

Think build back better think the election bills think those snooping provisions. We talked about earlier in the year. Every bill that comes forward J there's an effort to give the IRS more prep more power. So those are great soundbites. They need to go to the floor where they do their job and quit putting these provisions in bills that are advancing your hundred percent like we got a great call coming among them take it after the break from Pam CPA in North Carolina and I thought about the same thing families give me a heads up. I thought the same thing how the world is is actually going to work like Logan said you can get people made is not impossible get other people place know there's a lot of ways you can guess it's something the security to understand that it is your faith. You control it. There are ways around it. Also, the IRS is normally dealing with often on taxpayer search of his father intact.

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The record I'll be joining the former director of national intelligence will be interesting things about the IRS having your biometric data center counseling take some calls and we outline open actually shockingly 1-800-684-3110 will take from vocals as go and start let's go to Pam line 3 or prepared tax situation will attack APA and accountant preparing taxes for their client.

And I said the same thing radio me because I'm tax whereby training. Oftentimes your tax return data or tax return information is being reviewed by your accountant who needs access to your with a call if your tax transcript which is the information on this and what the IRS is saying now is will starting in the summer that's can be required with facial recognition software. So how does then your tax agent you file a form 2848 power of attorney form. Oftentimes out with your accountant so they can communicate with the IRS. So how in the world. Does this exist and happen to get taxpayer information from you that your accountant needs work there negotiating with the IRS requires facial recognition software date.

Again, this is an agency.

Pam cannot answer a phone call right now they are still requiring that when we respond to them on behalf of the client.

Logan they wanted by facsimile a fax remember fax machines in the 80s or 90s track that down you last year. It's not easy and then and then responded that we got you the silver just a stack of paper somewhere when you say that the agents are working from home so they have the biometric data. Working from home access that I guess they can access your account without biometric data can't be put on how that's all secured and it sort of like you know you call in, the agent is nothing good about this proposal, giving the Internal Revenue Service.

They said don't worry right now to file your tax return. This is what they said this these things they write. Don't worry right now you don't have to take a selfie for the time being. You don't know there's an old Middle Eastern adage about an in a plastic government note gradually getting more more control in your life that if you allow the camel to stick his nose under the tent. Eventually the cam was sleeping with your wife and kids in the tent with you. This just another way of the government creeping into your life with information that we have no guarantee they can safeguard the information you consume like you can assume they can't stay Internal Revenue Service will we filed a federal lawsuit with and really went right, to warrant who has pretty much asked the question that Galati is in her comments a lot so hard you're on there might call that Democrat biometric.

They don't want voter ID out of that figure refers only say this, and I normally am not defending the Democratic senators in constant but they are also outraged about this with the IRS. You race a really great point, they do not want the left does not want voter identification for you to go exercise her constitutional right to vote what they want in their incursions by ministration discouraging the Internal Revenue Service develop a software program that requires biometric facial recognition for you to get your taxpayer information, but to vote. They want you to just mail it in with no security check well and every state the requires that will actually give you a photo ID for free below.I actually think Jake I can answer the callers question directly. Why the double standard why the hypocrisy J it's because the government actually wants this information they want to control the database that is created by this. That's the entire reason for the hypocrisy here. You were trying to figure out the angle to find out about this, we may we may initiate up supreme of information act litigation to find out who came up with this great idea. We do a lot of calls coming in 800 684 31 tell is going to take another will mark in Connecticut by one and Mark oh I deeply confirm that we are placing taxpaying US under stricter and more intrusive security checks that we do for people entering our country illegally. Country gives more deference violating the law law, but because the RS is the mark. Don't worry, because they're constantly in search of ways to improve the taxpayer experience so you know biometric data supposedly is good to do that. But of course everything you just said is correct when there's the boating situation which we talked about where this the idea that the IRS can be trusted as an agency to do this is outrageous not use prime concern from a practical standpoint, the way it works with the Internal Revenue Service. As we said this earlier. Understand the technology they're using. They said that their computers were like, from the 1980s. They want you billions of dollars of revenue, but are also requiring their implementing this requirement that you have a biometric face light dictation recognition to get into your own account at the IRS. I understand security which is anybody listening his broadcast. If you do call me and tell me trust the IRS to have this information because frankly I don't know you had. I'm sure in the military you have facial recognition issues clearance those kind of thing. This is doing this for the entire taxpayer populace of the United States a very different virtually every American in you said something moment go with which I agree with who came up with this idea is anyone other than some bureaucrat at the RS really think that this is a good idea and here's the here's the real testament to what's going on here, not even left-wing progressives think this is a good idea and that is really saying something on me know you got all these groups play for the future.

Call me on the RS stop using facial verification on its website and for government agencies to not do that. You got is that members of the Democratic Party coming up this Department of the treasury is now to reassess the situation. Now they will only reassess the situation, then let's be blunt here because they got caught and now the pressure including the pressure from the American Center for Law and Justice is on top of the situation now you color me skeptical J that to me this is exactly like the snooping provision. We talked about in and build back better where they were to get access to every American's checking account based on a $600 a month a level of transactions through that it started to be pushed back when pressure came J it wasn't because they suddenly realized it was a bad idea. They think they changed course because we caught them on it and we push the money to me this is the same thing J they push the timeline back a little bit. They said you can still use your login ID for certain amount of time J they are going to use this to the extent that they are permitted to get away with it and have to keep bringing it up until it comes off the table. That's the only way these things go away. J. That's what were folks working again somewhere on top assist wristbands on top of the office of government affairs were to fight back on this where to do this work for another 30 minutes Rick Nelson to join us for the last two segments, former director of national intelligence to be fascinating get his take on this whole situation and working to continue take both of these phone calls of a great are you concerned that the IRS wants facial recognition software for you to get into your own IRS information. The same agency that using fax machines will take phone calls on this also allowed calls up at 1-800-684-3110. If you don't get this on your local station were broadcasting live right now on Facebook.com/Jay Sekulow on the right ACLJ.org YouTube search Tracy OJ also broadcast live there right now. It's also archived that again.

Phone lines are open 164 3110 checkout ACLJ.org support the work of the ACLJ ACLJ on the frontlines of protecting your rights in court and converse on justice is on your side. If you're already a member not well this is the perfect time to stand with ACLJ.org where you can learn more about our life-changing, member today ACLJ keeping you informed and now is J secular ruckus errors is great news. Starting in June require information from the RS you have to have facial recognition software that the IRS is been amended.

Let me say that again the IRS of all agencies that we sued in federal court because of their targeting of conservatives and Christian organizations is now saying that effective in June. If you want your taxpayer information.

Nothing tax return your taxpayer information which is your records and information that they have, but they do require a biometric scan of your face before you have access to your records that raise all submissions including leisure accounting engaged with the IRS and the situation. This is an agency that is using fax machines in the year 2022 fax machines and they will take eight hours to and 68 hours to answer a phone call, most of which they get wrong because they can't even give you the data they want to now working to give them facial recognition software and they're going to have facial recognition for you an American citizen to get in this and raise them in and you got the right left and center pushing back on this number taken your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110.

I really want to hear from you on this and fan is is got our team working on this already in Washington because man the IRS is getting under a lot of pressure now because you got three Democrats, Jeff Merkley, Ted Lou Ron Wyden concerned about this. He got Sen. Rick Scott from Florida concerned about this and now they're getting push back when they get pushback they start to react when we got really push them to react reactors. This is a no go. Yeah they got caught J no elected officials are running from the hill below. Gordon have to hold their feet to the fire here until the regulation is actually pulled back before the agency changes their mind. Think about this. J reportedly the contract for this particular provision is $85 million now look that that's literally pennies compared to the 80 billion we were talking about and build back better or the 500 million that they wanted to give to the DOJ, but J.

Think about if they took any amount of that money and actually put it into either improving systems or adding more people to process our tax returns are filed by the American people back in the envelope math your $85 million is by far the lowest number. I just threw out there that could hire 1200 processors at $70,000 year user for that J because they get to the Cayman answer a fax is going to take a phone call 800-684-3110 Rick Reynolds joining us for the next assignment clarify for those who are listening and will answer a fax because required to fax to fax data respond to it.

Yet they say you must do this by facsimile and then they don't respond to the facsimile that is that you think is that they make a couple calls, inference professionals on this is good. Chris is Kelly California. Unlike to Christiania Chris rolling places before the IRS right that I've been doing for 45 years and I've been doing representation for about that long and I agree with you 100%. The problem that I'm concerned about is your prior caller was talking about what we as professionals have to do and they are going to require the facial recognition of beginning in June as well, but something else that's been happening is when we call on behalf of the client. Now we Sampley simply cannot give our cast number which I know you know what that is and we can't just give RP can we have to give our Social Security number. Now in her home address and her date of birth. This is pretty technology and current so they think they're jumping from from a fax, like you said you assured your address to facial recognition software. And we know they don't have the capability of doing my concern is that the enrolled agents, CPAs and others have a difficult time getting this taxpayer information that they need for their taxpayer client and your right you will get responses. Now we people or officer waiting for refunds now per year but haven't gotten you are getting no response. That's the problem. Rick Nelson enjoyed his next former director that we have a couple months a couple weeks ago they were saying KP prepared for 2022 nightmares and forgetting a text are really at 2022. There already safe to be a disaster equal to what 2021 was I wouldn't take your calls will be with Rick Cornell, number one 800 684 31 tenants 1-800-684-8110 support the work of the ACLJ you stay on top of this ACLJ.org challenges facing Americans constitutional rights are under attack more important than ever to stay with the American Center for Law and Justice frontlines checking your freedoms and rights in court in Congress and the public, and exceptional track record of success. But here's the bottom line we could not do more work without your support, we remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms that remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. You are already a member. Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable when voice is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice defend the right to life, we've created a free publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn will show you how you personally. Publication includes all major ACLJ fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later, when Obama care means many ways your membership is powering the right mission life today online/good news were here to help me.

That's kind of the motto that the IRS is operating under and they want to improve the customer experience so they can require biometric data for you to get information on your taxes, the status of your accounts. Now this is an agency.

As I said that. Still using a facsimile machines.

And then when you send them a fax which of you have one you can find it with your breast as representing clients with we do. They don't respond to the knowledge that God so here's the problem with all of this.

This is why the ACLJ exists to let the government especially this agency get control of this has me very, very concerned with this somebody that we know even more than that. Our team here and that is part of our team. Of course, as Rick Cornell because he was a former director of national intelligence, and Rick were all for security and everybody want security, but the idea that the Internal Revenue Service noted for targeting taxpayers based on their ideological viewpoints were the religious faith would be given a requirement now to taxpayers effective June. You have to have biometric data. Your facial scans is what you get into your cows not be returns yet, but this other data is raising right left and center one time in our country.

Politically unified. This year, left right and center are playing foul ball here.

I think the headline is that the Biden administration is admitting that IDs are important for security. Think about that. Where else do we need IDs may be voting booth maybe elections.

But when the buying team is telling Americans that you have to have a facial recognition in order to deal with the IRS or get pertinent information from the IRS because it's the only secure way lies the Biden ministration against showing an ID in order to vote. Look to any other problem with this is I just don't see this as a problem for the IRS that people are trying to break into the system and pretend there's somebody else in order to pay somebody else's taxes. That's what that's what you're looking at taxpayer data when they talk about the tax transcript. That's what you're following paintings. It's the taxes you pay your taxes that a bit with Albert go at your absolutely right.

Why would they need. The IRS is so concerned that other people want to pay my taxes and pretend to be me. That's one agency I'd say pretend to be Rick Cornell and take over and pay my taxes.

The problem with with all of this. Rick, you mentioned the voting booth. The situation quickly. Want note no identification there. They were judgmental about no check but your taxpayer information they want you to give you an American citizen, Rick Cornell to do facial recognition to get access to your taxpayer information as if what you said something to really pay your bill.

Let me give you another one. They're saying right now we want you to understand this is coming from the Internal Revenue Service.

I'm laughing folks because it's so unbelievable. This is a course the ACLJ we probably massive and one massive lawsuit against the IRS saying we want to emphasize this is the Ira spokesperson for the bottom and we want to emphasize the taxpayers can still pay her father turns without submitting a selfie they actually have said that in a statement right now you have to submit a selfie in order to do this not what planet are they living in, and this is the agency I'm saying again. Still taking facsimiles you have to communicate with them by fax think that everybody outside of Washington knows that this entire city. The entire government is totally inconsistent. They'll say anything.

Only in Washington DC do things make sense to the rest of us.

They don't make sense but I'm really struck J, I hate to go here but I'm really struck with how important is to give and support the ACLJ because I can tell you I've been a part of you know inside the government and and after you when I've been a part of the multilateral institutions and without having outside organizations that are free of you know government involvement without having organizations like the ACLJ to demand and push and use the law so effectively, like we do, we just don't have the accountability on the government.

You can't rely on our senators and congresspeople to hold the government accountable any longer. If you want to take action. If you are tired of what makes sense in Washington doesn't make sense of the rest of the world. I really say support the ACLJ because we got a team that just doesn't need approval from the government. We just go after it.

We point out the hypocrisy we use the media and that pressure of using the law and the legal angles in the media, angles, works does either Rick and I really appreciate you saying this and repair embedded into the conversation who questions our office in Washington DC because what Rick said is exactly correct and we got the IRS backpedaling a little bit right now but we gotta get a lot more. But then that's because the pressure is now on and we can exert a lot of external pressure litigation if necessary media. Of course this broadcast you working on Capitol Hill with your team to make sure this doesn't just this one slipped away if it didn't get picked up with the pressures on politically right now J but there's only one way to keep that pressure up and it's what Rick just alluded to those of us that have the institutional experience in the battle scars from having away from her against the IRS before and by the way, did not just wage war one victories literally current law right now because of her government affairs work is that the IRS cannot target Americans on their political viewpoints. It's called the Lois Lerner rural and then on the litigation side. The current status right now is that there is a consent to Greek decree that binds the IRS to that standard. So Jake we've got those institutional scars.

We got the experience and we know what it takes that there is political pressure right now to, but I'm just here to tell you I look at the bill back better act and look at the election laws.

I look at the snooping provision that existed earlier that political pressure will not sustain unless groups like ours and all of our members keep the focus on. We have a petition upright and out ACLJ.org.

That is sets very clearly stop the Biden administration thyroxine find in your bank accounts, which will include all this and now you got it.

You can even get access to your own accounts. This is the hypocrisy of all of this and that petitions up right now ACLJ.org ACLJ.Argosy a picture to the right of the binder to stop by the IRS and spying on you and your breakouts visible put in your your first name last name email address and ZIP Code.

It goes to be added were trying to get to the let's try to get to 250,000 people here soon right at 865,000 is be a part of it right now you can do that again.

The conflict probably.

If you want your Facebook probably isn't right now. It will be penned and will make sure gets competent as well on YouTube give that's ACLJ.org we just updated that to include what's happening right now do that right now ACLJ.org. I want to rip what Rick last time just to say the importance of why that is so I just want to live so sign up and to to give us your voice because we usually have limited funds were really good with what we get. And we need to be able to hear from the public as to what is the outrage. What do you care about when we see the public responding sent in a common call-in give us that pressure because we can't do everything.

The priorities will bottle off when we see the public react and so you are very much a part of what we do.

I've been a part of the conversations and ACL data say should we say we go and submit a FOIA request or launch a legal campaign and I love how Jay is always saying look, let's be stingy here.

We can't do everything. Let's make sure that this is something that we can do and what the impact in those conversations are are no amazing because it really helps with the prioritization of what we can do. We can do everything we need to hear you as to what we should do appreciate that Rick calls in the second half. The second lesson was broadcasted 864 3110 is Rick and Rick's Tuesday was as Rick said, we do want to hear from you on the spokes in your reaction to the Cyrus move for facial recognition to get to your tax information 1-800-684-3110. As I said, I feel like it's less about the facial recognition and more about the broken trust of the iron I think that's 1/2 stories of people of comets of the putting man right now you have those you feel you need to share that give us a call last just because of the date one 800 684 30 something else. Rick said and it is about 100 684-3110 64 3170 want to talk was okay.

Here's what Rick saying is right.

We had a conversation this morning, as this was developing and we had two other request for cases and I said you don't know because we got X amount of people in X amount of staffing you been very generous.

We really appreciate that.

But we are taking on major challenges.

Now you're fighting the IRS for fighting a big machine represented by the Department of Justice and the Treasury Department.

They both have institutional borders that are used but we are willing to take that fight. But what we need is the last day of January, were not a matching challenge, but is want I want you to know that your support of the ACLJ right now is critical so I would encourage you to go to ACLJ.org as Rick said, help us with the priorities you're responding today tells us this is a priority. We, the members of the ACLJ want the team involved in this issue and were willing of course to do that we want to do that so it ACLJ.org. Your contribution makes a huge difference it makes in becoming a member of the ACLJ want to encourage you to do that and ACLJ.org we come back we got another segment with Rick Morgan's iPhone. The iPhone was light up the still couple open at 1-800-684-3110 support the work of the ACLJ is a set on ACLJ.org it's very easy and is efficient and sign the petition. Yes, right now petition the both on the main page and sign the petition 1 and ACLJ.org blue donate button appreciate all the support again. Check of the great work only when a society can agree most vulnerable invoice. Is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn Gold edition will show you how you personally. Publication includes all major ACLJ fighting for the rights of pro-life activists ramifications.

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Well, this is the perfect time to stand with us ACLJ.where you can learn more about her life changing, member today ACLJ go first to Ruth Missouri Allied force will hold for a while. Ruth expelled Ruth this PA.

I was already considering retirement when they came up with the cybersecurity written plan requirement and now with this I will I will not submit to this at all and I got clients don't even know access the IRS's site will say that witches your clients will want access to because a UCP 80s account like a flood, people or people who are just not at that point technologically to to start taking selfies and uploading them in their putting in Richter putting another barrier in the way between the people and the agency Ruth from Missouri so you got a small business owner in the Midwest. A woman-owned business standing up and say my client is that this is a disaster while listening to the real people outside of Washington DC listen to Ruth from Missouri who owns a business and who is saying my clients are going to do this.

This is a practical thing that Washington doesn't do they make these decisions in a bubble. They don't listen to the people you love and you said that the fact is technology for a lot of people like this is not easy to do. Filing your taxes in general is not easy to do for everyone's life. You have people who are the root cause, which is known to figure out a father of taxes for the most part.

If you do end up screwed up nine times out of 10 she had that already be a huge barrier. In fact, we have an insane tax code you can't get to you and from that you had now technological advances that sure there are people who just find submitting yourself.

Are you figuring that out a lot from people who like you said two things. Either one physically can't or haven't everybody pay someone to do this for the that's the part I can figure out. So now they have to add another burden to the to the customer essentially was that I can figure out that's good I pay you to do that.

I don't want to sit here. Have you had. Now what would you need access to taxes and say okay we come by the office required a little look at the camera go and move on because that's what I like vote doesn't operate within a specific password is a lot of things that can go wrong and will go wrong. Yes Rick can you work in government for long time and some very sensitive areas.

The thing I think about is that once they had this very sensitive data. If they change their own internal rules about health a storage or how they use it or who they share it with you have little recourse.

Bingo. Let me just tell you this slippery slope and a slippery slope here is once you get a facial recognition system going, you can easily go when you go to the bank taking your picture you go to the ATM there taking your picture on every street corner now in big cities taking your picture this slippery slope means they can upload your face, and facial recognition to know are you depositing how much did you deposit taking all of your financial records. It's so easy to do.

Look at their already doing demanding with Venlo right they want to know who your pain and with the digital footprint. It's very easy to follow somebody put all this together. Facial recognition is terrible. You're making the case for them easier. While they can even respond to taxpayers and generally be allowed great calls coming was the we do have quite a few, let's go first. I was going to order Jeff is calling it Kentucky online one Jeff Young dear Jeff, so I recently moved to Kentucky from Illinois. Thank God because knowledge about country instead of one of the things that peaked my interest. Without your show is Facebook just recently lost a $650 million class action lawsuit for using facial recognition under photos, a lot of people would submit photos on Facebook would automatically identify you and Agyeman all day so I wonder how many states that have certain laws against facial recognition how the IRS and work around the back doors in every country to make this work.

Loss of site-specific disclosure of facial recognition is whether they are letting you know Facebook can be problematic with the fact that they were collecting a lot of data. You were kind of unaware of it. So the sun would start popping up his pictures as soon picture. We do not say St. Louis embarrasses the same potential for damage. There is a problem. It's it and that you got the iris. I know it's required to run into a constitutional issue on the supremacy clause lawsuit to go all right.

Let's go looking briefly at the Illinois laws.

I think it's a little vague in what specifically is illegal and what's it's more consent than it is necessarily just exactly how to take Debbie's call right away and get Rick and to comment on this because I like that since Debbie's frustration without even taking on their own now ATTACK and every year, while casting a year later, I can complete the newly fine copy document right somehow. People are waiting for refunds from a year ago. The iris already set out 2022 processing for 2021 is to be worse than last year. Last year is a disaster.

30 million returns not processed yet. At least as soon as you get on the phone with them as you fill out form acts now well transfer you over the floor.

It takes forever.

You have to you have to start off I also want to make one comment about Jeff Koller from Kentucky you know, the federal government in Washington DC get to do it. They want.

I mean Facebook may find themselves in hot water with facial recognition by the federal government and says that to do it. They just get to do it because what works in Washington doesn't work the rest of the country and they don't care absolutely critical to grab one call quickly. Steve Missouri on line 5 Steve go at your own there really quick. Two with the IRS and get this information.

How easily would be disseminated between interagency notes and interagency sharing. You are the director of national intelligence.

What about. That's a great name you cut just a very close on time, but it's a great question. Rick stated question slippery slope that will absolutely happen share information.

Once the IRS gets to start sharing it with State Department for your passport information commerce for your loans, your business loans anything retirement. This is the problem folks with identify before you know we got a solution were to take action office of government affairs is on top of this is Rick said earlier, your support of the ACLJ makes this a priority were there for you this last day of the month. I would encourage you to support the work of the ACLJ by going to ACLJ.Ward, and you can get online. We encourage you to do that ACLJ.for today's show Univac tomorrow same time you're watching live that is on at noon on the East Coast.

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