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The Voice. of the Christian resistance, on this seventh day of july, twenty twenty six, And uh tonight My Bored up. My producer? And my co-host is none other than Hey style. Hey, Pastor, how are you?
And uh we have a special I have a special guest host tonight, a special guest, Lieutenant Colonel Phil Cochrane. Who spent more than two decades flying the F-16 Fighting Falcon training fighter pilots between Nineteen nineteen. twenty thirteen. A father of seven between the ages of seventeen and thirty three He also served for twenty three years as a pastor at the Covenant Great Church in Perkins, Oklahoma. From twenty From 2002 to 2025, and in his new devotional entitled Lessons Learned at the Speed of Sound, He brings those two worlds together Hey Phil.
Plus. Are you there? I'm here. All righty. Thanks for having me on your show.
Welcome, welcome to Dewards. Welcome to The Voice of the Christian Resistance. Before we get started, I wanted to um shout out to Two things. I want to have a shout out to the Parma and the C Cleveland V A The Cleveland VA and Department of VA, I I brought to them a really bum knee. I net tore tore some of those little things that hold your knee together up.
and it was a big and swelled and hot and hurting and I took it in to them and said, See what you can do to fix this. And they did. They did a great job. and uh sent me home and It it doesn't hurt anymore, and I just want to say You know, hats off to the good, wonderful staff out there. by both the Pharma and the Cleveland Veterans Administration.
And with that, we have a We have a prayer request. There's a fellow named Joe. Lattiner, and he has several handicaps, and one of them is Dementia End. And folks, you know, a lot of times When you have a lot of physical disabilities, you wonder, you say, why me? Why, me, and I know often myself And Phil, you would know when when I start thinking Feeling sorry for myself.
Why, me? I think about others that I know. who have been through so much worse. And uh and so And I think, well, why not me then? And so but I wanna just hold Joe up in prayer out there tonight and um Yep.
And his wife, he Joe has a loving lov wife that is taking good care of him.
So I just want to hold him up and hast all the phones up there. Phil, you know, I'm always talking about the power of prayer. There's power in prayer. And if you could get people to really belie if people understood. The power that is in prayer Do you think that we would have a a a real praying country out there today, Joe, Phil?
Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that we've gotten lackadaisical when it comes to understanding the spiritual warfare that we're in. As a nation that you go to, other parts of the world that are still aware and fighting, and not only are the spiritual forces much more real there, but their prayer power of prayer is much more real there. Uh we have just gotten two too lazy, I think, here in the United States.
Uh too comfortable. Too spoilt. It's what it is. Let's pray for Joe. Heavenly Father, Lord God, I want to hold Joe up.
And ask, Father God, that you would intercede on his behalf, Lord. He's been feeling down, he's been feeling lonely and And uh but and I talked to him today and I told him how blessed he was to have a wife who I care so much for him and take such good care, and he realized that, but Lord, we just would uh again I would ask Father God, Lord, that ye would give him the peace that passes all understanding. Lord, and that you could touch him and heal his body. and then put him to work, being a doer of the word, not just a hearer only. Put him to work placing up crowns and glory while there's time.
That's my prayer for Joe tonight. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen.
Phil Hugh. I describe Uh anyway, you are a a fighter, you flow that the the um F sixteen for all those years. And uh, you know, I've flown on jets before, but n not nothing like that. Uh describe what it's like to fly an F-16 fighter. Felcon.
I tell you what, Pastor, it's the greatest experience in the world. It was my lifelong dream. I'd always wanted to be a fighter pilot. My father was a fighter pilot in World War II. Interesting story.
He was shooting down Japanese planes, and 50 years later, I'm flying over those same waters in the F-16. protecting them and protecting that region from the aggressions of North Korea. It is a fantastic experience from the power of the thrust of the engine that can shoot you straight up in the sky like a rocket. to the G-forces you experience as you turn and bank and And imagine sitting here at 1 G, you weigh I weigh 170 pounds at 1 G, but pulling 9 G's like we did in the F 16, multiply that weight times 9. And that's how much I weighed.
I would pull nine G's to turn the aircraft in a tight accelerating, even accelerating turn. Best view in the world. I used to say it was the best office in the world. I had the best view from the best office in the world.
So just a fantastic experience.
Well, how would you compare that to, you know, some of the, well, right after World War II. Uh my I I had a dear, dear friend for many years, Colonel H. Speed Wilson. He was uh the most highly decorated marine he He had he fought in World War Two and Korea and Vietnam. And he, um, he shot down Over thirty of the enemy planes.
And I remember uh while he was telling me about the difference in the different planes that he'd flown over the years. They actually made a movie. about him you might have seen it um it was a movie about the China Sea. And here there was a pilot and he had got shot down over there and there there was an angry crowd of Chinese chasing him. And uh he was running down the beach And uh there was a baby ship off the a battleship and they saw that and they put some rounds in between him and the the angry mob chasing him which saved his life.
But that was a true story, Colonel H. Speed Wilson. He got shot right through his jaws through one side of his mouth that came out the other side. But uh And and he was telling me that there was big differences in the planes, but go ahead.
Okay.
Well, I tell you, the difference is astounding, but a part of me hats off to those guys in World War II. Moving back to the beginning of combat aviation in World War I, who fought really mono-a-mano. You know, it was the man in the cockpit that. that made all the difference. I mean uh the plane The ability to fight with guns only, whereas now in the F-16 we've got heat-seeking missiles, radar missiles.
shooting beyond visual range where you would uh Pretty much engage a target before you even saw them with your eyes, only on radar.
So, a lot more electronic geekery involved today, beeps, squeaks, and things like that. And part of me goes back to those days of early aviation where fighter pilots. truly were the knights of the air fighting pretty much guns guns be guns and plane be plane.
Well, you know, you you draw a a likelihood or a a connection between being an av an aviation and being a pilot in the in the Christian life. How's that?
Well, you know, I taught a lot of the pastor for like you mentioned for twenty three years. And what I discovered was as I was teaching Scripture and teaching exegetically through the Word of God to my congregation, Is that these analogies would heath come to mind of things I learned while I was a fighter pilot? things I learned in the jet, and I would apply those to the scripture that I was teaching in the message of that day. And I would have not just men and young men come up, but even women and young women come up and express to me how much those analogies these were people who didn't even know anything about aviation, but those analogies really resonated with them and it helped them to cement the truth of God's word in their mind and apply them throughout their lives. In the week ahead.
And so I started thinking, I'm like, why is that? But when you consider the fact that the same God that created the physical laws, Of creation, gravity and lift and thrust and drag and energy management and such. That same God created the spiritual laws in His Word. And whether we're a fighter pilot flying in His physical creation or Christians, Fighting, flying, fighting, and winning in our spiritual walk, the same God created both of them. And that's why I think it applies so readily.
You know, we don't uh we don't um create truth, we discover truth. And just as I wanted to be successful as a fighter pilot, I had to abide by God's. physical laws to be successful as a fighter pilot. If we want to be successful as Christians, we have to abide by God's spiritual laws that are taught in the truth of his word.
Well, you know, there's there's a mindset amongst some out there that you can either believe in science or you can believe in God, but but not both, and and that couldn't possibly be farther from the truth, because without God there is no science. But you described a cockpit as a kind of a classroom Uh so what's what's the most important lesson you've learned? in that classroom there. to what you just said, if I could comment on that, we Everything originates with God. I love what John MacArthur.
Said about the creation debate, creation versus evolution. And you said something to this extent that Evolu creation versus evolution is not a scientific problem. It's a theological problem. There was only one person present at the time that this world was created, and that was God. And he lays out the truth in his word exactly how he did it.
And we have to first start with God's truth if we're going to understand anything of God's creation. And we don't take the creation and take it to the Word of God and try and interpret it that way. We take the Word of God and then take it to His creation and we understand it that way. And too often, we start in the wrong direction and end up with the wrong answers. Um but When you're speaking of that Uh is there ever been a any better explanation And then I'm talking about with with the absolute authority From creation until everlasting, than God's word, the Bible.
Is there anything that even comes close? to explaining where we came from, where we're at, and where we're going. Absolutely not. I mean, God is eternal, and His word is from that eternal God, right?
So there is no other wisdom apart from God's word. Let the kingdoms rage, as it says in Psalm 2. But God sits on his throne, and he governs and directs his creation and all his creatures. And whether we like it or not, whether we admit it or not, he is king and sovereign of his creation. And only in him can we understand where we came from, why we're here, and where we're going.
So and Again, there, you know, I mean And I can see the simplest thing that you can possibly put together Uh using l logic is Has there ever been A creation that didn't have a creator. Is it possible? to have a creation without a creator. That's the question. And the answer's pretty simple, isn't it?
Uh It is very simple. I mean when you look at the F sixteen As fantastic as it is. And as incredible of a creation of, if you want to call it a creation of mankind as it is. It's still a second order event. God is still the one that created man able to think enough to create the F sixteen and created the raw materials that man used to create the F sixteen.
God created everything ex-nil out of nothing. You know, He's the only creator, true Creator of all things. And there is nothing and we know that there is nothing like God.
So, in other words, God says, Here, I'm going to provide for you all the elements needed. for ye to advance in this world of technology.
So take all of these that I've given you. Take the logic and the wisdom and the knowledge that I've given you and assemble it and see what you come up with, huh? Right, right. There was a scientist one time, a Christian scientist, that was talking about creation. And we're off on a little bit of a tangent here, but he used the example based on the probability that random processes created man or created the first cells out of some primordial goo, and then from that comes our lives today.
The the odds of that happening are basically like if a whirlwind swept through a junkyard and assembled a seven hundred forty seven in flight out the other side. It would be greater the odds, when you study the odds, it would be greater odds that, that was possible. then evolution is possible. I I know. It's I I remember oh I'm having one of my senior moments right now.
He was uh a scientist, was one of the noted scientists that those on the left always turned to. But, um, you know, he he spoke with a like well, kinda eye fist talked through his nose and Anyhow. I remember, I'll never forget one morning I was in another state and I was speaking. and I was getting dressed in the morning sitting on the edge of the bed, and I had the television on, and he he came on there and uh He said fifty billion years ago There was nothing there was no you, no me. There was nothing.
And then there was a klasmatic explosion. And out of that clasmatic explosion came everything.
So I'm thinking here logically, okay, I got it. Let's see, I've got let me figure this out. Fifty billion years ago. There wasn't anybody. and somebody that wasn't there because there wasn't anybody took an energy source.
And That didn't exist. And he ignited some material that wasn't really there, and out of that we have everything, right? I mean, because that's basically what he was was what he was teaching. And uh it's an amazing You know, in chapter three in your book, sorry, go ahead. No, you go ahead, sir.
I'm sorry. In your book, chapter three, entitled Small Errors. compound over time. You address the importance of a spiritual discipline. What similarities are are there between, you know, say drifting as a fighter pilot and then drifting as a Christian.
Yes. Hebrews chapter two, verse one says, therefore, we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it. And as a fighter pilot, when we took off to fly a low-level forty, let's say. as the speeds that we flew, if I was If I was just one degree off. Just one degree off.
And I flew that one degree off for one minute. At the end of that minute, I would be a mile off course. And so take that and compound it over the length of a mission. You know, you're so far off course by the time you get to the end of that mission that that the target is nowhere in sight. And so it was important that we constantly were evaluating our course, correcting back to course, making sure that we kept that margin for error razor thin, because hitting the target Uh meant being on course.
And as Christians, The scripture tells us to pay close attention to what we've heard, lest we drift away from it. If we don't pay attention, if we don't stay on course, if we allow some laziness or some small what we consider to be maybe a small error of God's Word, just an acceptance that isn't quite right, not a big deal in our minds maybe. But that little error over the lifespan of our lives It could lead us off course huge. And now think about that effect upon those that are coming after us, our children, and our children's children. If we accept these little errors in our lives, where will our children end up based upon the course that we've set and that we've allowed?
To take place in our lives. But so it's so important that we avoid drift. that you know few will Few will knowingly abandon price. Very few people wake up in the morning and go, today I'm just going to throw it all away. But we abandon Christ.
By little degrees at a time, we abandon our faith, we abandon the truth of God's Word. In little degrees at a time. And then finally, we find ourselves so far off course, we wonder how we got here. And so it's important that we pay close attention and we're always correcting back, looking at the truth of God's Word, relying on others to exhort us, to keep us on course. being in fellowship with other believers.
and the Holy Spirit's influence in our lives. Pay attention to those. means of grace that God has provided us. You know, everything you just said is exactly what I've been preaching on this week, what I preached on. Sunday.
Uh and it all comes down to you know, the title of the message is something that you should really know and uh Here uh we see what is taking place in our country. You know, you you say that you Um You know, are you surprised that thirty percent of the American Protestant Christians attend church weekly and only thirty two. Read the Bible, and even worse than that, You know, there's there's less than one percent actually hand out gospel tracts on a regular basis and Here we know that The Bible clearly teaches that judgment begins in the house of God, and in that house it begins in the pulpit. and no place, no place, no place. has our Lord been more dishonoured than from the pulpits of that's what so so called mainstream churches in this country today Uh there's been an extreme dearth of courage.
There never should have been There never should have been a Rover versus Wade. Never, okay? When God was expelled from the public school back in '62. See, all these years, we've been on the radio 51 years, and I've covered these things all of this time. And the pastors should have had, they should have marched.
I did go to Washington, D.C., there were 100 of our pastors. There should have been One hundred thousand. pastors there. They simply didn't have the courage. uh that they should have had the shown.
and if they had, our sewers would never have run red with the blood. You know, they say it's 65 million. It's way it's double that babies in this country that have been killed. In order, first of all, Tis to seek for forgiveness There's got to be repentance. The pastors really need to repent.
for not having the courage when they should have and And I've seen some and I've I've seen actually s some of that where Some of the pastors have admitted that and turned away and and they are starting to stand up and be bolder I'm s I'm being somewhat encouraged by some of the younger men. But but I'm saying this, that Uh Here With the The super big decline in. attendance at the churches I'm seeing. the churches that are surviving that are more Of your fundamental Orthodox churches going back to the Word of God, holding strictly, literally, to the Word of God. not often all this entertainment and uh you know, all of these strange things that, you know, that they've left For what do you think about all that?
Well, that's definitely a mouthful. I think that. Number one, as important as politics is, and as important as it is for Christians to be involved in the political realm. The solution of our country will not come from politics First and foremost. You know, God's form of government is from the inside out and from the bottom up, not from the top down and the outside in.
And so, as you mentioned, repentance and change starts in the church. I'm sure your listeners are familiar with 2 Chronicles 7:14. You know, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, Then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. It's the church. It's God's people that need to humble themselves and pray and seek His face and turn from their wicked ways.
If we want our nation healed, it begins in the house of God. It begins with God's people. God works through a minority. He always works through a minority. And as you mentioned, the faithful.
Number of churches out there and the faithful Christians that are out there. You know, he's sifting his church, he's calling those that are faithful. to himself and he will work through the minority to accomplish great things. if we will just obey his word and stay true to his word. That's one of the things I preach on the most.
Is making your salvation sure. Making your salvation sure. And uh, you know, that's got to to be with do with being a doer of the word and not just a hearer only deceiving yourself. We'll be right back after this. How the tears of joy shall flow and our smiles will.
Dream and flow. When those battle foes we fought for years finally fall from one last blow.
So don't Give up on hope to sunder before this day over. Just heave a sigh and try to All these teardrops from your eyes. Cause there's still time for me and you. There's still love See us through There's still minds that roll. Travel.
So much. We still can do So won't you choose, girl, to lose these moves and remember this, my friend, that it's not over, girl. Until we win It's not over till our adversary's done for the count. It's not over till the last bell rings. It's not over till the crowd stands up to scream and shout Until the big old friendly fat lady sees And as far as I know, we got a ways in to go.
So we might as well hang tough to the end. It's not Love. Girl, until we win. No. It's not over, girl, until we win.
Whenever I stop and think about the many times we faced impossible odds, when the hopelessness and despair felt so intense that we didn't think we could hold out any longer, yet time and again we were given the grace to overcome those odds and the courage to keep fighting the fight. What it proves to me is we've got angels watching over us, girl.
So if we can just keep our hope alive for a little bit longer and keep on believing in the promise that the truth will one day set us free, then there shall be a glorious future awaiting us. For I've read the end of the story, and it's not over until we win. Yeah, now there's still some. Time for me and you. Oh, there's still love.
To see us through, yeah, there's still miles of road. We've yet to travel, and so much we still can do.
So who should you live now? How to lose. Who's these blues and rainbows? But it's my friend, that it's not Yeah. Girl.
Until we win. No, it's not over till I return. The sir is down for the count. It's not over till the last bell rings. It's not over till the crowd sends us to scream and shout.
Until the big old smiling fat lady says And as far as I know. We gotta wait. Get to go.
So we might as well hang up till the end. Cause it's not over. Girl. Until we win. No, it's not over, girl, until We win.
It's not a win, girl, till we win. Yeah. It's not over, turn away from win. It's not all. It's not over, girl, until we win.
Until we win, until we win, until we win. It's not over, girl, until we win. Until we win, until we win, until we win. You'll find that in God's Word, the Bible. That's right.
He makes it very clear. We win, they lose. Anyhow, You're absolutely right. We're back. With Uh, Colonel Phil Cock would you want me to call you Colonel Phil or or Pastor Phil?
You can call me Phil. You can call me Colonel Cochrane or Colonel Phil, whatever you prefer, Surah. I'm not particular.
Alrighty, there you go. Uh okay particular? No, only kidding. Just don't call you that, right? You uh you were talking about the Grace Covenant Church there in Perkins, Oklahoma.
I had a really good friend who who's um Olvis ran out of Oklahoma there, Noah Hutchins. And Oah and I work. Yeah, he was a wonderful he was one of my heroes. Him and I, we were together for many, many years. and he went home to view the Lords several years ago.
But, you know, he uh he he he was on the radio for sixty two years. uh, had to I mean, he I think he said a r and he was a real hero too. No, no. You know, he got caught by the Chinese smuggling Bibles into China. And and and and it's only by God's grace that uh they let him go and didn't kill him.
So Anyhow, Yeah, Noah was quite a man. At the end of the chapter of No. on drift, you know, you there's three questions you have And they're they're a One Are are there small compromises in my life that seem harmless?
now, but will grow dangerous over time. Or what spiritual disciplines have I neglected that once kept me steady on course and then the third one you said was Oh. Who is who has permission in my life to point out drift and help me correct those courses Interesting questions. What brought those to you?
Well, you know, first of all, I'd like to say that if I can, the book is published by Church of Family Life, which is a wonderful ministry that focuses on building strong families and strong churches through the truth of God's Word. And Anybody can get a hold of this devotional at cf.life. It's also on Amazon. and also in the form of an app on the Apple App Store. And What you brought out is is interesting because each devotional is laid out with a scripture verse, a target verse, and then an analogy.
And then an explanation of that verse and the truth of God's word. with an application back to the analogy. And then it has these four Questions that people can ask themselves, these lessons learned, to apply it in their own lives and make them think about how does this apply to me? And then a prayer at the end that can help guide them in prayer. And so each of those questions, I think.
from the the lessons or from the analogy from the scriptural truth. They were just important questions for us to ask. I think the one you set out, you know, the last one there, number four: who has permission in my life to point out drift? and help me correct scores. You know, pride wants us to fly by ourselves, but the minimum fighting formation.
Of the F-16 is a two-ship. You know, you never launched a single ship to go into a fight, you always had a wingman. And as Christians, we need wingmen. And so many people today are watching church from home or not really involved in a local church where they're under the authority of someone else submitting to the guidance of a pastor, shepherd. And then also submitting themselves in covenant relationship with other believers.
And yet, Scripture is clear that we are called to exhort one another daily while it is yet the day, lest we are hardened by this deceitfulness of sin. And how can we exhort one another if we're not involved with one another? And if we're not allowing ourselves to have a wingman that can point out the drift in our lives, that can help correct us back to the proper course. And so I think it's a very important question for us to ask ourselves, especially in today's day and age, because we have a lot of loader Christians out there that probably need to be more involved with others who can help make sure they're on the right path.
Well, you're exactly right. And, you know, pride was the very first sin. It was pride that. Caused the iniquity to be to be found in little old Lucifer, which turned him into Satan. No, something amazes me and and what amazes me is, well, Peace.
The the total uh lack of common sense where it comes to scripture and What's happening today? You you're talking about pride there. Uh we have uh I'm watching one one particular T V station in our area as I watch, and that's like the Spectrum One. And there'll be people on there and They'll be professing Christians and they'll uh The ladies will be wearing, you know, the cross around their neck so it's very visible to show that they're they that they're Christian. or whatever, and yet they'll promote They'll promote sodomite pride you know, week.
I mean and it really promotes out of my pride month. And here You know We're Again Pride comes before the fall, and And the sodomy, the the very first time that that the word You know, was used. An abomination, an abomination, in fact. There's an old Hebrew definition of that, and that's the stench of rotting flesh in the nostrils of a holy God. Yeah.
And yet now they'll do this still. They'll say how wonderful it is the love they're showing at this Sodomite pride. And you saw what happened in Israel. uh there in Gaza and what happened um Right there at where Yeah. at the s the shores of the Dead Sea, where Sodom and Gomorrah were.
you had the world's largest sodomite. And I'll And do you know what they called they were calling that event? They were calling that event the Burning. How do you how do you wrap your your brain around that? I mean, a total dearth.
of of common sense. It's like It says in Isaiah chapter five Let's parade our sin in the face of a holy God and see what He does about it. Uh Too many people read the Word of God. You know, one of the things I had to study as I wanted to fly the F-15, and this is another one of my devotionals actually, that kind of leads into this. Warnings, cautions and notes.
The dash one was kind of the Bible of the F-16. It's what taught me what I could do, what I couldn't do, how the jet operated, how to keep it within its limits, what to do in case of an emergency. All of those things were contained in the Dash One. And in the Dash One, there were warnings. Things that I better know, or else it could cause loss of life or loss of the aircraft.
The recautions, things that could certainly affect the mission or affect and degrade the performance of the aircraft. And there were notes, the things that I just needed to know and would keep me safe and functioning well. And I had to know those and memorize those. And I couldn't make those up. They were in the Dash One.
I just needed to know them. And I didn't go to the Dash 1 with what I hoped it said about something. I went to the Dash 1 to find out what it said about something. And then I complied with whatever the Dash 1 told me to do regarding the F-16. Too many Christians approach God's Word as a suggestion, not as His authoritative guide and gift to us for how we are to lead our lives.
And the Word of God is, there is truth there. We don't make up that truth, we discover it. And the Bible speaks very clearly on sodomy. It speaks very clearly on pride, like you said. And neither of those two things are good in the sight of God.
No matter how much we want to say, well, it's all about love, the best way I can love someone. Is to teach them the truth of God's word and let that truth judge them and guide them to not only the judge. The forgiver of sins and lead them to Christ, which is the ultimate target of our mission here on this earth. We are to fly towards Christ. Our goal is to have more of Christ when we die than we have of this world.
And um Christians or or though we know in chapter seven of Matthew, right, that people will say, Lord, Lord, didn't I do this or that in your name? And he'll say, depart from me, for I never knew you. And there's going to be a lot of people When they come to that day of standing before Jesus Christ, who believed that they were. Christian But but in reality they were not children of God. They were believing in another Jesus who wasn't another at all, and just like another gospel that wasn't.
Another, but here you had. I remember a woman came to our church one day and And uh she was telling me that her God is a god of tolerance.
Okay.
Uh and that That he accepts you. Just the way you are. He doesn't expect you to change. He he accepts you just the way it is, and he's non-judgmental. I said, Really?
I said, Well, let me tell you about your God. Your God exists in your mind. The God you're going to stand before someday when it comes to sin. Is he's the least tolerant person that ever lived, okay? And when it comes to judging sin, Well It doesn't get he any better than him when it comes to judging sin.
So you're really confused in the But that is so prevalent out there today. It is. And what was dangerous about what she said, what so many people say, there's a little measure of truth in what she said. God does accept us as we are. We come to him empty handed.
We have nothing to the cross to bring, right, except for ourselves and our sin. But when we get up from that cross, and we walk on, God changes us. And he forgives our sins, and then he changes us and sanctifies us through our life until one day he will glorify us. you know, but we we come to Christ as we are. We can't clean ourselves up.
But once we come to Christ and we confess our sins and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Then our responsibility is to walk in accordance with His Word through the power of the Holy Spirit working in us. and to seek the Bible talks in terms of warfare, right, in terms of competition, in terms of discipline, we're to buffet our bodies, we're to run the race for the prize, we're to discipline ourselves for the purpose of godliness. And one of my devotionals applies to that. The way is narrow.
Jesus taught that the way is narrow, the gate is narrow that we walk through, and we should be feeling compressed. In our Christian lives. You know, I wore a G suit when I flew, and that G suit was for the purpose of compressing my legs and compressing my abdomen and my upper body to keep the blood in my head as I would pull G's because when you pull G's, the blood wants to drain from your head, and if that happens, you blackout and you can die.
So that G suit would would force that blood in the upper part of my body. But that juice it was not comfortable. It was uncomfortable. In fact, if it was if it was fit right, It was very uncomfortable. And you would zip it up at the last minute before you got in the jet because if you walked out to the jet with it zipped up, it was.
It was not fun. You know, so um but as Christians, we should be feeling that same type of compression. if we're not feeling the compression of God's word as it applies us, as it teaches us, as it helps us to strip sin from our lives, as it changes us and conforms us, to the image of Christ. If we're not feeling that compression, then we need to examine ourselves to see whether we're in the faith. because we should be feeling pressed upon by the Word of God.
Well, you should absolutely be in F uh President Bun and If you are saved, you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and if you have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you will have a burning desire to serve. To be a doer of the word, not just a hearer, deceiving yourself.
Okay.
As Scripture clearly says. You know, one of the questions you had, you were talking about was the. when you break the sound barrier of flying at seven hundred sixty seven miles per hour, Why does uh why does it make that sonic boom sound for those of us on the ground?
Well, the interesting thing is, is that that sonic boom is not a onetime event. It is making that sound as that shock wave is hitting the earth From the aircraft transitioning from subsonic, less than the speed of sound, to supersonic. All along the earth, all along its path, it's making that sound. It's just that you're in one place at one time.
So you hear it as one sonic boom. But if you could keep up with the jet as it's going across the ground, you would hear that as a constant boom. As it was going across the sound, as it was going across the ground. And that sound barrier, another analogy that came to my mind as I was teaching God's word in Second Corinthians, it talks about so we are always of good courage. We would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
I liken that sound barrier to the point of death of a Christian. You know, when I was in the jet. When I broke the sound barrier, I never even knew it until I came down and we always had a tape recorder playing of the mission so it would record what we did so we could debrief what we did and learn from it. And on that tape, you would see your airspeed, and I'd be like, oh, I was supersonic there. But in the jet, I never felt it.
Uh it it was so smooth going through the sound barrier. To those on the ground, it was a loud boom. It was a big shock, you know, a shockwave that hit them. And as as we lose loved ones, We're hit by that shockwave of death. you know, but for the person, for the Christian passing from death into life, eternal life with Jesus Christ.
It's like walking from one room to the next, like passing from one door to the next. Hardly even discernible. The Bible says to be absent of the body is to be present with the Lord. And I just think that that sound barrier is a wonderful example of the difference that the believer who passes. Into the presence of Christ experiences versus those loved ones that are left behind.
and what they experience when someone dies.
Well, you know, absent from the body present with the Lord, you're right for believers, but not so for unbelievers. Amen. I was looking in John chapter 6, the Lord Jesus talks about. those whom my father has given me. Those who my father has given him that he can, he would only, he would pray for those that his father had given him.
In John seventeen, he talks about those that the uh disciples that his father had given him, and then and then not just uh the Jewish people, but those that would would become, meaning the the Christians. uh the Gentiles would can and so My sheep hear my voice and they follow me. Absolutely, absolutely. you know, you there's one of the saddest things I think To me, the the biggest heartbreaking thing Is that there are people I know and I care very, very much for. And You know, It's like, well, yeah, I believe, but there's you don't see any fruit there.
In other words, they tell you they have a profession of faith. But you're looking for some evidence, right? Uh faith without works is what? It's dead being alone and uh Yeah. And they'll look you in the eye and they'll tell you, yeah, I'm saved.
I actually had a friend who passed away just this year, in fact. For many, many years, we were very close friends.
Well, he grew in the faith actually over the years, but When we were young. I've been very active from day one in the pro-life movement, okay. Um in fact, I was with D Doctor Wilkie here in the very beginning when he started with Ohio Right to Life. And when we made our mission statements and that, and we worked Uh, you know, for for I b I believe about since 1973, I've been active in the pro-life movement saving babies. And as uh the last account that we had was about twenty four thousand that This ministry was involved with saving over the years, of course.
And praise the Lord. That's been a you know, that's been over half a century. But here I remember one day he said Why do you why do you s spend so much time out there? Out there preaching to people that aren't listening to what you're saying, because I'd be out in front of those bloody abortion mills preaching heaven sweet and hell hot. And uh He said, All you have to do is get saved.
All you have to do is get saved and and you get in. And I thought, you're missing a whole point, you know. You you don't get it.
So You know, but I did see growth in him over the years. He he you know. uh you know, and of course we got separated and he moved out of state. I haven't seen him in a long time, and I just hope he continued to grow in the faith. But that's one of the things that really.
really concerns me more than anything is And that and those, like you said in Matthew 7, who have a profession of faith. They're they're deceived. Uh, they are th they they think they're saved. They don't understand. You know, they're they're cool as an You're trying to get through to 'em, aren't you?
One of the biggest lies that Satan was successful in getting into the modern church is. Walking an aisle and praying a prayer, and then you're in. You know, um, I do believe, obviously, in prayers of conversion, but But there's fruit that comes after that. And if you're just looking for fire insurance, Uh you're not a true Christian. We are called to be saved and then to serve and to submit ourselves to the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
And if you're not submitting yourself to His Lordship, uh then you're not one of his children. And that's something that that is A rampant error in the church today with those that will come and warm a pew, but live nothing of a godly life during their week.
Well, you're right, and one of the biggest heresies out there today that's resurfacing was. Around for a while and then But just in the past year or so I've had a number of people try to try to get me to let them come on this radio program and give em a platform to promote this universal salvation. Everybody gets saved that uh Uh and they they'll they twa take scripture and they twist scripture. um and pervert it to To make it sound like that, everyone's going to heaven. Everyone's going to get saved.
Okay? And. And they'll take John three sixteen totally out of context to to to try to promote that. And that is And and people You know, say I remember a fella telling me We try to warn people about Rick Warren. and his whole purpose driven life book.
I right from the beginning. In fact, Noah Hutchins and I. Right out of the shoot, before anybody else was talking about it, we were warning people about about that book, you know, the deceptions. It was Filled. and I had a fellow came to me and he brought with these books and asking me to to get him into the the prisons.
He's you're in the prisons and uh 'Cause we know for 45 years we had a death row ministry. We had a team of pastors. I was the that would go up to the prisons on death row and Yeah. And um So, anyhow, he wanted me to see if I could get this book, and I told him, This book is filled with deception. And I want to show him that.
And you know, he actually put his hands over his ears and said, I won't receive that. I know what I want to believe. I know what I want to believe. Uh button. That is sad, and that's You know, I I mean How do you get through to someone like that?
It's just uh Uh you know, it's amazing. It's Well But that's those are the things that we are the We are the aroma of Christ. And I I love the smell of jet exhaust. You know, the jet exhaust is is like sweet smelling roses to my to my nostrils because it brings back the memories of of being on the flight line on a crisp morning, getting ready to take off and break Break skyward and do all kinds of incredible things. And yet, to others, jet exhaust is putrid.
How could you enjoy the smell of that? And the same thing is true in our lives. We have the aroma of Christ, right?
So, to those who are being saved, it's a sweet-smelling aroma. And uh they're drawn to us and we're drawn to each other. But to those who are perishing, it's putrid and they want nothing of it. And that we can't help that. All we can do is proclaim the truth and let God sort it out.
We obey, and God makes the God works His will in the hearts of mankind. And that's our responsibility. Yeah, that that's a good way of looking at that. I've never thought about it that way. We're going to be coming up to um uh bre break here and and on the other side of the uh hour we're gonna flip and run into doing the national which Would you like to do two things?
Do you want to go through do some national news, just do some commentary for me? And uh I can Certainly, give it my best shot. And then I would like to have you give an invitation to tell the folks how. They can st stay out of that burning lake of fire and get to glory. That sounds good.
All right, very good. Yeah, we will we're coming up to that break. Uh, any minute now, any few seconds, I think we got about what We got about thirty seconds. And so we have with us here Lieutenant Colonel. or Pastor Phil Cochrane.
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