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Democrats' Next Move: Double The IRS

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November 9, 2021 12:00 pm

Democrats' Next Move: Double The IRS

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November 9, 2021 12:00 pm

The Biden Administration is pushing for a budget reconciliation mechanism that allocates $80 billion more to the IRS over the next 10 years. It would also mean 87,000 new enforcement agents. This is an agency already proven to break the law and illegally target political enemies. Nearly doubling the IRS' resources will allow them to target citizens and political enemies at a truly frightening scale. Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss. This and more today on Sekulow .

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What's the next move. Double the size and power of the iris. Now, Sharon posted, call one 800-6843 11 secular talk a lot about the IRS of their directors of the $600 transaction. The $2000 transaction. There was opposition to that from a Democrat Sen. Joe Blanchard what he has expressed opposition to yet in the reconciliation, the larger the with the by the ministration calls the bill back better plan is that while they may have stripped out for now. The what levels they could use without having to go to court to get inside your bank account with your transactions.

They are not moving away and they're not receiving the same kind of opposition within the Democratic Party. MAA you heard that right doubling the size the IRS weight budget reconciliation mechanism. What would this be it would be $80 billion over 10 years the IRS 87,000 new enforcement agents. This is to go after Americans is to go after middle America because the top the top people in the tax bracket.

The IRS's reviewer.

They met the staff to do that just to put this in perspective that the IRS right now. It's budget is his biggest 11 to half billion dollars. This would give it another eight to half billion dollars youth, almost doubling the NT that is the Internal Revenue Service, and it does this for tenure. And when what is really troubling here in this bill is that while the $600 threshold may be eliminated were looking at that right now and on to make sure that that state that will get an update from Pam Bennett, you get 87,000 new agents in your library I earned her the top 123% are already being looked at much an annual situation for those kind of orders but the average taxpayer that that middle America, which is most people this is can increase the IRS's ability to be intrusive into into your lives. Take that, also with the fact that the same bill has a provision in it that also scripts any kind of of this funding. That's good to go to infrastructure cannot go to religious institutions so we can go to a church that needs to know increase its childcare facilities that help its local community can't go to a synagogue so this bill is chock-full of problem with the top of the problem courses $8 billion to the IRS a year doubled. In essence, you know 80% of budgets increase I think it's going to create nothing but havoc.

We know what the intent was to do what they we'll at this legislative history as we know what the intent was the intent was to get into everybody's individual checking account and what we are hearing now at the right to Washington DC as they believe that if they get this increase in size. They got this kind of staff they could effectively accomplish what they wanted to do with that $600 or $10,000 a year aggregated they could do that through regulatory and regulation least try to do that. Of course, with this new agents they could go through the legal process to be it. We would be, but by danger phase the harassment of somebody Americans who would not usually have to face this this kind of scrutiny because they don't have the kind of money moving around that would usually trigger any kind of IRS action is just another way of accomplishing the exact same thing. Jordan you talk about the $80 billion plus up for the IRS out of that 80 billion, Jordan, about 45 million would be targeted for enforcement and used. To hire approximately 87,000 new ages to get this to you during it's a little bit scarier even than that. I did some back of the envelope math here.

If that $45 billion was used to hire 87,000 agency with the annual budget for each of those agents would be to enforce tactfully be about $515,000 for every one of those agents torn it back if that's not another way of accomplishing the very same thing. I don't know what is right. Folks retake your cause of this. What hundred 684-3110. I think I watched this very carefully. There's lots bad record to reconciliation a great deal. It's ridiculous, but this, this will affect a lot of people. If the irises doubling its size every trace of you have a lot interaction with the IRS.

You may very well wake up soon. With this we do IRS agents.

Everybody's dealing with lately. Where you talk about this retake your calls.

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Maybe the pickup be on hold for three hours to deal with the IRS or the get back your tax returns. They have a law about that but yet you use covert excuse but that's to put it that this agency, this insight is the REIT is the way to fix the DMV double the size don't do any reforms don't change any of the of the of the actual mechanisms just throw more money at it and more more more bureaucrats at it and add that and see the mess that that will cause the American people. That's a small provision so they don't really care too much about actually servicing you, the taxpayer who who should be able to contact your government, especially the IRS, who we all interact with lids $44 billion for enforcement.

They had $27 billion for operations support for that force with in 4.7 billion for business systems modernization go over and there's an additional 498 million to the Department of Justice tax division, which is different than the Treasury Department's tax division to enforce federal laws against tax evasion by pursuing civil and prosecuting criminal violations and what they are trying to do that is created new poll new pool of people that would be subject to the random audit by the IRS that usually would not be in the income levels are so I think it hit home. It's up to everybody because even small business owners who bite the your real small business that is not doing the kind of revenue that would usually be on the radar of the current agents of others get to be 87,000 new ages looking for work to do not like it was really Creating an agency within an agency mean nothing to me. Part of the problem here and I get to be realistic and what that means and what that means is that you can have a whole new bureaucracy created inside the Internal Revenue Service put on top of that, that we know what their intent was what was the intent. Intent was to lower threshold on cash transaction or expense transaction to $600 which puts every American in the country in that bracket would've been able to get them what they call the look and they would not look without a search warrant without probable cause, so that you know eliminating that provision.

So instead what they're doing is creating an entire new bureaucracy that will go through the administrative state steps necessary to start auditing everybody that they can and we know they target people we know they target people because we we saw them target the tea party group in the conservative group that is soon as the new administration within they start targeting again a group called Christians and gave no crime. Kelly Shackelford handled that I got that tax exemption finally resolved in the letter to the taxpayer that was totally outrageous to me just totally outrageous date with the legend was that I met Republican W word of God. I mean it with the back of the earth was even writing these things is enough to make you understand that what they were trying to do here that we have a court order a consent decree that said they cannot do it.

They did it anyways. Now we had issued a FOIA to the IRS and they are fighting back very aggressively and we are to about we got rates that are to be doing this very shortly that are being worked on. Right now, so bring it to the bottom of the pressure on. This is what happened and I think that if Prof. Hutchison's down there in this video I like to find out anything from policy standpoint, Harry, what were talking about here. I mean take a look at increasing this bureaucracy, almost doubling it doesn't do anything to me except cause more problems.

I think that's correct. So essentially what the Democrats are proposing here in the so-called build back better program is they are trying to legitimize the targeting of virtually all Americans. That's number one number two they have placed Christian organizations in their crosshairs for selective mistreatment and I think this particular case in the foyer that we have file illustrates that body. If you also look deeper into the bill. The bill also provides funds for a number of secular organizations and explicitly excludes religious organizations that decision by the Democrats to place that particular provision in the bill is arguably contrary to the Supreme Court's teaching and Trinity Lutheran and so I think at the end of the day what we are seeing is hostility to working-class Americans hostility to Christians and other religious groups, and at the end of the day what do the Democrats want. They want to control each and every aspect of our lives. I want to jump in on something that Harry just said that. I think it's very relevant to our discussion that is we talk about this at provision that basically opts out without any request to be opted out, a religious institution receiving federal funds or just because a religiously Institute religious institution and have a sectarian mission. That to me is totally as Harry set unconstitutional and I will tell you this.

If this bill becomes law. We would be prepared to challenge that on behalf of churches and synagogues. Other religious institutions that feel like a big but then sis they led the Parkway practice just sent a note to me. I maybe call us during the break here during a commercial break and said that this administration is the most hospital. We had a deal with on these boy requests of this is what we know what were dealing with here and practice obligation or this restriction stays in the bill and as a relates to religious institutions. I think we be prepared to challenge, but what's the kind and what happened to those going on right now will just this week a couple days ago. The house passed the rule to consider the bill in the House of Representatives now either listeners have probably been following a lot of the news is reporting that negotiations in this bill are taking place between Pres. Biden and Sen. Joe mansion Vijay they've not been able to arrive on it on a package that can sort of pre-clear the sentence to Speaker Pelosi has taken a different strategy. Now she's actually adding things back into this building Joe mansion does not like he's doing that in order to get the votes of the progressives in her caucus. The AOC's of the world have the receipt or to lead to the world and J as she is aiming to take a vote on this bill, and by the way the price tag when she takes a vote on it is good to be north of $2 trillion, not the 1.75 trillion that bind and mansion agreed on. She's aiming to take that vote in the House of Representatives next week. J now if she's able to get it through the house. That would send it back to the Senate, where again the negotiations with Joe mansion would become relevant and theoretically if he reached a deal with the President and altered the bill in some way to get back to a size that he was comfortable with. They could pass it in the Senate and send it back to the house which would be forever short of a take it or leave it vote NJ. I can't go through all of those machinations just to say people should not take this for granted because there are things being put into the bill as we speak. There are things coming out of the bill as we speak and the absence of this IRS provision should not give people any rest that this bill is not is just as threatening as was before was in there.

It's changing as we speak.

It could clear the house for the last time I've really been able to stop in the house as soon next week said yes there is runway ahead of the J, it is moving closer to the finish line and we've got to remain vigilant. It's interesting we I want to play this because Christine on Facebook or does the IRS and Congress really think with this oblivious to their plans and what you listen to the deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the Treasury Department, which oversees the IRS the Tosha stared by three information reporting were an important part of the complaints and find out anything without them there so I won't be able to do some way into a separate income streams and all that aggressive the next q. week Derek. Warner Carter ordinary Canadian along with a questionnaire widening Sen. Warren and many others to try and get this past the finish line Airways that we can get Aaron to be able to provide the IRS information and resources fundamentally overhaul over the open income sources the people who are I get a $10,000 in aggregate spending that is that's not opaque. This is not that much trade dollars a month that much money so the IRS has to kind of figure out if he were to be in the prioritizing of prioritized big's bigger transactions for transactions questionable to quote countries that are on the list of concert. I think it makes sense calling that the average American opaque with their income and their resources is absurd. The way they try to fight is likely entire countries will put billionaires or sets a incorrect and be we know the target. If the American people. They said it because in the original bill they wanted that 600 you know dollars transaction is at the kind of a link for the whole thing. This is in any great surprise. This is exactly and precisely what they want so you know that it would not by just doubling the size of that institution. I have set off and I'll say it again. The IRS is incapable of self-correcting there institutionally incapable. This is just going to add fuel to the fire. I think in the case of the Christians engage case that was a pretty example of that. Not being able to self-correct every picture because we come back to 100 684 31 pivot to target a Christian group and to say well because your based on biblical values. We think you're part of the departing department in the in the appendix Republican so you're really just a Republican group because your religious and probably of conservative beliefs and we look this is a look at it a theology to determine your politics that you know if it's read this letter classes. How many times who else is being treated this way because usually everyone to speak up will be right back only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable.

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A simple kind of filing, but that that you don't while the Republicans in the trumpet industry should try to continue to simplify the tax code by raising the standard deductions and items like that make it make it easier that most people are trying to comply and try to do the right thing or not tax cheats that criminals in this country criminalizes everybody and make it with people don't have the resources to fight back will, of course, we know that because we know what they were trying to do. So you're right so most people, the vast majority of Americans comply with a voluntary tax system would be have ongoing dealings with the IRS right now you know how difficult that is in the how difficult it is to get a response how difficult it is. Most of its automated we don't even know if the agents are in their offices. Yet, in light of covert. So now you add another layer of bureaucracy. When you hire all these new agents that come in out of them to be trained and what they targeting that half $1 billion of the Department of Justice is anybody believe right now that the department just as they have a major tax fraud case. Tampering that case they can't. This is this is not real. I had this happen once when I was in the Ira.

We had a case and it was was less than $10,000 and I could tell it was driving this family really hard and hurting them.

It was over an educational expense deduction for child that had special needs and is back in the 1980s and I went to my boss's office. My brother Margaret the treasury lawyer I went to my boss's office and said can I settle this case.

Please because this is really bothering this family and we need to get this resolved and we did okay. My boss was a compassionate guy was a smart guy and was enough basis upon which we could settle the case out and settle it for something family could afford. Here's the problem.

This is not what this is, those days are going. This is an agency, we know what happened is that you would see what I so politicized now your weapon rising IRS with an $8 billion increase per year, $80 billion over 10 years.

Your weapon rising this institution already has problems I go back to what Ariel after this again if you look at this a policy standpoint pouring money on a system that doesn't work doesn't make that system now work. It does not, and I think your analysis is spot on. On the other hand, you, you should keep in mind, and blisters should keep in mind that this is driven largely by ideology is not driven by efficiency and so for many of the Democrats basically unleashing the IRS.

For instance, to go after church is to go after working-class individuals. This is part of a religious experience that they are have engaged.

Keep in mind what the deputy press secretary suggested that the Biden administration is pursuing transformational change, no one can define what transformational change is apart from a religious experience.

And so for many of the Democrats who is the source of their religious experience. It's the government and so at the end of the day build back better is all about one thing and one thing only expanding the size and scope of government expanding this the size and scope of government so that it can interfere with our individual lives and so at the end of the day the American people need to be energized to push back against this effort to expand the scope and size of government if they don't push back now it's going to be very very difficult going going forward would listen to Natasha Sarah that deputy assistant secretary at the Treasury Department she list the Senators its northeast coastal far left liberals who are prone some of those who were caught up in that idea we were to represent this tea party groups were the same sitters writing the letters to the IRS to go after the tea party groups so they been asking for this kind of authority to Senators, have your name and date they want the IRS to have this targeting ability. This enforcement ability.

They've been publicly on the record actually think it's a benevolent thing to give the IRS.

This authority is shocking is that may believe, but you know you reference that that sound by Jordan.

The other thing that I heard in name when she talked about other ways to give the IRS the enforcement neck mechanisms the authority that they need a juror nine. I know exactly how they do that and we all do. We've seen this happen on a number of different issues. It involves a twofold approach you throw money at it. In this case it's $80 billion for the enforcement of the IRS and then what you do. Jordan, you use the executive branch to engage in regulatory rulemaking. Now that sounds very boring. That sounds very innocuous but it at $80 billion and 87,000 new agents and you tweak the rules to allow more random audits of everyday Americans only tell you with the least concern of those Americans who will be audited access to their checking account because the IRS will have that and they will have so much more. So this is just another way, in a way that they've used before to accomplish the same objective that they were after. Before we get a second after the broadcast I would hear from you. What you think that the Democrats agenda by the ministry's agenda is here expanding the IRS. You heard some of our opinions. I want your opinions as well give us a call 1-800-684-3110. That's what hundred 684 31 to but you know that when we look at that Christians engage case we look at the tea party case is what we usually know what is this first half hour broadcast is that a lot of people receive this additional context by the IRS and they just say Academy for this organization be more what I can to continue go through this process effectively. They are silenced by the IRS for just getting a letter. That's the power of the IRS. It scares people. You double the size the IRS. It could be that much more intimidating. Of course we know what they did when they did the whole attack on the conservative groups and the tea party group was to stifle a particular voice from participating in the body politic.

It was new point discrimination classically that I've argued to the Supreme Court for four decades. You can't do so you take that and then combine it now with the budget increase and what you end up with a target here let me clear the first thing they did when they got into office was blacker group in Christian engage why because they were named Christians engage in. They had biblical values that was enough. This type of in the IRS.

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It's in 80%. It's about doubling the size of the IRS that's that's major in Washington, a very you always would you watch any agency that was doubling up its resources enforcement power they are saying that effect to Americans.

They are doing this to come after you that this is that this that like to to make the process easier.

Make the tax code more simple for people to follow.

This is to come after Americans who don't have the layers of lawyers and accountants that the Irish would have to usually work through, which is most Americans do not have the capability let me clear. If you're in the top bracket secure in making that kind of revenue you can have lawyers and accountants that will be with the IRS and there's any issues you resolve them. If you commit attachments of committed tax fraud.

There are Department of Justice US attorney's office is called the tax division they been around for a long time.

They prosecute cases. Does anybody believe that they're not available prosecute a major tax fraud case because they're not getting an additional $8 billion. Know what they want the $8 billion for the growth of the tax-exempt groups so they can start going after nonprofits again like they have a history up a history that was so bad that we had to go to federal court and get court orders to get them to stop, which they been violated. As soon as they got back into power so we know where this goes.

We know from history of the history of this bill).

Initially, the target, the trigger this whole bill with $600 worth of expenditures and there was an uproar. But we know that's what they wanted as a basis upon which they could start looking at people man, and in the American people spoke of Jason. They will not stand for that. So they didn't walk away from it. They just pivoted how they're going to accomplish this and look I think we need to describe the IRS for the agency that they are today. I mean they are the most feared agency by the American people that are the most powerful agency in the federal government there. The most punitive agency in the federal government, NJ. I would say they're the agency that's the most in need of reform. And that's a pretty significant statement when you're talking about the federal government.

But again, you've got a learn from history.

I mean this is this is not ancient history. This is the last decade for the IRS they had used the authority that they already have not the authority were talking about today. The authority that we are. They already have to target people based on their political views and their religious views. J if we almost doubled their size without input, instituting a fundamental reform of the agency or just can get more the same.

In fact I would say again and Jordan said this a couple times but I don't think we can have this conversation without continuing to say this, the, the IRS J actually needs to go to the the other direction. We actually need to simplify the code and remove the authority that they have because they've clearly been shown not to handle that this is going in the wrong direction of the focus quickly. Organization Jordan to be clear, this is organization that asked taxpayers in the nonprofit world what the contents of the prayers or will I just pointed that out. They asked that they did it again in the Christians engage case so we know what they're after hearing everyone?

We know what's going on here. Yes I worry we're sitting because we come back from this break, but let me just also reiterate that part.

This is this is just part of the river.

We we talked to about the provision says redo all this early childhood education, the less your one of the many early childhood education providers that does that through a religious institution. They can even apply basic building apply. Don't ask.

So if you're in a preschool attached to a church which happy those few ride by on your way to work every day, probably more than even count those does the those can apply for the fact that so it's also the idea of only secular education even is even allowed into the process. This is like a square work folks were fighting back.

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That's not the current draft because there is opposition from sinner mentioned not to the expansion of the IRS and by the way they are now on the record as saying you won't but you know they think they could there still a way to get there. They can't do it legislatively, but that it's it's aggregate funds. So if you are moving money from your savings account to your checking account and then to maybe another account that would all count towards either the 600 of the $10,000. The total of the year. That would all count yeah let me have the short answer and then explained RC. The short answer is yes, that include your savings account now.

The longer answer. Like you said you're in the way they wanted to structure it would be any account that had aggregate inflows or outflows of $600 initially and then up to 10,000 annually so would've included either account.

But Jordan, this is a way of accomplishing the same thing because one of these new 87,000 agents with that 515,000 per agent budget decides to audit RC. They're not even not going to knock look just at his checking account or not. You look just at a savings account there in a look at all of his financial picture in an RJ can speak to this better than any of us. He's been on the other side of these kind of investigation. So this is just another way of accomplishing the same thing. The savings account will be off limit the checking account will be outlet off limit your your other angles of the income.

Those will be off limit either is to, and I see you talk to, but that the DOJ side of this, the tax division there also getting there would get $500 million a year there, but your time at they'll have issues right now they've got a big X case this is to go after that, the everyday man. They have a big tax case right now they are bringing those cases in federal court through the grand jury subpoenas and indictments and all ultimately trials or resolutions.

These matters in the federal court system so this just to be clear what this gives access to what this gives access to is the gift department just the ability to take those not so big cases. My concern with all of this is a redirection of rendition of this kind of resource. Where's the limits on what it's good to be spent for me to see an increase in in in taxes and penalties being scrutinized by about their prayers are with you and we know that religious institutions can't use money in.

They cannot even get money in the bill back program.

Even though there probably one the greatest providers of childcare and child assistance in the comfort and were eliminating the Biden plan eliminates nonprofit religious institution from participating in a broad-based program that Harry really provides the benefit to the community and that's the reason you get tax exemption in the first place because of the benefit you provide for their take an entire group out probably the largest provider group out and in and putting them off limits will play parent courses that it couldn't get my gift rebuild their infrastructure and their and their situation. I think that's precisely correct acting so if you look at constitutional law, the government is not supposed to establish religion, but equally true. It is not supposed to impair the private establishment of religion, but the Biden administration is forcefully moving down a track and this track has been carved out by globalist elites for decades now that basically says that anything that touches on religion, even if it helps the community should be declared off limits in the Biden administration is dominated by globalist elites, who at the end of the day. Generally speaking, hate, religion and religious expression. Equally true. They hate the conservative expression of views and so I am not surprised that they seek to exclude. For instance, a private religious pre-k or preschool program from government assistance and equally true. The IRS is planning right now in my opinion, as we speak to target all conservative and all religious groups. In addition to which, now the IRS is targeting average working class Americans basic access to, or at least the ability to audit each and every bank account.

You and I hold let me up play to this is from the White House and Deputy Press Secretary. She talks about you, what is the big picture with this. This is where I get very nervous when I hear these kind of herbs coming from the White House. The Biden ministration by 20 is important to sell this to sell this for people to understand that this is going to make a transformational change in their lives and investment that we haven't seen in my whole entire lifetime and it's critically important in hearing what you were worried about is that this transformational changes that you cannot live without the government absolutely so essentially they want to control all of your money and then they will seek to control all of the expenditures of your money and seek to exclude certain expenditures that they don't think are in the best interest of transformational reform transformational reform and the whole idea of transformation takes us back to the halcyon days of Karl Marx who sought to destroy everything that lives because he believed that any existing structure was domineering and oppressive.

The Democrats have basically taken on board a softer version of Marxism, plain and simple and this also is part and parcel of their playbook in terms of pushing critical race theory in public schools this to be a would that we had transformational change at the same risk yet exactly I mean that when some of the preferential change all right because the transformational change of the IRS in every American's life as if they're not already there. Transformational change is to help out the religious institutions that actually provide benefits to our community to exempt them out and recollect them participate, which is a lawsuit by the way, that will be glad to make if this bill becomes law. Transformational change is adding $80 billion of expenses of income to the IRS over the course of 10 years when they are already institutionally incapable of even living up to obligations that they signed onto in federal court so you look at all of this and you said yourself that this is part of the plan.

Now what we do is talk about this is horrible this is terrible when we get a new one already in federal court on the planet. What that happened with descriptions engaged in the world that some IRS official think they could start asking a religious institution again about their prayers about the Bible about the word of God.

It's insane that this even happened. Having said that were to find out why another fight back hard working perspective in order we have to do with the ACL debt then this bill becomes law and we see this all religious organizations exempted churches exempt from these benefits will go after that to what you gotta hope and I don't know what the plan on this is that is has Joe mansion said anything about the money going to the Internal Revenue Service. The budgeting and not specifically J although the framework that the White House put out did include this sort of a line item for the IRS. They called an IRS investment into close the tax. That's the sort of the phraseology that ended up in his $80 billion increase J right now I gotta tell you, Speaker Pelosi and the house doesn't care what Joe mansion says they're there in about anything that they can into this bill before they send it over the Senate. And yes, Joe mansion will get his crack at it then and maybe some of it will come out but a J justice just to echo what you're talking about trans trans transformational change will be focusing in on the IRS portion there's more than half $1 trillion in this thing for green new deal items. I mean, so we haven't even scratched the skirt surface of the scope of this think I don't think Joe mansion is going to go for all of that J but as it always happens in Washington DC.

There's a back and forth in some of these things do slip in and out got me very concerned with receipts of the timing of this would take a call and we go to door in Colorado on line 3 door welcome to secular you're there.

I wonderful blessing out here in the North corner of Colorado out here in rural America to be able to listen to you guys I play I you have given all that's great understanding and knowledge of my classic Intel we are in the middle of the cornfield including harvest I have to be quick. We do to fight off an individual being more involved. We need more of the epic direction I want to donate to you guys because of this, even though it be a minimal amount there's others that can donate more money LOL can you be more opaque. Can we get engaged, involved to do is hold the IRS accountable and try to stop the legislation were working and that we did get the 600 all provision out.

That was a good thing but there to try to get around it. Then you go to court, which were already doing to find out what happened on this last case with the targeting so that maybe that doesn't happen again. So we have to go to court.

There shall have other cable run. Provisions in the challenge. We will fight back. That's how you do it so we fight back. There is strength in numbers. Like you said were coming together the resources together to fight back. These massive institutions and government institutions as well be right back secular. Only when a society can agree that the most vulnerable.

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This is the idea to try to get it if you increase 87,000 agents in the same business quick map with resources of $500,000 per year per agent. Instead of making this a simpler tax system.

It makes it that much more difficult to deal with an agency that already doesn't respond in Jeff's case specifically the he talked about a number things were those ages would be visited automatic donations. I think about your bank account. Howard, how are those being labeled are you paying anyway from work around your house or you know it. How is that being labeled and then that gets to them see their building webs to you might be a connection to go to someone else that they usually would not spend the time because the but they are there to say God put their doing this because they believe there's trillions of dollars of revenue out there that people are not paying in taxes now I would say if you really believe that make the system easier if they where is the argument Washington. No argument to wash it all this technology. All this AI technology. Why do we ever need to hire 87,000 new people to enforce an old tax code. The answer to that is not a pleasant one. Jordan it's that the bureaucracy in Washington DC loves to draw more power unto itself. Yes, there would be certainly more efficient ways to do this, of course, there would be more efficient ways to write the tax code, and in fact Jordan there would be more efficient ways to make sure that the current tax laws if they were simplified actually generated more revenue to the federal government. Now we can have a debate or not, whether that would be a good thing or not.

But of course there are more efficient ways to do that but Jordan, it would not draw power and influence over the lives of the men of regular Americans into Washington DC into the bureaucracy as this approach would do. And I gotta tell you that really is a at least a secondary I would argue is probably the primary reason that this is the preferred approach because it brings more power it brings more authority and it brings more control into the agency's go back to falls 100-684-3110 to talk to us.

Let's go to Camilla and Marilyn online one to Camilla and grateful that anyway I 70 and 71 January and June I started getting from my 401(k) and I also try sending like affect will and 401(k) absolutely dead because that's that that's any type of money moving around you that this this gives them there was some talk that initially they would look at just income payments are like that wouldn't triggered what you make a year but it's the transactions that you have to do to still live as Americans pay bills fix that minimal right you got minimal withdrawal requirements that come from.

When you reach a certain age having 71 1/2 from your retirement plan so all those will be income but never passed the $600 Russell everywhere at an institution that's good effectively double in size, absolutely.

So I think the end of the day. This is all about information and control. So most people when they look for instance at their Facebook account.

They believe that they are in control of sending out information, but a number of researchers have found that it's really the other way around Facebook to a great extent is in control of our lives because they have so much information about our purchasing patterns are preferences that they then send us information to purchase things we don't need.

I think the IRS is preparing their own version of Facebook control so that in essence they will then have information and they can then create an algorithm to basically go to the house and Senate and say you need to cut back on the deductibility.

For instance, the churches you need to cut back on the deductibility of 501(c)(3) organizations you need to basically constrain the ability of the American people to at the end of the day to be free to make their own choices.

So what we have is a massive expansion in government, a massive expansion in government power, but most fundamentally, this is a massive finance expansion in government access to information about our day-to-day lives and this is a point I think, to the American way by the Wisconsin federal holiday hey Bob, welcome to secular you're on the McCulloch a couple of my what my wife and I are both on the fabled utterance on combat wounded and my wife also draws her Social Security.

How is all of this could take a look at mine and my wife's income from the IRS it's trades actually bases.

Let me see Bob right away. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your wife's service to our country, but this is this is the issue that it's it's not so much what work comes in its what you start utilizing what you start utilizing it.

It's can be treated just like anybody else's money and resources. That's right so it's it's transaction is exactly what SATA transactionally based meaning that it's how the money is expended which is by the way, with the IRS loves to look at love to see if you're if you're donating to this organization about organization in your church. As I said earlier, try to take the churches out of this restructuring or that the infrastructure built in total I get there.

The greatest provider of childcare services in the country but they want them out. So again, I think we have to do here is is raise the alarm rehab see what happens in the legislation we got at $600 provision out. I think you're making an end run I try to do it this way, we prepared to challenge those provisions that we think are unconstitutional. But elections have consequences political races matter, and it matters when it becomes policy and you got an institution that is incapable of self-correcting, which I believe the IRS is this does not bode well for the next few years with the IRS because we've already seen in the last six months what they're up to now I got I got slapped down. That would pretty quickly, but that doesn't mean they will try again like Brandon and Harry and you said you add 87,000 new agents at 87,000 with a budget of baffling dollars each is nothing but trouble. This is why we are fighting all these different every every bit of this, it is massive spending bill with these provisions go by without raising the issues, see these politicians answer for why they would vote for this get support our work to critical time. He could double the impact your donation because of the matching challenge this month of November. Whatever you donate a group of daughters will match that you gotta make that initial donation trigger that matched it with ACLJ.org donate today. If you're financially able to, we will talk to tomorrow. The American Center for on critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ


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