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Biden Admin Declares War on Conscience Rights

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Biden Admin Declares War on Conscience Rights

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August 4, 2021 1:00 pm

You know Xavier Becerra, Biden's Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS), as one of the most anti-life HHS secretaries ever to be appointed. Now, in a not-so-shocking move, the DHS has recommended that the Department of Justice (DOJ) drop their conscience rights-related lawsuit against the University of Vermont Medical Center (UVMC). The DOJ lawsuit directly involves an ACLJ client - a nurse forced to participate in an abortion despite her conscience objections. Does this move by Biden's HHS mark the beginning of an all-out radical assault on conscience rights for medical professionals? Jordan and the rest of the Sekulow team - including ACLJ Senior Counsel Frank Manion - discuss this attack on conscience rights and the details of the case that the HHS is asking to be dropped. This and more today on Sekulow .

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Sexual ministration declares war on conscience protections talk about that and how it impacts one of our clients today giving human form and now this is what I hear from you, call one 800-6843 1160 this is not shocking out of this administration, especially with who told you serves as the head of Health and Human Services Javier Becerra as in California as Atty. Gen. of this is someone who wanted to eliminate pro-life pregnancy centers kept going after the little sister. The poor, and even after the victories at the Supreme Court.get.giving up, always try to advance the cause of Planned Parenthood over the cause of individuals and individual rights in the United States. Why do I say that will now HHS are recommended to the Department of Justice to drop the Department of Justice lawsuit against the University of Vermont Medical Center. You might remember we represented a nurse. We do represent nurse who used to work at the University of Vermont Medical Center.

She was had a conscience which are are her fellow colleagues do conscience objection to participating in elective abortions and their eyes look their laws of the books that the church commitment laws on the bus to protect Americans with these conscience protections so she didn't want to. This was sheet in 2018 Cisco back three years. Contact ACLJ doesn't want to file a lawsuit that makes it public in Europe with her job in jeopardy but there's an administrative process. You can go through by filing the complaint through the egg and the government of the then they look at whether or not there should be a lawsuit filed so sheet she filed a complaint with the what was the newly formed at the time conscience and religious freedom division that was ordered by the trust administration. The HHS office of civil rights was killing follow the civil rights complaint with another employee at enough you were dealing like employment law on its own, but this worked directly through HHS. Ultimately, you know that didn't have to lead to a court case, but the Department of Justice decided to trump administration that they could not come to an agreement with the University of Vermont that they had to file a federal lawsuit. So that was about to begin. The lawsuit was about to begin and in the Bible, administration, surprise, surprise, pulled the plug on that lawsuit told the court to dismiss this if they are no longer want to pursue this. The question now is if you are an individual of the situation.

What do you do because here this was a unique situation to his unit were to file a lawsuit. We respect that I wanted to keep her privacy got a blog up at ACLJ that are, we come back Frank maybe will be joining us. Also, he's the lead attorney's ear counts with the ACLJ are representing this client, but also on that the fight for your right spirit is not over because the DOJ decided not to bring a lawsuit against the receiver, but Medical Center you still have rights and thing that is important people know they have protections under the federal law absolutely and have for decades that your knowledge when reiterated trump administration took a statute that was decades old and actually enforced it for the first time and I would just don't say this at the outset of this broadcaster and we say this a lot, but the statutory law matters, but so does administration of the lawsuit is enforcement of the law. We saw both of those things finally start to take place under the last administration.

But right now you got HHS Sec. Javier Becerra and the Atty. Gen. Merrick Garland Jordan are not administering the law.

They're not enforcing the law. There Lane and it's gonna take groups like the ACLJ pushing back and exposing that right folks, we come back Frank maybe will be joining us all to get a live report on again this situation this attack on the rights of those who are pro-life but also on how to move forward as well because we believe this is a one those reminders. The ACLJ as needed now more than ever support our work it ACLJI.org we we have a very hostile we've made no mistake about that. No question about that. Extremely hostile Health and Human Services what it is led by someone who is old by the abortion industry that is very true in your time at Javier Becerra and look at his record the actions just occurred will be right back. The American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad. Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy and fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful.

Now there's an opportunity for you to help in any way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate will be mass $10 gift comes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ the work we do. Simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family a beautiful gift today online ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is certainly protect. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission life will show you how you are personally pro-life battle and the publication includes a look at all major ACLJ pro-life cases were fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to the pro-life discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy of mission life today online ACL data/secular.

We are joined by a silty senior counsel Frank made it lead attorney.

I represent your just a reminder here. This was a case we talked about a lot now over three years. So, just a reminder again if you're distorting us on secular.

We have represented nurse at the University of Vermont Medical Center as she's now moved God see if it which she is not deducted this publicly. She went through administrative processor can remain anonymous. Continue her career he can understand the reasons there.

This operating room nurse was coerced into assisting abortion, even though her name. It was actually on the list of nurses who had moral and religious objections to the to be in a big part of those kind of procedures she was told she put her scrubs on it for the operation that she was met by the surgeon who knew of her objection who said don't hate me and that she had to participate in what is again as it stands now illegal killing under US law of an innocent human being she wanted. She didn't want to be part of this date did not swap her out for a different nurse, who didn't have these concerns and the situation moved into a directly with the HHS order. Frank made it now because Frank was unique situation wasn't a noble kind of file a lawsuit case it was it so went through administrative procedure similar to light in employment. If you had an employment situation and one of your rights were violated under the equal opportunity employment act. Something like that.

But the what we saw was it HHS under the trump administration freight opened up their own civil rights division where he could file complaints on these matters.

And after three years to determine they needed to go to court on their own through the Department of Justice because they could not come to a kind of an agreement with University of Vermont Medical Center on how to move forward for people to understand that what happened here. This nurse did not want to file a civil lawsuit. We talked to her about that option you want to put her family through the anxiety and the rigors of what a civil lawsuit entails that she left the state. Shortly after this happened she was so upset by what happened. She left the whole area of operating room nurse and she left University of Vermont. She moved to another part of the country, so she didn't want to be dragged back to Burlington Vermont to do a civil lawsuit, especially when we were able to tell her years ago. The previous administration that there was now something called the conscience, religious freedom, division, which would take her case and vindicate her rights against University of Vermont punished University of Vermont in some way she wouldn't get anything out of this personally, but they would vindicate her rights and those of her colleagues who also had been subjected to pressure. In some cases coercion to participate in abortions is also clear that not only did HHS take this case they refer to it as the most open shut conscience violation case they had ever seen. The Department of Justice did Philo's lawsuit on her behalf.

Eight months ago and now all of a sudden because it's a different name at the top of the department letterhead. They decided to abandon the position that they vigorously and forcefully argued last December and have asked the court to just drop the case and said to the University of Vermont were sorry we investigated you have a nice day nevermind. It's a complete outraged people understated because this is unique situation we have these laws on the books to do, protect conscious rights. This was an opportunity to see it be enforced from the Department of Justice say I gets that a medical center like this out. We were looking for that that precedent, this could set because it would make employers I get I think twice but before taking these kind of actions because they would see it would just be the individual's complaint, but this larger action investigation by the Department of Justice.

But now that we've said that even though there has been this shift and we know we talked about Becerra and his hostility to the pro-life movement. Heat setting that is so pro-abortion and he is hostile to the pro-life pro-life individuals, people who have a pro-life position we've gone through his history of the past California. The basic tray shut down pro-life princesses still try to get when, after look at the little sis the poor even after those cases were decided at the Supreme Court so we know the hostility there for the administration, but afraid there is there is hope here because if so, what is the individual and one of these situations and does choose, and they feel like they would want to go the route of lawsuit, that option is still available, though of course this is a setback to the life movement as we knew the bite administration would be question about tort and we have to be clear is outrageous that this is angry as I you would others feel about what they've done here. We haven't relied on the government to enforce pro-lifers rights before you we been doing these cases for over two decades of the ACLJ and we've known that this church amendment in particular could only be enforced by the government.

And that's been a problem because we were not able under any previous administration for the trump administration to have them actually enforce the church amendment what was wonderful part we are concerned about this case was for the first time, effort, we had the government on the side of the pro-lifers in these cases, with all the weight that the government can bring, as opposed to going individual civil lawsuit at the fact that you make your right, all is not lost here. We go back to where we were and we are willing and able to fight for the rights of pro-lifers in the healthcare field and elsewhere whenever they're discriminated against.

We have other laws at our disposal is a patchwork of state laws.

It's always been on the books and we still have the federal civil rights laws which we have used numerous times will continue to use the situation to after years I get you had at the department just as they were going in there making their case. I know it was it was exciting to see.

Finally, the teeth from the federal side, but Frank usually sits on the so important that we have never relied the ACLJ on the government to do the work for the pro-life movement. It it is it hasn't. It hasn't been expended ministries by the way this not always Republican, Democrat, this was new under the trump administration freight they would even take this step. It was a welcome step. But as we saw with elections you put in new new actors. We don't know if I'll continue to even operate this at this HHS new civil rights office that they open the same time, it does remind people the hostility still that exists at at the a major level, including at the cabinet level when it comes to just people's rights. They don't they don't believe that those rights should be protected and that the bottom line. That's what Department of Justice is saying that is that outrage part of this hostility at what's new me before we had apathy even in the Republican administration. But be honest about any identity of the Obama administration but now we have hostility to church amendment was passed in 1973 by the overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans in United States country, including by the way, a brand-new senator from Delaware than go by. The reason that it was passed wise. We understood what the Supreme Court had done in Roe V Wade legalized abortion in United States but it was understood by people of goodwill on both sides that there were deeply held religious beliefs by millions of Americans against participating in this what they tried to do was to make it legally impossible for employers to force pro-life healthcare workers have to violate their consciences and the wonderful thing was that they need in the three years that we had the conscience or religious freedom. We had the government finally putting teeth in that amendment and that as of this week and you're right, not not exactly a shock as of this week that so this is what is is upsetting here is that the government eyes deciding Haiti's protection that is freight just laid out the been there since the 1970s and instead of saying hey it's not about whether abortion is legal or not and whether or not the procedure can move forward is whether this individuals rights were violated and that should matter to have your Becerra is extreme as he is for this individual. But that's how extreme he is than that is how this is this is why there was so much opposition to his appointment and it had to be HHS Sec. is also one of the reasons why he ended up in that role coming out a big Atty. Gen. to HHS. He is and he is an activist for the abortion industry journey is that extreme is why he was chosen but look whether he agrees or doesn't agree with federal law.

It is his obligation to uphold and frankly, if the Atty. Gen.'s obligation to uphold into so I think if a decades-old statute was violated, and if this nurses fundamental rights were violated as they clearly were. In this case, it is their duty Jordan to enforce that law and to see this lawsuit through. They failed and that it I would tell you this though Jordan a Frank mention how the way the church amendment's are structured their dependent on the federal government to enforce them and to bring lawsuits. There is a there is a provision or there is a piece of legislation has been introduced in the United States Senate by Sen. Langford and a number of his colleagues that would actually create a private right of action for cases like this. I think this is probably a moment in history where an idea like that needs to be revisited. I know the Senators are looking at it again, but the dropping of this case. This might be the catalyst to give something like that momentum Jordan we come back will continue to discuss this as well bring in more of our team members refrigerated to stay with us as well so you can continue this discussion, questions, comments of Facebook periscope you to list this is just the hostility towards a lot of people because this hostility states hostility which Christians hostility of those who believe that life, I have a different view of when life begins an activity protected by the federal government.

That doesn't mean that we can't fight their rights. That's the key here. The ACLJ you can file the lawsuit if that's what you choose to do and need to speak up instead that we can get like this recipe said universe is horseshoe, violate your conscience display procedures that could haunt you for the rest of your life right back on second only one. A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life. We've created a free and powerful publication offering a panoramic view ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission will show you how you are personally pro-life and publication includes a look at all major ACLJ Jesus fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to life question free copy mission life today online ACLJ/the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad.

Whether it's defending religious freedom.

Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith.

Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress. ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ. The work we simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you beautiful gift today online ACLJ second Frank made your counsel. ACLJ continues to join us as well. I just want to put this into kind of the larger context of a reminder to everybody in this percent are the broadcast that if you are supporting a situation like this. The ACLJ is there for you as we had yesterday a pastor joined us live from the live church pastor Purdue. There were representing in a land-use matter and the church. There were were able to represent them at no cost to the church if you are someone in the situation like this nurse was.

We are there for you even ACLJ.org/help or if you go around to the homepage and see it right atop the homepage as well and is a little contact form you fill out name information a little bit about your situation so that we can get the right attorney to the right person to contact you to decide what the right course of action is to protect your rights, that is, there is the best way for us to know if you're if you rights are being violated. If you need representation I should go to get its ACL general/help. Remember that if you're in one of these situations. If you work in one of these environments where these kind of decisions. So if you're in the medical world the nursing world are are commonplace. Nothing in either leave it to the chat there there arts good friend of our Sen. Langford has tried a is going to put for legislation to try and privatize this right of action over get to into the deed is epic basically make it clear cut and available the people still could on their own file lawsuit yet Frank is talked about the ability to bring a lawsuit on the part of individuals in cases like this one. Jordan Sen. Langford has put forward a bill that he calls the conscience protection act. It looks like it's got about 25 in that range cosponsors in the United States Senate.

It would explicitly say in violations of this kind of case violations of the church amendment that series of conscience protections there would be a a private right of action so that the nurse in this case could bring the suit on her own.

She wouldn't have to depend on making a complaint to Department of Health and Human Services and then having it referred to Department of Justice for a lawsuit.

So while there are existing options on the table. Jordan this piece of legislation would explicitly say that there is a private right of action and you know I will. As I look at this case I think it's I think we've moved past a time where we can depend on the political branch to enforce these laws because we we we warned about this Jordan. We knew it was common. We knew they would drop it. I think it's time to give individuals and an opportunity to pursue it on their own, Frank Isaac what what is unique here is that we are seeing a bigger picture. We transmit major case at the Supreme Court at a Mississippi this fall. We filed three separate briefs of that matter, did the issue of life and the protection of the unborn is going to probably aboard to check that it's gotten in and maybe a decade or more, and maybe longer than that because of this case. That is a direct challenge to Roe versus Wade.

So were starting to see the pro-abortion side of this. The hobby adversaries.

The Biden administration. They are becoming more and more radical, more and more yes defensive, but also taking offensive steps to try and protect the abortion industry.

I think you're right you're right with me about what they've done here. You know, everyone read the headlines this week. Department of Justice drops case on the bottom half of a pro-life nurse in Vermont. How many human resource managers and hospitals across the country. Just read the headline just read a very superficial account of what they did underneath the headline and think oh okay it's okay to do that now and then not aware of the other laws are on the books that they're not aware of the details of what happened here, and that's what concerns me particularly with the radicalization of the abortion forces that we see now in the highest places in the government definitely right about that.

They are on the defensive.

Their frightened of what the screen with a Mississippi case and it seems to me that is leading them to do exactly what you're talking about, which is take extreme measures against individual pro-lifers based on hostility. I thought about what there was talk about Sen. Langford.

Bill is exactly what we've been looking for for 20 years this church amendment and similar federal laws on the books, but they lack this private right of action if there were a private right of action of the church member and we will file dozens more lawsuits from the ones we found over the years, the church member. Quite frankly, is stronger than the generic Civil Rights Act of 1964, which we then litigate other. So yes, Sen. Langford. Bill is right on point.

I read it it it feels the need we been looking for a decade. Whether it gets passed or not. I understand the politics of all that, but that's something that we need to get behind as we have seen freethinkers joyousness at the Simpson broadcasters received how administration can radically change this for good or for ill. We only got a brief time with it for good. We saw you could create this new division within the Health and Human Services to protect the civil rights which would include conscious rights of the American workers when they are in the workplace to have these conscience protections and we have seen again that you can put that in place, the DOJ could take action on behalf of those individuals they file a complaint so they don't have to go through the normal litigation process.

But you see that if when you went when eight when a hostile administration comes in who isn't even looking at it as the individual's right Midwest. To me that's what what is even to be the most upsetting is that they put abortion they put the politics of it ahead of the protecting the individual American who, by law, has this protect this conscience protection and you know if it was someone saying I don't want to be against the draft of against the war, have conscience protection. The beat we allow these conscientious objectors we always have our country and I feel I have ever seen would be standing beside them or absolutely when it came to the pro-life nurse that that same kind of objection which were not supposed to get into and analyze why and how to get there. That's for the courts of said that they think they say they side with the big industry or the big hospital over the individual. Yeah yeah and this this case in Vermont as we know is not an isolated case. When we been talking about this for the last several years.

I mentioned the fact that my wife who is a surgery nurse had the same thing happen to her words were she's forced into a situation you can't leave the patient there in the operating room and they tell you after your already counting love. This is an abortion and you can't leave for the safety of the patient itself.

This happens more than people know, and Jordan.

There is a legal and a moral issue that are tied to this moral issue. Of course the obvious one is abortion itself. There is also the moral issue that this individual nurse in this particular case that her rights also were legally transcriptional, but that is not just a legal issue that is a moral issue to their needs to be recourse there needs to be right of action to protect people like this because the legal issue in the morality of this abortion and of of forcing people to perform abortions are inseparably connected at Harry went. When I look at this I see you know we had the right motions put in place by think what Frakes is important is that you don't give up.

Of these, because the government did enforce the right every week.

We still have all these legal options available to us assist important people speak out because as Frank said what the headline will be is that if you if you manage were these hospitals. What does it matter if this person speaks out, but week we can take this to court can represent people. You are absolutely correct and you're absolutely correct to emphasize the rights that we still enjoy notwithstanding the spineless decision by the Biden administration, which essentially has declared deer hunting season on religious funds are folks we come back second half hour covered up really get bored today structure issue or what's going on the Capitol Hill that legislation back and forth consistently good ACLJaded or that new blog up on this, our client out of Vermont in this pro-life case really continue fighting Fort Worth ACLJaded ACLJ.org the American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ matching challenge for every dollar you donate, it will be managed $10 gift becomes $20, $50 gift becomes 100 you can make a difference in the protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you and your family. Give a gift today online ACLJ.keeping you informed and now, this is Jordan secular secular folks again really continue fighting. There might be again a full on declaration of war against the pro-life individual in America by the department of justice by the Biden administration by the Health and Human Services we knew that was coming. It was how the vehicles they were going to utilize all we are pay close attention to reminding you I think Frank said it best when he said at the ACLJ we have never relied on the federal government to protect our rights under the law, especially when it comes to those individuals who are pro-life or when it has gone to prove the pro-life movement fighting back against the abortion industry. Your relied of the government and so while the Trump administration was putting in place a great new way to give teeth to laws are on the books and make it easier. The laws are still there.

Protections are still there, but we we have to be the ones to fight. We cannot rely on the government to fight for us but we never have at the Americans or philologists. Of course you have a frilly administration help you assist put in place to help policies that that was being done in the Biden ministration time.

It was just a matter of time until they got a handle on what was going on and they try to shut it down. That doesn't shut down. I work at the ACLJ doesn't take away your rights under the law. Remember that now wouldn't turn to something of the statement in Washington DC because thank there is a lot to talk. If you cut through some of the other stories in the news, one that I think will affect most Americans. Is this infrastructure talk and had a putting in place the idea that I think most Americans would be okay with even that give the $900 billion kind of the huge infrastructure bill baby. It is a little more little bit less. That is not the full story and it's becoming more and more part of said source start to see any kind of bipartisan work. It feels like it was Artie difficult to start with to get anything done bipartisan this now has become extremely politicized as usual Jordan and the devil is always in the details. We set on this broadcast that we ought we thought there was a bipartisan infrastructure deal to the hep B hat if they focused really on a targeted level on roads and bridges and waterways broadband those kinds of things adorn there has been a part bipartisan group of senators trying to get a deal like that in about a week ago they announced I got again that they had a they had a deal was a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal.

We got the legislative text just a couple of days ago about 2700 pages towards her again. Not the best way to run this process. Senator still going through the piece of legislation finding things that quite frankly I should not be in there.

But here's the bottom line, I would tell you that that is a process that could have gotten us to a place that we were talking about. Where was a true infrastructure bill that it was a targeted, that it wasn't 3 1/2 trillion dollars like a Joe Biden was asking for about really focus on infrastructure Jordan, I think we can get to a place on that do not bill or would pass on a bipartisan basis, but now Democrats in Washington DC. I would say, led by Alexandria Cossey or Cortez had said they are going to block that bill, no matter how it ends up Jordan unless it's attached to the 3 1/2 trillion dollar WishList that they have through the reconciliation process, so look, I know from where I sit. Jordan even though a reasonable infrastructure bill might be a good thing. I think Senate Republicans have to look at this and realize that what they're really voting on.

At the end of this week if they ever get to the end of this process is a $5 trillion bill 3 1/2 trillion of which they won't get any saying Jordan I hope if that's how this plays out. They don't take that date right folks to come back I will keep this further. Continue to talk about you because there's a static hold up by AOC in others it talk that they really have the power to hold the support to put all these provisions in and right now is installing on Capitol Hill so we will see how this goes for, but there still reportedly would be enough Republican senators. They base this was an old report after this all happen. Are they still there. The willing to go down this road, knowing what's coming is.

We'll talk about we come back always remind you to get ACLJ.org see all the work you were doing will be right back secular. The American Center for Law and Justice were engaged in critical issues at home and abroad.

Whether it's defending religious freedom. Protecting those who are persecuted for their faith. Uncovering corruption in the Washington bureaucracy fighting to protect life in the courts and in Congress ACLJ would not be able to do any of this without your support for that. We are grateful. Now there's an opportunity for you to help me way for limited time you can participate in the ACLJ's matching challenge for every dollar you donate $10 gift becomes 20 oh $50 gift becomes 100. This is a critical time for the ACLJ the work we simply would not occur without your generous take part in our matching challenge make a difference in protecting the constitutional and religious freedoms most important to you. You forgive today online ACLJ only one.

A society can agree that the most vulnerable invoice is, is there any hope for that culture to survive. And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn, called mission like it will show you how you are personally publication includes a look at all major ACLJ Jesus fighting for the rights of pro-life activists. The ramifications of Roe V Wade, 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the abortion industry and what Obama care means to discover the many ways your membership in the ACLJ is empowering the right to question your free copy mission life today online ACLJ/squat AOC they're threatening to bring the whole infrastructure package down now. Maybe that's that it had because they don't eat enough body. They don't think it's you they want 3 trillion they want agree to deal they would all these different projects which you would not get bipartisan support for thus it would not get through the U.S. Senate likely add that you that you know you have all these are, you would have the opportunity to even go through reconciliation, but they want reconciliation.

First side just what will I would play the cell by the go go to for to explain what is she how she type at this process working a bite to rectify the health information bill will uphold our end of the bargain and bipartisan bill until we get all of it is that everybody will want to know what it would assume from the squad would do they have the power they have the votes to do that in the houses they have the kind of us. I guess they did with such a small margin. They probably do, but at the same time.

What some people may hear that is why would you get to reconciliation before passing the actual legislation yeah I mean this is an unusual situation Jordan, but you're correct in this situation. She absolutely has the votes to block both of these bills from moving in here here sort of whining I think. First you have to say the very reason that you had a number of Republicans coming to the table to to debate the bipartisan bill and then ultimately voting to proceed to.

It is because during the ideas that that would be a compromise and that that would be passed instead of a reconciliation bill that was good to be much larger if that is no longer the case.

As if it's no longer going to take the place of a reconciliation bill but it's gonna be in addition to it, the very reason that those Republicans came to the table would go away so it would be would be undermined. But here's procedurally how she would do it.

Jordan, the reconciliation package has to move separately. You have to have both a budget resolution and then a reconciliation package that moves so no matter what happens with the bipartisan bill if AOC does not see passage of the bill that she wants the large one.

The monstrosity the reconciliation once if the Senate doesn't pass that first. All she has to do is get the group to oppose either bill when it's in the house during and it really doesn't matter what order they put them up in the house.

If the Senate has not moved the reconciliation bill she could bring both bills down in the United States house. That is, I think it's because Harry would you talk about real infrastructure so a lot of agreement it's very bipartisan. Our country that yes this might be expensive, but it's worthwhile because it we do have roads, bridges, the weather, it's that you're the Internet whether it's I get. There's a lot that airports when it comes to transportation, though specifically the railroad to see that that the high-speed not be able to work because the railroads are too old and things like that that everyone would agree on this would bipartisan. It's a lot of money so you think the Democrats like that it would create potentially new jobs, new economic opportunities edit something a country are size likely has to do hopefully quicker so that things don't get to the level that they are. But then when you add on the politics of this it is what she is saying that bite is that if you don't give me the green new deal you'll kick you don't get to do roads absolutely so I think you hit on the key phrase real infrastructure and the key question is whether or not Democrats actually believe in real infrastructure.

My conclusion is they do not believe in real infrastructure. They see real interest infrastructure as an instrumental gold-medal enables them to reconstruct to reframe the entire country that indeed is their objective and so my hope, I hope it's not a drain line is that the Republicans can see through this particular strategy. The President has singled this signaled his support of this to track strategy but many Republicans still remain committed to supporting quote unquote real infrastructure, but they better be sure that that is precisely what they are getting otherwise, of the American people will eat an awful experience. A Chuck Schumer now because he AOC said to you if you don't do this before. This will kill it, but listen to him because he's not disagreed with her strategy because he needs to get 10 Republicans on board to get the that the real infrastructure done so, but that he is saying that right we do that I will use reconciliation was doesn't require me the 60 vote threshold to try and get that larger tube to it. Additional $2 trillion and and all the things that are much more partisan people are much more divided about tankless from the very beginning my stated goal for the July and August work. Has been that the Senate passed both a bipartisan infrastructure bill and a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions.

This is our so-called to track strategy both a bipartisan infrastructure bill and a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions sounds so blah West think about with infrastructure bill. They just feel a little bill reconciliation. We what we know is that they are trying to utilize that to put in their partisan wish list and it it will divide the country will also if the if the Republicans at this point go along with this with her being told. This is what we're going to do next. We won't need you then and you can protest all you want to you, it won't matter because you gave us the vehicle to get this done. That's what makes me nervous is not that I get why the Republicans on the surface would say support that that the one package because there's bipartisan support for that. I think most American supported. You gotta worry about what you're here. What procedure you're allowed to move forward if you okay that package you listen to what you're the opposing party is saying simply listen you listen to Chuck Schumer statement AOC statement. Even the present. You played a moment ago by Pres. Biden.

The statement there. That is an insult to the intelligence of the American people. It is not bipartisan if you say were going to pass and sound. The bipartisan, but only if we get our green new deal socialist wish list. That's not bipartisan at all. Much of this bill is not about infrastructure but none of it. Jordan to any thinking American is bipartisan at best. If the if the Republicans in the Senate are nave enough to go along with it.

It is token bipartisanship, but is not really bipartisan at all they need to wake up like that. This is an is an insult to the average thinking American even understand how legislation passes it.

It's really really sad thing having something in the idea here. There was some bipartisan support. Early in this process to move forward in the Senate, specifically with the 900 billion or trillion dollar actual infrastructure legislation are are they are those senators now wising up to the fact that whatever they been told behind the seeds publicly and and I think believe Chuck Schumer believe AOC their decadent take those votes utilize the movie that Ford and then put in place their wish list without those without any input from the Republicans. I think they're seeing that Jordan.

I hope they will.

I mean, look, I don't think there's any other way you can translate leader Schumer's comments. Other than that I am willing to sacrifice the infrastructure bill in order to know pander to those calling for the reconciliation bill because Jernigan a tie the two together. Both of them are gonna fail. That's just the reality of it. But to answer your question about whether or not Republicans are to see through this. I think that is happening right now because what happened is this 2700 page bill got unveiled and they literally started going through it as it was on the Senate floor and they were trying to amended your and they continue to find things of just about every 10 or 15 minutes.

I see another provision that really should not have been in there that that the senators who agreed to the framework probably did not realize was in there and an amendment gets filed and offered to either strip out that provision or to amended during their almost 300 amendments filed on the floor. The United States Senate right now so I think some of that waking up is literally happening as we talk. It's expected that the debates can ago probably all the way through Saturday.

Maybe even beyond that and I think what we'll find out tell you this sojourn and there is still far enough senators on the Republican side that want to do a true bipartisan infrastructure deal. I just don't think that option has been afforded them by leader Schumer sitter Haggerty is good for Darcy to see I think is 10 senators if it was a real bipartisan bill he would be there for what's to be at the table is economic sky business guys, this is what he does. He was the head of economic development for a state that is doing very well economically into the sink tankless to him. This is the transformational component of what Joe Biden's promise to America will be a transformation into socialism and everything that we've heard that going to this $3.5 trillion bill and I think that's the low number of a lot of what I've heard is the way things budget gimmicks are in Washington is actually much higher number could be north of trillion dollars you add that to the 1.9 trillion. It was passed in March added to the 550 that'll come through in the bipartisan infrastructure package were talking 3 to 4 times the size of the GDP. On a normal here they're talking about stimulating the economy with the massively inflationary again this is this is coming from sitter as I does a good friend of ours. It would be there for bipartisan to get the infrastructure to the American people that no one is really opposed to that. It is the other $3 trillion that will easily get through if the senators don't remain. I get very weary very careful of any deals with that party.

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