Adam Schiff: ‘I Don’t Regret’ Spreading Lies

Today on Sekulow, Adam Schiff launches a media blitz to defend the Steele dossier lies. Keeping you informed and engaged, now more than ever, this is Sekulow. Do you regret it? I don't regret saying that we should investigate claims of someone who, frankly, was a well-respected British intelligence officer.

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That's their own text message. And now your host, Jordan Sekulow. So we have Adam Schiff now. He's doing a Sunday show blitz in defense after we've learned all this information about the Steele dossier, the phony Steele dossier. The fact that the main source of the dossier has now been indicted by the FBI for lying to the FBI. He was making up this information with the Clinton campaign's top allies, including their top attorney who's also been indicted by the FBI. So this is, again, the idea that the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is going on national television, all the big Sunday shows, and defending the use of a phony dossier instead of allowing law enforcement to take it and dissect it. But instead, he got out ahead of it, and he was the one, remember, saying he had the information proving that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. And he would act like he had this smoking gun, but he was just relying on what has now been a completely debunked document. And the fact that we keep calling Christopher Steele well respected, remember the FBI fired him.

The FBI fired him, ceased their relationship because he was leaking to the press, and by the way, why would you still say well respected when he didn't do any backup research on this dossier to know that it was all lies? All lies. I want to play for you Adam Schiff so you can hear it on the Sunday shows. Do you have the mic up?

Let's play it. As chair of the House Intelligence Committee, do you regret giving some credibility to the Steele dossier before anybody had been able to verify anything in that? A lot of those clips were done before there was any good verification. Look, there's some news organizations that made the mistake of publishing this dossier without verifying it. That's a separate conversation for those news organizations. But you helped give it credibility.

Do you regret it? I don't regret saying that we should investigate claims of someone who frankly was a well respected British intelligence officer. They were partisan claims paid for by a Clinton law firm and was in opposition research and you had all those varying issues. But so right there it starts off with okay maybe problem when you're making this kind of accusation against the sitting President of the United States that he is a Russian agent claiming that you know that he is a Russian agent. And remember a special counsel gets appointed. Nothing comes of it.

Nothing comes of that. And then Adam Schiff rushes to support impeachment of President Trump over a phone call with 35 people on it. So of course he doesn't regret the Steele dossier.

He doesn't care about whether or not the impeachment was justified or not. It is taking intelligence, taking the work of the CIA, the FBI of a world which should be without politics and playing politics with it. Which is the worst you can do as a government official is take information that may or may not be true and then utilize it to take down your political opponents.

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It begins with the divisiveness of partisan actions by people like Adam Schiff, who were claiming that a person half the country wanted to be their President who won the election, fraudulently won, and was a Russian agent working with Putin. And had done all these horrendous, salacious, and unverified things. Now, it's not like they're just unverified.

It was totally false, made up. And we've known this, but now the media is beginning to accept that they were also wrong, and they're having to figure out what to do. But Wes, I want to go right to you, because Adam Schiff goes on these shows to defend his actions. And you noted something that you thought was most troubling about his behavior.

Yeah. I mean, even the Washington Post is acknowledging they made a mistake, and they got it wrong, and that their reaction to this was not right. Adam Schiff not only did these things, he's the chairman of the Intelligence Committee in the House, he knew the truth, the information. He knew about the flaws, the holes in Steele's dossier and the story. But when he's confronted on the Sunday talk shows, his behavior and what he did was, at the very least, very, very wrong, and he was very, very mistaken.

At the worst, he was conspiratorial. But when confronted, this is more alarming than what he did. There's no shame. There's no apology. There's no embarrassment. He could take a cue from the Washington Post and say, look, folks, I got it wrong.

I goofed up, and I'm sorry. There is none of that. It's one thing to lie and to exaggerate and to use flawed material like Schiff did. But what is more alarming is that when caught and confronted, he does not appear to feel any sense of regret or responsibility, not only for what he did and the influence it had in wrecking people's lives, but what he did to the American people. It distracted and divided us for the bulk of Trump's presidency.

Schiff does not feel normal guilt and responsibility. Jordan, that's almost psychotic. Yeah.

Let me tell you something. We were at the impeachment trial, and that first impeachment trial, which he led that team, and hyper-partisan, very nasty. Again, this wasn't about what was trying to do what was best for the country. At the end of the day, that was what was clear. It wasn't an actual fear.

It was a partisan divide. Because listen back to Adam Schiff. This is in 2017, and he talks about the dossier becoming public and other actions.

Take a listen. When you look at just what has become public, some of the public information is very much in line with what is reported in that dossier. This, Harry, goes back to the idea that he always acted like he had something else. But whatever he's saying was in line with that dossier, it was all a coordinated effort, and it was just smoke and mirrors.

I think that's correct. If you look at Adam Schiff's behavior, and if you look at his absence of regrets about hyping and about lying to the American people, I think it is clear that he, at least in my opinion, engaged in deliberate misrepresentations, particularly with respect to the dubious dossier. Adam Schiff loves to make explosive charges because he inhabits the world of fake belief. He stubbornly refuses to back down in spite of numerous indictments by John Durham, showing that the Russia collusion narrative is merely a tissue of lies grounded in fabrication. But rather than surrender to the truth, rather than backing down like the Washington Post has, Adam Schiff continues to offer absurdities consistently with Voltaire's great claim that pushing absurdities leads inevitably to atrocities.

And one of the most massive atrocities in American history has been the Clinton-inspired Russia collusion hoax. No one has done more to feed this narrative than Adam Schiff and the FBI. So while Schiff claims he has no regrets in giving credibility to the Steele dossier, he continues to insist that Christopher Steele is a well-respected British intelligence officer. It is clear, I think beyond question, that Christopher Steele is arguably only well-respected by preschoolers and toddlers. This is, Schiff again, I want to play by five, because this idea that, well, we didn't know, that it was all going to be a lie, everyone was, we were all saying that. And instead of just taking a reasoned approach to it, thinking about the issue, you kept pushing and pushing and pushing until we had a special counsel that had nothing.

By five. And we couldn't have known, of course, years ago that we would learn years later that someone who was a primary source lied to him. But what I just said with the clip you just played ends up being exactly right, which is Steele did reveal that the Russians were trying to help elect Donald Trump. That turned out to be all too true.

Okay. This idea, one, the fact is that that was not Adam Schiff's claim. Adam Schiff's real claim was that Donald Trump was working as an agent for the Russians. That his apparatus had been so infiltrated, they had made some deal with the devil, if you will, to become President and be a Russian actor. That is what he was selling to the American people. Not that Russia meddles in our elections. I don't agree with him that Russia was trying to help elect Donald Trump. I think what Russia loves is the fact that they could put out a phony dossier with some really nasty stuff in it and get a special counsel appointed and have the country on fire. I think that is where the Russians, if anyone was bamboozled by the Russians and played right into their hand of creating uncertainty in our country and questions in our country, it's Adam Schiff. I think what's important about Adam Schiff to note is that unlike many members of Congress, as the chair of the House Intel Committee, he could have received this information. Instead of running out to MSNBC, Wes, he could have said, we're going to investigate this. We have our investigative arm, we have our staff, the intelligence community, but we're not going to go public with this. We're not going to make this a public fight back and forth.

We're going to see if this is some really serious allegations and also some really nasty stuff. Let's actually do the job before we start this. That wasn't done. He deserves all the blame. He was the one who was acting like a Russian agent in many ways because he was doing their bidding.

Exactly. I mean, what you just described would have been the responsible thing to do for the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, but he's not a responsible person apparently. And what got me in his interview with Chuck Todd was whenever he was asked about this, his first response was, well, all I can tell you is the Duchanka, the Russian who has been indicted. He deserves to be indicted.

And I can also tell you that unlike Michael Flynn and Roger Stone, he will not be pardoned by this President. That has nothing to do with what happened. It has nothing to do with which the reporter asked him.

That has nothing to do with that question. And so when he did that, I thought, wow, what a smokescreen. What a deflection. And I think this is where the American people are absolutely fed up with the disingenuous and the dishonesty of people like Adam Schiff. And it's going to be reflected in our elections. They're tired of the lies and the distortions. And the reason the American people are tired of this is because normal people, normal American people, they do not operate with this level of clever deception and the parsing of words in order to get around the truth. Politicians, some of them do operate that way.

Adam Schiff is the poster boy for people who operate with that level of deception and the parsing of words and trying to deceive people in order to follow a political objective. And that's exactly what he did. He would have more integrity and more respect from the American people if he would simply say, you know, I did wrong. I shouldn't have done it. I was mistaken. Some level of apology, but it is not forthcoming.

Well, this is a question to you. Do you believe Adam Schiff, instead of saying, you know, he doesn't regret, they instead say, I do regret because it's not that he has to love Donald Trump or love Republicans, but what it did to the country and what it plunged the country into, which was never ending. And it's still going on today. That's why I mentioned this high profile trial going on. These issues facing and, you know, the nation on fire literally all starts because, again, fast and loose with info and intelligence and phony intelligence.

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Give a gift today online at ACLJ.org. This is Breaking Now. It shows you where we should be focused as a nation when it comes to threats or issues from either adversaries or those who are at least in competition with, like the Biden administration likes to say. So this is breaking from CNN. The U.S. Space Command is aware of a debris-generating event in outer space. They're actively working to characterize the debris field and will continue to ensure all space-faring nations have the information necessary to maneuver satellites if impacted.

They continue on. The U.S. is, quote, very concerned about a major Russian anti-satellite weapons test. I guess that's what would cause the debris-generating event would have been kind of an explosion or some kind of weapons firing over the weekend, and the State Department is preparing a statement. That's two U.S. officials to CNN.

One, there you have real issues. I know space can feel abstract for some of us because if you're not, again, in that field, you still seem pretty far away. But it is very active for all of us. I mean, our broadcasting, so much we rely on, and our focus as a country should be on these kind of issues and threats posed that cause threats to our infrastructure in space. And the fact is, I found it interesting the way CNN reported this is, you know, the U.S. Space Command, as if that's just a given, that was mocked. It's a branch of the military now, and it's being developed, still in some ways being developed, but they're already taking the lead on these matters. And it was President Trump who decided, we have to then do this.

This used to be its own branch of the military. That's how serious we're taking this kind of new frontier in the world of superpowers. And he was mocked. And yet, the Russians taking real action, they're causing real problems, but we were spending all of our time on a phony dossier and issues like that. Yeah, we're totally distracted from the things that are not only important to the American people, but things that are vital to our national security. I mean, this is part of what we've tried to avoid for two generations, and that is the weaponization of space. And you're right, the Democrats roundly criticized Donald Trump for creating the Space Force.

It was the topic of mocking by late-night comedians, you know, all through that time period. And yet, this is a real serious issue, a real serious threat. Whatever the Russians did over the weekend, apparently they did not count on the debris field being a threat to other satellites, to not even mention the International Space Station.

You know, in war, you could cripple a nation by taking out their satellites, and not only cripple their military, but their civilian population as well. I think the seriousness of this cannot be overstated, and we'll wait and see what is actually happening. Yeah, I mean, Kathleen on YouTube wrote in on Schiff, Adam Schiff's bold face lied to Americans numerous times after each session of the impeachment, the media went right along with him. The media is starting to put out corrections. Even some outlets have corrected every story, the way that they were reporting the information as not debunked, and as almost fact, the way it was put out there. And it was like the question before the country was not like if it was true or not, it was whether or not the President should still be the President, and whether or not this is something to remove the President over. You know, we're past that, but these actors have no regrets for what they, literally that's their own words, no regrets for what they plunged the nation into. And of course, we fought back, and you all know that, and the truth wins out ultimately, but the damage that's done in the meantime, that's not done.

That's not something fixed. You know, as a country, we hear about all these things every single day, but what drives still the national discussion are the most divisive issues, and everything becomes partisan, and I think a lot of this started there. It wasn't so much issues. It wasn't like Adam Schiff was like, oh, Donald Trump's not socially liberal enough, and this and that.

It was, they didn't like someone outside of their world coming into Washington, D.C. And by the way, I'll say mostly partisan, plus the bureaucracy, which is pretty partisan as well. So again, we're going to continue to update you on this. I do want to segue into another very important issue that we're working on with the ACLJ.

When we come back, second half hour coming up, we're going to get into a lot more. But we are doing a joint status report in court today on our FOIA with the Department of Health and Human Services on the fetal tissue research. Those are aborted babies that are then utilized in government-funded research. What was interesting, what we are trying to figure out is the funding continuing, what kind of moral considerations, legal considerations are going into that, the creation of the humanized mice with, again, using aborted children's tissue. And while that's going on, what we did uncover, and again, this is just kind of the information that doesn't always get highlighted, was that the last time we received a lot of documents in October, it was clear that the Trump administration and the officials were actually working to cancel the contracts for any of these body parts and experiments.

So right there, again, you had the right thing being done by the Trump administration. The credit, again, this issue shouldn't be so divisive. I think to me, Wes, this is kind of as well as gut check issues as a nation. Scientific research, I know that there's people on both sides of this issue, some who kind of say, well, it's being done and so why don't we just utilize it already.

But if you truly believe that this is human life and not just a blob, which I think this kind of proves to some extent, because if you can use these aborted children to do all this research, well, does that show you that it's not just some fetus, but that there's human life there, or else these experiments wouldn't work. But part of our approach on this is looking at the moral justifications for it. Yeah, I mean, as we've discussed on this show many, many times, this is the moral issue of our time. It truly is. We actually are having debates and discussions about when it is acceptable to kill an innocent human being. And this idea of taking the body parts from the human being once the human being is killed is unconscionable.

It should be a shock to all Americans that we're even having the discussion and that there are people who are actually for this. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, so that is, again, an update for you. I think it's important for you in this first half hour why these issues are so important because they're core to us at the ACLJ. This is something that's so important to our mission. So as we kind of approach this last minute before we come back for our second half hour, I just want to underscore that your support for the ACLJ is why we're able to, in just this first half hour, be directly involved in all these issues. It's not just, we're not reporting on information.

We've got first-hand knowledge. We're either doing the legal work in court. We were either at the impeachment directly across from Adam Schiff fighting back on this.

These are still very real issues. And then, of course, moving forward with all the issues that we're working on at the ACLJ. This is a great time to support our work. You can double the impact to your donation at ACLJ.org. That's ACLJ.org. Double your impact to your donation.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. I would like your comments on what is very important. President Biden will be meeting as a virtual meeting, but it's kind of what they're calling the first face-to-face with President Xi in China. And remember, this is after he has been installed as this lifelong forever leader. The Communist Party in China has given him this title. It's only Mao, one other Chinese official, and now President Xi who has this.

He has not left China much at all to travel, solidifying his grip there. At the same time, we know there are so many issues with Chinese actions all over the world, and we know that the administration's idea has been that it is not to confront, but it is to compete. So my core issue with that, Harry, when we're dealing with these supply chain issues and the kind of infrastructure, real infrastructure issues, is that you cannot compete with someone who breaks all the rules. There has to be a rule book. Then you can compete. You can compete with someone who has rules, but they don't follow rules on intellectual property. They steal the technology. I think we are just starting to finally feel the effects of making these deals for cheap labor, and then we don't have the production capability here to make the chips that we need to keep phones going, new car production.

I mean, the list goes on and on. The national security threats posed in Taiwan. So this meeting, again, we'll know more tomorrow after the meeting, but for me, they kind of play down the stakes.

It's about competition, but this is about as high stakes as it gets. It is, and the stakes would even be higher if we had a President who was prepared to confront Chinese dominance in so many areas. He's unwilling, in my opinion, to confront China's offensive moves against Taiwan. He's unwilling to confront China with respect to copyright and intellectual property violations.

He's unwilling to confront China with respect to fair trade. And keep in mind, this is all taking place against a backdrop of a supply chain crisis. And so I think at the end of the day, the Biden administration's announced policy of being prepared to compete rather than confront basically paves the way for increasing dominance by China. So what we need in the White House, what we need in Congress are government officials who are indeed prepared to confront to ensure, for instance, that the Chinese do not commit human rights violations. And if they continue to do so, we should declare that we are unwilling to import parts and other items from China. But as a predicate to that, I think the Biden administration, they need to get their act together in the United States so that we produce more pharmaceutical products in the United States. So we are less dependent on China. But at the end of the day, I think the Biden administration is prepared to double down on its policy of a craven surrender to China on so many fronts. And I think that's appalling. As we go to the next break, let me ask you this, because Jen Psaki said there's going to talk about a broad range of issues, but President Biden certainly not going to hold back on areas where he has concern. Do you believe that?

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That's 1-800-684-3110. And by the way, is genocide something you're just concerned about? Because that's not something you just have questions about. His State Department has confirmed the ongoing genocide of Muslims in China. Think about that. For all those Democrats out there, they love to claim Islamophobia, this and that.

It is Muslims in China. We call it out. They acknowledge it.

I guess it's just a concern. 1-800-684-3110. We'll be right back. At the American Center for Law and Justice, we're engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom, protecting those who are persecuted for their faith, uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy, and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress, the ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support.

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Alright, welcome back to Two Secular. We are taking your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110 as we kind of multi-topics and kind of setting up the week. So as the President prepares to meet virtually again, but his face-to-face meeting later on today with President Xi in China. And it's the first time, they said they've only had two phone calls since President Biden has been President of the United States. He sometimes references past conversations at work as vice President. But as President, only two phone calls.

This is the first official, I guess they're calling it like a meeting. And you know, we have the COVID issue. We have the genocide issue. We have the Chinese aggression issue in Taiwan.

We have, I mean the list goes on and on and on. But one of the issues we also see is in the Middle East. And how this all ties together because this Chinese expansionism of their foreign policy, but also their military work, their security work, trying to undermine long-term U.S. relationships. Not just in the region of the world where they operate, but you know, moving over into the Middle East.

Now I want to say this. This is at a time when Ilhan Omar has got a proposal in Congress to stop a $600 million funding bill to the Saudis. Now we have bases in Saudi Arabia. It's not that the Saudi Arabians are perfect.

And again, you're not going to find perfect governments in anywhere in the world. But certainly for our security, for our interest as a nation, it plays a very strategic role. They've played a very strategic role also in bringing down the tensions and the kind of, if you will, the flame that can be lit quickly in the Middle East. By, again, not playing up concerns with Israel, but instead these smaller Gulf states were the ones who moved forward with peace agreements with Israel. Those were not states that in the past would have been able to take a lot of independent action if they thought that that would have ruined their relationship with Saudi Arabia. So I think what is behind Ilhan Omar's proposal is, one, she doesn't like the Saudi kingdom. She doesn't like the royal family there. And she doesn't like their actions in Yemen specifically, where it's a failed state and I'm sure there are bad actions on both sides. But you've got Iran backing a rebel group that just took over our embassy, by the way. And she wants the Saudis, who are involved directly in this, because the Iranian backed rebels in Yemen, who, while fighting the government that still exists in Yemen, it's basically become a Sunni-Shia war. It is.

I mean, not just basically. But, you know, they also filed rockets into Saudi Arabia. So when you have bases somewhere, you don't just start taking your funding away. Wes, you talked to Secretary Pompeo last week about how China was making a move in.

I want to play this for people just to have a flashback of our own show by 26. We see Saudi Arabia really engaging with China and backing away from the US. And oh, by the way, we removed our Patriot missile batteries from Saudi Arabia. And we've suspended some of our weapons contracts for their own defense. And yet we wonder why they're backing away from us. Do you see any play between those issues?

Wesley, they're deeply connected. You raise a really important point. When I was a secretary of state, one of the most important tools that I had in diplomacy was American energy, countries that wanted American LNG. They didn't want it from the Russians.

They wanted it from the United States of America because they could counter rely on it. Now the Biden administration has walked away from that. They've walked away from our important partners, the Saudis, the Emiratis in the Middle East in ways that are unconscionable. This will put America at real risk.

It will force those countries to make really difficult decisions and it reduces security for us right here at home. I think a key point there, Wes, is that we used to lead the world. We had the best. You didn't want to buy Soviet equipment if you didn't have to.

If you had to rely on that, maybe you did. But if you could have US equipment, that was the gold standard. It is still the gold standard. It is a way we were able to broker part of the Abraham Accords through US military equipment, defensive equipment. The idea now that the Chinese equipment is, I would say it's essentially on par with where we are in the United States, but it's not Soviet era.

It's not something that you can just say, well, we don't have to worry about. These countries are starting to look and say, well, if you take it from us, we'll look here. And China's ready to play that role.

They absolutely are. And what we're doing, we are disenfranchising our allies like Saudi Arabia and pushing them towards the arms of the Chinese government. I mean, just very recently, in the last two weeks, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, who's their de facto leader, had his first high level meeting with Chinese officials.

Why? Because of part of what Mike Pompeo and I were talking about. We have removed our Patriot missile batteries from Saudi. Those are defensive missiles designed to protect not only the Saudi military, but the civilian population centers.

We pulled them out. We have suspended arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Do we wonder why they are leaning now towards China? And just to add insult to this crazy foreign policy injury, just a couple of weeks ago on a CNN town hall, President Biden was talking about the high price of gasoline because he's been begging Saudi and the OPEC nations to increase production to bring the gasoline prices down because not only are the gasoline prices high, but that's fueling global inflation. And of course, the Saudis thus far have refused to do that. Here's what President Biden said.

There's a lot of Middle Eastern folks who want to talk to me, but I'm not sure I'm going to talk to them. And he goes on and makes this not so veiled reference to his refusal to meet with Crown Prince Salman. He has actually refused to sit down with the Saudi Crown Prince. And yet, does he even wonder why the Saudi Arabians are now leaning towards China? Why their very existence in the defense of their population centers depends on our weapons that we have suspended and removed? Omar wants to further penalize Saudi Arabia.

Is there any move by Omar or any of the squad to penalize Iran for supplying the weapons there in Yemen, weapons that frequently are targeted on civilian population centers in Saudi Arabia? It's like there's an epidemic of insanity as far as foreign policy goes around this White House. And it impacts not only our national security, it impacts commerce, trade, inflation, our finances. And it's sad to say, but the ramifications, the second and third order effects of these policies by the Biden administration appear to be going right over their heads. They don't understand why our former allies are still our allies. But our allies in the Middle East are hesitant about the United States and that they're backing away from us and moving towards Russia and China. To me, Harry, where everything went wrong with China is that at first it was, well, it's just an economic battle, it's not a military battle, they're not really spreading an ideology.

Listen, that was kind of going away. Since then, they weren't really ready yet. Initially, I remember we were doing our work in Africa and they were doing work there. Again, it would kind of feel that way. They were really just doing it for the business. There wasn't much of an ideology coming behind it. Or a military side to it.

There was anything too serious. But what they were doing the entire time was building up to that point. They were putting in the infrastructure, the key word that everybody likes talking about these days, but they were building the ports throughout the world.

They were putting it, they were getting the technology, using the forced labor. And they, in a sense, have started, I kind of turned a new leaf with exporting a kind of, whether or not, it's not their brand of communism, because what these countries love is that they still say, we're not really meddling in how you want to do your business. But, by turning a blind eye to everything and everyone, and if you can start producing the kind of products, materials, or labor, military weaponry that these countries desire, and it may be that that's getting better and better so it's more of competition with us, suddenly you can become pretty attractive to these countries who can't really put a figure on or trust where the US policy is.

I think that's precisely correct. So if you look at the country of China, China believes in a whole of country approach rather than simply a whole of government approach that apparently the Biden administration favors. So China has a unified goal. Its objective is world domination in virtually every aspect of human life, from the supply of electronics, from the supply of chips, from the supply of pharmaceuticals. And now they're extending their dominance in Africa, in Asia, and various other parts of the world. Why?

Because the United States has basically given up influencing many areas of the world. And so I think at the end of the day, we are without weapons in fighting the Chinese, not because we don't have weapons, but because we lack the will to win, we lack the will to put the United States first, and that unfortunately is Biden's gift to the American people. Alright folks, final segment coming up. A lot to get into here, and obviously a lot of information that we will be able to get after the readouts of this, but we know this is not a one-day issue, this is not a two-day issue, this is a multi-year approach, and it's a problem. A real serious threat to our country. If you've got questions about it, if you've got comments on it, 1-800-684-3110, support our work at ACLJ.org with our matching challenge the entire month of November.

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But if you're in that financial position to make a donation, this is the time to do it at ACLJ.org. Wes, I want to go back to some of these issues that we're dealing with with China. The idea that our own military said that the pace that China's moving at is stunning.

I just want to kind of break that down for people because this goes back to what I was talking about with Harry. How China was viewed just a decade ago was very differently. It was still kind of cheap labor.

Yeah, they're not really morally kind of vague, to say the least. And yeah, they're doing things around the world that we don't love, but they're not a threat militarily. Economically, maybe. Maybe too much reliance. But then, you jump forward 10 years later, it's not a military threat.

Yeah. They have the largest navy in the world now. Some of their weapons and their technology is not quite as sophisticated as ours, although they're moving rapidly towards that. But the largest navy in the world, they're expanding their ICBMs, their nuclear missiles. And General John Hyten, the vice chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made that statement that you just quoted.

The pace at which China is moving is stunning, he said. They recently, as you know, tested their hypersonic nuclear capable missile. And General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, was asked about that missile test, which is designed to go into the atmosphere, come back in so rapidly that our own defensive missiles cannot target it so they can hit anywhere that they choose to target. And Milley said the Chinese military capabilities, that the missile is just one concern, that their capabilities, General Milley says, are much greater than that. They're expanding rapidly in cyberspace and in the traditional domains of land, sea and air. And the thing about China is that they not only are increasing their military capability, but they have the political will to be aggressive, whether it's in economics and trade, in their violation of human rights or in the military. They not only have increasing capabilities, they have a leader and the Communist Party that are willing to be aggressive regarding those capabilities. And this is not a threat that we can look the other way on.

And I hope that when President Biden talks to President Xi today in this virtual conference, that he is keenly aware of what is at stake here. Harry, one thing I feel with China is that there's still a huge opportunity for the United States, and that is that we kind of created this monster with economically. If we decided to invest, and again, not in a partisan way, but to be able to either take, if the manufacturing can't be done here, invest in an ally, not invest in someone that you say, oh, we're not confronting, but we're competing. Because they still, the Chinese Communist Party, really in a unique way, because it's called the Chinese Communist Party, is there because of us. They've got these resources because of the wealthiest nation in the world is so reliant economically on their goods and their services.

I think that's correct. And in addition, the wealthiest nation in the world is blinded by its own ideological abstractions. So rather than focus directly on China and see China and its government as a threat, we prefer apparently to put our head in the sands and say, we don't have to confront China. We simply have to compete with China as if China is following the rules. China is not following the rules.

In addition to that, of course, if you look to the infrastructure bill, which just passed, if a large fraction of that was devoted to enhancing our competitiveness with China, this would be a huge step forward. Unfortunately, we refuse to move down this track. All right. So what we're going to track, obviously, is the meeting later on today. And we'll continue to bring that information.

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