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We are first addressing the election coming out of Wisconsin last night. Very, very tight election. Not expected as the frontrunner really went down and by still a very, very slim margin. But you have a Democrat Socialist candidate who was supposed to be by a pretty large percentage taking this one easily. David Crowley, though, pulls off the upset.

Again, not necessarily a centrist Democrat, but a more Democrat Democrat. I saw even some of my more leftist friends saying, thank God that David Crowley pulled this off. Maybe just the fact that they don't want every Democrat socialist candidate to start reshaping their party.

So I guess in some ways you can look at this as a win, but it also shows how close and close can be, even in a state like Wisconsin. And what we're talking about in Wisconsin, we're talking about the Midwest.

So we're talking about getting into the center of the country. It's one thing when you have coastal elites in New York and California and kind of the Northeast. Where the Bernie Sanders and the AOCs originate, kind of out of, and the DSA. But when you start going into Midwestern states like Wisconsin, yes, the Democrats have been popular there for a long time. It's a labor state, but Republicans have shown time and time again that we can win there.

Now what's interesting is Is that still an option for us statewide if A communist. Can get so close to winning because I think that's what AOC and everyone's actually concerned about with this DSA label. The DSA label is just soft communism. It's because in America, if you walk down saying we're pro-communist, then you can't still be partnered with the Democrat Party. This is like the, well, we're the leftist, more social welfare of the party.

And what we're seeing then is it moving across the country.

So a point for That's what he'd win in a Democrat primary with someone who is highly qualified, and Democrats get breathing a sign of relief that they possibly can maintain control of the governorship there. But the fact I looked at it, what I look at is, you know, I don't judge their failure by one election cycle. The fact that they are even playing this close in Wisconsin, I will add the other part that is very strange, Will, the polling was so awesome.

So, were they basically, how were they only polling her supporters and not polling any of his? Her polls were single-digit digital digits.

Well, here's what you look at, though. The last five Wisconsin governor Democrat primary polls had her up 22 points, 18 points, 25 points, 29 points, and 20 points. I mean, that is you're relaxing going into this election. Right. That's in the Marquette University poll, it had her up 25 points, the second most.

That is actually one of the best, most reputable polls in the state and used in Presidential. Elections as well. It's not like there's some Democrat shop that you go to for polling.

Something happened at the last minute that would have shifted this so significantly. No, I feel like all of the news was already baked into these. All of the negative stuff, all of the, oh, she doesn't like Thanksgiving. Oh, she doesn't like that. If anything, she started to moderate some of her positions in the language of the rhetoric she used in the final days.

One, I think it shows you that polling, once again, completely broken in this country. But two, it makes you wonder about the apparatus within the state, the Democrat apparatus, and how they were able to turn out, even though the opinion poll said they liked one candidate, they were still able to turn out people at the end of the day for crawling. Let's throw the. Paul's out for a second. This is how close it was.

39.8% for Crowley. 39.4%. for home. You are talking about a swing of 0.4% that decided this election. If you ever thought you're letting your vote, one vote doesn't count, look at a state like Wisconsin.

We'll be back in just a minute. I do want to take calls from you. 1-800-684-3110. Is this a good sign that they can be defeated or is it a bad sign that it can get this close? Because you cannot be closer.

As we're looking into it, I don't think there's a call for a recount, but goodness, that's about as close as you can get. And she has conceded even last night.

So I don't think she's looking at spending the money to try and get a recount. Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-684-3110. We're also going to continue on with Know Your Rights Week. We got a special video presentation coming up in a couple segments that you're not going to want to miss.

Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110 to be on the air today. Let's go ahead actually and take one of these calls off the bat. Let's go to Jeff, who's calling in North Carolina, got some comments.

Go ahead. Hey guys. Um Probably too early to open up the conspiracy box, but With the way the polling was in this situation, Is it possible that they knew they were going to have a problem if Miss Hung won this?

So they Somehow I just found Just enough votes to get this done.

Well, of course, it does play out in a pretty. Hilariously, uh, you know. Relatable way, I guess you could say, that they've had because we went to bed last night, as a lot of people did. Will and I were texting, going, Oh man, this is one percent, under a percent. We were discussing it back and forth.

I felt I forgot until I got into the studio to even look and then was told that she had lost. Um, yeah, I mean, I don't want to say it's conspiratorial, but at least you could say it feels like a similar playbook.

Well, and once again, I think we should play this. This is from NBC News last night during the election coverage because uh, Steve Cornaki, who's kind of the data guy on NBC News. I know many of you probably don't watch the election coverage on NBC News, but local, but he's he's well known, he's he's he's got a good personality for it. Uh, but here's one of the reporters who was looking at the data, and they happen to have five missing USB sticks from Milwaukee that had the wrong data on it was just human error. But let's play this because it definitely opens up the door for people to be like, Wait a second, again in the Midwest with the with the all of a sudden.

Getting the ballots at the last hour. Let's play it. I guess the exact thing, yes, is if five of the USB sticks were missing results from the election, so then they have to go try to re-grab them. Yeah. Um Yeah, and they're uh All the folks behind the scenes are talking about this as well.

We can also Look, it's unfortunate. The folks behind the scenes hear what you're saying. Yes. How do I ask this artfully? The most painful.

Oh my gosh. Minute, 40 seconds on air. Because he's like, he can't say, stop the steal, right? Like, he can't use those words, but that's what it feels like. It's like, oh, okay.

So, in this race that wasn't supposed to be close, that all of a sudden is super close.

Now, are you going to have people in the DSA that are saying, you know, this election is stolen? Like, the irony is there. You can tell Steve Karnaki is like on the cusp of wanting to ask the question. And the poor data guy is sitting there going, It's unfortunate. Yeah, we're all talking about it behind the scenes that, oh, whoops, five USB had 15,000 votes on them, I believe was the number.

There was a press conference. Should we play this? This is a press event from this is from the Democrat Socialists of Wisconsin. Yes. They addressed it.

Let's hear what they had to say. Bye, Date. What we uncovered was that five of the sticks had the audit log downloaded and not the results. It's a human error. These things can happen.

So basically what we need to do is go back to the operations center and we're going to download. Out of those five machines, the results, and make sure that's not the audit log.

So we have the reports printed from the first download. We're going to reprint and start the process so that we can compare those results. We invite you to come join us. Moakie Peace Department will come with us too. And so we'll re-download those results and then send them back here to be uploaded.

So once again, even that saying, you know, it's human error that these things can happen coming from an official that's able to talk about this was briefing the DSA members there in Wisconsin. And I think, one, of course, like if five USB sticks had, if this human error had happened, then, and it was the 25 points blowout that they were predicting in the polls, no one would be questioning it. You never want to see this happen, even if it's a candidate you don't like who maybe is the one that's on the receiving end of this controversy, because it, again, uproots the foundation of our election integrity. And that becomes an issue whether that's Republicans or Democrats. If both start playing by rules that get a little blurry, it.

Underrules the entire system.

Well, in Jordan, two things here in 2026. You five USB sticks that are even rolling around. Like, what are we doing here? We are undermining people's faith in our electoral process, and that's exactly what they want to do: criticize us whenever we question it, by the way. Which is just we're just questioning basic tech here.

Our voting should be the highest level of security, it should have the best technology. And if we have to, we should have the best people running the systems instead of 75-year-old volunteers. God bless those volunteers for doing it because no one they have to volunteer and do it for free most of the time. But they're trying to run a computer system that then runs into another system that runs into another card system and then print it out and run it into another system. We voted last week.

Our primary. And though I feel very confident there are people I voted for, yeah, I voted on day one, I voted on election day. And there is that moment every time where you're like, I hope this is all doesn't feel right.

Well, then you realize that they're all in a USB sticks. That's how it's working. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's not really how life works much anymore. It's like from espionage movies of the 1990s.

Well, and on top of that, I think that goes to show what we fight here at the ACLJ when we talk about we're trying to get the voter rolls, make sure they're clean and accurate in California, in places like Maryland, where we're actually moving forward, trying to get data from the states and out in California. Remember that response we got from the Secretary of State's office of we can't give you the data on all the times we've removed someone that's a non-citizen because we don't track that.

So even that fact, even if they are doing what they're supposed to do, it's things like that that give you pause and you sit there and you go, okay, wait a second. California's saying they don't track when they remove non-citizens from their roles in Wisconsin. Wait a second. Five USB sticks happened to not have the data on it, and then they had to go back and get it. And then you have to make sure it's all that.

It's all of these things that when people talk about things like the Save Act, when they talk about things like cleaning up voter rolls, it's this: it's that the American people just want to have faith in their vote. You don't even have to think, you don't want to have to think about it. Right. And that's what we're seeing here in real time: another event that a close election should just be that. It should just be that was a close election, and the two candidates ran hard, but one ended up winning and one didn't.

Instead, Whenever there's a close election, and sometimes when it's not even a close election, you start to look at it and you're like, hmm. There's a lot of anomalies going on here. And that's what fuels, as our caller said, is it too early to bring up the conspiracies? It's not like this candidate. Is who the vast majority of America would prefer to be the governor of Wisconsin.

Governors have a lot of power. But you start to look at this and you realize: okay, there are pieces in place for her not to win. Bernie Sanders did not endorse her. AOC did not endorse her.

So maybe she was too far left. You mentioned you saw leftists that you know that are like, I don't know if I want to categorize them as leftists, but more liberal voters that are saying, hey, we're glad this person didn't win. Yeah, they were scared of them.

So you can see why the polls could have been wrong. And maybe they were just hyper-polling in Madison, one of the most liberal cities in America. And that could be the answer. That the polls just don't do the right thing. But now you have this layer of uncertainty because they couldn't get it right in a primary for governor in Wisconsin.

And I think that's one reason why we can't stop our job at the ACLJ of ensuring the integrity of elections, but that why this issue won't go away for people either. Because these things keep happening. Yeah, it keeps undermining all of everyone's beliefs in how this all works. And look, like even here in Tennessee, they had like a new setup now. We're back to like the old curtains.

I noticed, but the curtains are not tall enough. I could see everyone voting. It was very strange. The whole thing was weird. I'm like, if you're over six feet tall, I could see everything going on.

I couldn't see screens. Where you have to verbally say in front of everyone. Are you give you a point option this year? You could point. I wasn't addressed that, but my wife was.

She was pointing. You just point COVID. You could just point. But I did, again, all those little things that you're like, this is so strange. That being said, hey, phone lines are open.

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It speaks for itself.

So here you go. Here's Will. You'll get fired for that Bible. All right, let's clear something up because I hear this one a lot. If you open your Bible at work, you're gonna get fired.

Wrong, dead wrong. Here's the myth: a government employee opens a Bible at their desk, holds a lunchtime Bible study in a conference room, and somebody in the office goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa! Can't do that. Separation of church and state.

Sounds official.

Sounds like it should be true. It's not what the Founder said. It's not what the Constitution says. And it's definitely not what the Supreme Court has said. Here's the actual truth.

The First Amendment's got two parts when it comes to religion, and people love to only remember one of them: Part 1. The Establishment Clause: The government can't set up an official religion, and they can't force one on you. That's fine. Part 2. the one everyone forgets, the free exercise clause.

The government also can't stop you from practicing your religion. Also fine. These two aren't fighting each other. They're on the same team. And religious speech?

Same constitutional protection as any other speech. The Supreme Court has said it more than once. Exhibit A. Coach Kennedy. High school football coach.

After every game, he'd walk out to the 50-yard line, kneel down, and pray by himself. Quiet. Personal, nobody's arms being twisted. The school district looks at this and says, that's an establishment clause problem, and disciplines him. The ACLJ files an amicus brief at the Supreme Court and makes the case that the Establishment Clause was never supposed to be used as a weapon against religious liberty.

It was supposed to protect it. The Supreme Court agrees. It rules in his favor. He wasn't speaking for the school. He was a guy on his own time doing his own thing, same as any coach chatting on a cell phone or checking a text after the final whistle.

Translation. Your job doesn't get to silence your personal life just because your personal life happens to involve God.

Now, the Bible study. Same logic. Different room. If co-workers can spend their lunch break talking fantasy football, reading a paperback, a voluntary Bible study during that same lunch break gets the same green light. Nobody's forced to attend.

Nobody's work is interrupted. It's personal time. It's a personal choice. End of story. Myth number two.

And I enjoy debunking this one: that the establishment clause means government buildings have to be scrubbed clean of anything religious. Like faith has to check itself at the metal detector. Not true, it never was. And the First Amendment calls for an accommodation, not an exile. In fact, the federal government has actual written guidelines on this.

They say employees get to engage in religious conversation and activity to the same degree they're allowed to engage in. Non-religious conversation and activity. That's according to the government's own rule book. You can't single out and shut it down just because it's religious.

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The second coercion enters the picture, the protection's gone. This only works if it's genuinely. Completely Voluntary. Bottom line. Personal time, no pressure, no coercion.

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Do we have time to take one of these calls? Yeah. Let's go for it. Let's go, Judy. Judy, Judy, Judy in South Carolina.

You are on the air. Hi. My question is: Has anyone discussed how, if one of these Self-processed communists. Does he get elected, they're going to swear on the Bible to uphold the Constitution. Yeah, well, Judy, some have.

I mean, look, you have the mayor of New York City who, again, not a communist. They don't say they hate when you say it. Yeah, they're not self-described communists. Yes, they're self-described. They're not self-described socialists that don't believe in private property rights.

They don't believe in the Democratic Republic of the United States. They don't believe in prisons. Yeah, they are communists. They probably want prisons for their political enemies. The Sinos with a socialist name of them.

Sinos? Yes, that's a new thing. I like that. It just means communist. Here's the thing.

I think there's a lot of people who have sworn an oath to the Constitution in this country who haven't actually worked to uphold that over the years. And yes, I don't think anyone's going to actually be able to get them removed from office for their failing to uphold the oath.

Well, if they're legal, if people are voting for them. I'm sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles, if you will. Like, that is where we live in the society, where if you do get. Elected? You know what?

They got legally elected. That's just where we are. We got to just fight back in terms of the way their media presentation gets out there. We got to fight back against their social media influence. Those are the things that are driving.

And look, it even has to do with personalities. It has to do with people who are able to speak on camera well, they're able to communicate and discuss. Because a lot of these people are great communicators. I think when we really break it down, they're incredible communicators, even if you disagree with what they have to say. We have to at least be honest.

We have to be honest when they do have things that maybe our candidates or maybe the more moderate candidates. Look who happened in New York City.

Okay. Why? Because you had... Older Cuomo. And then you had a young upstart who is incredible on camera and is great at social media.

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Mike Pompeo is going to be joining us in the next segment. I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110. The lead topic of the day. we are going to talk about once again, which is The Wisconsin Democrat primary, which not only was polled incredibly incorrectly, you had one of the tightest primary elections that maybe I've ever seen, with a result ending in 39.8% of the Democrat vote going to Crowley, with 39.5%. Four percent.

going for Hong, who again was supposed to take it in some polls by 10, 15, 20 points and only lost lost by under a point, by 0.4% of the vote. Again, not exactly a landslide victory here, but A clear sign, I think it's okay to say a clear sign that the fight against the Democrat Socialists overtaking the Democratic Party, specifically as Jordan said, in the Midwest or in states like Pennsylvania and other places, you may have these big pushback moments, even if they're by 0.4%.

Well, here's one thing I do want to caution, though, on Logan: is that while that is easy to say, and to some degree, the establishment within the state of Wisconsin was able to achieve victory over Francesca Hong. But remember this. She was not Endorsed by the all-stars of the DSA. Bernie Sanders was specifically asked, why haven't you endorsed her when she was rising in the polls? And he said, I've met her.

She's a very nice lady. I just haven't looked too much at the race. They knew what they were dealing with. Exactly.

So while it's easy to also say for the Democrat establishment, look, we're not going fully leftist. We're not going fully socialist. In reality, the policies, even that Crawley has here in the party, are so much further left than as we talk about the Clinton, the Obama-style Democrat. That in reality, the party is still shifting far left, and they are going to try and use this as a look we still are in control. Last night you saw in congressional races and things, things that weren't as talked about, the far left DSA-style candidates beat the primary, some cases, primaried and incumbent, and won, as we've seen across the country.

So, I don't think it's enough to say, look, this was the firewall. This was the end. I think people should be very careful, actually, about that thinking. In fact, I think what we're saying is how the socialist, who I really call the communists, I think they use that term democratic. There's nothing democratic about socialism or the way they want to actually change our system because they want to fundamentally change the American system.

They believe it's failed and wrong and evil. And so to do that, you have to break down the systems. And we're not talking about reforming the systems like conservatives like to talk about. We're talking about a complete different government, kind of government in the United States. You know, tax the rich and kill the wealthy, all those kinds of statements.

But they are moving into the heartland of America and losing by 0.3 points. to run the whole state. Uh, people who no one had ever really heard of a year ago, and did they get a ton of backing? Not really nationally from even other DSA members, and yet they still were within a handful of votes. I mean, a few thousand votes of becoming the next governor there.

And so, if you start seeing that ideology push, it doesn't a loss doesn't always mean it's over. First time you go in, it's kind of a new movement, just getting close, just getting recognized is good enough. They're not just barely getting into second place, they're now sometimes underperforming by not winning. They've already gone from a kind of out of touch, Bernie Sanders was it, maybe AOC, to a party now that's got the mayor of New York that has got other leaders in both the House and the Senate agreeing with them. And the fact that they lost one race, but they're winning others, taking out incumbents, this is a movement that is close to, it's not yet, but it's close to making it difficult to see where is the difference.

Yeah. Where is the line between DSA and Democrat? And why does the Democrat Party allow DSA members to run in Democrat Party elections? And seem to get fully behind them for the most part. Then change your party name.

Tell us the truth about who you really are. Yeah, exactly. Phone lines are open. I want to hear from you 1-800-684-30110. We got some good calls coming in already, but we will take more.

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Go to ACLJ.org, have your gift double. Welcome back to Sekulow. Move the topics a little bit for just a moment here. Look, we are in the middle of our impact match, and it is also the middle of Know Your Rights Week.

So, I want you to support the work of the ACLJ right now before we get going. You know, the gifts are doubled right now. Great ACLJ members and champions ready to unlock a pledge. Any donation made right now, effectively doubled at ACLJ.org. Secretary Pompeo is joining us now, Will, and I know we want to move a little bit off of the current conversation we've been having about what's going on with the DSA and what's happening in Wisconsin to some other news.

This is one of those where we didn't plan it because the Secretary was already scheduled to be on today. But when this story comes out and it just happens to line up, it's perfect timing because yesterday, the White House Government Transparency Task Force declassified some documents, and reporting about these documents is now out from Justin News. Our friend John Salvador.

Solomon, Catherine Herridge also has this: that among these declassified documents, It shows that the FBI during the 2020 election cycle was running a counterintelligence operation called Round River. And during this, they were looking at, even though they had informants about potential Biden corruption with links to Ukraine, among other things. They the FBI decided to name many prominent Republicans. as conduits for Russian propaganda. During the 2020 election cycle.

And one of those individuals happened to be. The Secretary of State at the time And our guest today. Uh Secretary Mike Pompeo, what's your initial reaction to the fact that the FBI, at the same time you were Secretary of State, was concerned that you were which is laughable, a conduit for Russian propaganda? You know, my first reaction was just stunned, right? Just out of nowhere.

Had no idea, had never heard of Round River. I was unaware that there was any counterintelligence investigation taking place inside the FBI at that point in time at the tail end of the administration. And so when I saw my name, and frankly, the list of the other names too, that just your point is laughable. Boy, it is so troubling to see that the FBI was doing this during President Trump's time after we'd had, you know, we'd been fought through four years. years of the Russia hoax in every newspaper in America.

And so to see this coming from inside the government during President Trump's first administration was a big surprise to me and frankly, pretty depressing.

Well, and once again, this propaganda that the FBI was so intent on quashing was related to alleged corruption between the Biden family and contacts and businesses within Ukraine. We also saw this week that Hunter Biden very publicly proclaimed on a podcast that the laptop story in 2024 was Israel's fault.

So why does it always seem that with the Biden family It's never them. It's always the left's boogeymen, either Israel now or Russia then, and they never can take responsibility for the things that they were doing themselves. You know, it's so true. It's true across the board, whether it's this incidence with Hunter Biden's laptop or all of the failures of the Biden administration. They've always got someone else to blame.

They never take responsibility. I'm happy to take responsibility for things that we didn't get quite right. But to see this, to them, to foist it on Israel, right? We all know the story. We all know where that comes from.

Is just insanity. And to see the administration, the FBI, investigating senior U.S. officials who were then in office in the Trump administration for something that they surely knew wasn't true. It's just, I think it's indicative of moral failure as much as anything else.

Well, and I think it goes back to the timing of Round River, as they call it, which one of our producers keeps saying, isn't that just a pond? A Round River? Where does the FBI come up with these names? But it was late in the Trump administration, the first term. Once again, even they had their own boss at the time because the Attorney General was listed as a potential conduit.

I'm curious if they notified him that he was potentially a conduit for Russian propaganda. But I think this warning of it almost has become cliché to talk about the deep state. But we know both you have talked about many times of the pushback you received at state, at CIA, at these agencies where. The truth and intelligence should not be weaponized. It should not be politicized.

But even late in the first term, They were still using it. In an election cycle for political purposes. And I know that we'll never completely purge our intelligence and foreign service of political bias, but one, just in your opinion, have we made progress against what we call the deep state in pushing back against this kind of politicization? Or is it a lost cause? It's not a lost cause.

I think we've made progress, but there is a lot of work to do. Look, we saw it directly in the Hunter Biden story, right? We had a bunch of former intelligence officials try to obfuscate what was really taking place here, right? We all saw that. That's abhorrent what they did.

They tried to change the outcome of an American election, those former officials. And I saw this during my time too. It was less blatant inside, but they were not advocating the policies that President Trump and I were trying to effectuate, to try to deliver. And this is just another example. It will be interesting to see what the other officials who are named there, Attorney General Barr and others, who are like, we're well known.

Everybody knows exactly what I think about Vladimir Putin and Russia and the conflict where he has killed so many Ukrainians. And for them to say, we're going to open up a counterintelligence investigation, identifying Mike Pompeo as a potential conduit for Russian propaganda is so disturbing and so inane. At one point, I want to laugh because it's so silly. Another point, it just makes me just angry. that my own government would have done this working against the very administration that was trying to just get the truth out about how to deliver deterrence against Vladimir Putin.

I mean, Secretary Pompeo, I mean, you've been on here how many times over the years and honestly taking heat for it for being so against Putin and being so pro-Ukraine to the point where, you know, I see comments coming in. I go, you know, you stuck to your guns. Oh, I know what you believe. And at least that to me is important. The fact that this is happening, like you said, it's sort of laughable, but it's really just sad.

There's also what it is. It's showing proof that what a lot of people, and look, we're dealing with this a lot in the news right now, what a lot of people speculated and a lot of people were claimed and labeled as conspiracy theorists that this stuff is happening.

Now we're just getting the information that it really was happening in a way. And of course it was happening to people, even like you, who again are people that come on here, take a lot for your positions, even when they're not the popular one amongst whatever you'd consider maybe the social media right.

So it's wild that this is. where we'd end up. It truly is. You said it best. It is both laughable and sad and disturbing.

So disturbing, right, that this false narrative, which is very clearly aimed at trying to get at an election outcome, right? They literally have a theory of the case during the 2020 election cycle that says Donald Trump is a Russian asset and we are advocating inside this administration for a political outcome when we should never do that in government. Our job is to execute on behalf of the American people. You can see it gets me angry. I'm pretty fired up.

But it breaks my heart that to the earlier question, we have not eliminated that from our government today and there is still a lot of work to do.

Well, and I guess just for our audience to clear this up, we want to make sure it's well known because, I mean, they've heard you, as Logan mentioned. And I think we were talking about we could probably put up a week's worth of broadcast of just segments with the Secretary that are the furthest thing from pro-Russia propaganda. But just to clear the air. You aren't a conduit for Russian propaganda, right? No, sir.

I'm not. We appreciate you. We're shocked. Thank you, Secretary Papaya. We appreciate you joining us.

As always, look, I think these stories come up. It's wild to hear what's really happening. I do want to at least set up where we're going to be going in the next segment because I want you to call in. There's a good call coming in from Josh, and we'll take him.

Well, We've got two minutes. Let's take him actually, Josh in Colorado. And hopefully, this inspires you to call in as well. Josh, go ahead with your comment. Josh, maybe put him on hold, because I think, but he's not used to me taking calls during Secretary Pompeo's segment.

But what he was saying, see if he's still there. If he's not, it's okay. Saying, you know, essentially, is the Republican Party. Focused on the right things. Are we moving forward in the right direction?

Are we getting distracted by things like the DSA? Are we getting distracted by the deep state kind of conversations? That's something we can have that debate over. We can have that discussion over. Doesn't mean that that's true, but what do you think?

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Let's go to Marion, who's an ACLJ champion. Longtime caller, go ahead. Yes, I just wanted to comment on about the deal about it's laughable some of the accusations that are being made by the left. And the comment was made, but it's sad and it can anger people. I'd like to change that second word to laughable but dangerous, because if enough people start believing all of their lies and things, initially they could destroy our nation if we don't get out and vote.

And no matter what people they might perpetrate on us, we need to always vote because that's right now the main Object that we have to fight it. And also, I want people to listen to the ACLJ station because they tell the truth.

Sometimes we don't know what the truth is. And that's why I try to listen to it all the time because you all tell the truth. You might not agree with everything that I say, but anyway, so that's what I wanted to do. Thank you for coming, Marion, as always. And we appreciate you being an ACLJ champion.

But I think you're spot on when it says it's laughable but dangerous. It's laughable because it does seem so far outside of the American framework, but it's dangerous because it is so far outside the American framework. When you look at what they want to do as a party platform, and you already see people like AOC, we talked about this earlier in the week, saying, oh, I'm a member of my local DSA chapter, not the national party, trying to differentiate herself. Why? So she can run for President.

Do her ideas really differ? No, they don't. What does the DSA platform want? It wants to abolish the Senate. It wants to make the courts.

and the Presidency a vessel of the legislature, of the House. They want to make it not just a parliamentary system, but also the courts to be a part of that as well. Where do you have that? You have that in The actual authoritarian dictatorships. where they are controlled by a small group of people, both the courts and the legislative and the executive function of the country.

And so it's not just a simple of they have different policy views on welfare, on health care, on social security. It's not a policy debate here. It's a fundamental foundational debate here. And so you're spot on when you say it's dangerous because it really is something that every Democrat should be frustrated that that's what their party is flirting with. Yeah, they're flirting with it, I mean, pretty aggressively when you're, again, Praying that your more mainstream candidates have a chance that they didn't have a chance in Michigan, they did last night in Wisconsin.

So, I mean, like, you know, you may win one statewide, you lose another. Five, six years ago, neither one of those candidates would have had a chance based off what they had said about just people in general. But as Will's pointing out, this is not we need more money in welfare programs, or we don't like voter ID, or we don't like that's the normal, or maybe even less money to Israel. This is, we want to take down the system of government of the United States. We fundamentally believe it's wrong and rebuild it and have this system that doesn't really have a President who can be in charge of the military because that will really be controlled by the legislature and the Politburo.

And so you fall out line, and when you fall outside of that, you no longer have the power. When you're the companies that are trying to get the businesses with that, you've got to be in with the party in charge. And we have seen this happen in countries around the world, usually at times of great economic peril.

Now, I don't think we're at a time of great economic peril. I know people are hurting and they rate the economy as not so great right now, but that. That's exactly when these kinds of ideas start floating to the top, especially in a nation that, while we celebrated 250 years, the rest of the world looks at and says, Yeah, I mean, that's great for what you've done, and you are the kind of place that everyone is emulating for now. But in 50 years from now, are we going to still be saying that? Yeah, I want to go ahead and take another call.

Let's go to Michael in Florida. Similar, Michael, go ahead. Gentlemen, I I just kind of question. why we don't hear more of the conservative narrative. On issues and things like that.

It just seems to me like the loudest voice, and I don't know if this is the media's fault. Or not? But It just seems like the loudest voice we hear is what's going on with the left and the Democratic socialists.

So why? There's a scene quiet. From The conservatives. Michael, I think partially it's because you see the surge of the DSA. We are headed into a midterm.

They are the party that is challenging the majority. I think the other side of that is that in Congress, as much as Mike Johnson has pushed a lot of these policies forward, It is so fractured in the House when it comes to people. You saw the Marjorie Taylor Greens and those that completely wanted to stall the conservative agenda. And then you had the Thomas Masseys and all of these other priorities that they decided to bring in. And what did it do?

It really caused the majority party not to be able to do anything positive or to get on message and really define what it means to be a conservative or to be an elected Republican.

So I think it's partially leadership within the House can only do so much to some degree. And it's the fact that it is a fractured party in many ways. Yeah, well, go ahead. Thank you, Michael, for calling. Take at least one more call.

Kathy is calling in Kentucky, line two with an issue I think a lot of people are starting to see. Go ahead. Thank you. I am concerned that we have we have a past now, a recent past. with an administration that was allowed pretty much carte blanch what they wanted to do.

And communism has such a hold in our country now that these unprecedented moves that we are now Republicans are now finding out and putting out there that has happened. I'm concerned that because of as quickly as communism moves, we may not have the chance to have a free and fair election without constitutionally allowed means. Kathy, I think one of the big concerns you have is when any kind of political movement happens is you're either going to have these big sweeping successes or you're going to see people have to live through the consequences of it. And the problem is when you have these big Movements. Look, you can see what happened with the Tea Party eventually kind of became MAGA, and we had this Republicans had to go through a massive change.

Is you see the good and bad that can come from that kind of swing. And sometimes you got to learn the hard way if this is what happens. And it's hard to stop political movements that are like what's happening with the Democrat Socialists because the establishment comes off, frankly, not cool. It can be a multi-year process. It was for the Tea Party, but see where it got to.

It got to where, I mean, really what you saw is a Republican Party and people being elected in the Republican Party that actually stood by what the Republican Party's platform said.

So we got rid of a lot of kind of blah moderates. We weren't trying to override what the Republican Party stood for. We were trying to actually get people in office who fought harder for what the Republican Party says it stood for. This is different. This is different.

This is the takeover of a major party by an entirely separate political movement that may have some parts within the bigger Democrat Party. But I mean, again, the bigger Democrat Party, you don't hear about abolishing the U.S. Senate, taking commander-in-chief power away from the President. Of course, sometimes they want to question, should the War Powers Act be used? Does a resolution necessary here?

That's the congressional. But they do appreciate both sides of the aisle, the separation of powers, our election system. That means you can quickly change policies. If the American people decide that the direction of the country is wrong, you can quickly change it with the system we have in place now. Yep, that's going to do it for today.

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