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BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules on Texas Abortion Case

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December 10, 2021 12:00 pm

BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules on Texas Abortion Case

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December 10, 2021 12:00 pm

The Supreme Court of the United States has issued a ruling that allows Texas' lifesaving law S.B. 8 to stay in effect as the Court also allowed a lawsuit to proceed that challenges the law. Jordan and the rest of the Sekulow team give their legal analysis of the ruling. This and more today on Sekulow .

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Circular as the Supreme Court decision on the Texas abortion you informed. Now this is a very different core than even the one that greeted Donald Trump when he was elected in 2000 and 2016. The fact that Anthony Kennedy is gone. The fact that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is gone and replaced by very strong conservatives means that a lot is changing very quickly what I hear from you, Sharon poster, call 1-800-684-3110 is like to say. Elections have consequences, and in the election of Donald Trump very big consequence. Now your Jordan secular to secular for the month after hearing the case. It was whole health Jackson. This is the six week abortion restriction, the fuel child heartbeat. That is what the law is.

But it was unique because the restriction it can only be enforced at a civil level by private parties. So it's a very unique law.

We filed a brief in support of the law goes before the courts. What did the court do today just briefly while you get it. The sobor detail rush. This for politician with Sec. Pompeo in the next segment of the broadcast share with your friends and family will get our legal team to give you analysis of this because it also plays into the bigger case, which is the Dobbs case, which was will be away from the Supreme Court likely until June. That case, of course, is on a direct challenge to Roe versus Wade. But here is the interesting part of this you can look at it two different ways on one in the abortion industry is to say what least we can still challenge this law preemptively.

That means before someone who's a private party tries to bring an action against the abortionist or someone at the abortion facility who violates the law. That's river that's what it's about you if the SB eight the private action and civil start criminal is done by the state of the federal government. This is a civil matter and so you say okay this person violated this, it will happen and ultimately then you can they challenge the constitutionality of the courts.

If you don't, they can they can file these challenges.

Even they can file the challenges before so they could challenge that the constitutionality of the idea of the law but here's where things have changed significantly.

The Supreme Court in the past, a law like this if it made its way to the Supreme Court that would been a huge if it would. There's no way the Supreme Court listed it back to Texas in the past and said he could still be enforced. So, you heard me correct.

The Supreme Court today said that Texas law, which is very unique because the private right of action takes the state out of the enforcement is still the law Supreme Court did not stop. They didn't enjoin this law.

Pending the legal challenges so this is a new world. For those of us who have a pro-life position and is certainly a new world. The abortion industry because something like this, a novel new approach legally did not just get stopped by the court in the past I could've said maybe 90% of the time without the just as the President Trump nominated in the Senate confirmed. I don't think you would've seen this kind of position from the court. Now that me this is settled, no.

But by the time any of these legal challenges in play. Hold that hope that we could still challenge it and it Texas didn't want that. Preemptively they said he could feel it after the fact. If someone tries to bring the challenge. Sure, you can always challenge that but but not reactively so that's where the abortionist to find some hope in this, let me just say they've they are not used to going all the way to the US Supreme Court and getting arose as yet you can still bring legal challenges but here's how you can bring them against it broadly if the wrong people were not to stop this law going into effect what what is really about. By the time this case these challenges from Texas we heard through the appellate process. The legal process really know the court's decision, which is going to be to inform all the states what they need to do the ACL days before fertilization. We need your support with matching challenges month of December, W Patrick donation ACLJ.or matching tiles month of December to get over all these case.

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And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn, called mission life will show you how you are personally pro-life and publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life in many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to question your free copy of mission life today online ACLJ/secure your phone calls in the third segment. The broadcast 164 3110 feet you agree with the Supreme Court. Here, the Texas decision, and I do believe this report or the right direction on life 1-800-684-3110 circular calls incompetence we get those in the third segment of the broadcast of the second half hours well at one 800 684 31 for our senior counsel for global affairs for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is joining us now secretary just right off the bat.

This is an interesting decision from the Supreme Court. We give the breakers of the Texas law, which is very unique law, but what it what is I think unique here is that in the past. Typically, laws like this if they made their way to the Supreme Court that was probably not going to be good outcome for those of us who support life and and usually they would be enjoyed by the court. While legal challenges were present were represented in moving forward and we heard from the court today. This law while they will allow legal challenges to move forward.

Secretary they they are going to also allow the law to remain in effect during the very different and I think it portends. How many of the members or thinking about that dog that dictate that with her a couple weeks back big and allow the flawed estate in effect during the time of the litigation that is different about the Supreme Court tablet or it has real ramifications for those of us who believe that every life is sacred to me that our work must continue even when that the current court makes the thinking.even if they overturn route. It means that the hard work protecting the unborn everywhere and always, I will be right on top of it so I hope everyone has nothing will realize that work like your organization is been doing for decades.

The need to do that work will continue wait wait. We we walked the Supreme Court to get this right to finally overturn Roe after all of the decades. But in the end we have this responsibility that is bigger and I'm thick and allow Texas to continue to uphold what the people of Texas asked for through their legislature there law that is a good thing and I hope the people of Texas will use every opportunity during this time on the laws that affect the protect the unborn in every way that they can be sopping ACLJ.org on the Dobbs case. Specifically, the challenge to reverse his ways, the Supreme Court must finally undo the injustices of Roe versus Wade. You wrote is no more time I should have to pass for Americans to dedicate ourselves to building a godly or more generous society where every human life is not seen something expendable. When convenient, but rather is recognized as indispensable and precious. You think what were seeing a shift you with a lot of the grassroots activists around the country, but also, even in Washington DC it was a Congress. Are there a shift into a culture that values human life including the life of the unborn child. I think I think that the majority of American people are coming to speed up the right approach that if you really want the quality of the central idea of every human being being created in the image of God is true, as most Americans believe that you can't take the life of the unborn, but there is a fraction of the fraction of American population. Even today, more wedded to their outdated notions in this idea somehow that there's this right of a woman to terminate a life and so I think there's a split. I pray that the vast majority will continue to see this in the way will protect the that the most at risk and do so in a way that is in the deepest traditions of America and that we will support the children not only incoming collective being born but will support them throughout all the things of the culture and American culture that helps them live in our nation way that we have done for 245+ years now. I encourage people to go to get that piece of ACLJ dental secretary Pompeo on the Supreme Court must finally undo the injustice of rover's weight gets turning to foreign policy. We had early this week Pres. Biden and Pres. Putin held a video call discuss the Russian military buildup on the Ukrainian border. We begin that on the broadcast this week where you think that stands today.

Now that they've they've done the call. We spoken to our European allies you know it feels like this could happen at any moment added but where do you think it stands during the goal here isn't to end up in a hot war with the Russians. The goal is to protect and defend European sovereignty in a nation that is chosen.

Ukraine has chosen not to be a part of W not be part of the Russian orbit.

We need deterrence to do that people forget that it was Joe Biden who opposed providing defensive weapon systems to Ukrainians during the duration of the Obama administration couldn't note that he had forgotten that that that the reason that you're seeing him be so aggressive. The reason he is threatening Ukraine and Georgia and the other satellite states that even that even the Baltic countries in the north week later in United States. What happened in Afghanistan got a green light pipeline. The Nordstrom to pipeline what we need to reestablish American leadership provide the resources to Europeans that they can defend themselves and to deter Russian aggression.

Get that right of the credit will simply step forward and do that. I'm convinced you can convince gladden the could not work. The capital sadly I'm not sure present.

Biden is up to that task. This next question was about more about the Biden side administration that occurred in this patient is takes over national security advisory told the press after the phone calls with both of put in our European allies that quote present by look present.

Put in the I and told him today. The things we did not do in 2014 that was very good with that.

When they invaded Crimea and an extra Crimea in parts of eastern Ukraine and that conflict is continued but I we are prepared to do now late in 2014 the that Obama mistresses and MRAs and blankets but no lethal assistance Ukraine that change under under the Trump administration of the time you served as Secretary of State, you think that it's just words from the Biden administration. I know they're talking these massive sanctions which I think they were if they had buy-in and were serious about it, could make an impact with your assessment about this administration's willingness to actually kind of hold these lines on typical garden but it matters less what I think than what Latimer could and Vladimir Putin. When staring at the evidence of the actions of the administration to date Shirley have to doubt whether that will be executed in a way that will materially impact that will have the little Greeley impose costs on them and I hope that they were able to make a credible case. I hope he was able to.

Biden was able to demonstrate that he got our European allies alongside and that they are theory that they have demonstrated that they're willing to actually pull the trigger on if they have they've shown that Latimer could most certainly have to calculate whether it's worth it for him but I know I'm I guess it is book evidence is pretty thin, that's almost feels like that that decisions been made whether it's an attempt to do it internally in Ukraine or extremities with military force, but is there some glimmer of hope for people listing that that that that that if those sanctions.

Somehow this administration was was real about the actual boy that he believed it. That could prevent Russia from taking this kind of action that I think you and that sensitive weighing the relative cost so I think if they were able to demonstrate the resolve of the spirit. They could convince them that it's not work that we could support Ukrainians in a way that would give them the capability to make the cut even higher. Latimer equipment it's it's doable.

We did it for four years.

Note that they didn't expand beyond Crimea that it took under the Obama administration plan for years they didn't threatening the same way it was because you had leaders that had showed resolve and determination incredible response in the event the Gutknecht in a way that was inconsistent with American interests change significantly from the Biden Obama years and and when you when you are serving because we did provide the aid and it's not that many Ukraine military's has been honest about it.

They say you alone. We had invaded it. We can slow down the invasion I think is what the top general said we can weaken the retreat can be a little bit more organized and we can certainly put there but they have been able to this. You talked about for four years audit under the ministry. She started in present trousers with your Secretary of State. It was it was us. It was a stalemate and the Russians were not attempted to advance the other thing that we did write about that we provided defensive weapon to them better than we did as we work with our European partners European challenge that the German French northern Europeans, even the Europeans in the all need to collectively make clear that they're going to have a response to what Goodman is intending so we need a friend and ally one thoughtfully on the front line to lead the charge on this effort. That, combined with American resolve to deter Latimer could not get a copy of church folks.

I read the new piece opted to contribute to present ACLJ that are by Sec. Pompei of the Supreme Court must finally undo the injustice of Roe versus Wade secretaries always a pleasure to have you 10 weighing him about the issues domestically and for let me encourage you folks. We want you to wait as well give us a call at one 800 684 31 tenants 164, 31, 1050 back to Texas and the case the Supreme Court do you believe will provide our analysis but you believe this is a good indication from the court, the things of change significantly because of the new justices on the court, even though some of the justices said Justice Breyer just south of I don't like acknowledging that court has different pages with just about 1-800-684-3110 if you want to give skull be part of the show was forgiveness because the next segment broadcast minutes from now and you feel like the country is moving a pro-life direction as you talk to people from your community or town. Really, what are your thoughts on this because it's it's so much in the news of the summer talking about from both sides where people the you talk to stand on this issue told advice to nervous to scared about Overturf call one 800 684 31 to support our work at ACLJ.Ward challenge, but doubly impacted so@aclj.org will be right only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice.

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Obviously, this it's it's it's it's a procedural case that that was initially before the court. So was without the proper parties. Here you can you challenge this before it's enforced. So the abortion industry legacy will lease this report so we could challenge it before actual it's actually for somebody's civil actions and we will continue explained that but I think the bigger picture yet a step back and acknowledge that before there was a shift of the spring quarter we had in the last four years for five years that this case probably would've made it there could've just been eight paragraph decision door in an oral argument, and ultimately you know probably had very little hope that the would've fought worse you fight the fight through all the levels and in Texas with the fighter but the difference here is that while they said yeah that the Bush industry could bring their challenges they limited who they could even challenge to for a Texas agency heads that are related to others, nursing, pharmacy board, HHS attacked the Texas state HHS and Texas medical Board so they try to do here was Sue that the judge they also throughout the.

The federal challenged the Biden administration challenge the way that they move forward as well so they threw that out is premature. They told the abortion she sued the wrong people. They did lay out okay who you could challenge, but the bigger take away that I see the big picture is that they didn't stop the law from being enforced. So as of right now in Texas. This is the law you could bring a civil action would like to see Cialis figure at 30 with ACLJ cc my take away the procedural case Warburg away from God. That's obviously case it will really determine and give the state some clarity on how to to act second in the past.

If it had been this way, the court, they certainly if they would've sent it had any questions about a law like this, it would've enjoyed it right from the start. What we talk about all the time with abortion distortion, which is basically a law that deals with abortion comes before the Supreme Court. It really doesn't matter about faxing about procedure. It really doesn't matter about law protect abortion.

No matter what we did see in this case, we saw the exact opposite just to score 6. Write the opinion and he specifically said that this court disregard limits on the jurisdiction of federal courts said they allowed me not to stain fact which typically they would never do a lot like he said to go forward against the Texas medical licensing officials. Also, the 14 state courts that act cases that are pending can go forward we get to see the abortion distortion we saw that this court actually follow the law and letting the Texas law state in place and letting it go through the correct court procedure below. Three. This is a take away that she she said the abortion distortion issue.

The fact is we were all used to time or if if you were even making your way through court. These laws were always stopped reviewing effect never got to see them go into effect to see what the outcome see if the parade of horrible's that the abortionist retries argue court was even come to fruition. They were always stop and it didn't it at some point it usually even earlier the case.

They didn't do that here and I don't want to say that predicts dollars, but it certainly shifted the reason I think you're correct and ice so I would agree that what we have seen in the past is a demonstration of the court's willingness to surrender to what might be called the abortion distortion abortion was seen previously by the court as an absolute right and extra constitutional right that trumped all other rights including the right to life. So now I think we have a more balanced court. And so the court is now willing to consider arguments and these arguments in fact are advanced why because of advances in science and medicine and so we can perceive what an abortion really is. It is truly the extinguishment of a beating heart. And so I think now at least, the court is consider is willing to consider some restrictions on abortion and it's very possible in the Dobbs case they will consider Roby White event on Facebook right if if the pro-life position ultimately wins in the Dobbs case that the case at a Mississippi that that again is the for a 50 week portion of the difference in Texas. Six weeks 50 week fabric.

Dobbs will be able to inform state like Texas states like South Dakota where we were represented for consent case they're going to finally have some clarity. I hope from the Supreme Court so that at all. This is not just constant legal battle they can they can legislate and that they could not do with the people of elected them to do and that may mean that it's very different.

California that is in Texas or Tennessee or New York. They may all have but the people directly represented by the people of state legislatures and governors. They will be making those decisions will be informed and also we be able to shift the efforts from focusing and other think of this where it's been fed almost 100%. The federal court issue to it if things change with Dobbs will be able groups like the ACLJ go right into states and use art that the same experience in Washington DC to work with legislators on the legislation shoots out whether they want to match Mississippi where they have something they want to do, but also start making the case to the people inside the states about why it's important to protect life during the state laboratories were kicking a high gear on the issue of life and like the fact that Dobbs is sitting out there right now yeah yeah sure you know of course corrected this case decided today was largely technical and procedural the Jordan. I still think it's a very significant win for the reason that you point out right here in a number one the hundreds or even thousands of lives that will be saved in the state of Texas. Because the law remains in effect and in the interim. That's an absolute when the Jordan you know I have five great hope that Dobbs is going to allow states to reengage us of Texas had to get creative.

This first time around. I'm glad they did. So Jordan, but you know what, regardless of whether they win or lose. In the end on this. You know, sort of novel mechanism that they have in place when a decision comes down to me on the other side of Dobbs and it's in if Dobbs goes the correct way. And even if Texas loses this initial case they be able to come back and pass a more traditional band if they had done that the first time Jordan on this side of Dobbs exactly what you describe what happened they would have never gotten court, the law would have never been able to be in effect in all of these lies were not being would not be safe. So this at least buys then the time to get on the other side of Dobbs and enjoyed I would just say this with the ACLJ were getting ready for that. Hopefully for that post Dobbs world because there can be a number of states on both sides of this issue. Looking to legislate. I think that's appropriate Jordan we want to make sure we make the case for life to those cater to the states and so we see as many as possible, a move in the right direction second half hour coming up will reset it explained so that for people who have just majority us if you join the secretary prepare was with us as our Savior counts for global affairs. We talked a little about that we that we had to rush over it will break the staff you what, where, the Supreme Court, this decision was about where it stands and how it might impact other states but also despite for life. I would ask you this is call one 800 684 31 to 3 touch on the air. This is how important is issue to you, you still vote on this issue of life is it number one issue you look at the candidate. We look at policies give us a call 1-800-684-3110 is 100-684-3110 and now that this debate is been renewed on Rovers are you having those discussions is call one 864, 31, it is always supportive refinancings a great time to do a W Patrick donation ACL.the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate will be managed $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms to you and your family.

Give a gift today online ACLJ.Dave decision at US this where there is a procedural matter, but involves abortion so the fact that it hasn't followed similar pattern of previous cases. This is indication how the court district and wait where you see so this is the Texas case. This was the private right of action wanted to go to CC.

How can CC right off the bat. This is a unique law because it's not the state enforcing a abortion restriction through state mechanisms or criminal court. It's a civil right of action that a private right of action someone's if if abortion provider is violating the six week restriction, someone who is. It has some connection to that procedure, and knows he violated that so they can bring a civil case and the penalty can be up to $2000 for supper you buddy in jail but that you it's a unique approach. It was passed by the state of Texas to fit all the way, the court and at the court today where the in the passive Savior with the legal challenges before not let this log would force that they took a different approach, as it will let the legal challenges move forward preemptively but were not to stop the law really through the whole process with This law on like you have said and it needs to be repeated. When an abortion way going to the fact that would be limiting abortion really typically see enjoying our stop immediately. It would not get the fact this is different with this Texas law from the beginning even now there had been federal and federal judge. They tried enjoying it at the appeals level date they let it go on to see the Supreme Court's connection. She's right there with the CC, but this is the difference in the fact is that in the past we would've fought this out. We always provided that you never know with with Supreme Court but probably would've it made it there probably would even if it did if I would've it up.

A paragraph or less may be of assistance from the court in the past, just stopping in the permitting this law from going effect. I think that that might be taken when not surprised allowing challenges to its very unique law. Very unique because of the presence private right of action, but the second was usually would never allow this to stand, you would you would just immediately. These laws would be put on pause so you're absolutely correct, Jordan, we would not have seen it arrive at the level that it is arrived. That is because of the what I would call the sea change in the Supreme Court that has been generated by the President of appointments of Pres. Trump in this case of Justices Alito and Thomas are predictable yes, but now the Trump appointees have come to the floor and I think that that's an important aspect of this thing, there is nothing wrong with allowing the pre-enforcement challenges to take place.

That's the procedural posture that the Supreme Court as they can go ahead and challenge the law before goes into effect litigated in the lower courts, but I think the thing that is really remarkable. In this case Jordan is the fact that the Supreme Court of the United States. Contrary to what it would have done previously said the law remains in effect.

While these challenges, and litigation proceeds in the lower courts. That's a big thing and I think it presages in many effects on the many ways I'm not gonna predict what the Dobbs case is going to be, but it presages and pre-and sets the stage for what I think is going to be hopefully a good result in that decision. In that process and in that case we come back after the break to bring the staffing. This is supported in the ACLJ's one of our top issues without a single religious liberty or constitutional rights. And of course, tied directly to as the right of the unborn child. Their life and we been fighting on this issue since the beginning of the organization and its difficult piping you stuck with it goes… Broadcast stuck with it and you start to see the fruit states to engage in a bit doing that with the cases in to attempt to get clarity so that they can actually legislate doesn't mean everyone will be the same, but it will break that will explain thinking that were to become a great way hundred 6430 with if you want to join us on their support our work@aclj.org will be right.

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If the Dobbs case, which will ultimately likely come out early summer. Dobbs case allows Mississippi to put in place their 50 week restriction that your state and your legislature states can take a real, especially others. Legislation said the pro-life and governors who ran as is being pro-life it and they can look at Saito in the past if they'd said well you know the substantial put this forward. But this could be a lot of legal challenges. Let them how to do it. Maybe thought best for our state financially.

That will be the case. The more you will also be of the holder politicians feet to the fire on this issue. For those who have broad over and over say there pro-life pro-life cc will go right into the states and be able say listen, you know you can put this kind of restriction it now and you're not going to face.

Decades of legal battles. State had a compelling interest in protecting the life of an unborn baby. So now we will actually see the states being able to protect life, like you said states will protected conception and a heartbeat. When the baby can feel pain. Each state will get team determined that it will not be on this judicially fabricated rights to abortion does not exist in the Constitution, it will be something that the states can decide for themselves. Significant pressure on the court. We we know the pressures mounted because of Dobbs.

I would play this flashback. This is as soon as she raised Majority Leader US at the threat he may to the justices on the court, especially the new justices on the court. I take a listen because now that they're considering that the couple with Texas.

This was course which he wrote the opinion.

You hear his name another there. Considering this, much bigger decision which will be really whether again they can overturn progress when the consul got Roberson what you could you basically I whether they come out and directly overturn it or I get make it no longer. This super precedent that overrides every law in every state decision threats are real. Take Alyssa bite six. I wanted I want to you know you really want you to.

This is the pressure to pay the these justices we had for the liberal justices, especially in in Dobbs they were were about politics and the politicians would go to the steps the Supreme Court and and on the left and make threats like that if they really thought that was the case with that being said, take this about that that pressure in Washington and the pressure to potentially be excluded from, you know, there interpersonal life. He could have an impact. It's it's no joke and so for people that are there watch these cases, these justice though they shouldn't have to feel that pressure and it's inappropriate what contributed. That is the tone that they are living on the right now to cups the Dobbs case in the pressures intent stored in that particular case with leader Schumer. I think there is actually a personal safety component involved. I don't think there is any excuse for what the leader did look as we sit here today Jordan, I mean we can say conclusively, it did not work. I mean if you look at this opinion today. Of the four justices that agreed in whole Jordan. It was the three trunk justices that he referenced there, and that quote as well as Justice Alito, now Justice Thomas would've gone a little bit further. The Chief Justice would've gone quite that far, but those were the four that were in the main holding of the court and so it did not work. So kudos to Justice Cavanaugh and Ann Barrett and Gore search for a just consort of casting that aside and looking at the law and making a decision. I'm confident they will do the same thing in Dobbs, but Jordan, your point still has to be well taken. Because here in Washington.

I will tell you as we get closer and closer to a decision what we saw last week when doctors heard will continue to intensify that the pressure will ratchet up and we need to make sure that those who are advocating for life continue to focus on the merits of the lobbyist Jordan we are waiting on this and and one last thing I would say being in court even in Texas, even in this to this lawsuit were there been allowed to proceed.

This is not a very comfortable place for the abortion industry to how to be because her having to go into court and their having to make arguments like you know that most significant sign of life that all of the medical community looks at the heartbeat. Whether your pre-born or once you're out walking around the face of the nevermind that sign of life.

Jordan that's the argument they're having to make in court's not a very, comfortable one for them to do it in the past it matter who they brought the lawsuit.

They would find a way to strip five been procedurally correct because of the idea that rolling the abortion source we talk about it, is overrated. Every basic legal principle unless you you talk, but also the cultural shift is coming with the legal shifted and we all knew that was part of it, people had to be educated go back to what Roe versus Wade makes it it's very different country that came up in the court then they are way they do weigh those those cultural factors and shifts in our nation know what we are witnessing. We've known for several years that culturally more more Americans are pro-life and they have real reservations about abortion. It troubles them. What were witnessing is not just a sea change culturally, but a seachange legally about how Roe V Wade is is viewed and and and abortion writ large in a scientist taught us a lot used to be the issue centered around viability you when Roe V Wade in case are being argued viability.

Can they survive outside the womb. Now we know about human life within the womb at about the ability to feel pain about heartbeat about the development of the human brain, and that baby so scientist has taught us a lot and because of that were witnessing like you said not just a cultural change that is pro-life but illegal change so that it becomes a moral issue and what were looking at from a legal perspective is the sanctity of all human life. And so what happens is not just religious concerns and course the religion. The religious community has been very pro-life for a long time but it's now you have people who are pro-life, who have no religious convictions are pro-life because of what we've learned.

The legal and the cultural shift about abortion and so people who are not religious at all, are turning and saying hey, this is wrong.

We need to take a pro-life stand and exited Russia get more the politics of it because it is a whole that's a whole issue is that and where focusing on his if these cases move in our direction.

There are a lots of elected officials who have been running that they are super pro-life for many years and that's usually when the top fourth issues that you will see on any kind of any kind of campaign material so you'll really be honest okay now you said this would see action and the action will just be theoretical challenges in court and Harry that's what we been used to is it.

It's a it's a challenge that you gotta make. You gotta make a legal argument but these laws never had a chance to even see the light of day. They never got a chance to actually work so that the parade of horrible circuits brought before these courts is not just hypothetical. I think that is correct and so I think at the end of the day. In all likelihood, if the court rules against Planned Parenthood in Dobbs. We will be able to see whether or not politicians on the right are prepared to take a stand and so I think on this particular issue.

There is no neutral ground, and I hope the American people will see politicians step up to the plate and do the right thing. We certainly do not believe there is a neutral ground on this issue politics more so it kind way out this legal perspective wrote that a 40 in the politics of it. How will this impact it in the workplace.

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Three justices in proceeding now, but didn't. Then we get to go in this with a subdued goat state-by-state to make the case. That's the thing Jordan what we are moot when I see in the Supreme Court of the United States is that we are moving away from the federalization of abortion look at what the Supreme Court did in this case today. It dismissed the case brought by the United States Department of Justice against the state of Texas and said you United States government are out now the that the private litigants confers proceeding in federal court.

But what that does is it sent.

I think a tremendous signal that the federalization of abortion and the role of the federal government.

The central government is going to be out the door in my opinion, but with through this Supreme Court and we're going to look to the politicians in each state. As you said, and hold them accountable because they run on platforms of pro-life. Now they're going to have to move in their legislatures, just like Texas did just like Mississippi did just like other states are doing and within a hold them accountable in their state legislatures for what they do in terms of abortion in life. Those are the things that I think are being signaled by the Supreme Court decision today as opposed to Judy and Louisiana online. What he did he walk the secular year on the air grateful probably daring thank you and you guys that I am a development director for pregnancy resource Center here in Raleigh and research center that in serving our community for 42 years and we are in a day Louisiana that it considered the most pro life date and yet, during the quarantine. Our governor would not shut down the abortion clinic. That's not essential. So we had as you know, Gov. Abbott did shut down Texas that we had people coming in from all different places and just in the quarantine alone. We had 800 abortions here and felt we are extremely passionate about all that you guys did an audit going on mobilizing prayer and standing at me just this month we have been amazed how the abortion minded in the end, but we usually have only client that we set appointments for and yet last week we had to abortion minded and three abortion minded bigots walk in this week again and they all change their mind last week and this week we had three and that not commenting that many so for at least the spiritual we see the battle ramping up as this is happening and how desperately important it is for people to get on board without your doing and bring voice matters.

Every voice matters a lot worse. Pro-life purchases of try to shut them down to California and make them advertise abortions and so we see the hostility absent in New York City since the state level in California. My beasties were friendly. I will say this, and again SEC to to me pro-life pregnancy centers like the Jenny works with in Louisiana I believe we do a lot of work we do fundraisers form it will go to state sentence and speak on their behalf because they will be that much more important as these. If these restrictions are allowed to be in place because there will be women who are looking for your one of their options. There is a tough spot and they've already greatly about these organizations. Dave likes. She said they have like us doing the work to prepare for that day. Resource centers have been at the forefront of protecting life and realized early on that if a woman seems her baby through an ultrasound.

She almost always changes her mind and I think that's what we actually seen with these court cases common to courts and the Supreme Court. More people are rethinking abortion and realizing this is a baby options performing their only option was to kill their baby, but there are plenty of options and the pregnancy resource centers have been making. They can talk to a woman and tell her everything and they help a woman before hand I do it afterwards if you have the bait email.

They will help with lies and with the car seat so hopefully these organizations will see an influx of women coming down just make the decision to kill their baby without realizing do you have options and won't have to live with that decision that they can actually choose to have the baby and still have a very very good life for me for the ACLJ would open up an entirely new that now it's not that we can work with the polite princes actually stay open and states for the hostel and just keep the doors of that but if if the shift Occurs, the more they are to many more resources. Of course there they established themselves in these communities, but like you said what you call it start to see people show up debate is changing. They don't automatically just go to the abortion clinic and have the abortion even though they might think that that's what they want to do and what some more information and as we got in our documentaries and save the abortion industry doesn't work provided information. Working the case out of South Dakota right now the state gets encased about again the making sure that women are in for so that if they think they want to have the abortion as stated think it's absolutely bad, waiting for the case of the St. uniform just like you would with any other medical procedure, if ever said in the abortion industry challenge. They don't want that because like you heard from Jenny walked to the stores and they see the child offset that decision is made at other options are available which the child is text so there's going to be that much more to do and a very different level were prepared for the ACLJ support our work.

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